pvp

[vale minnow]

Wasn’t sashi out 2 years ago

[finite fog]

Eh I will count end of 2023 as 2 years ago

Built 2 fdg for 2 alts

[vale minnow]

Fdg is only for broke people who don’t have URs

[stable dawn]

does gph still recommend roon muse

[stable dawn]

musashi was sept 2022

[vale minnow]

I do

[stable dawn]

[knotty hazel]

what a jumpscare

[jade heart]

FDG carried me to W14 skill issue

[distant gulch]

fdg carried me to my first milf rule34 in azur lane

[distant gulch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1012288696336273428/1350850326445424661/1E7913BB18A867D201E9883D0F656E78_0.gif?=

[unkempt vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-dorothy-syuen-missilis-pilgrim-gif-11849893672236222052

[distant gulch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/789320118533619753/1050193114448539768/Little_Lyricals_shake.gif?ex=659f290e&is=658cb40e&hm=505843969e1b3ed2a8d7c35dee04b98f79d464a7724453502a7f471eca3f92f6&

[void zealot]

me

[knotty hazel]

you

[unkempt vortex]

them

[lusty hill]

Who are they

Any of them good at pvp?

[distant gulch]

of course

all 3 are perfect for distraction strat

they are Little Lyrical

one of them specialize in getting you wet

literally

https://tenor.com/view/kyouka-kyouka-priconne-princess-connect-gif-25262859

[void zealot]

me

[distant gulch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/939897785992507415/999085675024498749/kyoukasmh.gif?ex=6594930b&is=65821e0b&hm=d3f4eda5cee8241d995899760e3a3c479cd08f19ae7789cd29834d2e72c395c1&

[void zealot]

kyok..

[stable dawn]

rip priconne en

[lusty hill]

They look cute

is priconne any good nowadays?

is it too late to start?

[distant gulch]

it's getting more and more complicated nowadays

last year they added something called elemental or something to the units

so on top of unit distance, tp regen, you now have to memorize their elemental advantages too on top of the other shit

it's kinda 5Head game

[junior trench]

Wasn’t paying attention and I clicked to fight a fleet with Belfast in it
Had to close out of the game.

[distant gulch]

[bright mauve]

Good time to start

see u in princess arena buddy

[distant gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/828220879547662346.webp?size=56

[void zealot]

bruh

[knotty hazel]

hi

[neon summit]

bruh this game is a joke

old nakaga team is losing to musashi:laffey ii

[void zealot]

[unkempt vortex]

[rich mulch]

found another infinite staller

||could be because of the belfast skin||

[gloomy sand]

[lusty hill]

skill issue

[jade heart]

Imagine no nitro

[raw jetty]

What’s with this fleet

what does that belfast skin have to do

[rich mulch]

the only thing in common was the belfast skin compared to the other infinite staller from a few days ago

[raw jetty]

But

What does this skin

Have to do with stalling

Like does this skin freeze the game or smth

[rich mulch]

yeah

literally have to reload the app

it is only 2 observations so far but i can only hope for more data

[wary berry]

p2w fr fr

[knotty hazel]

elon musk!

[wary berry]

I overcapped today, forgot due to maint 💔

[trail temple]

Enjoy the rest of the season sleeping

[raw jetty]

the major AL update already ruined my AoTN

might as well try again next season

[void zealot]

thank god pvp isn't a real gamemode

[knotty hazel]

thank god pvp is just a illusion

[lusty hill]

How many Janus do you guys have for pvp

I wish they allow duplicate ship in pvp so that I can use all my janus

[hybrid agate]

six

[lusty hill]

that's no janus

:ranchSexCalm:

[distant gulch]

we got the French Janus

we got the Japanese Janus

we got the American Janus

we got the racist Janus

[grim solar]

Racist Janus?

[junior trench]

Wait, why is the Russian one Racist?

[distant gulch]

META is the one that is racist

i completely forgot about the Russian Janus...

[light crystal]

[distant gulch]

11 +13 staag, why

4 +13 sextuple, why

[light crystal]

Now time to make 6 UR 76mm +13's

[distant gulch]

i only did 3

well 3 +13

[stable dawn]

wtf I thought you'd have 19 of the UR AA guns by now smh

[lusty hill]

Broke shikikan

[grim solar]

Less PvP, more OpSi.

[knotty hazel]

operation pvp

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/2-gif-7749019966943875056

how it feels viewing strim for new UR

[lusty hill]

now that janus got an oath skin, which skin would be the best for pvp

[distant gulch]

the one that shows her butt

[void zealot]

#game-feedback message

[grim solar]

Lion will usher in a new PvP era.

The age of RNG is over.

A new meta is upon us.

TRUST.

[void zealot]

the lion does not concern herself with stall

[grim solar]

She will have an ability that nukes American DDs.

[void zealot]

when this ship hits Laffey II or Eldridge, their evasion rate is decreased to 0% and damage dealt will be increased by 300%

[lusty hill]

janus with oath skin will beat lion or laffey II trust

[brazen socket]

hi guys janus has an oath skin now is she meta in pvp?

[jade heart]

Janus is f tier pvp

[stable dawn]

Janus is J tier

she has her own tier because of how powerful she is

[jade heart]

~~ how useless she is ~~

[lusty hill]

Janus my beloved

best pvp ship in the game

laffey II who

only janus is the best

[jade heart]

~~ this is why your never aotn~~

[junior trench]

Next American Ship will then counter it again with its ability "No Tax on Tea", which disables the ability of all enemy British ships

[stable dawn]

next american ship crashes the game, ending all pvp

[junior moss]

no

[gloomy sand]

save us from this hell

please

[junior trench]

Don't worry, the Bri*ish have come to liberate us ||read: colonize||

[lusty hill]

Janus will save us all

[inner mango]

Glazing Janus that much as he sits on the chair as he watches me lewding her

[wary berry]

so you are janus's partner but janus=serenity
so that makes you serenity's partner?

[inner mango]

You have a wild imagination there, but no

He only named himself like that to show how much of a simp he is to the particular boat doesn't mean that he himself is the very manifestation of the thing

[granite fern]

Y'all, how's my excercice fleet?

