pvp

[slow totem]

Rumor or confirmed?

[coral wren]

would be sick if true

just rumor

[slow totem]

[coral wren]

Related to some line of hers during stream, where she says something like "i want to become stronger"

[slow totem]

[real notch]

that'd be a fucked up retro

[modern tree]

pretty sure china announced a skin and thats about it

[real notch]

she's already top tier

ye there's a helena skin

did u guys see it

pretty kawaii

[modern tree]

(also you can slap her skill on virtually any ship and it becomes top tier, helena has little to do with it)

[coral wren]

Meh, i wish they sticked to asian clothes for asian ships and western clothes for western ships

[real notch]

asian clothing xd

[coral wren]

well, yukata or whatever that dress is called xd

even tho it looks more like traditional chinese clothing on her skin

[real notch]

i think it is

[coral wren]

oh, ok

On the good note, they actually do listen to ppl and know what sells well

[modern tree]

only thing on my wishlist is improving retrofit bp economy because last time I did math I determined I will be grinding for next year and a half to finish all of them and I am not saying I wont do it but its a long time

[coral wren]

Still waiting for warspite retro 😦

But i guess it ain't happening, at least not in this timeline

[real notch]

LOL u gonna have to go to timeline Z

[coral wren]

😄

[real notch]

ws retro LOOOL

[modern tree]

I am pretty sure that with QE existing any main fleet ships retrofits are a huge risk

even Repulse

[coral wren]

Well, but they are trying to avoid making new ships that are useful only in pvp, right?

[modern tree]

Looking at Concord I can only assume they are trying to avoid making all new ships useful period

[coral wren]

lmao

[grave gale]

I don't think they care about pvp's balance

Concord just an excuse to have a hentai artist design a ship

[coral wren]

Well, i've got a feeling ws will be just a waifu material once en gets dork. Like, non existent in both pvp and pve

[real notch]

lol naw well essex was probably made to counter foxes

[coral wren]

shit sucks

[real notch]

they're just not doing balance changes

it feels like

[modern tree]

I will continue playing warspite because everyone complaining about her skill is meming. Shes still CL aux BB with high FP and free barrage that isnt 100% reliable, but at least it always fires

[coral wren]

I feel like they could act bolder with retrofits and actually enhance all low performance ships if not that "rarity increasing" thing.

[grave gale]

Still waiting for Prinz's retrofit

[coral wren]

And that rainbow rarity doesn't have to be op as fuck, just adjust some numbers here and there

[grave gale]

I know it's coming

[modern tree]

if you make too many retros at once then nobody will be able to ever collect them. BP economy is bad. Retroing a ship usually requires them to cooperate with Artist that designed the ship in the first place. It's a process

[grave gale]

Prinz is too popular to be bad.

[modern tree]

if Retrofits were a popularity contest then Atago would have retrofit of a retrofit

[coral wren]

Hm, about that bp thing, you can gather them through research, right?

besides hard mode

[modern tree]

I dont know but I need 250+ of purple DD and CL bps atm

and research will be cool and all but thats still a year or so grinding

[coral wren]

If yes, then it just looks like devs are fishing for ppl who are ready to spend some cash on cubes just for the sake of spending them on researching

and getting bps

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/Cn4vw/26088ae874.png do i take this? 🤔

[finite valve]

sure why not

[hot creek]

+20, not bad.

[charred sable]

Given that the right side's vanguard is wiped out even before the 30s mark, I don't think that video is representative of anything other than a clear gear difference lol

[bleak flicker]

🤔

I dont understand what this video shall tell me

[hot tinsel]

are homing torps good for pvp or are they only useful for pve?

[vague token]

i heard hints about new carrier aux, can anyone confirm ?

[hot creek]

yes, you want mag torps in pvp.

[mental grove]

Alright. I’m rank 647 in PVP. Should I rush to the end and get into the top 1000 player ranks? I won every battle since the restarted pvp.

There’s obviously better players out there since I hit level 50 a while ago.

I could grab a high rank before veterans take the spots.

[hot creek]

If you really want to ensure you get the top 1k reward, sure. It's not necessary as long as you keep winning though.

minimum score for top 1k is 1050 points

[grand sluice]

No gear difference, just destroyers are squishy af and easy af to kill

[mental grove]

as opposed to cruisers?

Still getting a handle on classes.

[slow totem]

Winning with Nakaga gets no Kudos from me, you are supposed to win with that broken af comp.

[elder crane]

And the enemy team was nothing special either, so IDK what it's supposed to show.

I guess his fleet wasn't a special one either? but NAKaga alone means it can't be that bad as long as the frontline isn't super memey

[slow totem]

Win with full KMS fleet and I’ll give 10/10 Sieg

[mental grove]

Lol. I keep winning because my lucky E pops in after my opponents, so I dodge his, he doesn’t dodge mine.

I can see why enty is T0 in pvp though. The entire fight was decided on the time of happening of lucky Es and that mine triggered when his didn’t.

[real notch]

lucky REEE

[high flume]

What's the best Main gun for WASD? and what are the best plane setup for Enty?

[real notch]

twin 410mm

reppuu
helldiver
barracuda

[azure aurora]

Want to use full sr kms , but tirpz skill is annoying and no other sr cv exc graff

No love for KMS

[high flume]

@real notch By twin 410 mm, do yo mean 410mm Mounted Gun (the one with 3rd year type ammo)?

[slow totem]

No, the Purple Twin 410mm with HE ammo

[real notch]

not the 3rd year sanshikidan type

[slow totem]

[real notch]

the purple version

[slow totem]

Use the Gold one at your own risk of insanity.

[mild spruce]

Accidentally sold all my purple helldivers in the storage

[azure aurora]

[mild spruce]

Only have 2 left that were on ships

[high flume]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Twin_410mm_(3rd_Year_Type)#Type 3 this one?

[azure aurora]

Better than me, i sold 6 fire surpressor

[slow totem]

No, not that one.

[mild spruce]

Purple 410s

[slow totem]

@high flume This one

[high flume]

@slow totem wait what, why can I only find the 3rd year type on wiki

[slow totem]

Uhm...

I dunno.

Not a wiki team guy.

[high flume]

The 3rd year type drops from 6-3, 7-3

where did you get the normal one?

[slow totem]

That’s the normal one

Wiki got the entry wrong then

[high flume]

Oh, so it's the correct one

[slow totem]

[high flume]

mb

[slow totem]

You can get the Normal (Purple) one from Purple/Gold Sakura Boxes too.

The 3rd Year Type one can only be obtained from events, like Visitors Dyed in Red.

[high flume]

Btw why do you guys prefer Purple gun instead of the gold ones?

[slow totem]

The gold one does tickle damage, like a couple hundreds instead of thousands.

[high flume]

But the gold gun has better min and max damage stat though

I don't get it

[slow totem]

Stats don’t matter if you do tickle damage.

Like a +9000 STR sword but it has a base damage of 0. You’d still deal 0.

[grave gale]

Ammo type is more important than whatever power the gun has

3rd Year Ammo type is meant for AA damage. It fires a scatter firework like shot that tears up planes but pitiful surface damage.

