pvp

[slow totem]

So she always dies first.

[real notch]

if you're not using badge helena can have badge too

[hybrid obsidian]

i did beaver and torp bulge

[wise summit]

my badge is on sodak

[real notch]

alright

just toolkit x bulge

[slow totem]

Just buff Helena’s hp, all that matters is her skill anyway.

[real notch]

then

[hybrid obsidian]

[slow totem]

Yea

If she procs

[hybrid obsidian]

badge on sodak instead of wa

y

[slow totem]

My badge is on QE.

Stacks with Queen’s Command.

[hybrid obsidian]

wa cant pull off that dmg up if she doesbt last

while sodak can be invincible once

[real notch]

neverforget the first time someone mentioned badge on a bb backline

[wise summit]

that's an interesting proposition

[real notch]

RIP suzuteo

[hybrid obsidian]

lul, i just look at cn wiki

someone put that build on and i was like

how come

but then i saw the reasoning was sound

[wise summit]

I might try that actually, my line of thinking was that since she's in the middle slot always it'd be better if she had more damage reduc

[hybrid obsidian]

like whoever is worse at evading than ca

[slow totem]

BB

[hybrid obsidian]

ofc, backline has like none

[slow totem]

14 EVA

[real notch]

@wise summit badge on sodak will become more viable against nagato twinfox meta

[slow totem]

[wise summit]

in nagato twinfox meta

I am nagato twinfox

[real notch]

[slow totem]

Good thing we have Belfast, Fortune, and NoCal

[real notch]

anyways

[slow totem]

For Nagato Twinfox

[wise summit]

I'm very interested to see how it goes

[real notch]

atm badge on sodak is overmitigation of damage

[hybrid obsidian]

hmm, i dont sodak in middle when i normally atk

[slow totem]

Will still be a long while.

[hybrid obsidian]

hence badge on my wa instead

[real notch]

washington will proc iron less likely, and she'll die more likely

[hybrid obsidian]

since sodak cant heal damage that she herself takes, i put her on the side instead

[slow totem]

I wonder if Aegis applies to herself would be OP

[wise summit]

hm if I badge wash, what do I put on sodak- double gold radar? I currently have HSFCR/Radar on wash, badge/radar on sodak

[real notch]

just swap the auxes around

washington - SG x badge
sodak - SG x HCFR

that's what i've been using for a couple weeks

[wise summit]

does wash barrage not benefit from firepower

[hybrid obsidian]

sodak got focus assault so it s better for her to get the fcr

[real notch]

yea i mean u can swap it over

[hybrid obsidian]

while washington barrage isnt always going to proc

[real notch]

but my issue is the 15 less EVA

[wise summit]

I'll try that setup and let you know how it feels over this season

sg/badge for wash, sg/hsfcr for sodak

[hybrid obsidian]

washington imo should just use defensive stuff if she ever gets any

[real notch]

ye

[hybrid obsidian]

[real notch]

that's where panda's guide is wrong for EN

[hybrid obsidian]

works for me

[real notch]

they create the guide based in the CN/JP environment so they overvalue belfast, overvalue badge sodak

[wise summit]

the panda guide for juneau listed the suggested gun as the DD 100mm

[real notch]

the meta in EN doesn't have that many foxes so anti-CV options are not that great

[wise summit]

which I boggled at and ignored

[real notch]

yea again the twin 100mm is +45 AA vs twin 127mm +25 AA

[wise summit]

ahh, it's for AA

[real notch]

it's all nagato twinfox focused

[hybrid obsidian]

huh

isnt it more like 25 vs 20?

[real notch]

that's what i was saying earlier about panda/aristiya's guide not "tweaked" for EN

[hybrid obsidian]

i dont recall any dd gun having 45 value

[real notch]

oh

mb ur right

[wise summit]

it's 25/30

[real notch]

ye

[wise summit]

just checked on mine

[real notch]

i got the numbers mixed up with the range

[hybrid obsidian]

lel, in the end i love 100mm more, maybe since it s part of IJN

[real notch]

yea it's a big DPS sacrifice

[wise summit]

the thing is juneau doesn't use 127mm, juneau is a CL

[real notch]

because twin 100mm is normal while twin 127mm is HE

[hybrid obsidian]

not that much really, since it s dd gun

[real notch]

you mean she should use triple 155mm?

[hybrid obsidian]

and modt front line is lightly armored

[real notch]

i'm not sure about that

[mental sierra]

fffffffffffffffff

somebody moved but it's not enough

🔫

[real notch]

i think DPS wise twin 127mm is the optimal gun for CL/DD

[hybrid obsidian]

ye, but u still have to hit some anyway

lel

im at the same rank range

[wise summit]

I personally don't have enough gold 127s but plenty of gold belgun so that informs my decision

[hybrid obsidian]

welp, i put those on my 3 BBs so in the end nothing was loss

[wise summit]

unless purple 127 > belgun

[hybrid obsidian]

naw, belgun superior

i d like uss gals to take belguns too

so i can take em to higher pve map

with less worry

Also 20 more fp

[grave gale]

Helena does crap damage with her AP gun.

