pvp

[grim solar]

Soyuz, NJ, FDG/JintM, Shimakaze, LaffII.

[finite fog]

i see a level 1 jintm

can you mlb her

[night herald]

All Metas present have max crystals - Max LB possible

[gloomy sand]

okay

Soyuz - NJ - Fs3+ FdG/Tamaki w/ Aug -- Laffey II - MLB JintM - Juneau Retro

[night herald]

Fs3 stands for Fate Simulation?

[finite fog]

this is fine too, just depends on who you're vsing

[gloomy sand]

Yes

[night herald]

Nice, thanks for advice

[gloomy sand]

For gearing, you can follow the PvP sheet, pinned here.

[keen silo]

tamaki > fdg

[lusty hill]

Lil e tech :god:

[gloomy sand]

Eh, Musashi will most likely rerun just after this year's Japanese Anni

but for now, that'll work

[lusty hill]

Imagine if jp anni is double UR with musashi rerun and new UR

[stable dawn]

imagine if jp anni is eos

[lusty hill]

jp anni remove pvp from the game

[light crystal]

Wut maint forced overcap does to a mofo

[stark ice]

[stark ice]

Congrats to Borgar!

[wild cedar]

I can’t keep up with the meta, what’s the popular fleet to use now?

[grim solar]

Musashi, Soyuz, NJ / Jintsuu META, Laffey II, Fortune META.

Check the pins for other comps.

[wild cedar]

That’s a whole new vanguard comp to build

[grim solar]

There's some alternatives too.

[light crystal]

I use Vanguard instead of Soy Sauce

[wild cedar]

Oh?

[grim solar]

I personally use JintM, Shimakaze, and LaffII.

Faster clear time for non-meta encounters.

[wild cedar]

I see

Thank you ^^

[trail temple]

Pinned spreadsheet is relatively up to date

[stable dawn]

2589 poggers

[boreal comet]

Double UR Yamato BB and Akizuki DD

[lusty hill]

azur lane will die before they release yamato

[boreal comet]

Yamato is basically the ace

[lusty hill]

they will release Nagato 2 or Amagi 2 before yamato

[narrow aspen]

Kinda curious why you think Akizuki deserves the rainbow 👀

[nocturne temple]

guys the chart says base score for private is 25. If i get a 33 on a win does that mean i got +8?

[narrow aspen]

Yep

Or I guess, to be completely specific, your bonus is +8

[nocturne temple]

yeah that is what i meant. cheers

[boreal comet]

It was revealed to me in a dream

https://tenor.com/view/dune-stilgar-lisanalgaib-fremen-lisan-al-gaib-gif-13633185611076219756

[narrow aspen]

The girl in the dream, huh?

Looks like your future is to become a magical girl

[lusty hill]

Are you having lewd dreams?

[gloomy sand]

he is gushing over magical girls

https://tenor.com/view/gunna-fire-writing-heat-gif-25524005

[winged depot]

based

[boreal comet]

https://tenor.com/view/yennefer-yennefer-my-beloved-my-beloved-yennefer-witcher-3-my-beloved-witcher-3-my-beloved-gif-18421476386635152768

[vague nymph]

Should I change anyone in my fleet? I'm currently using Nagato (flagship), Shinano, Unicorn, Laffy, Yuudachi and San Francisco

[gloomy sand]

can replace Unikai with Hiryuu retro for the invuln
get Anchorage and Juneau Retrofit as well, can then modernize your frontline

[vague nymph]

Who is Unikai? I'm not that knowledge of the game

I just searched it up and unicorn popped up, I guess it's another way to call her

[boreal comet]

Kai means retrofit in JP

So unikai is Unicorn retrofit

[vague nymph]

Oooo, didn't know that, thanks for the info

So Hiryuu retro is better then uni retro?

[boreal comet]

Pretty much ye

Tho carriers in general aren't in a great position in pvp meta

Hiryuu has an invincibility skill when she gets low so that guarantees airstrike making her better than uni

[vague nymph]

I see, I'll grow her too then once I obtain her

[long barn]

what are these AI(easy) opponents?

