pvp

[lunar veldt]

the latter barrage is a great frontline dmg

9% debuff btw, 10% eva up btw

AA means jack

[knotty parcel]

nah

i look at stats first

they almost have the same skills

[lunar veldt]

huh

[knotty parcel]

and amagi has better skills imo

[lunar veldt]

same skills?

debuff and eva boost aint the same

[knotty parcel]

yeah a buff and a barrage

but amagi also has a debuff

yeah im not into the specificity of the buffs

overall i think amagi is better in pvp anyway

idk, is the reload that important

[lunar veldt]

imo its not

[foggy token]

40% reload for 8 sec

boosts like 1 sec faster reload

while amagi skill gives 10% evasion rate, not evasion stat btw. 9% airpower, fire power, and torpedo stat decrease translate to about 7% decrease in damage taken.

not to forget she also provides 15% dmg reduction to backline he dot. all non scrub players use he gun in pvp btw.

those are some pretty legendary tier skills

[hot creek]

disgusting

[odd schooner]

[hybrid tendon]

the powercreeping

is real

lul

bismarck is going to shoot nuclear missiles at this rate

[modern tree]

Do we really need more dumb powerful bbs in this game? Keeb Bismarck out

[wise summit]

bc technically

[gilded atlas]

Bismarck is BB though

[wise summit]

oh, fair enough, my brain was still on amagi

[dull elm]

probably i see them rather give her some insane HP/sustain or stuff

[wise summit]

with regard to "dumb powerful"

[lunar veldt]

Hey now

Bismarck is our only chance of a KMS meta

[foggy token]

if bismarck is flagship, 70% chance for german frontline to mgm+1, air strike and fire main battery again.

and have give her 50% more secondary range

u see her secondaries opening on bosses lol

[stable panther]

We need Habakkuk

[lunar veldt]

screw it, just give her the ability to auto trigger and refresh all KMS skills

[foggy token]

alright hiryuu next. for team america lite.

[urban coral]

[foggy token]

i have high expectations for nagiyuu

consider nagihoe is quite good

[modern tree]

My Amagi is ready too, time to play her until everyone else does so I can figure out a way to save HMS on en

[wise summit]

how can your amagi be ready, even if you got her on first day

[modern tree]

Although, HMS is probably missing real ships other than Hood and Hood probably can't carry through 10% evasion rate, especially if Warspite starts missing even more divine marksman shots

[wise summit]

or is this jp

[modern tree]

8 7 7 with lvl 100 and an oath is good enough

[gilded atlas]

looks like CN

i heard amagi gets another barrage upgrade at lvl 10

not sure true or not

[foggy token]

amagi doesnt get a barrage upgrade at sl10

im fairly certain final form at sl8

sl9 and sl10 just add dmg

yes thats cn

[finite valve]

don't wasd rekt nagiyuu?

[foggy token]

im pretty sure kaga torpedo barrage gets upgrade at sl10

[modern tree]

Lvl 8 is max, then you just get damage. At 8 7 7 you have last form of barrage, 7% offensive reduction and 7.5% evasion rate which I deem sufficent to test

[gilded atlas]

but it seems like CN pvp attacker side gets 20% dmg reduction

ENG attacker side gets 20% bonus dmg

mentioned on their wiki

[finite valve]

def or off is still the same 20%

def only matter on stall comp

[gilded atlas]

its different

[finite valve]

most def fleet here in EN are all off comp

[gilded atlas]

20% means you can blow up their escorts on 1st strike and main on 2nd

attack bonus

[finite valve]

which none of the comp here in EN can do

maybe enty and helena maybe?

[lunar veldt]

did someone say hms?

[gilded atlas]

Amagi Akaga Jintsuu Ayanami Aurora does that currently

[finite valve]

saw 0 hms fleet in EN above 1k

so?

[gilded atlas]

ENG doesn't have the good hms ships

except hood

[lunar veldt]

imo centaur is better than hood

[foggy token]

u forgot qe

nice

[modern tree]

HMS was sufficiently strong on en. Now I am not sure because I have yet to see Amagi

[lunar veldt]

centaur's barrage can effectively shred any frontline

[modern tree]

My guess is that they're dead until pr

[finite valve]

think hms amagi going to be the game changer?

[lunar veldt]

ye PRs are HMS's only hope

[foggy token]

no

to ur question pain

[finite valve]

hms was always a early pvp comp sort anyway

[modern tree]

Dork is likely not enough to bring it back

[lunar veldt]

yeah

[finite valve]

the weakest link in hms is QE

[gilded atlas]

Neptune is good though

[lunar veldt]

thats why

[finite valve]

a stat stick is not really good enough for later comp

[foggy token]

hms is great because u dont need any events to collect all their ships

[lunar veldt]

QE retrofit when?

[foggy token]

just some time

[gilded atlas]

Shes Edinburg and Phoenix in 1

[lunar veldt]

by right HMS is suppose to shred WASD butt not on EN

[modern tree]

QE is fine. Problem is that all HMS damage is based around barrages and 10% to evade roughly 800 damage projectiles is a lot

On top of normal evasion

[finite valve]

never like hms in the first place anyway

[modern tree]

And hms shreds wasd on offense

[finite valve]

hms > wasd > namiryuu > nagaka > hms then repeat

lel

[lunar veldt]

yeah

sort of

pvp is like rock paper scissors

but aint nobody got time to swap around

[finite valve]

with hms being the under dog

but hey at least they got a comp in pvp

unlike german

[modern tree]

You just need to play a meme frontline to kill wasd and most people are alergic to experiments so they continue running Juneau Belfast with hms wildcard as if it did anything on en

[finite valve]

RIP

[lunar veldt]

atleast we have variety on EN

the JP was plague with Nakaga

[finite valve]

below 1k maybe

above 1k is still the usual wasd

sometimes foxes and enty

[lunar veldt]

u still occasssionally see the foxes

[modern tree]

I don't experience any variety. Its either intentionally bad fleets or wasd

[finite valve]

front varry between ppl

[lunar veldt]

at 1k

[finite valve]

but back stay mostly the same

[lunar veldt]

but on JP servers its mostlly IJN fleets

or outdated non pr HMS

hood/QE/Lusty

free points

leander/jaburin/belfast

ez points

[finite valve]

not like def matter in rank climbing anyway

[lunar veldt]

oh yeah and the rare almost full pr fleet

wait the rarest is the china fleet

[finite valve]

pretty sure PR fleet is basically a meme fleet

[modern tree]

Ah, the skill triggers eclipsing the screen

Solid choice

[lunar veldt]

heh

china meme

i intend to change my def fleet to that once yat sen comes out on EN

[modern tree]

I intend to keep my defense fleet competitive because I want everyone else at top 1k to challenge me. I have pve to idly farm things

[finite valve]

ain't sandy pvp kindda easy going?

or is it washy / lex?

