pvp

[whole salmon]

The pattern itself is actually goated, the only thing bad about it has always been the reload

[nimble fox]

We already have bb guns this year

Don't need another UR

[whole salmon]

If the reload is fixed like it was on KGV then everyone would use quad gun

[nimble fox]

Hence "braindead"

[finite fog]

i think the game has a lot more issues than "omg another ur bb gun"

[whole salmon]

I personally don’t see the issue

Rainbow plates take a lot to farm

You lot say that like we are going to have this rainbow gun up on the first few days

Most people won’t even have it done within this year

Scratch that, most players won’t have it done at all

Since they haven’t finish previous PR seasons

[nimble fox]

I'm not rushing

So maybe by the end of the year

Unless it's better than the 457

Gear wise, I'm excited for next yr

Another guam gun, another mogador gun, and plymouth gun in gear lab

[whole salmon]

What CN noted as the best defense lineups

Glorious Seyd Lion Shima comp

And Musashi Seyd Lion Shima comp

What CN notes as the best offense comps

First is the stable CV comp with Hiryuu

Second is any defense comp mentioned prior but with Laffey instead of Shima

[whole salmon]

Dead Master or Seydlitz or Musashi can also be used instead of Hiryuu

Despite coming up with the Warspite comp, CN still doesn’t consider it worthy of mention in their latest guide

[gloomy sand]

[gloomy sand]

I have not seen those infographics before. From rafff or someone else?

[whole salmon]

Yeah

Defense comp is nothing new

EN uses the Seydlitz comp as well, Shima is just there to increase the volatility

Glorious Meta comp is also nothing new, I talked about it for weeks now

They do note that a stable offense comp currently doesn’t exist (as in one with 90%+ wr)

And that resetting is to be expected

[gloomy sand]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1TaGJzjEjn

[whole salmon]

I think they gave up on triple HMS comp

The last time they did a vid on it was during the Warspite Aug release where they shat on it

[steel coral]

hms team doesn't do much against seyd + cv

[gloomy sand]

cope option dead in the water

[stable dawn]

EN has the same conclusion so far

pvp is dead

just get lucky

[nimble fox]

No, it's not dead. It's never alive, just like a body floating on a river motionless

[stable dawn]

you weren't around for MSN

[nimble fox]

Since getting to admiral of the navy doesn't reward you with anything decent. Manjuu could very well changed that by adding gold plates as rewards

[whole salmon]

Borgar is correct

[nimble fox]

My friends played since the 1st day of azur lane. They just didn't convince me (enough) until 2022

[whole salmon]

MSN was the most stable era

During which, MSN is both the best offense and the best defense

The win rate even in mirror is 85-90

[nimble fox]

I was (somewhat) aware of what was going on in AL at that time, since I still played Kancole

[stable dawn]

it was higher if you knew how to use evil juneau trickery

[whole salmon]

Currently there’s a extreme volatility caused by ships that ignores attacker’s advantage

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

Leading to win rate being closer to 75%

and if you don’t have proper gear, it might as well be a coin flip

[nimble fox]

https://tenor.com/view/toss-coin-flip-gif-26540301

[stable dawn]

even with 75 WR, it's often just a shitty laffey duel now

both vgs gone, both backlines gone, just your laff2 waiting for the other laff2 to die of old age

[nimble fox]

Idk why that rarely happens to me

(I used the alsus-lion-soyuz comp)

[stable dawn]

you're on washy right lmao

[nimble fox]

It's either I died, or their laffey 2 has to face my whole fleet since I dealt too much dmg

The latter is much more relevant, like 90% relevant

[stable dawn]

there's like 5 actual proper defense fleets on washy. The rest are all pve geared or lack basic stuff like manjuu

[whole salmon]

When we mention this stuff, we don’t mean fighting casual comps

[stable dawn]

I think a lot of people just saw warkai on the sheet and slapped her in without even changing her gear setup since 2019

full stop

[whole salmon]

We mean the ever specific case where we fight each other

[stable dawn]

not to mention casual pvpers just refresh to dodge hard defenses anyway so

[whole salmon]

the pvp community is small enough for most of us to know each other

[stable dawn]

literally

it's like no more than 30 people across all 6 servers

[whole salmon]

The casuals won’t fight our fleet to begin with, and we don’t need any special comp to fight a casual fleet either

It is just the small community that meet each other ever so often on the ladder

Like I could run 5/6 ships and still win 90% of the matches

[stable dawn]

bro you could run lion solo and probably still have the same WR

lmaooooooo

lion + std vg

[nimble fox]

I don't know, I'm late to this game and pvp, but at least I'm here

[stable dawn]

have you ever done eos

[whole salmon]

If you show up on eos a few times, people may remember you

[nimble fox]

Don't even know what that is

[stable dawn]

well there we go

[whole salmon]

If you show up on eos like 10-20 times, people definitely remember you

If you show up on eos like 96 times

[nimble fox]

I showed up quite a lot in the past 4 months

[stable dawn]

I'm pretty sure I'm at like 150ish total eos finishes now

across 6 years of AL

[nimble fox]

Regularly reach AoTN though

[whole salmon]

I don’t play multi server like Borgar or Ari

My total is only 96 eos

[stable dawn]

I'm not counting amagi lol

[nimble fox]

So idk if y'all gonna let me join in this pvp community

[whole salmon]

But on 1 server

[stable dawn]

since I basically just throw there

[whole salmon]

Eos is final score of a season

[stable dawn]

once in a while I get lucky and have high pace so I bag the last day and get eos lol

[whole salmon]

The final top 10 ranking

[nimble fox]

I only play 1 server

[whole salmon]

Getting aotn can be done within season

And isn’t eos

[nimble fox]

I'm very sure if I want to, I can

[stable dawn]

you can aotn with 5/10 remaining if your pace is high enough

[whole salmon]

Eos is nothing more than a simple bragging rights that brings no purpose other than to assert your dominance

[nimble fox]

But I just wanna reach top 10, I'm gonna have to be very strict on my schedule

[vale minnow]

its more like asserting your feminism

[stable dawn]

eos is literally just because we have nothing else left to do in this game

[finite fog]

Did someone say aotn at 5/10?

