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delicate shore
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i feel like going below 50% means u woulda lost

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in a fair fight

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lol

odd schooner
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Tryna avoiding those unnecessary solo match

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And double snipers means more poking at backline

grave gale
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I think 50% is too much. I'd say closer to 30%. If you HP drops below 1/3 then you would've died without the advantage.

odd schooner
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1/3 prolly for big walls

delicate shore
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maybe

grave gale
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But it's a bit misleading because if your health dropped below that point before Juneau healed went off then they would've already been dead

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If your opponent had a 20% attack bonus too

delicate shore
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sounds reasonable

glossy jay
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My hood is a degenerate that can't match up to my enty

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But I don't feel it's a fair match because her gear is utter trash compared

vague token
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made it to 7 for a bit, now im rank 12 xD

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at least i know i can get the merits

alpine finch
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hood is generally my hard carry

vague token
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hood should have plenty of damage unless you lucky e on top of radar

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then it's basically impossible to match that spike

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xD

glossy jay
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my hoods gear is just really bad

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there is a difference in love shown

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washi generally does a bit better

vague token
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oh, yeah, no +10 gun hurts

glossy jay
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purple plates

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where

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đź—ˇ

vague token
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back to chapter 9!

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xD

grave gale
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lol autoloaders in pvp

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without accuracy boosting stuff, Hood's accuracy is really bad. Especially if the opponent is using double sg radar

vague token
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actually hard mode 6-1 is soon

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purple plates, t3 destroyer blueprints, and gold radar

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glorious

glossy jay
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washi is hogging all my good shit

odd schooner
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Oh you took the autoloader bait too

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Dw a lot of us did

slow totem
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Hood with Gold FCR + Purple Autoloader syncs with Warspite to delete a single backline (usually Enty/Fox) before they can do anything.

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Not the best? Maybe. But it does work and I’m keeping it until it doesn’t work anymore.

vague token
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i mean offense hms is fine lol

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just insta delete a main fleet

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ez

slow totem
vague token
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wait, isnt gold fcr + autoloader like under 15?

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xD

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with a 410

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not sure

slow totem
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14 something

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But Warspite’s free shot travels faster than HE

vague token
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yeah

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that's pretty neat timing

slow totem
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So they land on the poor backline exactly at the same time

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Oathed Enty gone

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And about the Double SG Radar thing

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If they put SG Radar on Enty, I’d point and laugh

hidden wyvernBOT
vague token
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xD

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usually if i see hms defense

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i just put E middle

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and then move sodak to take the gun focus

slow totem
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Or just across warspite

vague token
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yeah either or

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it's kinda sad how warspite has such high fp, but doesnt really do DPS against her main fleet opponent

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xD

slow totem
odd schooner
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You guys still move backline fleets eh thinkzed

vague token
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of course lol

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i swap vanguard based on main fleet and move wash/e around based on their positioning

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xD

spare hedge
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Imo moving the backline is one of the best PvP tactics there is

slow totem
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What kind of Admiral/Commander doesn’t care about fleet positioning?

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Doesn’t make sense, even irl.

wise summit
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I don't like having to change my lineup per fight personally. I could. But I don't like it

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The fewer buttons I have to press the better

vague token
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i mean, that's fair

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it just hurts your odds is all

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like if you do standard wash/e, top enterprise usually gets shot by bottom warspite if you see hms

wise summit
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With hms absolutely, but I play sodak/wash/hood

vague token
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or you trade your E for their E if against wasd/e

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ah

wise summit
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I play sodak wash hood specifically because there's no question of positioning

vague token
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xD

wise summit
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also because enterprise duels give me the shits

vague token
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i havent had an enterprise duel in a long time

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mostly because im running helena, or they're running helena

wise summit
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me neither, cause I don't run enterprise anymore ahahah

vague token
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so no one makes it that far

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otherwise wash can easily shoot enterprise down by the second air strike with helena boost

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even with no owari da

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so ill just sacrifice my enterprise

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for theirs

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xD

wise summit
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said it before but eldridge frontline feels basically mandatory in this meta

vague token
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i just swap her, if it's akaga use belfast

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if it's e, use eldridge

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if it's triple battleship, i use ayanami for easy backline picks

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helena boosted demon dance will instantly cripple any backliner

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at the 20

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not even counting lucky e damage

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or wash barrage

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xD

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so then i effectively trade one destroyer's worth of hit points

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for a main fleet kill

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always worth

wise summit
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I'm excited to see aya potential with magtorps coming

vague token
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yeah, then she'll have even more backline pressure

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at that point we'll be sinking wash before vanguard dies

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xD

wise summit
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Got my 40 ironblood gold boxes waiting patiently

vague token
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cause rainbow dodges all cvs that arent akaga lol

wise summit
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I was specifically going to see if frontloaded torpedo damage can pull wins for akaga even against wasd builds

vague token
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honestly it's kinda a meta problem that rainbow does that xD

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it should

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but if they run 410 purple it might not

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because they'll run a few shots before aya can demon dance