[slow totem]

Looks like fireworks, feels like fireworks.

[grave gale]

It's a niche gun that has no place in pvp because you can't control when you fire.

[mental grove]

Eh. I’m thinking about using belfast and fortune in pvp.

Fortune could be rather strong with her extreme invasion and the protection to the main fleet.

[slow totem]

They work wonders, even more with QE around.

[mental grove]

While it’s really a short time. extreme invasion is pretty much invincibility.

[slow totem]

Facetanking Foxes’ airstrikes? No problem. until Nagato comes around anyway

[high flume]

If we're talking bout the Ammo type, why purple 401mm over Quadruple 356mm ?

[slow totem]

Cause Quad 356mm has awful reload rate and spread, those extra bullets will more often miss than not, you fire slower too

[real notch]

because the quad 356 has shit spread and reload

[grave gale]

Quadrudple has a very slow fire rate and very spread shots.

[real notch]

3rd year type has good spread/reload but shit ammo type

[high flume]

Oh yeah, it's spread

[real notch]

quadruple 356mm has good ammo type but shit spread/reload

[grave gale]

BB shots want to be concentrated for higher single target damage

[real notch]

twin 410mm (purple) has good ammo type and good spread/reload

thus you simply just use twin 410mm (purple)

[high flume]

So generally for pvp, it's better to use minimal target gun?

[slow totem]

But, but, Sirreq, it’s pleb Purple, Me Want Shiny Gold!

[real notch]

[slow totem]

Everyone knows that Gold >>> Everything else

[grave gale]

For all content, 410mm and 406 MK6 are the only worth using BB guns. Everything else is pretty trash.

[real notch]

i better put that BTD helldiver on then

[slow totem]

Not just any BTD, but Gold BTD

[grave gale]

So we have 0 good gold BB guns right now

[real notch]

@high flume also, i recommend you stop referring to the in-game stats for gear to determine their effectiveness

oftentimes it's wrong and will only serve to confuse you

[grave gale]

Yeah. That's a newb-trap. You can't really judge a gun better than the other unless you fully understand each stat and what you should be looking for

[real notch]

always check with guides or sources like #gameplay-help or #pvp to find out which gear is the best

[slow totem]

Imma dab with my Fairey Fulmars tyvm, begone with Heccdabbers

Dabs

[grave gale]

I have a friend that's stubborn about it and thinks he can pick the best gun based on which stats look the best. He ends up using garbage guns and argues with me about it.

[slow totem]

Oh shit

Unironically thinking gold bb guns (in EN atm) are better objectively?

What madness is dis?!

10/10

[mental grove]

but. Uh. Doesn’t stats indicate better performance?

[grave gale]

I told him to stop thinking you know better than the experts and math nerds that spend lots of time analyizing the weapons to determine the best one.

Like I said, you have to fully understand ALL the stats. Know exactly what each of them does and exactly what makes the best weapon

[mental grove]

yeah. Like I prefer the scatter over the lock mechanism. Just because it makes it easier to hit moving targets.

[grave gale]

If you just look at firepower or damage then you're making a grave mistake

[mental grove]

No. I look at the rate of fire and the angle of action.

and the mechanism.

[grave gale]

the spread is equally important

[real notch]

what i'm telling you to disregard isn't stats

[high flume]

Sorry for asking too many questions, but for aircraft, how do you determines which one better for PvP? they all have different equipment, some has multiple cannons (or bombs). I kinda lost on this

[mental grove]

Sometimes it can be harder to see the best gun. Yeah spread too.

[slow totem]

Stats doesn’t indicate better actual performance, no.

[real notch]

but rather in-game displayed stats

[grave gale]

because high spread is terrible except when it's for the BB secondary for fire boats

high power and good reload means jack if most of your shots miss due to the spread.

[mental grove]

yeah. I don’t take higher than 25 degree.

[real notch]

for example, gun spread and patterns are not listed in game - thus a lot of decent "statted" guns have terrible firing patterns

the spread is just one indicator but doesn't often translate accurately into actua lperformance

[mental grove]

huh? Oh you mean burst action?

[real notch]

another example is fighters

[grave gale]

There's also the fact that game doesn't tell you the ammo damage modifiers

[slow totem]

@mental grove oops @high flume

Short answer:
Fighters: Reppu, Seafang, or Hellcat
Dive Bombers: Helldivers
Torpedo Bombers: Barracuda or Nakajima

Long answer: Involves a lot of math... 💤 someone else can do it.

[real notch]

NEVER ever look at the loadout DPS for fighters - it's an extremely inaccurate stat and doesn't provide any useful information on the actual AA of the fighter

[grave gale]

Anything that isn't HE is pretty bad. The only reason CLs use AP is because they lack a good HE gun. Belgun is the only decent choice for them but it has a bad spread

[slow totem]

Ooops wrong tag

@high flume

[mental grove]

huh.

Why is high explosive the best then?

[high flume]

@mental grove more stable armor modifier

[slow totem]

Cause of the damage modifiers

[real notch]

high explosive is the best because the majority (this is empirical) of vangaurd ships are light-medium

[high flume]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/List_of_Battleship_Guns

[grave gale]

And yeah the damage numbers for fighters and dive bombers is misleading. Bomb size is the most important factor for their damage

[mental grove]

That makes sense.

[slow totem]

Plus the nice burn damage as icing on the cake.

[high flume]

they explain the ammo type

[mental grove]

but it doesn’t mean jack in pve i guess.

[slow totem]

It means a lot in the end game

Earlier PvE content? Yeah just do whatever

[grave gale]

They don't give modifier numbers. They just say HE can set things on fire and AP can pierce

not useful information

[real notch]

you have the right idea that tighter spread is more reliable damage

[slow totem]

You can’t mess around from World 9 onwards

[mental grove]

yep

[real notch]

but 20 degrees as the cutoff might rule out some useful guns with wider spreads

[mental grove]

I prefer scatter once again.

I didn’t say 20 i said 25

Because then I can’t snipe with it

XD

[slow totem]

Wait, this is PvP channel tho

Sorry about the PvE, mods

[mental grove]

I know

[slow totem]

MonkaS don’t mute me

[mental grove]

I like ships able to take things out from afar.

In pvp, chances are, there will be distance.

[slow totem]

BBs can always fire at anything in PvP tho, even if you use the memey 410 gold.

[grave gale]

HE is best mainly because the majority of enemy ships in PVE and nearly all ships people use in PVP are light armor.

[mental grove]

i also enjoy the strong torpedoes

[grave gale]

It also has the best all around damage modifiers and gets the bonus of a fire DOT on top of it

[mental grove]

Seeing enemies run into ALL of them makes me LMAO

[slow totem]

I extensively use the Purple 410mm on my PvP BBs. While in PvE, I alrernate between 410mm and 406mm MK6.

You can’t really go wrong with torps anyway, just pick anything with no less than 4 Torps per launch

It’s ez

[mental grove]

like it ends the battle rather early when the enemy move vertically over the torpedoes.

[high flume]

@slow totem Sorry, but do you mind to share where you get the plane tier info? kinda curious how they calculate the overall Dps. The in-game Aircraft stat literally doesn't make any sense lol

[slow totem]

Lunar posted it

[mental grove]

Dangg

[slow totem]

Where did they got it? Lots of maths. Not my cup of tea, just want the results.

