pvp

[autumn yacht]

This will work

[half silo]

Bulin even better

[autumn yacht]

I forgot to buy her(Mog) gun

[void zealot]

L

[lusty hill]

would you rather take a business advice from a businessman from 90 year ago, or a businessman of today

[trail temple]

Would you rather deez nuts?

[lusty hill]

I'd listen to shebainu or falulu for pvp advice

[half silo]

Disarm that backline

[void zealot]

buli

[stable dawn]

idk, why do so many people take business advice from a guy who never worked in his life

[autumn yacht]

I want to flex

[half silo]

Then flex with deez

[finite fog]

that 125 tashkent looks scary

[half silo]

mb, take something less leveled

[autumn yacht]

She have ASW

[trail temple]

ASW is a useful stat in PvP

[half silo]

smh submarines are now useless in pvp

literally unplayable

since bb meta

[stable dawn]

I can't believe soyuz barrage reveals submarines

too op

[autumn yacht]

Would be funny if I have some spare rainbow dd gun to put on bulin

[trail temple]

You also gotta drop your affinity to 0, every % counts

The amount of times Serenity died in the past because the ships' affinity was too high

[autumn yacht]

I just remove soyuz and alsace

[half silo]

big stall in current meta

trust

[trail temple]

Fr

Serenity has been deceiving us from day dot

[lusty hill]

look at that thigh

[trail temple]

Still too powerful

[stable dawn]

just use the bulins and a random unleveled ship for backline

otherwise people might still lose

[autumn yacht]

Nahhhhhhhhh, if you are at least Rear Admiral Lower Half you can beat this

[distant gulch]

put a single hiryuu

that will stall longer than this

[half silo]

if you want biggest stall then put kashino in

unbreakable wall

[hybrid agate]

lmao trump disarmed

where foxwall

[trail temple]

You'd be surprised what can make it through to AOTN

You'd think a lv53 commander has a fully equipped 125 fleet?

[autumn yacht]

Well, does they?

[trail temple]

Very unlikely

Especially since opsi requires lv60

[autumn yacht]

This season to make it to aotn I fought like 80% Mushi Alsace Soyuz Laff2 Jintuss Eld

Some have NJ in place

No foxwall encounter

[trail temple]

So, you want to help noobs? But you're still putting a barrier, albeit a lower one?

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-visible-confusion-confused-gif-14771834

[gloomy sand]

ahh. Kwan mindset. What a good mindset

[autumn yacht]

I don't know how much noobs can fight

[finite fog]

unleveled fleet of course

[trail temple]

Let's just say, getting aotn as a lv60-70 you just fight ungeared fleets and take minuses when you have to. Anything that's lv125 beats you on level advantage

Because your ships are probably at 100 average

[distant gulch]

put amagi-chan to giga rekt the noobs

[trail temple]

and not well geared

[autumn yacht]

Even if it is Kearsage (she have shit ass secondary)?

[trail temple]

Yeah

Level advantage

[finite fog]

kear used to be meta in 2023

[distant gulch]

for like few weeks lul

[autumn yacht]

With a fleet to work with her

[distant gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/838263229909303306.webp?size=56&animated=true

[autumn yacht]

So uhhh

How long for defense fleet to update

[gloomy sand]

Each hour

[distant gulch]

that's crazy

[autumn yacht]

I decided that I want to fuck around at 3 am

[vale minnow]

percreus

[autumn yacht]

I tried kearsarge, didn't work out

[vale minnow]

maybe try musashi

[autumn yacht]

...

[vale minnow]

unless you dont have her

[autumn yacht]

I have HVAR on Perseus, that mean she sunk either Laff2, Jintuss or eld

[vale minnow]

[autumn yacht]

I need to ask famine what gears he use

[vale minnow]

standard loadout

for foxwall

[autumn yacht]

I do remember seeing manjuu repair crew

[vale minnow]

manjuu is a must on laffey

[jade heart]

Oxygen torpedo not a meme

[vale minnow]

oh i got aotn while moving

[versed geyser]

That’s cause you are very high, I think you are on a 2600 pace

[vale minnow]

2341

@ 10/10

[distant gulch]

what a nerd

[vale minnow]

[distant gulch]

KFC name

[vale minnow]

🍗

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/kfc-gif-18676033

[lusty hill]

Los Pollos Hemanos makes a better fried chicken

and the owner is buffier than colonel sanders

[distant gulch]

mcdonald makes better chicken

no 🧢

[vale minnow]

[distant gulch]

holy shit

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/328520316684861440.webp?size=56

put them in my mouth right now, i can destroy whatever foxwall or laffey2 with one piece of it

[vale minnow]

what the shit, mcdonalds actaully serving good food

[distant gulch]

country diff

[lusty hill]

mcdonald make the best spicy chicken but los pollos makes a better chicken overall

[vale minnow]

i like jollibee

🔴 🐝

[versed geyser]

Malaysia?

[tired star]

jollibee not worth it for the price

rather just go to kfc or popeyes

[unkempt vortex]

KFC is sadly mid for some reason here and Popeyes is as good as Jollibee

McDo on the other hand, its basically a contry diff then

[versed geyser]

There’s like one KFC outlet which is good here (that I go to ofc), Jollibee pretty good too, idk about popeye

[grim solar]

JOLLIBEE SLANDER WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

KFC is WAYYYY too greasy.

Popeyes, I agree.

