pvp

[grave gale]

eldridge can keep her alive for too long and like daxam said, you watch your backline slowly die while praying Juneau sinks to save you.

especially bad with foxes because foxes are so fragile

almost guaranteed to lose a fox before Juneau dies.

[zenith tundra]

i see her mostly with wasd

also since i use foxes she's not a priority for me

my juneau is still lv24

[empty sinew]

hehe foxes

• vanguards running out of Bel's smokescreen

hehe

[grave gale]

foxes aren't great for defense right now.

[zenith tundra]

is it bad that i don't use a defense fleet?

[grave gale]

not really

[zenith tundra]

i'm using 2 lv1 for fun

[grave gale]

a good defense mainly just slows people down. Which is most useful when you're rushing for admiral at the end of the season

[zenith tundra]

i guess i can put my wasd in defense then

maybe i'll get juneau too

what equip should i use as aux for bb in pvp? i have like no clue

[final juniper]

Wats a the pvp attack meta now

[empty sinew]

twin 127s the best i think

[grave gale]

wasd + enty, eldridge, something, something

[final juniper]

Eldrige is considered gd?

[grave gale]

gold twin 127 is best for the US BBs. Triple 155 otherwise.

[final juniper]

I thought she works best with lusty

[zenith tundra]

i was asking as auxiliary

[grave gale]

Eldridge doesn't need Lusty to proc and Lusty greatly hurts your damage

Better to bring an actual damage CV

[hot creek]

eldridge lusty is a meme.

[modern tree]

eldridge's skill is basically what pvp is about right now and she doesnt need lusty to guarantee using it

[empty sinew]

lusty's only good if the vanguard lives to smack opp's backline, but that is rarely the case in most battles

[grave gale]

wasd + hood is good too

[zenith tundra]

eldridge is kinda useless against akaga tho

[grave gale]

not many people use foxes anymore

[zenith tundra]

i just got mines so i have to use them

[grave gale]

Eldridge will definitely be kicked out of the meta when Nagato comes. She'll immediately die to the opening strike.

[empty sinew]

Belfast is the RNG solution to Foxes

[grave gale]

Belfast's first smoke screen isn't rng

guaranteed to mitigate the first hit.

[empty sinew]

hehe

pray they'll stay in the smokescreen bud

that's the RNG bit

[grave gale]

ah

[empty sinew]

if the girls chill in the smoke, then gg ez

[zenith tundra]

what's the meta after essex?

i'm curious because she's pure anti nakaga/enty

[empty sinew]

totally not related but always wonder what's flood damage?

[modern tree]

its a dot like fire

[hot creek]

sooo, you were saying earlier, boiler eldridge is a thing now?

[modern tree]

discaimer: I might put too much weight on speed as a stat due to bias

I think Boilers and Gyros are splendid pvp items and Eldridge with toolbox/boiler is what I always used and never really considered any other aux setup on her

[hot creek]

fixing edlridge's trash speed does seem pretty sensible.

I wonder how good gyros would be for the triple CL comp

[modern tree]

I ran gyro each on leander belfast juneau when I was using those, it seemed pretty effective at the time

been a while tho

[hot creek]

current rank: 694, leftmost opponent's rank: 372

not sure if I should attack

kinda sketched out

fuck it, ima attack and use the rest of my attacks in case I oversleep again

https://puu.sh/CaGmm/d2f9124c5d.png rip

[hybrid tendon]

haHAAA

LUCKY E

i decided to believe in the botes that believes in me

and not resetting

[hybrid tendon]

nah

she 1vs3

wasd and hood

with 2 lucky E back to back

[hybrid tendon]

a perfect akaga enty backline with 200 affection can only reach 12908

hmm

I'm thinking about replacing some helldivers with btd

[modern tree]

for what purpose

[grave gale]

12908? That sounds wrong. 12.8k is what you get with Hood and Hood has a higher power than Enty.

[grave gale]

Are you using double catapult?

[hybrid tendon]

ye

[grave gale]

That's why. Not optimal

[hybrid tendon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

double cata for the damage

there wont be enough AA for the planes to die

[grave gale]

It's pretty easy to destroy planes if you aren't using oil tanks.

[hybrid tendon]

oil tank is 30hp

I'd take that chance

[grave gale]

120

The 30 is a mistake

Remaining plane hp also determines kamikaze damage

[hybrid tendon]

whats what now

[grave gale]

Damage the plane does when it reaches their back

[hybrid tendon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

well it wouldnt hurt to get some +10 droptanks

I'll test it one of these days

also the enemy doesnt always have AA

for example when its down to backline vs backline

[grave gale]

Everybody says you do more with cata × tank in pvp instead of double cata

[hybrid tendon]

you would like double cata

for the damage

[grave gale]

Wasd + Juneau is very high AA

[hybrid tendon]

havent had much problem with them tbh

max 1 reset

[grave gale]

I've seen my fleet even pop lucky e planes. It's not easy to destroy those though.

Well it depends on their guns. Not everybody is running full gold bofor/roomba

[hybrid tendon]

well as I said

depends on multiple elements

if the enemy have good AA or not

also when its down to backline vs backline you would like more damage

[grave gale]

I'm fairly sure a good wasd fleet would mince your planes without the extra hp.

[hybrid tendon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grave gale]

Especially one like Recluse and his full roomba.

[hybrid tendon]

I have beaten 13.5k before

¯_(ツ)_/¯

anyone can beat anyone in pvp

its just how many resets

[untold folio]

jesus

you use oil tank

[slow totem]

What’s wrong with double cata? Or what’s wrong with Cata + Oil Tank? They both work.

If one way doesn’t work, just change equipment.

There is no complete black and white answer to gear equips.

Not everyone plays the game exactly as anyone else.

[icy wren]

they both work but one works better than the other

[slow totem]

Depends on the opponent as well.

If they have bad AA, Double Cata works better

It’s not a static environment in which you face the same kind of opponent all the time.

[icy wren]

doubt hes facing an opponent with trash aa

[slow totem]

You never know. Some defense fleet are built for big dicc numbers for intimidation purposes.

Like putting Gold BTD over Purple Helldivers for the numbers alone.

Or double FCR on every single BB.

[icy wren]

what does that have to do with bad aa

the best aa is gold aa so the big number thing doesnt matter

[slow totem]

It was a response to your statement that you doubt he was facing bad aa.

High level ranks doesn’t mean they all have good AA

they can have trash AAs.