[real notch]

yea like all these stats are not posted within the game

[high flume]

Does cannon on aircraft (mostly fighter) has significant value?

[mental grove]

So yeah. It shows how much HE is strong.

[grave gale]

For torpedoes

[real notch]

really relevant important stats that are omitted from in-game stats

[mental grove]

yeah

[slow totem]

Cannons are for AA (Plane vs Plane dogfights), not too relevant in PvP imo. Works well in Plane-heavy PvE maps.

[real notch]

that's why you don't trust in-game stats to make the final decision on gear

[high flume]

I see2, thank you

[mental grove]

Oh i see now

[real notch]

btw lunar did u get jintsuu yet

[grave gale]

helll no

[real notch]

rip

[grave gale]

salty about it too

[mental grove]

We can’t pick over 1000lb because we lose that damage.

[high flume]

Damn this game really need some tooltips or smth to explain the stats even further imo

[mental grove]

A few percent really bites back in competitive.

[slow totem]

They are developing a UI update as we speak

[real notch]

yea they really testing players this time by releasing W10 without danger or level cap

[slow totem]

For CN first tho, as usual.

[real notch]

literally guzzling oil

[mental grove]

Lel

[slow totem]

Where’s that UI Update Youtube vid?

[real notch]

and releasing a key pvp ship like jintsuu

[grave gale]

I wish I could run it 24/7 but I can't.

oil murderer

[slow totem]

Those who do PvP (seriously) is a minority compared to the number of players, but Jintsuu is a good PvE ship as well, so I guess.

[mental grove]

i love how someone on here asked me to wait for jintsuu casually while neglecting to say HOW IT’S OBTAINED.

Like PSH. i can get BPs on the way.

[grave gale]

That Youtube guide maker casually got both Honolulu and Jintsuu while clearing through W10

[mental grove]

I ain’t even past W6 yet!

[real notch]

[mental grove]

[real notch]

damn that guidemaker

[high flume]

Idk much bout JP/CN meta, but I know that JP fleet (with nagato) is kinda tier 1 for PvP. Will Jintsuu be staple Vanguard on JP fleet later on? Should I try to get her now?

[slow totem]

I got Honolewdlewd on my 2nd clear in 10-2, but she’s Blue rarity

[real notch]

jintsuu is staple yes

[slow totem]

Haven’t touched 10-3 and 10-4 yet, waiting for danger level.

[grave gale]

rarity doesn't mean anything for drop only ships

[real notch]

imo given all ships i'd probably prefer to run sendai aurora YKKZ

[grave gale]

Inaz is blue too but lol

[slow totem]

@high flume There is no hurry in getting anything actually, PvP ranks restart every 15 days.

[real notch]

PVP staples sort of have small pool u can choose from

if we are talking JP/CN

aurora, sendai, jintsuu, ayanami, YKKZ, st louis, neptune

[slow totem]

Isn’t CN’s codebase different from JP? And EN is based on JP.

Like the game works differently in details.

[grave gale]

I'm not sure I'd go through the effort of the PR grind for a pvp niche ship

[slow totem]

Hit rates, evasion, damage calculations, etc

[grave gale]

Neptune and Ibuki

[slow totem]

[real notch]

i'd say the sendai debuff flare and aurora passive debuff is key for twinfox fleets

so normally the last option is just a flex choice

i think

[slow totem]

Big thonk

Neptune is a good PvE ship too tho

Think of her as the most expensive Zombie.

[real notch]

lol ye

[slow totem]

Cassin/Downes -> Phoenix -> Minneapolis -> Neptune

Like Pokemon evolution LOL

[real notch]

LOL

yea neptune seems really strong

overall

i'd either farm saint louis or neptune when PRs come out

[slow totem]

She’s the most powerful Zombie.

French Louis or American Louis?

[real notch]

french louis

i got american louis from my hell run for aurora

[slow totem]

[grave gale]

I've leveled my Vestal from 91 to almost 100 from this Jintsuu grinding alone. Keep in mind she's a ship that can never get MVP

[high flume]

Wait, Nepnep is actually a good ship?? Isn't her skill only works on others neptunia ship?

[slow totem]

That’s HDN Neptune (Neppu)

We’re talking about HMS Neptune

[high flume]

LMAO mb

[slow totem]

Names the same man

St. Louis, Saint Louis

[mild spruce]

You can get Aurora as a drop?

[dark nova]

No

She's light construction

[mild spruce]

That sucks

Got around 8 Sandies looking for her

Still searching

[dark nova]

I went 14 sandy before I got her

it's rough

but mileage varies, some people got her quick

[grave gale]

erebus had a hell of time getting her

[abstract cypress]

just chill, u will got her eventually
or just spam build like those metasheeps

[dark nova]

feels good to be a metasheep

[mental grove]

What st-louis is a stapple pvp?

[abstract cypress]

u could get gensui even without those ships

nope

no stapple in pvp

[mental grove]

Huh. Should I climb in worlds?

[abstract cypress]

and the good one is saint louis not st one

[mental grove]

Blu hair?

Oh dang it

Wrong one. XD

[lofty smelt]

Well I guess I'm rank 1 in Lex for now. Not properly sandbagging because you don't know when you'll be able to do matches is fun.

[coral wren]

Damn, tirpitz actually cucks kms pvp setup so hard... i guess i'll just take graf and two sisters instead

[analog hare]

KMS backline sems like selfish

[topaz beacon]

its weird how nice synergy their frontline has

[coral wren]

Y, i do hope bismark will have some insane buffs for kms when she is out, because right now things aren't looking good..

[topaz beacon]

then the backline is messed up

[coral wren]

z1 is essential due to 40% evade buff for z ships and that's it about kms vanguard..

they bring aurora and it's 20% only..

[topaz beacon]

i mean z23 and z46 are pretty good ships themselves so its not too bad, barring the fact that its a 3 dd fleet

[coral wren]

well, that's why you want to avoid setups with aurora...

but i bet every 3rd fleet will be running her very soon

[slow totem]

Aurora herself has no defensive skills against anything, and she has paper HP for a CL

So it’s not really an invincible comp

[lofty smelt]

I'm running Jintsuu/Aurora/Ayaya vanguard once I get those things leveled. Torp rush is fun

All hail Aurora

[slow totem]

[subtle whale]

its torp comp vanguard is fun

what the different between monarch and hood in pvp, i saw thar they are the same but different at the same time?

or is that just come down to pve content

[coral wren]

You will get sick grinding for her 😄

[charred sable]

[hybrid tendon]

Met an aurora fleet

With maxed and oathed aurora just a few hours ago

She killed my Eldridge immediately

But got blown up in akaga airstrikes

Shes not THAT strong

[coral wren]

Strong enough to wreck kms vanguard

[lone pendant]

lol wat

[coral wren]

I meant my z vanguard

[odd schooner]

Her hp pool is kinda low

[subtle whale]

she wrecks cruiser

anti eldridge rng

[odd schooner]

She works well on ijn cause of fox skill

She later dies on enemy shells/airstrike

But in most cases

She survives and you'll end the enemy next airstrike

[prisma vessel]

Hello. High exolosives or AP for pvp?