4kish Really low

[wise summit]

all the frontlines in PvP are CL and DD anyhow

[hybrid obsidian]

when i use CLs in pvp, they get belgun

i feel like it deals a tiny bit more dmg w it

[wise summit]

I think AP gun nets to more damage if it reliably pierces, but in PvP you tend to want damage bursted to single ships rather than spread anyway

though the belgun firing pattern is pretty godawful now that I'm watching it closely

[modern tree]

Belgun is basically default choice for pvp because while the spread is awful in a lot of situations, the shots that are off targets might hit on the parralel bullets, its extra FP and everything in pvp vanguards is light, you kill backline with just torps, sincae all the ships servicable in pvp use torps with veeeeery few exceptions

[dusky raven]

Is it even possible to gain 13K power on Backline fleet!?!

[tough vapor]

yes

[hollow spindle]

+10 gears, yes

[dusky raven]

HOW!

[real notch]

yes

[unique oracle]

yes

[real notch]

you use SSR BBs

[hollow spindle]

Guess I will refresh

[real notch]

come fight me i have 1:1 akashi purple heart for you to beat

[tough vapor]

im only at 12.5k

[grave gale]

Only wasd can reach 13k unless they've got screwy set ups

[hollow spindle]

Ringed Enty + Hood are so common

[grave gale]

foxes and hms hit around 12.7k

[dusky raven]

I'm at avg of 11k power now ._.

[tough vapor]

@grave gale does the game even calculate the extra 35% from the skill?

[grave gale]

what 35%, the foxes?

[tough vapor]

yeah

foxes

[grave gale]

Yes. It adds 35% more aviation to both of them

[tough vapor]

leme try removing one of my foxes

k just lost a good 5k fire power

weeew

[grave gale]

oh you meant in fleet power

[real notch]

[grave gale]

it doesn't calculate it there

[real notch]

yea he was talking about fleetpower man

i'm not sure exactly the hidden calculations behind fleetpower

i'm not really concerned with it

[dusky raven]

What ships that is purposely used to gain 13K backfleet power!?!

[real notch]

@dusky raven SSR BBs

[dusky raven]

SR?

[real notch]

ye

[dusky raven]

I'm still need to lvl up washington ._.

[grave gale]

Washington, Hood, South Dakora all reach around 4.5k power with full gold +10 gear

Enterprise reaches around 4.1k

[dusky raven]

Shit

So it's all BB only?

[grave gale]

No. Washington, South Dakota and Enterprise still hits 13k

[inland tiger]

Who should i be using to get the highest rank?

[real notch]

highest PVP rank?

[inland tiger]

Uh huh

[real notch]

wasd + ent

for frontline, use juneau, eldridge, belfast

if you don't wanna use juneau or eldridge, you can use helena and fortune

[inland tiger]

Do u have to get the pearl tear for juneau?

[real notch]

nope

but you should get it anyways

[alpine finch]

anyone in washy here

[real notch]

fvr is

he's not here tho

[alpine finch]

rip

i wanted to know what it was like fighting my squad

any major weakpoints

[real notch]

washington server is pretty interesting

no ryuusei, no reppuu, no rainbow dildos

[alpine finch]

meta is set this season

so many eldridge

cause it was all enty last season

[real notch]

yep

ur exactly right

[alpine finch]

im expecting more foxes

inc

[real notch]

u r right about that too

[inland tiger]

I was usin the hms fleet with lusty instead of warspite n jav instead of leander, is that outdated?

[real notch]

i swapped to foxes last week

[alpine finch]

wasd/nc incoming

cya foxes

[hollow spindle]

It's still Ringed Hood + Enty era

[real notch]

right again

though i'm not sure many people have maxed NCs

[alpine finch]

i need to work on my AA

mine is missing some LB

[real notch]

@inland tiger not outdated

[alpine finch]

but almost maxed on book

i might try some fortune memes down the road

[real notch]

but using illustrious without eldridge and replacing warspite is probably the most harmful alternative

[alpine finch]

but i think i like eldridge a lot for being sticky

[real notch]

eldridge is really good

[inland tiger]

I didnt have warspite until recently so..

[real notch]

as u said she counters ent

you can use illustrious if you pair her with eldridge

it's a strong combo

[alpine finch]

ye

right now my go to is lusty/hood/enty, minnea/helena/eld

at least after i get that last LB on eld

[inland tiger]

Then who should i be replacing for eld in my hms front?

Btw why is minnea fp seems so overated?

[alpine finch]

sticky frontline

[inland tiger]

Oh

U want peep to get annoyed

[alpine finch]

i dont have that much dmg in my frontline

helena and backline pretty much carries hard

eldridge/minnea pretty beefy

i'll probably fit juneau down the road instead of minnea

i have her kept mostly since i dont have that many resources

+10 golds not too easy to make on washington server atm

[inland tiger]

I can barely reach 500+ on lexington with alot of +10 gold

[celest minnow]

so what beats washington/sd backline right now, i have like a 10% winrate against it with akaga

[alpine finch]

what's your entire fleet looking like

[mental sierra]

YAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSS

time to profit

[celest minnow]

juneau bel x and hood / e in last backline slot

[alpine finch]

what server is that

[mental sierra]

avrora

[alpine finch]

i dont think there's even 3000 on washington

[mental sierra]

oh baby

[alpine finch]

akaga is hard if ur fighting wasd

[celest minnow]

ive been messing around with helena in frontline lately but i dont think shes good with akaga since the timing doesnt sync

[alpine finch]

since you'll probably be losing those 2 instantly

yea not very good

standard carriers like enty are godsends with helena

hood should be fine vs wasd so thats not the issue

probably replacing foxes with more traditional

enty

[celest minnow]

i can run my own washington/sd into it but id rather find another team

[alpine finch]

i usually run hood/enty/lusty backline

[real notch]

wow

i only got +17

[alpine finch]

my frontline usually wins if they dont run the usual cancer of juneau helena + whatever

[real notch]

and i was fighting 3k vs 900

[alpine finch]

rip

scammed

[mental sierra]

⚰

[tough vapor]

do you even put a gold fire con radar on wasd?

u only get one so do u put it on washington or south dak?

[alpine finch]

soda

[celest minnow]

probably sd bc she gets the double damage proc?

[alpine finch]

^

washington is timed barrage

[tough vapor]

then what about the other aux equipment?

[alpine finch]

what are your options

[tough vapor]

normal purple fire cons?

[alpine finch]

generally gold SG radar

[tough vapor]

oh yeah

those

i only have one tho sad life

i should start farming for them

[alpine finch]

i dont even have 1

[tough vapor]

just spam 6-1

[celest minnow]

i farmed my first one, that was painful

[tough vapor]

lol same

like 190 runs

[alpine finch]

i always spam 6-1 for leveling newer ships

mixing it with 6-4 tho

Should be similar to soda

gold SG over reloader

[tough vapor]

i see those

GEMS

[alpine finch]

🐳

[celest minnow]

👀

[tough vapor]

what were you PLANING to do with them GEMS

[alpine finch]

prob more waifus and rings

[celest minnow]

ill have to try leveling up lusty to run into wash/sd then and see how it works

i still have her at level 80

[alpine finch]

if ur frontline can deal with them yea lusty good choice

shes not squishy either with heavy armor

[grave gale]

lusty is not a good choice

[tough vapor]

i thought wasd was for blowing up backline

[grave gale]

lusty has bad damage and her shield doesn't do much for the vanguard unless you pair her with eldridge

[tough vapor]

eldridge is already broken on her own

[alpine finch]

until foxes

[tough vapor]

yeah but

if u take foxes into wasd

they die pretty quick

[grave gale]

foxes have no problem with most wasd groups if they're geared well

I run foxes and smash wasd

[tough vapor]

did they have an ENTY

[grave gale]

Yes. Foxes are strong against enterprise

[alpine finch]

enty wasd gets rekt by foxes

[grave gale]

They kill her before she can do much

[alpine finch]

its a matter of survival

[celest minnow]

im running max everything on my akaga combo and i have like a 10% winrate against wasd

[tough vapor]

same

[alpine finch]

is ur frontline winning

[grave gale]

It's wasd + hood that gives foxes trouble not enty and almost everybody uses enty

[celest minnow]

close to even

[tough vapor]

wait if u have washington + hood

whos goin in the middle?

[alpine finch]

sd

[tough vapor]

no... for the barrage

[alpine finch]

i'd value hood barrage much more

[tough vapor]

washington barrage is like 3 waves tho

[alpine finch]

its rly weak compared to hood

[alpine finch]

from what ive used, hood deletes most backlines

[celest minnow]

yes except im using pirate/hellcat

[tough vapor]

i use ryuusei on akagai and banana on kaga

isnt hellcat better than reppu?

[celest minnow]

ryuusei lower health i thought

[tough vapor]

probably

i just dont have a second bananana

[celest minnow]

oh

i meant reppu

not ryuusei

[grave gale]

That's my full offensive pvp team

[celest minnow]

i use tbts on my juneau

[tough vapor]

wheres the HELLENA

[grave gale]

AP is awful in PVP

[real notch]

Ap is not good in pvp

Tho the twin 113mm is prolly better on juneau than eldridge

[alpine finch]

i use AP in pvp

good thing washy server is behind

[tough vapor]

@grave gale tbh i think Helena + Enty + WASD is better

problem is its an all RNG fleet

[alpine finch]

helena+enty alone should nearly delete a frontline

if both proc

[grave gale]

I did run wasd + enty before but I got sick of the lucky e duels

[alpine finch]

not many frontlines survive that

[grave gale]

foxes give me much faster wins

[alpine finch]

i would love foxes

but 3 weeks and no fox

means 3-4 some more

[celest minnow]

okay ill try triple 155s on my frontline instead of tbts

[tough vapor]

bel guns ftw

[alpine finch]

i need to ditch the AP gun i have on minnea

[grave gale]

Since I've switched back to foxes, I've only came across one fleet that was a roadblock for me. I had to reset multiple times to win. It wasn't even a fully maxed fleet either but they roadblocked me.

Their vanguard was taking no damage from Akaga. Probably due to both Cleveland and Juneau's anti air going off plus Bel's smoke

Aside from that one fleet, it's been smooth sailing.

I try to save screen shots of whenever I come across something that I need to reset to win against.