[icy wren]

ye thats why i used the word doubt

[slow totem]

Fair enough.

[icy wren]

well tbh im guessing hes just trying to flex fleet power

since he was thinking about changing helldiver to gold BTD

[slow totem]

Perhaps, we can only assume. But he does want to swap out Purple Held- yeah

Or Gold Quad over Triple 406 mm

big dicc fleet power but empty inside.

[icy wren]

well going for that high fleet power is always tempting

[slow totem]

It does give a sense of intimidation, subconsciously or otherwise

Especially with the shiny hologram effect of Oaths.

More people than not will not know better and refrain from choosing to fight such fleet. Even though they actually have a good chance of winning.

[modest scarab]

Would replacing SD in WASDE for NC be better?

[icy wren]

nah i wouldnt

[modest scarab]

Does the the aircraft cover stacks with Fortune's?

[icy wren]

they already have high aa and one of washs skills is dependent on south dakota being there

[slow totem]

Yes, but I wouldn’t replace SD with NoCal.

I’d replace Enty with NoCal

Full BB Backline with monstrous AA that makes enemy airstrikes do tickle damage

[icy wren]

issue i found with full bb backline was well

salvos being retarded and missing

like actually missing not the hit stat

[slow totem]

That’s the con of a full bb backline, but can’t have it all.

Just try things out and pick your preferred playstyle. No composition is foolproof,

[modest scarab]

How well is it at taking the opposing backline?

[slow totem]

You have infinite resets anyway

Sometimes it deletes the backlines before the vanguard even dies

[icy wren]

literally depends on who you are facing

[slow totem]

Sometimes they miss everything, but these are two extremes

Usually it’s in the middle by personal experience

There’s also the chance of Washington not proccing her barrage throughout the fight. It’s rare, but it happens

[modest scarab]

SG or Air Radar for NC?

[slow totem]

It’s PvP. I do Double Air Radar, but putting in SG isn’t wrong.

Since my NoCal is for a niche use. Against 2-3 CV Backlines.

[modern tree]

if you are doing air radar for damage, dont, just use fcr like a normal person

[slow totem]

Being normal is boring.

[modern tree]

if you do it for AA, then go ahead

[slow totem]

Pick your definition of normal and try things out, Iri. What gives you the result you most prefer.

[modern tree]

hitting your shots is cool

[slow totem]

Seeing planes combusting and those that survive doing tickle damage is hilariously satisfying and it gives me a win

Win-Win

[modern tree]

I mean, you are doing it specyfically for AA against multiple CVs so I dont see anything wrong here

[slow totem]

Yea, as mentioned, Niche use.

[modern tree]

just doing Air Radars for damage from the passive is very short sighted since this damage will never matter if you miss your shots

[slow totem]

I don’t use NoCal against anything less than 2 CVs, her 1st skill is wasted,

Better put in Hood

[modest scarab]

I'm using same fleet for both defense and offense.

Stressing out how well it holds as defend.

It hasn't been that great for top thousands.

[slow totem]

Uh... defense fleet doesn’t actually defend your ranks.

[modest scarab]

Oh?

[slow totem]

Offense is where you want to strategize

For Defense, put whatever, tryhard? Ok. Meme? Ok.

[modern tree]

spoiler: while it might be giving someone trouble, attacker gets 20% damage bonus so no matter how strong your defense fleet is, they can probably topple it with just pure luck

[slow totem]

Can’t go wrong with either

Yea, what Dax said

[modest scarab]

I will at least be invested in giving someone trouble, then.

[slow totem]

So you pick the 1st option, that’s nice. I was doing that, but I am doing the 3rd one atm.

[modern tree]

and if you really want poeple to just waste their time fighting your fleet, Hiryuu will always win

[slow totem]

Maximum Jail Sentence

Hiryuu is like an independent SoDak

[modest scarab]

Now, does Fortune and NC stack?

[slow totem]

We answered before, yes, they stack

[modest scarab]

Alright, thank.

[slow totem]

No problem, fam.

Have a good match.

Donald’s seen some shit

[coral wren]

guys, ive wondered why when i finish all my exercises, the top 1 guy always has like 20-30 points higher than me, how did he do it

[modern tree]

The difference is farming points whole season. You can do that by waiting for your opponents to play their games first, creating a bigger point gap that awards more points when exercise is completed. Difference has to be about 35 points per one point bonus. Takes a lot of patience, luck and resetting your game.

On more competitive servers it might be necessary if you want admiral of the navy, on servers like Sandy, you can just play your games and be fine

[alpine finch]

You can lose 8 games on washy and still get top 5 if you play immediately the reset for admiral

[slow totem]

It holds true even in Lexington

I missed the DST Abuse period and still got Gensui.

As long as you win consistently and don’t miss too many matches, don’t worry too much about the rank up thing, not worth the hassle ans stress.

[latent lodge]

Got a second gold sg radar

Who should I put it on

First one is on good

Hood

The event sg radar is on queen because it would make hood proc Royal Navy before radar scan

[modern tree]

hood is on flagship and her base acc is weak so second sg on her might turn out rather good

[real notch]

@latent lodge either hood or QE

[latent lodge]

ok ty

[trail hollow]

Need advice on juneau aux

Trying to go with this team

[odd schooner]

Toolbox + Bulge

Or Boiler + Bulge

[trail hollow]

[odd schooner]

Are your procing eld skill oftenly?

[trail hollow]

Yeah usually when ent procs she does too

[real notch]

i personally use bulge and toolkit

[trail hollow]

But i keep switching with my akaga team sometimes and change vang too

[real notch]

i have no problems with her heal there

[trail hollow]

Guess i gotta max another bulge

[real notch]

also, you should not put eldridge in the middle

[trail hollow]

Tnx

[real notch]

if you want to increase your rainbow proc chance

[alpine finch]

i put her at the bottom

[odd schooner]

More or less juneau front Belfast mid Eldridge back

[alpine finch]

top for most safe

[trail hollow]

[real notch]

yea

[alpine finch]

juneau > eldridge > belfast priority

[real notch]

you want eldridge to take shots

but not torps

[trail hollow]

Well i wont be using that team till everything is maxed.. tnx again ill do just that

[real notch]

if your wasd + ent is 13.1k

you're already basically maxed

assuming BiS

[trail hollow]

BiS?

