pvp

[sand linden]

[wary berry]

is jp server pvp meta different from en and cn both?

[finite fog]

yeah it's way easier

[wary berry]

whats the top main comp rn? lion x? x?

[whole salmon]

Alright, CN has Mecklenburg

Let’s see what their comments are

[whole salmon]

Base burn damage is 119

Damage is split 60 59

This is a simple 50-50 split

The burn damage Mecklenburg took as a result of this transfer won’t transfer back to Seydlitz

=> If Seydlitz is hit, damage direction goes 1 direction from Seydlitz -> Mecklenburg, Seydlitz’s 60% damage share and 20% damage reduction does not apply

[whole salmon]

However if Mecklenburg takes damage, it is split 57 48

This means Seydlitz’s 20% damage reduction does apply

CN concluded that with the setup of Lion Mecklenburg Seydlitz comp, there’s only 2 scenarios

• All 3 ships die at roughly the same time

• All 3 ships survived until the end of the battle

This changes the current setup as backline currently only have 0-1 ship surviving, usually the top position. Chances of getting bursted down is low

This may indicate a shift away from Jintsuu Meta’s bursting back to Juneau

That’s all folks

[whole salmon]

Oh ig there’s some gear optimization vids regarding Glorious comp

But it is a bit wonk so

It runs Breguet on Glorious Meta instead of 2nd Wyvern to cut down on launch time

And uses Prinz Ruppretch gun on Lion instead of Mk4, 457 or Hood gun

[stable dawn]

Juneau is back?

I hope she pushes eldy out of the meta too

[whole salmon]

Essentially since damage is more distributed, chances of Juneau dying too late is lessened

[stable dawn]

laff2 juneau z52

tank meta forever

[whole salmon]

Ofc, there’s always the chance where all 3 backliners die at the same time

If the enemy’s damage is high enough

That we have to test

[gloomy sand]

[knotty hazel]

aaa

[stark ice]

I've been using Juneau in my build for a long time. playable

[worldly ore]

Juneau back would probs mean having to remove Eld though

[whole salmon]

Do we need to tho?

Sure there’s still the issue of frontline not dying fast enough

But that only applies to Laffey

Eldridge still dies very soon after 16 sec

Just put Juneau tank and Eldridge middle or off tank, problem solved

[worldly ore]

I'd be afraid of Juneau dying instantly in tank position
Or if Eld procs instantly, then Juneau dies too late

So probably still better to remove Eld

I think I'd prefer to keep jintsuu meta anyway

[whole salmon]

There’s always stealthy prowler for that. It would stop Juneau from getting 1 shotted

Chances of Juneau dying too late is unlikely. Lion would kill your Juneau immediately after Eldridge’s invul is over

With Meck Seyd Lion, your backline is a brick so chances are it can last past 20 seconds

2 ships have damage reduction

2 ships have invul

And damage transfer

Its weakness is still airstrikes wiping out 3 ships at once, that is not stoppable

[worldly ore]

Prowler rarely saves my Eld in off tank spot these days

But yeah, I wouldn't worry about the backline itself much though

And if carriers wanna be a thing again, they gotta worry about Juneau probably coming back now too

[worldly ore]

Does this apply to all flagships with a damage reduction skill? For Meck's damage transfer skill

[whole salmon]

It is a test on burn damage

Lionflame would bypass that

The one tested here is Alsace’s burn, which is why it was lower

[whole salmon]

If it is shell value then yeah it should work

As in if Lion takes damage, the damage would then be reduced by damage reduction first

And then it would be split 50-50 with Mecklenburg

Because of this weird relationship, you kinda want the damage to go from Lion -> Mecklenburg -> Seydlitz in that exact order

So it end up with Lion middle, Mecklenburg top and Seydlitz bottom

[whole salmon]

It is simply to say don’t place Seydlitz middle

Damage from Seydlitz -> Mecklenburg doesn’t work

But damage from Mecklenburg -> Seydlitz does

It is what it is

It is more complex than this tho

The actual explanation is that damage transfer only applies to initial damage, not the secondary damage

[whole salmon]

If Seydlitz lose HP -> Mecklenburg lose HP

The instance Mecklenburg loses HP, it won’t count as initial damage anymore. The damage WON’T loop back to Seydlitz. Basically it is to prevent damage transfer looping between the 2 ships

So the damage reduction doesn’t apply

[whole salmon]

But if Lion lose HP -> Mecklenburg lose HP -> Seydlitz lose HP

It still counts as initial damage for Mecklenburg

So Seydlitz’s damage reduction still applies

Too much yap?

[worldly ore]

Was actually more curious about damage reduction when there's no Sey lol

But if Sey damage reduction transfers to Meck, I assume Musashi and Lion damage reduction transfers to Meck too then

[whole salmon]

Yeah it should

[worldly ore]

Kewl

Means Meck should have a solid shot at being in the meta then

Sey might still be the best ship for her, but there's room to experiment with other comps with Meck now

[whole salmon]

Basically don’t try to do damage transfer loops

Have a clear 1 way direction damage funnel instead

Seydlitz -> Mecklenburg -> Seydlitz -> Mecklenburg constant damage transfer doesn’t work. Therefore don’t place Seydlitz flagship

But Flasghip -> Mecklenburg -> Seydlitz does work so use this instead

[whole salmon]

She only solved the issue of backline being too paper and getting sniped. It still doesn’t resolve the issue of Laffey duels

There‘s also a long way to go until we have her at usable dev level

By Fall, we may already replace her with an IJN UR

[worldly ore]

Depends on who comes along

Meck would be really good for protecting an OP flagship

Yamato not coming until EoS anyway

[junior moss]

or a kai ur

[gloomy sand]

[brazen socket]

My brain is too slow for this...

[sour oasis]

I want a future ship: cargo ship Seia Maru. Ability 1: to cause 80% of nearby torpedoes to prematurely destruct, essentially Fortune Meta's 360° swipe, less accurate and shorter ranged (covering the vanguard) but permanently active. (Mirrors her 1942 cargo run where she was attacked five times by subs and took an airstrike to sink her) Ability 2: standard "reduce burn" other cargo ships have
Torp memes, man.