[stable dawn]

opsi is a slog
ex mode is rng malding
cat grind is... pure suffering

[vale minnow]

aotn is so easy to get tbh

[stable dawn]

and fleet power

[whole salmon]

Yeah you can get top 10 with 5/10 tickets left

[stable dawn]

LMAO

fleet power is something else

[nimble fox]

I have already beat chap 15, don't really have anything else to do

[stable dawn]

do you have 12 perfect cats

[vale minnow]

wait for w16

woah world 176

[nimble fox]

Not even trying

[stable dawn]

correct. Nobody likes the cat grind

[whole salmon]

Bro

I have 120 gold cats

[stable dawn]

do you mald ex mode leaderboards

[whole salmon]

Boxes

I haven’t opened any of then

Too lazy

[stable dawn]

I have like 500 now unopened

[nimble fox]

War thunder grind in the past 12 years is already enough suffering for me

[gloomy sand]

wtf my mover +34 me

???

[stable dawn]

legit cba

[nimble fox]

No, not even trying

[gloomy sand]

r9 is 71 and my r10 is 69

[vale minnow]

do you wnna wake up at possibly 3 am to do 5 exercises

[stable dawn]

average midseason gameplay

[finite fog]

just skip a set like i do

[nimble fox]

No, I have work and a family

I can't

[gloomy sand]

nvm im brainfarted, only r6 and above can be bonus 4 me atm

[vale minnow]

can always zero out

before sleeping

[nimble fox]

I'm an engineer, I have to be mindful of my sleep schedule, or else I can't think to work

[stable dawn]

you're an engineer? Name every engine

[vale minnow]

v8

on r8

[nimble fox]

Yes, I don't waste any attack

[finite fog]

which r8

[vale minnow]

smaller

[finite fog]

[vale minnow]

type 42

[nimble fox]

U serious

But I'll name a few

[finite fog]

[stable dawn]

no it is old meme

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/oh-you-love-x-name-every-y

[vale minnow]

i lowkey regret tryharding pvp

shouldve been a bulin rusher

[stable dawn]

why not go back to rushing then

no one's going to stop you

[finite fog]

thanks for stealing my regret

[gloomy sand]

you can start now in fact. you have good pace

[vale minnow]

my oaths go to waste

i already ruined my sleep schedule

[stable dawn]

all oaths are wasted in the grand scale of things

[vale minnow]

might as well go all in

[nimble fox]

2jz (straight 6, not v6) the j family engine (v6) high feature 6 (v6) AMG-156(v8) etc...

[finite fog]

touch grass for one week and you will fix sleep schedule

[nimble fox]

https://tenor.com/view/job-application-gif-3515684064707868771

[vale minnow]

Summon pvpers

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1352375523879162037/1377962620971257978/togif.gif

[finite fog]

sandeez nuts

[nimble fox]

I like my 2jz (straight 6) on my lexus, it's literally the toyota supra engine

[finite fog]

non turbo smh

[gloomy sand]

not r1 smh

[nimble fox]

No money, already pay on AL and war thunder for premium stuffs

[vale minnow]

tell that to ark

[gloomy sand]

[whole salmon]

I’ll graduate uni soon so that’s why I’m trying to reach 100 eos

After which I can retire

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

Don't I recall supras blowing up somewhere?

[trail temple]

Be Famine and have 100 r1s

[vale minnow]

is famine EN's highest conmander level?

[lusty hill]

Probably

[gloomy sand]

[valid oxide]

I have 0 EoS because I always end up giving up halfway through a season

[swift crown]

what skills are most important for seydlitz to level first? and when can i start using comps with her over my current (MAL)

she's 125 already

[trail temple]

I don't recall yellow being useful for pvp, so blue > red > yellow

[neon summit]

20.8k

[junior trench]

Oh this is easy, you can steamroll the vanguard if you build your team right.

Well, if you have good PvP ships that is

[neon summit]

i know

[vale minnow]

Zflag gaming

[trail temple]

There's a high 21k fleet on Avrora too

[whole salmon]

Anyways for those who can’t read CN

• Top position: Lion (no alternative)
• Middle position: Hiryuu > Dead Master > Seydlitz > Musashi
• Bottom position: Glorious Meta > Warspite kai

Frontline: Jintsuu Meta, Eldridge, Laffey 2

• If no Jintsuu Meta then Juneau. Put Invis on Juneau and switch her to off tank and Laffey to main tank
• If no Laffey or Eldridge then run Anchorage. Put Invis and Torp bulge on Ancho and switch her to main tank

Reset fight if:

• Eldridge dies too quickly
• Glorious Meta can’t fire fast enough

Any combination of the backline position is viable

[versed geyser]

Pretty sure if a Hiryuu + Glorious Meta ran into a defence with Laffey 2 + Warspite they’d be pretty screwed, just that CN keeps using Jintsuu Meta + Shimakaze leading to carriers being more viable

[stable dawn]

hey don't question CN, they give us free wins

[whole salmon]

How are they screwed again

Losing the backline fight is impossible, Hiryuu and Glorious Meta will kill any backline in current meta

Losing frontline fight? Maybe. Even with Glorious Meta’s damage reflection it is possible

But even then, it comes down to RNG of Eldridge

[whole salmon]

Or do you actually think anyone can tank 3 airstrikes with 13 rainbow planes

[versed geyser]

Yes losing frontline fight

[whole salmon]

Against triple HMS? Definitely not

Against Seydlitz? Maybe

[whole salmon]

Technically 4 airstrikes

[steel coral]

this was vs nano/hiryuu/amagi when new UR AA was added

[whole salmon]

And this is a single Nakhimov airstrike

[versed geyser]

It’s 3 BBs vs 1 of secondary main gun fire no?