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aya with oxy torp cant survive 2 BB gun shots

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so you'll need a little luck

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but if you make it to the 20, you'll probably delete washington

modern tree
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Can't wait to see everything go to shit after I open 50 gold and 2 rainbow kms boxes

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At least hms has decent enough torp stat to put up a fight before I drop them for akaga just to wipe front faster

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Which might end up not mattering but I will wait and see

vague token
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xD

real notch
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been testing 410s

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can confirm they suck at hitting vanguard

fair valley
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I was recommended to join here for help for my pvp lineup.

real notch
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not sure if that's for better or worse

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@fair valley yea post it and we'll help

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what do you want? to make the best possible PVP fleet?

fair valley
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something to just help me along with getting more merits. best possible ATM would be nice too.

real notch
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sure

fair valley
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I was suggested to put Wash, E, and Hood in the back (and get south ASAP)

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and put helena and juneau in

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and get eldridge asap

modern tree
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Eldridge is probably more important. Also levels. No matter what you use, you take something like 2% more and deal 2% less damage per level difference

real notch
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my best recommendation at the moment is to use hood, enterprise and washington

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particualrly because you really have no other options...

modern tree
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Don't know the exact values

real notch
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ideally i would use akagi, kaga, or south dakota but you're missing that

fair valley
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akahi, kaga, or sd instead of who

real notch
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and as for vanguard, i'd recommend helena, cleveland from what i see in the picture

livid fractal
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Make your vanguard stronger first

real notch
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if you can, try to find juneau or fortune, they're good options

fair valley
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I can scroll down more lol, but I don't want to spam with pics

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I have both juneau, and fortune

quiet adder
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Thoughts on this setup? My main concern rn is vanguard since juneau and eldridge are not ready

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zenith tundra
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akagi kaga hood and washy sd enty are good choices

modern tree
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Akashi yea

quiet adder
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and i don't have enough equipment to replace enty with hood either

zenith tundra
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yeah mb

real notch
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enterprise is fine

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wasd + ent is still the best PVP team in my tierlist so far

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eyeshake i'm not convinced yet hood has overtaken ent

fair valley
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I'm making a picture with all the boats lol. give me a minute

zenith tundra
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i think u need the extra vanguard dmg of enty over dmg to main from hood

modern tree
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Seeing hms vanguard wirh uss is strange

real notch
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@quiet adder your backline looks fine, vanguard i'd say is good but seems vulnerable to BBs

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try to add some speed with boilers or add in an eldridge

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edinburgh is OK

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big HP pool so very tanky

vague token
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hood doesnt have enough spike

real notch
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ofc better in HMS

vague token
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is all

fair valley
zenith tundra
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fortune would't be bad instead of edinburgh

vague token
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sometimes a spike in damage helps you push past a stall

quiet adder
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I'll show my list of vanguard atm

vague token
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especially since multiplying the attacker advantage gives you a big edge

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when lucky e procs

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instead of just 2x, it's 2.4

real notch
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@fair valley yea raise fortune and juneau

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can't go wrong with juneau because she's forever relevant

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and fortune... well she's outclassed later but still viable in HMS fleets

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and top tier atm,

vague token
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something something yukikaze

fair valley
livid fractal
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Farm for akaga tbh

zenith tundra
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i find fortune really good against bb since her dmg reduction skill and high speed. and since everything is wasd now she's useful

vague token
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fortune is 50/50 vs bb comps

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she doesnt have the hit points to survive

real notch
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uhhhhhhh

vague token
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xD

real notch
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yea some people really like fortune

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i personally had terrible results with her

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up to you Shrug

vague token
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she works better against mix comps

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where there are less battleships shooting at her

fair valley
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You'd recommend getting eldrige over SD ans swap fortune for her?

zenith tundra
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with eldrdge she's like 2/3 invincible tho

real notch
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but, i will say that her dmg reduction is not very effective against BB shells

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because half of BB shells don't even hit backline

vague token
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MGM +2 trolling

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xD

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god the aiming is so weird on MGM+2

real notch
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so BB dmg reduction shouldn't be the main reason you run fortune

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you run fortune for CV defense

zenith tundra
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hood and washy hit main tho

vague token
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only their skills are guaranteed main

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their guns well

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_>

real notch
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ye

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it's not that relevant

zenith tundra
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does hood even deal any other dmg tho

real notch
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compared to CVs which fire 9 planes which touchdown on ur backline

vague token
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hood should hit for like 800-900 on front

real notch
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or 8

vague token
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i think?