Don't make a Juneau Meta; she's been through enough man

[stable dawn]

clearly can't be meta, she's canonically dead

[gloomy sand]

[stark ice]

I especially love Juneau when she dies in right timing
:kekе:

[knotty hazel]

keep restart if it wasn't

tryhard mode

[lusty hill]

Child abuse

[knotty hazel]

this is al

[spare olive]

Who the hell bringing Jenau in pvp in this current standard? just let her stay at the bottom of the ocean

Outside Jintsuu, Eldy and Laffey 2 was not relevant

the rest are pure garbages until meta changes

[finite fog]

who shit in your food

[brazen socket]

I didnt know frown town residents played AL

[stable dawn]

maybe it's their first time tasting the salty waters of the pvp sea

[hybrid agate]

[gloomy sand]

<@&460646206851252224> obliterate this account

[upper saddle]

/kick 717578932399898714 Scam

[chilly osprey]

felt2#0 got kicked. Reason: Scam

[gloomy sand]

Works btw

[trail temple]

https://tenor.com/view/exodia-sunbeam-robson-obliterate-gif-22752699

[whole salmon]

I have gone through something a bit weird but mostly embarrassing for the first time

I was just doing AL pvp right before daily reset, nothing unusual

I was having lunch on Uni campus so I decided to finish up the tickets before heading home

And I met some senior dude in IT, and he RECOGNIZED AL. Dude then asked if I played and what commander level I was. Bro dude called me out in public in the middle of the cafeteria

(He was level 121)

For the first time in like 8 years has someone ever recognize Azur Lane of all things

He was a chill dude tho, just that it was embarrassing

[flint python]

"YO IS THAT THE GOONER GAME CALLED AZUR LANE?"

[neon summit]

can someone explain to me why the fuck even though the reload is over it wont shoot

[lime rivet]

Undetected carriers?

[whole salmon]

Yeah likely CV concealment

[gloomy sand]

1. Hidden CVs
2. BB vs Laffey II duel

[neon summit]

I see

Thanks

[gloomy sand]

oh seyd is out

[stable dawn]

real life pvp confirmed

[jade heart]

Ill see you in the ring

[nimble fox]

any chance that the quad 305 be useful in pvp?

[vale minnow]

no

[stable dawn]

idk no one has one yet

[vale minnow]

i do

[junior trench]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

[versed geyser]

I’d actually had a couple people do that to me lmao, although they weren’t actively playing the game anymore (They were level 90s and mostly stopped playing it about 2-3 years ago)

[valid oxide]

I got seyd after only like 3 runs I'm so blessed time to level her for PvP and run seyd lion gloriousM

[junior trench]

While I’m still leveling some of them up, I’m debating on if I wanna do GlorM + Seyd or GlorM + Hiryuu(or DM)

[valid oxide]

I forgot is there much difference between hiryuu and DM or are they interchangeable

[junior trench]

Idk, anyone know?

[stable dawn]

she's basically a drop-in replacement

[gray belfry]

can't really comment on interchangeability but hiryuu's invuln launches airstrike, DM's doesn't

[knotty hazel]

unicorn vs nj

[gray belfry]

more like geryon vs bunbun striker

[mortal aspen]

Is Quadruple Si270 good for pvp? I mean in terms of 533mm Quintuple damage and Si270 range...can second one get back lines?

[valid oxide]

Teatorps will still be better

[graceful veldt]

Dont they just fire like a twin torp and if they're not spread out torps then are they good in pvp?

[mortal aspen]

Si270 have almost double-1.3 range. idk how far vanguard between enemy backline

in pvp torps miss a lot especially how fast enemy vanguard. no matter homing or not they are

[gray belfry]

attacker tea torps can miss defense main fleet due to not enough range, cuniberti torps wouldn't have that issue and they're also slow so might actually get some hits paired with the homing torp aux. whether they'd actually end up good though i dunno, and they might actually be too slow to make a difference before volleys start flying

my guess would be that they're not better

[valid oxide]

It feels like asw torps all over again where they have something that is better than teatorps but teatorps are just better overall

[junior trench]

Tbf, I did see on the PvP guide that 530s are possibly more useful right now.

[valid oxide]

Oh I have to raise the silly anti-light torps now, I'm absolutely livid

[stable dawn]

550s are to nuke enemy vgs

since backlines now consist of invuln or hidden enemies

making teatorps kind of just a moot gamble

[vale minnow]

maybe thatll raise my fleet's wr from 30% to 40%

[stable dawn]

or you could use a better fleet instead of sandbagging while sandbagging

[worldly ore]

Feels weird not seeing Soyuz or Alsace anywhere in tier 0 or tier 1 anymore

[sick moon]

does slander use prowler or should i keep it on eldy

[undone blade]

I put it on JintM. Where to put pearl is my bigger challenge

[hybrid agate]

yeah you can keep it to Eldridge

[grim solar]

What happened to Tea torps?

[vale minnow]

new meta uses 1+ cvs, and theyre hidden
so the new meta for frontline is to delete your opponents frontline and reveal cvs and friends

[steel coral]

also lion burn and CV crash dmg do more against the main fleet

requiring more vanguard pressure

[grim solar]

Anything to change here?

[valid oxide]

Teatorps aren't as great when one enemy is concealed, one is seyd, and the vanguard is light armour

[valid oxide]

More 76mm AA

[grim solar]

Ahhhh that makes sense.

[grim solar]

I'm working on it. 😭
Currently at 2, working on another 2.

[valid oxide]

I only have 2 too

[worldly ore]

So much anti-vanguard torps now, I'm gonna test out Marco Polo soon to check if she's any good

Best anti-torp vanguard sheilds in the game

[lusty hill]

Torps won't do anything to vanguard when eldrige always insta proc the invincibility

[worldly ore]

She rarely ever insta procs for me

[lusty hill]

Skill issue

[lusty hill]

Smh can't even spell correctly

Do better next time

[grim solar]

Can someone explain why I'm losing to this comp?

[grim solar]

Equipment used:

I've restarted this matchup 7x by now and it always ends up with their Laffey II surviving till the end to kill my Nakhimov.

[mortal aspen]

Have you use damage control on laff2 or Eldredge?

[grim solar]

It's literally in my equipment screenshot.

[finite fog]

try tube eld and double +13 aux laffey

[stable dawn]

probably need +13 wyverns tbh

there is a substantial leap in damage from +10 to +13

[finite fog]

or that yeah, i found planes to be unusable if they weren't +13

[mortal aspen]

I will be trying eldr as main tank with control and laff2 as off tank. But it's only my guess

[vale minnow]

i wont use that if
i dont have +13 planes

[grim solar]

Tube?

[vale minnow]

prowler

[grim solar]

Ohhh.

[vale minnow]

prowler replaces usb, keeping her alive more importante

[gloomy sand]

wtf

u not supposed to lose to old meta

[worldly ore]

Cat fleet isn't that spectacular against much except the Warspite fleets

[gloomy sand]

yeah these kinds of fleets have their weaknesses. We just got out of 3 BB somehow bcs Lion's that good

[whole salmon]

Don’t put Laffey tank

A quote of Ari

“Why do people keep using Laffey as the tank when most fights are decided by which Laffey dies first?”

[grim solar]

Then who should be the frontline?

Eldridge?

[vale minnow]

you can either put eld to make her proc first (hopefully)
or jim to nuke nuke nuke

[gloomy sand]

[junior trench]

Good was about to tag a mod to curb stomp that guy

[inner mango]

What's the meta for Pvp lads?

[junior trench]

Check the pins, the PvP guide updated recently.