[fresh dove]

nampak sedap

unfortunately I can't compare McD to KFC or Julibee or Popeyes here cause they just don't sell fried chicken or rice

[distant gulch]

ahahaha

pinoys love their jollibee

[gloomy sand]

the prices suck ass though

[lusty hill]

grind harder

[sturdy kraken]

jolibee is meh the only good thing is that they have rice

kfc standards have dropped

[trail temple]

I generally try to avoid fast food

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/big-sexy-obese-obese-man-redditor-gif-25830678

[late heath]

You just dox all the mods on this server by that gif

[blazing orbit]

all the members

[late heath]

Exercise reset move from 2 AM -> 3 PM to make people lose another hour of sleep

[trail temple]

13 hours

[late heath]

Yes, 13h

[brazen socket]

Wrong, I am actually a kawaii anime girl

Please do not spread misinformation online

[late heath]

EoS is the best, every fleet you fight is exactly the same, just different username

[stable dawn]

@light crystal ggwp old man

[vale minnow]

Good seaz guyz

[fresh dove]

how did u do?

[versed geyser]

LB's up, rejoin the server

[fresh dove]

Oh the sheet's up!

[void zealot]

holy sheet!

[brazen socket]

The person below me will overcap next season!

[void zealot]

me!

[distant gulch]

not me!

[stable dawn]

[void zealot]

the person below me will turn into anchorage in their sleep

[hybrid agate]

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-anchorage-chibi-3d-eagle-union-gif-4577151423232351216

[void zealot]

wow

[void zealot]

anchorage virus is spreading

[stable dawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1150989613435990036/1202840274254962760/mutsuki_to_the_moon_.gif

[junior moss]

give us spaceships

[toxic ridge]

On a PvP main fleet consisting of Musashi, Soyuz, and Alsace who is the best choice to put the aux gear Admiralty Fire Control Table on? Or does it even matter?

[vale minnow]

Musashi

And yes it matters

[toxic ridge]

Okay thank you

[buoyant parrot]

no new misinformation I see

[bright mauve]

now that the sheet is alive theres no need to chat

[trail temple]

Your officer isn't throwing misinformation around anymore, that's why there's no new misinfo

[brazen socket]

!! Jintsuu meta becoming permanent

[void zealot]

jintsuu meta becoming my wife

[stable dawn]

no skin

[autumn yacht]

Imagine the floodgate if we start giving META ships skin

There won't be a gate left, the dam got hit by GBU

[stable dawn]

I'd have a reason to log in

[mortal trench]

sigma sigma sigma boy

https://tenor.com/view/doro-nikke-wink-cute-gif-7970991933763561396

[jade heart]

This fleet decent ?

[finite fog]

for 95% of fleets in your server, yes

[jade heart]

Perfect

[lusty hill]

that's good enough for lil e

[vale minnow]

whats your user, and are you level 130+

[jade heart]

Im account level 120 i think

[vale minnow]

[jade heart]

ghostvally 117

[vale minnow]

i swear ive seen a person with the user eucliwoodhellscythe

[jade heart]

u have

[vale minnow]

[jade heart]

its not me thou

[torpid patrol]

is the current event UR gun good for pvp?

[vale minnow]

too slow

only excells at killing med armor

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

[sick moon]

amagos

[true blaze]

Are there any upgrades to be made to my team with jintsuu meta coming back and since I have rafaello?

[vale minnow]

whats your team rn

[vale minnow]

im not gonna lie, i think raff might be better than fdg

and jintM replaces i guess z52 or ancho idk

[true blaze]

Anch saved me so many times with her evasion. Sad to see her go

[late heath]

Visit her in her room every day

[true blaze]

🥲

I will wait another few weeks or so maybe. Maybe after my jintsu meta is built first

[vale minnow]

start at 1400 coords saved and itll take 18 days

[gloomy sand]

get nj and mlb her; unless if cn anni gives us a good pvp ship you'll have to make do with nj

[true blaze]

How about shimakaze and jintsu meta? Would upgrading front line instead be better than getting NJ

[gloomy sand]

jintM over z52; nothing else. prioritize nj

[true blaze]

Thanks

I guess I have to wait for my pity to come along so I can grab nj

[willow herald]

Is raffaello good

[void zealot]

yeah

[gloomy sand]

pvp? ehh her kit is not that stellar in pvp
if you want to use her here, go ahead. Especially if she's one of your only UR BBs

pve tho she busted as all hell for mobbing contents, with some caveats

[willow herald]

ok ill take it

i mf forgot to get her before the event ended

but i have enough UR bbs and main fleets in general that idrc for pve

i just didnt wanna get fomod for pvp

[finite fog]

[true blaze]

Suggestions for optimal gear please?

[distant gulch]

check pin

but that NJ really shouldn't be used anytime soon

jintsuu too

[true blaze]

I’m just showing formation for reference. That’s not my active fleet. Could you give me advice on who to use the unique items on? Like manjuu, cosmic kicks, pearl tears, etc.

I think the guns are easy enough to reference from the pin

I’ve also been able to get top 10 rankings with the help you gave me last time (if I don’t miss any attacks)

I just can’t beat meta fleets or those that have laff2 😦

[distant gulch]

im pretty sure gear is on pin doc as well

what im using is copy paste from what's available in the sheet

prowler better on eldridge

[true blaze]

Is jintsuus gun important?

