pvp

[valid oxide]

Frog happened

Then lion happened

[vale minnow]

then eos happened and we all retired

[gloomy sand]

when will you playing game happen

[valid oxide]

And the meta vanguard has 2 ships with good AA 🐎

[valid oxide]

I do I just slowed down alot

I'm in my pve era right now, even though I have access to the silly meta PvP fleets now

[nimble fox]

is it just me

[bright mauve]

Just you

[nimble fox]

or every summer brings the most broken URs

[nimble fox]

let me finish my sentence lol

[bright mauve]

@lusty hill hes bullying me say something

[viral gust]

who should i put beaver badge on?

(assume they are 125)

[zinc phoenix]

prob a backline ship?

it's eva gear and still applies the spec effect even when on backline

jintsuum takes torp auxes, and the other two are dds

[viral gust]

do i put it on any of them im rlly stupid at this game pvp

[zinc phoenix]

also musashi usually takes center for barrage reasons

[viral gust]

i copied it from the pin, idk why is soyuz the flagship

but thanks ill switch them

[zinc phoenix]

ah they changed it, ig it doesn't matter that much maybe

"In recent developments, the fleet has dropped WNT flag on attack by moving Alsace to flag with Pearl Tears, as the Standard vanguard comp has become too tanky to consistently die early enough to heal the backline. This meta is weird."

i don't use wnt so that's that

also, small note, but lion is rapidly growing in popularity and will prob replace musashi before long

as for me, i put beaver + table on musashi

table + fairy magic on soyuz

then table + white shell or pearl ig on alsace

[viral gust]

thanks

just another question

why is pearl tears good on backline?

[zinc phoenix]

pearl is good on anyone who dies early

[viral gust]

backline dies early???

[vale minnow]

she gets nuked

[zinc phoenix]

sometimes, and alsace is less hardy than musashi and soyuz (especially with fairy magic)

[viral gust]

alr guys tysm

[zinc phoenix]

also the current meta vg is very tanky

laffii caps damage taken based on %, eldy has eva stuff and partial invulnerability for a slight bit of time

jintm herself is a bit the same and can launch torps on death

so uh backline does in fact die earlier sometimes... very frequently laffii is the last ship alive

[viral gust]

yea you are right backline feels so fragile compared to vanguards ive just tried it

[vale minnow]

lion good

battles only 30s now

[zinc phoenix]

10/10/x?

[vale minnow]

10/9/0

[zinc phoenix]

how tf would you have 0

[vale minnow]

huh

[junior moss]

skill issu due to 2 aquila training i guess

[zinc phoenix]

but thanks alpha ig i'll make the switch

was waiting on finishing skilling but ig the diff is that big

[vale minnow]

i still win

[junior moss]

still what do you thonk about lion vanny alsace?

am i better with sashi for vanny

[vale minnow]

idk i dont have vanguard oathed

[zinc phoenix]

are you also a meta oather?

[vale minnow]

PvP brainrot

I wouldn’t say so myself

[zinc phoenix]

ooh i don't have the fireworks gear skin

[bright mauve]

Missing Janus

[zinc phoenix]

beautiful

although, i thought aquila would be included, since you're training 2 of them

[junior moss]

not 100 affinity

[vale minnow]

bad economy nowadays, only afford to oath shiny new ur

maybe that ranger oath will be useful oneday

[zinc phoenix]

lel

but honestly a very impressive set alpha

maybe i shouldn't encourage spending though

[vale minnow]

yea

lixxy is 149

[zinc phoenix]

hm? am in ranking rn?

but ye

[vale minnow]

lvl 149

[zinc phoenix]

yep. higher than even cheeky i think who started a year before

this is what constant farming in w12 gives (i don't buy oil)

[vale minnow]

w8 im older than you in game cheeky 150 now btw

[zinc phoenix]

nope he's 150 damn

still got to climb a lil

admittedly i've been overcapping on oil for some time now

masters and stuff

actually alpha what's your ign?

[vale minnow]

I have rebranded to ColonelSanderZ

[zinc phoenix]

oh wait you're in my friend list

[junior trench]

What if WaSD + Lion unironically

[gloomy sand]

good luck damaging the UR backliners

[steel coral]

[junior trench]

Wash has two Barrages though, she can't lose

[junior trench]

Oathed Ranger Gigabased

[junior trench]

Ranger 2 when?

UR with Jets and the same damage potential as the OG Ranger

With the new meta, I finally have a reason to max level my Warspite. It's been far too long to be honest.

[zinc phoenix]

for lion users, her burn performing or no?

[versed geyser]

Her burn is OP

[junior trench]

If you squint, the word “burn” looks like “bum”.

[light crystal]

I dunno what would cause your Alsace to die too early, her survival rater seems good for me. Might as well put Pearl in the VG. Maybe a fleet dependent thing I suppose

[stable dawn]

@whole salmon so was it ever proven if gear skins sometimes had different hitboxes? And does CN have any known info about it?

[whole salmon]

I don’t think I’m aware of it

I would have definitely brought it up if I had known

However for regular skins

I think there was an incident with Amagi

But I think it was just a rumor, not sure if it was proven

[stable dawn]

I remember yuki oath skin was smaller than her default

waaaay back

[lusty hill]

it doesn't matter what the game thinks

what matter is that you believe in it

[brazen socket]

Btw, how consistent does lion survive against torp one shots

[lusty hill]

As long as you put her on top she's safe from torps

Opponent vanguard tend to move to the bottom side on the first 2 seconds

[graceful veldt]

Doesnt lion take decreased damage from torps?

[brazen socket]

Yeap

Which is why I was curious how well she tanks in the scenario she ever gets them

Since its a direct dmg reduc with crit dmg and rate reduc

[valid oxide]

Doesn't matter how well she tanks if you just run her with royal oak

[lusty hill]

PSA:
Shiburin has updated their fleet. This is now the latest meta for pvp. Copy the fleet now

[distant gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/rin-shibuya-idolmaster-deresute-pout-deremas-gif-893280564557965073

[flint python]

laffey

[ornate cosmos]

Alsace the flagship on pvp

So sushi is replaced ohhhhh

[ornate cosmos]

Now im curious on the gears used..

[junior moss]

noooo, soyuz no

[junior trench]

The year is 2030. Every PvPer uses Iowa, Yamato, & Wisconsin at TAS levels of perfection. Because of this, the winner of a match depends solely on waifu priority. The Rock Paper Scissors metagame has evolved to ridiculous levels due to it being the only remaining factor to decide matches. Humanity has reached its pinnacle.