[gloomy sand]

default opponents with 0 score

[long barn]

and they give the minimum amount of points or something? should i touch them or ignore them?

[gloomy sand]

they give you 24 point

I was looking at lb and got a guy that moved to top 20 or smth. I then proceeded to eat the AI because I am a pepega and forgot to eat the guy because AI was leftmost

-1 tldr

[delicate owl]

season-deciding move right there

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/856769884952592395/1152794002043699245/FB_IMG_1681905615109.jpg?ex=664cb053&is=664b5ed3&hm=83d551a3f17ea97cc319400c9e5a39d9e739ea380644b5c0c4c1f6bb40aaed59&

[light crystal]

guys is al sauce good for pvp

[plain bane]

Any good sidegrades to jintsuu meta?

[steel coral]

[gloomy sand]

At the moment, none

Watch her when she goes into Dossier and then get powercrept by UR

[lusty hill]

Powercrept by mogador

[boreal comet]

French torp DD?

[lusty hill]

mogador will have slash at every 5s and have double torps preload and tankier than laffey2 and her slash will disable enemy skill

[trail temple]

[steel coral]

[gloomy sand]

busted fortM???

[lusty hill]

alsace has preload

it's over pvp

[lusty hill]

serenity right

[boreal comet]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-stilgar-lisanalgaib-fremen-lisan-al-gaib-gif-13633185611076219756

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/aladeen-news-doctor-doctor-hiv-news-doctor-news-the-dictator-doctor-gif-21008689

[floral wave]

pvp has been over since richelieu then

[bright mauve]

pvp is over every patch

[steel coral]

glowworm + mogchamp meta

[brazen socket]

Lol alsace has a potential 15% heal too

Notable stuff to take away from alsace

• Preload w/ special burn
• enemies marked by alsace take 12% more damage when she fires her guns (random in pvp)
• ships that fall below 30% hp triggers a barrage that potentially heals the ship from 3% - 15% (depends how many bullets land)

[brazen socket]

However, take note shes the squishiest ur bb

9373 HP with no damage reduction

[boreal comet]

Sounds like a pve ship to me

[whole salmon]

I honestly feel a bit disappointed with this lineup of ships

Alsace does have a lot more potential than Mogador

Equipment is good but 60 range is unfortunate

Same case as always, Alsace compete for 3rd BB slot of Soyuz

Mogador compete for off tank slot with Juneau and Fortune Meta, sometimes Shima as well

[whole salmon]

Alsace could open up potential anti frontline comps but when it comes to Mogador I honestly have no clue how to fit her in

[narrow aspen]

Fit her in front of the enemy she stabs

All jokes aside
I'll let y'all cook and I'll just copy notes later
Too busy with her PvE stuff now

[brazen socket]

Mogador looks interesting

I feel like her lunge could temporarily freeze an enemy

[whole salmon]

Her issues are also apparent

She’s no Laffey 2 in terms of survivability and is not a torpedo focused DD

If you want damage you might as well go with Shimakaze, if you want utility you go with Juneau or Fortune Meta

[bright mauve]

Sounds like LilE players are very happy with Alsace

[whole salmon]

The stabbing and causing increased damage taken isn’t that big all things considered

12 seconds in and you expect enemy Jintsuu Meta and Fortune Meta to be almost dying already

As for stabbing Laffey, literally 0 effect

[boreal comet]

Soyuz barrage seems too good to give up on

[whole salmon]

Alsace is interesting

On her own she can’t compete with Soyuz for the 3rd slot

So I’m thinking of simply abandoning the current set up

For a more preload focused comp

At least she has potential in that regard

[narrow aspen]

That sounds interesting

[brazen socket]

No chance she replaces NJ huh?

Too squishy and no safety net with manjuu

[fickle echo]

NJ is more replaceable than Musashi and Soyuz but Alsace doesn't look good enough for that unless her barrage is broken

[whole salmon]

Alsace’s kit has a lot of words but it all seems like small buffs that don’t mean much

[brazen socket]

We have a gif to simulate alsaces barrage

[bright mauve]

You think she edges out Tamaki?