[urban coral]

usually it's HE

[prisma vessel]

Why? Wont AP rounds hit all 3 ships cause they are always beside each other?

[blazing scroll]

AP is garbage upon damaging dd;s

[urban coral]

well, that may be true but AP shells have low damage against low armor ships

[blazing scroll]

Besides the HE can set a ship on fire which is bonus dmg

[urban coral]

^

[prisma vessel]

Im trying to set iron blood fleet just to have a diff pvp fleet aside from royal navy fleet. Assuming theyre all maxed. Is this good?

[urban coral]

but if you're using someone like Edinburgh (who has a skill that grants bonus damage when using AP shells), you can opt for AP shells

[blazing scroll]

Any particular reason to use iron blood?

[urban coral]

ironblood is pretty underwhelming atm. Z fleet is nice in pve but it won't go that far in pvp

[prisma vessel]

Nothing. Just saw some synergies and also to try something different aside from royal navy

[azure aurora]

For fun ofc, wasd and hakaga too boring

before nagato come

[blazing scroll]

Then it's like Blitz said

[prisma vessel]

Yes. For fun as well

Speaking of, when is nagato event?

Also need her for sakura team comp

[urban coral]

it's not yet announced I think

[prisma vessel]

Which is better for pvp, foxes or crane sisters?

[urban coral]

foxes, although the crane sisters can be annoying at times

[azure aurora]

Better using E than crane

At least e can nuke enemy

[odd schooner]

You can use Eldridge against cranes and that's 2 backline atk gone to oblivion

[urban coral]

goddammit I still need to level Eldridge

[modern tree]

I think mag torps single handedly made offensive frontlines good so "need" for Eldridge sounds like an exaggeration

Might just be HMS tho

Running Edinburgh Leander Belfast has exceeded my expectations, with Edinburgh tanking lucky es and Belfast matching my battleships in damage

[odd schooner]

I stopped making all rounder fleet and just deal big walls with hardcounters

The only irritating part is to move around boilers

[modern tree]

I think you can run any backline with Juneau Eldridge Belfast still just because the health advantage on top of 20% attacker damage wins on its own, but that's really boring

I have had way more fun and success with clowny stuff than I ever anticipated, but again, might just be QE buff making it work

[odd schooner]

I haven't actually used Eldridge in battle yet. She's still on books and dorm

Was waiting for a legit reason to play her

[odd schooner]

Missed 2 atks

[hollow spindle]

Missed 20 attacks this season

[elder crane]

There's only been 40 so far, so literally half!

[serene knot]

so, if the meta is like sodak + enty + wash on the backline with a tanky frontline... is there any counter to that? or should i really invest on those ships along with belfast or something

[modern tree]

you can just play QE Hood Warspite and smash them, but aside for that there probably arent many options unless akaga with Aurora is strong enough to kill the frontline in one strike by now which they shouldnt be

investing in either will leave you with 2 good boats and one questionable in tems of pve

but if you want a straight counter to this meme, I find royal navy with stalling front to win all but the unluckiests of games, and any other frontline have very high winrate regardless since all you have to do is either survive first lucky e or get 2 hood barrages back to back which isnt astronomically low odds

[wise summit]

I'm running Akaga E with Belfast/Ayakai/Aurora right now, highly reliable against the field

Replacing Belfast with Jintsuu once I have her finished

Magtorps make the whole thing

Wouldn't run it without them

Non-Belfast frontlines are completely gone by the first strike, Belfast ones just barely

[lofty smelt]

^that's what I'll be running when I get Jintsuu/Aurora leveled. Does so much damage so fast. The vanguard doesn't do great against foxes tho.

[wise summit]

Still subject to some RNG like dropping the torpedo load on the other side of the screen than the enemy frontline

[flint yarrow]

@prisma vessel Arora counters your entire fleet rip

[prisma vessel]

Aurora counters everyone in pvp

[wise summit]

Aurora is strong because it's just a guaranteed effect and if your opponent was running a CA they were going to lose anyway

[lofty smelt]

^

But true.

[topaz beacon]

not like anyone would run a CA in pvp

unless they just memeing

[vague token]

im running minn offense and she's doing all right

usually because her heal procs during eldridge invuln

wouldnt do it on defense though

lot of bulk with juneau/minn/eldridge

[real notch]

anyone maxed jintsuu yet?

[hot creek]

need like a minimum of like 10 days to max both skills

and thats if you're refreshing t3 books perfectly

200 affinity would take awhile too but i imagine can do it quick if you no life. skills are the real time gate

I would do it honestly but im still stuck at D1 farming mag quad

[coral wren]

need 3 more bps and i'm free

[hot creek]

might not even be able to finish a mag quad before the event ends, RNG so fucking shit

[coral wren]

you have 5 days to finish it

how many do you have rn

[hot creek]

9/15.

shit is cancer though, last event it took me two weeks farming a bofors, 8 hours a day

[coral wren]

well, i guess if you farm it 24/5 you will make it

But yeah, rng is shit there

if not those shitty 1 bp drops, it would be much much easier

[hot creek]

Oh I got plenty of backup fuel and 2nd floor so I will be grinding til the bitter end

even at the risk of ending up at 14/15 as event ends

[coral wren]

oof, that would suck

[real notch]

yea just her main skill 10 is fine

i meant maxed like level 100 200 affection

it took me 10 days to fully max aurora

but if i 1:1 MVP farm the 200 affection should come faster

[odd schooner]

@hot creek i just started today

1/15

[hot creek]

lmao. I don't think it's possible to finish that at this point unless you have godly luck.

[odd schooner]

It's ok I'm raising both aurora and jints on d1 now

[hot creek]

what level are they ?

im thinking of diong the same

[odd schooner]

95 jints 84 aurora

[hot creek]

ok nvm. mine are only like 65 each. probably can't handle 5 nodes lol

[real notch]

my aurora is fully maxed

my jintsuu is level 52

[hot creek]

dat multiwindow. can you get both apps active at the same time or does one "pause" when the other is active?

[odd schooner]

New update on android lets both screen work at the same time now

It doesn't work few months ago

[hot creek]

9.0?

what's your phone's manufacturer?