[valid oxide]

And mirror matches crash the game

[junior moss]

reset match in case of loss

[valid oxide]

Damn 2030 sounds just like now

[knotty hazel]

the year is 2031. theres now multiple replicas of lion where its skill can cover the whole map. nothing can escape the burn when it scales with lv and fp. pvp may be changing to triple healer comp.

[valid oxide]

Healers get oneshot

The only way a healer becomes meta in PvP is if they are both a BB and are literally just Soyuz/Alsace/lion but with a heal attached

or they are a UR royal oak to push the HMS agenda

[flint python]

year 2032. Game had an update where backline ships now move like vanguard ships and positioned further away from vanguard.

[wary berry]

is shiburin the pvp god or something?

[lusty hill]

They are one of the top player yes

[stable dawn]

The year is 2026, the game has gone end of service

[stable dawn]

that's because it's me bro.
I'm Shiburin

[graceful veldt]

The man himself is here

[lusty hill]

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/pFRBeIuxNIc?si=CznPNMJni35kGFbb

[whole salmon]

It’s me isn’t it

[fickle echo]

Yes

[whole salmon]

I haven’t watched the vid but I saw Seydlitz

[fickle echo]

Btw full burn and torp memes failed badly

Torps would just go into rainbow bridge or miss most of the time

[whole salmon]

My Royal Oak isn’t ready yet so I used Seydlitz

It seem to still be viable

The Lion, Alsace, Soyuz has highest dps

But it feels too paper

Lion Musashi Seydlitz is tanky af while Triple HMS has Royal Oak to cover

[junior trench]

So, how are people feeling about Triple HMS (I put forward the name Tea Chuggers) vs Lion + 2 URs?

[whole salmon]

Royal Oak and Seydlitz comps are definitely viable

[whole salmon]

It is a trade off more than anything

[valid oxide]

How is it looking with laffii Vs torp memes

[whole salmon]

Depends on your playstyle

If you put in Soyuz or Alsace then your dps increases

You may end fight faster or whiff everything

[junior trench]

Is there a sense of RPS?

[whole salmon]

Royal Oak and Seydlitz comps are the tank alternatives

You can think of it was Mafia vs Weeb comps of the old days

One prioritizes on damage while the other is on consistency

[junior trench]

No Oak and Corgi?

[whole salmon]

I mean either of the 2 works

Lion Royal Oak Warspite and Lion Seydlitz Musashi are both tank comps

As opposed to damage comps of Lion Soyuz Alsace or Lion Soyuz Musashi

[valid oxide]

Are we going back to gambling times like back when rock paper scissors was a thing then

[whole salmon]

Not really

The damage comps are extremely paper

Both Soyuz and Alsace have no survivability

[valid oxide]

Oh, I'm safe then I just gotta level royal oak

[whole salmon]

Lion Soyuz Alsace is basically just gambling on whether you can outdamage the enemy

[junior trench]

Next UR that comes out be like “when your BBs fire their main gun, they are invulnerable for 10 seconds”

[whole salmon]

It is basically Mafia vs Weeb of the old days

Mafia would try to out dps with VV NJ Aquila

While Weeb comp would tank with Hiryuu NJ Shinano

[whole salmon]

Now it is the same thing

If you want tanks, go with Seydlitz or Royal Oak comps

If you want damage, slap Lion with either Alsace, Soyuz or Musashi

[junior trench]

Made mention of earlier, but has there been any decisions on new fleet names?

[fickle echo]

That's why I tried this too
https://youtu.be/q04ov1clzDU?si=tPytF6MTTRgoDNjP

At least they can win a lot of fights without all ships losing almost all their hp

[valid oxide]

Is it generally agreed upon who tanks in the standard vanguard or is it preference

[whole salmon]

I prefer Eldridge tanks but ik a lot of people still use Jintsuu M tank

[fickle echo]

I think anyone is fine aside from Laffey II, because you really need her having as much hp as possible

[whole salmon]

Yeah anyone aside from Laffey

[valid oxide]

Thanks, I was wondering because I switched to eld tank recently and it felt better than jintm tank I was using before

[fickle echo]

I think the choice between JintM and Eld depends more on how lucky you're feeling

Eld tank can trigger early and avoid all the damage or die right away

And JintM can get an early kill by dying early or hit absolutely nothing

[junior trench]

Would 52 be worthwhile to use on the vanguard for Triple HMS? I don’t have JintM up yet and don’t have Shima.

[fickle echo]

I dunno I don't have her to be sure

I was too busy being dead during her event to get her

[valid oxide]

I logged in once did my dailies and then disappeared for the rest of the event

[whole salmon]

You could always just go with Harbin

Actually no, don’t use Harbin

It might mess up Eldridge proc

[junior trench]

Sounds like me during Fitz Rumey. I wish I didn’t miss her, she’s so cool but I was busy with IRL stuff

[whole salmon]

Hmm, ig you can test Trafalga

[fickle echo]

Ibuki is good nowadays after the augment

[whole salmon]

If you are using 3 HMS anyways then might as well test Trafalga

[junior trench]

Yeah, I’m working on her at the moment, and she’ll no doubt be up before JintM, but she’s still not ready yet.

[valid oxide]

Wasn't Fritz and z52 the same event

[whole salmon]

She just performs like a discount Laffey with HMS buff so might as well

[junior trench]

I MLBed 52 after I did Lion, so it’ll be a couple months before I have enough for Traf.

[valid oxide]

You should just already have 125 aug ayanami

[junior trench]

I think so, but like I said, I was too busy with IRL stuff on the lead up, so I couldn’t save enough cubes in advance.

[whole salmon]

Wait, you have bulin issues

Am I that out of touch with the common folk

I’m overflowing with that stuff with nothing to buy

[junior trench]

I’m working on getting her to 125.

[valid oxide]

Bulin issues are skill issue since we get 2.5 bulin per month without even counting events

[fickle echo]

Suffering from success

[valid oxide]

I have bulin issues but I also only came back to the game properly like a month ago and MLBed 3 URs so I'm exempted from skill issue (trust)

[junior trench]

Unfortunately though, because I missed a few over previous events, I’ll end up getting a lot of URs at once from pity and returning events and what not, so I suddenly am overloaded with choices without enough bulins. Tbf though, I only have like 3 or 4 URs that aren’t MLB, and some already have merges (not from spreading bulins, it’s from dupes).