[modern tree]

Sandy is a meme and I have said before that I would have swapped if I could or knew better at the beginning

If I can get top 4 at end of season with one lost game and a full time job in a terrible time zone, then there's truly nobody trying for the top spots

Getting gensui is not really a challenge of you took any time to understand how the system works. You are only ever going to miss it if you threw about 2 entire resets worth of games

I aim a little higher than this

[coral wren]

Is ayaya jintsuu aurora just a meme? Or is it a working vanguard

[modern tree]

I am sure it will start getting harder over time, as people learn pvp and server population increases, but for now, it's pretty simple.

Aya Jintsuu Aurora is an efficient suicide frontline that works much better on offense because of extra damage and possibility to reset.

I would recommend using Belfast instead of Aya cuz Jintsuu crits torps for 4k either way and you become a lot less reliant on demon dance doing anything

But sometimes thrill trumps consistency

[gilded atlas]

working vanguard but best with akaga backline

[finite valve]

the only hard part of pvp is just the constant reset for point

and maybe to finish your tries fast enough

[modern tree]

Suicide strats work with any competent backline you can put together on EN atm. If you clean the front on the first wave of your strikes or shots, you more often thsn not just win, regardless of whether you use akaga, wasd, hms or other mutations of the above

I run Belfast Jintsuu Aurora in hms and just breeze through my games. Rather fast too

[finite valve]

unless they somehow have eldrige in there and proc like 100% of the time

sure you got 20s window

but that is still free damage you take for nothing

[modern tree]

No vanguard stands against me beyond my first bb salvos that start at 15

[finite valve]

well due to the 20% increase in damage i am incline to believe

if sandy pvp is any indication of joke pvp server then more so

[modern tree]

It's the combination of magtorps and 20% reload boosted belguns shredding targets with impared evasion

[finite valve]

that if the torp hit

still pretty rng lol

[modern tree]

I don't need to kill with them, that's the point. I have guns

[real notch]

nah jintsuu and aurora is the future lmao

[finite valve]

sadly i don't see them much in avrora

[real notch]

those 2 ships too strong in both attack + defense

[finite valve]

ppl keep using eldrige belfap + something

that the most common front i see

[real notch]

yeah it's not very common tho

[modern tree]

QE boosts Aurora and Belfast too, so you can figure it out

[finite valve]

problem is they don't use qe

wasd + enty

and the above front

and sometimes hood / enty + foxes

front just stay eldridge + belfap

[real notch]

well to be fair

wasd is still probably the strongest defense fleet

[finite valve]

atm anyway

[real notch]

focused strike on sodak will really force your reset sometimes

and even if not, pretty consistent backline

[finite valve]

once in a blue moon would i see her skill proc

and when she does proc it is against a proc enty on the other side

fucking useless lol

[real notch]

kek

yea and maybe juneau is op on defense

phoenix mentioned and i think he is right

[finite valve]

my problem with jesus is she die too fast to do any major heal to the enemy team

she die right after enty air strike touch the back line

and that is normal enty

not even proc enty lol

[modern tree]

One day people will learn to use Juneau and the only way to win will be using her yourself

Or Nagato will come and end us

My bet is on the latter tbf

[finite valve]

pretty sure nagaka + aurora = gg

sendai is just the icing on top

and i doubt a lone amagi can challenge a full front line at 50% HP give or take

[real notch]

if you put juneau in the middle

she won't die until planes touchdown on backline

because she won't get torped

[finite valve]

not talking about my but rather enemy jesus

cus i don't use her

[real notch]

oh

[finite valve]

she always die before the air strike touch the back

which is pretty useless heal if you ask me

[real notch]

ya so in my tests, the meta fleets that have juneau in the team i lose more often to

just i think based on statistics

[finite valve]

if i have to say out of 10 match with a jesus in the team

i lose around 2 tries

[real notch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BuOeLLjXKP-OGhXlN8V5yT7_19tgmvzHKwSU7y2O_KM/edit?usp=sharing

in my last 4 tests (at the bottom of the list)

i had like a 90%+ winrate

except against the wasd fleet with juneau

in which he had juneau, helena, belfast

[finite valve]

since i never really care much about pvp in the first place no comment

but base on my own matches with her in wasd fleet

8/10 win

[real notch]

this is in comparison to other alternatives like jintsuu, aurora, ayanami

[finite valve]

that comp is a rarity among rarity

best i see is jintsuu and aurora

• eldrige maybe

but never an ayaya

also i use jintsuu + ayaya + eldridge

good enough for me

since i just got her this morning

[real notch]

i think juneau works well against 20% attack boost... i'm not sure

[finite valve]

aurora i mean

[real notch]

not just based on my tests but

i feel like it is too

as long as juneau is not in bottom/top slot

[finite valve]

so what max wasd look like with jesus in there?

13k / 13k?