[vale minnow]

Can be better
What ships do you have available

The gearing is totally wrong tho

[wanton cove]

Why Agir and Roon

[granite fern]

I used Agir as a tank and I have no idea why I used Roon.

Also, I'm not used to using the gear GitHub thing so some stuff might be in the wrong places.

[wanton cove]

Anchorage works better in pvp over agir last I knew

[granite fern]

Been leveling her up for while.

Maybe a week or two she'll be leveled up to 120

[bright mauve]

Juneau works on a budget too

[wanton cove]

Sadly I'm a bad judge for pvp since I haven't pvp in almost 2 years

[granite fern]

Real

[wanton cove]

I believe Laffey 2, Eldridge Retrofit, Harbin and Anchorage are usable

[finite fog]

jintmeta in dossier, work towards that

[bright mauve]

Yeah I'd call those "usable" 🤭

[granite fern]

I ain't got Laffey 2 because I was a few things short of getting her, Eldridge is retrofitted but is like lvl 105, and Harbin I've haven't gotten yet.

[vale minnow]

Level eld asap

She’s a PvP core

[granite fern]

Will do

[vale minnow]

You might be looking at something like jintsuu meta,shima,eld

[granite fern]

I'll start working on that META real soon.

[stable dawn]

wtf is that white torp

[vale minnow]

black dildo got turned into white dildo

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

Did you read the pvp guide that is pinned here?

[lusty hill]

real pvpers don't read

[gloomy sand]

post dock, lets see your URs, Ancho, Eldkai, JintM

[valid oxide]

New HMS BB means teams are back on the table trust (pearls tears warspite 🥀)

[gloomy sand]

still waiting on nom r10 eos

[valid oxide]

I don't play the game enough to do that anymore <//3

I don't even have Alsace/Soyuz so I don't got a tierlist approved ™️ backline

[knotty hazel]

dang

[gloomy sand]

💔

[valid oxide]

Surely I keep up with the meta with sushi NJ kear

(I would consider going for r10 EoS if I could be bothered to re-learn the times for attempts)

[gloomy sand]

musashi nj raffaelo

just need to gear them correctly and you can beat everyone within 5 tries

[lusty hill]

Spreading misinformation strats

[gloomy sand]

well

Not that bad considering his lack of and

[mortal aspen]

not sure raff have some value on pvp. but it's only my point

[valid oxide]

Raff actually better than kear/fdg?

[hybrid agate]

in many ways or another yes but needs UR bulin. Raff works kinda similar to any other UR BB but leans to supporting when kit activates. works better with tanky Vanguard like Stall/Neo-Stall

but of course standard Vanguard is king

[gloomy sand]

Ngl I already forgot about that comp

Still sad after Heisenberg overthrew it

[valid oxide]

i will hold off on 125 until lion to see if she will be any better, but if she isnt then i'll 125 raff

[unkempt vortex]

Mori spotted

also I am already cooked as I have been anyway

[distant gulch]

soon before i can retire

[trail temple]

Inb4 Lion is a big disappointment like Vanguard

[vale minnow]

dw, lion will have screen clear on a 15s proc barrage, while inflicting a -50% damage taken debuff on enemies

i know because i work at manjuu

[valid oxide]

then surely its the DD which changes something (laffii but with a torp nuke trust)

[vale minnow]

+10s invuln when used with manjuu

[valid oxide]

a oneshot barrage which aims at a random enemy (but prioritises bbs starting with mu and ending with sashi)

[vale minnow]

[trail temple]

Make sure to add a Serenity level discription of her skill

[valid oxide]

a skill called "serenity" which gets disabled in pvp

[lusty hill]

Trafalgar is just an AA carry that buff CV

She's like sandy and scylla combined

So yeah she doesn't have any use in pvp

Lion on the other hand looks interesting, she lacks the damage reduction that other BB have but her barrage grows stronger the more BB in the fleet

Not to mention the zombie skill that also triggered the improved barrage

[valid oxide]

i cant tell if you are being serious or are very good at making things up (im going to assume the latter)

[lusty hill]

If you're ever in doubt always ask yourself, what would serenity do? And you shall receive the serenity to make your decision

[valid oxide]

my personal delusions are irrelevant to this conversation though 💔

[distant gulch]

trafalgar will summon her blue [STAND] upon entering the battle and yell "YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US"

then for the next 5s, all your fleet get 15% hp reduction DoT

then she will go naked and summon her red [STAND] and you will get fucked and lose the match

[valid oxide]

dot would get countered by eldkai smh

[lusty hill]

You shouldn't make stuff up

[distant gulch]

shutup janus

or i will make up your anus

[vale minnow]

aight bet

[unkempt vortex]

[whole salmon]

Part of it is but I heard a description of their skills were given in the stream

However considering CN side seems quite pessimistic, it doesn’t seem that well off

Out of the 2, it seems like Lion has better reception

[distant gulch]

just wait until tomorrow lol

[void zealot]

remember: nothing ever happens

[distant gulch]

speculating based on vague description of the ship is so fucking stupid

it's like speculating alsace back then

ZOMG FRENCH BUFFER

but look at where we are now

zzz

[whole salmon]

Even then, part of it is born from the negativity that pvp has been stagnant for the last

About a year now

Not a single UR since then managed to reach pvp relevancy

[steel coral]

they just lack imagination

[whole salmon]

The closest one is Raffelo but she only served as substitute

And the occasional CV fleet with Amagi

So people were expecting their next big hit

[distant gulch]

mostly because pvp isn't something that a big portion of players pay attention to

dev clearly putting new ships on w15 orientated

all of the newer ships have been w15 focused

[whole salmon]

For pve scene, every new UR contributes

For pvp scene, every new UR substitute

[distant gulch]

dead game mechanic

[stable dawn]

the negativity didn't come from stagnation lol

it was always there, and it predates us even

if anything, the sheet has greatly reduced the overall negative view of pvp, but the community at large continues to view it with general distaste

[distant thorn]

Can someone tell me the current meta fleet + gear on them. Images ain't loading on the doc for me. 🙏

[grim solar]

@distant thorn

[distant thorn]

Thanks

[finite fog]

[grim solar]

NT?