[distant gulch]

been using plygun on her so idk how the substitute work

but it's usually the torpedo that make or break her

[true blaze]

Cause I don’t have nj or jint guns

[distant gulch]

just use the yellow gear then

[true blaze]

I figure nj gun more important

[distant gulch]

just use mk4

you need mk4 to craft 457 anyway

and you gonna be using mk4 for soyuz if you get her in the future, if meta still uses soyuz

[true blaze]

Got it

[neat atlas]

can I just say half the time I peek in here I feel like I'm Mike or Jesse watching this happen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOH0IZwp_nA

[vale minnow]

cheekys pvp adventures

are you exited to stay up will 3am

[neat atlas]

No

[vale minnow]

higher pace than me already

Got me a mova

[distant gulch]

toxic def fleet users

[vale minnow]

not enough +13s

[distant gulch]

n00bz

[vale minnow]

bet

[distant gulch]

reject def, embrace meme

[vale minnow]

do you like armpits mori

[distant gulch]

yes

[vale minnow]

🤝

[distant gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/955754196018274314.webp?size=56

sniff deez

[vale minnow]

[unkempt vortex]

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/last-chance-to-look-at-me-hector-hector-salamanca-hector-gus-fring-breaking-bad-gif-6761645638510073316

Gustavo make the best chicken and also give the best pvp advice

It is only by his wisdom and muscle I have the strength to do pvp

[void zealot]

booba!

[unkempt vortex]

booba!

[sudden spoke]

Can't leave you lot alone for long huh. Might have to start handing out smacks to this dead room

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-x-kong-the-new-empire-kong-punch-new-empire-kong-punch-kong-shut-up-gxk-gif-13295031395258933994

[vale minnow]

[finite fog]

[grim solar]

What happened?

[stable dawn]

[lusty hill]

gustavo taught me how to pvp, last night I asked him if raffaelo good at pvp he said that it'll take couple of weeks to test her to determine if she's good at pvp

[primal ether]

Sooo this seems to be a powerful pvp combo and I'm not sure why or how.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460645783021289472/1350289976360701952/Screenshot_20250314_210857_Azur_Lane.jpg?ex=67d63309&is=67d4e189&hm=b312a25c8d844878a2723313f299a4de831204c77fa0d9ac9e947f6c1a7dafc5&

[neat atlas]

and just like Gustavo you'll get beaten/killed by a crippled guy

[vale minnow]

hi can you send a video of the fight

[primal ether]

I...don't know how to do that...

[vale minnow]

screen record if the fleet is still there

[primal ether]

I'm playing it on a tablet.

[vale minnow]

yea, you can screen record

[primal ether]

I literally don't know how to make that happen. Sorry...

[vale minnow]

well what fleet were you running first

[finite fog]

show your current fleet and your dock

[vale minnow]

hi aiko

[primal ether]

That's my fleet I was using and I got utterly and nearly trashed.

[finite fog]

i'm fiko

[vale minnow]

hi fiko*

[lusty hill]

Cool fleet

[primal ether]

I've given rings to Enty, Yorky, Prinz and Alli.

[vale minnow]

thats not saving the fleet

[finite fog]

all 3 of your frontline ships are basically useless in pvp

[primal ether]

I know that....

[finite fog]

actually, check the pinned doc first

the guide

[primal ether]

I generally don't do pvp often.

[finite fog]

then don't worry about it and attack someone easier

[primal ether]

That's the thing...that should have been an easy victory....and normally would be as I've beaten fleets with higher numbers than those without effort and yet somehow this fleet combination just blew through me like nothing.

[distant gulch]

your ship sucks

that's the fact

[lusty hill]

[finite fog]

could be gearing too

tamaki luna have preload

so your frontline/vv disappear and your cvs get revealed early

[distant gulch]

like having a single laffey2 in your vanguard probably can net you a win 9/10 times

[finite fog]

even using pve geared laffey 2

[distant gulch]

or no gear laffey

[finite fog]

[vale minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[primal ether]

Sadly I missed out on Laffey 2. Yes you can all laugh at me for my incompetence for missing such an opportunity.

[distant gulch]

there are alternatives

anchorage is always free

[vale minnow]

< i just wnna say, this does not look like essex

[tired star]

off topic chat from pvp detected

prepare for destruction

[primal ether]

But all the best builds REQUIRE Laffey 2 so I'll never good enough for anything.

[distant gulch]

well yes

settle for 2nd

kekw

[tired star]

u dont need laffey 2 to get high score

[distant gulch]

but you can still get AotN if you pick your opponents

[vale minnow]

good builds want jintsuu meta, and i dont have her

[tired star]

even less so if u just want aotn

[distant gulch]

unless your server is ass and top 50 are meta def users

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1141131070713106543.webp?size=56&animated=true

[vale minnow]

mori is a washy mf

[primal ether]

Yeah I could only hope to get a Torpmeme as I have Laffey 2 as all the others builds have ships I don't have.

[vale minnow]

did you miss the part where they said anchorage

[distant gulch]

pvp is so chill here

[primal ether]

Yeah I saw that...I don't have her.

[distant gulch]

then get her

[vale minnow]

just run anchorage,jintsuumeta,eld retro and win

and get her then 💀

[distant gulch]

no eldridge? good old trusty Juneau

[primal ether]

I have Jinstsuu META, Eldridge(Retro) and Shimakaze

[finite fog]

i think it would be easier if you show dock

or better yet, you can always check out the pinned comment with a link to the guide

[vale minnow]

i too would agree

[finite fog]

[tired star]

that's already a good enough vanguard

[primal ether]

So this isn't quite my full dock, but you can have a look.

[distant gulch]

you got a lot of leveling to do

[vale minnow]

i see sashi nj and eld retro, also jintsuuM as u said , get anchorage

[distant gulch]

but running musashi zwei and nj are already massive improvement on your backline

[vale minnow]

at least he leveled his northampton

[distant gulch]

kii enjoyer

[primal ether]

Actually it seems like I missed Jintsuu META,..so yeah I can't make anything....

[tired star]

she just got added to dossier

[finite fog]

great news, she's in meta dossier now

[vale minnow]

you cant miss jintsuu meta

not anymore

[primal ether]

And it seems I can't load the rest of my dock for some reason.