[whole salmon]

The more I look at Mogador, the more sad I feel

[fickle echo]

Unless she can deal a lot of damage to backlines or her barrage has enough hits to get Laffey2 low faster I would still use Tamaki instead

Tamaki has better defensive skills and can hit both the vanguard and the backline at the same time

[whole salmon]

Since the last event in December, I hoped that there would be 1 pve and 1 pvp focused UR to keep things balanced

[bright mauve]

Hmm, that's fair. I'm excited to see how she fares

[whole salmon]

But this feels like double pve focused URs

[brazen socket]

#gameplay-help message

This is alsaces barrage for reference

[boreal comet]

Ye I've seen it

[bright mauve]

This looks.. odd

[fickle echo]

Going full vanguard kill with a frail ship is only gonna make you lose to Laffey2

[boreal comet]

Soy still seems like a better option unless what Ari says happens

[brazen socket]

We have err

2 weeks

Or a week

To see

[whole salmon]

This feels really sad

[bright mauve]

Atleast shes cute :)

[fickle echo]

And there's Soyuz too, if you keep her alive even at 1hp she'll be able to snipe your ships in less than a second

[fickle echo]

And just recently we had insta finish classes and no new UR ships to train skills

[narrow aspen]

Classic timing for that skill training campaign

[keen silo]

tamaki is better than nj after all

if the bb is worse than nj, she’s worse than tamaki

[late heath]

Kashino II is the best BB

[neon bronze]

lel

[undone blade]

Looks like she can replace FdG for those of us on LilEnty?

[fickle echo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/460645783021289472/1242423035605160068/downloadfile_1.mp4?ex=664dc81e&is=664c769e&hm=939ca1bc442407d307e6cfe043f68e96d06ca949b28dcdb2c2cd84201410542d&

Not with her barrage looking like this

[lusty hill]

kid named disappointment

maybe lv10 barrage has better pattern

[gloomy sand]

once again my wifi disappoints me

jfc

[lusty hill]

the area barrage looks cool

is that timed barrage?

[fickle echo]

It triggers when a ship gets lower than 30% hp

[narrow aspen]

Not better pattern, but should have more bullets if I counted correctly

[lusty hill]

:KMShima:

[narrow aspen]

Looks like only one arcing bullet in that vid
But should be eight at Level 10

[fickle echo]

And as you can see in the video it does 0 damage to freaking mobs

[lusty hill]

that bullets doesn't seems to target anyone

[fickle echo]

Even her aux gun did more damage

[lusty hill]

it's not lv10 yet

[narrow aspen]

You can just check the datamine

It's... 4x6x1x1
So... 👀

As in 24 bullets, each with 1 base damage

[lusty hill]

that can't be right

[gloomy sand]

pve only bote

[lusty hill]

why would they add something that doesn't contribute to literally anything

[fickle echo]

Look at the video, the barrage only exists to trigger her heal

[lusty hill]

smh cosmetic skill

[fickle echo]

Her heal depends on how many bullets hit

[fickle echo]

The perfect counter for Fairy Magic Soyuz

[narrow aspen]

[narrow aspen]

I mean, interrogate the dataminers if you want; I can only report what is in the sheet

[lusty hill]

this is more disappointing than my last season performance

[fickle echo]

I guess your skills are not lv10 yet

[lusty hill]

imagine serenity at full power

[narrow aspen]

Alas, that is the only place we shall find serenity at full power
In serenity's imagination

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-my-head-meme-cat-meme-gif-21336536

[boreal comet]

Mog's S1 will ignore everything and kill the enemy vanguard in 1 hit

https://tenor.com/view/meme-kurapika-leorio-stantwt-stan-gif-25887249

[whole salmon]

Laffey 2 reduces that damage to nothing

10% cap go brrr

[narrow aspen]

[boreal comet]

ignore everything

[whole salmon]