[stable dawn]

where is the pearl

[steel coral]

[gloomy sand]

where are the images

[mortal aspen]

so no magnetic torps

[trail temple]

The KMS magnetic torps suck in pvp, compared to the tea torps

[unkempt vortex]

Mag torps are alright, but are considered second best because of fewer dmg stat, despite how better on paper magnetic torp is, in situations where the backline never moves, its gives it more leeway than the mag torps to begin with, because you barely fight anyone with Heavy hulled Vanguard ships to begin with, unless they only flex or just not a pvp oriented fleet

[wary berry]

if tmr's ship turns out to be pvp meta, then this season will be decided by who 125 mlbs and maxxes out their skills first

[distant gulch]

nah

[vale minnow]

nah

unless shes gamebreaking meta

[wary berry]

what happened last year during alsace then?

alsace is part of the top meta team now right

[vale minnow]

people leveled her and found out she was good

and then they did a lot of tests and concluded she was good

also just exp book her to 125 and then spam 12h books

[distant gulch]

people were still using NJ, and still won

[wary berry]

but will you win now if you use nj instead of alsace against an alsace team? how did they win back then

[distant gulch]

through rng you will win

doesnt matter how good their alsace is

you just reset until your vanguard torpedo 1shot their BB from the first second

[vale minnow]

through skill

[unkempt vortex]

it is rng, you either get bursted down, or getting outlasted is what always happens on PVP, so typically RNG at this point

[distant gulch]

altho alsace burn is pretty nasty lol

i think it removed fortune very fast

people came back to the Jesus Juneau

🫃🏻 then eldridge bitch came along

[unkempt vortex]

Eldridge Retro on a Prowler slighlty helped Alsace to be put down a bit, but not as much, that burn still hurts as hell, considering the META ships are almost all Light Hulled Ships, excluding ones like Anchor

[vale minnow]

oh shi

bayard is light btw

i forgot its a new seaz, time to rearm i guess

[unkempt vortex]

well shit

[gloomy sand]

evasion good

rudder core

[vale minnow]

We ball

[jade heart]

Gamer

Wait why is laff 2 not tank

[vale minnow]

because jim is cool

[jade heart]

[gloomy sand]

Jimmy

[junior trench]

But what if I use WaSDE instead?

[dark lotus]

Why is sandbagging called sandbagging? Where did that term come from?

[stable dawn]

boxing

[sudden spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/CSzfZMQ.png

[dark lotus]

But you're not playing below skill level. It's the opposite, if anything. You're waiting for higher ranked opponents.

I don't see how the term applies whatsoever in any way.

[fresh dove]

I think it's called sandbag because you let people attack you first just like how sandbag absorbs damages

[dark lotus]

That is more plausible

[steel coral]

its score sandbagging not about skill

intentionally holding 5 attacks to get more points throughout the season

[late heath]

What if you sandbag because you have skill issues

[vale minnow]

i love men

[dark lotus]

What if pvp was a real game mode that wasn't rng for people to do their exercises for you to fight the exact same fleets over and over to get more points.

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/memeblog-gachi-gif-18207743

[stable dawn]

wish granted. Now it's total rng except you have to pay pyro for more attempts

[jade heart]

[brazen socket]

wake up pvpers

new ur bb that has an early barrage launch

[stable dawn]

One damage

[steel coral]

early bit of dmg to proc eldy but, unlike alsace, can take hits

[brazen socket]

yes yes

she has nice defense buffs

and 3 debuffs

general dmg taken increase, general crit dmg taken increase, general crit rate taken increase

[gloomy sand]

fire and ice

heisenberg got competition

[deft escarp]

Damn

I hope I lucksack her

[gloomy sand]

[deft escarp]

So I can save for BRS collab

[worldly vault]

you dont need to pull brs ships

[deft escarp]

I'm not pulling them for PvP

[wary berry]

BRS collab ships are free giveaway via missions, no banner

[deft escarp]

They're free?

When are they coming?

[wary berry]

5th june

[deft escarp]

So I don't need pulls to get all of them at all?

[wary berry]

there are only 2 ships and no you dont need to pull for them

[neat atlas]

boys and girls, how does this look for PvP

[valid oxide]

It looks like something serenity would cook from their delusions (in a good way)

[light crystal]

hey guys, is lion meta

[distant gulch]

Soyuz finally kicked off by Lion?

find out in the next episode of Dragon Ball Z: Azur Lane

[valid oxide]

And I'll still be stuck using NJ because no Alsace or Soyuz 💔

[vale minnow]

not soy

[distant gulch]

soy

[lusty hill]

It's over for musashi

Vanguard 2 is here

[whole salmon]

For now, there’s a lot of potential

But we’ll see

[valid oxide]

Better not be a sushi replacement or I'm still cooked in the meta 💔

[void zealot]

lion is a janus replacement

[whole salmon]

It feels like Lion is specifically made to counter pvp ships

Guess devs finally heard our prayers

Skill 1 of Lion proc damage over time similar to burn. This multiple hit attack would work well against Laffey

Skill 3 of Lion of increased eva, decreasing torp crit rate and torp crit damage is aimed at countering Jintsuu Meta

Normally in pve, that skill would have no use

So for once, an actual pvp ship

[whole salmon]

Play style wise, it is similar role to Alsace currently with the early barrage and burn inflict

The real question is whether the skill 3 makes her tanky enough to be worth it over Musashi

Either way, really exciting

Tho you could go for a damage focus comp and combo Lion and Alsace for maximum vanguard wiping

[void zealot]

yap

[whole salmon]

[lusty hill]

Musashi is no more

Musashi do nothing other than fat tank

Outdamage by literally every UR BB after her

[whole salmon]

Weapon wise, MK2 seems quite good

Slightly faster than MK7 currently

The real issue is whether people would actually spend plates on this or just stick with already enhanced MK7

[distant gulch]

your mama no more

[whole salmon]

Man

360 gold plates for 0.7 seconds of upgrade

[stable dawn]

she has a perma burn debuff, that's a massive buff to alsace

[whole salmon]

I’ll do it anyways for the memes

But mbruh it is barely any faster

[stable dawn]

riche alsus lion

[distant gulch]

i havent +13 my 3rd mk7, so im good

[stable dawn]

🔥 🔥

[whole salmon]

The DD seems like a w15 ship

So a bit less relevant

[stable dawn]

2% AA debuff

[trail temple]

People needed help with w15?