[tired star]

wait u have soyuz

why not use

[gloomy sand]

sort by URs

[primal ether]

I have tried uploading new images and it seems I can't for some reason.

[gloomy sand]

nvm guy isn't on rn
what u can raise now:
jintsuu meta (get her from dossier)
eldkai, soyuz. MLB if not uet MLB and then bring them to lvl 125
nj. bring her to lvl 125

use this for now:
musashi nj (any UR BB or seydlitz)

[gloomy sand]

frontline is a hard topic so go play the game (farm a lot of xp) for these ships i listed

get ancho as well bcs she'll be your best tank for a while

[distant gulch]

you got so many UR bulin, why is your soyuz abandoned

[primal ether]

It seems like a lot but they go fast when you use them.

[distant gulch]

your soyuz only need 2

considering how strong soyuz is everywhere in the game, it's no brainer

[gloomy sand]

brains are lacking these days

[distant gulch]

🧟

man this is a shit zombie emote

[vale minnow]

lmao

[lusty hill]

soyuz good

[stable dawn]

soyuz bad

use raff instead

she will help more to finally reach capten

you can worry about soyuz when you want to actually climb above that

[lusty hill]

raff is mid even quyet said so

[distant gulch]

raff is mid

I say so

got her to 125 and she got right the fuck off from my fleet immediately tho

[lusty hill]

pretty sad that raff is probably the most mid UR ever since yorktown2

I was hoping she's good

[distant gulch]

yk2 wasnt mid

kron was mid

[light crystal]

super dead this round, up to booga to carry washi again

[light crystal]

she was pizza nation, wut u expect

[stable dawn]

too late I already overcapped

maybe NO DATA will win this season

[distant gulch]

i read that as no Dota

[stuck grail]

Hahaha

[unkempt vortex]

I am so bad, that my Neo Stall fleet lost to a Napoli Stall Fleet while I wasn't looking

[hybrid agate]

Time to use JintM

[unkempt vortex]

if only she was available

also Shimakaze getting tiresome to use than z52 for some reason, despite the former has better Heavy damage capabilities and speed

[hybrid agate]

[gloomy sand]

[unkempt vortex]

[lusty hill]

what you mean she's on the dossier now

[gloomy sand]

Who is this man, and how can I meet him

[lusty hill]

:alSUS:

[distant gulch]

wonder what jintsuu name gonna be

jin kazama

[gloomy sand]

epic gaming

[lusty hill]

who's kazama

[distant gulch]

your father

[junior moss]

most mid since uvh if we count only main fleet

[stone tree]

[fresh dove]

I GOT WALLED OFF MY +1 NOOOO

thank you iEclipse for the toxic defense fleet

[vale minnow]

what even was the fleet

[fresh dove]

GoT but idk what the steroids they are having

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-laughting-laughting-laught-black-man-funny-gif-27638451

[vale minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-spiderman-meme-miles-morales-gif-6254393350946967855

[fresh dove]

good thing I just decide to take -1 instead of -10

[neon bronze]

issue of skill

[trail temple]

Amagi has found their Serenity

[stable dawn]

who is amagi

[hybrid agate]

[lusty hill]

don't be a serenity

[fresh dove]

like idk what steroid they took bruh

5 reset and all fail

[vale minnow]

bricked fleet

[hybrid agate]

[lusty hill]

ask them to disarm next time

there's no shame in asking for a disarm

in a bicyle race you musk ask the person driving a motorcycle to step down and use a bicycle like the rest

[vale minnow]

or just get a motorcycle , since for some reason motorcycles are allowed in the race

[fresh dove]

lmao

[trail temple]

You know the best side arm for a sword fight?

It's a gun

[vale minnow]

the best counter to a gun is a shield

runa stall fleet

[lusty hill]

a wall :god:

[silk moat]

Is the vanguard meta comprised only of Jintsuu meta, eldrige and laffey II?

[vale minnow]

there are variations

[silk moat]

what are those variations?

[vale minnow]

read the pvp guide thats pinned

[silk moat]

ty very much, just one further question, are tea torps significantly better than quint rainbow torps for pvp?

[eternal crest]

now that jintsuu meta's in dossier, is it worth going for her for pvp?

[hybrid agate]

yes 100%, she's included on the Standard vanguard lineup, you can check her further on the pinned pvp guide

[eternal crest]

yep, had a look at the spreadsheet

ty!

[coarse coral]

should laffey run hammer or dual sword? I saw that on the guide tanky destroyers like laffey may want to use sword but it also said hammer is generally better... ty

[hybrid agate]

you want to use 3x swords here for lvl3 slash, referencing the Gear (Modules) section of the guide.
CAs doesn't have Slash(Spread) to complement DD Hammers

if you have JintM, then you can switch to hammers

[coarse coral]

ah so u mean this right? yea i dont have jintM so ill just use this then, tysm:)

[hybrid agate]

[lusty hill]

CA

[stable dawn]

ancho is really a DD in disguise

[distant gulch]

anchorage with double D

maybe more than D

[stable dawn]

equip 2 torp bulges

[coarse coral]

What’s the problem with ca😅

[lusty hill]

does he know?

||he doesn't know||

[grim solar]

Most CAs suck in PvP.

With the exception of Anchorage.

[coarse coral]

Yea I just saw that this front line was recommended in the guide, don’t rly know anything abt PvP 😅

[grim solar]

Yeah it's a good comp.

[lusty hill]

ancho was the only good CA and the best frontline in the past, nowadays her role has been taken by laffey2 and eldrige

[tame bay]

If i dont have Eldy Retro what other off tank ship can i use in PvP ?