[shell raft]

I'm pretty sure he knows that lol

[stable dawn]

hey guys is mafia still good

[trail temple]

Yes

[junior trench]

https://tenor.com/view/guns-up-mafia-thats-how-it-works-the-godfather-gif-7770818016830860308

[vale minnow]

swap shimas and lions AA
plygun on jim if possible, if not its kewl
155 has less range than 137, run another 137

ig wyverns are ok if u dont have spearfishes

but the problem is that a lot of the dmg comes from crash damage from planes

which need +13

full +10 loadout for cv puts you at a disadvantage
at a certain point id rather run 3 bb

[gloomy sand]

wheres the prowler

[vale minnow]

i forgot prowler

[gloomy sand]

can run it on seydlitz or eldkai, up to you

also you don't have manjuu, put it on eld

[gray belfry]

why does spreadsheet have 3+2s as the next rec after the light mod french torps

[gloomy sand]

better light dps than teatorps?
also the antilight torp being up now also makes it plausible to use it again (similar fan patterns?) after the funny bug

wait

[gray belfry]

it's what i thought. by the pure damage numbers shima torps would be even higher though. but i'm guessing the spread + speed are being seen as inferior?

i wouldn't really know for sure

[wide light]

guys, i was doing pvp a few days ago and encountered some ship combined into gundam that kill my fleet so easily, what is that gundam?

[long scarab]

gridman collab ships prob

[wide light]

ohh

[trail temple]

It's a meme fleet

[wide light]

meme fleet that one shoot my fleet 😦

[grim solar]

Just one shot them back.

Try one of the meta comps, should take care of it.

[flint python]

a good meme fleet

[knotty hazel]

meta fleet vs meme fleet

[valid oxide]

It was good when it was bugged and couldn't be killed but they patched that centuries ago

[gloomy sand]

[stable dawn]

is Golden Leewd good in pvp

[knotty hazel]

is any pr8 ships good in pvp

[worldly ore]

https://tenor.com/view/irys-eyebrows-ooh-la-la-hololive-new-design-gif-27159846

[gloomy sand]

clap yo hands if you believe

[whole salmon]

Hell Cube is Fairy poster with 1 less ACC, could be used if you missed it or could be on another ship

Could be used as stat stick

2 more HP stat stick if anyone is missing the previous items

No need if you already have them

[whole salmon]

Overall, only okayish equipment lineup

[gloomy sand]

reskinned SG radar; just +13 the SG smh

[valid oxide]

So it's just SG radar then

[versed geyser]

The HP/Speed is a bit better than the last one IIRC?

[whole salmon]

Wirbel luft is still 472 HP and 4 speed

So the exact same

Speed isn’t too important in this meta anyways since frontline is fast enough

So focusing more on HP aspect is preferred

[worldly ore]

Lame event for pvp things

[stable dawn]

that's literally SG radar then lmaoooooo

oh someone already said that

[valid oxide]

🐌

[wary berry]

i think to love ru had some aug that was used in pvp?

or was it gridman

[vale minnow]

Kinda both

[gloomy sand]

To Love Ru had Prowler; been in use since then. Just that good

Gridman had the Goldburn; the best +HP aux for DDs at the time until Cyanidin Towel entered. Also would compete for HP + SPD auxes tho on those DDs usually

[whole salmon]

If only that RLD buff on Goldburn isn’t frontline or gridman exclusive

CVs could really use it

[junior trench]

Thoughts on Yumia? She seems fairly unique as she can equip a third Aux instead of an AA gun.

[gloomy sand]

can she throw hands

[mortal aspen]

As cvl she loose about 1/3 of cv damage but got about 1/8 increased damage from avi aux slot. Not sure it's fair trade but will see

At least funny interesting concept but we saw same vanguards ship and nothing was changed

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/qSd07ZspYUs

[junior trench]

I mean, do we know what her Barrages are like? She gets a few.

[whole salmon]

Lmao which server is that

The one in the thumbnail

Ahh ALM

[spare olive]

Took me soo many turn beating you lol. with the limitations of my comp
https://youtu.be/7Gk1_U9IcrE?si=VRiFsbL6sRWzFW84

[spare olive]

i had more strugle fighting your glorious than his nakimov

what gear skin that making noises?

that barrel thingy

[whole salmon]

Yeah Ari has top gear

So beating him is difficult

[spare olive]

yeah

[spare olive]

What's your opinion with Hiryuu and DM compared?

You'd prefer Hiryuu instead

[whole salmon]

Similar enough since both serve as insurance

[spare olive]

while dayne and I use DM

yeah i can see that

[whole salmon]

Hiryuu have extra airstrike but everything else Dead Master is better

So the performance end up being relatively the same

[spare olive]

I see. I might try to use Hiryuu to test that

why not Sydliz over Hiryuu? @whole salmon

As far in this season, Ari fleet was the difficult ones

[whole salmon]

Oh Seydlitz still works

I just want to be unconventional

If someone use something, I would use something else

[spare olive]

hahahaha

[whole salmon]

I was the first to start using Nakhimov on Lexington

[spare olive]

yeah i see that

[whole salmon]

But when people switch to Nakhimov, I switched to Glorious Meta

If people switch to Glorious Meta, I switch out their Seydlitz for Hiryuu

Or for Dead Master

You’ll even see me using Shima instead of Laffey

Or heck even Juneau instead of Jintsuu Meta

One day you can even see Dead Master Nakhimov

[spare olive]

Not the DM and nakimob

that will be cursed

Suprise me that people who often talk here are from Lexington

[vale minnow]

yo pink, do you have 2+ wyverns and 2 spearfishes +13 for the purpose of pvp

[whole salmon]

It is because I really really much dislike mirror fights

It ends up being stupidly annoying

So I try to avoid mirrors as much as possible

[spare olive]

at the end.. its always laffey duel

When will you think Laffey question ends?

I hate laffey duel

[whole salmon]

Yeah

3 Wyverns, 2 Spearfish, 1 Baguette

[vale minnow]

maybe in 1 year ill have 2 wyvs and spearfishes

thats if the meta hasnt changed lol

[vale minnow]

baguette +13 is comp af

[spare olive]

isnt it took like one and a half month to get a wyvern from opsi?

[vale minnow]

i mean +13

[spare olive]

ho

yeah the Gold plates is difficult to collect

[vale minnow]

i already have 4 wyvs and 2 fishes
only 100 playes tho lmao

[spare olive]

itll take long

[vale minnow]

+13d the la9, which tbh is what a normal player would do

[spare olive]

i should spend my resources instead of tenrai

I dont have spearfish yet

I have like 6 tenrai and no spearfish

[vale minnow]

how does this happen

pr4 focus demon
did you get any from lab?

[spare olive]

pr4 and lab

[vale minnow]

ah

[spare olive]

People told me that spearfish are garbage

and i fell for it

https://tenor.com/view/seseren-azur-lane-long-island-gif-8306949442336523077

I heard spearfish rocket is a bonus againts laffey or elrdige

laffey in particular

[whole salmon]

Like even my gear is stupid

[spare olive]

whats the deal with beguate?