[stable dawn]

she seems more like a wacky gimmick bosser that will hard counter some future META boss and be worthless against anything else

[whole salmon]

I think most people would just keep Laffey for that role

[distant gulch]

traf made aurora obsolete

but will she make the current triple dd obsolete?

jk 2 dd+ 1 cl

🫃🏼

[stable dawn]

she can finally replace natsu in peroro torment

[trail temple]

https://tenor.com/view/natsu-blue-archive-dance-buruaka-yutori-natsu-gif-10586683644188636625

[brazen socket]

Hi guys is hermes meta

[void zealot]

they're adding hyacine to pvp btw

[brazen socket]

I hope shes banned in that mode

Ica would eat the ships

[void zealot]

#fatfucksupremacy

[brazen socket]

Notice how I didnt say "little"

[void zealot]

read that again

[brazen socket]

Ica is too controversial for a mode like pvp

[void zealot]

another team comp serenity loses to

[lusty hill]

Lolicon

[brazen socket]

Will serenity win against Lion

[void zealot]

the lion does not concern herself with serenity

[trail temple]

Serenity would lose

And then take his frustrations out on poor little anime girls

[void zealot]

little agir walls serenity

[brazen socket]

REACT with if you think Lion is better than Serenity

[manic prism]

was about to say shima dead with -30% trp crit dmg, but then i realized it was just crit dmg

[distant gulch]

wolf gets turned into a teenage girl love fan fiction vs a shiny vampire

[lusty hill]

the wolf get bitches while the lion get clowned

[distant gulch]

... do you realize the vampire won the chick battle

https://tenor.com/view/deep-magic-lion-witch-narnia-dont-recite-gif-14879671

[lusty hill]

eww you unironically watched the show

[tired star]

the wolf became obedient dog after receiving a piece of meat or something

[distant gulch]

no but my classmates wouldn't stop talking about it and they were kinda hot so i gotta pretend i was interested

[jade heart]

Chat is there a possible new pvp meta

[distant gulch]

yes, everyone disarm meta

[jade heart]

What are you serenity

[lusty hill]

go hit the gym

[distant gulch]

no

[jade heart]

Hit the gym

[distant gulch]

no

[jade heart]

Yes

[stable dawn]

oh is this why they're called exercises

[trail temple]

Js, you do have the weakest pvper ever telling you to hit the gym

[jade heart]

Yes

Serenity is pepega

[junior trench]

Thoughts on Glowworm Retro in terms of PvP? Her skill specifically targeting the opponent with the lowest health could be interesting.

[distant gulch]

free win for your opponent

[junior trench]

Tbf, she gets invul after her headbutt

[distant gulch]

yeah and then what

let your team eat the torpedo point blank? lol

[lusty hill]

Mogador died so glowworm could live

[junior trench]

What if a backline ship has the lowest HP?:

[distant gulch]

[junior trench]

[distant gulch]

using glowworm would mean booting one of laffey, jintsuuM or eldridge

booting jintsuu would mean your vanguard is hitting like a wet noodle

booting laffey would mean you are not winning the long fight

booting eldridge would mean you are giving up the rng and vanguard eHP buff entirely

[wary berry]

so, who does lion replace? alsace or musashi or soyuz in tier 0 fleet

[distant gulch]

ask again in 2 weeks

[void zealot]

this dude is fuckin allergic to waiting or something

[valid oxide]

Surely she can be my 3rd BB finally (still stuck with NJ though 🥀)

[bright mauve]

@lusty hill Can you please speak on Lions viability since Mori is gatekeeping it behind a 2 week time capsule

[valid oxide]

Lion less viable than Janus, easy skip

[stable dawn]

glowworm will be good when they release Bismarck Drei

[light crystal]

So if Al sauce stays, who gets the boot. Soy sauce?

[lusty hill]

a good rule of thumb in pvp is to see whether shiburin uses her or not

the top player have faster adoption of new meta than the sheet editor that tests it

[ornate cosmos]

Do u think both trafalgar and lion could be pvp meta..hmmm

[whole salmon]

Lion yes, Trafalgar no

There’s not nearly enough HMS ships in use in pvp for Trafalgar to be useful

And even then, you aren’t going to replace current frontline lineup for her

[zinc phoenix]

current vg seems really strong with a bunch of useful stuff for pvp

so traf doesn't seem good enough. Lion though has barrage at start, prob a slash shape, and great numbers and helpful skills

[whole salmon]

And even if hypothetically Lion coming in somehow discourages the use of some other frontline ships

We still have ships in the pipeline like Juneau to take their spot

[lusty hill]

juneau

[zinc phoenix]

honestly lion looks pretty amazing for pvp

[inner mango]

She's that PvP reliable?

[stable dawn]

that's because it's me bro

I am shiburin

[distant gulch]

shiburin best girl

https://tenor.com/view/dersute-rin-shibuya-rin-run-speed-gif-15683620502102445880

[trail temple]

Serenity really is clueless

To the surprise of ABSOLUTELY no one

[knotty cave]

I was just coming here to ask about Lion, and now I'm more confused than before I came here.

[junior trench]

Technically still winning though with the upcoming oath skin

Win by doing nothing

[trail temple]

Too late, Cult took her

[trail temple]

She's been released on EN servers for less than 12 hours (as of writing this), we only have speculations on her performance, nothing concrete (i.e. real tests)

[knotty cave]

I meant the gif above

I know there's nothing definitive yet.

[trail temple]

Pvp channel shenanigans, pay it no mind

[knotty cave]

So anyway, is it likely she'll be replacing one of the current ships, assuming her skills work out as they seem to?

[ornate cosmos]

Got it..thanks..hmm but to who lion will replace..that needs some tests to see yea?

[whole salmon]

There’s positions so far that’s up for grabs

Lion is basically a Musashi mixed with an Alsace

It is difficult to determine which she will replace currently

It depends on what you value

[stable dawn]

replace both of them and run raff in third slot

[lusty hill]

Lion is musashi that aren't forced to equip shit gun

[light crystal]

hey guys is traffy meta

[trail temple]

Isn't*

Ftfy

[brazen socket]

But what if I added a 4th vanguard slot

And have all 4 of them

[distant gulch]

then i would use mutsuki

mutsuki and gang gonna kick yo ass

[stable dawn]

mutsuki op

https://tenor.com/view/mutsuki-blue-archive-dance-aru-gif-17041885297907705452

[wary berry]

wont you lose out on dmg by switching soyuz for rafaello? or does this fleet also perform the same since raffs bb buff balance out her lack of dmg

[distant gulch]

this is free win

[inner mango]

Lion good on PvP?