[whole salmon]

I have like

70k special proto

And 18k standard proto

[junior trench]

Tbf, you already have them all MLB

[whole salmon]

Some I have twice of

[junior trench]

I’ll eventually catch up, it just will take me a little longer.

[whole salmon]

I’m getting my 2nd Trafalga for the memes

I think I had to retire some Shimas since I keep getting them

Cba raising them

[junior trench]

I still need to get Shima at some point.

[whole salmon]

I want to use my Bulins damn it

[valid oxide]

I won't raise shima because I am somewhat convinced she is dead now

[whole salmon]

I reached the boomer phase of needing to retire bulins to clear dock space

Weirdly enough

I didn’t get Little Anchorage

Not because I didn’t farm enough

But because I simply forgot to claim

[junior trench]

So, no Harbin I guess because of Eldridge Kai?

[valid oxide]

Harbin is fine just gamble better

[whole salmon]

Little Anchorage is the first ship I missed in like 3 years

And now I have to wait like a year

[flint python]

real tech is bring back gridmann

[junior trench]

So, what would it be then, considering so far suggestions of ships to include beside Eldridge are Harbin, Ayanami, etc, and then my own mention of 52.

[junior trench]

Lion + Gridman

[whole salmon]

Ibuki could work as Ari mentioned

Fate 5 Ibuki with Aug

[junior trench]

It’ll still be a bit before she’s up and running.

[valid oxide]

Doesn't ibuki mean you want some boilers 🥀🥀

[whole salmon]

Or run Seydlitz comp with Z52

[junior trench]

Don’t have Musashi. I’m hoping to get her when she hits permanent

[valid oxide]

Don't need sushi now lion is real

[junior trench]

Going to hopefully have my pity timed for that

[whole salmon]

You could always go for a special pick

Like

[junior trench]

I also don’t have Alasace or the Ruski

[whole salmon]

Oh god

Janus

[valid oxide]

NJ

[junior trench]

Why, when I have both Oak and Warspite?

[valid oxide]

Because then you go back to the issue of who do use until you got jintm 💔

[junior trench]

I mean, I have Laffey 2 as well, but it seems like she’s fallen out of meta

[whole salmon]

You could go Juneau

And have Juneau tank instead

Enemy’s Lion is going to burn your frontline anyways

Might as well get a heal out of it

[valid oxide]

Is Juneau back 🐎

[junior trench]

I mean, I do have Anchorage, if it’s a tank I need.

[whole salmon]

Nah

[junior trench]

[whole salmon]

Smoke messes with Eldridge

[junior trench]

I meant instead of Juneau

[whole salmon]

Which was why I was against Harbin

Eldridge wants to get hit

So Smoke may mess with that

So weirdly enough, Juneau could work better than Ancho

[junior trench]

So Juneau Tank, Eldridge Off Tank, who middle?

[whole salmon]

Laffey

[junior trench]

isn’t she now no where near as good?

[whole salmon]

If you are lacking in alternatives

Then you should still run her

[valid oxide]

She is still good, lion just opens the opportunity for other vanguards to kick her

[junior trench]

I mean I do, just not a couple of the ones mentioned.

PvP Exhausting

[valid oxide]

Only when they flip the meta with new releases

[nimble fox]

I'm assuming 2 406 twin ssr, right?

@stable dawn

[vale minnow]

Just run a tank

[valid oxide]

I yearn for the days when ancho shima Juneau/harbin was the vanguard

[nimble fox]

Like this? Hit hard, and trying to hit often. Logic behind bow is for her to take the back like the job that musashi did

[vale minnow]

[nimble fox]

don't mind my skills, she is getting there

[whole salmon]

New cn vid

Hmm 2 actually

I’ll check it our first then summarize later

[distant gulch]

oathing her next

[junior trench]

So, Laffey like everyone was saying?

[nimble fox]

1 or 2

[junior trench]

What?

[vale minnow]

Which laffey
Laffey 2 the UR?

[junior trench]

Obviously the UR. OG wouldn’t make any sense LOL.

[whole salmon]

Heh they have a new idea

[vale minnow]

Can’t be too sure these days

[vale minnow]

Laffey2 tank
Someone
Eld retro

[whole salmon]

Very interesting

CN definitely burnt the kitchen

[junior trench]

If I wanted to meme, I would’ve just used Neptunia ships

[vale minnow]

But yea this is good
Just grab jintsuu meta from dossiers

[whole salmon]

They run some weird ass comp

Seydlitz comp backline but the frontline is mbruh

Eldridge Juneau Jintsuu

Instead of Laffey

[vale minnow]

[whole salmon]

All 3 test is about Seydlitz comp and HMS comp

It seems they narrowed into their favorites

[nimble fox]

lol juneau

[whole salmon]

Ig they got bored of testing backline so now they are testing frontline

Standard Eldridge Laffey Jintsuu M

Vs

Eldridge Shimakaze Jintsuu M (defense fleet preferred)

[gloomy sand]

[whole salmon]

And Eldridge Juneau Jintsuu M (wonky ass comp)

Tell them to never cook again

Just kidding, this actually sounds funny

I’ll test it for the memes

[junior trench]

I'm working on JintM, but it'll be a bit before she's going to be up and running

[valid oxide]

If Juneau can die consistently before royal oak we could get some silly shenanigans of backliners not dying before frontline

Clearly we just need a HMS CV that is nano and hiryuu combined + lion burn but as a flood (and immune to reveal)

[junior trench]

Next DR?