[whole salmon]

You lot could downplay CVs all you want, I take free wins any day. Keep running triple HMS

[steel coral]

[whole salmon]

You mean how triple HMS’ prio targeting of warspite with screw over you actually winning the frontline fight since none of your ships are actually firing on the frontline

Run 1 CV and you win against triple HMS every time

[whole salmon]

I still don’t know why it is rated that highly

Seydlitz has always been better since the beginning

[versed geyser]

That’s true for 2 CV/1 BB as wll

[whole salmon]

Except for Glorious Meta

I have a feeling none of you actually knows what she does since her skill list is too long

The only thing bad about Glorious Meta is the rng death of Eldridge

[steel coral]

glorious meta is just two airstrikes with 4 wyverns each

big crash dmg

[versed geyser]

But unless the skill is worded wrong it’s 5% of total damage

[whole salmon]

If that’s all there is, Nahkimov could do the same. Damage reflection means ez winning frontline fight

[whole salmon]

Oh the skill is hella clapped

When you realize it bypasses damage reduction

And distance

Get a 1.7k burn on Lion? You can reflect that. Now that count as 2 tic on Laffey instead of 1

And triple burn of Lion on the frontline? You will reflect all of that

Enemy torp you and you only take 10% HP due to Laffey’s skill? You will reflect the FULL amount back

[steel coral]

[whole salmon]

When they coded it, they really didn’t think things through

If your Glorious gets burned, you could even reflect that damage back to the enemy way across the map

It is just any near enemy, regardless of distance or evasion or damage reduction

[versed geyser]

I’m pretty sure the 15%-20% equivalent heal for the frontline (if it triggers) is doing more than the damage reflection overall

[whole salmon]

That too

Her kit is just mbruh

Her nuke damage is stupidly high

And she can heal

And she can remove conceal

And she can damage reflect

They wrote a long af paragraph for a single skill

[whole salmon]

The counter is also equally easy

Just use Alsace or Seydlitz and nuke Eldridge

CV comp falls apart like paper

But against triple HMS? Nah it is easy fishing

[steel coral]

her double airstrike, detection gauge reset, and heal all make her a really good option in pvp but I feel like you severely overvalue how much the dmg reflection is actually contributing

[whole salmon]

Possible that this is just me glazing

But I didn’t have issues losing frontline fight ever since switching from Nakhimov to Glorious Meta

Which is why let’s test it myself

Musashi placed to snipe Glorious Meta bottom

Alsace to nuke Eldridge

Seems like a good counter, the comp Ari came up with

https://youtu.be/l7oWvzj9CbE?si=QRzoCDHrGgyA_Y_4

Isn’t that nice

[wary berry]

could mecklenburg become a royal oak replacement in the triple rn bb meta?

[whole salmon]

Datamine out already? Very interesting

I’ll check it

[brazen socket]

This looks real juicy

This is mecklenburg

[whole salmon]

Very good actually

Hehhhh

Does this stack with Seydlitz I wonder

Now this is something truly interesting

[brazen socket]

Mecklenburg is gonna be in the oven for awhile

Sadly we can't see her full potential just yet

[whole salmon]

Tho Seydlitz also have damage redirect right

How would that work exactly

Very very very interesting

Seydlitz and Mecklenburg

[stable dawn]

macklemore confirmed meta???

https://tenor.com/view/99cents-jump-cool-fuzzy-coat-macklemore-gif-13908763

[brazen socket]

Double kms

[whole salmon]

Return of KMS

Last slot is Fate 4 FDG

[brazen socket]

German Teatime

[whole salmon]

Taiwan server already knew

[stable dawn]

use UVH

[brazen socket]

Taiwan predicted a year ahead of us

[stable dawn]

mid so she doesn't have the fast loading

[brazen socket]

They were actually playing 5d chess

[stable dawn]

just like Ari once did

[whole salmon]

Lmao

Mecklenburg has damage redirect

And invul

Seydlitz also have damage redirect

And invul

[brazen socket]

Practically a royal oak

[whole salmon]

The damage is just cycled through everyone

[stable dawn]

watch it crash the game

[whole salmon]

FDG takes damage

That damage is sent to Seydlitz

Because Seydlitz take damage, it is then sent to Mecklenburg

Which is then sent back to Seydlitz

[stable dawn]

INFINITE LOOP

[whole salmon]

Which is then sent back to Mecklenburg?

[steel coral]

the dmg split happens at the same time as the dmg is taken

so it won't loop

basically only affects direct dmg

[whole salmon]

It honestly depends on how clapped the code is

[brazen socket]

Inb4 the game bugs and no one takes damage and we have a fully invincible backline

[stable dawn]

or they end up damaging each other and die faster

[whole salmon]

Tho we should still run Lion

Mecklenburg doesn’t seem to require faction like Seydlitz

So how should we cycle this

Lion middle

Mecklenburg top

Seydlitz bottom

[lusty hill]

Meck is seydlitz killer

[whole salmon]

Nah

[stable dawn]

0 luck stat

[whole salmon]

We run her with Seydlitz

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

For maximum cinema

[stable dawn]

no preload

[whole salmon]

With this much tankiness

Is it enough

[steel coral]

if only her 3s invul was for all kms

[whole salmon]

Your backline now is essentially a rock

[brazen socket]

This would technically count as SML 2 no

?

[whole salmon]

Which then raises the question

How’s the damage

[stable dawn]

3s being just for herself is pretty lame tbh, I'm actually not sure if she'll even see use vs a hidden CV

[whole salmon]

The gun is AP and slow

So it is clapped

[stable dawn]

probs run mk4 or 457 as usual

oh hey I rolled Veston

[brazen socket]

Meck should have a slight edge with backline damage

[vale minnow]

VestN

[whole salmon]

Mecklenburg seems to prefer AP

[brazen socket]

She has additional damage vuln + good multiplier vs heavy

[stable dawn]

she's a BB with 170% coeff

[whole salmon]

Since her skills require AP

[stable dawn]

if her gun misses, what do you even do lol

no AoE barrage like soyuz

no lightning cancer like musashi

she's basically just bis2 with an invuln

[brazen socket]

Maybe her gun could be a consideration to be used for backline fights

[whole salmon]

Kick out Warspite ofc

[brazen socket]

1s faster than champy gun

Tight spread heavy leaning gun

[whole salmon]

Nah her gun is slow

[vale minnow]

backline get bumslapped by fast guns

[whole salmon]

At that point just use Nakhimov

[brazen socket]

True..