[real notch]

best in slot

so cata + fuek tank on ent

twin 410/triple 406mm purple

[trail hollow]

Ohh yep

Theyre all BiS

[real notch]

you're like

[odd schooner]

13266 to be exact

[real notch]

4 enhancements away

3-4

or maybe 2 max affections away

so that's why you're basically maxed

[trail hollow]

Yeah havent married ent

I usually use hood not ent

Just took a picture

For reference

[real notch]

ok

[trail hollow]

One sec

[real notch]

i believe max for wasd +hood is like

13.6k

[odd schooner]

Your ent is using double cata on the pic?

[real notch]

hmm he said he was BiS so prolly not

xd

[odd schooner]

13639

Nah, he's way up cause his enty isn't married

[real notch]

i forget how much marraige gives

i think it was like 44

[odd schooner]

+67 per 3%

[real notch]

or maybe that was rainbow dildo +1

[trail hollow]

What i use atm

[real notch]

yea that looks like a pretty solid team

what are your BB guns?

[trail hollow]

Still trying to max aff sodak

All 406

[real notch]

hmm

it might be a little weak to ent

[trail hollow]

Ooo pretty similar

[real notch]

you should put 410s

on 1-2 BBs

[trail hollow]

Ohh hood is 410

[real notch]

to counter ent and eldridge timing

[odd schooner]

Somewhere like this. Should be 12.6 excluding oxy on vanguard

[trail hollow]

And sodak has the event fire radar

I mean

Washy

Should i change her to 410?

[odd schooner]

You could run 3 410 too

[real notch]

my sodak has the HFCR

[odd schooner]

[real notch]

imo i recommend 1-2

[trail hollow]

Alryt

[real notch]

it all depends on current state of meta in ur server

more ents/eld? more 410s

[trail hollow]

Mmmm

[real notch]

more foxes? more 406s

[trail hollow]

Yeah

More ents elds

[real notch]

but if you use hood and fortune

that team should stomp on foxes

[odd schooner]

Avrora be like

[real notch]

so you don't need to itemize 406s

[trail hollow]

Sandy is chill atm with pvp

I guess more 410s it is

[real notch]

avrora is like

well

kinda hard to tell

we'll find out when gensui is attainable

[odd schooner]

2 out of 4 has Eldridge

[trail hollow]

1:2

[odd schooner]

Or 2 out of 4 has their wives slotted

[real notch]

yea

we should just have a pact where

everyone in this channel should put their max fleets on defense at 2200 points

that way we can find out what the meta is

more easily

[trail hollow]

[real notch]

[trail hollow]

Im still lvling them + a bunch of sandys

[odd schooner]

That was seiki's offensive fleet

[real notch]

those are some

strong ass lolis

[odd schooner]

He's almost done with Uzuki

[trail hollow]

[odd schooner]

Sp4 was a nice place to farm affection for them

[trail hollow]

My sandys lvling slowly but ill focus on them soon

[odd schooner]

A sandy army

[trail hollow]

Nothing ever goes wrong with having fun

Anyways

Tnx for the advice

Time to head back to farming

[real notch]

those sandys

[grave gale]

I decided to marry 4 more ships to have my full pvp fleet done.

[real notch]

🐳

i haven't married juneau and belfast

[grave gale]

only reason I work to begin with is to have luxury money (aside from paying utility bills of course)

[real notch]

LOL

[lime rivet]

Man of culture right there

[lone pendant]

lol

[elder crane]

So we've got:
Red hair
Green hair
White Hair
Chocolate
Lolicon
What else?

[idle python]

armpit fleet

[elder crane]

Ahh, how could I forget that

Tsundere fleet is probably also possible

[untold folio]

I should make a

ears fleet

[odd schooner]

Glasses fleet

some weird things we see on pvp list everyday

oh and the most important fleet.
the fleet with all ships renamed with nuke codes

[elder crane]

I wonder how many fleets I see everyday that I just get whooshed on and don't recognize the theme

[wise summit]

wink fleet

[lusty folio]

Wedding dress fleet?

[grave gale]

If you were to use the rainbow dildo on belfast, which aux do you take? Bulge or Repair Tools?

Took a long time to +10 everything but I did it. There's no way I'm gonna take the time to 200 affinity them all though.

Kind of tempted to use the dildo just to push the power over 12k for the vanguard. It's at 11.8k without it.

[odd schooner]

you dont have sg radar?

[grave gale]

Both Washington and South Dakota have one

Oh, you mean on the CLs? I'm not sure about that

[vague token]

bulge, you only lose 160 hp but the torp reduction is big

imo

[grave gale]

That's what I think too

[vague token]

like, assuming she gets hit by only 1 preloaded torp from another belfast

you should have blocked about 100-200

which means the net hp difference is already covered

any further torp hits easily cover the toolbox repair ticks

sadly, torp bulge has no effect on torp planes

which would be fun

xD

(for main fleet)

[grave gale]

If it did then people would put torp bulges on everybody. Even the backline.

[vague token]

could make it so you take more from dive bomber or something

[odd schooner]

gotta check the simple calc

[slow totem]

Calcium!

[odd schooner]

Excluding luck

With belfast lvl 100 stat

Kinda too simple but eh

[slow totem]

OwO

Bulge

[odd schooner]

ah wait i think i made some mistake

[vague token]

xD

[odd schooner]

[vague token]

filter adds that much EHP?

xD

[charred sable]

Radar also increases hit, don't forget

And that hit goes towards countering enemy evasion

[random kettle]

is the ehp of +%evasion stat gear calculated expecting standard or enhanced (FCR, Radar, etc.) enemy accuracy

and is the T0 Rudder's ehp calculation just [Total Damage over 20s]*0.03?

[odd schooner]

I checked the calc.
It only computes item hp and eva and didn't calculate other effects

Torp reduction sure is big
Eg. 1k Torp would just do 700

[pale flicker]

dafuq is eHP

[modern tree]

effective health points

as in

if you have 100 hp and take only 50% damage, its like having 200 hp

[charred sable]

Torpedo reduction is less relevant atm due to we only having straight and spread torpedoes

Once the German ship event comes and we get the homing rainbow torpedoes, all your vanguard will want to be wearing them

[elder crane]

What's the assumed enemy acc and luck on those values?

[slow totem]

This is hilarious.

[alpine finch]

thats un fortunate

[vague token]

that's rare lol

[real notch]

anyone know a player in Avrora called Essendre?

[odd schooner]

Nope

If name doesn't appear here means he's on local AL groups or reddit

I-it's not that I'm stalking or anything

[alpine finch]

[cedar crow]

Best comp i can make?

