#pvp | Azur Lane Official | Page 166

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Sendai nagato aurora

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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gib sendai already

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worryReach

wise summit Jan 23, 2019, 2:08 AM

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pre-amagi foxes could still lose to counter-built WASD

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with amagi this is no longer the case

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at least I've not met a fleet outside bad RNG mirror where I could lose

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 2:09 AM

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The try hards are in the other channel GWahreeSure

hollow fractal Jan 23, 2019, 2:09 AM

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i still like wasd, sodak being temporarily invincible gives more time to pause and exit if stuff goes wrong, while with foxes, things happen so quickly i lost a pvp once since i didn't exit in time lol

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 2:09 AM

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3:3 with wasd/e juneau belfast fortune against jay9 so far

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ill keep fighting to add to that

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50/50 isnt pretty though so far

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he is memeing with the gold ap bb gun though

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Put bel in front

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 2:10 AM

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she os

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is*

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 2:11 AM

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380mm riandaXD

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 2:11 AM

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on mobile atm just wanted to type

zenith tundra Jan 23, 2019, 2:11 AM

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juneau leading are terrible she dies by amagi barrage

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 2:11 AM

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bel is front

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dont worry lol

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Try bulge box on Juneau

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Bulge pearl bel

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Fortune double box

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Remove beaver

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Double sg sodak washi

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Sg fcr amagi

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 2:12 AM

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oh, i was testing e

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for old style

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oh, battery dying, ill try that when i get home xD

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lytTHUMBSUP

lofty smelt Jan 23, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Oh boy. Someone just rushed to 4th from my pool so early after reset. Extra 5 points, and now potential for more. mutsukiStare

stoic vector Jan 23, 2019, 2:33 AM

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I still don't have aurora, is she really that good in pvp?

hot creek Jan 23, 2019, 2:36 AM

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for IJN/Fox comps, yeah

zenith tundra Jan 23, 2019, 2:39 AM

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to put it simple before aurora foxed dealt like no damage on belfast comps now u can easily kill some vanguards by their airstrike with torp vanguard too

quaint ferry Jan 23, 2019, 4:14 AM

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got to top 170 with a meme fleet entyLUL

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I need to finish perfecting Enterprise so it can feel less of a meme mutsukiStare

desert sapphire Jan 23, 2019, 4:17 AM

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if I had to choose between Aurora or Belfast for pvp, which should I use? (en btw)

quaint ferry Jan 23, 2019, 4:18 AM

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Aurora if IJN/Fox fleet

desert sapphire Jan 23, 2019, 4:18 AM

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I see

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Yeah that’s the fleet I’ve been building

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with Amagi

quaint ferry Jan 23, 2019, 4:19 AM

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There's a fleet I've been seeing often
Amagi, Kaga, Akagi / Ayanami, Aurora, Jintsuu

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Seems to be the new standard

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:19 AM

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it's pretty tough

desert sapphire Jan 23, 2019, 4:19 AM

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just need to get jintsuu

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:19 AM

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oh god i just lost fortune instantly lol

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rng

desert sapphire Jan 23, 2019, 4:20 AM

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didn’t the foxes used to be standard earlier in the game as well?

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:21 AM

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wasd/e was better than hood/akaga i think

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i also had a lot more wiggle room for vanguard

quaint ferry Jan 23, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Wasd/e was a meme, an annoying one at that

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Specially if they use Juneau

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:21 AM

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like, my minn/aurora/X was outgunning

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a lot of the fights

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but since amagi contributes to early strike damage

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minn/aurora/x doesnt have time to win the fight against opposing vanguards

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so before while suicide comp was pretty destructive

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i could make it to their side

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but amagi akaga basically destroys that strat completely

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especially with suicide

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there's just not enough time

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it'd be pretty easy probably with mirror suicide

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cause then you can force guns to target them

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but no jintsuu for that xD

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so far im like 6-6 on jay9 lol

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50:50 with traditional tank/defense wasde

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not great given attacker advantage

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yeah this is super volatile

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id say

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i have a feeling if he was using the 410 instead of the 380 it'd be worse for me

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xD

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but he's probably going for a barrage proc

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before smoke comes out

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to just win the fight

hybrid tendon Jan 23, 2019, 4:32 AM

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Aurora is squishy tho

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🤔

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Prone to die in first airstrike

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:32 AM

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that's in a mirror

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im trying wasd/e old tank style

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sometimes yeah, sodak focus assault nukes the entire vanguard

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but on the flip, sometimes torp squad nukes me too

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it's crazy rng

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like ive had fortune die to launch torps, rng happens xD

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(plus amagi barrage technically)

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xD

lone pendant Jan 23, 2019, 4:35 AM

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juneau smugBucky

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:37 AM

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yeah this matchup is a literal coin toss

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gross

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:38 AM

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probably

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the most difficult defense fleet to beat right now

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:39 AM

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it's easy if you mirror

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lol

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:39 AM

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is amakaga - jintsuu aurora juneau

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in my tests juneau ups the winrate of defense fleets by a huge margin

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:39 AM

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not surprising xD

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:39 AM

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and if it's ayanami she just get's destroyed

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:39 AM

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ayanami just forces more rng

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under 10 seconds

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:39 AM

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so it's key ships jintsuu + aurora

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with 1 flex

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atm possible flexes are ayanami, belfast, juneau

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with juneau being the better one for defense fleet

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:40 AM

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like, using ayanami is a gamble because she can proc supernatural or get lucky torp positioning

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juneau is just safe

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:40 AM

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yea i'm not a big fan of ayanami's inconsistency GWahreeSure

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:40 AM

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well, for defense

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you're there to force resets

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might as well rng all in

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ive had 1 round where wash died

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lol

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because of planes + torp rng

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im 9:10 atm, we 50/50 bois

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other times they miss torps and then lucky e destroys literally everything

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xD

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but without your own aurora it's very rng

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cause sometimes they choose not to die with unreduced evade

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xD

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plus battleship rng shooting randomly

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yeah, or sodak focused assaults someone after the first strike and then you win because she has deleted amagi

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so focused assault + lucky e insta death to their main fleet

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it's just a bunch of procs

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while amakagi is pretty consistent because none of them are % chance

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lol

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:44 AM

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consistency

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AnnaDrool

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yea that's why i always liked foxes

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wasd is strong but boring affff

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:44 AM

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it's not even that, if my rng is favorable, it's still not a smooth win

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it's like

lunar veldt Jan 23, 2019, 4:44 AM

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Too slow

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:44 AM

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barely a win

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lol

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that's the problem

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:44 AM

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wait u are running wasd vs amakaga right?