[wise summit]

I switched to foxes after I got sick of wasd/ent duels and ran into a similar fleet

Instead of sticking with foxes though I decided to run wasd hood instead and I'm much happier

I was running foxes before the Washington patch and it was golden days then

[celest minnow]

i literally have beaten everything with akaga/hood outside of wasd teams except for 1 guy with an hms fleet yesterday

[odd schooner]

If you want to avoid lucky E duels, try using 410mm on both BBs so they would hit and if cannot sink, burn enty.

[real notch]

o

[alpine finch]

usually juneau+belfast is the block for me

[real notch]

i've posted my wasd + hood reset tests before

that wasn't the biggest problem

[alpine finch]

if they're tanky enough

[real notch]

so it must be cleveland then

but hard to think cleveland can have such a significant effect on the winrate

[alpine finch]

maybe just enough AA

i have barely any options for BBs so I gave up on that one

[real notch]

here are tests against a 13.5k wasd hood

残韵 (south dakota, washington, hood | juneau, belfast, leander) 13.5/12.1
current fleet (hood, akagi, kaga | juneau, belfast, eldridge) 12.8/12.1
game 1 - win
game 2 - win
game 3 - win
game 4 - tie
game 5 - win
game 6 - win
game 7 - win
game 8 - close win
game 9 - loss
game 10 - win

vanguard only has 1 AA mode ship though

but backline is 1.3k higher than lunar's opponent

[acoustic moon]

only 12.8k power main though

[alpine finch]

I need torp dildo for aya

[acoustic moon]

but my own is 11.5k power

and all my backline ships survived

so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[real notch]

man

i really wanna fight a maxed HMS fleet

how have i not found 1 in avrora since i started playing

i actually found suzuteo in ladder twice

but each time he had a meme fleet

[alpine finch]

ill run wasd whenever soda gets that skin

[mental sierra]

FIGHT MY MAXED HMS FLEET @real notch

IT'S THE MAXEDEST

[real notch]

dang it

it's because of u sneaky HMS players i can't pinpoint place HMS in a tierlist

[odd schooner]

The only time hood is paired with sodak w is if it's the offensive actually. Hood barrage on defensive is 🚮

[mental sierra]

42 minutes to reset

Only one match so far. People just aren't moving

⚰

31 minutes. no movement

🔫

[real notch]

i already gave up and played my fight

[wise summit]

same

[real notch]

people this season 2 smart

5 me

[wise summit]

I don't wanna cut it too close to the wire because sometimes I forget

[real notch]

same

i fked myself over so many times by forgetting

[mental sierra]

I try to wait until 15 minutes before

but I almost fucked up 6 hours ago

I'mma do my 4 matches after I finish this hard 5-1

[real notch]

good luck

[hollow fractal]

i always just do my pvps and set a meme fleet so people can get points off me

[coral wren]

so what would I identify as touchdown damage in terms of plane stats? since help isn't helping and I was redirected here 😛

[real notch]

touchdown damage is the damage calculated when any plane launched by your CVs reach the end of the other screen

basically the planes self-destruct and deal damage to backline per plane

[mental sierra]

Alright, time to fight

[real notch]

and thus called "kamikaze" or "touchdown" damage

[coral wren]

ah, those are some deticated pilots

[acoustic moon]

jokes on u

[real notch]

indeed

[acoustic moon]

there are no pilots

[coral wren]

I suppose it could still be green heart causing it though, :P. Since I'm upping her chance to send special airstrikes

[real notch]

there is only enough fuel for a 1 way journey

[acoustic moon]

f

[wise summit]

that's all commercial flights these days

[real notch]

LMAO

tru

but yea hope that answers ur q

[coral wren]

with the cost cuts are you sure they actually put in enough for 1 way 😛

Pretty sure my pvp team is terrible right now since I have all the neptunia HDD CPUs on the team

[delicate shore]

Hmm

Come to think of it

I haven't tried using wasd hood with all 410s yet

[real notch]

poggers

welcome back recluse

[delicate shore]

The only reason I switched to wasd ent was because wasd was being cucked by ent proc

Ty

[coral wren]

Purple Heart either doesn't live long enough to use her super skill or the battle doesn't last long enough (or both :P)

[real notch]

yea i'm not too sure about the neptunia ships

ships? are they even "ships"

[coral wren]

people ship them, does that count?

[real notch]

[mental sierra]

okay, made it

[real notch]

from what i know, black heart should be the best nep ship

[delicate shore]

Hmmm

Since all you guys are using foxes again

[mental sierra]

You guys know any of these people?

[delicate shore]

I might toss in my NC

[real notch]

consistent 115% dmg throughout

[coral wren]

She's been pretty useful in clearing the SP stages I think, really makes quick work of main fleets

[delicate shore]

[real notch]

bring it on

[coral wren]

compared to my Fletcher second fleet

[delicate shore]

Nah I'll prob use hood first

Full 410 backline

[real notch]

meanwhile i don't even have blackheart

rip

i think the biggest problem lunar ran into was

[mental sierra]

well if you seriously blew cubes AIMING for just black heart before she got her rate up

[real notch]

2x AA mode vanguard ships

[mental sierra]

you're a masochist

[real notch]

so juneau + cleveland

not even hood

[coral wren]

I was aiming for purple heart and happened to get everything except purple heart, multiple times, until I got her :/

[delicate shore]

I don't wanna give up fortune tho

So I'll switch bel out if anything

[mental sierra]

I take Bel out if I'm not fighting foxes

[real notch]

LMAO

i just got all the nep lolis

white heart and the girl who likes reading books

[coral wren]

those are the same character 😛

[real notch]

this guy likes fortune too much

oh shit poggers

really?

