pvp

[supple halo]

And just a measly 11 points

[trail temple]

Gear is probably a factor as well

[supple halo]

Likely, I am so resistant to actually using what is theoretically "best"

but i have URs and prowler and such

[flint sun]

Where am I

Oh my bad

[whole salmon]

Use Mogador gun on Laffey if possible

I forgot to switch back

I haven’t thought that far yet

If you have Mogador gun on Laffey then ig run the Rainbow IJN HE DD gun on Z52

If not then Mogador gun on Z52 and barrage gun on Laffey

[sturdy lantern]

Thanks, though iirc mine already uses it, will check later.

[sturdy lantern]

Used it around 10 times - so far so good, certainly feels much better than Laffey manjuu standoffs I was having with mirror teatimes. Thank you kindly again

[junior trench]

I can't believe we finally got CVs back in PvP in the form of Admiral Nekomeow

[stable dawn]

wouldn't percy warkai counter this completely

[hybrid agate]

[distant gulch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1012288696336273428/1350850326445424661/1E7913BB18A867D201E9883D0F656E78_0.gif?=

[valid oxide]

You would need to oneshot her with warkai otherwise she would disappear once she hits the 40% hp threshold I could see Aquila maybe working since she has a later airstrike to re-reveal her

[stable dawn]

what

[valid oxide]

Nakhimov resets her conceal when she hits 40% hp

[stable dawn]

no you just snipe lion bottom with warkai and use percy to make aure she gets splashed by barrages

since their main dps source is lion

percy is just to flex on people because she's cute

[valid oxide]

So we just go back to spoot swapping like the old days (like when I used warkai despite her being very not meta because I was a newer player who wanted PvP )

[stable dawn]

as god intended

[whole salmon]

It would but then you would be running a Percy

Switching out Royal Oak? Enemy still have Seydlitz

I do like the Percy idea tho but not with Warspite

There’s a lot of ships that can be used with Seydlitz Lion

You can run standard Musashi, sweep with Nakhimov or even experiment with Glorious Meta

There’s also Deadmaster

I still need to test out Dead Master + Nakhimov

[whole salmon]

It would work on Nakhimov yes assuming Percy is still alive by then, which she is unlikely to be

But that wouldn’t work on Glorious Meta

If you use preload to spot Glorious Meta, she might already reach 30 stacks immediately

Which means she reconceal before Warspite even has a chance to fire the first Divine Marksman

[gloomy sand]

[valid oxide]

Do I need to start raising PvP relevant CVs again. I thought this ended with hiryuu

[stable dawn]

shanako and kuroko are CVs so yeah, you definitely should

[junior trench]

Once again, Sandy is queen

[brazen socket]

laffii and eldridge both have high aa's respectively

soo

[junior trench]

Doesn’t matter

[gloomy sand]

You should've leveled up those ships anyways smh

[valid oxide]

My nakhimov is like dev 18 so she isn't very levelled, glorious meta is on my list though for juicy rld tech

[gloomy sand]

🐌

[valid oxide]

[stable dawn]

isn't PR8 in like a month

[gloomy sand]

less than a month, even

[whole salmon]

If you want to test something, try Glorious meta bottom position

The Lion’s burn will get her to proc her stacks faster

May work on offense but I haven’t tested

[whole salmon]

There’s also something interesting about Glorious Meta that you should know about

The defensive team deals 20% less damage due to what we call “attacker’s advantage”

However, Lion’s burn damage bypasses this

What also bypasses this is Glorious’ damage reflection

Since Glorious’ damage reflection is calculated on the attacker’s damage instead, not defender’s. Therefore it won’t be hit by the 20% damage reduction debuff that defenders get

Just found that worth noting

(At this rate, by the end of this year, we might have a fleet that ignores attacker’s advantage entirely)

[whole salmon]

Because of this damage reflection, there’s also a cheap trick you could do

You place Jintsuu Meta first and Eldridge middle

This means your Eldridge’s Rainbow is unlikely to proc right from the beginning

You would then try to get your Jintsuu Meta to face tank the enemy’s torps

That would proc Jintsuu’s invul, meaning she doesn’t die

However, if you have Glorious Meta, she would reflect all of the damage that Jintsuu just taken back to the enemy

Potentially insta killing the enemy Eldridge at the beginning of the round

It is a gamble since enemy Eldridge can still proc Rainbow before your Jintsuu takes damage

[knotty hazel]

[valid oxide]

Glorious meta is starting to sound alot scarier

[knotty hazel]

glorious meta be meta

[worldly ore]

Doesn't glorious meta only reflect back 5% of the damage tick from burns though

Doesn't seem like a good trade off if you're taking 500 burn damage but you only reflecting 25 damage, even if the reflection damage stacks a bit

Plus, you're probably reflecting into an invul Eldridge vanguard anyway, since the vanguard would always be the nearest enemy. Ten seconds of no reflection damage at all

[whole salmon]

Doesn’t matter for this part since your frontline is also invul so yours aren’t taking any damage either

Once both sides invul are off, with Glorious Meta, you will win the frontline fight easier

Laffey’s damage are capped to % of HP, so the damage reflection will cause their Laffey to die faster than yours

And let’s not forget other stuff Glorious Meta can do

She can heal your entire frontline and herself

She can reconceal so burn won’t spot her like other CV

She can also redirect Warspite’s aim to Seydlitz as she is a concealed CV

Oh and with double Wyvern, she can also nuke backline

Because unlike other CVs, Glorious Meta sends out 2 airstrikes when she fires, not 1

Her only disadvantage is that once she is spotted, she is stupidly paper

But that’s the risk you get when you play CVs in pvp

[whole salmon]

Not forget the damage reflection works on every ship in the frontline, so if your Jintsuu takes damage or your Eldridge takes damage during the frontline duel, you will reflect that

Slap in Mogador gun on Laffey and 3 French torps for frontline, add Seydlitz to that and combo off with Lion

And you would likely win the frontline fight every time

When so many fights these days end in Laffey standoffs, these are steps we have to take

[whole salmon]

And even if you don’t want to use it on offense than that’s fine since there’s no gear conflict

If you don’t believe then I’ll just show you

Keep in mind that my Glorious Meta is only level 122 with 88 affinity

And this is the worst possible matchup with Musashi bottom position to hit Glorious through concealment