Mogador’s stabbing only reduces ramming damage

But it doesn’t reduce the fact that enemy ships will still be shooting her in the face

And if the stabbing target is Jintsuu Meta, now she takes a full torp barrage to the face and dies

If the stabbing target is Laffey 2, damage is reduced to 10% HP cap so it is practically only 1 tic

I only works on Fortune Meta ig but like that’s 12 seconds into the round

[narrow aspen]

We will salute Mogador for sacrificing herself on one of Jintsuu's two death torp waves

[whole salmon]

Truly a selfless ship

[narrow aspen]

All jokes aside though
I was meaning to ask
When you were thinking about full anti-frontline comps before
What did you have in mind?

[whole salmon]

Richelieu and Alsace

Surprising their special burns stack ontop of each other

In addition to regular burn

That would be able to do a lot of tics on a Laffey 2

[whole salmon]

We brought up multiple instances of damage like Bismarck’s laser to counter Laffey 2 before

3 burns would be able to also do multiple instances of damage

But this is merely theoretical, seeing Alsace’s barrage doesn’t give me much hope

[narrow aspen]

Fair enough

Alright, back to the PvE mines I go

[boreal comet]

It's ok

Last 2 UR events had pvp meta ships

[narrow aspen]

I mean, I will probably still try it out, once I have her maxed

[boreal comet]

Not every has to

[narrow aspen]

Indeed

[whole salmon]

I mean it is a UR

[narrow aspen]

I might still end up side decking her to help kill bad fleets a bit faster tbh

[whole salmon]

I would raise it regardless

[narrow aspen]

Without question

Tbh all this is kinda pointless anyway if I can't stop overcapping at random

No point talking about any ship's issues if I can't fix my skill issues

[fickle echo]

No one made the most important question about Mogador: is her "slash" really a vanguard slash or just some skill named "slash attack" like Hunter META's?

[lusty hill]

Her slash won't matter if she goes head first on jintsuu meta torps

[gloomy sand]

facehugging

[whole salmon]

I’m still not used to calling the new UR gun the “Mog gun”

Because I called Mogami gun as the Mog gun for so long now

[trail temple]

[narrow aspen]

I thought we called it the "Bel gun" in EN

(And yes, I agree that calling it the Bel gun is stupid)

[lusty hill]

Nobody use nickname for shit gear

[narrow aspen]

May I present: the confetti gun

[gloomy sand]

i'll just call it Mogging or something

what the fuck is a mogami gun

[narrow aspen]

IJN Triple 155

[fickle echo]

It's Mogging time

[narrow aspen]

:mogchamp:

Alas no Nitro

[gloomy sand]

Just copy the image lel

[lusty hill]

Nitro is cringe

Imagine spending money for imaginary social interaction

[narrow aspen]

Ohhhhh
Is THAT how you do it Beth

I'm dum dum

[whole salmon]

I zeroed

Luckily it is early season

[narrow aspen]

Same
Looks like might be extended, possibly 👀

(In that I can't seem to get in)

[gloomy sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1241187996284354600.webp?size=64&quality=lossless&name=mogChamp

[narrow aspen]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/YZzOeat1OZREKJB7-wU8AJAmhj6RUywkm_dKXFvD52Y/%3Fsize%3D64%26quality%3Dlossless%26name%3DmogChamp/https/cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1241187996284354600.webp?format=webp&width=80&height=80

Damn, I really dum dum

[lusty hill]

:mogchamp:

[whole salmon]

Damn muscle memory

This happens every time new UI changes

I click and the button simply isn’t there

[gloomy sand]

Time to read

[narrow aspen]

Yes indeed...
I still occasionally press the wrong place for dorm

[sour oasis]

Man this new UI is so ... Bright.

[whole salmon]

I went to click settings then log off to reset the pvp list

But the settings button isn’t at the bottom right anymore

It is top right

And that feels hella weird due to like 6 years of muscle memory

[light crystal]

so guys, is the al sauce sweeping through the meta

[lethal elbow]

What is the meta for pvp now

[gloomy sand]

Musashi - NJ - Soyuz - Jintsuu META - Laffey II - Fortune META

you're Lexington, it seems. Your server quite helpful in that gamemode

[lethal elbow]

Is jintsuu replaceable? Haven't gotten her yet

[gloomy sand]

No replacement for her as of writing.