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:44 AM

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wasd/e old style

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so wasd/e/belf/juneau/fortune

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:45 AM

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o yea AwauuEyes

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:45 AM

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literally 50/50 matchup

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:45 AM

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i still have 3CV and my winrates against wasd and amakaga are insane

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wasd winrate is like 95%, amakaga winrate is like 60-70%

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amakaga is very strong

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:45 AM

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probably bestest with suicide/juneau like you said

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:45 AM

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stronger than i originally theorized

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:45 AM

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toppest tier

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xD

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:46 AM

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~~because it doesn't show in the skill description how fucking strong her barrage really is~~

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:46 AM

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im fairly certain jay9 is using the 380mm to put her earlier than the belfast smoke so barrage + strike = dead vanguard

halcyon hill Jan 23, 2019, 4:47 AM

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The only match i lost with Amakaga last season was against another Amakaga with 500 more power

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:47 AM

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i think if i had essex

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it wouldnt be too bad

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lol

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(for obvious reasons)

halcyon hill Jan 23, 2019, 4:47 AM

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I feel like the comp is way above 70% winrate

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:47 AM

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very questionable weapon choice but 100% worth testing

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:47 AM

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amakaga/suicide offense should be like

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:47 AM

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spicyoil

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:47 AM

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lots*

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i wouldnt do it on offense

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it's an rng strat

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:48 AM

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right now, even with 200 affection belfast

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:48 AM

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it definitely fires around 8-9

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:48 AM

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there's no place to put her in my fleet though

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Think

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with jintsuu + aurora, you either pick belfast or juneau as 3rd

halcyon hill Jan 23, 2019, 4:48 AM

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I'm running Ayaya with Belfast and Leander but wish i had Aurora and Jintsuu

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:49 AM

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i just want jintsuu for pve stuff, pvp maybe

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but i like gunner CAs

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:49 AM

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and based on my tests, juneau just has huge winrate potential on defense

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BuOeLLjXKP-OGhXlN8V5yT7_19tgmvzHKwSU7y2O_KM/edit

Google Docs

AzurLane - PVP Reset Testing in EN - Avrora

Azurlane PVP Reset Tests in EN Environment By sirrequiem This is a list of reset tests I’ve tracked against enemies that showed maxed (or similar to) fleets. The goal of reset testing is to eliminate RNG and coincidental victories to mine empirical evidence on optimal ship...

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:49 AM

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so not too intersted xD

wise summit Jan 23, 2019, 4:49 AM

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you can get in under Belfast smoke with 410mm on Amagi

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provided you have HPFCR and the skill procced

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:49 AM

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check the game against dracil (HMS)

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:49 AM

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yeah

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:49 AM

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i had like 40% winrate lol

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before i made the swaps

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:50 AM

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i think i could do some crazy stuff if ark royal had a 70% proc rate on 2x

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and just wipe out amagi or the bottom fox

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since she isnt any more durable than e

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against foxes lol

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:50 AM

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everyone loves ark royal

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GWahreeSure

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:51 AM

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if she could consistently get that 2x

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she'd be stronk

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but instead she's just rng memes

halcyon hill Jan 23, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Im also not sure why everyone praises wasd, i feel like its kind of overrated

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:51 AM

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wasd is the tortoise

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:51 AM

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eh well

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:51 AM

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to the hoodkaga's hare

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slow and steady

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:51 AM

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back in october 2018, wasd was indeed way overhyped

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like wasd would stomp everything else into the ground

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instead it was just great

halcyon hill Jan 23, 2019, 4:52 AM

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Well Amagi also was super overhyped tbh

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:52 AM

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"great"

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:52 AM

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id call it the ship version of sword and board dark souls

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:52 AM

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not "fucking overpowered" lol

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:52 AM

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while akaga is like full dex

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or something crazy

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xD

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:53 AM

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tho i'd say wasd did upturn the meta tho

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within 3 weeks of FW event everyone hopped off the twinfox train and onto the wasd

pearl nimbus Jan 23, 2019, 4:53 AM

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Ok, so based off of your testing, would you say Wasd is better than foxes at defence?

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:53 AM

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i believe amagi won't have the same effect

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a big amount of wasd players will probably remain wasd

halcyon hill Jan 23, 2019, 4:54 AM

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I dont think so but i made no testing whatsoever

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:54 AM

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and instead itemize their VG against fox comps

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@pearl nimbus ye

pearl nimbus Jan 23, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Aight

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:54 AM

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though with amakaga, it's hard to say

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:55 AM

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it isnt really amakaga

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so much as it is suicide + amakaga

pearl nimbus Jan 23, 2019, 4:55 AM

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So it's not pointless for me to train up a Wasd fleet even if I already have Amakaga

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:55 AM

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is an overwhelming amount of frontloaded damage

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:55 AM

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ofc not, wasd is always gonna be top tier

halcyon hill Jan 23, 2019, 4:55 AM

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An insane amount of damage upfront and always striking before defensive skills

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:55 AM

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like

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if you do tank vanguard amakaga

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it isnt anything special

pearl nimbus Jan 23, 2019, 4:55 AM

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I mean on attack I have yet to lose in general this season.

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:56 AM

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i can dps through that lol

pearl nimbus Jan 23, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Amakaga seems very strong

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Like I just nuke Wasd comps

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:56 AM

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well this season just started GWahreeVampySmug

pearl nimbus Jan 23, 2019, 4:56 AM

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not wrong

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:56 AM

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everyone still has meme fleets (like me)

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:56 AM

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jay9 doesnt lol

pearl nimbus Jan 23, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Nah I'm seeing a lot of Amakagas

halcyon hill Jan 23, 2019, 4:57 AM

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Funny how probably the tankiest comp can only barely survive the first air onslaught

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:57 AM

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and a level 104 guy

pearl nimbus Jan 23, 2019, 4:57 AM

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Almost every guy on the left either has Amakaga, Wasd or HMS

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I still don't know why people use HMS on defence besides not having another fleet.

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:57 AM

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it's probably that

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hms is cheap relatively

pearl nimbus Jan 23, 2019, 4:57 AM

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@halcyon hill ikr

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:58 AM

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hms is actually pretty strong AwauuEyes

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never discount hms fleets

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:58 AM

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hms vs amakaga suicide probably loses

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but i dunno

pearl nimbus Jan 23, 2019, 4:58 AM

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On defence I don't think it's that hot due to Warspite not being able to target a specific member.

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And Hood not being able to either

coral wren Jan 23, 2019, 4:58 AM

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what is a proper offensive amakaga fleet with vanguards?

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:59 AM

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jintsuu/aurora/X

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 4:59 AM

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Anything since offense has advantage :P

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:59 AM

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probably loses yea

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but

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keep in mind even in avrora i've never seen 1 maxed hms fleet

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AwauuEyes

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:59 AM

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true

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i just go by

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 4:59 AM

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but i've seen 2-3 maxed amakagas already

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 4:59 AM

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your damage is still later than theirs

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plus gun rng

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 4:59 AM

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I went poi/Aya/Jint and had zero trouble ever, in Avrora up to rank 1

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:00 AM

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maybe hms suicide lol

coral wren Jan 23, 2019, 5:00 AM

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I just maxed skills on jintsu and aya and auroras yellow skill

halcyon hill Jan 23, 2019, 5:00 AM

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HMS is pretty strong but idk, seems like it needs an HUGE investment to be competitive when you can just +10 a few planes and run for the top 10 with amakaga

coral wren Jan 23, 2019, 5:00 AM

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so I guess I should go with them

pearl nimbus Jan 23, 2019, 5:00 AM

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Still have yet to get Jiintsu and Aurora 😦

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:00 AM

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too bad jintsuu doesnt buff CA

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:00 AM

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dont remind me of that

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worryHands

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ibuki whyyy

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:00 AM

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hms could meme with suicide CA

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 5:00 AM

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according to recluse maxed HMS is 13k

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Seems about right, what with lower QE base stats

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:01 AM

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run dorsetshire for your suicide hms torp

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add the jintsuu crit to her crit

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xD

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kaboooom

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but it doesnt so dream is dead

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:02 AM

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Multiplers on lowbase values aren't that good anyways smugBucky

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Dorset doesn't hit all that hard

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:02 AM

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i mean, you can put oxytorp to make up the difference

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does jintsuu use oxy or full hp?