@whole salmon

why beguate

[whole salmon]

It’s faster than Wyvern

That’s it

[spare olive]

Hmnn... i see then

[gray belfry]

reject breguet, embrace cuda

more crash dmg trust

[vale minnow]

its technically "ass" on the basis that it does the same thing as wyv, but faster and no intercept, and its more expensive

[whole salmon]

Glorious tend to die early if you aren’t careful, this stupid ass build is to increase survivability and have faster firing rate

[vale minnow]

but hey, we're PvPers, so cost doesnt matter

[whole salmon]

Although in practice, standard Glorious build with Wyvern yield higher overall damage

[vale minnow]

cursed build = 1 minute battles

[spare olive]

yeah i have issues like that

[whole salmon]

It is simply a trade off of higher damage to for slightly better consistency

Tho even if you don’t use Baguette, you can still use the red towel

It provide RLD stat for your CV and has high HP as well

You could also go with Torp Bulge in that slot

[vale minnow]

pink, do i +13 2 spearfishes first or wyvern

[whole salmon]

I still think Wyvern has longer staying potential

[vale minnow]

hmm

[spare olive]

What's alternative of Towel if i may know?

[vale minnow]

interesting

[whole salmon]

Nothing

There’s no alternative

Well this is an alternative if you like to gamble

[spare olive]

Poor me, i dont have both of those

[vale minnow]

isnt that the premise of pvp anyways

[whole salmon]

33% chance to buff reload stat for the entire comp

Absolute cinema

There’s also this that I have been testing

Hood gun, FDG gun, Twin MK4, Twin 457

All seems to work on her

So I tried a fast triple gun this time around with Prinz Ruppretch gun

Without Seydlitz, anti frontline may be an issue with double CV. Lion have to do the anti frontline herself

And the triple rainbow HE on Lion is slower

So I’ll test this for a while

[spare olive]

soo inovating lel

what you think of Meck in future?
I think it has combat potential in pvp

[whole salmon]

As of the meta currently yes

As of the meta 3 months from now then who knows

[valid oxide]

Ruppy doesn't have a gun tied to her

And if she did it wouldn't be triple

[whole salmon]

Oh right, it is just gear lab

[fickle echo]

It's from Ryza collab that's about to rerun

[fickle echo]

This skin

[spare olive]

today collab?

[fickle echo]

It should rerun tomorrow together with the ships since it's from the previous event

[whole salmon]

Have anyone tried this yet

[jade heart]

I use this on eldrich and z52

It will only hit vanguard

Ships for the most part

Unless vanguard is dead

[valid oxide]

It's just a direct improvement over the regular Kms quad mag

[gloomy sand]

internet explorer vibes

[valid oxide]

[wary berry]

that torp is to the new meta torp what explorer is to chrome
what is the new meta torp tho?

[gloomy sand]

https://imgur.com/gallery/IsWDJWa

[long scarab]

Hate that if you move channels it resets the movie smh

[gloomy sand]

alo pvp watch party

[valid oxide]

As much as I hate to be that person, I'm pretty sure copyright type of stuff can get you banned

[stable dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-movie-fast-forward-gif-17330906

[junior trench]

Wait, is this literally the whole movie?

[gloomy sand]

thats for me to know and you to find out

[atomic marten]

Its been long time since I last played Exercise PVP.

Which shipgirls cuurently comp META today?

[void zealot]

have you checked the pinned messages

[grim solar]

Ulrich, Essex, Long Island / Kashino, Janus, Nubian

[void zealot]

[gloomy sand]

Seydliz flag; Lion bottom; option of Nakhimov, Glorious META or Musashi top
Jintsuu META tank; Laffey II mid; Eldridge Retrofit offtank.

[atomic marten]

TY have a good day.

Sorry I'm not techie. XD

[nimble fox]

yes, gimme more cog chips

and gold plates too!

[keen silo]

@stable dawn hi can you teach me how to pvp?

[stable dawn]

who are you

[keen silo]

who am i?

[stable dawn]

[gloomy sand]

does anyone have that video animation where a mlp horsey sings along with a tf2 character

idk just remembering

[finite fog]

[nimble fox]

Is there any good gear this event?

[worldly ore]

No

[unkempt vortex]

The HP Speed seems nice, but HP is all we need due to the Meta Shift since Lion

[grim solar]

Top 10 even with two losses this season.

[finite fog]

[vale minnow]

💀

[graceful veldt]

[grim solar]

Its a screenshot I took earlier. 😭

[shell raft]

[hybrid agate]

I overcap 10 attempts

[light crystal]

I ate two 8s

[stable dawn]

Obesity wins again

soon everyone in azur lane will be as chubby as z13

[trail temple]

Not as fat as the elf?

https://tenor.com/view/elfuda-fries-plus-sized-elf-anime-chubby-gif-13596053661185470035

[stable dawn]

that'd be a crime

[trail temple]

An elf so fat she can jam your BB guns?

[finite fog]

sir this is pvp

[grim solar]

@upper saddle

Ah wait I don't think Pin visits this place.

Uhhhh...

Fuck nevermind LMAO.

Oh well if they see this, there's one more in avrora-gen.

[graceful veldt]

That guy's kicked but the message just isnt deleted

[stable dawn]

it'a gone for me, guess the crisis is over

[fickle echo]

Scammers vs mods, real pvp

[wet seal]

[spark locust]

brother I've just finished my third +13 rat aa gun and new pvp meta drops wth

well 1 less aa gun to get to +13 I guess

[gloomy sand]

no, do 3 more rat guns

[whole salmon]

RAT is the uss rainbow one right?

I think you still need them, even more so in this new meta

[gloomy sand]

<@&460646206851252224> obliterate this man

thank you, his balls are no more

[sudden spoke]

next will be yours dw

[gloomy sand]

[foggy whale]

Does anyone ever fall for those

[spark locust]

now I gotta farm for T4 plane parts, this is wack

[junior moss]

farm t5 plates ,they will be meta

[nimble fox]

Petition for admiralty fire control table to be in the core data shop

[junior moss]

probably will be soon, at least i think so

[gray belfry]

might not be that soon

could still easily take another year

devs are being really stingy with adding UR event gear

NJ gun was added to gear lab a good while back and shimakaze torp was only added recently despite shima being the UR that came after NJ

[worldly ore]

I'd prefer Fate sim for decisive ships

At this rate, it'll be around ten years before Meck gets her fate sim

Not even exaggerating

[stable dawn]

game will eos first

[worldly ore]

[gray belfry]

that's a good thing

so many neglected botes that deserve augments/retros/fatesims instead

consider that it might take a very very long time for meck to get a fatesim, but she would get one eventually. there are commons and rares that will almost surely never get an augment or a retro or even a skin

[worldly ore]