And I also put Glorious bottom so she can get burnt by Lion instead of top

And this is opponent’s fleet

[worldly ore]

Oh yeah, now that I think about it, gloroius meta could be a great counter to laffey 2
Especially when the laffey is the last enemy vanguard alive, just lots of infinite separate tick damage that's too low for Laffey's damage reduction skill to kick in
Death by a thousand cuts lol

[whole salmon]

Yeah it is just small tic but if it ends with Laffey vs Laffey then yours would be left standing

I don’t think this is a fullproof idea either

It has a lot of holes

Just like how enemy Eldridge can be bursted down, so can your Eldridge

Glorious Meta also can be countered by Musashi or just getting torped or burnt or whatever

But it is worth it of an experiment

[worldly ore]

I'm just happy it seems like CV's might come back into the meta

Maybe it'll get admiral nakhimov and glorious meta and dead master on the PvP sheet, since those seem to be CV's most people are cooking with right now

I'll try out some other ones too for viability

[whole salmon]

I don’t think the meta is set in stone yet

It is still relatively volatile

One thing is certain tho and that is Lion is used in all of them

Lion Seydlitz is stupidly strong but the question is still that 3rd position

For this current state, I still prefer the last spot to be Nakhimov

[whole salmon]

https://streamable.com/sta7xi

There’s also one that I like to showcase

That is how Glorious Meta can be used to counter Shimakaze Jintsuu Meta

We all know Shima comps can burst down your frontline if you aren’t careful

But now so can you burst them down

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t still a gamble tho

If enemy Eldridge proc then it is still tough luck

[whole salmon]

Out of the showcases here, half of them worked, either killing Eldridge or enemy frontline is at a severe HP disadvantage

The other half doesn’t work since their Eldridge proc first and your frontline didn’t reflect anything

In other words…

[brazen socket]

Do you guys even do 5 minute before reset strat in this volatile of a meta

I sometimes gotta reset so much I just do a lot of my attempts early in the fear I might get stalled

[whole salmon]

I play it safe now, the fight duration may be long due to possible Laffey duels even if you do end up winning

[brazen socket]

laffey duels have me on my seat its really annoying

it feels like reliving the bare bone meta of 2018 before events started rolling out and you just have enterprises duking it out

[deft escarp]

Can this be mitigated with like VH armor plate or something?

[whole salmon]

Another thing to mind is this

You see how in the second fight

When Glorious Meta got torped and killed by Musashi

The red zone still remains at frontline’s feet

That means damage reflection is still up even after your Glorious Meta dies

[whole salmon]

Win condition for this is simple, keep Glorious Meta alive for long enough to launch her airstrike

Afterwards, you would win the frontline fight / Laffey duel

And go onto sweep the remaining backline

[brazen socket]

[whole salmon]

As long as damage reflection is up

You would win Laffey duel

[jade heart]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-3937562841362806777

[whole salmon]

So even if Glorious Meta is killed after launching her airstrikes

You would still win the frontline regardless

In other words, gambling

[whole salmon]

Glorious Meta be like

Those are probably enough planes lmao

[lusty hill]

God give the jackpot to his strongest gambler

[stable dawn]

[knotty hazel]

aaa torp jumpscare

[gloomy sand]

welcome back Meeb

uh

MSN

its weird

[shell raft]

[versed geyser]

S3 proc + S2 double proc lmao

[trail temple]

Shhhhh, it's okay; it's only weird at first

[whole salmon]

Sasuga damage reflection

[steel coral]

add kawakaze meta for max anti-vanguard

[whole salmon]

https://youtu.be/4HGNMwLvytc?si=ALpFDQDXnyp4EIaK

Look at that CV sweep

[worldly ore]

Glorious meta better than admiral nakhimov?

[whole salmon]

Nah

I still like using Nakhimov more

[lusty hill]

Nakhimov is hotter

But glorious meta has better outfit

[gloomy sand]

honse game good?

[whole salmon]

https://youtu.be/ykl1eAXki6I?si=ctkiwxZr4L9UESqD

Here’s more Glorious Meta propaganda

Another thing of note

Glorious Meta can sometimes save your ships from getting dying cus she can also heal

I thought the heal was minor but it came in clutch quite a few times

Glorious Meta’s damage is also stupidly high due to the fact she has double launching

And 8 +13 Wyverns flying at the enemy means ez backline wipe

How to counter her then I thought of 2 methods

[whole salmon]

Firstly is just to use another CV like Nakhimov

Secondly is to use Musashi to attack whatever place Glorious Meta is stationed at. This works for other CVs as well

And final method as proposed by Borgar the other day, using Lion Warspite Perseus

Surprisingly Perseus heal may actually be able to stabilize your frontline from french torp bursts, burns and damage reflection

[stable dawn]

wtf I was trolling

[junior trench]

Why Perseus over Unicorn?

[distant gulch]

perseus two preload

unicorn one

and maths say 2 is greater than 1

thus perseus>unicorn

[stable dawn]

the issue is percy has terrible plane efficiency and an airstrike cooldown increase, so she's basically doing 1.5 airstrikes at the start of the battle then falls asleep and waits for death

@whole salmon also, how would a mirror match of Glorious METAs work? Would they just duplicate reflected damage infinitely?

[whole salmon]

Absolutely terrible

It can go as low as only 60% wr

[stable dawn]

ah so we're back to late 2023

[whole salmon]

This is due to damage reflection’s mechanic

Think of it like this

If you deal 100 damage, enemy would reflect 5% of 100

But the enemy would only deal 80 damage due to attacker’s advantage

However, this means you only reflect 5% of 80

In other words, attacker’s advantage is irrelevant

[stable dawn]

so you're saying they've made a ship that is worse as an attacker

[whole salmon]

Glorious Meta is a stabilizer

[stable dawn]

where have I seen this before?

[whole salmon]

Same goes for Lion

Both Lion’s burn and Glorious Meta’s damage reflection essentially ignores attacker’s advantage

In which case the only way you can beat your enemy is by either out-gearing them or luck

That’s why I said these types of meta is dangerous

Back then, attacker always have 80%-90% win rate in exact mirror matches due to attacker’s advantage

[stable dawn]

well in that case it loops back around to a normal DPS meta

kill them before they kill you

[whole salmon]

However with these style of comps basically ignoring that, you essentially have a coin toss

[stable dawn]

[junior trench]

I just realized I've played Azur Lane for a week longer than Pink (or at least been in the Discord a week longer).