I guess we're going back to good ol 406/457

[whole salmon]

Man

She doesn’t help at all with anti frontline

[stable dawn]

put on that french CL gun ez

[brazen socket]

Ngl its hard to make good anti frontline tech unless the devs have a silencer effect

[whole salmon]

We need anti frontline otherwise this happens

You understand how cancerous this is lmao

[brazen socket]

Truly

Everytime that happens I get stressed the fuck out

[vale minnow]

does cleo pvp

omegod savage moved

[whole salmon]

Broo wtf the Kansas gun is 30 sec reload

Who would even use this

Hmm, the CL gun has decent range

Perhaps it can replace the DD guns currently

• Current DD guns: 70 firing, shell 60-80

• New CL gun: 70 firing, shell 60-70

[versed geyser]

Both AP I assume?

[whole salmon]

• Plymouth gun: 68 firing, shell 60-80

So the CL gun has slightly longer range and can use at top and bottom

[whole salmon]

Yeah it is AP

But the modifiers are anti light 120-85-65

So it seems very good for pvp

[versed geyser]

How many shells does it shoot in one reload cycle

Current DD gun fires 6

[whole salmon]

New CL gun

• 36 x 3, 3.3 reload, coeff 110-130, 120/85/65 mods

Plymouth gun

• 30 x 4, 3.1 reload, coeff 110-130, 110/90/70 mods

Damage wise may be lower than Plymouth gun

But it has range

Hmm, perhaps not too impactful

DD gun might still function better

[whole salmon]

Do we know the barrage yet

[stable dawn]

nope

[whole salmon]

Guess not

[stable dawn]

watch it be

NJ barrage

[whole salmon]

Nah

3 times the charm

FDG, UvH, Mecklenburg

All 3 have needles barrage

[stable dawn]

wonder if she can reveal CVs then

[whole salmon]

If she could then she would be peak

If not then she may only be good against BB comps

[stable dawn]

first reveal at 10s, second reveal at 30s

would actually hard counter cat

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193929165158748190/1386703156611907654/FA350DDB1F8FB59D2F3E12EDD05F9CFA.gif

[whole salmon]

If she has Fate 4 FDG’s barrage where it is fixed position, it would be stonk

[stable dawn]

if it's wet noodle NJ style barrage though

I am going to cough up a lung laughing

because this would be officially the most mediocre PR series yet

[whole salmon]

Have you seen the DD smoke

Lmao

I thought I was reading a skill description of a purple

[stable dawn]

she probably is a recycled purple rejected from a past event tbh

the devs have definitely went all-in on AP

[whole salmon]

Yeah everything is AP

The CA looks semi interesting but at the end of the day still isn’t something to write home about

[stable dawn]

she's Brest but with no Iris faction so less synergy

[whole salmon]

The regular PRs all seem bland

[stable dawn]

even has the same vg heal skill

[whole salmon]

The CL reminds me of Seattle

This is sad

Time to cope for Yamato at JP anniv

[brazen socket]

I'm like in a weird middle ground

I'm invested into pvp meta but at the same time I don't take pvp all too seriously

If I overcap more than once I drop the rest of the season

:kek:

[whole salmon]

Bro wtf

Apparently it is a typo

Kansas main gun efficiency is lower

Wtf is this

[whole salmon]

Are we cooked

When a BB have barrage that is categorized as “bomb” and “torpedo”

[stable dawn]

wtf

[whole salmon]

Why tf is everything 1

1 bullet?

We’re cooked

[stable dawn]

maybe it triggers a debuff

but does 1 dmg

[whole salmon]

Bomb barrage

• Damage: 200
• Coeff: 100%
• Bullet: 2
• Mod: 100/100/100
• Scaling: FP stat

Torp barrage

• Damage: 120
• Coeff: 100%
• Bullet: 8
• Mod: 80/110/140
• Scaling: TRP stat (???????????)

AP bareage

• Damage: 100
• Coeff: 100%
• Bullet: 4
• Coeff: 80/120/140
• Scaling: FP stat

I can’t believe this, her barrage has 3 bullets

[stable dawn]

LMAO

[whole salmon]

1 of which scales off of Torp

Of which she has none

Wtf is this

[stable dawn]

so it's even worse than NJ barrage

incredible

[trail temple]

@whole salmon do you have the link for the datamine?

[stable dawn]

2018 ass ship

[whole salmon]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vT2ImCehTEEePJqPF1j8tTy2r40BoCUL_BGh6u7O1DP7gyQ1eOUuTHOZBRH8djaNlHibOzcU5sSNMbz/pubhtml#

[trail temple]

[whole salmon]

Do you know Kansas is worse

She has 1 main gun mount it seems

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

With only 115% coeff

[stable dawn]

so she's a blue ship

[whole salmon]

And her gun is 30 sec reload

[stable dawn]

actual rare

disguised as a PR

[whole salmon]

People are coping it is a bug

[stable dawn]

PR8 sure is gr8

[whole salmon]

And that she has a special main gun mount

Or anything

[stable dawn]

nah I think it's a sign

[whole salmon]

Cus currently Kansas is cooked

[stable dawn]

azur lane is not only abandoned

it's fully dead

[whole salmon]

If NJ hit like a wet noodle

Idk what to describe these

[stable dawn]

would not be surprised if JP anni is Yamato

then game goes eos in 2026

[whole salmon]

Nvm the code pepega

Samheart clarified

Due to pepega code

She has 1 + 1 + 1 + 1

Instead of the typical 3 main gun mount

As in it is separate (?)

[stable dawn]

gascoigne 3

[whole salmon]

@stable dawn alright it is fixed

Doesn’t seem much better tho

2 bombs, 8 torps, 4 AP shells

[stable dawn]

why torps

[whole salmon]

Who tf knows

Why does it even scale off of torp stat

[stable dawn]

amagi 3 confirmed

[trail temple]

#justwowsthingz

[stable dawn]

clearly the meta will be to put 2x oxy torp on her for max barrage damage

[gray belfry]

this is far from a new concept for BB/BC with a torp stat in the past

more weird are the ones with a torp stat who don't use it anywhere

[whole salmon]

Wait wait Borgar

It is black hole

The barrage

[stable dawn]

if it's bis2 sized and position independent, it's just as worthless

but could be hilarious meme def

double black hole comp

[whole salmon]

If it is targeted

Then it would be funny

[stable dawn]

bis2 dead in a ditch

power crept by a DR

[whole salmon]

Seems like we can have some funny memes on this

[stable dawn]

use impy too for maximum stun

[whole salmon]

Wait nvm it sucks

It is like Nakhimov

As in it requires someone else to do black hole

For it to work

[stable dawn]

what

so she has to be paired with bis2???