[gloomy sand]

Juneau Retrofit is your next best offtank. Became meta for a while after Alsace came and destroyed Fortune META out of the meta

Anyways you can still expect like a coinflip against top fleets at worst; attacker advantage is good. Have fun in Amagi

[tame bay]

Awesome, thank you!

[vale minnow]

new amagi pvper

[supple igloo]

um,how can i protect myself from the loads of planes that get thrown at me? is there any gear reccomended that can rip these shits apart?

[dark lotus]

Anchorage, ships with skills that increase evasion rate, high AA ships. PvP is more about ship skills than anything most of the time. You still need good gear but even amazing ships for the rest of the game can be sucky in pvp because they don't give immunity windows or reduce damage in some way.

[supple igloo]

Okeeee thank youuu,can you reccomend some good pvp ships???

[void zealot]

go check pins

[supple igloo]

okkk

oh the pvp guide

okeee thank you!!!!!!!

[void zealot]

you're welcomeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[supple igloo]

i am so grateful that i can get these ships right now

[sturdy oasis]

am I cooked with no jintsuu meta and eldridge retrofit?

[vale minnow]

No

[sturdy oasis]

Been using this for 7 years

[vale minnow]

Get jintsuu meta in dossier
25 days if you start at 0 coords
18 days if you start at max coords

[sturdy oasis]

what's dossier

[vale minnow]

Meta boss

[sturdy oasis]

is that opsi?

[vale minnow]

Yea

[sturdy oasis]

yea haven't done that in like 2-3 years lol

guess I'll ask in the help chat for teams

kudos

[vale minnow]

Anyways
Juneu is a eld replacement I guess
And get jintsuu meta
Tank will be laffey2

[sturdy oasis]

alright cheers

[vale minnow]

And backline will be
Musashi Soyuz Alsace if you have them

[stable dawn]

literal time capsule

[supple igloo]

Which is better?pvp wise

[grim solar]

Felix.

I don't think I've seen Hindenburg once in the meta.

Felix, however, is definitely used.

[supple igloo]

Thank youuuu!!!!

[sturdy oasis]

like, I've been logging in almost everyday since the game launched, but after a while I started doing things mindlessly, and stopped doing pvp altogether

[winged depot]

that's normal tbh

[vale minnow]

I didn’t do PvP for most of my azuzu career too

[stable dawn]

azusa career?

[lusty hill]

Ignoring pvp strats

[trail temple]

[languid wadi]

I need some help
I know i won't reach top
But not needing to reset as much to get an easier fight would be cool

These are ranked Tier 1 or above

But i have more ships

[grim solar]

Check the pins for comps and gear.

[finite fog]

get anchorage and jintsuu meta asap

[grim solar]

Though from what I'm seeing, Musashi, NJ, and Alsace are your backline.

Felix, Anchorage, Shimakaze, and Jintsuu META are all available.

Do you have Eldridge's retrofit item?

[languid wadi]

I don't

[grim solar]

Oof.

[languid wadi]

I think
Need to check later

[inner mango]

Musashi/Alsace/Rafaello sounds like an interesting backline to use there

[languid wadi]

Thanks

[vale minnow]

How lose

[gloomy sand]

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

I wouldn't use pve tiering in a pvp environment. But like others have said, check the document, and go from there. It's probably your vanguard that needs the most work

[trail temple]

[languid wadi]

Will do
Thanks

[vale minnow]

getting walled by IEclipes's fleet is

[fresh dove]

surely 1 sample is conclusive

[lusty hill]

what fleet you're using

[vale minnow]

GoT with z52

very good

[fresh dove]

lmao natural nard

[vale minnow]

Did you only reset once

[fresh dove]

yeahh I can't afford not to reset when my soyuz just insta dead to jintsuu

[pale cradle]

Is my vanguard formation good for the ships I have? (I'm going to level them up and leave everything max lvl and mlb)

[vale minnow]

anchorage instead of Z52

use a diff backline

musashi is fine there, try to throw in soyuz and alsace

[pale cradle]

I don't have them, otherwise I would use them. I only have these here.

[vale minnow]

i guess rafaello when u get to leveling he

[pale cradle]

yeah, I thought about getting it, but I'm not going to do it right now because I'm almost getting the new jersey and there's going to be the implacable to level up too.

before i was using amagi, shinano and musashi, but i don't know if this is my best option with what i have.

[vale minnow]

cv not too good

[pale cradle]

so what i can do for now?

[vale minnow]

musashi,fdg and aquila

[pale cradle]

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

Aquila dead weight in this meta. Go get NJ

[gloomy sand]

musashi nj fdg

[cosmic prism]

I have no idea what equipment is good.

[stable dawn]

going full USS fleet with no Eldridge, Anchorage, or Laffey II

[cosmic prism]

They are 2 silly

Laffey is 2 sleepy

What is an Anchorage

I just wanna say no to planes.

[fresh dove]

you should check the pins if you need something that can win

[late heath]

US Sink fleet

[jade heart]

That fleet is good for being sunk at the bottom of the ocean

[cosmic prism]

Submarine fleet!

[vale minnow]

i like dudes

[vale minnow]

i was js basing of what they had atm

[cosmic prism]

I decided to add sleepy and silly.

[vale minnow]

laffey 1 is not laffey 2 and she will get one shot

eldridge has to be retrofit

[cosmic prism]

It was not showing up

[vale minnow]

as long as its laffey 2 and eldridge retro then youll be fine, get Jintsuu meta from dossier to replace sandy

[cosmic prism]

But....

[jade heart]

What make jintsuu meta good for pvp

[cosmic prism]

Sandy numba wan....

[void zealot]

hella damage

[cosmic prism]

[jade heart]

Is she only good for pvp ?

[void zealot]

she's a good torp ship

[jade heart]

Ooo

Better then shikaz?