[lethal elbow]

Ow

Imma change my meta dossier for her

[gloomy sand]

However, you can make do with some other options like Juneau Retro, Shima, Felix, etc.

There's a pinned EN PvP sheet for most viable options

[lethal elbow]

Alright

Thank you

[gloomy sand]

Arizona META is currently the latest Dossier META atm. It'll be a while before JintM comes to Dossier

And powercrept

[lethal elbow]

I'll use shima on her slot

Is afcr used on nj ?

[gloomy sand]

Depends. CN fleets like gay table on NJ while EN fleets have gay table on Musashi

[lethal elbow]

Okay

[wheat anvil]

I won because she didn't take damage

[lusty hill]

the secret lucky e tech :god:

[trail temple]

Don't you love answering the same question over and over?

[winged depot]

We're stuck in the same situation

time paradox

[stable dawn]

a question so common some bozos wrote a spreadsheet about it

[gloomy sand]

Directing people to the Sheet felt stale to me

Can't deny that it's a good resource

then again, not a lot of people ask ANYTHING about the game mode in the first place

[finite fog]

a thankless job

[hollow walrus]

even if you direct them to the sheet, people will still ask here anyway

[lusty hill]

I remember letan said that directing people to the sheet is a lazy and half assed advice

God bless beth

[brazen socket]

I dont see how it'd be lazy when its kinda direct and has everything

[gloomy sand]

Eh, that's fine imo. PvP gameplay, tactics and strategy differs from PvE

given EN's infamy of not reading, it's bound to happen anyway

[stable dawn]

some people can't read

we've got requests before to turn it into a series of videos

because apparently watching a playlist of 30+ videos, each 45m+ and rambling about nothing is somehow easier than reading 2 paragraphs and a picture

[lusty hill]

I will make the video and get the youtube money from the sheets

[delicate owl]

nj simps have it on her

[brazen socket]

Holy shit their attention span is fried

[whole salmon]

Poggers

[deft escarp]

Wait what

[whole salmon]

We’re back

[desert nebula]

I guess it will get rather stronger as long as you improve her skills

[whole salmon]

We have the damage numbers at max level already

From the datamine

The only things that stands out is her special burn that can stack with Richelieu’s special burn and regular BB burn

[brazen socket]

Oh uh

One more thing about mogador

She might accidentally cause an early vanguard death due to shotgun to the face

Aka point blank shells and torpedos

[stable dawn]

throwing meta

[boreal comet]

BaltySongo

[lusty hill]

Mogador died so we can win

[boreal comet]

serenity lived so we can meme

[lusty hill]

:ranchSexCalm:

[whole salmon]

Mogador is maximum gambling

Pray she stabs Fortune Meta or Juneau

If she stabs Jintsuu Meta, she dies

If she stabs Laffey 2, she deals no damage

[steel coral]

jda 📈

[boreal comet]

What if she stabs all 3 kills Fortune, forces Jintsuu to release torps, eats them and dies, saving your other ships

[lusty hill]

what if she stabs backline

[brazen socket]

Mogador: "Heh... I sacrificed myself to save you all"
Laffey: "Mogador senpai!"
Mogador: "I just wanted you to toughen up."
This was an azur lane.

[boreal comet]

What if I stab you

[lusty hill]

yes let's do pvp irl

[narrow aspen]

Ngl, tempted to go back
On the one hand, more space for my sec is nice
On the other, all my buttons are in the wrong place...

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/they-have-oil-gif-21149966

[wheat anvil]

Game crashed

[winged depot]

Is that MissingNo.?

[gloomy sand]

how 2 be better at game?