[valid oxide]

You caught me 🐎🐎

[whole salmon]

This is mainly a defense test so don't pay too much attention to enemy wonky comp

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1CF7rzLE58?spm_id_from=333.788.videopod.episodes

Offense: Seydlitz Musashi Lion, Eldridge Laffey Jintsuu

Defense: Lion Musashi Seydlitz, Eldridge Shimakaze JIntsuu

Wr for offense: 80%

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1CF7rzLE58?spm_id_from=333.788.videopod.episodes&p=2

Offense: Royal Oak Lion Warspite, Eldridge Laffey Jintsuu

Defense: Lion Musashi Seydlitz, Eldridge Shimakaze Jintsuu

Wr for offense: 62%

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1CF7rzLE58?spm_id_from=333.788.videopod.episodes&p=3

Offense: Seydlitz Musashi Lion, Eldridge Laffey Jintsuu

Defense: Lion Musashi Seydlitz, Eldridge Juneau JIntsuu

Wr for offense: 78%

[junior trench]

Colonialism FTW

[whole salmon]

Note that on offense, Manjuu gear is on Laffey

But on defense, Manjuu gear is on Eldridge

Since ofc there's no Laffey on defense

So where else are they going to place it

As no one is serious enough about pvp to do constant gear switching whenever they move

Take this as one of CN's own pvp quirks

[valid oxide]

Clearly NJ holds it

[whole salmon]

It is like how previously

CN has defense of Richelieu Soyuz Alsace

With Shima frontline and manjuu on Eldridge

But offense still have manjuu on Laffey

That's the main reason why people don't run different offense and defense, gear switching is a pain in the ass

[whole salmon]

I think they get away with this due to the 1 hour duration it takes for your fleet to get updated

So you can set up strong def, switch gear to offense comp, then move

But this is some sweaty af behavior that most wouldn't do

And you wouldn't risk forgetting to put Manjuu back on Laffey and lose a fight where you were aiming to reset

[junior trench]

Nah, Defense is for memes

[distant gulch]

wake me up when we settled on a meta

[junior trench]

And Waifus

[valid oxide]

Defence is for me to put a meta fleet with 0 gear on because I'm a tourist now 🥀

[junior trench]

I still eventually want to do the Neptunia Defense fleet, but it’s tough setting aside bulins sometimes.

Because they’re still not all MLB after like 6 or 7 years

[junior trench]

Is it better to farm the 533 Magnetic Auxiliary in the Archives? Or to buy them from the shop?

[distant gulch]

just buy lol

[gloomy sand]

farm on wa if no core data
else buy it

[flint python]

hms have a cock

[nimble fox]

Can you test between these 2 combos:
1/Alsace, Musashi, Lion- 3 usual suspects in vanguard
2/Alsace, Lion, Soyuz- 3 usual suspects in vanguard

[whole salmon]

@nimble fox

Essentially Lion Alsace Soyuz is too paper

[nimble fox]

on offense?

[whole salmon]

DPS is highest but consistency is low

[nimble fox]

I couldn't care less abt defense fleet

[whole salmon]

If you want to run something similar then run Lion Musashi Soyuz

Which yielded more consistent results

[nimble fox]

hmm, then Lion gonna have to take place of alsace

[whole salmon]

Alsace became too paper

Died too quickly

[nimble fox]

I still find that the pre-load is invaluable in dealing with vanguards

but I'll try

[whole salmon]

Lion and Soyuz is enough

No need Alsace

[whole salmon]

@nimble fox

This one Ari tested against me

Lion Alsace Soyuz still works for now since people aren’t running their own Lion yet

But once people do run their own Lion on defense then Alsace being that paper isn’t going to cut it for consistency’s sake

[nimble fox]

duly noted

is my lion's gear correct? @whole salmon

[whole salmon]

There’s improvements but overall it is viable

[nimble fox]

rat aa need a week or 2

[whole salmon]

You could set them as goals later down the line

For 457 and the UR AA

[nimble fox]

I got 457

[fickle echo]

Use sword instead of crossbow and a DD aux gun with more range is better to do damage to Laffey II

[nimble fox]

is 457 better or 406 better

406 has a much lower reload, calling out Lion's barrage more, and more use towards her buff

but significantly lower DPM

[vale minnow]

406 would overlap with soyuz

[fickle echo]

The gun depends on who you're using with her, just so she won't fire at the same time as other ship

[whole salmon]

The main damage comes from barrage 1

Which has Lionflame

And that is fixed timings

[nimble fox]

Alsace/Soyuz/Lion for now

[whole salmon]

The barrage 2 that is tied to main gun fire is a different one with less damage

[junior trench]

I have just made the ultimate Meme Fleet

All shall quiver in fear

[nimble fox]

I'm considering arming Soyuz with 457, so Lion can do the main punching job

is it a smart move?

[distant gulch]

no

[fickle echo]

You want Soyuz with the faster gun because her barrage hits as soon as she loads

[distant gulch]

soyuz always get mk4

[nimble fox]

hmm

one more thing

I don't get why soyuz is better than musashi

[distant gulch]

her barrage is faster

but imo it's 50-50, sushi is tankier, can finish backline more consistently

i dont think musashi is completely gonna be replaced, probably gonna be variations with her still part of the core

[whole salmon]

I mean the issue never was whether Soyuz or Musashi was better

The issue has always been Alsace is too paper

That’s why Seydlitz comp and Royal Oak comp exist

So we can get rid of Alsace

[distant gulch]

i feel like alsace also isnt gonna be completely out as well

[whole salmon]

She’s still a strong pick

But at the end of the day, it is moves and counter moves

Just like how Alsace kicked Fortune Meta’s ass out of the meta

[nimble fox]

Yes, I feel like a specialization in stabbing the back is better

[whole salmon]

Now Lion just makes everything on the backline feels like paper

[nimble fox]

But Alsace w/o Soyuz is just not it weirdly

[whole salmon]

Soyuz has always been the finisher, Alsace is not

Alsace is there to weaken everyone for Soyuz to finish

Which is the same role as Lion

[vale minnow]

it is?

[whole salmon]

Yeah

[distant gulch]

yeah soyuz is instant

[vale minnow]

[whole salmon]

Soyuz barrage doesn’t proc on fire, it procs on reload

And it has no delay

[distant gulch]

musashi is like... sword slash down, then lightning next 2s

[nimble fox]

She is an example of over specialization. She deals with annoying vanguards super efficiently

[whole salmon]

You could have a situation of oathed Soyuz vs un oathed Soyuz

And the oath Soyuz kills the unoathed Soyuz

And takes no damage

Simply due to outspeeding

[distant gulch]

p2w rld

pvp should remove oath status

base stats

@dev you hear me

[vale minnow]

[whole salmon]

Lion is more ridiculous tho

[vale minnow]

my lion finally pvp ready

[whole salmon]

The more you learn about Lion, the more you question the game’s mechanics

[vale minnow]

why survive when you can win

[whole salmon]

Lion’s burn doesn’t count as a burn

Even though it functions like a burn

But it is a burn that ignores enemy evasion stat

Ignores enemy evasion rate

Ignores enemy damage reduction

Ignores enemy concealment

Absolute cinema

[distant gulch]

ignoring concealment is the one that i feel really bullshit

like wtf is this

[vale minnow]

i support

using cv in pvp

[distant gulch]

the other two i can accept for being part of special DOT

it even hits submarine ffs

LOL

how does that make any sense

[nimble fox]

I support another broken vanguard UR like laffey 2

[whole salmon]

It hits everything that is on screen

And it burn on contact

Not on proc

So unlike Alsace or Richelieu that can still whiff due to high evasion

Lion just auto applies it

[nimble fox]

Lion don't gives a sh**

[vale minnow]

ready for next seaz

[nimble fox]

Same

[whole salmon]

Lion is so broken that she brought Warspite and Royal Oak back into the meta

[vale minnow]

what server are you @whole salmon

[whole salmon]

What’s next? Trafalga?