[hot creek]

must be manufacturer specific

im on 8.1 too but i have stock android feelsbadman

apparently im gonna have to wait til Android 10.0 for true multitask lul

[hushed kayak]

is an HMS backline a good idea or what is better?

or should i be running fox wifes

or wash/sd

[real notch]

hms is a good backline

foxes are also good

wash/sd are former best

[hot creek]

They say the meta is sodakshington but HMS is still as reliable as ever and imo, a better pick for the long run since the core Hood/QE will still be relevant in the future. If you really want to be future proof though, Foxes are going to dominate the meta once Nagato comes out.

but idk how Foxes do against FW atm. I hear its kind of sketchy

[real notch]

meta is in interim period atm because of recent key additions of aurora and jintsuu

it's unclear what the optimal fleet at the moment

[charred sable]

we're still lvl 100 cap

JP and CN are not accurate references

[hushed kayak]

well rn hood is level 100

[real notch]

if i were to take a guess, i would assume the best fleet in EN is currently
wasd e
twinfox + aurora jintsuu belfast

[hushed kayak]

sadly no aurora and jintsuu

[real notch]

aurora and jintsuu are guaranteed to shake the meta, it's just not clear in exactly what way

[charred sable]

shake, but not stir

[hot creek]

they're going to shake the meta by being annoying to face against

[real notch]

HMS and wasd fleets are still safe picks

[hushed kayak]

i could use any of the fleets

[hot creek]

if those opening torps don't nuke your vanguard, they'll be crippling your backline

[real notch]

i can tell u aurora is already changing the usage of juneau

[hushed kayak]

im still trying for aurora

[real notch]

and a couple of other DDs like fortune, ayanami, eldridge

[hushed kayak]

cause im gonna prob do aurora, leander, belfast with qe, hood, warspite

[real notch]

jintsuu is a difficult ship to get, and you won't see maxed jintsuus for probably another 2 weeks

early people will get them out into PVP within 1 week

i think i got my aurora out 1 week after KMS event opened

[hushed kayak]

damn

[dry socket]

PvP leaderboard's got a few showoffs currently

and leveling should take a week, if not less, if you know what you're doing

[real notch]

as for my jintsuu, i should have her out in PVP by Jan 1st

and i'll be doing early testing as soon as i can

i'll post my results in this channel when i do

i mean i saw a guy called Blazing with a married 5 star jintsuu

[hushed kayak]

i need 2 more gold bulins for sd

[real notch]

that is probably level 100 by now

so really you'll see jintsuus if u get lucky even now

[hot creek]

Jintsuu Auroura is going to be doing a lot more on defense than offense. shits gonna be annoying

ill be setting them on defense with ayanami and HMS backline lul

[real notch]

jintsuu will make torps more consistent provided they land

of course there are matches where all 13 torps literally hit nothing

[hushed kayak]

juneau is a must in def fleets for pvp?

[foggy token]

rip

[real notch]

so really that comp will still have inconsistency

[foggy token]

u can use juneau for offense

[real notch]

oh hey aristya

[foggy token]

juneau is a good aa platform and heal

yes inazuma

[real notch]

nothing just saying hi

[foggy token]

lol hi

[hushed kayak]

so wasd is better than hms backline?

[vague token]

hms is reliable on offense

[real notch]

ye wasd is better

[vague token]

through sheer stats

[real notch]

i would say wasd is objectively better than HMS backline

[vague token]

but defense it kinda is eh cause lack of positioning

[hushed kayak]

i mean i do have qe and hood skills maxed

[real notch]

it's just the distribution of stats and versatility of matchups

[vague token]

wasd is extremely durable and has a flex position for whoever

[real notch]

wasd is a big fat wall no fleet can easily climb

[hushed kayak]

rn im doing the basic hms team

[real notch]

wasd really has no big weaknesses

god tier AA

[hushed kayak]

im tempted to get javelin retrofit for eva memes

[vague token]

pity QE doesnt buff aviation/air damage

xD

[real notch]

insane synergy

big fat 16k HP hp pools

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CnHu3/0afc8e7d08.png uw0tm8

[real notch]

with the benefits of SSR stats

[vague token]

oh, guess she did

[hot creek]

pity she doesnt buff accuracy u mean

like the op af nagato

[hushed kayak]

yea qe buffs nearly everything

[vague token]

xD

[real notch]

it's funny even with QE buff

YKKZ is still used more than fortune

power creep

[vague token]

almost like ykkz is more durable or something

and has a minor emergency heal

[hushed kayak]

im gonna start working on akaga skills in classroom

also ykkz?

[vague token]

yukikaze

[real notch]

yukikaze

[hushed kayak]

ah

[real notch]

[vague token]

While alive in fleet, reduce damage received by the backline by 3.5% (8%). Once per battle, when any ship in the backline drops below 20% health, heals said ship for 4% (10%) of their max HP.

[hushed kayak]

shes now out in na though?

[vague token]

5% (25%) chance to activate when taking damage: decreases said damage to 1.

[real notch]

nah

[vague token]

no

[grave gale]

fuck you erebus. I'm still farming for my Jintsuu

[vague token]

lol

[real notch]

LOOOL

[grave gale]

[real notch]

i was hoping you didn't notice

[grave gale]

Nearing run 90 now

[real notch]

so i could give u hope

yeah i got jintsuu last day

i almost did a backflip when she dropped freal tho

[grave gale]

rng is being mean to me

was really hoping to get it christmas but nope

[vague token]

ill just wait until danger w/e it's called

[real notch]

oof

danger is in 2 days i believe

[vague token]

yeah

might get nich now too

[real notch]

u can do it lunar

just 1 more run

[lean flower]

So, I'm a bit confused on how pvp works (trying to take it a little more seriously now that I have a few good boats)

let's say I'm a rank 1395 major atm, which one of these do I fight?

[grave gale]

I guess it's only fair. I got aurora easily while you struggled to hell for her

[real notch]

@lean flower leftmost one

[vague token]

left always lol

[grave gale]

If I had the oil for 1 run.

[hushed kayak]

jintsuu kai out too or no?

[real notch]

ye jintsuu kai is out

[lean flower]

so you always want to be targeting the left most one, even after resets?

[hushed kayak]

so pretty much i should use jintsuu and ayanami together

[real notch]

LOL oh i didn't even know how fast you got aurora

yea u can @hushed kayak

[vague token]

jintsuu is like dorsetshire

but not selfish

[real notch]

i personally don't really like ayanami tho

[vague token]

which makes her waaaaay better

[hushed kayak]

i need to get to chapter 10 lol

[real notch]

because you're sort of relying on her opening torps for the big impact plays

orelse she'll just get melted by 14 sec fox strike + aurora

and even if she survives u have to sort of pray her 20 sec barrage hits something

[hushed kayak]

even with level 10 demon dance skill lol

[real notch]

but it's not magnetic so

[vague token]

ill just get ready for CA meta in 6 months

[real notch]

inconsistently is big thing with ayanami

[vague token]

or w/e

[hushed kayak]

i can give her mag torp

[real notch]

even if you do, her barrage torps will stay non-mag

[vague token]

note that defensive torps

are a lot more scary

because of positioning

mag torps will sneak over to main fleets

[grave gale]

@real notch I got her in literally 11 pulls after switching to light construction.

[hushed kayak]

if i just level ayanami's skills to 10 she'll be fine xD

as well as use jintsuu

[real notch]

well she's still a top tier plya

it's just personally i'm not a big fan of ayanami

i just like consistency ships

like aurora's guaranteed buff and jintsuu guaranteed buff

and belfast guaranteed buff

and no stupid lucky REEs

[grave gale]

Eldridge worked good for with Aurora and Belfast. I wonder if Jintsuu will work better or worse

More damage but vanguard won't live as long

[real notch]

ye i was surprised too when i tested eldridge with aurora and found out how effective

tho i think i would rather replace eldridge than belfast

with jintsuu

well i'll end up doing both anyways

just to see which one works better

[vague token]

i wonder if we'll ever get a CA with MGM+1 and Aux + w/e

for pvp fun times

[real notch]

i am excited for CAs too actually

[vague token]

ive been seeing my minn hit 14-15k sometimes

i wanted to use black heart but her base hp isnt worth it and no MGM+1

and her skill is 40% timed for no reason

instead of on shot

it's not like the barrage even benefits from tricolor order

tricolor only applies to main gun

xD

[coral wren]

I want good kms planes 😦

[hushed kayak]

so nagaka or wasd?