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not sure xD

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:02 AM

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Either is fine

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:02 AM

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cause like

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dorset would hit 313

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if she could get the torp boost from jintsuu

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she'd be pretty big

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:03 AM

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That's still pretty low

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Compare with any proper torp-dd/cl

coral wren Jan 23, 2019, 5:03 AM

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waits patiently for sendai

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 5:04 AM

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LeanderXD

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:04 AM

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except isnt suicide just jintsuu/aurora?

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with flex slot

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so it isnt that huge if you use qe to fill the rest of the torp gap

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Ppl mocking jesus

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ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:04 AM

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she's still crying

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thinkpitz

pearl nimbus Jan 23, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Jesus is stronk

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Always dies when I need her to

coral wren Jan 23, 2019, 5:04 AM

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is Belfast a good fill for torp meme

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:04 AM

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yeah, qe still buffs torp

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Bel has decent torp stat

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Dorset is poor outside of torps, and not even that good with torps, even with QE buff

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Not as strong as ijn but still GWnanamiRokaNaisu

halcyon hill Jan 23, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Belfast is all-around good fill for most comps

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:05 AM

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no, i mean if hms had a suicide torp comp with jintsuu benefit

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Meme use only

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:05 AM

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she would clearly be a good choice from hitting like

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a crazy crit multiplier

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 5:05 AM

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She deals 2k

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:05 AM

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and 60% + crit chance

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 5:05 AM

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With quad 610

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:05 AM

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yeah but ca dont benefit from jintsuu so it's irrelevant

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thinkpitz

coral wren Jan 23, 2019, 5:05 AM

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I cant decide on my 3rd ship on my torp vanguard either ayaya or belfast... belfast feels safer and tankier

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:06 AM

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yeah i know, it was theoretical

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:06 AM

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if they did

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Nah it's just 2x critical on dorsetshire since base is 1.5x

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:06 AM

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ibuki would actually be really good

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thinkpitz

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isnt base only like 1.2x?

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:06 AM

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150 base, 50 from dorset's own, jintsuu would add 30

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Or whatever, even worse than

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:06 AM

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i thought

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Still, Dorset base torp dmg too low

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:07 AM

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ok no it is 150%

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:07 AM

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i mean, with qe she hits 353

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that's similar

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Even with all that support, she's barely as good as a proper torp-dd/CL at torping

coral wren Jan 23, 2019, 5:07 AM

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hows Tinykaze for third ship with aurora jintsu

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xd

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:07 AM

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And then her other stats are 🚮

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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tech tanikaze does more than ayanami with opening torps thinkpitz

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by a miniscule amount anyway

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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i mean, barring reload that gets her similar to jintsuu herself

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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same eff with 3 higher stat smugBucky

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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minus efficiency though

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Not if you RNG out that 60% torp buff XD

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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no it's same eff for tanikaze

coral wren Jan 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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if I put her on front her torps will hit first and then enemy might get debuffed xd

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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yeah ive yet to rng a 60% torp buff yet thinkpitz

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well in the opener anyway

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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It's glorious when the stars align

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:09 AM

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used to run quad 610 for the memes tho

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Instant deletion

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:09 AM

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was funny watching backline get crit for like 5k or some shit

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entyLUL

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:09 AM

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xD

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:09 AM

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it also has more range than the other torps thinkpitz

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Magtorps actually hit the backline tho

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:09 AM

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but magtorp still has barely enough range to hit if not fired from farther back than you start

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:10 AM

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Sometimes even landing 2 hits

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:10 AM

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610 has 60 range compared to magtorp 52

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so even if you rng move back it reaches

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it just is rng if it hits

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entyLUL

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:10 AM

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Yeah, but unaimed good luck consistently landing

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:10 AM

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maybe id still swap for 610 if my bootleg no aurora fleet hits a wall

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just rng a win out and call it a day

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:10 AM

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And magtorps can RNG out 2 hits sometimes

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I've insta-deleted enty/near-insta'd wash a few times with that

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:12 AM

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i usually just move amagi across from enty every time i see her

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 5:12 AM

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It's hilarious when it happens LeanderXD

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 5:13 AM

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and if a random torp hits the barrage just kills her

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smugBucky

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 5:47 AM

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cant wait for dork for my debuff team

lunar veldt Jan 23, 2019, 6:19 AM

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Debuff meme fleet

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 6:29 AM

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yeah, ark royal, dork, amagi, X, helena, aurora

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xD

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i have it mostly with just amagi/ark/helena/aurora

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just using sodak to sponge some damage at the 30

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in bottom slot

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i was using tenn

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but she just has no damage and triggers too late

wise summit Jan 23, 2019, 6:52 AM

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ughhhh

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when people just don't play their games on your list

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 6:55 AM

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oof

pearl nimbus Jan 23, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Ok, so, when exercises reset the best strat is to wait around 10 minutes to an hour, then reset then play, right? Or am I completely wrong?

coral wren Jan 23, 2019, 8:01 AM

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Check excerise every 20 mins

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sandyMeme

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Every few mins when its right after a refresh

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Once someone climbed u kill and wait for next one.

hot creek Jan 23, 2019, 8:23 AM

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Roon certainly knows how to pvp, and by pvp I mean kill sandyMeme

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yeah bsaically you check every 20 min or however frequently you want by relogging when you do it

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and see if anyone moved up

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 8:29 AM

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Like a true serial killer

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wokeSip

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 9:02 AM

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📎 Nox_2019-01-23_03-00-03.png

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OWARIDA

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📎 Nox_2019-01-23_03-01-41.png

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sandyMeme

hot creek Jan 23, 2019, 9:09 AM

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lucker

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 9:14 AM

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it's ok ive been unlucky af with half these resets

livid fractal Jan 23, 2019, 9:26 AM

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I can't find people who are aiming for top rank, everyone is doing 5/10

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UmaruCryGif

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 9:28 AM

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I did 0/10 earlier cause of the screwup i did

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jerryFace

livid fractal Jan 23, 2019, 9:35 AM

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oh.. Rip

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FeelsBadMan

native mantle Jan 23, 2019, 10:19 AM

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@balmy torrent same i lost one cause i thought opponent enty died and dunno looked at my own team

pearl nimbus Jan 23, 2019, 11:34 AM

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Question, how do I know if someone's climbing?

elder crane Jan 23, 2019, 11:35 AM

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Up to three I know is fine if you sandbag a bit

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Their rank will ~~rise~~ drop (you know what I mean) if they are climbing, but you need to relog for this to display

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Rank will drop, ranking will rise, arrrgg this terminology

formal yew Jan 23, 2019, 2:03 PM

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any recommended competetive team with belfast?

lime rivet Jan 23, 2019, 2:04 PM

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literally anything, tbh

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belfast's a hard counter for foxes.

quaint ferry Jan 23, 2019, 2:05 PM

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You will see someone climbing if you keep seeing them after fighting them, also rankings refresh hourly iirc