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with +10 410mm

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not sure though, havent used her in a while

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xD

real notch
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the problem i have with fortune is 1. low HP pool and 2. wasted flank defense against BB comps

vague token
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i mean that's all destroyers

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they top out at like 2.3k hp

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on a retro

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aka 2 hits

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or 1 focused assault sodak gun

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= dead

real notch
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the reason i haven't docked her to tier 1 is because currently the meta has CVs mixed in it

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either foxes or ent are common sights

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and fortune is very effective against those ships

zenith tundra
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but fortune evasion skill + eldridge makes her outlast anything

vague token
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or you could just use any other ship with eldridge

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and have more effect on the outcome

real notch
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well

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think about it this way

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even without eldridge

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fortune outlast anything with a 30% chance

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because of extreme evasion

wise summit
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on a much lower uptime

real notch
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if you run eldridge, you risk the chance of extreme evasion overlapping with rainbow

vague token
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or 30% chance of instant death from sodak xD

real notch
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essentially wasting a skill

vague token
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so

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you know

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rng giveth

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rng taketh

real notch
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so it's not really that much value

zenith tundra
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i use fortune to make sure my akaga doesn't die to some focused shoot from sd or hood/washy barrages not much beyond that

real notch
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if you think it from a value perspective

uneven drift
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đź‘€

zenith tundra
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but eldridge is not guaranteed 20 sec proc

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u can only have a partial overlap

real notch
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partial overlap or not it's still a risk of overlap

odd schooner
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2 DDs in a fleet is dangerous imo

quiet adder
odd schooner
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Insta gib by bb shell

zenith tundra
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i run 3dds lol

slow totem
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DDs are fun against CV Backlines

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Against BB backlines, I use CLs

odd schooner
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You guys switch fleets? GWslippyPeepoW

vague token
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CL has that meaty 4k hp

slow totem
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Don’t be a one trick pony...?

vague token
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you can soak like 3 bb shots

quiet adder
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I don't

vague token
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xD

slow totem
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Never be a one trick pony

real notch
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uhh

odd schooner
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Gib plates

real notch
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i usually run 1 fleet because there are unique items

slow totem
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🍽

odd schooner
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Ye that too

real notch
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like pearl reppuu and dildo

slow totem
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I run as according to my opponents.

quiet adder
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and too lazy to switch in general

real notch
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i'm way too fucking lazy to move shit around

livid fractal
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Hood/Akaga for attack, WasdEnt for def

slow totem
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Dildo GWfroggyMonkaThink

livid fractal
vague token
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usually you dont have to swap your entire comp though

slow totem
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Just one or two ships, correct

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What Kiro said

real notch
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tho i just really wish i farmed a 2nd reppuu

zenith tundra
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i see it the other way. a dd comp is most likely to dodge a bb shot and a cl will tank more of the cv dmg

real notch
odd schooner
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I just made a fleet that can withstand anything

slow totem
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DD Comp against Bb backline can work

odd schooner
slow totem
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But CLs work better, doesn’t mean DD’s can not work

delicate shore
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Whats so good about having a 2nd reppu

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Lol

quiet adder
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reppuu better than gold f4u

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?

vague token
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the suicide damage

slow totem
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Against mixed backlines, well, mixed vanguard ofc

vague token
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when they reach the end

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hits hard

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maximum oof

delicate shore
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Is that so

zenith tundra
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i want a 2nd reppu for my kaga

odd schooner
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Reppu hp too low

vague token
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i mean, akaga doesnt need hp

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you have plane saturation

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and first strike

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xD

real notch
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TBH

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in my tests

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2x DD is too squishy

vague token
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and then nagato lets you just do double catapult

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and destroy the world

real notch
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it just doesn't work from my experiences

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i can't even imagine 3 DDs

slow totem
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All of my primary DDs (Fortune, Eldridge, Cygnet) have double +10 Toolboxes

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Maybe that’s why

vague token
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triple dds is just going to get nuked by 406mm

odd schooner
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One Bb shell and longcryland

real notch
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reppuu HP is 479

slow totem
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They can actually tank SoDak’s focused assault

vague token
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and they dont have THAT much anti air

real notch
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compared to like

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VF17 which is 527

vague token
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yeah with no chip from belfast

slow totem
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They do, put Roomba on them

real notch
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it's not a huge difference but it's definitely noticeable

slow totem
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Doesn’t have to be gold Roomba

vague token
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i mean, that brings fortune

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from 140

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to 180

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or w/e

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amaaaazing

real notch
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what makes reppu far better is her 162 touchdown

vague token
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compared to juneau's 360

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lol

real notch
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VF17 only has like 110 touchdown

slow totem
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My fortune has... 2.3K HP at base

real notch
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running 2 reppuus means you don't pre-proc AA circle

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so generally for the purpose of spacing your planes

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you want 1 reppuu only

slow totem
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Excluding the bonus from PvP mode

real notch
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i just want 2 reppuus so i don't have to swap

vague token
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xD

odd schooner
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Lmao ye that

delicate shore
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I have 2 reppus and I barely even use one

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Lol

slow totem
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Fortune in HMS makes you consistently win in a shelling fight with WASDHood tho.