[hot creek]

go with what your heart desires.

[azure aurora]

Nakaga ofc

but you need nagato

[hushed kayak]

im working my way to jintsuu

nagato should be soon for EN shouldnt she?

[azure aurora]

I think not, or people will riot

[hushed kayak]

why riot?

[azure aurora]

Most people waste cube in chess

[hushed kayak]

oof

[azure aurora]

Either for graf or z46

[hushed kayak]

i have been trying for aurora instead of the kms ships

[azure aurora]

Aurora is myth

[hushed kayak]

yup

god i hate how you need to do a node 4 times to complete it

[azure aurora]

Spamming 60 cube at first day aurora ,only sandi and Belfast

And after that 16 cube every week

[hushed kayak]

getting belfast more than aurora :c

[azure aurora]

Not counting "i feel lucky" pull

[hushed kayak]

i really should have leveled the crane sisters for bosses

[hot creek]

I got three Belfasts and five Sandies before Aurora

[azure aurora]

Why crane ?

[hushed kayak]

arent they good for bosses?

[lofty smelt]

Not really compared to other options at least

[azure aurora]

Ark royal and E better

And +damage received when together is joke

Don't remember zui or shou skill is that

[hushed kayak]

ark royal :P

havent leveled her

im using hms team for bosses

[azure aurora]

Ark royal hms too

[hushed kayak]

but unicorn heal is so good

[azure aurora]

For 10-4 i using unicorn, 9-4 ark royal

Diff type boss

[hushed kayak]

i might get akashi in eventually

[azure aurora]

Now i don't really know if dark ark royal just skin, retrofit, or new ship

[hushed kayak]

we should prob move chats

[azure aurora]

If retrofit maybe i can use her to pvp

Don't worry as long we not too far off topic

[hushed kayak]

pvp gear can work in pve right?

[azure aurora]

Yes

[hushed kayak]

good

[azure aurora]

Diff between pvp and pve eq only oil tank, pearl, and HE eq for cl

[odd schooner]

@real notch still haven't tried jintsuu aurora Eldridge?

My eld skill still lvl 7 so idk if i can test her already

[real notch]

nop

my jintsuu isn't ready yet

hbu

[odd schooner]

3 more lvls but 2nd skill is still lvl 1

[real notch]

[slow totem]

That Pepecopter cracked me up.

[odd schooner]

[coral wren]

Fuck yeah, bye bye d1 grind

[odd schooner]

Jintsuu aurora Eldridge seems to be working

Then just swap eld with Belfast if enemy is fox

Also hair extension lmao

[slow totem]

How did you time that?

[odd schooner]

Just coincidence

[livid fractal]

Still no Aurora for me

Don't know how many times I've got Bel and Sandy

[azure aurora]

[livid fractal]

[azure aurora]

Will 50 build again at new year

Hope no sandy this time

[slow totem]

“U called?”

[azure aurora]

Begone

[slow totem]

[odd schooner]

@livid fractal it's ok fren you will get her soon

[slow totem]

Define ‘soon’, brudder

[livid fractal]

I'll probably have her next year

[rose moat]

This fleet is 9000- 7000

With lucky E I can beat ~10500 fleets and still level up ships

[lone pendant]

lol

[ionic magnet]

hi any advice on whats the best gun for warspite?

[slow totem]

The usual.
Twin 410mm for PvP
MK6 406mm for PvE

[ionic magnet]

👌

[lone pendant]

warspite pve

[slow totem]

BELLI DURA DESPACITO

[elder crane]

Warspite is pretty decent for PvE, few CL secondary gun ships aren't.

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CnVxt/ea6395ba6c.png that breaking point though 👌 👌

[grave gale]

.ugh. 6 days without Jintsuu now. Approaching run 100

One of the worst stages to have bad luck with due to how much oil it costs

[hot creek]

I'll send some ship drop luck you way. ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

now if only I could get some equip drop luck.

[native mantle]

with QE and hood for mainfleet. any iable options that i can use instead of dork?

*viable

[hot creek]

warspite's the only real meta option with HMS atm

i've seen some people use substitutes like Ark Enty or Lusty but idk how far that will take you.

[native mantle]

so nelson, rodney or renown are no options?

[modern tree]

Oh man what a question to ask, let me tell you about hms

[native mantle]

i wouldn't ask if i know everything^^

[hot creek]

let him write, he's probably about to post a wall of text

[native mantle]

i assumed so much^^

[hot creek]

daxam right now: https://puu.sh/CnWDH/fd879fefa0.png

[hushed kayak]

so york's retrofit, sound pretty good for pvp?

[native mantle]

dork or yorktown?

[hushed kayak]

heavy york

[hot creek]

the skill seems pretty good. she's a torp CA though so rip.

[hushed kayak]

wait her retro should make her a gun boat though?

cause it says secondary gun

[modern tree]

Rodney, Nelson and Ark are useable, but they feel frail due to how unfocused and a bit random their damage is. If you can wipe front with them, they work, if they get stalled out, rip.

Enterprise works because it's Enterprise, good transition ship, kills front more reliably than the above picks, skill makes her tanky. It's all around good.

Lusty is a meme, you can time her strike to help with Enterprise which is not entirely useless, if your hood can sink ships before her lack of damage becomes a liability. I have not tested extensively. Mileage may vary.

Renown will never have enough time to ramp up damage and randomness of her shelling will just make her overall lack of stats a liability.

You can probably just slap any other strong backline like wash if you don't have a better option, but then why are you running QE.

Can't really think of any other HMS ships that can fit the bill. HMS have not had a real update since Research for Monarch and Nep so meta is and probably will stay between Hood Monarch Dork and Warspite if you are feeling adventurous.

[hot creek]

oh i just re-read york's retro skill again. its bad lol

[hushed kayak]

cause she doesnt have a secondary gun?

[hot creek]

seems so. she's a torp CA

and that skill only apply to secondary gun

i thought it apply to main gun at first

[native mantle]

@modern tree so QE+enty+hood should work?

[hot creek]

why do people hate lolibaba so much

just embrace the Belli dura despicio and use the HMS fleet in full glory.

[modern tree]

It will win games. It wont be much weaker, it will make you hate seeing Eldridge more than you already do

[elder crane]

Ark Royal actually can work, it's just that she can get soft countered even more so than Enty

Her slow is incredibly helpful for getting your mk6 BB shots to hit faster enemy frontlines

I guess with Hood though, it might not be that good... hm...