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smugBucky

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You also get used to some people using INTeresting defensive fleets

lime rivet Jan 23, 2019, 2:06 PM

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to be precise, actually log out instead of just tabbing out of the app

rugged harbor Jan 23, 2019, 2:08 PM

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~~does interesting defensive fleets include 2 ship fleets~~ GWbowsuBlobThinkOwO

lime rivet Jan 23, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Solo Ent/Helena fff

quaint ferry Jan 23, 2019, 2:19 PM

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The interesting defensive fleets I've seen are the nepnep fleet, the akaga purin/bulin fleet, the ark royal/lolis fleet and some random 1:1 fleets

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i fight those same people pretty often whenever I get the 5 attempts

analog hare Jan 23, 2019, 2:20 PM

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1 Enty : 3 Dummy ship smugBucky

formal yew Jan 23, 2019, 2:20 PM

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how useful is hood in pvp? once her barrage kills her target which she faces, i feel it misses the adjacent ones

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or is she really that? 1 target killer where i position her to the one i wanna kill first

quaint ferry Jan 23, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Hood almost always guarantees a takedown

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She pretty good

formal yew Jan 23, 2019, 2:23 PM

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so she really is a target killer

blazing knot Jan 23, 2019, 2:23 PM

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is the current fuck u you will probably reset this match team: Amagi Kaga Akagi / Jintsuu Kai Ayanami Kai Aurora ?

formal yew Jan 23, 2019, 2:23 PM

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ive been contemplating with akaga amagi or akaga hood so if amagi is better..

blazing knot Jan 23, 2019, 2:24 PM

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juneau kinda melts though

formal yew Jan 23, 2019, 2:24 PM

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ahaha guess my team is a fuck u xD

quaint ferry Jan 23, 2019, 2:24 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20190122-004536_AzurLane.jpg

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I tend to avoid this cancer smugBucky

blazing knot Jan 23, 2019, 2:24 PM

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yours and 100 others

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at least its not fully oathed

formal yew Jan 23, 2019, 2:24 PM

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oathed pvp team...oy vey

blazing knot Jan 23, 2019, 2:25 PM

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for some reason kaga gets left out

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memeteam is best team

quaint ferry Jan 23, 2019, 2:25 PM

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My memeteam needs owari da to be stronger

formal yew Jan 23, 2019, 2:25 PM

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why is jintsuu named fletcher tho emileSip

blazing knot Jan 23, 2019, 2:26 PM

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is VF-17 the best way to use enty's fighter slot in pvp?

quaint ferry Jan 23, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Why is Akagi named Taihou smugBucky

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Aurora op in there

blazing knot Jan 23, 2019, 2:27 PM

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aurora's pretty good in pve...

quaint ferry Jan 23, 2019, 2:27 PM

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To make things interesting, my friend gives her the pearl tears

formal yew Jan 23, 2019, 2:27 PM

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wait isnt like half of auroras passive in pvp useless?

blazing knot Jan 23, 2019, 2:28 PM

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srs pvp question guise, halp

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is VF-17 the best way to use enty's fighter slot in pvp?

quaint ferry Jan 23, 2019, 2:28 PM

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#gameplay-help

blazing knot Jan 23, 2019, 2:28 PM

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...

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so #pvp is for circlejerking only?

formal yew Jan 23, 2019, 2:29 PM

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ooof...

blazing knot Jan 23, 2019, 2:30 PM

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wew lad

formal yew Jan 23, 2019, 2:30 PM

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wasnt what i had in mind

quaint ferry Jan 23, 2019, 2:30 PM

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I mean, you're asking for help aren't you, do you have an enterprise with a different itemset for pve? I don't quite get what you're asking, then again I'm not that knowledgeable in pvp or itemization for pvp

blazing knot Jan 23, 2019, 2:31 PM

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well im asking in a peak autistic muh calculations kind of way

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yeah

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overall it means little cos u are unlikely to make a dent in akaga's payload

quaint ferry Jan 23, 2019, 2:50 PM

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If you're in the sandy server and see this then it should be an ez clap entyLUL

📎 Screenshot_20190123-020051_AzurLane.jpg

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right now just trying to not get too far away from top 1000 entyLUL

topaz beacon Jan 23, 2019, 3:09 PM

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in pvp is a gold mag quint torp better compared to gold normal quad torp

livid fractal Jan 23, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Quint is more suitable in auto battles

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But most people use homing in pvp

blazing scroll Jan 23, 2019, 3:16 PM

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I use the quad mag torps in pvp tho

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I don't like the big spreaad the quint has

pastel forge Jan 23, 2019, 3:53 PM

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normal gold quad aka 610 aren't ideal for pvp, I'd use the gold quint mag

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 4:30 PM

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@blazing knot serious pvp answer. Reppu is the best fighter for pvp period. If you don't have access to that, it's probably a tie between pirate and hellcat. Difference between them is launch speed and interception power, I trust you can figure out which one does what better. The only real rule for minmaxing fighters is getting gold 500lb bomb and avoiding Seafang if possible because it's just a tiny bit worse than others

blazing knot Jan 23, 2019, 4:30 PM

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@modern tree thank u

knotty parcel Jan 23, 2019, 4:31 PM

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whats best gun for amagi btw ?

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triple 406 ?

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 4:33 PM

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410 if no ijn fleet, 406 with ijn fleet I think. I really need to test the latter more tho

knotty parcel Jan 23, 2019, 4:33 PM

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y i have akaga aurora jin2 aya

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so 406

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i was using 410 but i really don't want to do the maths

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others do it better than me

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Main draw of 406 is that you don't get rekt by Enterprise if you have 4 ijn

knotty parcel Jan 23, 2019, 4:35 PM

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well i had absolutely 0 problems against wasde

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 4:35 PM

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But without the fast first shot, you want 410 because her barrage is ridiculous

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I believe it. "rekt" was more like "if she lived till second shot she can cloak it". It's likely the comp still loses

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Also, a fun observation I made, Amagi barrage seems to be entirely aimed so if there's nobody in front of her and vanguard is gone, she will angle it toward the flagship. Don't know how effective that is since the situation is rare and I didn't have time to re test it on my break, but I will science it in a bit

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Also rarely seems to make her barrage miss the ship in front of her if vanguard is alive

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Not an issue as flagship

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 4:55 PM

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Found some amagi akaga fleet

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wokeSip

wise summit Jan 23, 2019, 4:55 PM

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I run 410mm with ijn fleet to slide in under belfast

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 4:55 PM

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I just run 410 cause mirror match it's the first one who strikes wins

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riandaXD

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 4:56 PM

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you still got the 20% bonus atk on off

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 4:56 PM

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I mean if i wait out 406

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My amagi dies

wise summit Jan 23, 2019, 4:56 PM

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in amakaga mirror matches if the opponent has ryuusei and torp front the mechanical offset of the fight being closer to your backline means ryuusei lands more reliably against you than them & also your backline gets struck by torps

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 4:56 PM

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haha

wise summit Jan 23, 2019, 4:57 PM

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it actually weighs out the 20% in such a way that if they barrage and you don't you can actually lose

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 4:57 PM

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you not using 4 jp?

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 4:57 PM

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4 jp ofc

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On a mirror match

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wokeSip

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 4:57 PM

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diff of 1s?

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granted i never fight amagi mirror match but is the diff really that big?