[grave gale]

Washington, South Dakota, Enterprise, Belfast, Juneau/Eldridge, Helena. Use 410mm on Washington and South Dakota instead of the triple 406 MK6 to avoid lucky e duels when you go up against enterprise.

[cedar crow]

No wash

[grave gale]

Oh. I thought I saw her there.

[bleak osprey]

my name in game isnt clevebae either tho

i guess i'm late to the conversation.

[cedar crow]

What about hms fleet?

& y maybe

[grave gale]

Your next best option is probably HMS. QE, Warspite, Hood, Eldridge, Retrofit Fortune, Belfast.

I've heard good things about using Eldridge in HMS instead of Juneau

[cedar crow]

Warspite & fortune arent max lvld tho

Alrighr

Thanks, ill work on fortune retro

And i meant max skill wise

[tight vessel]

i love preying on hms fleets for easy merits

[cedar crow]

Well idk

Theres also hood + akaga (i got best air equip for both)

[grave gale]

It's hard to judge fleets as a whole because most people aren't that geared.

[cedar crow]

Ive very nice gear

[grave gale]

and there's a massive difference somebody using BiS or not

+10 BiS that is

[cedar crow]

Akaga bith have +10 except aux

Btw what aux should i use on juneau?

With tear

[grave gale]

repair tools and torp bulge

no tear

[cedar crow]

No tear?

[grave gale]

that causes overhealing. give it to somebody else

[cedar crow]

oh reaĺly

Thanks, ill do that

Btw juneau infront or back

[grave gale]

front

[cedar crow]

Alright

[slow totem]

@tight vessel used to be Foxes-Hood for me, but now WASD Enty for ez merit targets.

[grave gale]

If somebody doesn't have a max fleet with the best units, they're all easy merit targets for me.

The people who insist on using Lusty and Prinz especially so

So many people on Sandy use them.

The 20% attack bonus lets them win so they never learn better.

[lime rivet]

Not just sandy

The number of sandys and prinzs on Avrora too

Or takao 4 second memes

[slow totem]

TAKAOWO

[real notch]

alright

just confirmed assuming identical fleets in wasd

having an eldridge is definitively better than having a fortune

[grave gale]

I did a bunch of tests with Fortune a few days ago. The mitigation from her is negligible. and the slightest rng will make it not relevant.

[real notch]

yea

my tests showed the same

doesn't matter if eldridge procs at 20s, 25s, or 30s

even if enterprise doesn't proc

the team with eldridge will still win

i was gonna do a 20 run test but i accidentally won on the 11th

but watever here is the test anyways

Essendre (Washington, South Dakota, Enterprise | Juneau, Fortune, Belfast) 13.2/12.8
current fleet (south dakota, washington, enterprise | juneau, belfast, eldridge) 13.2/12.3
game 1 - win
game 2 - win
game 3 - win
game 4 - win
game 5 - win
game 6 - win
game 7 - win
game 8 - win
game 9 - win
game 10 - win
game 11 - win

i believe his fleet was fully maxed

so the only variance was the 20% attack boost and fortune

probably as close to accurate as i can get

[grave gale]

Yeah.. I'm not really a fan of Fortune and once she's dead, that mitigation disappears. She's almost going to die by the 4:00 mark. So the last stand off between the backlines doesn't take the mitigation into account

Eldrige on the other hand can completely save your vanguard. The easiest lose condition is losing your vanguard too quickly.

If an enemy helena has radar and lucky e goes off, your vanguard is dead as fuck unless you have eldridge for rainbow

that can happen as early as 24 seconds into the match

if you lose your vanguard there, you've pretty much lost unless you simultaneously took out theirs.

[odd schooner]

Pretty sure wasd with fortune fleets are for akaga hood at this point

Wasd Eldridge are for enterprise/skk zkk fleets

I prefer stalling fox fleets more than washi fleets but that's just me

Because they're more of a threat in Gensui Rush

Or does Wasd Hood a bigger threat for fox fleets than wasd E?

Any max oath fox users there who could share their experience

[grave gale]

Hood is a bigger threat for foxes, yes

Foxes usually don't have trouble killing Enty

[odd schooner]

I am trying out this def fleet if it survives 2nd airstrike on akaga

Somewhat like slotting Beaver on E

I have yet to be found by other discord players this season tho. Feels like we're sitting on the same rank so we never meet. Maybe 3-4 more days when a lot of players miss their pvp tries

[vague token]

what is your name on avrora? xD

[odd schooner]

Same name i use here

[vague token]

oh ok

ill let you know if i see you

[odd schooner]

Okay, I'll keep the beaver up on E. For now gonna suffer beaverless on my hood wasd offensive fleet

[vague token]

what rank position are you atm? xD

[odd schooner]

749

I'm waiting for my left to move

Prolly 200+ once i use my spare tries

[vague token]

kk

[slow totem]

WASDNoCal + Fortune turn the Foxes’ airstrikes into a meme.

But that’s like saying a fire extinguisher will extinguish fire

Duh. 🤣

[odd schooner]

I haven't really seen ppl complain on that fleet yet

[vague token]

rip, used all my refreshes

didnt see you

hold on lemme kill some dudes

[slow totem]

It’s one in a thousand

[odd schooner]

Since hood does the sniping on one of the foxes

[slow totem]

Don’t bother.

I can get bored using the same fleet all the time so I mix and match.

[odd schooner]

Actually maybe i could ask someone. I think he oathed norcar too

[slow totem]

Also keeps me from the One Trick Pony syndrome

Oaths doesn’t matter. The difference is negligible

If you’re the type to marry for stats, not Love/Affection

i have a both command ready

point and laugh

[hidden wyvern]

https://i.imgur.com/uPHnUjQ.png

[odd schooner]

[vague token]

god i see essendre and he has E on bottom spot

i hate wash top

with a fiery passion

cause barracudas never hit top

[slow totem]

Your cuda rng is weird.

Cuda: Nope, not gonna hit top. Fk u

[vague token]

oh wait, he has wash mid sodak top

wat

ive been memed

[odd schooner]

[slow totem]

He wants to protecc SoDak

Hit Ms. President instead

[vague token]

and dead

gottem

[odd schooner]

Anyways, I guess I'll have to look for him cause he got a full oathed washi norcar fleet

[vague token]

xD

[odd schooner]

My foxes aren't max affection tho

[slow totem]

Why the obsession over oaths?