[bright mauve]

You need to kill all enemies to get 3 stars

[whole salmon]

There’s some Mogador self sacrifice clips on CN already

This is basically what would happened if she tried to stab Jintsuu Meta

There are URs with low potential in pvp like Sandy, Indomitable, Yorktown 2, Ulrich, Yuudachi, current Warkai, etc

But Mogador is on a whole different level of mbruh

When damage reduction is only on ramming and not all damage source

It also doesn’t help that she stands still right in front of the enemy

[boreal comet]

They'll probably fix her

[indigo pollen]

hi, just wanna ask who are strongest main and vanguard ships for pvp right now??

[lusty hill]

mogador dies so the fleet can live

[lusty hill]

musashi, soyuz, NJ, jintsuu meta, laffey2, fortune meta

[indigo pollen]

ohh i see. i didnt know there are good meta ships.

[lusty hill]

jintsuu meta and fortune meta are the only good meta fleet in pvp

you can check the sheet on the pin for alternative if you're missing them

[uneven sphinx]

arent we suppose to get some gems around like 700? or is that CN only?

[gloomy sand]

EN player expecting gems from devs

real: idk

[uneven sphinx]

im like 70 gems short for the Mogador skin (i bought Alsace one first)

ill just buy the swimsuit lucky bag if theres no free gem given

[lusty hill]

Kid named being poor

[austere pike]

Is it possible to still get jintsuu meta im missing her

[gloomy sand]

not yet for a long time

still hafta wait for her to be in Dossier Analysis

[sharp hemlock]

Devs will very much likely give her some serious buffing due to this folley on their end by how much ppl are memeing and complaining about it on CN sources as they have her first

Since that’d be pretty fucked up not too- 😔

[stable dawn]

wish granted but she resurrects Anson

[hollow walrus]

that's not the only bug with Mog apparently

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ib421q7QA/

She can straight up not let your ships shoot when they're fully loaded

[whole salmon]

Legit a UR in Tier Unused

[hollow walrus]

she straight up sabotages your fleet

[whole salmon]

Peak gameplay

[hybrid agate]

bruh moment, yeeting herself, and backline not shooting their salvos; imagine all these bugs on PvP

[boreal comet]

Ultra rare gameplay

God tier skills

[deft escarp]

Mogami?

[hollow walrus]

Mogador

[lusty hill]

mogador is a higher ups ship

[stable dawn]

[finite fog]

[sharp hemlock]

Mogador WOWS V.S Mogador AL, knowing the difference between how each dev handles them may save your life-

[hollow walrus]

So has anyone here tried to use Mogador in pvp

Even just for shits and giggles

[gloomy sand]

2 lazy to raise mogggers

interesting

you just need to misclick twice in a row to get booted off a server

Very possible for someone with fat fingers

[lusty hill]

What you mean?

[gloomy sand]

It shall be left as an exercise to the reader

[lusty hill]

:ranchSexCalm:

[narrow aspen]

But what's the theorem to prove?

[brazen socket]

mogador buffed

when she receives up to 10% of her hp from an attack she ignores bullet and ram damage for 1.5s

only during pierce however, it's not all battle long

[lusty hill]

Jintsuu meta killer

[spiral owl]

Only bullet and ram damage ? No torpedoes ?

[brazen socket]

Apparently its actually all damage

So torpedos included

[brazen socket]

Its based off max hp by the way* not current hp like laffii.

[spiral owl]

Well that might be pretty decent

[gloomy sand]

H

[stable dawn]

went from F tier to B tier

[whole salmon]

From negative potential to now some potential

[brazen socket]

Shes a lot more vulnerable than consistent damage than laffey by the way

[whole salmon]

When is the buff happening btw

[brazen socket]

Apparently cn has already had it applied

[whole salmon]

Interesting

[brazen socket]

En and JP have nothing at the moment

[whole salmon]

So only during stab and the terrible shield from skill 2 stays the same got it

At least now we can use her to bait Jintsuu Meta

[narrow aspen]

Well, when they fix it AGAIN, at least...