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In my personal experience

wise summit
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Iirc every ship in pvp has 2x hp and deals 0.5x damage before other modifiers

slow totem
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Yep

vague token
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ah, i dont see a lot of wasd hood

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xD

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but even if they ran fortune, helena basically makes it moot rip

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xD

slow totem
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I actually love WASDEnty more than Hood

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Cause Enty’s basically not there with HMS.

wise summit
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I'm a wasd hood evangelist

quiet adder
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america all the way

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🇺🇸

slow totem
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Fortune (and Eldridge) are actually better at facing Helena than CLs.

odd schooner
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I'm running wasd Hood so even if I'm mirror fighting big walls, i can sleep

slow totem
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The Radar Scan is useless against OP Rainbow and Extreme evasion

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If I see Helena on the opposing team, I run 2/3 DDs.

odd schooner
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By big walls. 200 affection +10 fleets

slow totem
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And they work.

wise summit
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do a trial fight with me if you see me on your lists this week Harcourt, interested to see whether it gets dicey or if it's a roll for you

slow totem
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We can’t, right?

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Unless, somehow, in that slim chance

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I run into you

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Among thousands of players

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🤣

wise summit
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that's what I mean by see me on your lists

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It happens more often than you think

slow totem
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Attacker Boost makes it moot anyway. Even if I win.

wise summit
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I'm friends with a few people and we run into each other a couple times a week

slow totem
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Okay, if it happens, it happens then. GWqlabsGarThink

delicate shore
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What server u guys on

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Fight my fleet

slow totem
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I usually take out Washy first in WASD Hood comp

delicate shore
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Lol

wise summit
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Lex

delicate shore
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Oh lol

slow totem
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Idol-onee-sama server

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If SoDak doesn’t get to 30% before Washy dies, that blue skill gets nullified

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But it’s a challenge, a good one.

vague token
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wait what, if im running helena, it's to kill the backline

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and ignore the vanguard

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fortune 15% is completely shut out by 40% amp

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especially on top of barracuda aoe from enterprise

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just skip the vanguard

delicate shore
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just wait til u try fighting someone with 6 UFOs

wise summit
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It's very rare for planes to miss the vanguard and hit the backline

delicate shore
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instant plane pop

vague token
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1.2 *1.4 * .85 is 42% damage

delicate shore
wise summit
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I'm not sure what you're describing

vague token
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uh, barracudas

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usually have a lot of them

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go around

real notch
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6 UFOS

delicate shore
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thats gon be me

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soon

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lol

vague token
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i have 3 =(

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long way from 6

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xD

delicate shore
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im at 9/15 of my 4th one

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and i started today with 2/15

wise summit
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been casual farming 7-2 and I have like 2 blueprint

delicate shore
hot creek
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lucker dong

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I usually get 0 blueprints after 8 hours of farming

delicate shore
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fuckk

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i got another barracuda

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not UFO

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from 6 royal boxes

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lameeee

wise summit
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AA is the slot I have the fewest golds in

pastel forge
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ufo farming, now thats next lvl lol

wise summit
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Torpedo is the slot I have the most, second repair cranes

real notch
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eyeshake i'm not sure if 6x UFO is the best mix

delicate shore
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i have

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a shit load of AAs

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im gonna try using 6 ufos

wise summit
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still at least you get purp plates in 72

quiet adder
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Don't you love it when ayaya crashes into backline and fires torpedos

delicate shore
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for the burst

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and range

real notch
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big dmg and range but you'll have a 1.36RoF or something

delicate shore
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u only get one shot in pvp anyway

hot creek
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I plan half bofors half ufo

vague token
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i put gold bofors on my juneau

real notch
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if the enemy is good and they space their fighters

vague token
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xD

delicate shore
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according to ppl in community server

real notch
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they'll force your AA circle to pretick before the cudas come in

delicate shore
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well i wont know until i try

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if only royal boxes will stop giving me bananas

real notch
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basically

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as long as noobs people stop using VF17

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they'll realize reppuu is master race

wise summit
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alternatively don't run planes laffeyDrink

delicate shore
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im still pretty convinced that ufos are legit

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in pvp

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more so than bofors

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lol

real notch
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ye ufos are legit

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you should have them on all USS BBs and juneau

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but if you're gonna slap a UFO on belfast

delicate shore
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thats what im doing rn

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lol

real notch
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that's a big thonk

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from me

delicate shore
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wasd and juneau have my ufo

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but im trying to give hood one too

slow totem
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UFO on Everything

delicate shore
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i have

wise summit
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Am I the only one that calls it roomba

delicate shore
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6 bananas now

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god dammit

slow totem
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Roomba is cute nickname

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But ufo is faster to type

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i’m on phone

delicate shore
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theres nothing i hate more than getting gold CV equips

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tbh

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lol

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bananas/catas

slow totem
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What about Gold Crane/Purple Seaplanes?

delicate shore
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i havent gotten much cranes

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only ever gotten 2 cranes

slow totem
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Lucky Bastard

wise summit
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I have so many quint torps

hot creek
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Cranes are not the worst thing you can get. At least they give aux plates.

slow totem
delicate shore
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how many quints u got

hot creek
slow totem
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So many quints, they drop from every single box

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Heeeeey, CVL planes!