[modern tree]

I don't think you can get Ark to launch before 20 even with Fulmar so you either accept Hood won't be making use of it and leave it to QE or make a choice that makes absolutely no sense and don't use 410 or advanced fcr

[elder crane]

I ran WASD(with mk6s)+Ark for a while and it worked decently, better than Enty if not facing Enty and/or Eld - but that high ranks, many teams have the two, which ends up being an issue for that team.
Fastest Ark actually launches right after mk6+FCR timing, and right before mk6 base timing for that team.

[modern tree]

Ark is better with wasd yea. It will be much better when people start running Jintsuu Aurora shit

[hushed kayak]

ark is better than enty with jintsuu and aurora?

how about wasd with hood?

[modern tree]

Ark will be better when people will drop stalling ships, which were the only option until now, in favour of agressive torpedo things

[elder crane]

Yeah, WASD Hood and WASD Ark aren't popular since they lose mirror to WASDE

[hot creek]

whats the optimal loadout for ark anyways?

[elder crane]

For her slow, double gold barra and fulmar to get her rld to the same as mk6s

[modern tree]

Barracudas and Comet if you run it with 406 on bbs

Or was Comet too slow

[elder crane]

Comet means slow is after first shot

after 2nd shot for the advanced FCR, I think

[modern tree]

Right, so dreams of Comet being useful for something are already dead

[elder crane]

Or you can use her to nuke ships with converging torps

[modern tree]

Barracudas are so much more touchdown damage tho

[elder crane]

It's with a different goal in mind, conv torps nuke the frontline and/or focus in on one backline ship

[modern tree]

Dunno if converging are ever worth it due to slow takeoff that comboes with nothing. I guess they might be if they end up killing, but why not just run akaga for that

[elder crane]

Combos with Helena still.
Though I mostly agree, that was my conclusion on converging torp Ark too, I guess she takes up just one ship slot? Not sure if it's really worth it.

And Eld just ruins your day

[vague token]

ark helps CAs a bit more once eldridge goes away, cause aiming CA guns is hard due to their limited firing angles.

[hushed kayak]

who are good ships to use for pvp?

[modern tree]

Your fleet moving messes up CA targeting too. Guns that are currently on EN tend to just fire straight forward due to super slow target acquisition. Or just have bad damage like 203 advanced

Research soon maybe

It will shake things up

[elder crane]

Most teams right now are based around one of:
Washington+South Dakota
Akagi+Kaga
Queen Elizabeth+Hood

[hushed kayak]

frontline

[elder crane]

Either survivability or torpedoes is the usual go-to for frontline

[modern tree]

Geez, phones

[elder crane]

Belfast vs Foxes,
Eld vs Enterprise/mk6 gun BBs
Juneau just generally (she should die first)
Fortune to protect backline
Cygnet/Leander vs enemy torpedos

Cleveland for a solid ship, or Edinburgh instead for HMS teams

[modern tree]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B-kGGh6rHk7PlXQDkAl8bOGPUMp0oncVFeJAzSjdEgg

This is accurate for the most part if you just want quick and dirty rundown on what is used

[hushed kayak]

can you dm that link to me?

[native mantle]

@modern tree if i run QE+hood+enty. is it then even worth to switch enty for dork later?

[modern tree]

yes

BB's perform better all around and Dork is insane

especially riding QE buff

[slow totem]

@hybrid obsidian Aurora really was a glass cannon, died to a single round of shelling.

She’s a glass cannon that makes other ships more glass cannon

[modern tree]

And to emphacise how dumb dork is, Barrage is 100% chance every 20 seconds and everyone hit by her shots takes 12% more damage. Why even consider Enterprise if you can have that on steroids

[idle python]

the barrage doesn't do much damage it's just there for the debuff

which is still nice obv

[modern tree]

it slows which lines up with her 406 shots

and first shot deals 50% more damage too

poor Warspite

[slow totem]

Is Dork a Royal Corgi? Checkmate.

[odd schooner]

Corgi a warpsite

[coral wren]

are you using double 410 on hms?

or 410/406

[slow totem]

Twin 410mm for maximum timing and anti-eldridge cucking

[coral wren]

do you switch for 406 if there is cucky-e?

[slow totem]

Nope, 410mm all da way for anti-E

[edgy kiln]

406 is bad against E

[coral wren]

Wow, interesting, 2 times got unlucky with eldirdge procs on enemy lucke-e with helena debuff

15% my ass

[slow totem]

FeelsRNGman

Sometimes 15% feels like 140% and 70% feels like -9001%

[coral wren]

If rngjesus was real i’d crucify him myself immediately

[azure aurora]

I know that feeling 100% sure that hood

[nocturne sorrel]

[vestal crypt]

Now i sleep. Bye

[coral wren]

Would

Akagi + Kaga + Enterprise on pvp work?

I mean i need a third ship to add on Akagi & Kaga on fleet.

[odd schooner]

@wise summit you got customer

[coral wren]

I currently have Hood, Prince of Wales, Warspite, Enterprise, Graf, Tirpitz

[blazing scroll]

I'd say put a hood in there

But enty can work too

[coral wren]

Because enty has big E and Akagi Kaga are op

[wise summit]

huh?

Akagi/Kaga/E is excellent, especially with the new torpedo frontlines and Aurora

E is so strong people run Eldridge specifically to counter her but you remove Eldridge in the opening volley/fox strike

Hood is also a good option but I don't think quite as strong

I'll give a trip report once I finish leveling and skillbooking Jintsuu, planning to run Akagi/Kaga/E Aurora/Aya/Jint

[modern tree]

Problem with Enterprise is that having 3 maxed sets of planes with oil tanks and catapults is not something you'd just have laying around. Myself, I dont even have 3 bananas to use and Hood helps a bit dealing with opposing Enterprise. Akaga still feels a little weak even with Aurora tho. Need to land a lot of torps for it to wipe everything.

[wise summit]

Oh, yeah, if you don't have enough equipment to kit 3 CVs but you do have enough to maximise 2 CVs and a BC then do Hood as your 3rd

In my experience the only time you don't wipe the enemy frontline is if your torpedo volley completely whiffs

[glossy jay]

fuckin heck i missed pvp battles again

[spiral hull]

Still missing my first gold cuda :L

[glossy jay]

[modern tree]

Good thing Amagi and Kaga (BB) is on the horizon then

[outer stump]

All CL should use tbtsk even in PvP except for Belfast?

[hot creek]

not really. belgun is better in current meta cause we mostly use light ship

also less chances to proc enemy eldridge. and it does burn damage

[outer stump]

So I should use belgun in PvP for every CL?

[hot creek]

I would if I could.

[outer stump]

Oh

Is Deutschland good in pvp?

Even she is CA but she got a nice skill

[modern tree]

Hard to tell how good she could be. I will test it at some point, but I just finished my Z Vanguard and now I am busy with Aurora and Jintsuu

Definitely not using her signature gun tho

She might be able to output enough damage to work? She is still a CA and we still don't really have a good HE gun for those, just an acceptable one

[zenith tundra]

amagi akaga inc new best pvp formation lol

[modern tree]

I guess I called it

[outer stump]

Amagi?

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Amagi

she looks god tier pvp

[outer stump]

And wait Deutschland doesn't have a good efficiency for HE guns?

@zenith tundra I thought it was someone from EN...