[stable dawn]

how are you not cmdr level 160 by now

[jade heart]

Borger

[junior trench]

Because I took plenty of breaks from the game over the years.

[jade heart]

Is Gloria's meta is pvp viable then from what I see

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

@stable dawn You’ll see how terrible it is

If the link doesn’t work then I’ll send another one

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1NKKazcEr3?spm_id_from=333.1387.list.card_archive.click&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR5fSPsbUJgKyHgnsp-SUZ4FfAuddY5ZppDwwNb-9G29WQiypfypet2h0mAOKg_aem_5vd1iqeUPDwfokgYqU9i0Q&p=1

[stable dawn]

we're back to 2023 now

with bis2 black hole being better on defense

[whole salmon]

If you somehow have like

6 rainbow planes at +13

5 of which being torp bombers like me

You can run Nakhimov on offense and Glorious Meta on defense

And be absolute cancer

[valid oxide]

[stable dawn]

still cheaper than 2022 weeb fleet tbh

let alone foxwall

I think foxwall was like 7 UR planes required just to make it work properly

[whole salmon]

Also when running CV, there’s 2 things to lookout for

For Nakhimov, always put her at top position

For Glorious Meta, if bottom ship is Warspite or Lion, put her bottom. With low backline pressure then you can let her take the burn to get stacks faster

However, if bottom ship is Musashi, put her top

Glorious Meta needs to avoid Musashi at all costs

Unlike Nakhimov, Glorious Meta is extremely paper and will die to Musashi’s barrage even if she is concealed

[stable dawn]

she dies to a bad sneeze

[whole salmon]

Another thing of note

If you don’t have 2 +13 Wyvern or +13 Spearfish, chances are you are better off with Musashi

If your CV launches their airstrike and their Musashi or Lion are still alive with higher than 60% HP then you are cooked

The point of a CV sweep is that you basically win as long as your CV fires and your frontline is alive

But if after your CV fires and the enemy’s backline isn’t fully crippled then…tough luck lmao

[whole salmon]

I attempted to see how Nakhimov works with Suisei 12A instead of a 2nd Spearfish to cut down on reload time and oh boy did the win rate drop

Once Nakhimov can’t fully sweep the enemy Musashi or Lion then it becomes a lot more risky

Think of it is a soft dps check

[stable dawn]

use 2CV with frontier medal ez

actually do you even need lion
why not just run a third CV

anyway reflect will carry the team

[junior trench]

We need a UR HMS CV, then maybe

Well, I mean another one

Implacable was made for different kinds of content

Maybe if we get Malta from PR8

[stable dawn]

USS montana

who needs CVs anyway

[gloomy sand]

CV's nuts

[junior trench]

Nah, USS Ohio, so we can delete Laffey with secondaries

[stable dawn]

I don't want to go to Ohio

[junior trench]

Too bad, taste the rainbow

[versed geyser]

It’s 8% of her HP, so equivalent of about a 20% heal for the vanguard

[steel coral]

[stable dawn]

[jade heart]

no way that works

Akagi???

[vale minnow]

akagi good

[junior trench]

Tfw I don’t have Akagi’s unique item

[valid oxide]

dont need it, akagi is truly amazing without it

didnt you know that nakaga is still meta

trust me

[junior trench]

Doesn’t everyone remember, WaSDE beats Nakaga

[valid oxide]

no i dont remember because im not that old 👴

[junior trench]

Tbh, it’s been so long, I actually can’t remember who beat who anyway

[whole salmon]

Surprisingly, this comp may actually cook Triple HMS

Cus I mean, Warspite’s auto targeting would screw over everyone

Having 3 BBs firing AP shells against DDs isn’t going to do anything

Tho I still think you need Lion

I don’t think you can win frontline fight consistently with Glorious Meta alone

[junior trench]

Warspite will delete Lion though

[whole salmon]

Yep but that’s no issue

Put Hood gun on Lion and she outspeeds them

She only needs to get her first launch off and it’s all good

Once the frontline fight is won, the CVs will handle the rest

Lion is just there so you would win the frontline fight. That’s it

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/hO2LZwYNPoA

@whole salmon I had an idea, use Alsace+Lion to kill your vanguard at the start and if it fails I had Soyuz with 457 so she would fire when the Eldridge's skill is already on cooldown

[whole salmon]

Interesting, by increasing overall damage output and sacrificing survivability

[fickle echo]

Works most of the time unless I lose the Eld rng

[whole salmon]

Soyuz definitely works yes

Triple HMS has too little frontline pressure so it would fail

[fickle echo]

Sometimes Soyuz decides to target the main fleet when there are 3 vanguards alive

[whole salmon]

So you increased frontline pressure

Yeah this idea is viable

[whole salmon]

Since if Glorious Meta is going to wipe everyone anyways, I guess that does diminish the viability of tank backlines

[whole salmon]

One thing I had issue with is Glorious Meta’s survivability

If she dies early then it is pretty much a loss since the other 2 ships have no damage

So perhaps there is a way to exploit that

[steel coral]

perseus

[whole salmon]

Unicorn might be better

After the initial launch, Glorious Meta would reset concealment

The second launch is then way too slow to spot Glorious Meta again

[versed geyser]

Seems that Soyuz has a fair number of Glorious Meta kills

Might lead to rock scissor paper of frontline vs backline damage

[stable dawn]

man I sure do enjoy pvp

[gloomy sand]

hard wall if i didn't put musashi top

[brazen socket]

What comp did you run?