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Not too bad.

real notch
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or post what i got yesterday

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big oof

delicate shore
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look at my useless quints

real notch
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i blame recluse

slow totem
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Holy shit, 12

delicate shore
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12 quints

lime rivet
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Jesus

wise summit
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you have more quints than me

vague token
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dear god

real notch
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idek how much i have

vague token
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that's a lot

real notch
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lemme check

vague token
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i have precisely 4

delicate shore
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yeah

vague token
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lol

lime rivet
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Yay, popped up to rank 6 after reset

delicate shore
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7 unenhanced

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LOL

lime rivet
slow totem
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Ofc, You really want to enhance them all?

hot creek
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yeah i stopped upgrading those quints after about 5 as well. need to save the plates for mag torps soon™

delicate shore
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i barely even use the ones that are enhanced

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fuck quints

slow totem
real notch
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yikes

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i only have 10

slow totem
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only

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You’d use, like what? 5-6 at most

real notch
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yea pre much

wise summit
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You'd use like 0 soon

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magtorps comin

delicate shore
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i use quads in pvp

slow totem
delicate shore
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instead

vague token
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id use quads

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if i had any

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rip

delicate shore
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quads have more dmg and hit the backline

lime rivet
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Avrora people, feel free to whack me, i've used up my pvp attempts tamaDab

delicate shore
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and better spacing according to some ppl

real notch
#

im coming for that booty

vague token
#

points!

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xD

real notch
#

mr. rank 6

delicate shore
#

@lime rivet ill see your fleet soon

#

lol

vague token
#

i gotta swap my belfast out of dorm first, just hit 100

delicate shore
#

fuck man

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i am salty af

#

about getting another banana

#

really wanted another ufo

real notch
#

at least u didn't get a crane

hot creek
#

same. sakura boxes are all fucking garbage for me. I have like 5 useless A6M5, not a single 100mm or quad torp from them

real notch
#

like me

delicate shore
#

lol true

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whatd u get again

#

3 golds

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but all unusable

#

except for the quint

hot creek
#

and everytime I do a map that gives T5 boxes

#

they always give me sakura

delicate shore
#

i got my first ufo from a t5 box

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and then another one from a box

real notch
#

crane quint and catapult

delicate shore
#

then i farmed my 3rd one

real notch
delicate shore
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lmao

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those gold pulls

zenith tundra
#

how many t3 plates u need for rainbow magnet torp?

pastel forge
#

still have no ufo, and only 1 quad

delicate shore
#

280

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from +6 to +10

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i believe

lime rivet
#

Too fukken many

zenith tundra
#

i'm at 400

lime rivet
#

In other words

delicate shore
#

then u gud

lime rivet
#

At least i got anothet gold catapult out of boxes

real notch
#

i've been saving up purple plate stoo

delicate shore
#

i hate getting gold catas

real notch
#

i'm ready sandyMeme

delicate shore
#

i only use like 4 at the most

slow totem
#

I saved this for quick reminder.

#

288

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Holy fking shit

delicate shore
#

oh mb

real notch
#

144 only?

#

jeez it feels like so much more

idle python
#

use 288 aux plates to +10 your z-flag smugBucky

slow totem
#

Worth

idle python
#

if you atually do that you can go ahead and donate me all your purple plates instead

slow totem
#

144 Purples for Gold Twin 410mm

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For extra beeg deec flexing

real notch
#

LMAO

#

+10 gold btd for more touchdown, speed, AA, and launch drakeno
+10 gold btd for flex drakeyea

#

alright time to go to #gameplay-help to recruit some people to this channel

delicate shore
#

lul

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damn i dont have syanda on my list

#

i got the rank 5 guy instead

wise summit
#

I dunno if people need to be actively recruited

delicate shore
#

well

#

im rank 1 on avrora now

#

lol

#

for like 5 mins

vague token
#

đź‘Ź

lime rivet
#

I dropped down to 30 now

delicate shore
#

oh wow

#

i was refreshing while i was rank 10

#

trying to find u

real notch
#

i'm trying to create the ultimate community here ok AquaHmph

wise summit
#

I think it's better if it's mostly people who actively want to be part of it and seek it out to make a good community but that's a philosophical thing I guess

vague token
#

oh, i see syanda

#

rank 60 now

#

dat hms

delicate shore
#

im rank 1

#

u see me?

vague token
#

not enough points to see rank 1 yet

#

xD

delicate shore
#

o

real notch
#

i missed 2 more fights today

vague token
#

oh no

#

=(

delicate shore
#

F

real notch
#

spent 2 hours right before reset in a meeting with my boss

delicate shore
#

shoulda told him to take a hike

#

cuz u need to play AL

real notch
#

yea holy

#

if i actually remembered

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i woulda asked to be excused for 5 mins

#

LMAO

delicate shore
#

xd

vague token
#

oof, warspite ate a 2k demon dance

delicate shore
#

im gonna start memes with HMS

vague token
#

xD

delicate shore
#

once i get QE and WS to 200

#

im farming ufo parts with them

#

and fortune

#

lul

coral wren
#

Which gun for Eldridge?