[vale minnow]

shima? maybe not

[cosmic prism]

I have her

Never used her much though

[void zealot]

ok

[vale minnow]

Jintsuu meta, not junyou meta

and you need a better backline, whatre your UR bbs

[grim solar]

An all EU fleet?! In my pvp channel?!

[trail temple]

That's fine, except NJ is permanently available, no need to settle for less in that instance

[vale minnow]

yeh

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-mewing-sigma-mew-mewing-chad-gif-17710863300302979354

I remember one of the amagi aotn rushers have this backline on their defense

don't remember frontline so i just copypasted stall frontline

[stable dawn]

[inner mango]

Rafaello good for pvp

[grim solar]

🦅

[hybrid agate]

[torpid patrol]

Is manjuu better on Laffey than NJ?

[hybrid agate]

would you think it looks better

[fresh dove]

make one with laffey

[gloomy sand]

yes if you have her

if not then manjuu ancho is fine

[light crystal]

Part of the course

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-buzz-lightyear-clones-copies-gif-22586949

Used to be a Mafia user, surely...

[distant gulch]

meta def users

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1181674530909982751.webp?size=56

[gloomy sand]

Git gud, plebeians

[stable dawn]

wtf bloodie is alive

[lone fjord]

Bataan is a last-stand

[whole salmon]

Took me a while but yeah

This is CN’s fleet for Raffaelo

In other words, updated Mafia

[whole salmon]

Now onto the next one

Which requires Andrea Doria Meta for some reason

I haven’t raised her yet so I’ll be back whenever I got it

[versed geyser]

Where’s Eldridge/Z52?

[void zealot]

at my house

[whole salmon]

As for how I feel about this, it works fine

[whole salmon]

That’s the point of the fleet

The point of the fleet is to be so tanky that you don’t need Eldridge

Why else do you think they were stacking Damage reduction of every single type

[versed geyser]

Tested against Foxwall?

[whole salmon]

You honestly think Fox wall can do anything against Laffey Juneau

With 6 rainbow AA guns

[whole salmon]

The damage reduction stack on it honestly makes this fleet overly lacking in damage

Adding Eldridge instead of Jintsuu Meta wouldn’t help, you would just cripple your dps even further

On defense then maybe but not offense

[whole salmon]

The other fleet CN is cooking is with Andrea Doria Meta

To essentially combo Andrea Meta’s Acc reduction

With Amagi’s Evasion rate buff

Along with Damage reduc stacking

To essentially make your backline a concrete wall

[whole salmon]

Also reason for Mogador gun is for the pen

So that enemy’s Eldridge would proc Rainbow

All BB guns are timed so that Rainbow would be off whenever BB fires

[gloomy sand]

🐌

[whole salmon]

Personally I fine this fleet fine

[gloomy sand]

tf, link?

[whole salmon]

It isn’t amazing but isn’t bad

It works similarly to other offense teams that I think new players can use

[gloomy sand]

why fdg gun tho

[whole salmon]

To time it

[gloomy sand]

💔 💔 💔

i still have rainbow guns to raise...

[whole salmon]

They aren’t done with it yet so no video but I saw 2 posts about it

Andrea Doria Meta have anti-accuracy

[gloomy sand]

rafff?

[whole salmon]

Yea

Anti-acc is something new

If you find fighting Hornet Meta in OS annoying due to the eva rate

Then essentially Andre Doria Meta + Amagi would replicate that

I’ll test it myself whenever I have her raised

Offense rn is flexible enough for me to experiment

So whether you run 2 CV, 1 CV, Raffaello or whatever

It can still work

[gloomy sand]

so basically they cooking because their meta is all ARSE on defense

and weird 'Nam or GoT loadouts on offense

sounds like desperation

[whole salmon]

Their defense is indeed questionable

Instead of forcing stall, it instead forces reset

However due to overlap in gear

Us on EN would prioritize offense

Instead of wasting time on defense

Which is why our defense is generally more balanced instead of glass canon

[whole salmon]

Glass canon defense does force reset if RNG hit right which could be beneficial if enough of the playerbase use it but unlikely for this culture to be adopted on EN

[whole salmon]

However, I do think the Raffaelo thing is worth trying

Not as a top tier fleet but as a good enough open entry comp for new players

Especially since most ships required for it isn’t limited

[gloomy sand]

Fair, ideas are good after all

Execution wildly differs

[whole salmon]

I think some of these ideas are interesting

Like the anti acc thing of Andrea

[gloomy sand]

not a fan of the fdg gun though 💔

[whole salmon]

Honestly I didn’t even consider her worth trying

But Hornet Meta did show me the fear of Anti Acc

OS fights are so damn annoying

[gloomy sand]

foxwall as an idea is purely EN side, i believe so

closest you find is some Alsace Amagi Akagi fleet

[gloomy sand]

donate oil plz

[trail temple]

Maybe our suspicions were true all along

[distant gulch]

suspect deez

[lusty hill]

CV good

[stable dawn]

VV, slow Musashi, and no eldy

even the vg augs are wrong

@whole salmon are you sure this wasn't some hardstuck captain guy feeding us his cooking

[whole salmon]

Nah, this is the one that pioneered Mafia, Weeb, and MSN

[stable dawn]

I thought Rafff oathed all his ships

[whole salmon]

As far as I am aware, most trends of EN are taken from him

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

Only recently did the offense team differs

Due to the fact that EN and CN have different philosophy for defense

EN generally just has offense team be for defense

So you meet your usual tanky Laffey and Musashi

However CN prioritize glass canon team

With Richelieu, Alsace, Soyuz backline

No Laffey but instead Shimakaze

With torp on all frontline ships including Eldridge

This is just to be a big RNG roller coaster

To force offense to reset on a bad day

[stable dawn]

EN seems to have split off around the time JintM first became dominant
as hiryuu torpmemes had its own organic counter with the Kear backline

[whole salmon]

And it seems a decent portion of CN took this philoshopy

Instead of a more balanced approached

[whole salmon]

The reason this was never adopted to EN was that Richelieu requires Beaver

While Pearl would Shima

And Manjuu on Eldridge

The gear setup overlapping with offense

[stable dawn]

so you're saying they ran no beaver, pearl, or manjuu on attack?