[mental sierra]

yeah

[coral wren]

Yea, White Heart is the CPU form of Blanc

[real notch]

LLLMFMFFAAOAOO

i never knew

they look so different

[coral wren]

Noire Vert and Neptune are all non-HDD forms of the CPUs

as well, so really we got the chance at 2 copies of 4 characters

even though there are plenty of Neptunia girls to add besides those four 😛

[real notch]

what's the special aviation skill by green heart

[delicate shore]

Blanc you mean

The normal form of white heart

She's cute af

That's the girl in my pfo

Pfp

[coral wren]

not sure, it sends a fleet of planes that are not the planes she has equipped if it triggers

[delicate shore]

[real notch]

oh

yea i just noticed it was blanc

i guess that pic is pretty cute

[coral wren]

at least I think its sending stuff I don't have

[hybrid tendon]

maint soon

[delicate shore]

Gonna try using this then

Cuck all you fox users

[real notch]

that looks pretty

anti fox

[hybrid tendon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[real notch]

LMAO

[hybrid tendon]

beat some guy with a similar lineup

with foxes

just now

[real notch]

are u still not using rainbow dildo

it's pretty good dude

[delicate shore]

Nah I don't use it

Oh shit my Cleveland's AA mode is lvl 1

Lmao

[real notch]

lmfao

rip ur dreams

for 3 days

[delicate shore]

Rip

[hybrid tendon]

lul

[delicate shore]

At least she's 200 affection

No need for affection farming

[coral wren]

Yea whatever Green Heart sends with her skill it has a neptunia plane skin

even when I've removed all the plane skins from her, so yea, I wonder what stats they have

[real notch]

LMAO oh

[coral wren]

unlesss she is like, skinning her bombers sent via the skill and statistically the same

[real notch]

prolly not

there are other CVs in the game that send special airstrikes

and the planes are different

[hybrid tendon]

wasd's barrage are wildly inaccurate

[acoustic moon]

it's precise but inaccurate

[real notch]

it precisely goes everywhere

[acoustic moon]

yes

[hybrid tendon]

only hood's barrage was able to hit anything

[mental sierra]

Someone say maintenance soon?

[acoustic moon]

no

[mental sierra]

There's no maintenance tonight

[acoustic moon]

in a week

Dec 5

[hybrid tendon]

what

[acoustic moon]

you heard what I said

well

[mental sierra]

and what I said

[acoustic moon]

you saw what I typed

[hybrid tendon]

[acoustic moon]

fuk

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtE6utaVYAIDvIQ.jpg:large

Dec 5, 12 AM PST

4 hr long

[hybrid tendon]

least i'd be able to roll for the other 3 rateup rightaway

I guess

[acoustic moon]

whel

[edgy kiln]

sandbagging paid off, this season should be easy

i always rush pvp before

[real notch]

sandbagging? you mean like

[hybrid tendon]

also hardmode chapter 6

[real notch]

waiting for enemies to rank?

[hybrid tendon]

finally we can get purple plates

from fucking hardmode

[mental sierra]

I was about to be like

740 what the fuck how

then I noticed 5/10

[hybrid tendon]

I'm 9/10 699 atm

[mental sierra]

10/10 686

[delicate shore]

I missed 2 matches again

Been too busy playing nep games

[mental sierra]

so did inazuma

[hybrid tendon]

RIP gensui

[delicate shore]

I should still be able to rush gensui

[mental sierra]

100%

[real notch]

i'm a big baka

675 at 9/10

missed 2

[vague token]

oof

[delicate shore]

I'm 308 at 5/10

Right now tho

[real notch]

wait

[delicate shore]

Prob gonna be lower later

[real notch]

wtf lol

[mental sierra]

we're talking score not rank

[delicate shore]

Oh

[mental sierra]

Recluse just gave his rank

[real notch]

LMFAO

[delicate shore]

737

[real notch]

ok that makes sense now

[hybrid tendon]

grinding akagi's last 30 affection points for the perfect backline

I always swap enty out against wasd

for hood

[delicate shore]

I'm really liking the 410

For wasd

[real notch]

yea it's good

you lose about 35% of the dmg tho

[delicate shore]

That's all I had to do to counter ent

[hybrid tendon]

wasd is great as long as they hit anything

which is

[real notch]

but it counters ent

[hybrid tendon]

questionable

[real notch]

well, sort of counters ent

[vague token]

i find the 406 more reliable

[delicate shore]

The diff in dmg isn't that much

Tbh

[real notch]

1st BB proc will land 1/3 of salvos

2nd BB proc will land 3/3

[delicate shore]

You rarely hit all shots anyway

[real notch]

timing wise

[delicate shore]