[whole salmon]

Like how Nakhimov requires a Russian slow to work right

As in to combo off of

[stable dawn]

because that's like the only black hole in the game right

[whole salmon]

Mecklenburg can combo off of a ship that can use black hole

Yeah

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

This feels like such whiplash

[whole salmon]

It feels like we are so cooked

The gear doesn’t seem great, the ships all seems mbruh

[whole salmon]

I guess it isn’t as bad as Rossiya’s barrage scaling off of AVI stat

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

Lala can suck too

[undone blade]

Did they change something so that Lion's barrage is burning the top backliner now?

[trail temple]

The burn jumps when the ship dies

So if a nearby ship with the burn dies, it'll get the burn

[light crystal]

r the new botes meta

[stable dawn]

as meta as drake

[worldly ore]

Meck seems okay

[trail temple]

Not as meta as deez nuts

[junior trench]

Now hang on, Kansas has 4 Gun Mounts

[steel coral]

São Martinho has 6

[whole salmon]

That’s not exactly interesting

The code of it is tho, with how spaghetti it is

[junior trench]

It is unique. And also you kept saying she only had one earlier LOL

[whole salmon]

She does

She has 1 + 1 + 1 + 1

It isn’t 4 gun mounts

[junior trench]

[whole salmon]

The code is different

Like how Gascogne doesn’t have 2 gun mounts

She has 1 + 1

[junior trench]

What’s the difference here?

[whole salmon]

Having 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 is different from having 4

Just like how having 1 + 1 is different from having 2

[junior trench]

But how does it differ in practice?

[whole salmon]

If you have Gascogne then you would know

[junior trench]

I never use her

[whole salmon]

3 gun mounts right

You can only aim the 1st

The 2nd and 3rd is auto aim

For Gascogne, you can aim both gun mounts

Instead of it being the system

Which is why 1 + 1 gun mount has better than 2 gun mounts

But it has disadvantage of absolute cd

[junior trench]

Absolute CD?

[whole salmon]

The delay between firing

You can fire immediately

This is why jamming happens in pvp

You trade speed for accuracy

[whole salmon]

And technically Kansas’s final gun mount isn’t even hers

It is the Skill’s own gun mount

It is more like an extra barrage if you think about it that way

[junior trench]

Is it? It looked more like the skill just changes the target priority

[whole salmon]

The coding for it is still absolute spaghetti

Even if it functions how it should function, 4 x 115 isn’t much different from 3 x 150 in practice

[junior trench]

No, you know what, with the fact that you said the code is spaghetti, I’m convinced. There was some sort of procrastination going on or they had trouble deciding on some kits and ships. The way you’re describing it, it sounds like they put together Kansas’ code really quickly and sloppily.

And the Italian DD being super mediocre

[whole salmon]

Don’t worry

Mecklenburg is basically Seydlitz

I’m just intrigued as to how both ships trying to funnel damage from one another would mess up the code

[junior trench]

Couldn’t someone test this with Seyd and Royal Oak?

[whole salmon]

No

Seydlitz only works on KMS

Royal Oak only works on HMS

[junior trench]

Ah

[whole salmon]

Mecklenburg works without faction requirement

So we can have a bunch of shenanigans

[junior trench]

Tbh I forgot Seyd is KMS only

[whole salmon]

[steel coral]

you can test with hiei and sodak

[junior trench]

I’m telling you right now, if the coding between Meck and Seyd break, I’m 100% right about this PR season being them rushing to throw things together.

[sick moon]

[whole salmon]

The DD is what I’m most disappointed in

If this was 3 years ago, maybe

Currently it is just dead

[sick moon]

what happens if mecky is the flagship?

[whole salmon]

[junior trench]

She just keeps the damage probably?

[sick moon]

wait aint there like a combo with musashi & her

[gray belfry]

"napoli but 3 times worse" or "harbin but worse" are apt descriptions

[whole salmon]

JP says Kansas has 150 x 3

CN says Kansas has 115 x ( 1 + 1 + 1 )

EN says Kansas has 115 x 4

[sick moon]

115 x 3

[whole salmon]

No one can decipher Kansas lmao

The code is too mbruh for anyone to know wtf is going on

[whole salmon]

CN is thinking Lion middle, Mecklenburg top, Seydlitz bottom

[junior trench]

I’m disappointed in all of the ships tbh. Meck is at least alright by just being the next Rainbow BB, but all the other ships are either bland (except Kansas who might be playing around with gun mount stuff) or bad (like the Pizza DD).

[whole salmon]

Lion would take a lot of damage but she has her own damage reduction

That damage is then funneled up to Mecklenburg

Which is then funneled down to Seydlitz

[sick moon]

mecky & kansas are the only ones i like too

the designs of the other 3 is bad too

[whole salmon]

I can’t believe it is 2025 and we have a DD that does smoke

A PR DD at that

And her entire kit is built around smoke

Would have been useful but now Lion’s burn simply bypasses concealment

Mecklenburg’s barrage is targeting

[gray belfry]

i saw a video of cuniberti barrage i actually didn't realize it was on each puff that she barraged. could've been worse honestly, at least those barrages are homing

[junior trench]

Tbf, I’m still fine with Smoke, it at least has ties to the actual ships. I’d say the problem is they don’t give the ships any special benefits from most of them other than the evasion (at least the new Pizza DD gets to do rapid fire barrages for being in smoke, and her smoke only affects herself so she wouldn’t interfere with a ship like Eldridge).

[whole salmon]

https://twitter.com/Ratto7R/status/1943228633633652774

らっと@アズレン (@Ratto7R)

メークレンブルク スキル特殊弾幕
#アズールレーン

X · Jul 10, 2025, 8:39 AM

Incase the gif didn’t work

It seems decently large range, quick animation and targeting

[valid oxide]

Unless they have spaghetti code mess (likely) it would mean meck takes 20% of the damage and seyd takes 30% of the damage that is dealt to lion (assuming meck damage redirection is up and before accounting for seyd damage reduction because I'm too lazy)

[whole salmon]

Just that this may not be enough

[gray belfry]

it does seem like she only has the smoke for herself, i saw the video after you said that and noticed that. no normal smoke just her own exhaust smoke it seems... eugh

[whole salmon]

Absolutely terrible

[valid oxide]

As long as her barrages are good she will be a decent DPS DD for pve but still irrelevant for PvP

[junior trench]

It’s based on the Italian Smoke in WoWs.