Should I even attempt to use glorious meta for defense if I don't have +13 wyverns lol

[gloomy sand]

lemon party + torpmemes

[whole salmon]

Heh so even JP runs it now

Propaganda is spreading

Nakhimov is more stable for offense so run her instead

Nakhimov with higher HP and the fact you can run Fairy on her pretty much reduces the chance of her getting torped

[brazen socket]

Is it advisable to run her without +13 planes

[whole salmon]

No

[brazen socket]

Man

[whole salmon]

You need to be able to cripple the entire backline in 1 airstrike or you are cooked

[brazen socket]

All this opsi skipping biting me in the ass

Kek

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-22669238

[whole salmon]

Glorious Meta’s damage is way higher than I expected

But she launched like 16 planes

[gloomy sand]

@light crystal My fleet beat yours, it was weak

washy just ez server ngl

[whole salmon]

Hmm, I might try something new

Let me see if this is collab item or not

I might have this

There we go

Extra gambling

The other is this

Both of which increases RLD stat, which means Glorious Meta can fire faster

It likely doesn’t decrease the airstrike load time as much as 4% of Beacon but it provides HP for increased survivability

[whole salmon]

Use this if your Glorious Meta has survivability issues instead of Beacon

[whole salmon]

Use this if you want to extra gamble

33% chance to have the buff applied to the whole team

Since you are running 1 HMS, 1 KMS, 2 META and 2 USS, it will provide 4% team wide buff

[valid oxide]

Hp also scales her healing

[whole salmon]

Yeah that too

Since her heal is based off of her HP

Either of them works honestly. The red one is more reliable but provides less buff. The blue one provides more buff but only has 33% chance to be the one that you want

[valid oxide]

How can you even tell what you gambled with RPG interface again

[whole salmon]

No clue

You could also replace oil instead of beacon

But I haven’t tested that yet

[valid oxide]

Wouldn't replacing oil reduce her backline damage

[whole salmon]

We have oil because it reduces the time the planes have under AA and increases overall end screen damage correct

But with this comp, wouldn’t the frontline be clapped already

Hmm, replacing Beacon still feels like a safer choice overall

And instead of Hornet then you can run Pirate

[valid oxide]

Couldn't you run both of them if you had interface on Eldridge

[whole salmon]

That’s a decent idea

I’ll run both

[gloomy sand]

where's the prowler gone

[whole salmon]

No clue

It is still good tho don’t get me wrong

I still prefer it on Eldridge

But this allows for more gambling

[stable dawn]

gamble meta?

[ornate cosmos]

Question im seeing glorious meta being used...does cv fleet on pvp is becoming a meta

[unkempt vortex]

she is more of a coinflip, and is supposed to be avoided to where the enemy won't one shot her easily like a Musashi

but the torp party on her was really nice

[whole salmon]

Glorious Meta and Nakhimov have 2 things in common, which is that they can clear concealment and has stupidly high damage against backline

The issues so far with CVs is simply that if you lose the frontline fight, you are cooked. A Laffey can solo your CV

But Glorious Meta’s damage reflection and heal allows you to consistently win the frontline fight, thus mitigating a key weakness

Therefore, if everything goes well, Glorious Meta won’t be spotted for the entire duration of the fight (concealment clearing means burn can’t spot and not losing frontline means no spotting there either)

[whole salmon]

Of which her main weaknesses are ships that simply ignores concealment

[whole salmon]

From which Ari demonstrated here, being Musashi and Soyuz

Their barrages ignores concealment and can kill Glorious Meta before she launches since she is paper

[whole salmon]

Back then I tried the strategy to launch as fast as possible using Beacon, so if she does die then she can get a proc off. But I swapped to these HP items as they give reload stat

The state of pvp is still volatile, I still think another comp could come around to counter this one

What is for certain tho is that Glorious Meta hard counters Triple HMS and is hard countered by Musashi

[gloomy sand]

rock paper scissors?

[whole salmon]

In a way yes

Triple HMS still have advantage against BB comps due to her simply sniping the Soyuz or Musashi dead

CV comp still hard counter Triple HMS as CV can win frontline fight and 1 turn clear backline

And UR BB comps counter CV comps as Musashi and Soyuz bypasses CV concealment

[knotty hazel]

book named gloM pvp rock paper scissor tuto:

[ornate cosmos]

Thamk you for the detailed explanation..well said big help

[whole salmon]

It has been a really long while since fleets are this volatile

There’s multiple backline comps with most of them being viable of some kind

So be extra careful when facing strong opponents

[junior trench]

It's dangerous to go alone, take this: 🦁

[distant gulch]

doro fears no lion

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1313806926454194197.webp?size=56

[jade heart]

[stable dawn]

[stable dawn]

so the solution is to be lazy and just use cat comp instead of glorious rng right

[junior trench]

Doro, more like deado kiddo

Time to drop a house on Dorothy

See how she likes it

[whole salmon]

My fleet has always been a bit unconventional, it is a playstyle I wouldn’t normally recommend to anyone

I would run a semi niche comp that beats the common def fleet

And against fleets that would counter mine, I would just beat them by simply out-gearing them

And since no one on Lexington is actually crazy enough to run Glorious Meta aside from me currently, it seems like a decent strategy

Quite a few players on Lexi have swapped to Nakhimov also for this reason

If the spreadsheet says Triple HMS is best, everyone would flood to use it, which they did. In which case Nakhimov comp would wipe the floor with them

[stable dawn]

guess MSN's back on the menu

[whole salmon]

Like last meta I used Seydlitz instead of Alsace for a time

Practically no one else used Seydlitz on Lexington

This time it is the same

[stable dawn]

do people just not like seyd

[whole salmon]

Idk what’s wrong with Seyd

[junior trench]

I don't have Soyuz or Alsace anyway, so it's like only being able to use rock or paper in a game of RPS.

[whole salmon]

People just don’t like using her for some weird af reason

[stable dawn]

her casual skin is pretty cute

[whole salmon]

Like even if the spreadsheet has both Triple HMS and Seydlitz comp

I run into Triple HMS way more often

Why tf would you raise a Royal Oak before a Seydlitz

[junior trench]

Both is good

[whole salmon]

Ig Warspite getting Aug did play into the propaganda

[stable dawn]

I guess people are still addicted to faction fleets

[whole salmon]

Actually you know what would be the craziest outcome is

That there is an item to switch factions

[stable dawn]

lmaooooo

[whole salmon]

You know, switch Glorious Meta to HMS

[stable dawn]

HMS Musashi

[junior trench]

We do have those for Collab ships

[whole salmon]

Run her with Royal Oak and Lion

Would be absolute cancer

But unfortunately, Meta is a separate faction

Otherwise Glorious Meta with Royal Oak might actually be something ridiculous

[junior trench]

Tbf, I think Royal Oak still makes sense. When both your other backline are squishy HMS BBs, and you have a ship that specifically is really good at tanking for squishy HMS backlines, then it sort of is a no brianer.