[real notch]

uhhhhh 13.2/XX

[finite valve]

may do some reset tries to see if you are correct or not

[real notch]

frontline depends on which ships you pick

[finite valve]

was talking about def fleet

not my fleet

like enemies def fleet

[modern tree]

It's rather easy to inflate front numbers with just rarity

[real notch]

ye it depends on which ships

[finite valve]

oh

[real notch]

i think BiS juneau with 2x purple aux is 3.8

BiS jintsuu (with rainbows) is 4.7k

BIS aurora is 4k

so total is 12.6k

for your fleet, eldridge is like 4k, ayanami is 4.2k and jintsuu (with rainbows) is 4.7k so it should be 12.9 or 13.0

[finite valve]

12.943

[real notch]

ye something liek that

[gilded atlas]

retro inflates the numbers more though

even though they drop like flies

[lament lichen]

Gotta love it when people inflate their numbers

[finite valve]

gotta be number wan baby

[modern tree]

this gold sg radar is very important for my frontliners to hit and dodge things, believe me, I cant imagine using anything else

[finite valve]

gold tool box when?

[modern tree]

hopefully never

[lunar veldt]

we dont need more fats

[finite valve]

you know what i want for the real game ender for AL?

weapon efficiency exp for each ship

[modern tree]

looking at jet fuel and homing beacon, gold toolbox would do something ridiculous and I really dont want to know what it would be

[finite valve]

and then weapon upgrade

gold > rainbow etc

[zenith tundra]

is this bis for amagi?

[modern tree]

I would CONSIDER using 127mm gold for bonus aa and because its more effective at fighting off frontlines, but its hard to tell if its BETTER than belgun before I start playing with it

[real notch]

Looks about right

[lunar veldt]

this is fine

[modern tree]

maybe being concerned with her trash AA is just wrong

[finite valve]

for pvp better to use the 127mm

[lunar veldt]

i wont bother with that bad aa

[finite valve]

pve just use belgun if the map is not planes heavy

[modern tree]

25 extra is 25 extra

[finite valve]

would want to use 127mm for planes heavy map

[zenith tundra]

is the spread on belgun that bad to use subpar dd gun?

[lunar veldt]

true but eh it boils down to preference

[finite valve]

more like the ROF

[zenith tundra]

but she never shoots... i see maybe 1 aux shoot x battle at best

[modern tree]

at 180% efficency dps is king and DD guns have better dps by far

[zenith tundra]

dps is fine if u fire

[finite valve]

not helping with belgun ROF being shit

LMFAO

[lunar veldt]

if only we have french DD gun

[zenith tundra]

oh thought it was bigger than that

[modern tree]

also if you are coincerned with shooting the frontline before the frontline is in your face, 127mm is probably still better because you hit 2-4 shots for 15 damage base instead of 1-2 for 18 damage base

belguns spread is really bad at max range

its just a gun you use as a stat stick

45 fp is a lot

[zenith tundra]

with torp vanguard and akaga is kinda of hard to lose vanguard 1st so i never saw amagi shooting aux on enemy vanguard

[modern tree]

and like I said, if you are just using it for stat stick, then it is conceivable that 25 AA is better than 25 FP considering Amagis stats. Don't take my word for it, however since I only just got home and I have yet to play the boat in pvp

[zenith tundra]

one thing i noticed about amagi is that max mg reload she hits enty cloak on 2nd barrage, it's kind of funny and sad at the same time

i used amagi in pvp from when she was lvl 64 for the extra xp and win even against 12k formations

[modern tree]

I have had a moral dilemma about sending a sick ship to battle before she was at her full power

[zenith tundra]

also 2nd skill to max is ageless phoenix?

i remember trying without hsfcr and it seemed ok

maybe max lvl barrage skill will still hit cloak

i think i'll lvl both skill till like 6 at the same time the decide on one

[modern tree]

I have thought about it and in my rather humble opinion, Amagis true power comes from the blue skill since it's a less consistent damage reduction but much more impactful one. Dodging projectiles that deal shitload of damage and set you on fire and parts of barrages will be more impactful than roughly 7% less damage at max yellow skill

that said, I have leveled her barrage to 8, yellow skill to 7 and I am maxing the blue one just now

[zenith tundra]

i mean yellow skill affects vanguard too. i usually get carried by jintsuu aya quite a bit

[modern tree]

very slowly

Yellow skill reducing damage to vanguard will have negligible impact, especially if you are playing Jintsuu Aya that are just going to torp and die either way

saving your fox from hood barrage because hood forgot her glasses seems more impactful

[dull hollow]

Amagi is strong because she has a barrage that's as strong if not stronger than monarch

[zenith tundra]

i'll post some of my damage dealt screens once i get new attempts but usually aya+jintsuu is like only 6k damage behind akaga and if u fight full bb comp ur aya dmg skyrockets

[modern tree]

At any rate, yellow skill barely improves with levels and getting it to 7 is like day and a half

[gilded atlas]

those 4k hits

with ayaya

[modern tree]

my Jintsuu crits torps for 4k, I expected more from Aya

[gilded atlas]

without crit

[modern tree]

fair enough then

[zenith tundra]

with gold quad homing i saw a 5.6k crit from aya

[gilded atlas]

usually it takes for 2nd round of torp to clear their escorts

but now with Amagi her barrage does that instead

[zenith tundra]

how's amagi used outside of foxes? haven't seen many amagis in pvp

[gilded atlas]

nvr seen 1 outside of foxes either

[zenith tundra]

survivability of wasd amagi looks insane

if u throw in fortune and juneau too

[modern tree]

I am ready to test as soon as my opponents get real fleets or Phoenix snipes me in pvp again

[dull hollow]

amagi doesnt rly syngerize well with foxes ppl just dump her there as a default

amagi probably works decently with suicide FW

her barrage damage is kinda hit or miss if both frontlines are alive

u get rid of one front tho you'll see her bob some heads

[modern tree]

Shes still better than hood in foxes because barrage pressure and dodge helps keep foxes alive

and we dont really have many options on EN

[dull hollow]

hood gives foxes reload meme tho

in fox vs fox duel reload is important

[modern tree]

its like hood, E or Amagi

[dull hollow]

amagi applies frontline pressure though tho

so both are probably good

[modern tree]

in fox duel sniping a fox because you barrage 2-3 times before 2nd strike is also pretty good imho

[dull hollow]

u barrage twice realistically unless other guy is stuck with +6 non SL10 fox

then they arent a fox

[modern tree]

you can just put amagi on flank and ther's no risk of hitting front, or barely any