[whole salmon]

And most of us would prioritize offense gear than defense gear

[whole salmon]

They switch but that’s not something most players would do on EN

Due to the 1 hour gap

[stable dawn]

tbh that makes me wonder

[whole salmon]

Where if you change gear on def, your def would still stays

For 1 hour

[stable dawn]

how late do CN players move

[whole salmon]

Switch that gear to offense

And you have both functioning def and atk

[stable dawn]

seems like EN has become more aggressive since a lot of people now do 5 in 5m

[hybrid agate]

switching gears

[whole salmon]

Due to no one on EN bothers switching gear, myself included

The culture of having dedicated def and then switching to dedicated atk would never take root

[whole salmon]

Which is why recent offense comps on CN have been trying to minimize the RNG effects of this

So the comp I sent back then had gears such as Torp bulge on backline along with VV was just to counter Shima Jintsuu M

Even when the chances of running into them with a geared fleet on EN now is low

[stable dawn]

why didn't they just bring back fortm with prowler then

[whole salmon]

However even if the gears differ

Some ideas can be taken

[stable dawn]

ngl this seems more scuffed than the bis2 fleets

[whole salmon]

CN have tried both Amagi CV with Akagi or the Nakhimov team

[stable dawn]

CVs are permadead due to rat gun

[whole salmon]

And recently, the Raffaelo and VV team which I sent

[red narwhal]

Where are the British subs

[whole salmon]

And they are testing Andrea Meta and Amagi BB soon

[stable dawn]

at the subway

[whole salmon]

I don’t agree with VV

But Raffaelo so far I have found some decent cases

[stable dawn]

amagi BB in 2025

[whole salmon]

My fleet feels more balance than before

[whole salmon]

It is a stupid strategy but interesting

Andrea Meta can reduces BB’s acc

[stable dawn]

wdym by balanced

[whole salmon]

I forgot if it was Acc or hit rate

[stable dawn]

do you have testing statistics

[whole salmon]

But one of the 2

[whole salmon]

As in the rate of me randomly dying to Jintsuu Meta torps is less

Or rather, I don’t think my backline got one shotted at all during the last and current season

Is it a good thing or a bad thing, I don’t know

But so far it seems the RNG is reduced

[stable dawn]

less EVA means more vulnerable to soyuz nukes though

[whole salmon]

Instead of having Alsace there for example

Which would be nuked

Both Musashi and Raffaelo are stupidly tanky

Due to damage reduc

[whole salmon]

You would be nuked even with Eva

Or did you mean frontline

[stable dawn]

both

[whole salmon]

Backline is fine

Nuking didn’t prove a problem

[stable dawn]

comparing washing machine vs bulge

[whole salmon]

Due to Raf’s shield

At least it didn’t prove as much of a problem as I anticipated

VV still folds like paper tho

[stable dawn]

2021 unit in 2025

[whole salmon]

But Raffaelo is tanky enough

[stable dawn]

do VVs buffs persist after she dies

[whole salmon]

I think so

[stable dawn]

she has become the new Nagato

[whole salmon]

As for the Andrea thing

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

When this ship fires her Main Guns: 50% (100%) chance to fire a Lv.1 (Lv.10) special barrage (DMG is based on the skill's level); enemies hit by this barrage have their ACC reduced by 5% (15%) for 8s.

[whole salmon]

It is this skill

They are thinking of some wack playstyle

And prioritizing anti acc

With Andrea Meta and Amagi

[stable dawn]

so you're telling me

CN is entirely gamblers

[whole salmon]

To essentially make enemies can’t hit shit

[stable dawn]

the whole meta is gambling vs inverse gambling

[whole salmon]

The defense is basically damage gambling

While offense is eva gambling

Absolute cinema

[stable dawn]

we already tried this with Barnyard

[whole salmon]

Yeah

But this is even more so

[stable dawn]

end result is you're better off running standard

[whole salmon]

Bayard + Andrea Meta + Amagi BB

Just stack Eva

Enemy can’t hit

Probably gonna be shit on offense

But for a def fleet tho

It might cause anger issues again for some people

[stable dawn]

probably shit on def too against a fully geared GoT setup

none of your backline will have a zombie skill so they evaporate on first rotation

[whole salmon]

Yeah new AA does provide more ACC

And ig Table as well

[stable dawn]

vg gets finished off by barrages second rotation

ez

[whole salmon]

If this was 2021 meta it would be cinema

BBs back then can’t hit for shit

[steel coral]

if there's anything I've learned from using SoDak

[whole salmon]

[stable dawn]

if this was 2021, Bis2 would be meta

[whole salmon]

JP still use Bis2

[stable dawn]

jfc

[steel coral]

it doesn't matter if they don't do much dmg if you do no dmg

[whole salmon]

And I’m not interested in testing JP meta

[gloomy sand]

where u getting jp pvp meta news from

[whole salmon]

I think the Andrea team they were using is some wack stuff like

[stable dawn]

is koda toto still alive

[whole salmon]

Amagi flag, Andrea Meta top, Musashi bottom

[gloomy sand]

kota todo is dedge, quyet pretty much inactive

[whole salmon]