[gloomy sand]

not bad if properly geared
then again, ppl just use what they like

and doesn't look like maxed fleet anyway

soyuz might've been on pve duty atm

[lusty hill]

What's the best gear skin for lion in pvp?

[distant gulch]

BUCK NAKED

[gloomy sand]

the tights she's wearing atm

Anything else is irrelevant

[hardy kernel]

Guys, I've fallen off.

I was navy admiral, and now I'm just a seaman

[distant gulch]

you can say

you're a man of sea now

[lusty hill]

deep down we're all seaman

[vale minnow]

can you take my seaman

[jade heart]

Give me aqullia then I will

[wary berry]

I have a good chance at getting under 1k rank this season, should I save 5 spare attempts for later use? (is that what sandbagging is?)

[distant gulch]

sound rather pointless sandbagging just to aim ~1k rank

just use your attempts and dont worry about the rank

[wary berry]

ill get 1000 extra merit via promotion if I get under 1k tho...

ok, ill use them

[finite fog]

you get 1000 extra merit if you hit under 1k after captain rank which is 1050 points

[wary berry]

yea ik, i always hit the points but i cant get under 1k...

this time im not overcapping so i think ive a chance

[dark lotus]

If you don't overcap you should always get past rank 1000, that's a very not high bar. That's like the default position for if you do pvp regularly

[lusty hill]

do the rushing strats

[jade heart]

I forgot to pvp before bed and over capped

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/man-free-man-freedom-free-chain-gif-2032133702890087634

[fresh dove]

what if they always attack the last place

[dark lotus]

Probably still end up above rank 1000. There aren't that many people that do all their exercises.

[ornate cosmos]

If i use lion on pvp..who am i to replace..alsace or soyuz

[distant gulch]

dont use her

[ornate cosmos]

Ohh ok ok i see

[ornate cosmos]

Does rafaello usable on pvp tho

[distant gulch]

if you have no one better

[ornate cosmos]

Hmm i see..well in using the sushi alsace soyuz combo

[distant gulch]

then keep those 3

[ornate cosmos]

Thanks alot..for vanguard pvp eldridge kai laff ii and jintM yea?

[distant gulch]

yes

[lusty hill]

What strats is this

[distant gulch]

strat of common sense

[valid oxide]

Strat of not using ship with 2 lv1 skills

[valid oxide]

Lions timed barrage also only hits 2 backliners I hate it 💔

[lusty hill]

The timed barrage doesn't do much damage anyway

It's only for her to get damage reduction

[steel coral]

at lvl 7 it's burning for 1k

at lvl 10 it'll be as much as mk7 alsace

[distant gulch]

but who do we kick off

[steel coral]

not soyuz

[distant gulch]

feel like current triple is too much of a core to kick them out

[ornate lake]

Well

Lion is unstoppable

Burn apply on CV under masking for 1.2k damage per tick

[hardy kernel]

I do

But that's if I'm really motivated

And my run is 100% winrate

[lusty hill]

🦁

[bright mauve]

Every ship in azur lane or 1 billion lions

[flint python]

Musashi

[knotty hazel]

1 commander 1 lion campaign

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/獅白ぼたん-ホロライブ-shishiro-botan-shishiro-botan-gif-26632740

[jade heart]

So Is lion official pvp meta

~~ more importantly has Janus gotten lion yet~~

[vale minnow]

Hard to test with lvl 5 skills

[junior moss]

where ur skillbook , mine is at 7/7/7 iirc

[junior moss]

wait, tf why 2 aquila??????!!!!

[jade heart]

Im still parying on ww

[wicked surge]

Clownrenity at it again, the past few days he was trying to say Bismarck zwei damage was bad

[lusty hill]

[hasty kiln]

bro wot

[vale minnow]

[whole salmon]

Yeah, Lion’s barrage isn’t affected by hit. As long as it physically makes contact, it will burn

This means that it doesn’t care about concealment

It doesn’t care about enemy evasion

It basically auto applies burn as long as it makes contact

Furthermore, burn tic is greater than Richelieu

[distant gulch]

she can burn me

[whole salmon]

Also another thing of note

Enemies that are burnt that dies will spread that fire

This also applies to summons

Like those of Laffey 2

So if Laffey summons 2 rabbits and then those rabbits got burnt and later dies, the burn will spread again

Essentially giving Lion infinite duration burn in pvp

[lusty hill]

Please grow and change as a person

[distant gulch]

your mother

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/bang-dream-bandori-its-mygo-mygo-shiina-taki-gif-6888718102076676180

[lusty hill]

Very cute

Who is she

[distant gulch]

someone out of your league

[stable dawn]

how broken do you think Lion will be? Some people are proposing dropping all defensive options and maxing out dps because she will guarantee your team is dead within 30s

[gloomy sand]

all in

[distant gulch]

trade alsace for lion?

[stable dawn]

no, alsace will be necessary

everyone slower will be culled

WE GO FULL DPS.
TORPMEMES
PURPLE GUN SOYUZ
KILL THE ENEMY BEFORE THEY CAN KILL YOU.

[distant gulch]

but alsace is the slowest after her preload

[stable dawn]

you won't have a second salvo

if everyone is dead at 15s

[distant gulch]

but lion wont be able to shoot before 15s

[stable dawn]

it's not her gun. Her barrage is preload and does massive DoT

[distant gulch]

oh is it

[stable dawn]

I'd honestly consider running a slow rainbow gun on her just to max out FP stat

MOAR DAMAGE

don't even need to fire

just nuke them with the barrage

[distant gulch]

ah special I

booting musashi?

kinda fragile backline

[stable dawn]

not just musashi, booting all stall options

why use laffey II if she burns to death in 15s

[gloomy sand]

all in

[stable dawn]

why use eldy if she instantly dies after her invuln expires

[gloomy sand]

is it time for yamato gun

[stable dawn]

kill them before they kill you. It is the only option.