[dull hollow]

amagi on flank will still aim at the frontline with barrage

unless the distance factor

means she doesnt

if that's true I'll have to revaluate amagi

[modern tree]

i WILL SEE ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW, THEN

the barrage went straight ahead, I think AP part doesnt have enough range to really fuck with the backline, but the BB volley and all the yellow projectiles hit the flank ship in the face

ima do that couple of times more

[dull hollow]

that would def make her much better in pvp

since her barrage matches monarch in firepower

if it's consistent tho

if it still aims at front like half the time

[modern tree]

AP falls down about halfway through the screen, can only ever hit frontline, only half of yellow projectiles hit the face because apparently ship hitboxes are tiny, this time the BB volley went to the front

[dull hollow]

a lot of the damage is from that volley

[modern tree]

the yellow projectile crits for 1k

[dull hollow]

if the target selection hits the front ur dps goes poof

without the volley u tickle

when volly hits tho it chunked my level 120 akagi for 70% of her hp

[modern tree]

I am getting some bad rng lmao, hold on

[dull hollow]

might not be bad rng

it's just how the barrage works

i think

[modern tree]

I am not proccing it

[dull hollow]

o lUL

[modern tree]

thats the point

[dull hollow]

wutface

[modern tree]

I am trying to get a rough estimation on the percentage but I need a sample size thats not 3 procs

so in 10 attempts, 7 went to the back

[dull hollow]

even if it goes to the back

[modern tree]

they targeted a random ship tho

[dull hollow]

there's no garantee it aims at the same backliner

tho

she still slaps tho

look at her level xd

[modern tree]

but at skill lvl 8 and with only lvl 100 it deals about 3-4k damage instantly with just the BB volley part and then the backliner in front of her gets hit by 4 additional projectiles that are about the same power

the effect is that the ship in front of her sometimes just lose like half of their hp pool from her super fast first shot, if the BB volley landed on them as well

[dull hollow]

yeah i'll have to see if suicide FW works with this shit lmao

[modern tree]

its such a dumb boat

EN meta here I come

[dull hollow]

belfast wutface

[modern tree]

I am not actually sure what to run there because a lot of EN options kind of blow

[dull hollow]

just run ayanami and make her die

you've got like

half a suicide comp there

[modern tree]

I mean, sure

[real notch]

that fleet looks pretty fukin strong

i would like to use that fleet (if i didn't already waste 260 cubes on amagi)

[modern tree]

I need to max my otahs but I am lazy af and sodak annoys the shit out of me

[dull hollow]

half perfect HMS

[modern tree]

maybe he just likes Hood

[dull hollow]

this hms comp is

getting flattened lol

so her barrage aims at the backline fairly often but it selects a random ship

you apply a lot of pressure this way and u dont end up wasting all your damage on one laner

but the flipside is you cant select for point deletions like HMS

[modern tree]

I think that if you could just consistently delete a boat this way, we would have to resign from pvp

[lunar veldt]

"pvp games are often won by backliners"

[zenith tundra]

i think u run amagi with foxes not the opposite... in order to get that nice 45% reload is either that or some dumb frontline

maybe kaga bb will be good for pvp (mine is only lvl 74 so i cannot say)

[modern tree]

coinflip barrage

[lunar veldt]

Bkaga er there are other bbs that can do

WAY better

hiryu kai is just cancerous to deal with right now

[zenith tundra]

in en not that many tbh

outside of hood and wasd there really aren't any other bb used at high levels

[lunar veldt]

er washington

[zenith tundra]

so kaga bb for amagi 45% might be a thing with like hood/akagi and aya jintsuu aurora front

[lunar veldt]

yamashiro non kai

[zenith tundra]

i haven't seen 1 top formation using yama

[lunar veldt]

oh woops yama for pve

[dull hollow]

suicide FW amagi probably no that good tbh

[lunar veldt]

but washington is top tier

[zenith tundra]

i said wasd...

[dull hollow]

tho

[lunar veldt]

ho woops

[dull hollow]

u can run 3 IJN front

[lunar veldt]

high on caffine

[dull hollow]

and see what happens I suppose

ill try it out

when I get amagi to 115-118+

so she can self carry

[lunar veldt]

tirpitz is decent

[dull hollow]

right now she needs buffs

[zenith tundra]

imo i don't see jintsuu as a suicide boat. she usually last way longer than many other ships

[lunar veldt]

comparable to bkaga

[dull hollow]

jintsuu has low af HP

most people are probably just gearing her to be defensive

i just throw 2 oxy torps on them and call it day

die super fast

there arent many other options that are good for being a suicider

[zenith tundra]

if i had more than one yes and yet again this is en i'm talking about not jp/cn

[dull hollow]

suicide FW awkward to run in EN cuz u lack a lot of tech that makes it better

but it still works

i know quite a few ppl here used it

and said it had favorable results

dunno if Amagi is worth slotting tho

think enty would still have better results

[zenith tundra]

i run jintsuu aya eldridge because no aurora yet

[dull hollow]

that comp so ew

but EN doesnt really have cancer high damage rn so u can get away with weird hybrid comps like that

good ole days when I could get away with running cleveland and Leander kai in pvp

kinda miss them

[zenith tundra]

yeah fun u only see wasd/akaga or random meme formation in pvp

and the random hms

literally no variation

[dull hollow]

at least being able to see 4 different comps is more interesting than seeing only 1

dark days of JP

where nakaga had 0 counter

big yikes

[lunar veldt]

till CN came up with juneau

[zenith tundra]

nagato sounds so fun lol....

[lunar veldt]

true lord and savior

showed us the way

[dull hollow]

dw EN will never have to face

the horror that is nagato

unchecked

since you guys have FW already

FW shits on nakaga

as long as u play the comp right tho

[modern tree]

Amagi is already here, we are halfway to opression

[ivory vine]

does it still beat the new nagato/amagi/x comps?