slow totem
#

Imagine Warspite equipping two UFOs on her chest lol

#

I used to use the Aya Gun but I recently switched to Twin 100mm Gold cause Eld has 115% main gun efficiency

vague token
#

she has base 190 reload

#

or something crazy

zenith tundra
#

i like 76mm on both aya and eldridge for barrage spam

vague token
#

might as well use something a bit slower

#

but get way more damage

slow totem
#

Yea, but with 76mm she does nothing but barrage and skill

#

With Gold Twin 100mm, her normal shots actually do something on top of barrage

#

Try it, enhanced of course

#

If not enhanced, Aya Gun is still superior

wise summit
#

If you don't have a gold twin handy it's fine to use aya gun

vague token
#

i cant +10 my gold twin 100mm yet, need to use plates on z23 retro

#

xD

slow totem
#

Never enough (purple) plates

wise summit
#

Frontline damage is while not statistically irrelevant still minimal compared to backline

zenith tundra
#

i have 0 100mm golds so guess aya gun it is

slow totem
abstract cypress
vague token
#

vanguard needs chip to guarantee BB kills

#

is all

#

or kill confirm them

#

after burn damage

zenith tundra
#

i'd say my aya keep up with main every battle

vague token
#

KILL STEAL jk

slow totem
#

Kill Confirm. I love that phrase

zenith tundra
#

if not mvp

slow totem
vague token
#

nothing like watching a 1 hp destroyer zoom off

#

at the speed of light

#

xD

#

cause fire doesnt kill

slow totem
#

I may train Glowworm just for the memes

vague token
#

they should make it so that fire extinguisher prevents fire death

#

and make fire kill

#

=D

slow totem
#

Bagging E during Lucky E is gonna be hilarious

#

RAMMING SPEED

vague token
#

xD

slow totem
#

Or, “DODGE THIS”

wise summit
#

unlucky e

vague token
#

i dont understand

#

helena with hood/kaga

#

like

#

what

#

none of those are going to sync

#

WHYYYYYY

zenith tundra
#

makes no sense

slow totem
#

Maybe they are hoping for the 2nd airstrike proc

wise summit
#

It syncs from second radar onwards but

slow totem
#

:kappa

wise summit
#

that's not what you want

#

Maybe it's all they had

pastel forge
#

tbf it does sync with hood

wise summit
#

No hood fires at like 17 sec

vague token
#

if you do FCR hood there's no way

pastel forge
#

well ofc, but with only 410 it does sync

zenith tundra
#

u lose like 1 barrage x fight tho

slow totem
#

With 406 you mean?

#

410 Hood fires too fast

#

For Helena

abstract cypress
#

all can syncemilesip

pastel forge
#

I think it hits just at the right time, 410 with no reload eq. for first barrage at least

wise summit
#

If it does it doesn't keep it up from second on lol

slow totem
#

Unenhanced 410 maybe

zenith tundra
#

u need a +6 410mm to hit helena debuf

#

it shoot at around 19.xx

slow totem
#

But why? XD Just use enhanced 406

zenith tundra
#

and u get debuf when it air

wise summit
#

At +10 hood fires at like 17-18

abstract cypress
#

did u ever get helena aint proc more than 1 mins

slow totem
#

Yep

pastel forge
#

release at 19 but arrived at 20 or so

abstract cypress
#

its hard rng

slow totem
#

A full minute no proc

wise summit
#

Helena doesn't have a high chance isn't it only like 60

zenith tundra
#

i saw like 4 lucky e in a row and had to reset...

abstract cypress
#

then everything can work emilesip

vague token
#

60 is high

stable panther
#

60% is big

vague token
#

remember, most doubling skills are 30

slow totem
#

Nah, Eldridge can’t work against Akaga, Maisora

real notch
#

YAHALLO EVERYONE

wise summit
#

sure in comparison to other ships but I mean in a general sense

stable panther
#

eldridge have a 20s hidden cooldown

real notch
wise summit
#

Slightly better than a coin toss

slow totem
#

Not hidden so much as shitty translation

stable panther
#

you need to wait 20s before her rainbow can procc

slow totem
#

Just add “Stats on cooldown”

real notch
#

my recruiting failed but i'll try next time GWahreeVampySmug

slow totem
#

Problem solved

wise summit
#

It does say that doesn't it

real notch
#

kano who AquaDerp

delicate shore
#

who u trying to recruit

#

?

real notch
#

uhh just people who ask pvp questions

delicate shore
#

get dunk in here

real notch
delicate shore
#

hes like the only guru that does pvp

wise summit
#

Oh it doesn't

delicate shore
#

lol

abstract cypress
#

i lost GWczoSayoriDed

real notch
#

actually if i knew who this character is that'd be sick

wise summit
#

It's already better than #gameplay-help because you don't have the smuglords going "pvp is broken and if you enjoy playing it for some reason you're stupid"

real notch
#

because i use this emote all the time --> yay

abstract cypress
#

damn nox lag i cant quit REEEE

lime rivet
#

@real notch this is not #gameplay-help. There is no better #gameplay-help. There is just #gameplay-help and #pvp. Any attempt to encourage channel elitism, as seen by me, will result in your ejection from this channel (and probably help too). Am I clear?