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Ye

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2nd barrage

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 4:59 PM

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then maybe they got jesus in their mix

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 4:59 PM

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No

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Mirror

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GWahreeSure

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 4:59 PM

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dk

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cus most back line die in 1 barrage

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granted it is not vs mirror

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but is amagi really that tanky say a wasd?

wise summit Jan 23, 2019, 5:00 PM

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jesus is unfavoured against amakaga because you destroy the frontline way before you even smell the back

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Did some testing with mirror match just now

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Apparently by 406mm instead of 410, you will eat 3 volleys before shooting your 2nd barrage

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LoliRage

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 5:15 PM

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so both VG die and back line stay intact?

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Ye

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And normally one fox on enemy died

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 5:15 PM

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if that the case i think you should put belfap in there

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 5:15 PM

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But it's a mirror match

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GWahreeSure

dull elm Jan 23, 2019, 5:16 PM

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I use me 155 on foxes mutsukiStare sandyMeme

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 5:16 PM

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well if you want to test mirror match then it is ok

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but if it is just cus then just use belfap lel

native mantle Jan 23, 2019, 5:35 PM

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are that 1000 more merrit realy worth to sandbag for gensui?

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 5:35 PM

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2500*

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and how hard can it be to just not play all your charges as soon as you get them

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 5:36 PM

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a bonus is still a bonus no matter how you slice it

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is like either getting a bonus 500$ for your pay check or no

native mantle Jan 23, 2019, 5:36 PM

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aye but any time to log out and log in just to get a lower ranked opponent is realy tiresome

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 5:37 PM

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that's why we have the term try hard lel

native mantle Jan 23, 2019, 5:37 PM

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@modern tree but the difference from 1500 to 2500 is 1000 not 2500

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 5:46 PM

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I see, I think. How are you getting 1500 for gensui if you are not getting gensui? Actually, dont answer that, I am good. If you find reseting every 20 minutes tiresome, then dont. I have a full time job in a terrible timezone. My job requires me to keep my phone locked up outside of the work area and I have acess to it for at most an hour within my entire work day. Somehow despite that I hit gensui every season and cling to top 50 at the end since the second season I have played on Sandy, which is probably not much more competitive than Wash, but still. Play your games right before reset, yes you get only one game with bonus points then, but its still more than you will get by playing them all at once and will enable you to snipe gensui easier. If you want to try a little harder, play on a schedule, check your game every 2 hours and aim to get 2 bonus point games per reset, this method will guarantee you top 100 at the end of the season and you will get gensui guaranteed. You dont need to do more than that. You dont need to kill yourself or your fun out of the game for points. Min maxing your pvp in this game really doesnt require all that much sacrefice.

analog hare Jan 23, 2019, 5:53 PM

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kisaaa

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 5:54 PM

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yall are so dramatic about it

native mantle Jan 23, 2019, 5:55 PM

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i was jsut told from someone that ya need to sandbagging etc. so i was curious about it

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 5:59 PM

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It may come to me much easier because I have been doing it for so long, but nah, I'd not say you "need" to sandbag, unless you'd call either of the two methods above "sandbagging". In my opinion all you need is a little bit of knowledge on how the system works and to give enough of a shit to play your games when it is a good time for it instead of whenever you can be bothered to do it

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 6:00 PM

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also luck is another thing when you trying to climb rank

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Controversial opinion coming through. I think luck barely a factor. I have had no problem hitting high ranks every season. I may just be lucky, but I think diligence is more important than luck. There is a lot that happens in 2 weeks and over a long enough period of time, the luck should balance out for everyone. Sure you will have guys hitting 2605 points at the end of season and wonder how the hell have they put you behind like 2 whole attempts, but one outlayer per ten thousands is statistically likely to happen, and hey, you can still be nr 2.

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The fact that me and Phoenixf have almost exactly the same score every season for like 3 seasons straight speaks for itself

pastel forge Jan 23, 2019, 6:05 PM

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I haven't tried it but can you reach gensui if you always rush every time you can without waiting whatsoever? assuming no match missed

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 6:05 PM

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not possible

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due to people will always lurk to gain more point

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by the end of season if you rush vs lurk i would say you lost by 2 or maybe 3 days of rushing pvp

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 6:07 PM

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I think effectivenes of that will depend on the server, the problem is that if enough people camp for points, you wont gather 2200 fast enough for top ranks to not be permanently occupied by people that are over 50 point reach that you have on the reset.

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so I'd say if dont play on Sandy or Wash, ther's barely any chance.

pastel forge Jan 23, 2019, 6:09 PM

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hmm yeah, but I think the first few days is the real important period. if say I start rushing on day 5, there might be a chance

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 6:09 PM

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probably

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its hard to tell, but the most important factor is if you are capable of hitting 2200 within like one reset everyone else did

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because after that, hitting top 10 is gonna be rough

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no matter how fast your games go

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 6:12 PM

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don't we know the average point needed by friday of 2 week to know if you can reach gensui?

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 6:12 PM

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I'd say ther's gonna be barely any difference between you rushing and you camping games when you only get +10 per game

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 6:12 PM

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i thought by now ppl should know that already

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 6:12 PM

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and you might get other people that rush the shit out of their games when you rush so might end up farming anyways

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 6:13 PM

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firday rusher = soft try hard while sunday lurker = hard try hard if i have to say so

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but seriously do we know the average point you need by friday 2 week to reach gensui?

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i am not really hardcore enough to try hard for pvp

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i think 2160 is reasonable on friday 2 pvp reset

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 6:15 PM

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yes, the math of it is 2200/number of attempts you get before friday week 2

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sandyparty

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 6:16 PM

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still a tall order if you rushing since top 100 going to be fill with 2200+ if you not lurking

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 6:21 PM

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all you need for gensui is 2153 on the reset and reaching top 10 before everyone else does. The 3 extra points are insurance for tanking lower points games due to your oponents having lower points, due to you rushing the shit out of it, thats for the fastest gensui. Any time after that you can just rush out your games and try to reach top 10 because you already have 2200 points, so rank is the only requirement. You get as many shots at it as there is resets beore season ends. (its not hard, it's unlikely every single timezone will rush every single reset forever unless the server is overflowing with people, and even then you can win because your games were faster)

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 6:23 PM

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don't you going to lose pvp point when you reach top 50 and top 10?

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from 10 to 9 and 8 respectively?

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 6:24 PM

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you only get less points for fighting people lower rank than you

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well, points, but you can easily tell because they will have lower rank than you

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 6:24 PM

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how you get to fight ppl high rank then you when at 2150?

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cus that have been my problem

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the first 2 or 3 fight i get +10 like normal

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but after that +9 then +8

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you reset for opponent or what?

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 6:25 PM

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yeah, this is why you require some extra points, you might need to tank to get to gensui, but if you care, then its worth it

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and you can use resets, yeah, but if you spend too much time pondering it then they are just gonna play their games

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and you get only 5

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 6:26 PM

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if your point is at 2150 for sure 100% you not going to reach gensui if you rush

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 6:26 PM

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that is correct

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 6:26 PM

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best bet is either 2153+

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 6:26 PM

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that is also what I said

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 6:27 PM

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i think you just edit your 2150 to 2153

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or maybe my eye are blind

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lel

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 6:28 PM

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I edited "even them" to "even then", but I will gladly pretend you knew better if you need an ego boost

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 6:28 PM

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just joking bro lol

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as if i need to boost my ego

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ego / pride ain't going to bring food to the table

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which is why i have none zzz

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Port Kai

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sandyparty

dull hollow Jan 23, 2019, 7:05 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20190123-135742_.jpg

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Don't need no hiryuu

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PepePls

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 7:10 PM

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hiryuu i think is better on def tbh

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but hey taihou ftw anyday of the week tbh

dull hollow Jan 23, 2019, 7:12 PM

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I think taihou offers more to the fleer

If only her reload werent pepega shaped

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Then itd be easy competition over hiryuu

pearl nimbus Jan 23, 2019, 7:21 PM

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Hey, a bit of an idiot question, but will I get 10 exercises if I leave my upcoming exercises until the next exercise refresh?