[distant gulch]

shimakaze back on the menu

[stable dawn]

Aquila too

win by 15s

[distant gulch]

jinM shima noshiroU? lol

fuck

🫃🏼

[stable dawn]

we need a fatter nuke than that

bring back Harbin

[gloomy sand]

wait, no manjuu?

[stable dawn]

no pearl either

[gloomy sand]

hyperaggression is back

never thought id see the day

[distant gulch]

🫃🏼 feel like this vanguard isn't gonna function as properly in practice

[vale minnow]

atp js install 9999 hit hack

[versed geyser]

All rainbow guns should have 65 FP so just put the faster one on her

[stable dawn]

but it's funnier if she never ever fires

and you win anyway

no hpfcr or table, just slap on double shells

[valid oxide]

wait am i hearing that i need to spend bulins on shima now <//3

i am truly devastated

[inner mango]

Lion good on PvP yet?

[ornate lake]

She is a fcking death star

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/death-star-gif-14758637425007366681

[mossy tulip]

Wait who does lion push out? Alsace? Soyuz?

[ornate lake]

Try everything, replace sashi, souyz and alsace, and see what's better

[mossy tulip]

Damn that strong huh?

[stable dawn]

Lion replaces all backliners. She is all you need

[valid oxide]

Can she replace front liners?

[stable dawn]

[lusty hill]

Lion replace musashi obviously

She's got nothing to offer now that lion exists

Prove me wrong

[valid oxide]

Serenity is all I need to say 💔

[lusty hill]

Serenity takes the wheel

[whole salmon]

I’m still unsure about the full impact she will make, if it is a noticeable then dropping Laffey might be a possibility

CN is thinking of Lion Alsace Soyuz

Frontline is full torp meme

As in the actual full

With Jintsuu Retro, Ayanami Retro and Augment

[steel coral]

yeah I wanna try aya or yuudachi torp meme

[valid oxide]

Times like these are times where I am glad I used to no-life this game and have Aya retro w/ aug at 125 🥀

[shell raft]

The return of torpmemes with Lion That's an interesting development

[lusty hill]

How is lion is laffey killer

If alsace burn don't to anything to laffey then lion won't do anything either

[whole salmon]

Being able to bypass enemy’s EVA would do that to you. Alsace still requires hit, Lion just applies burn on everyone

Not to mention Lion’s burn is actually better than Richelieu’s due to having 1 extra tic

Add in the fact that you don’t need to reapply burn due to the burn spreading mechanic upon death of Laffey’s summons

And you get constant tic damage on Laffey that deals like 1k per burn

[stable dawn]

lion's burn isn't classified as a burn debuff, so it ignores all mitigation lol

not sure if bug or intended behaviour

[whole salmon]

Laffey would be dead during the 15 sec barrage

Since Eldridge’s invul time is up

Since the burn is guaranteed

[stable dawn]

my god she's the jade druid

if you make it to turn 8, you auto win

[whole salmon]

I think it can auto spot CVs as well

And due to how big the range is, it hits everything

Frontline, backline

Doesn’t matter high eva stat, doesn’t matter eva rate of smoke, doesn’t matter concealment

[stable dawn]

only option left is to stack dps and preloads

and cope your enemy dies before you do

[whole salmon]

Not to mention Lion acts like a buffer

And since her burn hits everything

It is kinda like having a Vanguard buff that is always on

Add to that Musashi level survivability

[stable dawn]

that is a neat idea
abandon soyuz third member
just put on vanguard as damage amp

Alsace Lion Vanguard

win by 15s or press reset button

[whole salmon]

Richelieu, Alsace, Lion

“How fast can Laffey die”

[stable dawn]

[distant gulch]

death of littleturd laffey

[valid oxide]

I am displeased by this turn of events

Laffii was the only thing holding me together 💔

[whole salmon]

Jokes aside

I think Laffey will still perform fine

She isn’t going to die off like Fortune Meta

But she will have a harder time going forward

It simply opened up more competition

[mossy tulip]

Torp meme with eldridge might be the play?

Or go more glass cannon and throw in shima?

[inner mango]

is she now?

[wary berry]

time to raise ayanami then, didnt have lafii in the first place anyways

[light crystal]

Actually lost a bout

Will Richelieu make a comeback?

Is there anything that protects against burns? Might actually be a tech option now if so...

[junior trench]

Why does Z52 have “Charlie Chaplin” as a nickname?

I don’t understand the parallel between the two

[distant gulch]

tier EX item?

[junior trench]

I imagine against specific teams maybe. But unless a burn team becomes the defacto team. In which case the I’m going to expect to see a lot of counter meta fleet that are specifically resistant to burn.

[ornate lake]

Kinda

[wicked surge]

Lmao then they get shot to pieces by a 10% buffed 170% lion

[stable dawn]

the best way to counter burn is to kill the enemy team before the burn kills you

[junior trench]

I mean, yeah, sort of the point though, DoT is an effect that is fairly easily countered by straight damage. And someone can run a couple extinguishers and call it there.

[stable dawn]

so far it seems lion's burn has 100% hit rate and cannot be mitigated

it is unknown if this is a bug

[hybrid agate]

[junior trench]

The thing is, there’s team presented above is relying on multiple different burn sources. So at the very least you’d only have to deal with Lion’s burn.

[light crystal]

It better be, cuz it seems dumb so far

[inner mango]

🐌

[worldly ore]

There should be some ship skills that can put out fires

[whole salmon]

At this point I say perhaps CN was ahead of us by a year

They already used Richelieu, Alsace, Soyuz, Eldridge, Shimakaze, Jintsuu M a while back

[mossy tulip]

Fu Shun's time has finally come

[versed geyser]

If only she fired her burning barrage at the start of the battle

[whole salmon]

Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like Lionflame is actually a burn type damage

It behaves like a burn but it doesn’t seem to be recognized as a burn ingame

[mossy tulip]

Fu Shun had a good run

PVP relevant for 30 seconds in my mind.

[versed geyser]

Lion’s burn is the one that does the most damage, so not mitigating that is kinda pointless

[mossy tulip]

I'm guessing WNT doesnt affect Lions burn?