real notch
#

hmm

#

does that seem like a fair assessment

delicate shore
abstract cypress
slow totem
#

What did you do? Naughty Inazuma

zenith tundra
#

pvp is fun imo i just don't like the ranking system because anyone can reset to win

real notch
#

apparently

#

all isaid was

#

i want to make this a good community

#

and now i'm some evil entity promoting elitism and trying to disrupt the peace of the server

slow totem
#

@zenith tundra while that is partly true, you won’t beat some strong composition just by going whatever

stable panther
#

yeah, just make the attempt for PVP used up the moment you press go at the fight

real notch
#

SeemsLegit

stable panther
#

that will make PVP less munchkin-ny

slow totem
#

@stable panther That’s unfair because disconnection can happen.

#

Necessary evil but yea

#

Better than the alternative

wise summit
#

There's a lot of ways pvp could be improved

stable panther
#

then be like HI3, they boot you back to the fight you disconected to

wise summit
#

I think the main issue is the current "goal" is waiting for other people to play their games to maximise your score

pastel forge
#

a lot of game calculate pvp result the moment you enter battle, can be solution to dc

slow totem
#

I’d prefer real time Manual PvP maybe? Hmmmmmmm....

stable panther
#

oh well, doesn't matter, no one cares to improve or change PVP anyway

real notch
#

syanda if you are trying to type some long message

#

can you please send it in DMs

lime rivet
#

On that note, what I said applies to every single one of you here

real notch
#

i feel it doesn't really concern the other members of #pvp

slow totem
#

@stable panther That’s a hyperbolic generalization, there are people who care

lime rivet
#

This is a pvp discussion and advice channel. It's not meant to replace #gameplay-help, but to share the question load to take pressure off that channel.

slow totem
#

Just there are people who care about CA’s late game issue

stable panther
#

@slow totem i forgot to add "at least, none of the dev seems to care"

slow totem
#

But we aren’t YoStar staff so... eh

#

True, same issue with CA’s late game performance

lime rivet
#

I do not want to see people here going in and egging #gameplay-help or picking a fight there, as @real notch had just done.

abstract cypress
#

chat is better dead -mod emilesip

slow totem
#

Chill out

stable panther
#

well, a dead chat is better than a misused chat tbh

real notch
#

syanda

#

why are you typing this in #pvp

#

here

delicate shore
#

picking a fight?

#

naughty boi

real notch
#

me included AquaDerp

#

please respond to my DM so you stop disrupting the conversation here

delicate shore
#

i wish i was not help banned so i could see whats going on

real notch
#

uhh

#

ufo is super decent

#

and basically what happened was

#

i thought the wiki had a problem because the RoF on my gun wasn't the same as on wiki

vague token
#

got to rank 10 out of exercises

#

T_T

real notch
#

but i forgot to account for ship reload

#

and then i get this reply from wis

delicate shore
#

lmao req

#

he gotchur back

vague token
#

req laying the smackdown

#

xD

real notch
#

yea then req suddenly just

#

roasted wis

vague token
#

also ow, 12.7k wasd/e hurts

real notch
#

but the big conclusion is apparently syanda thinks i started it

vague token
#

im not fully maxed out to go against that

#

must rng

real notch
#

which is a big thonk

delicate shore
#

try my 13.2k wasd ent then

vague token
#

xD

delicate shore
#

damn

#

im missing out on some juicy drama

vague token
#

someday ill try the fight

delicate shore
vague token
#

or maybe just oath wash and save myself some trouble

abstract cypress
#

wasd power aint matter tbh emilesip

wise summit
#

looks like enterprise duels regardless

delicate shore
#

maxed wasd hood is 13.6k

real notch
#

btw recluse

delicate shore
#

wasd ent is 13.2k

real notch
#

are u having trouble killing vanguard

#

with wasd hood

#

3x 410

delicate shore
#

its a gamble

#

some times i do

#

sometimes i dont

real notch
#

i feel like those 410s miss vanguard al lthe time

delicate shore
#

but if they get past my vanguardd

#

3x BB backline shreds their ass to bits

real notch
#

i'm still on wasd ent so ent usually cleans up the vanguard

stable panther
#

410 is great to trigger volley effect

#

like barrage, healing etc

real notch
#

yea that's true

stable panther
#

they are actually a bit meh for actual damaging purpose

real notch
#

i really like that about 3x BB/BC backline

delicate shore
#

ye

real notch
#

just the 127s shredding

delicate shore
#

and their 2ndaries hit hard af

#

too

real notch
#

yea lol it's amazing

vague token
#

150 on hood rip

delicate shore
#

yep

real notch
#

btw recluse

#

is ur hms fleet done

delicate shore
#

uhh

#

other than not having 200 affection

#

pretty much

#

i guess

#

im farming with qe and ws to bring them to 200 tho

real notch
#

how much fleetpower r u at

#

i'm guessing like

#

12.5k

delicate shore
#

lemme check

#

after this boss fight

slow totem
#

Drama is bad

#

I prefer Action

zenith tundra
#

should i use pirate with akaga?