[zenith tundra]

hood barrage + dmg reduction to main fleet + debufs

[modern tree]

It's more about EN not having good HE gun for CAs

[outer stump]

Oh I see

Guess the meta will go whit CL's

[modern tree]

We have 203 mounted that's okay for pve but it has very slow target acquisition so it tends to shoot at nothing in pvp

[outer stump]

But is St. Louis good for pvp?

[modern tree]

Just straight forward, then goes on cool down for 5 second

[outer stump]

Or Aurora

[zenith tundra]

amakaga with jintsuu aya aurora

[outer stump]

What is special about Jintsuu?

[modern tree]

Aurora is very good, Louis probably not

[zenith tundra]

torpedo buffs

so aya can wipe the floor with stuff

[modern tree]

Jintsuu takes 20% less damage and makes all classes that are used in pvp ridiculous

With reload and torpedo buff

[outer stump]

Im not into torps that much... They deal good burst if they are landed but it's hard

Only if you get an IronBlood torp

Which doesn't have that much damage than the other ones

[zenith tundra]

i got lucky and got another quint gold from boxes

[modern tree]

You only really use magnetic torpedoes

In pvp

[outer stump]

But I think it's just a few minor numbers low

[modern tree]

No reason not to

[zenith tundra]

are kaga bb torp homing or normal? does anyone know

[modern tree]

She came out yesterday so finding info about her might be tricky

[zenith tundra]

ok i guess

[outer stump]

Why everyone is talking about an BB Kaga?

Is there an BB whit the same name?

I'm confused a little

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Kaga_(Battleship)

[outer stump]

Things went wrong for me

[modern tree]

People are talking about it because we get content that released on other servers with only 2 week delay

Rather exciting

[outer stump]

It will be new story content?

Or this update will be only for JP/CN servers?

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Crimson_Echoes

it's gonna to be released on 10th on en

just came out on jp/cn

[outer stump]

An BB Kaga

It's strange a little

As long as we have an CV Kaga

[lofty smelt]

Wait are we getting Crimson Echoes this soon? lol

[zenith tundra]

yep

[lofty smelt]

F. Sick, but also F.

Because more boats to level

[modern tree]

Muh purins

[zenith tundra]

i need sr to level

[outer stump]

Why I'm the only one behind here

[zenith tundra]

i'm sitting on 7 gold purrins

[lofty smelt]

I'm not done with Jintsuu or Aurora yet, but I guess I'll be using them regardless

[zenith tundra]

i still don't have aurora

[modern tree]

You are behind probably because you have not played for couple of hours a day since August like some of us

[lofty smelt]

What are fleets going to look like with Amagi?

[zenith tundra]

ijn build for sure

[lofty smelt]

Jintsuu/Aya/Aurora frontline, what backline

[modern tree]

Akaga with her and torp memes probably

[zenith tundra]

that 45% reduction on 1st strike is insane

[lofty smelt]

This is going to be such a dank meme

[modern tree]

Until we get nagato and we use her with nagato and bb kaga

[outer stump]

I just started at September

At the end of Z Force event

[lofty smelt]

Same

[zenith tundra]

i started in august but didn't play daily till september

[modern tree]

Oh you, guys

[outer stump]

I play daily even now but I wasn't asked anyone about the game since October... I just did all the thing in my own

Like I maxed the quadruple BB gun for hood because it had more shells and more damage

But never expected that she needed more reload

[zenith tundra]

i'm wondering why does helena get a jp skin in this event

[lofty smelt]

Because it's cute

[zenith tundra]

she definitely looks good

[outer stump]

What do you think about Tripitz?

[zenith tundra]

for pvp?

[outer stump]

Yeah...

[zenith tundra]

she's hard to put with anyone tbh

[modern tree]

You can meme her with Akagi and Kaga, it's probably not bad

[zenith tundra]

even with graf there aren't many choices for ironblood fleets

[outer stump]

But for pve it's a better solo ship

But she is the same as Hyuuga

When it comes to fp

[zenith tundra]

she's good but remember that hood and washy have barrages that actually clear the screen

[outer stump]

Well ik

The game is Azure of barrages

[zenith tundra]

i prefer torpedoes

i like aya and all the broken torp ships

[outer stump]

Idk they are hard to land most of the times

If I could play in exercises it could've be much easier

[modern tree]

You can also do other creative things like Tirp with Ark and something else, hit very hard, get rekt by Eldridge

But it's probably all just clowny things you do for fun, not to win

[outer stump]

I use Hornet as second CV damager

Together whit Enterprise

[zenith tundra]

i saw torpedoes with jintsuu aya and belfast destroy vanguards before u even land 1st airstrike with akaga

and my jintsuu didn't have 2nd skill

[outer stump]

I should take Jintsuu too but is that hard to farm her?

I mean her droprate is that slow?

[zenith tundra]

easier with danger level but still oil consuming

[outer stump]

I actually played over 500 matches for Deutschland

An elite ship

[zenith tundra]

i got her in like 15 10-4 so i got lucky

[modern tree]

If you don't have stacked dock you are likely to dump like 400 oil per run before you get the danger level down

Which takes 10 runs after 3 stars

So thats gonna be costly as fuck

[outer stump]

Well I will try 2:2 if I can

[zenith tundra]

yeah i had to run lusty in 10-4 normal enemies because minne/laffy/phoenix was getting destroyed

[outer stump]

But for the first I need to unlock the stage... I have 10-3 20% completed

[zenith tundra]

jintsuu fight is easier than yukikaze imo

[outer stump]

But God damn the clear all enemies star is insane like hell

[modern tree]

I managed to get her before danger level for 347 per run but its still expensive and also probably really hard to do without playtime that I have

[zenith tundra]

i loved my akashi in w10 clears

[outer stump]

It's possible to farm 2:2?

[zenith tundra]

the heal and extra ammo was great

[outer stump]

I mean whit Yorktown flagship I think you should do pretty good

[modern tree]

I cleared it 3:1

[zenith tundra]

i run a 2:3 mostly for normal enemies because i had a lot of oil

[outer stump]

And an BB to guard her a little

[modern tree]

You can probably do 2:1 at minimum danger

[zenith tundra]

i find hood or washy to be best at clearing out stuff

hood especially

[modern tree]

Or just suck it up and manual

[outer stump]

I made the danger level for 6-4 and 8-4 today

Now I will wait to store some oil then going back to 10-3 then 10-4

But I have a question... How many times you need to clear 10-4 to complete the map? ,

8 times?

[zenith tundra]

i just spent 5k oil on food because i have too much... how much do u guys play? i spent like 4hrs per day and always full on oil

[modern tree]

6 for 100% I think, getting 3 stars is really tough

[outer stump]

How much time u afk'ed the game?

[zenith tundra]

i think it's 6 times

[lofty smelt]

I play during events mostly, so I'm usually overstocked on oil. I'll do matches most of the time and level for whatever meta, but that's usually it

[outer stump]

I can't stay even for one day whitout doing daylies

[zenith tundra]

i manual mostly tbh do all dailies and farm a bit for poi and levels

[outer stump]

U've bought the oil packs?

[zenith tundra]

i never spent gems on oil