[whole salmon]

Wait

[junior trench]

It's just obviously the only situation she sees use

[whole salmon]

Does Implacable have concealment wipe

She doesn’t right

[junior trench]

Let me check

[whole salmon]

Huh, she does

Sort of

[junior trench]

No

[whole salmon]

Have anyone tried Royal Oak Implacable Lion

[junior trench]

Which skill?

Oh Implac

I didn't realize you misspoke

[whole salmon]

Hmm, Implacable huh

She’s UR so I think she can wipe like Nakhimov

Very interesting

Still not worth it tho

[whole salmon]

This still lacks frontline pressure

You could maybe say the time stop could work but ehh

[stable dawn]

doesn't impy have a freeze though

just stack rockets

wipe vg

[junior trench]

Implac has a very nice freeze

Fighter Slot, TB slot, and a flex slot

So you could run double TBs

Or something else.

I don't even know what she would run since I don't think anyone has even used her in PvP before honestly

[whole salmon]

Hmm let’s check on Quyet

Has been a long time

Oh he’s using Seyd, knows proper gear as well

Huh, seems good

[whole salmon]

There has been a few anti Laffey attempts with her but none yielded proper results

It was to exploit how the fact rockets count as multiple individual hits rather than bursts so you could kill Laffey with it

Reliability of those rockets are still a concern

[junior trench]

Which loadout would she run though?

[whole salmon]

Rockets

As many rockets as humanly possible

[junior trench]

So double fighter?

Or are you referring to DBs?

[whole salmon]

Quite literally, all of them

If it can be rockets, it shall be rockets

Last time we didn’t have the Nakhimov plane

So I wonder if the results would change

Still doubtful tho

[valid oxide]

I don't have seydlitz so I raised oak

[junior trench]

Sure, but would it be preferred to use rocket fighters or rocket DBs?

[valid oxide]

Skyraider has more damage but fighters alot faster

[grim solar]

[trail temple]

Old man tells at cloud, I see

[stable dawn]

[ornate cosmos]

Does shinano glor M and implac can be a good mix to use on pvp

[trail temple]

Nano needs 3 IJN for her buff, Implac is not good in PvP

[gloomy sand]

meh. Not viable for current pvp.

[jade heart]

This is about good case with nano

Not that good

[junior trench]

Unfortunately none of the IJN Carriers at the moment do anything for PvP, which is what we'd need for Nano to be considered again

[worldly ore]

Hiryuu is kinda okay

[junior trench]

In PvP? I'd disagree

[lusty hill]

Hiryuu is the best CV in pvp

[junior trench]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[lusty hill]

Name one CV that is better than hiryuu in pvp I'll wait

[jade heart]

Amagi

[distant gulch]

Dead Master

[junior moss]

enterprise kai

[mellow summit]

Ark Royal

[junior trench]

Aquila arguably

Though that one might be a little closer

[mellow summit]

How can we all forget...Unicorn?

[finite fog]

Serenity knows all about the aquila conspiracy

[jade heart]

Im surprised serenity knows anything

[lusty hill]

You guys are lost

[brazen socket]

Me

[valid oxide]

My CV

And it barely even has my name

[knotty hazel]

long island

[late heath]

USS Kashino

[lusty hill]

Nothing good will come by being ironic

None of you answered my question correctly

[junior moss]

janus C.V.

[lusty hill]

Correct answer

[nimble fox]

Does Raffaello have any place in pvp?

I ran into quite a few raffaello line up this season already

[stable dawn]

they probably just use her because she's green

[nimble fox]

Green?

ah, the chart

[stable dawn]

no, green hair

confused for nakhimov

[nimble fox]

Raffaello is so ass in pvp, she died even faster than Alsus

[stable dawn]

she is great

at losing

[whole salmon]

There’s some weird cook to counter Nakhimov and Glorious Meta but I hesitate to even comment on that method

Which is to use a Fate 4 FDG

[stable dawn]

wtf

[whole salmon]

This is old tech but it can be used again

[nimble fox]

Huh?

[whole salmon]

Fate 5 FDG has targeting so it can’t hit unconcealed CVs

[nimble fox]

Lion-Soyuz-Alsus wipe all floor, wdym

[whole salmon]

But Fate 4 FDG have fixed position barrage

So it can hit concealed CVs

[stable dawn]

that is hyper scuffed

[whole salmon]

Yes, it is the same as Ancho level 1 skill back in the day

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

It is the reason why the old Richelieu FDG worked to counter CVs to begin with

Nowadays people don’t remember it since FDG hasn’t been used in forever

[junior trench]

Nah, trust, she’ll become meta once RN Donatello and Michelangelo come out

[whole salmon]

But now that Nakhimov comps and Glorious Meta comps are being brought up, I found it relevant to mention it here

[stable dawn]

that and since she can be coined, everyone and their mom now has FS5 FdG

or have her fully locked

there is no in between

[whole salmon]

It’s interesting how some old creative tech can still be used

I think fate 4 FDG has a 93%+ wr against modern CV comps because of that

[stable dawn]

eos will happen first

[whole salmon]

Chances of you running into one tho is nonexistent

[stable dawn]

[stable dawn]

rarer than seeing WASDE defense in 2025

[whole salmon]

That comp is indeed strong but it seems you are severely underestimating the power of a Nakhimov comp

Or of Glorious Meta comps

[whole salmon]

There are some other ideas but nothing too major

The Fate 4 FDG against Glorious Meta comp isn’t even being done by CN

But instead by Taiwan server

Perhaps it is time to broaden the horizon a bit

[stable dawn]

I forgot there was a TW server

[whole salmon]

Usually I ignore TW and KR servers due to them being behind

But sometimes they do bring up interesting concepts

[stable dawn]

@keen silo chat is this true???