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Cause whenever I play a few it doesn't give me the full amount, like I lost an exercise yesterday.

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I didn't get to play it I mean.

livid fractal Jan 23, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Does she need to be lv120 to be relevant? or is she strong enough after her retro?

pearl nimbus Jan 23, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Pre sure she needs 120

livid fractal Jan 23, 2019, 7:22 PM

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FatThonk

pearl nimbus Jan 23, 2019, 7:22 PM

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like most CAs

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 7:22 PM

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she has 45 evade at 100

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which is a hell of a lot more than the other CAs

livid fractal Jan 23, 2019, 7:23 PM

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But is it enough?

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 7:23 PM

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run portkai with with smoke and laugh

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 7:23 PM

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but idk if that's enough to see pvp use worryShrug

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she is immune to aurora tho

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 7:25 PM

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whole point of amagi foxes is to nuke the enemy VG anyway

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so no point in playing defendsive

dull hollow Jan 23, 2019, 7:25 PM

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and probably PR evasion gear

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Sipstarte2

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portkai still needs 110

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 7:25 PM

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is CA front a thing in JP?

dull hollow Jan 23, 2019, 7:26 PM

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yeah

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Louis is barely a CA

dull hollow Jan 23, 2019, 7:26 PM

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it was pretty common to stack CA a while ago

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u still can but better to diversify

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1 junny 1 belfast 1 CA

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is a pretty stable comp

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against akagas

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tho akaga is pretty much dead in JP lol

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 7:27 PM

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well new meta = old meta gone

dull hollow Jan 23, 2019, 7:28 PM

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amagi damage output is just too high

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PepeLaugh

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 7:28 PM

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then come yamato / bismarck

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i really hope bismarck can bring kms to the pvp scene lol

dull hollow Jan 23, 2019, 7:29 PM

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kms in navy LUL

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 7:29 PM

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warShrug

dull hollow Jan 23, 2019, 7:30 PM

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tirpitz was just a better bismarck anyway

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but they could do an ass pull and make bisko better for some arbitrary reason

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 7:30 PM

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why not

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i mean she is popular in both AL and KC

dull hollow Jan 23, 2019, 7:31 PM

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bisko is trash in kc tho goldenlul

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 7:32 PM

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waifu > stat

real notch Jan 23, 2019, 7:35 PM

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AquaLUL

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generally ships in AL are strong for their cultural significance not military power

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so that basically means the more famous a ship was, the stronger it is in AL

finite valve Jan 23, 2019, 7:43 PM

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that's when you use foxes to nuke that little shit out of orbit

coral wren Jan 23, 2019, 7:44 PM

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haha wih akaga shes dead before she can proc her shit xdddd

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whats ur vanguard doing!

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stormtroopers!

dull hollow Jan 23, 2019, 8:28 PM

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wonder if they will release reverse junny

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when the ship dies

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cause massive explosion

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KMR

pastel forge Jan 23, 2019, 8:29 PM

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...that also affect allies emileSip

gritty cove Jan 23, 2019, 8:30 PM

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The Gandhi nuke

quaint ferry Jan 23, 2019, 8:34 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20190123-133322_AzurLane.jpg

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entyLUL

maiden agate Jan 23, 2019, 8:51 PM

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speeWhat

quaint ferry Jan 23, 2019, 8:54 PM

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Idk if everyone is sandbagging right now or if I'm actually gonna manage to sneak in the top 100 this time around using Erebus for offense & defense

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Do what

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speeWhat

coral wren Jan 23, 2019, 10:08 PM

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ur overall score is gonna be so low

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rip

subtle whale Jan 23, 2019, 10:57 PM

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portland~

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:02 PM

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will portland be the answer to suicide vanguard with that 5k hp and 45 base evade? xD

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with beaver she jumps to CL tier

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and isnt debuffed by aurora

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hmm

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 11:04 PM

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medium armour takes a bunch of damage from torps so unless you are planning to run smoke, she probably wont change all that much

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:04 PM

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i mean, bulge works pretty well on minn for me

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it cuts it down a lot

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unless you eat all of them

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10k hp is no laughing matter

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 11:04 PM

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That said, I have had maxed Portland for months so heyyy, new toys to play with

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:05 PM

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yeah torps just do full damage

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instead of reduced

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so it isnt too bad

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like, you go from 80% to 100, so that's a 25% increase from current

modern tree Jan 23, 2019, 11:05 PM

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considering just jintsuu is capable of critting for 5k, I do not think you are properly judging the situation

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:06 PM

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but you just cut that down with bulge

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but you get more hp

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instead

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as well as more dodge chance

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since beaver port kai hits 75

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and isnt hit by aurora

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what was the average damage boost of aurora?

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on cl/dd?

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like 25-30?

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it's basically equivalent

coral wren Jan 23, 2019, 11:07 PM

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bulge wont reduce the dmg the torp bombers torps do tho

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:07 PM

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that is what 5k base hp is for lo

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like, aurora debuffed CLs get nuked hard by all the planes

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in addition to rng torps

coral wren Jan 23, 2019, 11:08 PM

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I mean its like fighting a belfast + prinz

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they sink equally fast

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:08 PM

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prinz doesnt hit CL tier evade though

coral wren Jan 23, 2019, 11:08 PM

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oh yea

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:08 PM

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port kai literally hits CL tier evade

coral wren Jan 23, 2019, 11:08 PM

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maybe port will work xd

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:08 PM

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with beaver

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and you get a free aux, probably bulge

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so now you're just a MGM+1 CL but you have 1-2k more base hp

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than all of them

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lol

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and actually dangerous guns

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i think?

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 11:10 PM

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the plane modifiers for med armor are better than light armor tho

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thinkpitz

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:10 PM

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i mean, if it's only like 10-20 more

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that is why you have 20% more base hp

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lol

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 11:10 PM

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500 lb is 90 instead of 80

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but 2000lb is 105 instead of 70

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torp bombers are 110 instead of 80

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:11 PM

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but you can actually evade

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in smoke

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unlike dd/cl getting rekt by aurora

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unless you run beaver CL i guess

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xD

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 11:11 PM

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idk im not a fan of stalling frontlines anyway

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cuz id rather just faster games worryShrug

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:12 PM

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i dont like long stall, but i want a battle

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not a farm

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xD

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like, hiryuu is too much at 15 ;)

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but i like to see shots traded for a bit

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instead of a rush to the finish under 20

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dps is way more interesting than burst

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except that in al foxes get full dps and burst

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 11:14 PM

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idk

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:14 PM

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so it's like what

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 11:14 PM

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i farmed jintsuu

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i wanna use her

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thinkpitz

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but i dont have aurora anyway

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:14 PM

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xD

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 11:14 PM

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warShrug

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:14 PM

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rip

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but since dork is coming ill be happy with my debuff team

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=D

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Idk man

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First, we don't have CA Gold HE Main gun

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Even with retro, port will still suffer the lvl 100 CA curse

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 11:33 PM

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yeah we only have the bootleg purple one entyLUL

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:34 PM

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i mean, doesnt port kai basically cover the 100 ca curse?