I'd rather resources not go towards ships whose viability won't increase by much afterwards

Those ships already get an olive branch with augments anyway. Most of the common ships already have a retrofit or augment by now. And they still suck

[gray belfry]

that's in part because the devs deliberately make worse retros and augs for lower rarity ships, ironically

that being said there's a queue of a million golds which should be receiving buffs over any rainbows in my opinion

its gotten slightly better recently, but it was really apparent not long ago

they look at the shit common and go "yeah we need to toss a 60% activation chance skill on this"

i "get it", higher rarity should feel special, and lower rarity retros even cost less, but for god's sake they need a few more bones thrown here

[stable dawn]

why not make second retrofits

[worldly ore]

I'm fine with gold ships getting retrofits and augments, since most at least become useable afterwards

Though the snail's pace for decisive fate sim is still annoying

Normal priority ships usually get fate sim within a year or so of being released

Agir still waiting for fate sim about four years after her release

[gray belfry]

well they are better, and also get better fatesims

so it makes sense

drake and fdg were just that inferior

[grim belfry]

Does anyone have / know where I can get the PvP Rank icons? Png would be appreciated but if not that's fine too

[nimble fox]

Rat gun rat gun rat gun rat gun rat gun rat gun

[graceful veldt]

@upper saddle

[gloomy sand]

man obliterated.

[nimble fox]

looks like we got a 2nd type of wibeluft

[nimble fox]

and it looked like it's going to be replacing wilbeluft

[gloomy sand]

it's literally just a wirbel luft sidegrade

[valid oxide]

Exact same stats, waste of plates

[stable dawn]

40s after the battle starts, the fight is over loooooool

[valid oxide]

Also only works on atelier yumia ships

[gray belfry]

not over, that's when you're halfway into your third retry

[stable dawn]

just get lucky

[graceful veldt]

<@&460646206851252224>

[void zealot]

don't think you have to ping them in every channel mate

[graceful veldt]

ehh last time they forget to delete the pic in some channel so we had to ping them

[brazen socket]

leave admins to ban, if any leftover messages ping us mods instead

[graceful veldt]

ohh ok

[feral elbow]

My team in exercices

[jade heart]

Based Has sandy

your missing Limit breaks and levels

Kron and Z52 are useless in that and Torktown

[vale minnow]

Z52 isn’t bad if MLB

[feral elbow]

Thank 😁

[marsh sand]

[jade heart]

~~ z52 is great if MLB but he has no LB~~

my pvp fleet is Nano Mushahi Amagi CV z52 Eld sandy

[valid oxide]

Do lion users jumpscare you

[jade heart]

No i win mkst of the time

I also play on le

[valid oxide]

i thought le was giga sweaty because half of the servers population is pvpers from other servers

was my impression wrong

[jade heart]

My comp gets me top 100

I dont think it is

I dont eve. Use pvp gear i use w15 gear

[vale minnow]

not top 10

[jade heart]

I over capped too much

[stable dawn]

no they all quit like a year ago

[jade heart]

they realzied no laffey II

[trail temple]

They realised it's a shit game mode so they decided to go play something else

[late heath]

Meta so stale for so long it got boring

No variety really

Every fight was the same Laffey / Jinntsu / etc.

[valid oxide]

Oh

[knotty hazel]

eld

[trail temple]

Er

[finite fog]

[stone sigil]

So...

Is it normal that sometimes my main fleet just stop shooting and I just lose the fight?

Or is that a bug Manjuu can't be bothered to fix?

[finite fog]

are you vsing cvs

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Combat#CV_Detection

[stone sigil]

Nah. I'm using 3 BBs.

[gloomy sand]

whats the fleet u using? def might also matter

[stone sigil]

Bismarck 2, Musashi, Lion | Z52, Eldridge Retro, Plymouth.

[knotty hazel]

seems normal

[finite fog]

vsing not using

[gloomy sand]

[valid oxide]

Plymouth and bis2

[shell raft]

Rainbow good

[stone sigil]

Can't be bothered to optimize my PVP fleet. Thank you for your help, guys.

[finite fog]

[stone sigil]

I mean, I don't have Laffey II, so I can't optimize my Vanguard, so why bother?

[finite fog]

i asked if you were vsing cvs

not if you were using them

[trail temple]

[stone sigil]

[stable dawn]

guys are submarines good in pvp

[finite fog]

no, it's not a bug

he's cheating

that's why your bbs aren't firing

[knotty hazel]

how did u even cheat in pvp..

[stone sigil]

Nah. You were right. I didn't know about the CVs 'hidden' mechanic. Just one more thing Manjuu doesn't explain in the game. xd

That's why I said "thank you for your help".

[supple halo]

Ugh why do I keep getting beat by this lineup

I have lion/oak/rep, which does bad

But seydlitz lion alcasce isn't working either

What's happening that I don't get

?

It's close, but nahmikov gets off her strike and I am always too far behind

Only time this season I've had to retry more than thhrice

[vale minnow]

Who’s rep

If you have warspite retro
Position her to snipe enemy lion

[supple halo]

Lol yeah sorry I had a stroke, I meant warspite retro. Across from lion?

[vale minnow]

Yea

Since their lion is bottom
Then your warspite is top

[stable dawn]

tbf that is the new T0 fleet

check the sheet in the pins

[whole salmon]

Finally some people actually found out the genius of this comp after 2 months

There’s a few other possible counters as well

You could just use your own CV

If not that then you could place Musashi directly opposite to Nakhimov, then use Alsace and Lion to kill their frontline

[whole salmon]

There’s realistically no way you can actually stop it from happening due to Nakhimov re stealth. Unlike Glorious Meta, Nakhimov isn’t that paper

However, you can try to win the frontline fight

[rancid fox]

Jintsuu meta and eldridge's skills should be banned in pvp like what hard difficulty EX event battles does.

AL pays much less attention too pvp than a single EX battle in an event, despite that you only get 500 cognitive chips if you win EX normal battle and only gets a useless ranking if you defeat the boss in EX hard mode.

[vale minnow]

dead gamemode

[finite fog]

he's back

[vale minnow]

whos he

[whole salmon]

He arrives here every now and then to complain about the balance of pvp, as if that actually means anything

Whether it is pvp or pve, the concept of “using the strongest unit for that respective mode” still applies

And he simply has a problem with how some units are stronger than others

And it isn’t like he chat in other channels, he only chat in pvp channel

Chances are it is an alt account of someone lmao

[vale minnow]

Sounds like they missed eld run

[gray belfry]

paid enough attention to ban a legitimate player for an EX run that wasn't cheated

[grim solar]

I mean when you really think about it PvP is also useless. We have veterans here sitting on 500k merit points, and the enjoyment out of it is intrinsic at best.

Like really, nobody cares if you're rank 10 in PvP except for other PvPers.

Much in the same vein that you can choose not to do EX, you can also not do hard fights in PvP.