[whole salmon]

How long has brah been gone

Haven’t seen him in a long while

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

Oh and remember I brought up the RPG Adventure thing

It works when it is CV comp vs 3 BBs

However when it is CV vs CV comp, there’s some minor hiccups

One of the proc chance is that they would send a plane barrage

This is an issue because Wyverns would respond to incoming planes

So if you use Wyverns on your Nakhimov, it would respond to that barrage, which then triggers the enemy’s fighters and wyverns to respond to yours

This it may spot you early due to crash damage

[whole salmon]

I ran into this while doing some tests against Shal

I was using Glorious M while he was using Nakhimov

[whole salmon]

This is one of the reasons why Spearfish may be better than Wyverns

[stable dawn]

wouldn't it just whiff on a laff2 drone though

[whole salmon]

Spearfish still sends torps

But the most important part is that it doesn’t intercept

Although in pve, it is a good thing

In pvp, it could lead to your CV spotting itself

[whole salmon]

• RPG Adventure 33% chance: sends plane barrage

• Shal’s Nakhimov responds with Fighter and Wyvern

• My Glorious Meta responds with Fighter and Wyvern

Nakhimov doesn’t concealment wipe until it reaches 40% HP

While my Glorious Meta wiped concealment at 30 stacks

My CV wasn’t spotted, his Nakhimov was. And that decided the fight

[stable dawn]

in that case wouldn't it also be better to use a non intercept rocket fighter too

[whole salmon]

Nothing against Wyverns specifically, we still used it a ton back then

Just that it is something to look out for

Since if the RPG adventure didn’t proc, Nakhimov would still be concealed as usual

And ofc you wouldn’t run into this issue against 3 BB comps either

[stable dawn]

this is so niche because people already use pearl + cyanide/bouquet instead of rng interface

on eldy

[whole salmon]

Yeah but it is just something I found interesting

Since we may revisit this tech in the future

It is still super niche tho

Since you are still banking on a 33% chance

[stable dawn]

more likely we'll get another barrage BB that invalidates all concealment like old riche burn

[whole salmon]

Until they release a rainbow torp on JP anniv that is like Tea torp but also magnetic

Then we go back to IJN torp meme shenanigans

And return Fortune Meta back to her glory days

[stable dawn]

no even better. We'll get piercing torps as a skill for a UR

imagine nuking the entire vg, then the torps pass through and kill 3 backline enemies

[whole salmon]

Or heck even better

Rainbow missiles for DDGs

Preload

Auto aim

Instantly kills Eldridge no questions asked

[stable dawn]

not if we also get rainbow rudder

invuln for 3s at start of the fight and once every 20s ez

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-cooking-gif-25702406

[junior trench]

Brb, going to make my defense fleet WaSDE

[junior trench]

Have you thought about testing Implac based on the discussion the other day?

[torn sedge]

is warspite viable now?

with unique augment she seems to perform pretty well

[distant gulch]

yes

[trail temple]

She's been the meta fleet since Lion came to the scene, combo'd with Royal Oak, and this was pre aug

Sorry, prior to her augment being introduced

[acoustic topaz]

For vanguard, will Anchorage perform better than Azuma in main tank position?

[distant gulch]

absolutely

azuma shouldn't be used at all

[acoustic topaz]

[distant gulch]

i kid you not

[acoustic topaz]

Any of these that shouldn't be used?

[acoustic topaz]

My heart cannot take this

[distant gulch]

azuma watarase

your backline is....... kinda coping

musashi is still good

[acoustic topaz]

I take copium twice a day

[distant gulch]

the two CVs not so much

you dont have lion?

[acoustic topaz]

Any suggestions for the 2 CV and Watarase?

Yeah I came back a day after Lion's run

[distant gulch]

run anchorage and jintsuumeta, im assuming you dont have eldridge either

[acoustic topaz]

My Eldridge is retrofitted but not built

[distant gulch]

run alsace/nj/soyuz, whichever you have

[acoustic topaz]

Aye I have em all

[distant gulch]

just dont attack into Lion's comp lol

[vale minnow]

just follow the peeVeePee guide la

[distant gulch]

should build her then

she's very good

even outside of pvp

[acoustic topaz]

There's one?

[distant gulch]

pinned message

[acoustic topaz]

Sweet, thanks! Imma check it out

The only guides I've followed are Samheart, and https://wiki.biligame.com/blhx/井号碧蓝榜合集

[vale minnow]

those are PvE guides

[acoustic topaz]

Aye, thanks again yáll. Imma dip into reading mode

[distant gulch]

based CN reader

ranger T3 it's joever

was ranger ever a thing in pvp? reset until full 10 proc

[vale minnow]

she can be a thing

[distant gulch]

madman technique

[vale minnow]

this also means

moving 2h before reset

[steel coral]

can solo entire main fleet but hard to pull off now with laffey

[vale minnow]

if theres a will theres a way

[distant gulch]

imagine killing everyone

but laffey kills your entire team too

🫃🏼

[acoustic topaz]

From the CN Tier List, that's for OpSi

[steel coral]

[vale minnow]

is there a

[vale minnow]

non gloriM fleet

por favor

[steel coral]

luna or nyakhimov idk

[vale minnow]

luna too hot

and lvl 70 0lb

[steel coral]

anything good against vanguard

[vale minnow]

hmm

where on earth is my keke think

[steel coral]

or just go ranger and enty and hope everything gets blown up

[vale minnow]

bett

[whole salmon]

Why are there so many Rainbow Heavy cruisers

Smh

[vale minnow]

devs changed from bbs to cas

[whole salmon]

Where are the CLs smh

This season has quite a lot of variety in terms of comps

Quite interesting

Ehh I won

[hybrid agate]

grats

[gloomy sand]

literally outlasting everybody else

lmfao

[brazen socket]

grats!

[stark ice]

The season is over.
Long live the new one!

[worldly ore]

I kinda just want fate sim already to see if Bayard will be any good in pvp

But looks like we're getting new PR ships before fate sim this time

[junior moss]

@slate estuary

[grand girder]

@deft quarry

@deft quarry

[light crystal]

Anybody using hiryu/dm stall comps?

[lusty hill]

what's dm?

:clueless:

[junior trench]

What I’m about to slide into right now

[gloomy sand]

[nimble fox]

Did I just see Jinntsuu META torp crit for 12k dmg?

damn, was almost spitting out the water I was drinking when I saw that on screen

[hybrid agate]

[nimble fox]

||petition for an Alsus augment||

[jade heart]

Who needs pvp metas

[knotty hazel]

them

[sand cliff]

Did they add any item for pvp?

I just couldn't kill the vanguard

[worldly ore]

Eldridge

[junior moss]

so... any chance trafalgar becames remotely usable thanks to royal oak or nah?

[vale minnow]

No she will die

She isn’t as tanky as Laffey
Doesn’t have elds invuln
Doesn’t have the burst damage like jim and shim

And if anyone, she would be buffing warspite the most

[ripe ivy]

usable ☠️

she isn't squishy bro she straight up a box of eggs

one hit and she be sent off to the shipyard for repairs 😭

[junior trench]

Wasn’t Pink testing out a few teams using Traf?