[nimble fox]

Idk, trafalgar is a weird one

[whole salmon]

Lexington

[nimble fox]

She can do a bit of everything, but sucks at it

[vale minnow]

lexy player 💀

[whole salmon]

A boomer one at that

I’m a survivor of the generation that practically all retired

[nimble fox]

You have been there, seen broken shit

[vale minnow]

i was mid fight, and i noticed a gap

[whole salmon]

Top position isn’t burned yes

[fickle echo]

Wdym brought Royal Oak back in the meta? As someone who oathed her as soon as she was released because her skills looked interesting, I still say she was still too much copium to be used back then

[whole salmon]

[whole salmon]

But don’t worry

Due to the stupid burn spread mechanics

When the Laffey summons die

The burn would spread to top position anyways

Yes, burn spreads even from summons

[vale minnow]

lion is too fucking broken

[nimble fox]

and I love it

[vale minnow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_TGlF0_amg&feature=youtu.be

[void zealot]

guy

[knotty hazel]

😔

[gloomy sand]

stinky lil bro

[finite fog]

@tired star i found your alt

[tired star]

[wary berry]

pvpers use champy/flandre guns? or something else for 3bb

[unkempt vortex]

you go for Triple 406 mk7/mk6 something like Alsace

then for them fast hitters

Twin 305 (Obtainable via getting Mikasa) for Musashi

then timing purposes in order to avoid jamming are the Golden twin 406 and the UR Twin 457

Unsure about the loadout for Lion so, some peeps might answer that certain mystery

[wary berry]

sorry for not clarifying, by 3 bb I meant lion, maryland and colorado

[valid oxide]

Can't sushi also use 356kai

[unkempt vortex]

both are alright, one is slightly faster for less dmg per shell and Normal FP Type

while other is slightly slower but deals slightly better dmg per shell and is HE

after all, Musashi mostly deals damage from her Barrage alone

[unkempt vortex]

sorry for doing so, But I think Lion might be the only applicable Backline you have, the rest like Maryland and Colorado aren't, unless you are using them due to their Big Seven Salvos, which are still far from lacking to the current meta ships for pvp

[valid oxide]

I pray that they have royal oak so they can just run triple HMS

[junior trench]

Tbh, I'd argue even DoY would be a better choice than the Colorado Class.

[valid oxide]

Warspite is right there

Perfect pearls tears holder if you don't have royal oak 🔥

[unkempt vortex]

Warspoot Revival is real

[junior trench]

Depends on if they have the Retrofit done.

[unkempt vortex]

all Hail Lion goes where she pleases

[valid oxide]

Warspite pre-retro is just even more fragile, still holds pearl

[unkempt vortex]

never have I thought that Musashi will be kicked out of the Line though

[junior trench]

But her snipe is weaker pre-retro as well

[valid oxide]

Oh yeah

spootkai >>> QETA > spoot

[junior trench]

If their only options are the Colorados, I doubt they have QE Meta

[valid oxide]

If they have Colorado's they have hiryuu

I don't care that CVs are dead because Colorado's are deader

[junior trench]

With Lion?

[unkempt vortex]

Lion gonna burn em endurances without acting like a burn mechanic is wild man

[valid oxide]

And you would rather then run Colorado's

[unkempt vortex]

fair tho

[junior trench]

Me OMW to bring back Nagato/Amagi/Hiryuu

[valid oxide]

Clearly the solution to their woes is British weeb

[junior trench]

Brit-aboo

[junior trench]

So, after discussion, you definitely would prefer Hiryuu over one of the two.

[junior moss]

is royal oak really good, or just cope? i mean the kit is kinda nice with hms

i mean, shouldn't she be good only for defense fleet?

[lusty hill]

Good offense is the best defense

[valid oxide]

Really good, but only with lion spoot

[wary berry]

I can do hiryuu and oak, sure
thanks

[junior trench]

If you can get Warspite up and Retrofitted, Lion/Oak/Warspite Retro is a top tier backline

[stable dawn]

CVs aren't great in this meta due to Lion burning stealthed CVs

[buoyant parrot]

Come on people please just switch now

[trail temple]

Don't you want your 100% wr?

And if they use GOT, they're basically asking to get walled

[brazen socket]

I battled a GoT comp with oak lion soyuz

needless to say

it got bodied

hard

none of my vgs died

[knotty hazel]

dang

ur opponent sure have alot skill issue

[trail temple]

Warspite sniping to take out top even faster

While letting the mid and bottom burn to death

[stable dawn]

fun meta

[distant gulch]

rip bozo

demoted from absolute top to bottom barrel

i guess my vanguard choice was right, shimakaze is back

[junior moss]

funniest fact is roak wreking on it

[junior moss]

i don't have a 125 shimi, any possible substitute?

[distant gulch]

no idea

shimakaze was the only one came to my mind when they say torp meme

maybe try harbin

see if that works out for you or not

maybe ayanami?

[steel coral]

I mean

[distant gulch]

🫃🏼 oh yeah ibuki exists

[steel coral]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-ibuki-blue-archive-ibuki-anime-dancing-girl-anime-dancing-gif-9521237391360808998

[trail temple]

Good way to distract Serenity

[trail temple]

She's permanently available now, you can at least work to getting her there

Unless you want to cope on inferior options like ayanami

[distant gulch]

just use the standard vanguard and reset until you win

[graceful veldt]

dude where is this tier list from?

[distant gulch]

from yahoo.com

[shell raft]

The forbidden distraction technique

[graceful veldt]

bruh

[wary berry]

alsace and soyuz both kicked out of tier 0 by fricking warspite and royal oak?!?! 🤯

[graceful veldt]

Wtf?