Like if we're being practical, you could just put your weakest units (and maybe New Jersey and Laffey II) in a comp, fight weak matches, and farm exp (not as good as farming on worlds, but since PvP doesn't cost oil, it's free exp).

Much better use for your time and you'll farm merit all the same.

I do think some changes to PvP would be nice.

The last interesting change was Lion.

[whole salmon]

Pvp is 90% knowing how to sandbag, good fleet is only 10%

Ari reached top 10 eos during the old days using UvH with Battle Tractor Max aux

Dude was using Warspite UvH Vanguard, his UvH used the stupid Monarch gun as well

Dude didn’t have NJ, didn’t have Shinano, didn’t have a Italian comp

What a legend

[grim solar]

[whole salmon]

This was during the peak of Mafia (VV NJ Aquila) and Weeb (NJ Shinano Hiryuu) comp

Ari had neither

Used a scuffed fleet with scuffed gear and got 7th eos and 2590

[vale minnow]

ari the pioneer

[finite fog]

why would i want to spend any more time on pvp than i have to

[stable dawn]

back when the tankiest thing in the game was ancho

good times

[gloomy sand]

[winged depot]

What a time

[trail temple]

Back in the day when you could be level 50-60 and get eos aotn against people using mafia (without having mafia yourself)

[fickle echo]

The fleet just needs to be good enough to defeat a meta fleet in like 3 tries

Back then the most used fleet was NJ+Italians so I just built something that could defeat it using the ships I had

Warspite+VG would deal with NJ and UVH was to kill the vanguard outside Ancho's invincibility

The release of augments helped that a lot because not only they would boost WarKai's damage against heavy armor but the slash would delete Duca's torps

[untold acorn]

don't fight those fleets with eldridge retrofit, jintsuu meta and laffey 2. There's still plenty players who aren't toxic

[gloomy sand]

<@&460646206851252224> obliterate him.

thank you.

anyways, it is an issue of skill

[jade heart]

Pvp is a myth

[languid plank]

https://tenor.com/view/10-gif-10454989151391905331

[grim solar]

Damn and I thought my 500k merit was a lot.

[untold acorn]

hello friend! I'm looking for tips how to counter eldridge retrofit, jintsuu meta and laffey 2 with damage control aux on. You seem like the one who knows what they're talking about. I appreciate the help! thank you in advance

[vale minnow]

Depends what ships you have

[untold acorn]

all ships except Clemenceau

[vale minnow]

I mean a good counter will be a mirror matchup
But you can also try out the jintsuuMeta, shima, eld lineup

Or run a stall lineup

[untold acorn]

their BBs are better than mine. any counter? aka not using the same ships? No one is calling me a legend for using that

[vale minnow]

What’s their back line and your back line?

But anyways, a torpmemes frontline if you get good rng can blast enemy vanguard away

[untold acorn]

Usually Musashi, NJ and another BB. I can't blast them, they're invincible

[vale minnow]

That’s prob cuz eld procced

[untold acorn]

ye ye that's what i'm asking

like, what do i do except waiting to lose

[vale minnow]

Try using a tier 1 back line fleet
Something like musashi, lion, Alsace or sth

I meant seydlitz instead of Alsace

If you’re fighting a lion fleet without lion, you’re bricked, because she just burns your back line

The standard vanguard comp is tough, so the only good alternatives are torpmemes and stalls

Anything else would require more resetting

[untold acorn]

yeahh Lion is auto-lose and soon Mecklenburg too

alright thanks for the chat

[vale minnow]

I actually don’t know abt meck

Uhm, here’s a a comp I used for a while
It has a shitty winrate and you need to move like half an hour before reset, but it works

[finite fog]

jintm is perma, no reason not to use her

[untold acorn]

don't really understand, I just know fosho i lose against that

and there's nothing i can do but apparently copy it and hope i proc and they don't

[finite fog]

attacker has damage advantage

[untold acorn]

they don't take damage

unless i'm lucky they don't proc

need a 6 6 for that tho

i'll try an avrora + double torpmemes without any main guns

so they don't give more chances to proc

too bad ships still shoot something for some reason

[neat atlas]

all ships are equipped with ghost weapons if you don't have anything in the slot

[whole salmon]

What I’m getting from the convo so far is you have all ships but don’t want to use them and wants to counter them using a different comp

And you want to kill Eldridge before she procs

[whole salmon]

In which case Avrora doesn’t help, Laffey 2 and Jintsuu Meta doesn’t care about it while you don’t need her to kill Eldridge if you are already running torp comp

There are ways around this like using Shimakaze but most cases you still need Eldridge, otherwise your frontline would lose to Lion

If you run full paper frontline without Eldridge then even if you kill their Eldridge, your frontline is still more paper than theirs and they can still win in a 4 vs 6

You can kill enemy Eldridge but then enemy Laffey can simply 1 vs 3 you since none of your ships have guns

[gloomy sand]

1. follow the sheet's rec main and vanguard fleet rec/s. Mix and match
2. follow the gear rec/s
3. +13 your gears (important)
4. oath the botes (minute increase bcs minor stat boosts. optional, up to you if you can afford it or now)

l8 bcs college moment

[trail temple]

It's almost like we handed our homework to everyone to copy

[untold acorn]

thanks for the help everyone. I'll just continue to not fight comps using these specific ships in order to enjoy the game

if this mode has been figured out, I can't bring anything to the table

[whole salmon]

Just remember that there’s always a Chinese player ahead of us

[untold acorn]

that's alright, I was just trying to use my brain how i can, if i can.

[whole salmon]

CN is fuming

That Duca’s aug buffed her red skill

Instead of the torp crit of her yellow skill or survivability of blue skill

[frigid prism]

Wait

Damn

Fuck

Fuck me

Duca please be good

Please bring back the Italian fleet

[gray belfry]

definitely doesn't change anything

[stable dawn]

they buffed all the parts of her that don't affect survivability

[trail temple]

That was a whole lot of copium for nothing

[knotty hazel]

[whole salmon]

News but technically bad news

The new PR8 torp has 1 less torp and less damage overall compared to tea torp

However it does have 1 advantage that is the range

Tea torp is working on 70-110 while PR8 torp is on 140-160

So CN thought that sacrificing damage for range might be beneficial

[whole salmon]

However, black aux torp for some reason turn the range of PR8 torp back to being 70-110

Meaning the benefit is gone

Meaning the PR8 torp sucks

The end

[valid oxide]

What about that torp for ships that don't run blacktorp?

[whole salmon]

Then PR8 torp isn’t magnetic

It is basically the base tea torp with 1 less torp and less damage

[valid oxide]

Oh so it's still teatorps or that one french anti-light torps then

What a shame

[whole salmon]

If it isn’t magnetic then what’s the point of the range

[stable dawn]

so it's confirmed black torp is basically hardcoded to 70-110 range whatever is launched with the homing

amazing

[foggy whale]

Huh I thought the torp was magnetic.