And against ent it's better to hit something than nothing

[real notch]

ye that's the real argument ^

doesn't matter if it's 35% less because in reality triple 406mm does 0

70% of the time xd

[delicate shore]

Lol ye

I wonder how the 410 would work against foxes tho

Focused assault still hurts like a bitch with the 410

[real notch]

so the actual dmg difference on first salvo is as follows:

twin 410mm - 154 x 2 = 308 x 3 = 924
triple 406mm - 156 x 3 = 468 x3 = 1404

[delicate shore]

Assuming all shots land with the 406..which rarely happens imo

[real notch]

you lose 34.19% of dmg by swapping from triple 406mm to twin 410mm

[vague token]

dont need em all though, you just need 1 chip

xD

[real notch]

ye

[vague token]

second wash barrage is usually close to dead

[real notch]

another thing to consider is splash dmg

[mental sierra]

I'm trying to have one season where I don't miss a single match finally

[hybrid tendon]

but you have to actually hit 'em

to deal damage

[real notch]

because area covered is larger with triple 406mm, the likelihood of landing a salvo is higher with the triple 406mm

[hybrid tendon]

which is questionable

I have given up on wash's barrage to hit anything

[vague token]

wut

at 20, first shot hits, should do about 800 to E

crit for 1200

then you just eat the air strike

at 40, you get almost the full thing

[delicate shore]

Well someone fight my fleet

[vague token]

so between 1600 and 2400

and that's assuming 0 gun shots hit

[delicate shore]

Lmk how it goes

Lol

[real notch]

even at 20sec, the majority of wash barrage will land on ent

you have like a 3 second window

[vague token]

the last tick misses

xD

[real notch]

then at 40s

you have a 6 second window

[delicate shore]

My QE is at 96 affection

Lul

Almost there

[edgy kiln]

QE?

[delicate shore]

Queen Elizabeth

[edgy kiln]

oh queen

rarely seen anyone with full HMS fleet lately

[real notch]

ya same

feelsbadman

never fought a maxed HMS fleet yet

[mental sierra]

I saw 2 last season

[vague token]

i mean, hms is just a stat strat

you build for stats

xD

then buff them more

[delicate shore]

I'll still need to max out affection on WS and QE

[vague token]

low cost but boring xD

fox/e/helena, the great RNG

oh boi

my favorite

[edgy kiln]

ranger laughs

[delicate shore]

Gonna try using wasd hood with all 410s against wasd ent now

[vague token]

yeah, not really concerned with a 30% rng skill

[delicate shore]

Let's see if things turn out different this time

[vague token]

compared to 60% for 40% damage lol

[delicate shore]

Lol

[real notch]

helena with foxes is kinda monkaS

[vague token]

no, fox/e

fox lowers you

e helena gambles you

for an insta backline kill

[real notch]

lmao

[delicate shore]

Yo

[real notch]

radar E is 40% procrate btw

wasup

[delicate shore]

You wanna find out if NC is actually hood against foxes?

[vague token]

yeah, but it forces your comp to be belfast/eldridge

which means you lose on damage

if they helena

even with no E

you're down 20% damage

[real notch]

yea sure

[vague token]

i wouldnt call it good

just annoying

[real notch]

how u gonna find out xd

[delicate shore]

U find me

Lol

[real notch]

LMAO

what rank r u

[hybrid tendon]

a helena procs on airstrikes could snatch victory from the jaw of defeats

[delicate shore]

Prob around 400 now

[real notch]

that's too high

wtgf

[delicate shore]

Well

I could spam and hit 1 rn

Then you could find me ez

Lol

[vague token]

lol

[real notch]

i'm down for spamming after the points go back to +10

[delicate shore]

Lul

[real notch]

sigh

[hybrid tendon]

the dude in my pvp list just spammed all the way to 100

good job

time for some points

[real notch]

come to think of it gensui is like watever to me now

i guess i'll go rank up to find u

[hybrid tendon]

well if you get it every season

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[real notch]

what's ur rank points at rn @delicate shore

[vague token]

made it to 14, rip

[edgy kiln]

where are you guys from?

lex here

[real notch]

avrora

[vague token]

avrora

man, if only ark royal had 70% double damage rate

[real notch]

do i buy this

[vague token]

then i wouldnt have to feel bad about dps loss

against e

T_T

[edgy kiln]

yes

[vague token]

no, you buy gear skin

;)

[real notch]

what else is there worth saving money for now

magtorp enhancing?

[vague token]

pixel torp, yay

or wait, pixel shell

even better

[delicate shore]

fuck pixel shells

[hybrid tendon]

have you got all the neps

[delicate shore]

dogoo shells best

[real notch]

nop

i got white purple and blanc

[delicate shore]

737 pts

[hybrid tendon]

there is that one shell which is a ball of water

[vague token]

just black heart

[delicate shore]

im at

[hybrid tendon]

and its really fucking big

I'd like to have that one

[real notch]

hmmmmmmmm

[edgy kiln]

the one with animal face in it?