And frontline is

[stable dawn]

RIP

[whole salmon]

Laffey Jintsuu Bayard

Honestly it feels hella cursed

[gloomy sand]

only guy that still kinda active is nardin

[whole salmon]

[stable dawn]

so NArd still pvps on JP, I see

[whole salmon]

I honestly don’t get the idea

Perhaps stacking Eva on a buggy Bayard might produce some rage inducing moments

[stable dawn]

Barnyard is a bug

[whole salmon]

I certainly had some Bayard freeze screen

[stable dawn]

she still crashes the game

[whole salmon]

[stable dawn]

maybe the strat is to put in as many game crashing units as possible and cope they die late enough to waste opponent time

[whole salmon]

Absolute RNG defense

[stable dawn]

[gloomy sand]

[whole salmon]

Bayard with eva and freezing game

With Amagi and Andrea for more eva

When it takes you ages to get Bayard health low due to eva, she then freezes the game

[gloomy sand]

[gloomy sand]

certainly an idea of all time

[gloomy sand]

btw u know gearing?

[blazing orbit]

does it beat amagi chan+kashino

[whole salmon]

For now no since vid not posted

[blazing orbit]

heard that that duo is unbeatable

[stable dawn]

nothing beats amagi chan and kashino

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/borgar-02-nom-cheeseburger-day-hungry-gif-15074926

[blazing orbit]

unfortunate

pvp still a monolith

[whole salmon]

JP anniv

[gloomy sand]

probably going to be some fdg gun + 410kai bullshit anyways

[whole salmon]

Hood gun

[stable dawn]

we get a UR sub that launches planes
irrelevant CA META ship
no SR
2 useless purple ships
and a UR sub torp that isn't homing

[gloomy sand]

i literally do not understand how and why CN pivoted to 410kai sometime after the MSN and Stepmom eras

[stable dawn]

it's to counter ARSE

but since no one uses ARSE

on EN

[gloomy sand]

this sounds antithetical ngl

[stable dawn]

CN is basically locked into their own meta now, like how JP still uses bis2

which means we'll probably be stuck in GoT jail for another year

[gloomy sand]

bring us something good for once, CN Anni

[stable dawn]

german event with UR CL that reduces EVA for CVs
and a second UR BC that increases damage by 100% if she fires after 40s

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-22727788

maybe u cooking

[stable dawn]

manjuu should hire me

I can make the most pvp relevant ships of all time

[gloomy sand]

which ship u giving a retrofit to

[stable dawn]

Kent

[gloomy sand]

what she do

[stable dawn]

new annoying voice lines

[gloomy sand]

HEY SHIKIKAN

[stable dawn]

Kent META when

[late heath]

On launch, devolved your ship from UR to SSR and SSR to SR

[gloomy sand]

What a man you are

[blazing orbit]

they should make an eldridge for the main fleet

[versed geyser]

If only Washington’s Augment made whole backline invul instead of SoDak

[trail temple]

[late heath]

If they died, then they can’t be damaged. If they can’t be damaged, then they are invulnerable

[light crystal]

Laffey is the most broken PvP unit to ever exist

[brazen socket]

hows raffy doing in pvp

[lusty hill]

no one doing raffy in pvp

[late heath]

We doing Raffy outside of pvp

[trail temple]

That's pvp, just pvp outside of al

[stable dawn]

raffy II?

[brazen socket]

Raffey

[light crystal]

[hybrid agate]

Bloodie MVP

[gloomy sand]

[inner mango]

Good enough to wall @lusty hill

[trail temple]

Or skill issue from the attacker

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[modest gorge]

does anyone know if a curent event ship is good for pvp?

got told to ask here..

[nocturne temple]

@modest gorge
if this helps u then by all means
this is my current opponent list

[modest gorge]

fr im impressed. i taught u dint pvp

[nocturne temple]

I just do all my attempts

that is different from actually doing pvp

[modest gorge]

it sadly doesent help me.

[vale minnow]

PvP = free bulins and coobz

[vale minnow]

No

[modest gorge]

thx. may i add u?

[jade heart]

What is fox wall comp look like*

[steel coral]

[gloomy sand]

Raffaelo is not too shiny to compete in top comps. Competition for 3 slots is hard

New players can and should make use of the new event botes to do PvP tho; a UR BB is better than nearly everything else

[gloomy sand]

depends on the player but you're going to be looking at 7 to 9 UR planes

all moot anyways because the american ur aa gun just going to delete them all lol

[jade heart]

This is rank 1 on my server

If I get frog aa i can beat it ?

[gloomy sand]

[steel coral]

I beat it with 6 staags

[gloomy sand]

what's yo fleet

[jade heart]

This my fleet

[jade heart]

[gloomy sand]

no NJ yet? You're going to be in** a disadvantage if you can't dismantle the enemy frontliner in time

go do JintM as well, she is in dossier for you to get and MLB her

[jade heart]

i have NJ she is level 23 0LB

[gloomy sand]

speedrun her, Raffaelo and JintM then

they'll be your mainstays for a good while

[vale minnow]

Looks like me getting bent over and because I tried to fight juwumy or smth in last 1m

Btw Jim takes 25-18 days

[tired star]

u dont even need frog aa

his fleet isnt properly geared

[jade heart]

How do u see gear ?

[void zealot]

you estimate based on fleet power

[tired star]

i dont, its just i usually beat his fleet with almost all my ships still alive

properly geared foxwall should kill ur backline

[distant gulch]

that's me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/759737833405284412.webp?size=56

[gloomy sand]

Epic Gaming

[void zealot]

mutsukk

[grim solar]

[lusty hill]

Lolicon