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 11:34 PM

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no

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she gets 45 eva

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at 120 ca have like 80

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:34 PM

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with beaver that is cl base

ivory vine Jan 23, 2019, 11:34 PM

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entyLUL

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well the ca you would use anyway

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pr ships/retrofits

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also we dont have a good 2nd eva aux to put on

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thinkpitz

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:35 PM

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i mean, in torp meta wouldnt bulge be better

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because you basically become a beefier CL

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and MGM+1

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like, if we treat her as a gun dps CL, she beats pretty much all of them

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with bulge/beaver

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in raw stats

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while hitting the same evade tier

odd schooner Jan 23, 2019, 11:39 PM

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We shall see when she gets it

vague token Jan 23, 2019, 11:39 PM

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true xD

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 1:05 AM

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OWARIDA

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proven wing Jan 24, 2019, 1:40 AM

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what ships to use against akaga,amagi+jintsuu,aurora?

pearl nimbus Jan 24, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Mirror match 'em sandyMeme

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I mean any BB that can target Amagi and something like Enty to nuke backline

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Juneau and Belfast vanguard work nicely so long as Juneau doesn't die to the first torps.

charred sable Jan 24, 2019, 1:53 AM

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"Look to the east, it's burning red!" sandyLul

📎 Screenshot_20190124-095204.png 📎 Screenshot_20190124-095149.png

coral wren Jan 24, 2019, 2:15 AM

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U dont really lose against defense teams no matter how good. u will always have 20% more dmg than the defense so its very unlikely u will lose. unless u are severely undergeared or lvled

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:16 AM

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if they get some lucky torp crits just reset

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entyLUL

coral wren Jan 24, 2019, 2:16 AM

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yeah worst case is if ur enemy gets rng god blessing and hits u with torps

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if not then its win

quaint ferry Jan 24, 2019, 2:16 AM

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I snuck through top 100 entyLUL

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:16 AM

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well, comp wise suicide amakaga is uh

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pretty high win rate on defense

quaint ferry Jan 24, 2019, 2:17 AM

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But I'm dropping fast mutsukiStare

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:17 AM

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unless you mirror half of it

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or all of it

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xD

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:17 AM

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thinkpitz

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im pretty much always gonna run jintsuu

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just wish i had aurora and they'd release fkin sendai

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worryReach

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:17 AM

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is it better to run aurora AND sendai?

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:17 AM

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you need lvl break to even dream of w11

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:18 AM

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thinkpitz

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:18 AM

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or just manual lane w11

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lel

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:18 AM

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i mean i manualled world 10 anyway

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worryShrug

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:18 AM

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filthy manualer

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:18 AM

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was either that or reset every time a large main fleet spawned in the way

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:18 AM

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you make me sick in my auto lane

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:18 AM

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entyLUL

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FeelsWheelchairMan

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:19 AM

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maybe we can auto main fleets with amagi fire reduction

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for farming for jintsuu instead of rerolling the map

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dunno

coral wren Jan 24, 2019, 2:19 AM

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whats the suicide comp u talking about?

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:19 AM

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still need 2 full fleet to do w11

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:19 AM

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jintsuu/aurora/X

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is as glass as it gets

coral wren Jan 24, 2019, 2:20 AM

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what would U suggest in the X

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for defense

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fortune?

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:20 AM

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belfap

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:20 AM

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options are belfast, aya, or juneau

coral wren Jan 24, 2019, 2:20 AM

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I feel smokes are useless

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:20 AM

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just remember that offense amakaga will rip through belfast smoke with their own aurora

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:20 AM

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ayaya is better for off

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:20 AM

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aya is for rng resets

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because sometimes the defense aya will just nuke a backline

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but that one is volatile

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juneau is safe but doesnt add a ton

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sometimes 25% health is all you need to troll

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xD

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:21 AM

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still not really sold on the idea of jesus

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but hey that just me

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:22 AM

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im pretty sure on offense it should guarantee your win

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with the rest as a mirror

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:22 AM

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on off i use ayaya and belfap

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more then enough to survive

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in the worst case i just reset if somehow my front die

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:22 AM

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well, suicide is meant for them to die after launching torps

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maybe if you're lucky you get another set

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i can barely get belfast to make it through first strike

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in like, juneau/belfast/x

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depending on who hits the torp

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and if amagi does a barrage pre smoke

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which is highly likely

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if amagi hits an HE shot pre smoke, with a torp, that is a reset

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course, if you mirror, you do the same thing but 20% stronger ;)))

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so who cares at that point xD

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but if you dont mirror, it's volatile id say

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:25 AM

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on mirror you just need belfap and that is pretty much a win

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:25 AM

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yeah

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:25 AM

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~~unless you dont have aurora and your torps "miss"~~

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:25 AM

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well then you arent mirror ;)

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rip the dream

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:25 AM

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warShrug

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:26 AM

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mirror is just for M who want to min max and know who has the bigger gun

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:26 AM

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even w/o aurora belfast barely does anything

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warShrug

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:26 AM

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i want to play smart not hard

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:26 AM

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410 w/ fcr hits before smoke

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torps do too

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:26 AM

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yeah

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:26 AM

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warShrug

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:26 AM

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main point of belfap is the air strike dmg

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:26 AM

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yeah but w/ barrage the vanguard still usually dies to airstrike anyway

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:27 AM

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since that is what the comp was built for

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:27 AM

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the 35% reduction is covered by amagi's barrage

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so you usually die anyways

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if you run cls

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:27 AM

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if amagi doesnt proc

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thinkpitz

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:27 AM

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exactly

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xD

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:27 AM

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i dk about you guys but when i was using wasd

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my front never die due to amagi barrage

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they die to foxes

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but never to barrage

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:28 AM

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for me, if it was JUST fox, you can make it sometimes

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:28 AM

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yeah but they take damage from barrage

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warShrug

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:28 AM

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but amagi is a guarantee 100% ko

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:28 AM

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then die to foxes

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:28 AM

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like depending on the orientation of the torp bombers

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you can get lucky

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but if amagi procs you dead

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i kinda prefer when it was super narrow

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cause then she could play as a backline sniper

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instead of a FULL SCREEN damage boost lol

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sure, hurts her pve but

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she has the other 2 skills for that

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:29 AM

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also it is just me or did her barrage change some what?

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:30 AM

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uh, there was a 2nd patchfix or w/e

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:30 AM

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before the maint her barrage was a wider X shpae

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shape*

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now it is more narrow

elder crane Jan 24, 2019, 2:30 AM

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Her original EN narrow barrage had the AP shots expire before hitting backline though

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:30 AM

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yeh

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wider

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now her AP shell is more narrow

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:30 AM

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i think it was like, release was narrow, 2nd was extra wide, 3rd was he is wide ap is narrow

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or something

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:31 AM

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they can't make up their mind on how her barrage suppose to work

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lel

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:31 AM

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yeah

elder crane Jan 24, 2019, 2:31 AM

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I think the barrage on CNJP has always been same, but the EN team somehow keeps screwing it up

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:31 AM

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copy pasting is bad civ lol

elder crane Jan 24, 2019, 2:31 AM

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Like the original vids on CNJP I saw looks like our current one

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:32 AM

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since that is exactly what they did

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:32 AM

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isnt the EN engine like

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different?