[wary berry]

i was refering to the google sheet, one which is pinned

[graceful veldt]

Oh its pinned here

[distant gulch]

it's crazy but... warspite and NJ both returning to top picks are some fever dream

[steel coral]

[flint python]

[steel coral]

or combine stall fleet and torpmemes into a single ultimate fleet

[distant gulch]

i love the fact that you use jintsuu retro

makes it more memey

[stable dawn]

wow it's both stall and torp at the same time, which cancels out to be nothing

[trail temple]

He has to use (or at the very least use another ijn), or Amagi loses her 10s salvo

[distant gulch]

i see, make sense

[flint python]

amagi eva buff useless tho rip

[whole salmon]

To think Warspite’s barrage causing HMS ships to force target an enemy is actually useful in this day and age

You can use to kill Soyuz

[floral wave]

exactly, lion has nothing to do with this, old HMS supremacy

[whole salmon]

Tho I don’t agree with NJ being there

The Musashi Lion NJ

Ik it is there so NJ can counter Warspite

[ornate lake]

Well, so warspite to deal with enemy main on top, oak for lion to be alive, and lion to deal with whole enemy that stay alive after vanguard torps

[whole salmon]

But against other comps then Soyuz being there is better

As for triple HMS and Seydlitz then both have been tested to be viable

So no complaints there

[ornate lake]

No complains

I just tested it right know

For like 2-3 days

[fickle echo]

NJ's barrage can always aims at the vanguard and fully miss if they're too fast and now there's Eldridge too, that's my problem with her

[graceful veldt]

Lion basically sweeps the main fleet but leaves the top thats why

[whole salmon]

Also for anyone planning to use Soyuz

Don’t use MK4

Warspite MK4 outspeeds Soyuz

Instead use Hood Gun

Or place Soyuz at bottom

In which case you get burnt by Lion anyways

[junior trench]

Blast from the past

[versed geyser]

Wait how lmao, Soyuz with 10% RLD boost should be more or less equal to Warspite’s RLD

[whole salmon]

Yours would jam and theirs won’t

Sasuga Royal Oak being slow

[distant gulch]

soon oak

[whole salmon]

Normally you wouldn’t have the jamming issue between Musashi and Soyuz

Because thank god Alsace is running triple gun

But then you have Lion

[grim solar]

The hell does this mean?

[whole salmon]

Just incase people doesn’t believe in triple HMS comp

[grim solar]

Fucking doubters.

Smh.

[whole salmon]

Since convincing people to use Royal Oak and Warspite in 2025 is a big ask

Seydlitz comp function on basically the same principal

Just with alternatives that people do trust

[grim solar]

It does feel strange seeing Royal Oak and Warspite of all ships on the top of the list.

[whole salmon]

So instead of Warspite sniping top position, it is now Musashi’s barrage doing that sniping

Instead of Royal Oak doing the tanking then you have Seydlitz

Both fleets are essentially sidegrade of each other

[whole salmon]

Lion existing severely discourage the use of Alsace

Fulfills the same role but way tankier

Lion also outspeeds Alsace most of the time

And has way stronger burns

[whole salmon]

Because of the burns being so strong

Royal Oak is there to act as basically a meat shield

And just tanks the damage that Lion and Warspite takes

Warspite meanwhile is there to snipe top most position to protect Lion

Either from a Musashi being placed there in Seydlitz comp, an enemy Lion or a Soyuz

The barrage’s focus targeting allows for all 3 HMS ships to focus fire them

So all 3 ships have a weird synergy that works

[grim solar]

Eldridge instead of Laffey II on torpmemes?

[whole salmon]

Without Eldridge, your frontline is dead from Lion within the first 10 seconds of the round

[grim solar]

Anything to change here?

[hybrid agate]

BB main guns

[grim solar]

[versed geyser]

Royal Oak and Warspite change to Mk4

[grim solar]

Why Mk4?

[whole salmon]

Royal Oak maybe not

But definitely for Warspite

Warspite and Lion have similar reloads

If you use same gun, they would jam

[grim solar]

Aight, Mk4 it is.

[ornate cosmos]

Consist of..lion seyd and alsace?

[whole salmon]

No

What’s with people and Alsace

Lion, Seydlitz, Musashi

[ornate cosmos]

Ohh i see thanks..lion as flag..got it..how about its vanguard..the usual jintM eldridge kai and laff ii

[ornate cosmos]

Sorry ahaha

[junior trench]

I gotta ask, how has Musashi survived this long in the meta?

[whole salmon]

The faster the backline dies, the more valuable tanks are

And Musashi is basically a brick

Budget enough to be functional with scuff gear

Fast enough to not be an Alsace and die before they get to fire

[ornate cosmos]

Btw whats with seyd that shes back on the pvp fleet..is she complimenting lion?

[whole salmon]

No

Seydlitz is like Musashi

She’s another brick

We realized that because of Lion, Soyuz and Alsace dies too damn quickly

[junior trench]

Seydlitz is also cute, which makes her more powerful

[whole salmon]

HMS comp is basically letting Royal Oak tank the damage

Seydlitz comp is basically running 3 tanks and the enemy would die before you

When Lion is doing 1.8k burn per tic that ignores damage reduction, concealment, evasion

Nothing else works aside from being flat tanky

[ornate cosmos]

And the tanks are laff ii eldridge kai and jintM

[wary berry]

was standard the only t0 vanguard comp before lion? I cant remember

[ornate lake]

You mean, jintsuM, laffi2, eldkai?

[wary berry]

yea

[valid oxide]

Standard was the only one before lion existed

[wary berry]

oh I see

is this the rushing strats? I was told to do rushing strats but the guide doesnt mention anything like that

[hybrid agate]

later part of this section

[wary berry]

ohh got it, thanks

[valid oxide]

Does ayanami work in torpmemes if I'm too stubborn to spend bulins on shima

[ornate lake]

More rng setup, but if you dont use shima ok

Maybe harbin or unzen can be better?

[valid oxide]

Harb creates more rng for eld procs

Also unzen 🐌

[ornate lake]

So aya is your choice

[unkempt vortex]

Aya is your best choice...

Ibuki with Augment its doable too in some occasions, IF YOU HAVE HER...