[dull hollow]

but I havent seen very many Nagami comps in pvp tho

[ivory vine]

or does no one have amagi at 120 for testing

[dull hollow]

JP is pretty washed up tbh

everyong just sets random nakaga comps

[lunar veldt]

heh nagato amagi hiryu kai

[dull hollow]

impossible to find good meta comps

i only found the perfect HMS comp three times in total

occasionally find FW

EN might have a sweatier PVP scene on 120 release

cuz ull understand nagato + amagi

[real notch]

jintsuu is a very strong ship right now

high torp dmg, 20% dmg reduction

SSR stats

her effective hp is like belfast

due to the dmg reduction

[modern tree]

passive that boosts pretty much all the boats that are worth using in pvp

[real notch]

but if you stack HP on her, she gets very tanky

she's like fortune back in the days of foxes

[coral wren]

what fw vanguard you do use rn on en, jin+aur+bel or

[zenith tundra]

i use jintsuu aya eldridge (no aurora yet). once i'll get aurora either jintsuu aya aurora or jintsuu aurora + belfast/eldridge

[real notch]

FW vanguard best is made up of aurora jintsuu juneau belfast

honorary mentions eldridge helena

[zenith tundra]

also did some testing on hagaka vs amakaga and the amazing buff hood gives to foxes is 2sec faster 2nd launch vs all defense amagi gives to the whole fleet

if 2 secs is worth 7% dmg reduction + 10% evasion on main fleet i delete al and never play again

[real notch]

7% dmg reduction

[zenith tundra]

roughly what u get from amagi -9% stats

it was in the cn wiki

[real notch]

i heard it was 20% including the EVA buff

like 20% ish overall

[modern tree]

(on en it might be a little lower because no 120 stat inflation)

[real notch]

it doesn't

that's why

[zenith tundra]

and i put it separated because it applies to vanguard too

[real notch]

(and i theorized 2 weeks ago)

that amagi sucks against planes

she should not sit in capital ship spot

too risky

[zenith tundra]

the only match where the 2 secs would be worth anything is mirror akga

[modern tree]

her sucking against planes is sort of made up in putting enough pressure on foxes for them to strike you twice at most because barrage stuff

[real notch]

yea i also said this yesterday but hood is not better than amagi with foxes

just looking at her skills it's not a point of debate

amagi is just that much better than hood

[zenith tundra]

someone here earlier said that would rather use hood over amagi with foxes

[real notch]

with foxes

nah that's silly

i had to convince someone yesterday that hood is not comparable to amagi

amagi should take flank but

in order of precedence, carriers shouldn't take capital either

[gilded atlas]

shes best at center

[real notch]

due to medium armor (less taihou) and low HP

[gilded atlas]

with akaga

[real notch]

so if you use amagi foxes, while amagi capital ship is not great, it's the best choice

[zenith tundra]

i run hakaga forever now and putting hood on enty better then anything

[modern tree]

you can position hood however the hell you want because with plane suicide damage and maybe some bombs you can snipe ships almost as well as hms, it just works better on flag because of plane suicide and maybe some bombs

[zenith tundra]

u put hood on snipe duty not for a mere cd buff as flagship

[real notch]

hood + foxes WAS meta for lack of better optiosn

i think people are just being stubborn with their old strats

and not paying attention to the new ships coming out

[gilded atlas]

amagi barrage hits escort ships too

[modern tree]

the thing is that amagi barrages twice before 2nd fox strike so you are better at sniping ships, since barrage is a lot of pressure, and you get other things on top

[gilded atlas]

thats a no brainer

[zenith tundra]

amagi just came out i grinded my amagi hard and only yesterday was able to get her to max level

[real notch]

[modern tree]

Hood is just this old vanilla ship with one skill that is really good, but the time is testing it and she's not winning

[real notch]

i rolled 2.5% ashigara i think 3-4 times

and 4% naka like 9 times

and 10 hatakazes

0 amagis tho AYYYY

i also got 0.5% kaga bb

[zenith tundra]

welcome to al where i draw all elite ships in light but aurora...

[real notch]

i spent 260 cubes so far for amagi

lmao for aurora i spent 204 cubes

[zenith tundra]

i'm glad i saved since i spent 160 on amagi

[real notch]

why do i get cucked like this?

[zenith tundra]

i'm so salty i still don't have aurora... i even have her ring ready

hust spent 69 cubes on light an no aurora...

[dull elm]

light build pool is such crap

to actually get what u want

[zenith tundra]

i'm getting everything but her

[hot creek]

I just want a Benson

[modern tree]

seems good so far, need more boilers in the frontline

[finite valve]

<spend 3 - 4 weeks of dailies to get aurora

so around 28 cubes for aurora

lel

[zenith tundra]

i managed to get 4 sandy and 0 aurora so far

in the last 10mins i mean

[dull elm]

Sandy probably has biggest chance from light pool. 7 % SSR of which sandy is like 5 % gg

[zenith tundra]

0 cubes and 11 quick finishers left. not worth it

[real notch]

lmao

my luck is seriously cancerous

for this to happen to both aurora and amagi rolls is just

i went from like 500 cubes to now 18

just for aurora and amagi

[dark nova]

rolling for aurora is rough, took me 280 cubes

15 sandy in that span

light construction is fun

[real notch]

it's because the game knows i only do PVP

[hot creek]

desire sensor is real

[real notch]

it gives me trash ass 0.5% kaga bb

knowing idgaf about it

i just gotta avoid the desire sensor

[modern tree]

I took 860 runs to get akaga and I have had good luck since, the ascension is real

[coral wren]

akashi will raise your luck stat if you give her some cash

[real notch]

i see

i am usually pretty good in world drops

but garbage in rolls

i got both foxes within 45 mins of each other

but amagi and aurora..

i see

[modern tree]

I am shit at world drops, I took like week and a half to get Jenkins and I still have no Radford, those boats arent even useful for anything, and also blue

also

snipe me Phoenix, its time to face the real fleet

[hot creek]

how many points do you have

I went up against an Amaga fleet yesterday. it was spooky

[modern tree]

I am gonna blow all my attempts within like 2 hours because I have to sleep so I can live my life. I am at 1664 atm, rank 223

[hot creek]

im also 1664

[modern tree]

are you at 10/10?