[whole salmon]

Back then, the way to mitigate burn is that just don’t get hit

[versed geyser]

It’s still damage so probably does

[whole salmon]

Since both Alsace and Richelieu are required to actually hit the enemy to inflict burn

And we have plenty of ways to avoid that

Through speed and dodge, evasion gear stacking, eldridge invul, etc

Then came Lion, barrage range is the entire screen, ignores eva and concealment, auto hit upon contact

And may even hit before Eldridge even proc her invul

And proc again after Eldridge’s invul runs out

It just feels hella convenient

[light crystal]

Probably bugged.
But as will all things PvP, unlikely to ever get patched as being low prio

Hopefully Azur Promilia's PvP will get more love from Manjuu than AL's ever did

[wicked surge]

They prob treat it as a status effect like Helena debuff. Since her burn comes from her stacks

We can call it poison

[lusty hill]

it's so over for musashi

musashi who

[stable dawn]

I think Lion is a sign. We will get Yamato this year then the game will go eos by 2026

since AP is self published, Manjuu is likely itching to get out of running AL under Yostar

[lusty hill]

I hope when the game eos I will get refund for all the skin I bought

[late heath]

We getting UR Kashino

[junior trench]

Sucks for me because I don’t have Alsace

[junior trench]

Tbh, I hope they don’t ditch AL. The reason I like AL so much is the connection to Naval History.

[valid oxide]

i like it because peeveepee and gambling

[lusty hill]

God give the eos to the strongest gambler

[grim solar]

[valid oxide]

im not ready for this meta if it means i gotta raise shima <//3

[junior trench]

Jintsuu META ruining the Swimsuit team by not having a swimsuit

[grim solar]

[hybrid agate]

I'm thinking of putting Noshiro so we can have a complete swimsuit fleet

[junior trench]

Laffey 2? Or no? Because IIRC Laffey has a swimsuit

[hybrid agate]

[junior trench]

Just don’t wanna use Laffey?

[hybrid agate]

She doesn't have a swimsuit, only bunny girl skin

[junior trench]

She’d be able to equip OG Laffey skins

Regardless, I just realized OG Laffey seemingly doesn’t have a swimsuit

That’s weird, because I’m fairly certain all the other starters do.

[hybrid agate]

[junior trench]

Anchorage has swimsuit of course. Idk if you have her’s though

Since it’s still event limited

[hybrid agate]

I have Ancho swimsuit skin

I'll think about it

[stable dawn]

the greatest shame is the fact META ships cannot use their normal counterparts' skins

[junior trench]

I just realized, this backline is managing to combine the two groups who hate each other the most: the British and the French.

Truly groundbreaking

Managing to get the two to work together

[whole salmon]

Frontline

Increase torp meme potential

Noshiro, Ayanami Reto Aug, Jintsuu Retro

Who needs survivability

[junior trench]

This is gonna get blown up

[whole salmon]

To quote the Hunger Games

“If we burn, you burn with us”

[valid oxide]

gets oneshot but also takes out like 2 backliners surely

[steel coral]

aya gonna whiff into the invincible vanguard and then whole team blows up

[junior trench]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-no-u-no-you-reverse-uno-uno-gif-22508660

[whole salmon]

I think there was a funny test from CN that prove a single torp was able to 1 shot a Shinano

[valid oxide]

CVs in the big 25 though 💔

[junior trench]

With Lion though, how do y’all expect the frontlines to change?

[whole salmon]

Lion’s barrage being able to spot killed all hopes of CVs lmao

Stupid burn hit through concealment

[junior trench]

If frontline will change at all

[valid oxide]

they just gotta release 3 BBVs with built in avgas and a lion barrage each surely

[steel coral]

what about lion/vanguard/alsace fleet?

[junior trench]

Like, do you think we’ll see less of the dodge tank vanguards since Lion can pierce through that?

[steel coral]

lion and alsace already burning everyone plus vanguard buffing torps and gives lion fp buff

[junior trench]

IIRC, isn’t the reason to use Rich to activate one of Alsace’s skills?

Yeah, French teammates help her buff her Holy Judgement Barrage

Or wait, no that’s a vanguard nvm

[valid oxide]

its because rich has a unique burn with decent damage + buffs french people

[junior trench]

No, wait I remember, it’s just for the straight buff Rich gives

[valid oxide]

also silly preloads beloved

[junior trench]

I mean, I guess it depends on how much more damage Rich is enabling vs Van

[steel coral]

man I'm not reading these YuGiOh ass skills, someone else figure this out

[junior trench]

You think this is bad? You should play Fire Emblem Heroes

Literally a full length essay for each skill in that game

I’m literally not even exaggerating, they’re actually essay length

Anyway, back on topic, what would I be able to do with Lion then without Alsace? Since I don’t have her.

[valid oxide]

she can replace alsace

(im assuming you have sushi and soyuz)

[junior trench]

No to either actually
Though I'm hoping to get Sushi when she becomes permanent soon

[valid oxide]

vanguard nj lion (purest copium)

you probably want wnt though

[junior trench]

I should already have it on some one, can't remember who though

[valid oxide]

when i say you want wnt i mean you want it on flag for the passive

[junior trench]

Who would Musashi be replacing after I get her, NJ I assume?

[valid oxide]

nj or vanguard

replace nj with warkai for snipe team trust

[junior trench]

And then use Glowworm Retro to headbutt into the backline to the sniped ship

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

[valid oxide]

nah, frontline already dead from lion dot

[junior trench]

Here's my thoughts on this: a zombie tank as a counter pick. It sounds wacky but idk, I think it could help deal with the DoT.

Was trying to think outside of the box. Doubt it'd work though.

[valid oxide]

all the zombie tanks are ass

[junior trench]

How dare you, Minnie is so cool

[steel coral]

birmingham

[junior trench]

Also, isn't Neptune technically a zombie tank? I forget the requirements for her heal

Since she was always worse Minnie until recently

[valid oxide]

25% self heal when falling below 20%

also gets a 5% barrier every 10s

[junior trench]

To be totally serious, I'm certain there'll need to be some outside the box thinking to have a Vanguard that can deal with Lion

[steel coral]

or yknow, just keep using eldridge

[junior trench]

Won't she just hit through Eldridge?