[vague token]

fleeeet power stats

[slow totem]

You can test it with a Non-Oathed maxed fleet and the results will be similar.

[vague token]

xD

[slow totem]

Oooh

The believer of big dicc fleet powa numbahs

[vague token]

gotta get the biggest number

xD

[odd schooner]

Gotta have the best possible scenario

[slow totem]

Gold BTD >>> Purple Helldiver cause big dicc numbers

Fleet Power is deceptive, the game doesn’t know how to calculate them

[odd schooner]

There's a huge difference between married and non married fox but we're too far for that

[slow totem]

6%

If you’re a statistics guy, I guess

I’m more of a practical guy

I see no difference in practical results, then it’s negligible.

[odd schooner]

Eh

Welp

[vague token]

i found a potato

[slow totem]

🥔

[vague token]

wasd/hood

[slow totem]

There it is

[vague token]

juneau/belfast/leander

xD

[slow totem]

Maximum vape

Oh wait, should put Cygnet Retro on Juneau

Maximum Vape

[odd schooner]

Cygnet rianda shares same timer iirc

[slow totem]

DOUBLE VAPE!!

[odd schooner]

No, the other one won't stack

[slow totem]

The visual effect still stacks

BIG THICC VAPE SMOKE

[grave gale]

what auxes do you use on your BBs for HMS?

[slow totem]

Double FCR on Warspite, Gold FCR and Autoloader on Hood.

Torp Bulge and Beaver on QE cause she my bae and I want her to live.

[odd schooner]

Double SG
Gold FCR SG
Beaver SG for QE

Too bad i didn't marry warspite cause she's not on my waifu list. I follow a wife list

[slow totem]

A man of culture

Marrying for love. A rare gem in the sea of metaslaves

You have my respecc, sir.

[odd schooner]

Basically why i try to find oathed fleets cause i know they're at 200 and they're fully geared hence the manhunt for nor car dude

[vague token]

i just killed a nor cal guy

[slow totem]

Pssst, some Oath fleets...

Have big dicc gold equips

[vague token]

she died to ayanami snipe

xD

[slow totem]

Like the gold btd-1 and gold quad

So they actually perform worse

If you see a too high fleet power, be suspicious

[vague token]

that and i swapped to full aim torps on ark royal ;)

[slow totem]

Ark Royal can subtitue Warspite in HMS yes, forgot to mention

Lolicon Lady actually stronk. Pog

[vague token]

if she could just have 70% for 2x damage, she'd be great

xD

[odd schooner]

Too high looks like this

[slow totem]

Suspicious

[vague token]

wow my vanguard never gets that high lol

xD

[slow totem]

Gold BTD divers

X Doubt

[odd schooner]

The ceiling for wasd E optimal fleet looks like this

It stays at 13.2

Foxes are at 12.9

[slow totem]

Try to equip Big Dicc Gold Quad on both of the BBs

How high does it go

[odd schooner]

Any fox fleet higher than 12.9 uses either gold diver planes or doublr cata

[idle python]

implying people have a +10 356

[slow totem]

People have +10 anything.

Inc Gold BTD

[odd schooner]

There's one guy who went past 13.7 prolly using gold mainguns on triple BB

[slow totem]

And Gold 410

Which actually gives higher bigg dicc numbahs than Purple 410

[odd schooner]

Ah hecc i deleted the ss. If you could find a suspicious Hood Wasd fleet on Avrora, it's him

[slow totem]

[abstract cypress]

any in depth pvp comp guide?

[slow totem]

That’d be hard

Harder than making a PvE guide

[abstract cypress]

hmmm

[idle python]

well there's aristya+panda's guide but that's more cn/jp focused

and includes quite a lot of equips that aren't inen

[abstract cypress]

they just throw in t0 comp

[real notch]

in depth?

not indepth but i have a PVP comp guide

[coral wren]

pvp is all about show off ur waifus.

atleast defense xd

[abstract cypress]

no, not yours

[carmine temple]

what torpedos are best for ayanami until the magnet ones come out?

[slow totem]

Quad 410

Gold ofc

[odd schooner]

There's only 2 for now

533 quint or 410 quad gold

[slow totem]

then someone put in Purple Triple on Aya

absolutely barbaric

[odd schooner]

Purple uhh the triple

I forgot the name

Ye i forgot the name and already sold it on my inventory

[slow totem]

[bleak osprey]

@abstract cypress #pvp for you

oh wait...

i tot i was in #gameplay-help

im sorry

[abstract cypress]

[vague token]

praise rng, got my 2nd gold sg radar from a daily box

=D

[bleak osprey]

#trophy-room is that way

but good job nonetheless

[vague token]

well, i can finally complete sodak now

instead of being stuck with a purple +6 radar

[bleak osprey]

i dont even have one tho hmmmmm

im too laze to fire up 6-1

[vague token]

oof

ill probably go back to 9-3 for nich now that i got my radars

my oil has been piling up anyways

[odd schooner]

You guys were mentioning this earlier right. He's using oxytorp idk on who tho

[vague token]

oh yeah

[abstract cypress]

[vague token]

no eldridge means you can just out trade him at the 20

and he cant stop it

with that defense fleet

xD

[slow totem]

RNG: We’ll see about that

[vague token]

shh you

[abstract cypress]

june have a high aa tho

[vague token]

juneau's aa can never shoot down enough of akaga nor owari da

to stop the front from eating dive bombs

[odd schooner]

I bet both her Juneau and Fortune aren't max oath

[vague token]

i guess now i just need a gold belgun

[abstract cypress]

i need everything

[odd schooner]

Juneau skill is there to deplete plane hp

Cause dmg rcvd when planes pass by depends on their remaining hp

[vague token]

oh yeah, for sure, i just meant the vanguard damage isnt blocked

because no eldridge means tanking a full helldiver

to the face

and random number of torpedos

whelp, time to save aux plates for gold radar

T_T

[lime rivet]

reeeeeee have a meeting at rollover

[odd schooner]

Feels weird having mirror match with him

[lime rivet]

Won't be able to rush pvp

[odd schooner]

Spend all extra tries now

[lime rivet]

Already did

[abstract cypress]

dev should increase the cap by 20 or smth

they force us to be a neet login 2 times a day

[stable panther]

That's the point bub.

Mobile games are designed so you check in often or miss benefits

[hot creek]

the things we do for waifus.

[lime rivet]

Christ, just fought the cancer defense fleet

Juneau/Eldridge/Belfast frontline, WASD/Hiryuu backline

That was...actually more annoying than I expected to fight

[bleak osprey]

why hiryuu tho?