[hot creek]

yeah

[modern tree]

I am only 1 attempt ahead, nice

as in

down

yes

[dark nova]

Treasure her well

[hot creek]

i think best chance for sniping is if the target is 14-20 points above

could also be 11-20

matchmaking is whack

leftmost is usually around 14 for me though.

[modern tree]

yeah, when I play my games, my next opponent is usually about 15 points difference

rerolls are turbo whack tho

[real notch]

damn

is that the power of #pvp

helping people get their waifus

[zenith tundra]

aurora smug is so cute in her chibi form

[hollow dawn]

@zenith tundra just because you take a screenshot after "lock the ship" message, won't make this not a trophy

[zenith tundra]

it is

[real notch]

doesn't she just dance on 1 foot

or something

[zenith tundra]

ban me from al so i stop spending money on it

pls

[real notch]

LUL

[ivory vine]

restart cant do that

[hollow dawn]

just delete your message

[zenith tundra]

done

[real notch]

wait, am i to understand he was not warned?

[hot creek]

now I just need to pretend Benson's skill is relevant to #pvp so I can get her

[hollow dawn]

he was verbally warned

[real notch]

in that case can you unwarn me for posting sandy earlier

[hollow dawn]

weren't you softwarned?

[real notch]

(and yes i was warned OMEGALUL)

[hollow dawn]

it's basically verbal

literally the same thing

[real notch]

basically verbal?

[hollow dawn]

but via bot

[hot creek]

got a belfast. oh well, medals are medals.

[zenith tundra]

i'll be more careful

[real notch]

if it's verbal then why did i not receive a verbal warning?

[hollow dawn]

but via bot

[real notch]

?

[ivory vine]

softwarns dont give pts afaik

[real notch]

this is interesting

[modern tree]

Using the opportunity of Restart looking at this chat, I'd like yall to read rest of my notes and decide if they are worth a pin

[real notch]

you are trying to justify inconsistency in moderation

[hollow dawn]

If others say they are - I'll pin it no problem

[real notch]

by saying 2 different methods are "literally the same thing"

[modern tree]

I am totally not trying to change to topic from a discussion that can be handled via DMs

[real notch]

ecks dee

[modern tree]

PvP mechanics:

1. You can pause and quit the match at any time with no penalty.```

2. Health in PvP is multiplied by 0.9 + 0.012 * level.```

3. Ships damage dealt and taken is modified by their class, see other pins.```

4. The above does not make Illustrous or Prinz Eugen good.```

5. You will generally deal more damage to your opponent than they will deal to you.```

6. The battle occurs closer to your side which matters for torpedoes and torpedo bombers.```

7. EXP gained is determined based on the Enemy's total level, not their power rating.```

8. Planes reaching the end of the screen will deal "touchdown" damage based on their remainign health (30% minimum), use Aviation Oil Tanks.```

9. Preloaded torpedoes launch in order: Front ship, Middle ship, Rear ship with about half a second delay between them.```

10. Your leftmost oponent has the highest score and will give you most points if you beat them, with rare exceptions that happen if you play too many attempts at once (their rank will be lower than yours).```

11. If your opponens score, !not rank!, is higher than yours by at least 35 points, you will receive more points for beating them. Bonus points scale with the difference over 35 in a myserious way. There is no way to check score outside of top 100 or asking your opponent.```

12. Restarting the app refreshes the leaderboard. Do it every time before attacking anyone. If someone from your list played, they will have higher rank and score than it shows before this rastart and you want bonus points.```

[real notch]

LMFAO

that's a good FAQ

you should format it better though

it's just a big wall of text rn

[modern tree]

can discord make bulletpoints or smthn

I can double break but its gonna be messy

[real notch]

you can use text formats such as

this

or
[this] like this

ok can't do the other one but watever

@hollow dawn please apply consistency in moderation of identical offenses please

people will get mad otherwise

[modern tree]

I dont think that helped

hm

[real notch]

and if i ask another mod about soft warnings and they tell me anything outside of "it's exactly the same thing" that would be a big yikes

no not like that daxam

liek this

PVP FAQ

1. Ships receive about a 2.0 HP buff

[leaden willow]

markdown lessons in pvp? owo

[real notch]

something like that

just play around with it

it will get better

you can change color by doing this:

[leaden willow]