[gray belfry]

yes, i'm aware

[whole salmon]

The guns as well

Mecklenburg gun? AP and slow

Kansas gun? AP and 30 sec level of slow

CL gun? AP as well

At least the CB gun is HE but like, is it even worth celebrating

[junior trench]

I mean, not for PvP, but it at least will probably mean CBs will have a better HE option in general for PvE content.

[valid oxide]

Azuma gun was the last HE option for CBs so I'll take it

[whole salmon]

Let’s say there’s 3 ships: FDG, Seyd and Mecklenburg

FDG is hit by a shell that deals 1000

Seydlitz takes 60% of that, meaning FDG now only takes 400 damage

Seydlitz then reduce that damage by 20%, meaning she would take 480 damage

[whole salmon]

If FDG is flagship, Mecklenburg then takes 50% of that damage, meaning FDG takes 200 and Mecklenburg takes 200

[whole salmon]

If Seydlitz is flagship, Mecklenburg then takes 240 damage and Seydlitz takes 240 damage. Damage is still dealt to FDG

[whole salmon]

Scenario A:

• FDG: 200 damage
• Mecklenburg: 200 damage
• Seydlitz: 480 damage
  => 880 damage distributed

[whole salmon]

Scenario B:

• FDG: 400 damage
• Mecklenburg: 240 damage
• Seydlitz: 240 damage
  => Still 880 damage distributed

Which distribution is better? If you ask me then I prefer scenario A

[valid oxide]

If you are assuming seyd flag for scenario B though, would it not make more sense to assume seyd gets hit as opposed to fdg?

Wait you never said flag

Or did you

Uh

You did

[whole salmon]

If Seydlitz get hit then FDG takes zero damage

1000 is then split between Seydlitz and Mucklenburg

500-500 each

Lmao

[valid oxide]

So scenario B would be worse then

[whole salmon]

Yeah, you want the ship in the middle to get the brunt of the damage

So that it can be transferred

[whole salmon]

Wait hold, let me check my maths again

This is so confusing

Scenario A seems correct tho

Hmm, also seems okay. Mecklenburg only covers 1 position

Tho Scenario A and B all assumes damage is going from FDG -> Seyd -> Mecklenburg

[whole salmon]

If it is Lion then it would be different

If Lion is middle then the damage would go from Lion -> Mecklenburg -> Seyd

In which case:

• Lion: 500 (assuming already factored in damage reduction)
• Mecklenburg: 200
• Seydlitz: 240

[valid oxide]

If the damage in scenario A hits fdg when she is flag, logically it should also hit flag in scenario B, which is seyd. It makes scenario B explicitly worse but since seyd has her zombie shenanigans it could still work since torps would hit her and not the rest of the backline

[whole salmon]

Lion takes 1000 damage, Mecklenburg split it 50%. Seydlitz then take 60% of it then nerf it by 20%.

• Lion: 50% * 1000 = 500
• Mecklenburg: 50% * 40% * 1000 = 200
• Seydlitz: 500 * 60% * 80% = 240

[valid oxide]

I can't believe they made teatime German

[whole salmon]

I just wanted to test the order

Scenario A has Mecklenburg splits FDG’s damage taken

Scenario B has Mecklenburg splits Seydlitz’s damage taken

It is just a way to gauge the damage distribution

[valid oxide]

Do we know for definite the damage redirect stacks?

[whole salmon]

Unless spaghetti code, yes

Nard mentioned Hiei Sodak

So we might have to look into that

[valid oxide]

Also hiei meta by the looks of it

[whole salmon]

Tho with such damage shifting

Middle position might not be as dangerous as before

Another thing that people don’t mention is that this is another counter to triple HMS since you can funnel that damage a bunch of times

And seeing as all 3 ships as tanky af, focus firing isn’t effective

[valid oxide]

Another teatime L

[whole salmon]

Truly the Germans out here trying to get rid of the British

[stable dawn]

the counter is to use 3CV

[junior trench]

Don’t call it a comeback

[light crystal]

So all this longass convo I'm reading just means... New PR not good in peeveepee eh

[valid oxide]

Meck maybe rest

[stable dawn]

new PRs might not even be good in pve

[valid oxide]

I think they will all be decent except for Kansas who suffers from her best gun being musashi gun

[junior trench]

From what I hear, her upgraded barrage isn’t super noteworthy, so you can just go for a standard BB gun.

[valid oxide]

Still bad

[junior trench]

Also, I think her own gun is a slow gun, so if you really wanted to go for max charges, you could just use that.

[valid oxide]

It's worse than sushi gun though

Anyway daisen is better

[junior trench]

As far as I’m aware, Kansas has stupid high stats from what people say.

[nimble fox]

So... how are the new gears?

[valid oxide]

Nothing special

[gloomy sand]

[trail temple]

inb4 bad equips

[nimble fox]

Weird thought

Will bismarck 2 and meglenburg gonna be relevant in pvp

I'm thinking lion, bismarck 2 and meglenburg

Bismarck 2 seems to have an ability to pull vanguards in for a well placed shot as well...

But again, mecklenburg is another case of crippling over-specialization

[whole salmon]

I don’t think 8% is worth it putting Bismarck in

[whole salmon]

On offense no

Due to fixed position, the black hole would appear behind the enemy vanguard

Blame it on wonky pvp frontline placements

As it isn’t targeting, it is pepega

I’m surprised there even exist a Glorious comp on Little E. Who was it

It’s fine

I’m just interested since those types of comps are still new

Shal runs Nakhimov, Ari started testing Nakhimov, Ozdhaka and myself are running Glorious

Lexington still lacks them so I’m surprised Little E has them

[vale minnow]

lil enty needs good pvpers

enter stinky

[graceful veldt]

You just arent lucky meanwhile I have encountered a lot bruhh...