[vale minnow]

testing doesnt mean its good

[junior trench]

I never said one way or another?

[vale minnow]

having traf is kinda bad
for one you kinda have to get her to live until warspite fires

[fickle echo]

No you don't. Her buff for the same fleet don't have the "while this ship is afloat" only the crossfleet buff has that

[vale minnow]

So use her as fodder

[fickle echo]

Assuming she isn't another bugged ship that doesn't work like their skills say

[stable dawn]

we've been getting a lot of those recently huh

maybe the rumours are true. Azur Lane is using AI generated code

🤖

[valid oxide]

Pink tests alot of stuff, it's expected that it's not always good

[trail temple]

He tested Janus the other day too

[nimble fox]

I'm hoping for UR dd gun this PR season

The UR 100mm is ass, and there is only 1 138mm UR gun to use

no one is using CA in pvp right?

[stable dawn]

wish granted, but it can only be used as a BB aux gun

[lusty hill]

NJ is meta again

[valid oxide]

UR 100mm is like the second best DD gun

[blazing orbit]

peashooters better.

[royal bobcat]

#international-port

[ornate cosmos]

Guys.does the pvp spreadsheet already updated

[distant gulch]

no it's outdated 10 years ago

[lusty hill]

Yes

[junior moss]

well, lion was the last ur so yeah its updated

[ornate cosmos]

I see many thanks .does the cv back line have relevance on the lion hms meta..or i should say can go toe to toe

[junior moss]

only in defense for people having fun with experimenting

[distant gulch]

CV is dead before Lion was here

lion being able to burn through CV detection only made it even more dead

so it's twice as dead as before

[lusty hill]

CV on top

[graceful veldt]

Ha ha ha

[gloomy sand]

[ornate cosmos]

Thanks for the guidance

[vale minnow]

Lion when vs cv

[knotty hazel]

me when manual pvp exist

[lusty hill]

Skill issue

[ripe ivy]

is retrofitting Yamashiro any good?

managed to find one in the wild

[distant gulch]

collection

it makes her worse actually

[junior trench]

Yamashiro and her sister ship are the only two ships in the game to get worse after a retrofit. Mostly because they actually lose gun mounts just to equip Seaplanes (which aren’t that great).

[shell raft]

You're forgetting about Ise and Hyuuga whom suffer the same problems

[junior trench]

No, they aren’t as bad at all. For the Ise class BBs, it’s closer to a side-grade.

[vale minnow]

no its pretty bad
hyuuga loses a whole mgm

and also gets the bonus of using some trash seaplane

[junior trench]

They are quite better than Fuso and Yamashiro

[lusty hill]

Seaplane are good now since we have halford plane with tiny tims rocket

[versed geyser]

Fuso’s problem got fixed by an augment I believe

[versed geyser]

Well Hyuuga loses an MGM but gains a bunch of stats from retrofit + efficiency + proximity barrage + Halford plane is pretty decent

[junior trench]

Fuso’s augment has nothing to do with her retrofit. Just like she’s always been, she’s better if you don’t retrofit her all the way.

[versed geyser]

Well it was supposed to buff her retrofit by giving her an extra barrage to her airstrike, but it’s too weak ig?

[gloomy sand]

just lvl 120 them for the BB RLD before u retrofit them for collection

[trail temple]

<@&472236072743600148>

Thanks

[grim solar]

Oh man I wanted to type ANNIHILATE after pinging them.

[stable dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/exodia-yu-gi-oh-gif-14913677

[nimble fox]

Will we have any good UR gear this PR?

I don't want another UR CA gun

[valid oxide]

ill do you one better, UR seaplane

[junior moss]

we always get a ur gear, the question is wich one, my bet is either on BB or DD gun

BB gun kind of weird tho since this year we got 2 new ur guns: the sap rafael and the he lion

[nimble fox]

dd gun would be blessed

[junior moss]

so probably a DD gun? or maybe a ddg missle and dr cn ship

[junior trench]

I mean, Dutch ships…

[junior trench]

Idk, I could see a CL gun, considering we don’t have a lot of UR options for it. Though, tbf, we won’t know what options of possible equipment we’ll even have until we have all the Research ships announced.

[junior moss]

usually the last dr ship announced is the one the ur equipement belongs to no?

[junior trench]

[valid oxide]

Can't really comment on these patterns when announcement patterns have changed year by year

[gloomy sand]

pr2: 457mm = georgia gun
pr3: 234mm = drake gun
pr4: tenrai = hakuryuu's db
pr5: quad 152(?) mm = plymouth's gun
pr6: hindenburg gun (forgor)
pr7: La-9 = admiral nakhimov's rocket fighter

atm only Pr2 is the outlier here

[valid oxide]

Ply is 152 you are correct, hinden is triple 203

[nimble fox]

Damn, another UR BB's gun?

[lusty hill]

it's an aux equip with similar stats to gaming table but without the reload skill, it instead will guarantee critical strike on the first salvo similar to zwei skill

[valid oxide]

With all due respect that would be so ass, never cook again

[whole salmon]

I simply hope for a Quad gun with reload at 20 sec

That alone could already prove useful

And have it be HE

[whole salmon]

Odin started it with a triple gun being faster than FDG’s twin

So I hope for a Quad gun that is as fast or faster than MK7 and Lion’s gun

[junior trench]

We could also get her secondary guns maybe?

[versed geyser]

Azur lane equipment reload with no enhancement is the same as WOWs. It will probably be about as fast (or a bit slower) as the FDG gun and Mecklenburg gun both have similar reload in WOWs (2.3 shots per minute)

[lusty hill]

Kid named NJ gun

[whole salmon]

But NJ gun isn’t quad? I mentioned MK7 there as well which is NJ gun

[whole salmon]

If that’s the case then it would be quite useful. Seydlitz and Alsace currently have relatively slow reload on triples. Running twins would reduce their dps. So a rainbow quad with fast speed yet moderate damage is the best middle ground

[lusty hill]

Why would you want quad

It would deal the same damage

[whole salmon]

Since her gun is Quad?