[idle python]

to troll for 15 seconds

and waste your time

[lime rivet]

Wash centre, hiryuu and SD on the sides

Both sides will proc immortality to waste your time

Dude also stuffed juneau full of evades and put his pearls on belfast

[bleak flicker]

sounds funny

[coral wren]

should I give 406 to washy or sodak? and give 410 to the other? so their cds dosnt overlap

[lime rivet]

Took a long while to kill.

[bleak osprey]

sounds very irritating luls

[lime rivet]

I'd give the 406 to wash tbh. Wash's barrage is independent from her firing, while SD wants to shoot more to increase her chances of focused assault proccing

[coral wren]

ohhh true ty

[hybrid tendon]

eldridge is kinda countered by foxes

she dies in the first airstrikes

[idle python]

belfast usually is enough to let her survive 1 airstrike

for now at least

once evasion debuffers come eldridge will almost always be dead by first airstrike

[abstract cypress]

[hybrid tendon]

but when operation rainbow procs

boi

its really SATISFYING

[cedar crow]

twin 100mm or the blue gun for eldridge?

in pvp anyways

[lime rivet]

Up to you.

Some people prefer for the barrage to proc as fast as possible, but eldridge's barrage doesn't do all that much damage. And you're running eld for her evade anyway, not damage.

[cedar crow]

tru

but doesnt it not matter since it doesnt affect her eva?

nvm ill just stick with twin

[spare hedge]

Is it fine for Wash to have a gold Quad 356??

Or should I use something else for her

[potent lion]

hi

[odd schooner]

BBs only revolve on 406mk6 and purple 410mm right now

Current Gold BB mainguns are kinda 🚮

Bad spread, long CD, shell typing (heck one does fireworks which is gold 410mm)

[potent lion]

okay me ask question senpai

akaga + hood or sodak + washy + enty... which one is better?

[supple depot]

What

[potent lion]

for pvp??

i mean isn't this channel all about pvp in the first place?

[livid fractal]

Akaga/Hood for attack, WasdEnty for defense

[potent lion]

ohh, so you need to balance the vanguard now then right? if you have akaga hood attack then you would need something for defence?

[glacial spire]

If you can kill the vanguard quickly maybe offense is better but I think higher rank have high hp so defense its meta there. I dont really know much but thats the impression I get.

[odd schooner]

@potent lion akaga hood is still the fastest offense so far for EN.

You don't really need to put much attention on defense if you don't have any spare gears or you could slap your foxes in defense too just to stall the attacking fleet for a bit

If you got spare for defense, washi fleet tends to stall them a lot, just pick the proper ships depending on what type of fleet you would want to stall

HMS is also good offense defense but you didn't mention it so ye

[charred sable]

Washington meta is currently stronger for both offense and defense assuming you have the gear and skill levels to support it

Washington > HMS > Foxes for EN

[modern tree]

I disagree

Unless you mean the conventional hms that uses Juneau or Edinburgh, then I guess that's fair

[charred sable]

Neither Washington nor Foxes setup have a fixed vanguard

Meaning you can use the same caused setup for all three

HMS giving certain vanguard setups a boost

But other than that, you are essentially comparing the main fleets

Washington/South Dakota/X
vs Queen Elizabeth/Hood/Warspite
vs Akagi/Kaga/X

Between those three setups, Washington is stronger than the other two, and HMS is stronger than foxes

Assuming equal/equivalent vanguard

Pick your vanguards from Juneau, Belfast, Fortune, Helena, Aynami, Eldridge, etc. based on your main fleet choices, but the main players are still the main fleet

[modern tree]

I think that uss relies on killing front for it's damage too much, which gives hms a decent edge since royal ships will shell the back no matter what. This weakness can be fairly easily exploited with Eldridge that swings the matchup in hms favour pretty hard

[charred sable]

My Washington fleet always kills someone on the backline first, not sure what your setup is lol

But yes, Eldridge does counter certain setups hard

Eldridge is the only hard counter. Belfast is the foxes soft counter and HMS has no direct counter

[modern tree]

My wash fleet with bis on everything was struggling in the mirror precisely because they couldn't consistently snipe ships, yea you can rng helena wash barrage and focus that lands well for kills but that's just gambling

[charred sable]

I would argue Helena is the same level of gambling as Eldridge

HMS defensive setup is probably the least gamble

But due to the reset system, gambling isn't a big issue when you're dealing with 40-70% proc rates in the various ship skills

[modern tree]

My Eldridge is up front because everyone's stall fleets can't possibly kill her while I am on offense, the cases in which rainbow doesn't proc when being targeted by 3 ships are rather rare, definitely rarer than getting couple procs in succession

But I guess if you assume you have time to just reset, why not play with Ark slapped on uss and laugh

[charred sable]

You're comparing vanguard vs vanguard though. Let's say we compare Washington vs HMS

Washington is Washington South Dakota X

HMS is QE Hood Warspite

Let's make that X be Hood

Do it's Washington South Dakota vs QE and Warspite

Both Washington and Warspite's barrages are single target backline

Warspite has a QE boost, but Washington's stats are higher I believe

South Dakota vs QE. South Dakota has a huge stat advantage and offensive and defensive skill

[modern tree]

I am pretty sure that in this comparison the only factor is uss getting their procs, if we assume hoods do the same thing

[charred sable]

Overall Washington + South Dakota's synergy and damage output is much higher than QE and Warspite's even if you include HMS's Hood getting in the QE bonus

Washington's barrage is on a timer, as is Warspite's

[modern tree]

Because warspite will shoot either way and qe will probably do comparable damage to sd if shr does not proc

[charred sable]

Do not proc related

Warspite only hits adjacent

Same with Washington

Their barrages I mean

One other major factor is Washington and South Dakota's defensive passives

South Dakota gaining that death immunity and Washington gaining that stat boost

So in a pure face-off, they will outdamage and outsurvive

The scenario where I imagine the HMS fleet winning is if both side's Hood procs their skills every time

Since then the QE side has the HMS passive stat boost

[modern tree]

In this setup hms would target wash because of that specifically, usually dealing with her before she gets bonus damage from chipping SD. Aegis would have little impact because it's horribly mistimed for everything except every other Warspite shot

[charred sable]

But that would require South Dakota's skill never proccing once

Yeah Aegis is 99% useless lol

[modern tree]

And it comes down purely to SD getting focused assaults, basically

If we assume Warspite would have about the same damage numbers as Wash barrage despite it being random

So the only factors left are rng and uss being targetable with ship choices like Eldridge

[charred sable]

So you're saying HMS has an advantage here because it's Warspite's + Hood focus fire will be slightly faster than Washington + Hood's focus fire?