[lusty hill]

Ibuki is worse than ayanami

Use harbin instead of ibuki

[distant gulch]

serenity has spoken

✍🏼 🔥

[valid oxide]

Harb smog when eld 💔

[stable dawn]

isn't serenity the guy that loses to himself

[valid oxide]

Serenity loses to mafia while running teatime 🥀

[jade heart]

Serenity pays people off for rank 1

[wicked surge]

Serenity just bad at every part of AL

[jade heart]

Goose has spoken the truth

[finite fog]

I can't tell if you're just trolling or not anymore

[void zealot]

don't attribute to malice what is easily explained by incompetence

[wicked surge]

im using that from now on whenever serenity posts

[valid oxide]

what if it can be both though

[brazen socket]

The Lion does not concern herself with skibidi toilet

[brazen socket]

thsi anchorage sneak

[lusty hill]

:alSUS:

[wicked surge]

i fought a fully gear version of that fleet, she got pummeled

[knotty hazel]

lmao

[wary berry]

why is the rank 1 in my server not using the new meta fleet? kinda weird ngl

[void zealot]

who gives a shit about pvp

it also just doesn't matter

because this guy just did all his pvp attempts so he's rank 1

true rank1 is rank1 at the very end of the season due to the amount of fluctuation during the day

[brazen socket]

Don't question it

think of it this way

if they dont change it to adjust to lion meta

your fleet can clear it faster in the last 5 minute marks

[void zealot]

the lion does not concern herself with today's sponsor: NordVPN

[brazen socket]

NO

NubeVPN

[void zealot]

[distant gulch]

imagine using def fleet

and not showing off armpit or feet

[stable dawn]

it'll be like mafia where people still ran it on defense for 3 years

[wicked surge]

People can't be assed to change defensive fleets when it matters so little

[inner mango]

It matters so you can catch clueless people like a certain Serenity

[lusty hill]

I once heard a cheater that get high rank with low commander level

[wicked surge]

I clapped serenity's fleet , it was weak asf

[void zealot]

🫵🏳️‍🌈⁉️

[hybrid agate]

weren't you the pioneer of the serenity strats, and always gets a high rank at AOTN

[rancid fox]

Exercise is the most unbalanced mode in AL. While attack team rely more heavily on main fleet, the main fleet gets instant killed by jintsuu meta easily.

[void zealot]

thanks for the input immaculate_kiwi_37139

[whole salmon]

I remember the era where no one trusted Musashi

People thought she was slow and useless

And here we are

People take time to adjust, usually weeks to months

Unless they are among the few that eos practically every season, you won’t see adjustments that quickly

Unless they got walled by Lion and went to discord to complain and forced to switch

[harsh palm]

why adjust to the pvp meta.

[stable dawn]

why pvp

[brazen socket]

To pvp or not to pvp, that is the question

This vexes me

[gloomy sand]

i have blood from my pvp fleet that is dripping.

[raw jetty]

whats with the rise of lion X warspite in pvp

[trail temple]

Lion's timed barrage doesn't hit top

Warspite can snipe top with her skill

Which also helps by making HMS ships more likely to hit the targeted shit

[brazen socket]

What's Full HMS winrate?

[trail temple]

We got close to 95% overall

[brazen socket]

oh wow

despacito revival is real

[raw jetty]

finally, my username is worthy after 500 years

[valid oxide]

Defence fleet

[knotty hazel]

alsace and traf in pvp 🤔

[floral wave]

full HMS

[gloomy sand]

can actually try that atm

[raw jetty]

why is royal oak paired with the HMS meta ( lion x warspite)

waht does she do

[gloomy sand]

safety net for warspite iirc. If one HMS bote is about to die, Royal Oak saves her

can read more abt it on wiki or on your own Royal Oak

[distant gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/professor-oak-pokemon-gif-9819846

[raw jetty]

"I was professor oak and got reincarnated a ship girl called royal oak" ahh anime

[floral wave]

full is 6, not 3

[gloomy sand]

when u playing

[floral wave]

now

[gloomy sand]

[valid oxide]

This skill

Tanks 50% of damage taken by spoot and lion + zombie + self zombie (her own below 18% heal is sorta ass though )

[sick moon]

shit looks like april fools

[wicked surge]

Ewww who the fuck updates their fleet

[brazen socket]

I wake up in a cold sweat and find warspite back in pvp meta

[lusty hill]

your skill issue is showing

do better next time

[wicked surge]

your fleet was shit,

[brazen socket]

Oh thats interesting

Soyuz isnt part of T0 fleets anymore

How come?

[grim solar]

GoT got gutted to fuck.

[wicked surge]

Lion

[grim solar]

Tier 3.

[brazen socket]

Damn

[stable dawn]

Lion OP

[grim solar]

Wild times innit.

[brazen socket]

Happened all in 2 weeks

Lmfao

[grim solar]

Royal Oak of all ships is in Tier 0.

[brazen socket]

GoT gutted to Tier 3
Royal Oak and Warspite in Tier 0

[stable dawn]

HMS Seydlitz

[grim solar]

Torpmemes are back tho.

[brazen socket]

If I dont have prowler

[gloomy sand]

inconcistency lol

[brazen socket]

Safe to assume its best to not run eldridge right

[gloomy sand]

finally we get (somewhat) consistent backliners

torpmemes still runs eldy for a bit of stability

[stable dawn]

wdym soyuz is consistent

50% of the time

[brazen socket]

Im assuming she doesnt live consistently enough till salvo phase?

[gloomy sand]

[brazen socket]

Wait im stupid

Why did I say eldridge

I mean

Safe to assume I shouldnt run torpmemes right

[gloomy sand]

wrong spelling

[gloomy sand]

with lion and the torp threats, yes

[brazen socket]

My mind autocorrected :kek:

[stable dawn]

if you're missing prowler could try seydlitz warkai lion
if that's too squishy just use seydlitz musashi lion

[brazen socket]

Ooh alright

[trail temple]

In such a volatile meta where even standard or stall vanguards struggle to survive, might as well go all in on torps

[brazen socket]

good point

[whole salmon]

Weird fact

Slashes can still clear Lion’s barrage

I think it was a Lion and Laffey vs Laffey

End game

I still won but it was worth noticing

[brazen socket]

Hmm, I assume shimas more consistent than ibuki for torpmemes?

is it bc of the flooding?

[light crystal]

hey guys, is black rock shooter meta

[dark lotus]

They're not in game yet and no one knows their stats/skills, but no. They won't be. They will likely be meh to sorta good but outclassed by many things.

[light crystal]

momo is pretty op for a cruiser tho

can outdps like 4 rainbows at once its funny

power of collab. maybe brs will be good

[dark lotus]

1. This has nothing to do with pvp.
2. Campaign performance does not indicate good pvp performance.
3. MVP does not indicate good ship.