[vale minnow]

Yea I don’t run germ

[graceful veldt]

Peanut for one has the glory meta fleet

[vale minnow]

Amagi is DEAD

[gloomy sand]

nah u just sweaty af

[vale minnow]

[stable dawn]

you ain't dead until you R1 while being 5/10

[valid oxide]

They need to hurry up and archive seydlitz I wanna run glorious meta but don't have seyd

[long scarab]

so for someone without lion is there a decent replacement in all those comps in pins or just wait till rerun

[bright mauve]

Lion makes the comps youre refering to work, so youre better off using one of the weaker comps

[wary berry]

is fairy magic used on bb's instead of black shell purely for fp?

[stable dawn]

no, for EVA

and on soyuz specifically it can reduce damage to 1

[whole salmon]

Combination of HIT and EVA is always preferred

[wary berry]

i see

[valid oxide]

FP is a 0% damage increase if you don't hit the enemy or you die

[vale minnow]

discord getting smarter

[junior trench]

Good, I was about to tag a mod to get them to take it down.

[lusty hill]

[junior trench]

<@&472236072743600148>

[humble cairn]

/ban 622852959742459954

[chilly osprey]

rotipistol#0 got banned.

[junior trench]

Dang, unfortunate bro got hacked, he was on here since 2020

[lusty hill]

[vale minnow]

Aotn

[lusty hill]

Congrats

[jade heart]

CHEATER

[junior trench]

[knotty hazel]

someone go find this user server location and beat him up with gloM

[late heath]

think I haven't PvP in like 2 months

cause it's just fighting the same fleet over and over for months, and even though the meta is changing now, I found that I like my sleep more than sandbagging at 3 AM

[vale minnow]

yea man, havent seen you in a while
get good sleep

im able to keep up pvping cuz im on west cost, else, id just eep

[gloomy sand]

good time to bow out of the game

not worth playing anymore

[echo cave]

Admiral of the Navy for my first time ever

[gloomy sand]

Congratulations

[fickle echo]

Lexi player

[lusty hill]

Rushing strats

[whole salmon]

Somehow CN got a hold of Mecklenburg’s damage distribution testing but simulating with Sodak

So here’s what we have

And they are confused by the math of it all

[whole salmon]

Incase you don’t understand the math, the issue is that Mecklenburg doesn’t take into account the damage reduction of Seydlitz

The base damage is 944 (image 1) Seydlitz split it 60-40, then reduces her portion of the damage by 20% (image 2)

And in image 3, the math for Seydlitz’s still makes sense

But for Sodak, she didn’t take into account Seydlitz’s 20% damage reduction after the original split (2 x (226 + 189) = 830), she took the base damage instead (944)

[whole salmon]

Chances are this would be the same for Mecklenburg, so stacking damage redistribution doesn’t yield as much benefit

[valid oxide]

Wasn't seyd flag specifically worse in the meck seyd scenario anyway

[whole salmon]

It doesn’t matter

The issue is that Seydlitz’s damage reduction doesn’t stack with Mecklenburg’s damage transfer

So the entire scenario is scrapped due to spaghetti code

[valid oxide]

Oh so it's not as teatime killing as initially thought

So boring

[whole salmon]

• Image 1: 944 damage
• Image 2: 831 damage
• Image 3: 840 damage ( which should have been 789 damage if it worked properly)

This means that Seydlitz’s 20% damage reduction of 60% of total damage doesn’t carry over

[valid oxide]

Wait actually doesn't that change literally nothing unless seyd or another Kms BB is flag

[whole salmon]

It does change a lot

[valid oxide]

I'm confused, I may be a little slow

[whole salmon]

It means that Mecklenburg would always consider the initial total damage for the split

Regardless if any allies have any damage reduction or damage splitting skill

Always the initial damage

[valid oxide]

Oh

[whole salmon]

This means that although Seydlitz would take less damage

Mecklenburg would always take the full damage

Which does diminish her overall effective HP

[valid oxide]

Is the lion seyd meck dream dead then

[whole salmon]

It simply a shift of strategy

Mecklenburg isn’t as tanky as initially thought

And she doesn’t take into other ships’ damage reduction

So this means she should be placed at top position despite her high HP stat

[valid oxide]

That's a shame

[stable dawn]

I fucking called it

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

This is also the pros and cons with these types of comps

Benefit is that getting bursted down is less likely due to how much damage is funneled from each other

One major con is that instead of 1-2 ships in your backline getting crippled, you may end up with all 3 ships getting crippled

The other con is that damage funneling still doesn’t stop wide range damage, such as those of CVs or wide range BB barrages

If anything, it may even worsen the issue

[whole salmon]

Here’s an example

Let’s say you put Mecklenburg top position

Enemy Lion’s barrage burns your flagship and bottom position

Instead of top position being safe for majority of the first 16 sec of the fight, Mecklenburg now also take burn damage from the flagship as well due to damage redistribution

[stable dawn]

so there's no escape, Lion Seyd Cat is inevitable

[whole salmon]

Pros is that your flagship is burnt less, Cons is that now the top position is no longer safe

[whole salmon]

And if you put Mecklenburg at bottom position, she will burn 1.5x as quickly

As she takes both Lion’s full burn damage as well as 50% burn damage that the flagship takes

Sure you protect your flagship

But your Mecklenburg is sacrificed

Is it worth the cost? Who knows

[graceful veldt]

Oh boi rip for those who's hoping meck meta in pvp lol

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

[worldly ore]

In b4 the return of Juneau for Meck fleets

Seems like decent fit

[whole salmon]

Yeah Juneau could be decent

[trail temple]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-micheal-jackson-eating-popcorn-gif-5577709

[worldly ore]

Cooking

Helps that Meck saves the flagship from getting insta killed by torps, before Juneau can proc

[whole salmon]

I still think Meck has her usage

Just that it may take a while

Tho out of the roster of PR8, Meck is the only worth while one for pvp it seems

[junior moss]

for other uses too i think, i don't think the tulipa ship is that great after all

[junior trench]

I agree with Jimmy's thoughts in that PR8 doesn't feel like all that special of an event anymore. Most of the ships are fairly basic, and only 1 is actually having an effect on meta (PvE or PvP regardless).

[stable dawn]

0 effort because eos soon

[nimble fox]

Do you think they will raise the lv cap to lv 130?