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somehow

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:32 AM

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still base on JP

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so copy paste could still happen

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:32 AM

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dunno then

elder crane Jan 24, 2019, 2:32 AM

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Apparently, given how much stuff gets broken regularly

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 2:32 AM

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as evidence by untranslated stuff in event

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:32 AM

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either way it's gone through 3 full versions xD

elder crane Jan 24, 2019, 2:34 AM

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OG one was bad PvP since half of it didn't reach backline, but really memey PvE since it was basically a laser

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:34 AM

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yeah

elder crane Jan 24, 2019, 2:34 AM

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if enemies aligned, DELETE, otherwise, whiff

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:35 AM

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honestly if they just extended the bullet range

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that version would be fine

#

she'd function like wash

elder crane Jan 24, 2019, 2:35 AM

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It would be OP though XD

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:35 AM

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yeah but she wouldnt sweep the vanguard

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the torps are still aimed anyways xD

elder crane Jan 24, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Yep, no sweep, just randomly DELETE vanguard and always delete opposite ship if proced LeanderXD

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:36 AM

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eyy

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honestly i have no idea how much damage it did on release

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cause i leveled yellow first

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all the way to 10 lol

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:36 AM

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thinkpitz

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:36 AM

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we will never know

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xD

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:36 AM

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the ap bullets did jack shit

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warShrug

elder crane Jan 24, 2019, 2:36 AM

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damage is the same for all versions iirc, just the spread is different

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:36 AM

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hit for like 70 dmg

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on med armor

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 2:37 AM

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o.o

elder crane Jan 24, 2019, 2:37 AM

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AP bullets on release stacked into a laser almost, but didn't reach the backline

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:37 AM

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ok but they still did no damage

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like in pve hit for like 70

elder crane Jan 24, 2019, 2:37 AM

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low damage per shot, but either all hit or none

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This is what it was like in PvE

📎 NoxPlayer_1_15_2019_7_55_48_PM.mp4

ivory vine Jan 24, 2019, 2:40 AM

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📎 Nox_2019-01-15_13-54-30.png

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this was lvl 8 barrage w/ amagi at like lvl 81

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so slight level dmg reduction

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warShrug

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i had no ap guns equipped btw

elder crane Jan 24, 2019, 2:41 AM

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lv 99 at slv 10 vs lv 78 no danger lv was 148 in my vid

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seems pretty consistent

#

so, shot dmg is probably same for all slv, just number different

odd schooner Jan 24, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Someone sent me pic riandaXD

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📎 Screenshot_20190124-064127.jpg

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ablobrave

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 3:43 AM

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lol

coral wren Jan 24, 2019, 3:52 AM

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what the fk... no oathed. must be a filthy peasant

hot creek Jan 24, 2019, 3:53 AM

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the true flex is skins

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buy all them skins

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rings are cheap

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 3:55 AM

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i mean for the ones who have an oath skin it's cheaper to buy a ring

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xD

hot creek Jan 24, 2019, 3:57 AM

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gotta do both m8

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if they have a skin other than wedding one

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 3:57 AM

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true

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i wish there was a randomize skin option

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so you could get some variety

#

would be nice for pvp so you dont have to choose just 1 for your fleet xD

pearl nimbus Jan 24, 2019, 4:08 AM

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^

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It wouldn't be that hard to code tbh

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Just have a random option at the end 😃

vague token Jan 24, 2019, 4:20 AM

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ooh, or random weapon skins too

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per salvo

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;)))

hazy rain Jan 24, 2019, 5:22 AM

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is Amagi tier 0 in PvP?

pastel forge Jan 24, 2019, 5:28 AM

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I'd say yea

lofty smelt Jan 24, 2019, 5:29 AM

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I wouldn't see why not LUL

hazy rain Jan 24, 2019, 5:31 AM

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she is outdamaging my BIS Enty, while also making her teammates tankier :D

pastel forge Jan 24, 2019, 5:31 AM

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on another news, warspite retro is coming lol https://mobile.twitter.com/Ratto7R/status/1088305401680949248

lofty smelt Jan 24, 2019, 5:32 AM

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That's some max Pog

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Give official tweets and we'll add the champ

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 5:34 AM

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say max pog but have neither mlb WS or 3 extra copies of WS or 20 gold bp lying around

#

anon

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but then is she going to be relevant in pvp anymore?

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since hms is pretty much death in the water lel

lofty smelt Jan 24, 2019, 5:35 AM

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I actually have loads of extra carrier/battleship bps lol

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Bulins are ez too

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 5:35 AM

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i think you mean purrin

lofty smelt Jan 24, 2019, 5:35 AM

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yes, but both

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 5:35 AM

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unless WS kai is sandy lvl of insanity

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doubt she going to change anything

lofty smelt Jan 24, 2019, 5:36 AM

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pastel forge Jan 24, 2019, 5:36 AM

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she will definitely be relevant in pvp, it's her only sthick

lofty smelt Jan 24, 2019, 5:36 AM

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We official Pog

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 5:36 AM

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problem is hms is pretty much death in the water

pastel forge Jan 24, 2019, 5:36 AM

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not in other server tho

lofty smelt Jan 24, 2019, 5:37 AM

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But Warspite gets goodies so. Idc warShrug

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 5:37 AM

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compare to the 99.99% of the other meta comp?

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yeh hms is pretty much niche if not death

lofty smelt Jan 24, 2019, 5:38 AM

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Still viable

#

Attack is free

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 5:38 AM

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also did her art change like anything at all?

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i can't see shit

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other then maybe gun upgrade?

lofty smelt Jan 24, 2019, 5:39 AM

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Bigger guns, outfit change

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 5:39 AM

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yeh she got 2 more guns

pastel forge Jan 24, 2019, 5:39 AM

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hms is perfectly viable in cn/jp, obviously meh in en currently tho

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 5:39 AM

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lol outfit change

#

her outfit just basically got an x cross over the 4 button

#

huge improvement alright lel

lofty smelt Jan 24, 2019, 5:40 AM

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Entire coat is different, thigh highs and new shoes, idk what more to expect. Still needs to look like warspite warShrug

pastel forge Jan 24, 2019, 5:40 AM

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....isn't basically every retro an outfit change appearance wise?

lofty smelt Jan 24, 2019, 5:40 AM

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New sword POGGERS

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 5:41 AM

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need to compare both old and new to even notice any change

#

that how weak her kai impression is

pastel forge Jan 24, 2019, 5:42 AM

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as least she doesn't look basically the same ala jintsuu entyLUL

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 5:42 AM

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jintsuu = hey i got a new fan

subtle whale Jan 24, 2019, 5:46 AM

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time for warspite to get lock on snipe

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 5:46 AM

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my WS still at 0lb

#

zzz

pastel forge Jan 24, 2019, 5:47 AM

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I mlb mine purely from medal exchange and random dupe lol

lofty smelt Jan 24, 2019, 5:47 AM

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I never use mine but leveled her to 90 with MLB from dupes.

#

We'll take it

finite valve Jan 24, 2019, 5:48 AM

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the only dups i got is from crimsion

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and that is 1

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gg

#

most dup i got are hood lusty and belfap

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by the time we get her kai going to be swimming in purrin anyway so meh really

subtle whale Jan 24, 2019, 5:50 AM

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thanks to the dev

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for never making an elite retrofit for battleship