#

is the aa worth?

delicate shore
#

huh

#

thats weird

stable panther
#

pirate?

zenith tundra
#

f4u pirate

real notch
#

uhh

stable panther
#

use QE with other nations boat sandyMeme

delicate shore
#

why is it so high

#

LOL

lime rivet
#

VF-17, he means

real notch
#

disclaimer that all top tier gold fighters are like very very similar performance

#

but if you like to minmax

#

i would say don't use VF17

delicate shore
#

not even 200 affection yet

real notch
#

the reasons are VF17 has low touchdown dmg and pools a lot of stats into AA

#

in a mainly wasd meta

#

i would focus on fighters that have more plane-to-ship dmg

vague token
#

5% aa probably wont save you from lucky e nor akaga anyways

real notch
#

like reppuu and hellcat

delicate shore
#

brah

#

HMS can hit 13k

#

confirmed

real notch
#

you also space out fighters that way

#

wait how tf are u reaching 13k

vague token
#

oh, but i guess when sandy kai shows up

delicate shore
#

idk

real notch
#

suzuteo lied to me? KizunaTriggered

delicate shore
#

im using double gold radars

vague token
#

you can buff her aa more lol

zenith tundra
#

i'm running dual +10 hellcat now

delicate shore
#

on WS and QE

real notch
#

oh

delicate shore
#

gold fcr and sg radar

real notch
#

hm

delicate shore
#

on hood

real notch
#

hmm

delicate shore
#

and QE and WS still need 200 affection

#

soo

real notch
#

well i'm not an HMS expert but

delicate shore
#

yea i think max for HMS is gon be 13k

real notch
#

i think suzuteo probably thought 12.7k given 2 purple FCRs

delicate shore
#

prob

lime rivet
#

Pretty much

real notch
#

seems fair tho

#

WS having FCR would be pretty lit

lime rivet
#

Because people typically run the FCRs instead of SGR

delicate shore
#

so akaga is the only that cant hit 13k

vague token
#

laughs/cries in nagato

#

xD

real notch
#

yea

#

12.9k

delicate shore
#

they might be able to with nagato maybe

#

different ships have different power lvls

real notch
#

prolly

#

cus nagato has gold BB gun

delicate shore
#

yea

#

then they can get 13k for sure

vague token
#

dont you also run double catapult with nagato

delicate shore
#

idk

vague token
#

the aviation multiplier just becomes crazy

delicate shore
#

ask patchy

real notch
#

on foxes?

delicate shore
#

he uses nakaga

real notch
#

no you still use fuel tanks

vague token
#

yeah cause you get 200 times 20%

delicate shore
#

@idle python

vague token
#

and let aviation boost plane hp or something?

delicate shore
#

someone has a question for u

abstract cypress
#

nope

delicate shore
abstract cypress
#

u need 1 tank for cv

real notch
#

yeah

idle python
#

hello

real notch
#

plane HP boosted for touchdown dmg

delicate shore
#

hey patchy

vague token
#

oh, i thought the hp from the aviation was relevant enough

real notch
#

that's the only reason you run fueltank

vague token
#

xD

delicate shore
#

do u use 2x catas on nakaga

idle python
#

no

real notch
#

1x cata 1x fuel tank

delicate shore
real notch
abstract cypress
real notch
#

anyways

#

hmm wait i think i can figure this out with math

delicate shore
#

what

vague token
#

i mean you'd just basically check the damage difference on torp/bombs

#

compared to the lost hp on end of screen

#

straight math check

real notch
#

uhh

#

there's a formula for touchdown dmg

vague token
#

yeah

real notch
#

i have it but i can't find it

abstract cypress
#

but no tank means they easily shooted down mutsukiStare

#

did they boost plane later on thinkpitz

real notch
#

but if my theory is correct i think it's dmg x (plane hp + hp boost)

#

so for example

#

using the reppuu for instance

#

the touchdown dmg is 162

#

so it's a flat amount

delicate shore
#

whered u get that chart?

real notch
#

based on flat HP at 479

delicate shore
#

the wiki doesnt have those stats

#

da fuq

#

bad wiki

real notch
#

extra HP tacked on top of it's current 479

#

479 + 120

zenith tundra
#

25% dmg boost pretty much

real notch
#

touchdown dmg should be like some function of that extra HP boost

#

i'm too lazy to find the formula

#

@delicate shore AquaHehe secret sources

#

jk i'll send it

vague token
#

uh, touchdown is current hp%

delicate shore
#

just post it here

real notch
vague token
#

but when you have more max hp

#

the same amount of damage

lime rivet
#

That's from that blog, yeah

vague token
#

is less percent

lime rivet
#

Was about to link it

delicate shore
#

nice

real notch
#

i spent 2 days in hyperbolic time chamber this blog learning stuff that it seems was unknown knowledge