It's been years

[valid oxide]

No

[gloomy sand]

oh yea

should do the same on alt

just in case (also + kms tech

[valid oxide]

Also another ship for me to farm meck with

[vale minnow]

istg it can be anyone other than mr breast

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/mrbeast-mr-beast-rap-battle-mr-beast-introduction-gif-25612407

[lusty hill]

mr breast in pvp

[whole salmon]

Out of Lexi’s top 100, 4 runs CV comp

Warspite Soyuz Lion - 1
Musashi Alsace Lion - 4
Seydlitz Lion Warspite - 2
Seydlitz Lion Musashi - 2
Royal Oak Lion Warspite - 7
Musashi Lion Bismarck - 1
Musashi Soyuz Lion - 1
Alsace Lion Soyuz - 2
Musashi Lion Warspite - 3
Musashi Lion NJ - 1

Akagi Amagi Lion - 1 (with Naganami holy cook)

[trail temple]

Is your fleet tech low, Pink?

[stable dawn]

oh yeah we should probably update the sheet to have the new CV comps now

[whole salmon]

Yep

I dunno if 33k is indication of how much fleet tech I have but yeah it is low

[trail temple]

I wouldn't say that's super low. It's just that in Avrora we're sitting a bit higher in FP for our fleets. So I was wondering if it's gearing, your fleet tech or a bit of both

[whole salmon]

Gear wise mine is all +13, so it is likely fleet teach or oaths

[nimble fox]

Hopefully next collab will have some good gimmick gear

[gloomy sand]

huh i actually have less fleet tech

[gloomy sand]

also what gears are you guys actually running that lowers down fleet power numbers

[whole salmon]

Don’t need to switch gear between my ships when all of them are +13

Just incase, I still have Musashi geared as well

[gloomy sand]

[stable dawn]

it's a swap meta now???

[light crystal]

Not that good for PvP, but the "best" out of the bucn for it right?

[stable dawn]

[vale minnow]

yea

dead game

[jade heart]

Pvp is never dead.

[junior trench]

Owari Da

[jade heart]

The real pvp mode was the freinds we made along the way

[whole salmon]

Cube

cube research

The blue face isn’t as efficient as cube

Gold face maybe

Every once in a while

[junior trench]

Depends on how many cubes they have though

[knotty hazel]

I will find ur username in pvp

lez spar

[jade heart]

Im on LE

[knotty hazel]

shit

I'm not

[jade heart]

[jade heart]

Its okay my top tier pvp fleet is to much for most

[knotty hazel]

hmm fair...
only if there's exceptions...

[worldly ore]

Need some more of these for the PvP girl

[wary berry]

What team comp are you thinking currently for menck? lion menck sey?

[worldly ore]

Lion/X/Meck, haven't decided on a flagship yet

Sey apparently doesn't work well with Meck

Thinking I'll try out FDG and see if the Meck reload boost is worth it or not

Or if not, maybe Musashi back as flag

Meck is just good since she stops flagship from being insta killed by torp memes

[gloomy sand]

[valid oxide]

Seyd still works well with meck just not as well as initially thought

It's not like we have a better option for pairing with her anyway

[worldly ore]

Well, Meck's skill works with any flagship regardless if KMS or not

So there's room to experiment

KMS is only for the reload boost which isn't as necessary as the flagship protection

[valid oxide]

Meck is still prone to dying so it's not like seyd will be useless anyway

Meck top position seyd bottom then whoever flag, but currently whoever is literally just lion

[worldly ore]

Yeah Meck likes top spot, other ships are more in the air where they go

Lion is just the mandatory ship though

Tick damage do be good

[finite yoke]

Question, is it official that Lion is top PVP material? I've gone up against several fleets with Lion, and about 60% of the time I prevail. However, that 40% usually completely overpowers my team.

[vale minnow]

yea

lion flame is good

[finite yoke]

So then, who to replace?

[worldly ore]

Up to personal choice

Most people are replacing Musashi though

[finite yoke]

Yeah, I was kinda thinking along similar lines. What's the best PVP gear for her then? And should she be the Flag or off flag?

[worldly ore]

I like her off flag bottom with beaver badge since she has good evasion

[nimble fox]

Musashi ofc, Soyuz is versatile

also, waiting for decent gimmicky collab gear

[gloomy sand]

depends on the fleet and your preferred playstyle, one bote (musashi/soyuz for lion) or up to the entire backline (refer to sheet for possible combos)

[trail temple]

Yes Lion is probably the most busted pvp ship.

It appears you might have good equips so, combined with attacker bonus, you could probably deal with shitty fleets (e.g. poor equips, poor comps, etc.).

There's only one server that you can't get away with using a bad attack fleet

[steel coral]

jintm will always have the insane potential to nuke everything but lion is just too consistently good

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-lion-metro-goldwyn-mayer-mgm-gif-6802401886019586825

[jade heart]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-lion-metro-goldwyn-mayer-mgm-gif-6802401886019586825

[lusty hill]

https://media.tenor.com/Xmb8eYOlCwkAAAPo/azur-lane-lion.mp4

[vale minnow]

noob city

[sand linden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1242464950178418719/1385644363488432128/C41EDF8D49081718AC6917D004881A6C.gif

im quite suprised that in en server this main fleet isnt the most toxic comp in defense
in cn server seydlitz must be in mid, glorM bottom and lion top, with the vanguard comp of torpmemes

[sand linden]

according to cn server study, no offense comp could get winrate 80%+ against this comp and it become a mainstream in pvp

[stable dawn]

sheet is awaiting a big update

that was written like 3 weeks ago

[steel coral]

[hybrid agate]

[whole salmon]

The def fleet of it requires Shimakaze to have such high volatility to disrupt win rate

And that requires Manjuu on Eldridge and Pearl on Shima

This means gear switching is required for Laffey

The fact that gear switching is a factor would discourage 99% of players from doing it

[vale minnow]

just pearl on laffey, manjuu on shima and towel for seyd ♿ 🔥

[whole salmon]

It is the same reason why Richelieu Alsace Soyuz Shima defense comp never caught on

Since no one would bother to gear switch to it

[sand linden]

I met them several times in tw server💀

There are players feel happy when they heard their defense locked down sbd💀

[sand linden]

Sometimes just wanna try and got oath diffed