[real notch]

guess i'm not buying the eagle boxes then

[hybrid tendon]

yea probably

[delicate shore]

i would buy the eagle boxes

[real notch]

dude why

[edgy kiln]

i haven't got that as well

[delicate shore]

i always buy boxes

[real notch]

there's nothing we need

from it

[delicate shore]

unless its sakura

lol

[edgy kiln]

already got a full set of everything

[delicate shore]

gold equips come firstr

[real notch]

yea tbh

i have that habit of buying gold boxes still

[delicate shore]

i think i hvae more 127s than anyone

[real notch]

but..... who even needs it

[delicate shore]

and id still buy it

lol

[real notch]

bofor, SG, twin 127, hellcat

[delicate shore]

btw how many sg radars u got now?

[real notch]

i'm still sitting at 4

or 5

[delicate shore]

o

[real notch]

lemme check

[delicate shore]

im using 5 for my backline rn

[edgy kiln]

only got 1 from farm

damn

[delicate shore]

[real notch]

fuk me man

guess i'l just buy the damn boxes

[delicate shore]

lul

[real notch]

d a m n

[delicate shore]

LMAO

[real notch]

LMAOO

bruh

this is

nothing related to eagles

LMFAOO

[delicate shore]

thats a slap to the face

3 golds

all hot garbage

[edgy kiln]

gratz

[real notch]

it coulda been ironblode

god damn it

[acoustic moon]

uh

[delicate shore]

have you put nep in ur dorm yet

[acoustic moon]

sirreq I've gotten

[delicate shore]

she's so cute

[acoustic moon]

nothing outta my last 19 eagle t4 boxes

[real notch]

LMAOOO

[acoustic moon]

and counting

[real notch]

well those 3 are like... basically nothing

[delicate shore]

19 boxes..thats nothing

[real notch]

they're not even eagle equips

[acoustic moon]

nothing outta last 32 boxes

[delicate shore]

ive been at 40+ boxes with no golds

[acoustic moon]

for all types

[delicate shore]

eagles

specifically

[acoustic moon]

but that's my highest record so far

[hybrid tendon]

lul

I've had nothing

from all the gold boxes

in fallen wings

literally nothing

[real notch]

fallen wings

was when i was doing my trick

and i was getting treasure everyday

[delicate shore]

FW is when i amassed my huge 127 supply

also a couple sgs

[real notch]

were u at 9

[delicate shore]

na i have 10

[real notch]

lmao

[delicate shore]

they all +10

[acoustic moon]

I still have no dogoo

[real notch]

i'm at 7

[acoustic moon]

even though I've bought every single nep skin box

send help

[delicate shore]

i have 2 dogoo shells

[acoustic moon]

ur cheet

[delicate shore]

no u

[real notch]

things went good for me

when i got 2 127s in a 5x

that was hyper poggers

[delicate shore]

ye thats pretty blessed

ive never gotten a 2x gold that was good

[real notch]

but yae

anyways ur at 674?

734?

[delicate shore]

737

[real notch]

i'll try finding u

[edgy kiln]

this event is so gold consuming

[delicate shore]

not even gold

cubes man

im out of cubes

lol

[edgy kiln]

haven't been able to mlb girls and enhance gears

[delicate shore]

do the 1.2k oil commissions

i do them everytime they come up now

since i dont play as much

[edgy kiln]

i thought that at first

yeah

then that's better

[delicate shore]

i mean 1.2k oil for 4.5k-5k gold seems like a pretty decent trade either way

plus the other things u get on the side

like cubes/plates/books

[edgy kiln]

of course

[grave gale]

I've been wondering lately if Juneau is worth it for foxes. Foxes are fragile enough that one dies before Juneau can. (especially when paired with Eldridge) If the backline is consistently dying and not getting the heals then what use is Juneau? 🤔

[delicate shore]

i would use juneau

the difference in dmg between frontliners is miniscule

anyway

and heal is better than no heal

imo of course

[mental sierra]

Having 0 luck with people who blow all their matches right at reset this season

[real notch]

hm

i've been thinking similarly with lunar

[mental sierra]

last season it was like, bam bam bam, rapidfire

[real notch]

against a tough opponent, a fox dies before juneau does

because of eldridge

yea this season is hard af

people just are not ranking

[lament canopy]

S Club 7...

any here have tried cranes vs in PvP?

In my case, I've been doing great

[delicate shore]

i still havent unlocked eldridge

lol

[edgy kiln]

got them at 100 but still lacking the gold aux for both

so no

[delicate shore]

if ur using akaga hood

why u still using eldridge?

tho

akaga hood shits on ent on already

lol

[lament canopy]

in my experience, when fighting the foxes, their first wave of planes do a lot of damage, but the cranes have more defence, except for Shoukaku, but she still can hold it

but once my cranes deploy, they destroy at least 1 fox

and in most cases, the vanguard

[real notch]

hmm

[lament canopy]

I've tried, cranes+enty vs foxes+enty, equal strenght in most cases, sometimes stronger than mines

[real notch]

strictly tierwise, the use of cranes is worse in PVP

[lament canopy]

still win in most cases

[delicate shore]

attack bonus is a thing

[lament canopy]

when i fail to kill at least 1 fox, I know I'm done

[real notch]

the reason you are winning is either the attack bonus or differences in gear/skill/enhancements

cranes are not better than foxes in PVP

[delicate shore]

pve either

[lament canopy]

still, I find the foxes dying faster with my first wave

[delicate shore]

cuz by the time the cranes overpower the foxes

u aint gettin an S anymore bb

[real notch]

hmm

[delicate shore]

[real notch]

here are the cranes

the skills are plenty so it's hard to directly compare

[lament canopy]

I'd say I win from 55-65% of times when fighting vs them

[real notch]

but strictly from damage wise

[grave gale]

Let's look at vanguard alternatives to Juneau for Foxes.