Due to the QE buff?

[lime rivet]

Running my HMS fleet, it pretty much boils down to backline positioning

[modern tree]

Wash and Hood are not really focusing the same targets like Warspite Hood

[lime rivet]

Yeah

[charred sable]

That is true

[lime rivet]

Basically warspite/hood focusing on a specific target outdamages wasd in terms of deleting a specific ship - which edges it out

[modern tree]

So if we assume comparable damage, then qe buff makes hms deliver it faster while also removing threats faster

[lime rivet]

However, sodak on the wings and wash centre is incredibly fucking annoying to fight against with a HMS fleet

Because typically the other flank is going to be either Enty or Hood

[modern tree]

You can peel the other flank for Warspite to target Wash middle after they're dead

[charred sable]

I personally run Enterprise over Hood as I timing align to Helena, but I've been wanting to test Washington flag vs South Dakota flag

[modern tree]

Sodak ends up doing not much

[lime rivet]

It's not so simple - that actually gives Sodak aegis an option to extend Wash's life

[charred sable]

Enterprise should be an easier snipe than either of the two no?

[lime rivet]

It's...pretty weird and unexpected, but every time i've run into a sodak flank, they've managed to proc aegis at a bad time.for me

Ent still takes a maximum of 35 seconds to put down, unless you're galactically lucky with the MGM shots

[modern tree]

Unless uss fleets start altering their approach, like running 410s to not get messed up by Eldridge as bad, I firmly believe hms has a decent edge

[lime rivet]

You can't position to kill sodak forst because it procs her immortality and nullifies your second round salvoes. This allows the other flank to fire at least twice unopposed

If you position to kill the other flank first, aegis procs on wash

And wash basically will be merrily shelling you the entire time

[modern tree]

Taking shells on qe is acceptable tbh, she doesn't have to be alive for the buff

[lime rivet]

Except due to the compressed distance, an opposing wash's barrage hits your vanguard too

Basically why a defense fleet of wasd hood is annoying to fight - hood and wash's barrage will hit your vanguards as long as enemt vanguard is alive

[modern tree]

Rainbows

[lime rivet]

Rainbow procs after 20s. 1st hood salvo will hit regardless.

Second hood salvo launches immediately after rainbow goes on cd

[charred sable]

@lime rivet now that I think about it, wouldn't Washington make for a better flagship than South Dakota? Washington's frontal part of her barrage has some spread so putting her in the center should hit more vanguard. And South Dakota being on the side is hard to snipe due to what you said with Washington giving her immunity

[lime rivet]

Assuming hood is on the minimum 15s firing cycle

@charred sable yep.

[charred sable]

I've constantly thought about it but never found an ideal opponent to A/B test against

[lime rivet]

This is for defense, though - to make your defense fleet as much of a pain to fight

Defending Hood and attacking Eldridge cycles go like this, assuming +10 gear.

15s, Hood fires. Shells land in about a second or two.

20s Rainbow is set to trigger. It has to delay triggering for at least 2-3 seconds or else...

30s this is the soonest rainbow comes on cooldown. This is also when hood fires her second salvo, taking a couple of seconds for the shells to land.

[modern tree]

When I ran uss I put wash in front of the thing I wanted to die the most, but flagship position with beaver and sg is probably the most consistently good for her

[grave gale]

You want to use 410 guns on everybody for wasd. 406 mk6 is not good because it lines up with rainbow and lucky e. Otherwise you will have to deal with lucky e duels whenever you do mirror matches.

[modern tree]

And over time I swapped my auxes specifically for my hms bbs to make bigger impact in frontline fight because it doesn't trade their ability to shell the back

Which on top of 20% bonus is rather effective

[grave gale]

I tried out wasd for a while, kept getting rng lucky e duels, went back to foxes as a result. Then finally tried out the 410 guns a few people were recommending and went back to wasd. The lucky e duels are a thing of the past now.

[modern tree]

Since first shelling always seems to target front and mgm shots fire little more rabdomly, you can play with the timings

[grave gale]

@charred sable Nah. You want sodak to take the most damage to power up washington. Washington also runs the risk of dying early if you run her in the middle while sodak has her skill that lets her survive for a while.

[modern tree]

406 with gold fcr will fire as fast as 410 would, if you put reloader on 410 you get 5 mean shells targeting the front and only real defense is speed

[grave gale]

406 with gold fcr will create timing overlap with the 410

[modern tree]

That's why you offset it with a reloader

[grave gale]

that's waste of an aux slot

it's better to give everybody 410 guns

more chances to shoot at enterprise when she doesn't have invulnerability up

[charred sable]

@grave gale putting South Dakota on the side though should make her take more damage than in the center no?

Against snipe teams

[grave gale]

nah. center takes the most damage in pvp unless you're fighting HMS

[modern tree]

I don't think it matters for hms cuz it's not like you are giving up a gold shell, it's either sg or purple fcr

[charred sable]

Yeah, that's what I want to test. Against both HMS snipe teams and against non-snipe teams, and weigh it out

[grave gale]

HMS isn't that common anymore.

[modern tree]

BBs do not have many good aux options

[charred sable]

Just haven't had a good chance cause I'm actually trying to get Fleet Admiral this season (no screw ups yet)

[modern tree]

I will continue pretending people use hms on offense but not on defense. Number of people that oathed hms core when there was nothing btter has to be huge

I am gonna toss out hood for dork and continue getting carried by Warspite while also retaining my hipster status

[charred sable]

I'm pretty sure 90% of the PvP userbase oathed Belfast

And Hood

[grave gale]

Pretty sure the most commonly oathed ships are ones with wedding skins.

[modern tree]

At least belfap is a pretty good value for gems. Hood oath skin is meh and has no extra lines. Still salty

Only good thing about hood oath is her chibi riding the gun like a roomba

[charred sable]

I wish I could replay oath scenes

Cause I married a bunch of ships before their oath skin came out :(

So no nice wedding skin + oath line screenshot

[grave gale]

aren't they in archive?

Additionally, players can re-watch the pledge scene by clicking on the oath button for each ship in the Archives.