does anyone know the placement requirements for rear admiral lower

[real notch]

```fix

reeee

[hollow dawn]

if you think that'll change your softwarn - sure

/softwarn 305665234310397953 trophy in pvp club

[strange moat]

Z4ckFairX#0342 got soft warned. Reason: trophy in pvp club

[leaden willow]

anyone?

[real notch]

as long as it's fair for all members

\ ````fix```

nanu

you show him cyan

how to do the orange text

you apply fix

to the ```

here

[modern tree]

I might have done it

[real notch]

also you misspelled roughly

lemme see if you can improve your FAQ...

hello and [test]

ok perfect, you can do this too ^ to highlight text within a block

it looks like this @modern tree

[hot creek]

@leaden willow https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Exercise check here

[hollow dawn]

can this be done in DMs?

[leaden willow]

ooh tyty

[modern tree]

rip this chat

[zenith tundra]

winning exercises with a lvl 10 aurora is so retarded, especially against 12k opponents

[modern tree]

It's still 10% evasion rate debuff before she blows up

[zenith tundra]

she lasted at best 5secs

what's the alternative to romba for vanguard? i only have 1 gold

[hot creek]

I just used +6 purples before I had all gold.

[zenith tundra]

is gold skc not worth over purple romba?

[modern tree]

I am currently using 2 105mm golds, 1 roomba and 3 bofors because boxes are great

It works okay I suppose, I never bothered to minmax my AA because I either play wasd which has stupid high AA, HMS that snipes carriers or foxes which are best AA in the game with like 700 aviation fighters

[zenith tundra]

i have 10skc and 1romba unlucky me i guess

[real notch]

skc is great

[modern tree]

I dont even have 10 gold aas

[real notch]

👀

[modern tree]

every gold I get is quint 553 regular torps

[real notch]

lmao

i got a couple of gold AAs

[modern tree]

I farmed

all my golds

all of them

[real notch]

but honestly the diff between gold AAs is not substantial

👀

as long as you're not using pompoms

[modern tree]

pve poms are fine because you dont die because you didnt tag like 2 planes coming at you yet

[solemn gorge]

pompoms are good in manual

[knotty parcel]

lmao

all those gold aas

they are the rarest equips, fuck

[hot creek]

skill book trifecta. its like they want me to max out Amagi.

https://puu.sh/CxgOG/716a7ce833.png

[real notch]

rip the eagle tech

[hot creek]

I don't really need any more eagle equips

actually don't really need anything from any boxes at this point

well, could use some extra belguns but not necessary

[dull hollow]

buy the food

food so value

twin 127 forever has a place as the best BB defense gun if you need defense

for those BBs that can only wear dd guns

and being defaultly good on NoCal if NoCal wasn't a steaming pile of shit

[hot creek]

ill trade you these for the belguns, thanks https://puu.sh/Cxhf9/9d64d39c17.png

[dull hollow]

2 comets are good tho

2 zeros too maybe for certain applications

[hot creek]

I legit have only ever gotten 1 belgun from those shitty boxes

farmed my other two from 6-2

thank EN for being stuck on w6 for hard mode

[dull hollow]

with world 10 and 11 rolling into EN

belguns see very little use

you already have 2 that's plenthy

or 3 I see

[hot creek]

gotta have minimum of three for dank triple CL vangaurd.

[dull hollow]

yeah that meme is funny for pvp

[knotty parcel]

"well, could use some extra belguns but not necessary"

damn i have so many of those

i even have like 50 designs of them

i need gold sg radars

[hot creek]

50 designs monkaS

[dull hollow]

wtf 50

[real notch]

Ill give u 5 127s for an amagi

[odd schooner]

[real notch]

ok fine

can i interest u in some gold AA

[light pagoda]

You guys want 3 Seafangs and 3 Baraccudas for 1 Belgun?

[real notch]

i need some 127s for PVE

[light pagoda]

Got some others too

[real notch]

Deal ill trade u

[light pagoda]

Yes!!

[real notch]

actually if u have amagi i'll give u 5

[light pagoda]

I have her too

Even a dupe

[real notch]

ok

deal, 5 triple 155mms for amagi

[light pagoda]

Yes

[real notch]

even a dupe

why is the world so cruel

[light pagoda]

Amago so waifu though

Level 98 now

[real notch]

[light pagoda]

I think it took me a lot to get that first copy

About 150-ish cubes

[real notch]

[glossy jay]

i dont think im even going to use my amagi

i dont have any japan boats worth using

except for aya

[modern tree]

ha ha

you still think playing for the fast shot is something that has to be done

[ivory vine]

even without the fast shot she has 3 skills

[modern tree]

8-2

80% winrate

in 10 games

[ivory vine]

what were you running into it?

[glossy jay]

Aids tbh

[modern tree]

my juneau has 2 boilers, jintsuu has one, I'd give one to aya but I dont have a +10 one

[ivory vine]

id assume the def fleet would do better w/ juneau in the middle

[modern tree]

you want juneau to live as long as possible because you dont want your frontline to survive because she sinks

because my backline can solo wasd e

juneau just heals up lucky E and then I win

[ivory vine]

but would them putting juneau in the middle actually make them win more or would it still usually lose?

[modern tree]

[ivory vine]

in those specific comps

[modern tree]

not sure if their juneau being positioned mid would change anything because if she doesnt die, then eldridge does instead

[ivory vine]

does eldridge do that much against your lineup tho?

[modern tree]

not really

I mean, she can

if she happens to proc as my frontline dies and I waste round of shots

but that seemed rare

with 8-2 record

[ivory vine]

ugh...i need so many purins

amagi almost 90...but sodak is only at like 30

kinda wish i started doing exercises sooner

also i wish i could get around using juneau but it doesnt seem like that's a possibility

[real notch]

@modern tree can you write it in reset-test format

i'll put it in my doc

[modern tree]

Daxam (south dakota, washington, amagi | jintsuu, juneau, ayanami) 13.3/13.0

WASD Amagi vs WASD E

Game 1 - win
Game 2 - win
Game 3 - win
Game 4 - win
Game 5 - win
Game 6 - loss
Game 7 - loss
Game 8 - win
Game 9 - win
Game 10 - win```

that good for you? @real notch

[real notch]

ya perfect

thank you so much

sry i'm at work i can't have open browsers

updated - you are the first not-me in the reset testing doc

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BuOeLLjXKP-OGhXlN8V5yT7_19tgmvzHKwSU7y2O_KM/edit?usp=sharing

[modern tree]

[dull hollow]

suicide strat is always stronger than tank-style FW

[modern tree]

I am considering Helena in place of ayaya but then i might as well drop Jintsuu too and then I'd have to play something silly like Portland

I am not that silly

[ivory vine]

would the frontlines work better w/ jint/juneau/aurora or jint/juneau/ayakai?

[modern tree]

I think

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

helena should be dead before 20s