[lusty hill]

3x4 = 4x3

[whole salmon]

Mecklenburg’s gun is quad

Which is why I’m talking about quad

If her gun is a triple then I would have said triple

[lusty hill]

If the DR equip is a BB gun then azur lane is dead

Yamato on JP anni will be last nail on the coffin

The DR equip will be an aux gear

[distant gulch]

it will be a HE CA gun

watch

[lusty hill]

You are high

[graceful veldt]

I also bet on that

[lusty hill]

You too are high

[graceful veldt]

My tag literally says weed
But i do believe we'd get gouden's gun

[valid oxide]

HE CB gun

[junior trench]

I have a prediction that our UR equipment will actually be from the last ship revealed

It would be the first time in a while that we get UR gear from a PR ship, but it could be

[stable dawn]

inb4 there are only 4 ships for this PR

[junior trench]

Then this would be the worst PR season yet, because we've only got boring choices so far.

[lusty hill]

Tiny tims rocket

[lusty hill]

It would be the worst series if we got BB gun or CA gun as DR equip

[distant gulch]

shutup serenity

are you lv150 yet?

lv149 cannot chat here

[lusty hill]

:ranchSexGun:

[valid oxide]

Photoshop

[lusty hill]

just search my name

[valid oxide]

I wouldn't touch your server with a 10 foot pole

[lusty hill]

your skill issue is showing

you won't get anything good by lack of skill

[distant gulch]

wow amazing. you can chat now

[nimble fox]

This PR season is just another let down like the last one

Yostar don't do anything else other than "ADD" a bunch of BBs

[junior trench]

Well, 2 BBs

Unless, the last one is a BB

Which I doubt it

Although if it was Illinois I wouldn't mind.

Anyway, I doubt Kansas is going to affect PvP all that much, unless she provides specific utility like how Seydlitz provides specific stuff.

[nimble fox]

Kansas probably gonna be another chap 15 bb, watch

[junior trench]

Mecklenburg is up in the air, I expect her to be a normal good at PvP BB, but she could always be one of the few that's not really geared towards it.

I mean, Raffaello and UvH aren't PvP ships but arguably still good.

[nimble fox]

I haven't seen any good DR ships for PvP in a while now

Napoli is on par with anchorage, but anchorage can use manjuu

Kearsarge is even flakier then Alsus, despite massive damage against light armor

[junior trench]

Kearsarge did have a temporary use in the Meta. But just didn't stay for very long

I mean, at this point, I'd argue Mecklenburg would have to do something very specific to get into the current meta. Unless she's Lion levels of broken.

[nimble fox]

Cuz Alsus kill kearsarge meta

[nimble fox]

DR ship is just another SSR banner ship

[junior trench]

No. Not at all. DRs are at the end of the day still rainbow rarity ships, they are just as good as URs. It's just that they're not always going to be PvP focused ships. For example, Napoli might not be that great in PvP at the moment, but she's still practically a Top 3 Tank right now in other content.

[nimble fox]

I already beat chap 15, I don't need to play other contents

[junior trench]

[nimble fox]

Jokes aside, the grind for gold plates never end

[nimble fox]

I might be cookin'

What if

A DR torp?

Like daring class torps

DR brit torps for pvp-which sounds very feasible

[valid oxide]

Meck could be UR seydlitz

The best part of that is that there would be 2 seydlitz to use

[late heath]

UR Kashino ammunition

[wary berry]

why would a new ur bb gun not be good for pvp, the meta is always 3 bb anyways

[vale minnow]

it depends on the gun stats

[stable dawn]

musashi gun kek

e

[vale minnow]

E

[vale minnow]

460 is a good example yea
you can run it, but your backline is probably gonna get deleted before it fires
or you run it on alsace and make it go AP against light armor frontline

but it all doesnt matter because lion exsists

[ember current]

UR twin 410 when

[distant gulch]

tomorrow

[vale minnow]

just bring back the meat beater deleter

i shouldve started greeding earlier, now i cant

[distant gulch]

🫃🏼 i overcap 10 attacks this season thanks to blackout, so can't do anything

[vale minnow]

data ded?

usually when i have blackout i have data

[distant gulch]

no data

100% wifi guy

[vale minnow]

where u from

[distant gulch]

🇲🇾

[vale minnow]

wtf can’t even greed

[gray belfry]

my guess is that the UR gun will be mecklenburg gun which may be a 20s timing BB AP gun to finally fill that spot

[stable dawn]

wish granted but it's normal ammo type

[gloomy sand]

Blacklist International

[brazen socket]

and the multips are 150/150/150

[stable dawn]

80/80/75

[prime igloo]

Yo

How does pvp ranking work? Last last season I somehow got to 900 - 1200 rank, but now im stuck at like 1500 to 2000.

[brazen socket]

its based off your points

If you're still around that range at this point in time you're missing points from attempts

attempts restore 3 times per day

first at server reset, 9 hours after, and then 6 hours afterward

[distant gulch]

reset, 12 hrs after, then 6 hrs after

[prime igloo]

Okok

[distant gulch]

im a prophet

[neat atlas]

She's probably gonna have a Napoli like smoke screen so you can cope for PvP relevance

[vale minnow]

impossible gonna get one shot by shima

[lusty hill]

Lolicon

[distant gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/what-horse-so-what-gif-13407407

[gloomy sand]

irys pvp relevance

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-gif-24337002

[wary berry]

kinda funni if another pr dd also turns out to have glitch that makes her the worst

[whole salmon]

Ayy the Rainbow gear is the Quad gun

Quad 305 SKC

Serenity fuming

[junior trench]

Tbh I was actually hoping for Torps. It's been way too long since we've gotten Rainbow Torps

[lusty hill]

Azur lane is dead

[stable dawn]

it's been dead for years

[nimble fox]

The only reason it stays afloat is bcuz yostar has a lot of money to throw around

[stable dawn]

it's the merch

[vale minnow]

Where do you think I get my 5ft body pillow from

[nimble fox]

damn, I didn't unlock my 2nd fleet?

this too?

[lusty hill]

that's no pvp

[junior trench]

Player vs 🅿️irens

[nimble fox]

Is this confirm?

[whole salmon]

Yep

CN patchnotes

[nimble fox]

I guess yostar is brain-dead then

[finite fog]

gear i don't like = braindead

[whole salmon]

I mean it is to be expected

Another Rainbow CA would be even more brain dead

This is our first Quad gun in quite a long while

[nimble fox]

Yes

But

[finite fog]

confessing i see

[whole salmon]

What’s with you lot and disliking Quad gun

[nimble fox]

There is more