Tried it. It works

You click the ring oath icon on the character profile in the achive

[modern tree]

will it be with a skin if your original scene didnt have one tho

[surreal portal]

@modern tree they change depending on what skin your ship is currently wearing

[modern tree]

That's what I hoped and assumed it would be

[slow totem]

Time to buy QE’s Party skin and rewatch her oath scene.

[modern tree]

That's one thing I have not thought about, but will end up doing 100% now

[slow totem]

👌

[odd schooner]

The reason washi cannot take flag ship is that some fox users uses ryuusei and it targets the flagship most of the time. I've tested this out too.

[trail hollow]

Should i switch out fortune for juneau?

And also

Is eld vs eld adviceable?

Or should i change my attack to foxes when attacking?

[alpine finch]

i do eld vs eld if my backline is better

[untold folio]

This enty with btd + double cata lol

[spare hedge]

I'm just wondering... Why do people choose a double purple catapult and not do a purple aviation tank and purple catapult???

[untold folio]

this isn't double purple cata

this is double gold cata

lol

also fuck

i wasnt paying attentions and lost a pvp game

can i still get gensui after losing 2

[grave gale]

probably

[spare hedge]

I know it's double gold

[modern tree]

depends on the server but I dont think EN is fierce enough just yet to kill this possibility even after like 5 dropped games

[spare hedge]

I'm asking about double purple

[grave gale]

Some people think that double catapult is better for damage

[untold folio]

im probably gonna spam all 5 at the last reset

@grave gale thats false

[spare hedge]

Because RNG hates some people and doesn't give gold catapults

[grave gale]

See that person a few days ago that argued with me about it

I know it's false

But some stubbornly think that

[spare hedge]

Stat wise... Purple cata and oil tank is the same but why is double purp cata prefered?? Is it because there's something I don't get or is it that there's something they don't get??

[grave gale]

Not sure why you think it's preferred

[untold folio]

its not

it doesnt matter

[spare hedge]

It's just that a few friends recommend me that.

[untold folio]

it doesnt matter for pve

for pvp tanks are better

[spare hedge]

I see...

[odd schooner]

Full gold enty

@untold folio depends how many ppl are actually bagging but more or less you'll drop at rank 150+ so you'll need to do first minute rush when reset happens

[untold folio]

yeah i'll probably go that

[trail hollow]

Gensui rush fighto!

Everyone who lost 1-3 battles will always rush

[coral wren]

if u are on washington u can get gensui with only losing

[potent lion]

hi

i'm looking for a vanguard that may delay enemy ships in order for my akaga + hood attack

[buoyant parrot]

Fortune, Eldridge, and Cygnet

[elder crane]

@untold folio You can still get it even after losing 3 battles (past season), but 5 seems impossible (the season before that).
Source: Me being an idiot last two seasons, leaving battles to last-minute, and falling asleep before doing them...

[lime rivet]

Rushing always works anyway if all you're aiming for is the highest rank achieved on your profile thing

[untold folio]

nah i just fucked up 2 battles

[potent lion]

@lime rivet if imma gonna rush, what's a good vanguard to compliment akaga + hood

[untold folio]

just use aya

[lime rivet]

@potent lion you asking for an offensive frontline?

Uhhh

[potent lion]

i was thinking of a defensive, but anything goes as long as i can get up to 1000 rating

[lime rivet]

What's your current ranking at?

[potent lion]

about 5000

akaga + hood (backline) frontline: (sandy, laffey and belfast) idk what ship to replace sandy with as well as laffey

[untold folio]

why are you being a rarity whore

[lime rivet]

5000 to 1000 is pretty hard to do right now. Might want to wait for next week's season.

A typical defensive frontline is Juneau/Eldridge/Belfast. Fortune Kai works as well, to some extent, as does Cygnet kai

[untold folio]

rianda kai too

[lime rivet]

Leander kai is more for an offensive frontline - basically running her with two other CLs so they actually do something

Juneau/Leander/Belfast, for example

[potent lion]

does juneau have a kai?

[lime rivet]

No

[potent lion]

i see, her stats are kinda more useful than sandy, imma level her up now... so does belfast juneau work?

[abstract cypress]

y

[elder crane]

Juneau's role is to sink first to heal other ships, to state the obvious (it's amazing how many people seem to not realize that. judging based on the defense fleets I face...)

[odd schooner]

Juneau Kai

[grave gale]

The rebirth of Jesus

[elder crane]

Quick, think of a meme skill to complement!

[odd schooner]

15% dmg reduction to vanguard while still alive

Actually my Juneau's main purpose is to do the fleet protection of AA skill and eating torps

[grave gale]

When Juneau sinks she makes all ships invulnerable to damage for 5s

[bleak osprey]

missed 3 exercises jn, whats the chances of me still hitting gensui this season?

[abstract cypress]

0

[bleak osprey]

hontou?

[odd schooner]

You still can if you sandbag now

[bleak osprey]

i have been sandbagging but not much luck.

[odd schooner]

If you're 50 points away with current top 10, then it's too late

[wise summit]

or ~47-49

[bleak osprey]

I still have 10 exercises left tho hmmm

[odd schooner]

Check

+100

Then compare

Let's assume top 1 has 3 more spare tries

[bleak osprey]

I have 1537 now

[abstract cypress]

thats higher than mine
and im already at 0/10

[odd schooner]

You guys are on the same server ya?

[bleak osprey]

I'm same as u

[alpine finch]

good thing washy u can miss prob 10 and still get admiral

[abstract cypress]

im on lex

and missing tries daily welp

[alpine finch]

@grave gale were u srs about the juneau thing

or meme

[grave gale]

I'm at 1621 right now on sandy and I'm tied with rank 1 in points. 1 play left.

[abstract cypress]

june is a thing

[alpine finch]

no the invul for 5s

[grave gale]

no. Just naming a possible skill her retrofit could have

[abstract cypress]

read more bruh

[alpine finch]

oh lmao

pocket eld

[odd schooner]

But seriously, i don't just see her as sacrifice boat especially when oathed and 200 affection

She still does dmg cause 127mm and AA skill

[abstract cypress]

sometimes shes the only front alive

esp against akaga

[grave gale]

But if you want damage, Helena is a better option since she boosts everybody's damage by 40% when it procs and it usually does

[alpine finch]

die boat, make other boat strong

[abstract cypress]

put 100mm,toolbox, and bulge +10 and she wont die

[alpine finch]

any of u guys tried fusou/yamashiro retros?