I must have read some mistranslated patch notes

[gloomy sand]

[trail temple]

[late heath]

Essex gonna be meta

https://x.com/azurlane_en/status/1954372611208806776?s=46

Azur Lane Official (@AzurLane_EN)

★Essex (Retrofit)★

Essex's retrofitting has finished! Now Enterprise will be– No, YOU will be 120% satisfied with me, Commander! Anyway, I, Essex-class aircraft carrier Essex, am at your command!

Currently, Essex is in dry dock being retrofitted. She will be ready to launch

X · Aug 10, 2025, 2:41 AM

[whole salmon]

We got Essex kai before Enterprise

Tho her 3 other skills seems kinda mbruh for pvp

Getting 4 USS ships isn’t too difficult since we already using 2 in the frontline

But unless the new skill is sasuga or her existing skills are hyper buffed, it is a tough road

[whole salmon]

Mbruh if they make the “12% chance to turn damage to 1” applies to all types of damage and not just torp and dive bomber, it would be cancerous with Laffey Eld

[valid oxide]

immortal vanguard and frontline truly an incredible game

wait thats the same thing

i cant word

[mortal aspen]

I hope at least she get second fighters slot

And if it's not her second slot this will be fiasco

And my prediction will be her third skill will get shield for 5% max hp when triggered cos she have some shields plates on art screen

[stable dawn]

50% increased AA
gimmick freeze skill that happens on launch
buffs vg FP by 5%

that's my prediction

[worldly ore]

My prediction is essex is still unusable in pvp

[knotty hazel]

nice

[gray belfry]

i wouldn't say that's quite accurate cuz tea torp can run out of range and that torp can't. also since it has 0 spread it has a little bit more chance to land also because of that

but it is really lame that if you equip the torp aux then it loses the range

[gloomy sand]

yet another disappointment by devs

[valid oxide]

Gimmick freeze skill that's basically only useful if in a kear yk2 fleet trust

[stable dawn]

new pve meta

[knotty hazel]

w16 must

[junior trench]

Jet Barrage definitely, trust

[gloomy sand]

[junior trench]

I’m gonna guess that she’ll just get upgrades for all her skills, rather than a whole new skill, but you never know.

I’m still thinking she might set a smokescreen for the backline in reference to her WoWs kit.

[whole salmon]

What a useless thing in the current state of the game. At least have it be invul or HP shield or 12% chance to reduce all damage to 1

It would have been useful back during triple BB meta but right now it is clapped

Lion’s burn and CV crash damage both bypasses evasion

And for pve that isn’t that useful either

Since bomb boats and end screen plane crash still bypasses evasion

[stable dawn]

essex retro buffs her crit rate to 100%
creates a slow vortex that sucks in all enemies
and summons geryon

[junior trench]

I mean, that’s assuming it’d just be a bog standard smoke

[mortal aspen]

Instead of back line smoke she can have fritz gimmick like loosing detection few times. Not sure any kind of smoke can be useful. BBs always on detection and CVs just want to be hidden

[junior trench]

It could be setting smoke that decreases the detection gauge, that triggers when she's spotted. It'd replicate the cheese strategy Essex players use in WoWs where they only ever use smokes on themselves.

[mortal aspen]

This is like Fritz Rumey has

[late heath]

UR Essex have 5% chance to summon UR Kashino that sink the enemy fleet in milk

[unkempt vortex]

if UR Essex has a chance to summon a Lemon Shower that does screen clearing, I'm in

[abstract cypress]

[mellow summit]

Got Essex kai before Yamato?

[trail temple]

Moment you get Yamato, we will get eos

[ornate cosmos]

Curious..is royal oak seyd and lion backline will be harder to kill?same vanguard set up..laff ii jintM and eld kai

[ornate cosmos]

Ohh pls yamato

[hybrid agate]

not really, it will be almost the same survivability as other 3BB fleets. they just have a zombie skill that will stall a little

[ornate cosmos]

Hmm ohhh ok ok i see..

[trail temple]

It also has significantly less damage

You probably lose more than you gain

[ornate cosmos]

Sorry to ask it here..but why some of us speculate yamato..if yamato will come this yr could be a pvp meta

[worldly ore]

It's meme

[ornate cosmos]

Ahah sorry i bit the bait whaha..imma coper for yamato for this yr

[knotty hazel]

lol

[ornate cosmos]

So still the meta for the pvp is lion sushi and whose the last one tho..and also laff ii jintM and eld kai yea

[trail temple]

The sheet has options for a third if you want to use Lion and Musashi

[ornate cosmos]

But on ur opinion who arw u using

[trail temple]

Stick a Seydlitz on there and call it a day

It's the highest tiered of the lot

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/patchouli-patchouli-knowledge-touhou-gif-18404060375425605831

[mortal aspen]

Why Seydlitz?
This ship need at least 2 IB ships and perfectly if at least 1 will be in main
Her third skill almost unusable without Marvels of History second ship
Her best part 10 sec invulnerability and 80% rld with average stats
Just asking. No blame cos I can't understand her overrate

[vale minnow]

you just answered your own question

10s invuln is very good, can get one more shot off, can outlive manjuu

[mortal aspen]

Ok. So one more question: how is it real to get 20 Rosen Mark from Glorious META in 20 sec pvp match? Just looking 3rd main ship slot for pvp. I didn't invest too much in Glorious META. Thinking about her

Ah nvm. Missread every 30% hp once per battle

[trail temple]

She goes to 40 normally by the time you reach her airstrike

[valid oxide]

practically guaranteed

actually yeah im pretty sure lion burn alone is more than enough to guarantee it

[whole salmon]

She works as an anti frontline near preload ship that is tankier than Alsace

The only reason she is used at all is that Alsace tends to fall over and die after her preload and never got a chance for 2nd

[gloomy sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863472846122909736/1211593606964580372/Laffey_Step-SeoRi-87046391.gif

[junior moss]

scammer evolved, now they use ai to create fake news; wish we could give scammers a good life sentence

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/essex-azur-lane-wash-washing-machine-screaming-gif-2988230697739988192

[unkempt vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/essex-azur-lane-wash-washing-machine-screaming-gif-2988230697739988192

[whole salmon]

Good news

The new skill has some usage in preventing Eldridge from getting 1 shotted

Bad news

Blue skill still sucks

[gloomy sand]

bad news

how would you slot sex 2 into the pvp fleets

[wicked surge]

How viable is Musashi instead of nahk? Unironically beating my ass

[gloomy sand]

still good

[whole salmon]

Why did it have to be the red skill that got changed and not the blue skill

The blue skill absolutely sucks

[wicked surge]

Well she has nahk loadout technically and faster

[whole salmon]

That doesn’t matter, what makes Nak good is her ability to reset concealment

The only reason Nakhimov and Glorious are used are because they have concealment wipe

Now we cope for a buff for her useless af blue skill

The Fate Sim don’t look that promising either

[stable dawn]

meta remains unchanged? Colour me surprised

[long scarab]

make things even more unkillable as they are let it timeout

[mortal aspen]

Another pre-dot while protection vs bullets. Feel like pvp become some kind magician fight where barrage more important

Or torps meta will rise again

[frigid prism]

warspite already replaced

Seydlitz

is for cowards

who hide behind invul

[fickle echo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745143627608752179/987672754641834084/unknown.png?ex=689e6a2e&is=689d18ae&hm=d292ef067cfb04d969670646169961d76f53518ff17da062487dc0906fcd1a81&

Same energy

[stable dawn]

wtf it's been over 4 years

[trail temple]

By the colonel's logic, he shouldn't be using manjuu, laffey, eldridge or Jintm either

[junior trench]

Blue skill upgrade in future augment, trust

[whole salmon]

I think coping for a buff before the 7 days is over is also possible lmao

[junior trench]

Idk, I feel like upgrading 2 whole skills seems like a stretch.