if ur keeping front alive after 20s it's pretty hit or miss since ur shells start hitting the water

[modern tree]

but what if I am and I run Helena Wichita

[ivory vine]

wichita

run real suicide frontline

[modern tree]

I mean, against this frontline it was REALLY HARD TO DIE if E didnt proc lawl

[dull hollow]

part of the reason why suicide FW starts to suck hard vs anything that isnt nakaga

or akaga related

for that matter

[modern tree]

I need more boilers so I can catch all the torps not only some of them

[ivory vine]

also who'd you put beaver badge on in that lineup?

wash?

[modern tree]

its on sodako because she has to tank E procs

because ideally my frontline is dead for at least one enterprise strike and someone has to tank it, and it would be sodak

wash has 2 gold sgs, she should be fine with amagi buffs

I will do more science when I dont have to be sleeping for the past hour

whoops

[real notch]

btw, just as confirmation daxam, your gear is BiS right? (as in there's no fleet power inflating gear)

[dull hollow]

for akaga BiS is all gold gear anyway

[real notch]

nice meme

BTD and 2x catapult

[coral wren]

thats how mafia works

[dull hollow]

no

2 Comets

lol

[ivory vine]

yeah cuz isnt their bomber eff trash?

[dull hollow]

akaga dive bomber damage is puny

[ivory vine]

and they only get 2

[dull hollow]

why slow down their launches with s2bc

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

use suisei

i dominanted nakagas simply cuz I launched faster

[ivory vine]

tfw i dont even have a 2nd comet

[dull hollow]

akaga awkward to run in EN cuz no 2nd ryuusei anyway

well ryuusei strat is cucked by FW anyway

[ivory vine]

are ryuusei in research/core shop or do we need vdir again?

[dull hollow]

i think they might show up in research

I have 4 ryuusei

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

nvm only three

[dull elm]

Almost mirror fleets. Ayanamy doing her part

[dull hollow]

i havent actually monitored amagi flagship performance

if she aims at fronts or backs

gonna wait for her to hit 115+

so I can take off the training wheels

oh i almost have 4

[dull elm]

arent Amagis barrages like different between servers?

[ivory vine]

does amagi's barrage actually target in pvp?

[dull hollow]

[ivory vine]

cuz in pve it just went straight...

[foggy token]

no?

[ivory vine]

unless you meant the torps

[foggy token]

amagi 2x2 plunging shells actually aims

[dull hollow]

amagi barrage is half targeted half straight

and a few vestigial torps that fly later

[ivory vine]

does it not have the targeted part before like level 8?

[dull hollow]

as a sidelaner the barrage applies a lot of pressure to the entire backline because she chooses to aim at any ship

[ivory vine]

cuz ive just had her at flagship since skill level 8 so i didnt notice

[dull hollow]

unlike monarch or hood where after their opposing laner is dead

they're widely useless

[ivory vine]

i did notice the ap shells do like no fuckin damage

[dull hollow]

AP shells are just there for pretty

like wash barrage

[ivory vine]

maybe to try and break shields idk

hit for like 60 dmg tho at skill lvl 8 and lvl 80 amagi

[dull hollow]

the ap isnt wide enough to screen clear garbage

so it's kinda annoying

[ivory vine]

it wouldnt clear shit anyway

it does like literally no damage

[dull hollow]

it does liek 230 damage per bullet

that's enough

at least for me

[ivory vine]

it only did like 60 when i was looking earlier

[dull hollow]

inb4 that was actually just my CL shooting the boat

and I couldnt tell

ill go run it again tmrw with a DD

so no overlapping bullet colors

[ivory vine]

i dont have any ap guns equipped

amagi was like 84 iirc with lvl 8 barrage

[dull hollow]

amagi's barrage rivals monarch in firepower tho

[ivory vine]

yeah the other shells do a lot of damage

[dull hollow]

hood demoted wash outdated

long have we awaited

wait it's IJN still now we jebaited

[ivory vine]

the ap ones i guess are just there to maybe break shields before the main part hits

[dull hollow]

no the big shells fly before the AP ones

lmao

it's just there

for pretties

pretty much

[ivory vine]

the ap ones arent fast enough to pass the other ones?

fuckin rip

[foggy token]

what shield in pvp

[ivory vine]

well nobody uses shields in pvp

but i wouldnt expect devs to make them just for pvp

[dull elm]

Man just raw deletion power of IJN

[dull hollow]

hms deletion power is higher

[velvet fossil]

Its not just me right, amagi’s barrage is more narrow compared to cn/jp

[ivory vine]

monarch

[dull hollow]

but they lack the constant pressure that amagi can offer

[foggy token]

not with nagato 40% 100% barrage proc rate

[dull hollow]

monarch blows up the opposing laner but then she does nothing

amagi can keep pressuring at the cost of lower deletion potential

my 112 amagi was bopping 120 comps

but JP is washed up af/ded game

all garbage nakaga comps

[dull elm]

i more meant that for me i guess havent used HMS tbh

[dull hollow]

no hiryuu

no hms

[ivory vine]

time to move to cn

[foggy token]

cn is pretty much ded

[dull hollow]

cant gather any data

zz

[ivory vine]

jp ded...cn ded

time to pack it up

[dull hollow]

EN is gonna be the savior

[foggy token]

ykkz belfast and juneau defense fleets

[dull hollow]

of manjuu

[foggy token]

lel

[dull hollow]

i run yukikaze and neptune to abuse amagi

[ivory vine]

[foggy token]

i only saw half baked fleets on cn

[dull hollow]

yukikaze does

okay i guess

[ivory vine]

what does neptune do for amagi

[dull hollow]

neptune just tonky

[ivory vine]

oh lul

[dull hollow]

i mean that looks

decent

it probably just sucks on defense

[dull hollow]

because defense is better played with jintsuu sendai anele meme

cuz of opening RNG

levle 105

6*

triggering me

i hate it when I find the good comps but they horribly underleveld

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

[foggy token]

that first comp was a joke

[dull hollow]

muh data

[foggy token]

amagi fks with full bb compa

[dull hollow]

also there's no garantee ppl are using the correct gear

[ivory vine]

sometimes i wish you could look at opponents gear in exercises

[foggy token]

go email dev for a feature

[ivory vine]

that takes effort

me and effort dont get along

[foggy token]

yet u pvp

...

[ivory vine]

i dont really pvp tho

[foggy token]

.>

[ivory vine]

i just like to know what's going on

[dull hollow]

most comps that arent nagato based are just positioning based

so if u mirror matchip vs hms or fw you just win cuz of proper positioning lmao

[foggy token]

switching positions

sorry we dont do that here

[dull hollow]

[foggy token]

3mucheffort5me

[ivory vine]

just run nakaga and you dont have to

[dull hollow]

nakaga annoying to run

takes so long to win vs fw

and sometims u lose anyway cuz of some bullshit

[ivory vine]

but you said almost nobody runs anything other than nakaga