[light crystal]

1. I'm asking is BRS is good in PvP
2. Bad campaign ships can be good in PvP and vise versa
3. Skill issue

All BRS needs is immortality or high burst DMG and she could be good in pvp

[knotty hazel]

any pvp defense loadout to crash opponent device plus budget

placing alsace as flagship:

[late heath]

Vanguard might struggle but if you run Kashino, you will win

[whole salmon]

Another thing I wanted to ask

We know Lion’s burn bypassed damage reduction of Musashi

Now I want to double down on that

Does Lion’s burn also bypass WNT’s damage reduction

And even whether Lion’s burn bypass attacker advantage, the bonus’ 20% damage reduction

Basically, how far does this rabbit hole go

[knotty hazel]

does lion bypass every dmg reduction

[trail temple]

You can find BlueRender talking about dots in 2021

[worldly ore]

It'd be pretty busted if Lion's burn ignored all damage reduction everywhere

[flint python]

ignoring attacker advantage is funny

[versed geyser]

Fortune Meta just to clear the first barrage lmao

[brazen socket]

Fortune meta still annoying

I ran into an old fleet vs fortune

Cleared ez but fortune still clears :kek:

[whole salmon]

Here’s vid of testing before and after

Lion has damage reduction, Soyuz doesn’t

Enemy Lion doesn’t have WNT

The test is comparison before and after WNT

Hmm

I might retest it

Cus enemy has Alsace

So we can’t see Lion’s burn clearly

Alright here, both cases show 647 burn damage per tic regardless if it was before or after WNT

That’s defense wise, now for offense wise

Offense wise, without WNT is 1428 burn per tic

With WNT, it is still 1428 burn per tic

[distant gulch]

hmm yes...

i understood some of these words

[whole salmon]

Essentially

Regardless if it is on offense or defense

Burn damage isn’t affected by damage reduction of a ship’s skill

And it also isn’t affected by damage reduction of items

[distant gulch]

yeah because Lionflame is a special DOT

[graceful veldt]

Crazy OP

[whole salmon]

As for how to test whether attacker’s advantage applies

That would be more difficult

The only way ig is to have 2 Lions with exact same build and stats for burn comparison

Which currently is difficult to test

[whole salmon]

Tho chances are Lion’s burn ignores that as well

[rancid fox]

AL cares much more about the balance in META battles than exercise. The exercise buffs and debuffs have been outdated for a few years already.

[whole salmon]

It is balanced, it applies to everyone

[finite fog]

[whole salmon]

You either adapt or you get walled and complain

[rancid fox]

In later versions, attack teams no longer have advantages. Torpedos from defence team hits more easily. Eldridge's skill activation rate is higher in defence team. And the DOT damage bypasses the buffs.

[whole salmon]

If it isn’t considered a bug then it is mechanic

And as far as I know, burn damage isn’t considered in end screen in PVE either

[rancid fox]

Vanguards in defence fleet tend to take more hits from attack team

[whole salmon]

Ofc, that’s due to different frontline placement

It is balanced since it applies to everyone

It is a mechanic, you either adapt or you get walled

[rancid fox]

Manjuu has not updated the mechanisms in exercise for many years.

[distant gulch]

doesn't need to

pvp is cringe and only good for merit points

[whole salmon]

Does it even need updating? It works

[trail temple]

Gotta love reinventing the wheel

[whole salmon]

If it doesn’t work then I wouldn’t have eos at least like 20 seasons per year

It is simply those who knows the mechanics and those who don’t care enough to bother

[lusty hill]

Guys is kawakaze meta good at pvp?

[grim solar]

She has meta in her name.

Which means she's meta.

[distant gulch]

she is flat chested

it's automatically a strong distraction ship against you serenity

[grim solar]

Serenity will be distracted by that new Janus oath skin.

[distant gulch]

i need to wait until anniversary for the ring

grrrr

[whole salmon]

Hiryuu got powercrept lmfao

Dead Master’s Augment provide 15 sec invul on death

[distant gulch]

i saw 15s on the new collab

ye

[whole salmon]

ABSOLUTE CINEMA

[distant gulch]

how to be annoying in pvp

[whole salmon]

Now you can run Hiryuu with Dead Master and be a pain in the ass

[stable dawn]

holy shit a new op item locked to a collab

[shell raft]

👀

[brazen socket]

Keep up, or be left behind

[brazen socket]

What item?

Im checking dstamine rn

I feel like im missing something

[stable dawn]

[light crystal]

the new weeb ships suck. oh well. collesctibles be collectibles.

[stable dawn]

at least they're free

no gacha required

[light crystal]

skins arent free r they

[stable dawn]

imagine paying for a free game

[light crystal]

i think the equipment skins look cool iirc. might as well use them

[light crystal]

but them who's gonna fund ap

[stable dawn]

[light crystal]

[vale minnow]

[lusty hill]

Kid named delusional

[trail temple]

Dead before release

[wary berry]

will the effect work if the aug is not on dead master? i thought only those ships could equip their augs

[trail temple]

He meant run both Hiryuu and DM with the aug (2 ships)

[wary berry]

ohh got it

[valid oxide]

Lion hiryuu DM to stall as much as possible on defence fleets

[valid oxide]

If the vanguard dies in 15s and the CVs proc the death stall not long after then that's like a 30s battle

So rare in these trying times

[floral wave]

seyd hiryuu dm

[valid oxide]

Lion is there so that the enemy takes dot while being stalled to death

[floral wave]

stall maxxing

but some people would probably lose to just dot

[valid oxide]

Imagine having to reset to oneshot both of the 15s stall CVs early to avoided a guaranteed 15s of lion dot damage

[wicked surge]

doesnt lion burn persist after death

[junior trench]

Wait, is this comp actually not a meme?

[valid oxide]

Chat did I cook something

[distant gulch]

cook deez

[valid oxide]

I will

[lusty hill]

Janus is ready for pvp

[distant gulch]

only +10 torpedo what a noob

[valid oxide]

Where UR AA

[void zealot]

this dude just wants to lose

[distant gulch]

nice gem though

[void zealot]

thans

[valid oxide]

Janus losing to mafia in the big 25

[void zealot]

k

[distant gulch]

thansk

[void zealot]

new NP ship

thansk

[distant gulch]

murmanskksksksks's cousin