Helena - not really a good choice. Radar doesn't time with air strikes.
Fortune - decent. 15% reduction helps a bit but foxes are still fragile.
Laffey - does good damage and stays alive well but offers no synergy
Ayanami - an inferior Laffey until we have magnetic torp. Damage is inconsistent and not reliable.
Leander/Cygnet - might be good. Their smoke boosts the backline evasion which would help against bb shells.

[real notch]

foxes will overpower cranes on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd airstrike

[lament canopy]

But i dunno, I'd like to hear of other players how they are doing

[real notch]

both foxes have +35% airpower, compared to +20% and +30%

so you're down 20% airpower

by using cranes

[delicate shore]

i mean if cranes were better than the foxes they'd be meta

and not the foxes

[lament canopy]

but cranes have more air power iirc

[real notch]

you mean base?

no they dont

zuikaku and shoukaku are 372/370

[lament canopy]

I think shou has 150% torp bomber

[real notch]

wait

[lament canopy]

and Zui has in fighter... let me check

[real notch]

no you're right

cranes 4 more airpower than foxes

[grave gale]

The main reason foxes are meta is their early air strike

Crippling the vanguard right away makes a huge difference

[lament canopy]

zui has 130% in fighter

[real notch]

i accidentally counted the +12% bonus from marriage

[lament canopy]

, i'll be back later

[real notch]

zui
130%
125%
125%
shou
110%
110%
150%

[grave gale]

Foxes launch their first at 12 sec. Everybody else is at 23 sec. Foxes launch their second at 35 sec. Everybody else is at 46 sec

[real notch]

akagi:
125%
125%
125%
kaga
110%
110%
150%

[grave gale]

By the time other carriers are using theirs, foxes already going for the second time

[real notch]

the cranes are identical to foxes (5% difference in fighter on 1 slot) for efficiencies

and they have 2-4 more airpower

[grave gale]

and unless they have good AA. That second strike will finish them

[real notch]

so they are technically better statwise

[lament canopy]

I'm back

[real notch]

but for the purpose of comparison cranes = foxes

because 2-4 airpower & 5%+ efficiency on 1 fighter is negligible

[lament canopy]

that's why I pray that at least 1 fox die with my first strike

[real notch]

the real reason why foxes are in tier 0 and cranes are in tier 5

is because foxes strike 50% faster

[vague token]

alpha strike damage is a big deal

since it avoids most of the 20 second skills

you have a health lead

[delicate shore]

alpha strike

[vague token]

from 10 seconds in

[delicate shore]

this aint master yi

[vague token]

sorry, battletech

[delicate shore]

boi

[lament canopy]

damage reduction is also a good skill for the cranes

[grave gale]

Foxes bypass Eldridge's rainbow Which is a problem for other carriers

[real notch]

so
by 13sec, foxes deal 100% dmg - cranes deal 0%
by 36sec, foxes deal 200% dmg - cranes deal 100%

[vague token]

also, by 20 you could have gotten a kill already

on the backline

[real notch]

PLUS the 70% (35+35) airpower boost compared to the 50% (20+30)

[vague token]

or at least crippled the vanguard by 20

so hood can just shoot 1

[real notch]

@lament canopy damage reduction is good but it's not worth shooting an airstrike 2x slower

[vague token]

or whoever you run

xD

[real notch]

and only SKK has reduced damage

[hot creek]

which gun is eldridge supposed to use?

[real notch]

ZKK still receives more dmg

[delicate shore]

SKK takes more dmg

[vague token]

i use 100mm

[grave gale]

twin 100

[vague token]

but it's w/e

[delicate shore]

its the other way around

isnt it

[real notch]

ah watever

same shite

[vague token]

eldridge isnt there to do mad deeps

[grave gale]

SKK takes more because she wants to protect her sister

ZKK takes less

[real notch]

@hot creek eldridge should use twin 127mm

[vague token]

she's there to make sure as few dive bombers hit your main fleet

[real notch]

in PVP right? in #pvp channel

twin 100mm is normal shells

?weaponsandarmor

[hidden wyvern]

Different weapons and shell types do different damage based on the armor of the target, as shown in the picture.

Also remember the following

• 航空 (aviation) enemies are weak to airstikes
• 主砲 (maingun) enemies are weak to main gun (CA gun, BB gun, DD gun, CL gun)
• 雷擊 (torpedo) enemies are weak to torpedo

anything that the enemies are not weak against are resisted heavily by them

[vague token]

yeah, normal is fine though given the 100mm's stats

[lament canopy]

I'll wait until the next PvP, gonna try to find a decent enty+foxes or hood+foxes to keep testing...

[vague token]

like it hits pretty hard

[real notch]

you deal 20% more dmg with HE shells