[finite fog]

[valid oxide]

eldridge still stops the damage from the burn, its just that she cant stop the burn being applied

(she also stops the normal burn sources from things not named lion)

[junior trench]

Hold up, off topic, but I just had a brain blast; I hope they give Lion a Safari skin at some point.

[distant gulch]

no

she will get a naked apron skin and that's it

[stable dawn]

we need a pirate skin for Lion

[grim solar]

YES PLEASE.

[distant gulch]

[lusty hill]

Furry

[junior trench]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-no-you-no-u-uno-reverse-card-no-u-uno-reverse-gif-25230405

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/pointed-nose-dog-nose-dog-dog-pointed-dog-dog-smell-gif-8368977857789757078

not even your fellow dog wanna go near u

[sudden spoke]

[inner mango]

[sudden spoke]

Do i even have to say it.

[lusty hill]

should I eos this season? :serenity: for yes :ca: for no

[gloomy sand]

[whole salmon]

@stable dawn can you double check for me. It seems like Lion’s burn is bypassing Musashi’s damage reduction

I seem to be doing 1.3k per tic on both enemy Musashi and Alsace

Despite Musashi having damage reduction should reduce it

Either way, very interesting

This means Lion’s own damage reduction might not work against an enemy Lion

[whole salmon]

Both Musashi and Alsace got hit with 1342 burn damage

Musashi reduces regular burn but not Lion’s burn

Congrats Lion, you bypassed evasion stat/rate, bypassed concealment and now you bypassed damage reduction

[distant gulch]

does it bypass fire extinguisher

[whole salmon]

I think it does since it doesn’t count as burn

Dunno if this is intentional

Currently it seems to bypass a lot of things

Luckily it seems Eldridge’s Operation Rainbow does stop the burn from being applied

However if the burn is hit before Eldridge procs, the burn would stick even tho no damage is taken

Normally this wouldn’t be an issue but since Lion’s burn spreading mechanic, the burn from the first barrage come back to burn the vanguard again after Laffey’s bunny summons are killed

[distant gulch]

so basically laffey2 is gonna be kicked out of meta 100% lul

eldridge stays i guess

[gloomy sand]

ARSE variant meta

[distant gulch]

i need to raise another torpedo ship

both my harbin and ayanami are only at 120

fuck it i'll use shimakaze

[whole salmon]

https://streamable.com/qjtmvd

Here’s a quick test if anyone is interested

Keep in mind that Lion isn’t maxed

And that this is only testing Lion replacing Alsace

Eventually we’ll get to Lion replacing Musashi or some combo with torp meme

https://streamable.com/v34os5

Opponent’s

[junior trench]

So, who do we think is replacing Laffey?

[whole salmon]

Judging by fleet power, and the fact they have pearl, seems to be decently geared

[distant gulch]

a torpedo ship

[whole salmon]

I can’t tell exact gear due to them using skins

But considering the fact they oneshotted my Lion in the last test vid

[junior trench]

Ibuki time

[whole salmon]

It seems that their gear is pvp sufficient

Either way, Lion performed well enough

[distant gulch]

bruh the vanguard just melt

and when the vanguard is all gone the backline is 50% dead already lol

[whole salmon]

On CN side, who has much better testing

Rafff said “I have never seen such high win rate on an offensive fleet in almost a year”

In referenced to Lion comps

So yeah, use Lion

[distant gulch]

yeah but when def starts using lion too......

._.

it's gonna be fucking cancer

[vale minnow]

[whole salmon]

If Eldridge proc early, at 15 sec they die

If Eldridge proc late, they are at near death right from beginning and die at 15 sec anyways

[distant gulch]

🫃🏼 i just noticed i overcapped because i didnt do pvp this reset

ligma ballz

[whole salmon]

And yeah once mirror matches starts happening it would be more interesting

Hopefully a counter appear soon

[languid plank]

i got these 3 and i need to remove one for plymouth, who is best to remove for? i guess musashi needs to keep hers but wha abou the other 2?

[whole salmon]

Soyuz

Then use USS craftable DD gun on her

[languid plank]

which one is that, this?

[whole salmon]

No need to +13

Just leave at +10

It can function well enough

[flint python]

gear leaked

[languid plank]

ty

[wicked surge]

All those +12 plyguns can make a man cry

[languid plank]

?

[wicked surge]

The biggest bump in power comes from +13

So having 1 +13 is often worth more then 2 +12

[languid plank]

well i never did opsi so thats why all gear is at 12

[void zealot]

well stop doing that then

[brazen socket]

Laffii replaced? Cvs have a chance-

Oh wait lion bypasses conceal

What comps is cn testing for lion?

[lusty hill]

Do opsi

[valid oxide]

If we switch to torp meme does that mean silly fortune meta is back on the table

[hybrid agate]

she's going to die to BB preloads

[whole salmon]

https://streamable.com/iqjdz5

https://streamable.com/z6j22w

https://streamable.com/hhz7gp

[worldly ore]

So Lion always has to be flagship for the barrage?

[valid oxide]

i could be wrong but im guessing flag with pearl like alsace used to

[whole salmon]

Wait you lot are running Pearl on Alsace?

[whole salmon]

This dude was running it too

Is this some weird tech I don’t know about

[distant gulch]

i run pearl alsace, but not flag

no one better to put pearl on in the previous meta

[gloomy sand]

makes sense when alsus is the first to die most of the time

[distant gulch]

ye soyuz get the fairy, sushi beaver

and frontline... wasted on any of the 3 lol

[lusty hill]

Alsace don't have damage reduction so she's usually the first one to die

Also her job is done the moment her preload fired

[vale minnow]

hows lion looking?

[trail temple]

It's been a thing for about 6 months

[valid oxide]

evil

[vale minnow]

[valid oxide]

strategic oaths

[whole salmon]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Q2jVzjEKU/?spm_id_from=333.1387.list.card_archive.click

Early CN test

The defense is CN speciality, it isn't common on EN

Therefore, the offense is geared against that

However, even if you do run Soyuz instead of NJ, you can still look at the gear they are running to adjust accordingly

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-stare-serious-gif-15710427

[whole salmon]

Although I say it is uncommon

It seems like EN is heading towards that direction again

After a year of us saying CN is wack for running burn comp with torp meme frontline

We end up running burn comp with torp meme frontline

[steel coral]

richi burn meme