I agree though, her blue skill needed it the most.

[whole salmon]

Like the red skill got buffed but the buff feels kinda minor?

It is better but it doesn’t feel too much better, like how Eldridge’s was

Blue skill still feels clapped

Could have changed it to affect end screen damage as well then it would be wonderful

[junior trench]

I mean, she now has two seemingly cracked barrages (I haven’t seen the stats for either, but I’m going to assume they’re cracked). Theoretically, she’s going to do nutty damage, however, the fact that all she has defensively is her blue skill definitely means she probably won’t survive as long as some carriers.

[whole salmon]

Yeah damage wise she probably will do as well as Nakhimov, perhaps even better due to flood

But yeah, no concealment wipe or any survivability skill

With how important frontline fight is, we can’t exactly run manjuu on Essex

[stable dawn]

give her 100% chance to summon lemons

[junior trench]

In other words, at the moment, Essex seems like a glass cannon.

Not sure if she'll be seeing any use in PvP, but maybe in PvE

Though, when it comes to PvE, I'd be confused on what backline to use her on. York2/Kearsarge teams are anti-light, but Essex has a specific buff against heavy armor.

And idk, I'd imagine there's much better choices on a Shinano core carrier backline

[stable dawn]

the truly orphaned CV

[foggy whale]

I'd just ignore the heavy armor buff and give her whatever, her extra airstrikes should increase her damage regardless

[mortal aspen]

She too good for ignoring york2 Essex buff. Just ignore heavy buff

If next refit will be Enty then circle will close. York2 buffs Essex class. Essex need 3 cv/cvl for max profit. Enty refit. Done

Or FS Kearsarge when she somehow become CVL with fighters in first slot

[valid oxide]

Kid named Soyuz nakhimov

[frigid prism]

essex will be the cv that can do everything

[finite fog]

yeah she'll also do your mom

[frigid prism]

not if i do essex first

[knotty hazel]

do what

[winged cedar]

[wind sonnet]

Hi

[turbid wyvern]

Hi bro. Are there no more additional points for rear admiral and above? or are there still additional points for ranking differences?

[vale minnow]

if the opponent you are facing is 35 or more score ahead of you, then you can get a +11, 71 score ahead and its a +2

[turbid wyvern]

Oooh thanks you bro

[whole salmon]

@stable dawn I have a question, have anyone tried getting a 2nd FDG yet and keeping her at Fate 4

I recently heard there’s a new system to get a 2nd PR/DR

But I haven’t looked too deeply into it

Or does that only work for skins?

[gloomy sand]

?

[whole salmon]

As in I heard there was a system where it allows PR and DR ships to have multiple versions to display their skins

[valid oxide]

its only for secretaries

[whole salmon]

Does it allow you to get another version or does it only exist in skin form

[whole salmon]

Hmm that sucks

[valid oxide]

its literally just different skin clones that only work as secretaries

[whole salmon]

I would pay gems if I could get another FDG

[valid oxide]

i mean technically you can also have a bunch of same skin clones too

[whole salmon]

There’s some drama recently on CN side which I really wanted to test

It showed FDG Seydlitz Lion vs Glorious Seydlitz Lion Eldridge Laffey Jintsuu

(Yes practically a 3 vs 6 and winning)

I have heard of Fate 4 FDG tech from TW server a while back but can’t test it cus mine is Fate 5

[valid oxide]

fdg fate 4 to unaimed barrage on glorious?

[whole salmon]

Yeah

It killed Glorious

It also works on Nakhimov as well

[valid oxide]

would a musashi not do the same

[steel coral]

why not just use musashi slash?

[valid oxide]

twin you cant be real </3

[whole salmon]

Ofc a bunch have debunked the fight as the lower fleet power on enemy comp suggest they didn’t have proper torps

But still, a 3 vs 6 is ridiculous

It was also a single fight and not repeated testing

But the fact it happened at all is quite something

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1p8bzzTEVa/?spm_id_from=333.1387.list.card_archive.click

[finite fog]

cv bot

[whole salmon]

Their frontline was nuked immediately while letting 3 backliner vs 6 ships

Glorious didn't get to fire due to Fate 4 FDG

[valid oxide]

is sushi slash or another cv fleet the solution to CV fleets

[whole salmon]

Fate 4 FDG is the solution

[valid oxide]

lv1 anchorage skill TRUE

[whole salmon]

This was noted as an outlier

Only 1 fight and not repeated fight

And also from the fleet power, it seems enemy have significantly weaker gear

If only we could test it ourselves but we don’t have Fate 4 FDG

[valid oxide]

i fs5ed fdg because i actually used her in pve for a while

[whole salmon]

I wonder if I slot in Fate 5 FDG if it works or not

Chances are it won’t but I’ll do it anyways

[valid oxide]

aimed barrage

[steel coral]

enemy was using french torps so no sniping possibilities, seydlitz didn't hit fdg or lion so no extra burn, lion only hit invincible seyd

torps and lion burn did like 90% to glorm

what is fdg barrage even doing?

[valid oxide]

im still levelling seyd and im waiting to finish meck cdc to level glorious meta to 125

[whole salmon]

Oh wait, it was Fate 5 FDG. I saw the + sign in the barrage

What is this testing even about

Fraud test

[gloomy sand]

[whole salmon]

Looks like CN also isn’t happy with it

The tester accused rafff of spreading propaganda of weak def fleet and secretly uses a strong offense comp that he doesn’t share to win, tries to disprove rafff’s comp with fate 4 FDG test vid

Rafff also realized it was Fate 5 FDG instead of Fate 4 and called him out

[finite fog]

yakuza t0

[valid oxide]

the secret offense team is actually mafia

[stable dawn]

so CN has an agency all along

I always wondered why a lot of their fleets are scuffed and don't work

like hiryuu vanguard during torpmemes

and their MSN gearing was also mighty sus, as using WNT flag was the only way to consistently guarantee Shinano didn't die early

[jade heart]

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[vale minnow]

Fdg mentioned