[whole salmon]

Lmao now that I think about it

The one that counter her the most is also the one that counters Laffey 2

And that is Alsace

Triple burn stacking

[whole salmon]

WAIT NO

It’s not invulnerability, it is disabling hit boxes

Meaning Jintsuu Meta’s torp won’t be blocked by Mogador invul, it still passes through her body

Instead of sacrificing herself, now she sacrifices others

The torps would phase through Mogador and hit someone else

[narrow aspen]

Yep

[fickle echo]

Just use Mogador+Juneau

[narrow aspen]

🧠

[lusty hill]

Heal meta :god:

[ornate frigate]

What's the pvp meta nowadays? I'm still using

[whole salmon]

Musashi, New Jersey, Soyuz, Jintsuu Meta, Laffey 2, Fortune Meta, Shimakaze, Juneau

[astral mortar]

Is Alsace being Good for PvP?

[boreal comet]

Find out in a few weeks

[sharp hemlock]

CN didn’t like that buff at all

To give a good idea what CN is doing rn, use this convenient Ren & Stimpy gif as an example

https://tenor.com/view/ren-and-stimpy-ren-stimpy-stimpy's-invention-strangle-gif-10338159166453175707

[brazen socket]

The problem with mogadors buff is her travel back into formation, her wind up and duration are fine

[gloomy sand]

Has potential, need testing to see her value. She squishy af though, might have to compromise some things to make her fit in a fleet or two

[brazen socket]

She dies when going back since she still is collecting majority of the damage, the 1.5s "invul" is gone on her way back.

[sharp hemlock]

There’s like 3-5+ new videos from today on Bili Bili being memed out of her dying in endgame content / her simulation post hotfix

I can send them if you like

[brazen socket]

Please do

Can you send these in dms instead and delete? To avoid flooding

[sharp hemlock]

Oh sure no problem sorry about that

Lemme try that again

[brazen socket]

Its fine its fine

[sharp hemlock]

I can sorta answer that question with having an almost maxed one (not 200 affinity)

Alsace’s barrage is very weird and doesn’t exactly hit the targets with the zig zag arrows that well but they still can hit. Her heal barrage does little to no dmg to enemies. BUT, she is good with French setups and also every time she fires her salvos, she’ll grant her debuff to another ship while there already being one with the dmg taken increase debuff

Including her unique reloading process she can get her guns out a little, but not massively faster but still nice if you’re using a low RLD time gun like Georgia gun or FDG gun. Also her fire damage over time can stack with Richilieu’s so it isn’t just getting hurt with one singular 119 dmg every 3 seconds

[lusty hill]

can you send me too

[sharp hemlock]

Okie

Tbh just them making these videos are sorta like a message that she needs to be buffed a lot more to do what she’s wanting to do

[lusty hill]

sonn they just delete mogador from the game

[sharp hemlock]

I see it more like they wont admit they accidentally rose the bar of expectations w/ Laffey II

[boreal comet]

Just poorly designed ship

Laffey II has nothing to do with it

[lusty hill]

kid named intentional game design

[trail temple]

Easier to check the pins and read the spreadsheet, that way you can keep up to date

[brazen socket]

This is kinda like ligma

[lusty hill]

guys what is ligma :champogWide:

[brazen socket]

Ligma balls

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-22455895

[zinc phoenix]

Pilica from amagi?

[narrow aspen]

[zinc phoenix]

Randomly saw the name in victory screen

[narrow aspen]

Lel

Always nice to meet fellow Amagi peeps

[lusty hill]

@tonight1

[gloomy sand]

I miss miraisenpai. 1tonight amagi alt

Guy did not accept my friend requests

[whole salmon]

Send me too

I’m interested

Mogador went from negative potential to now breakeven potential

That still means 0 potential

Honestly think she is better if they remove the first skill

[sharp hemlock]

CN is still rioting hardcore near and potentially beyond Anson levels over them just wanting her to be invincible during her gimmick, thats rly it-

But sure

[whole salmon]

Tbh I think she should be invincible

Otherwise at least have her survivability on par with Laffey 2

Her shield barely does anything

Since she still needs to take damage first

[sharp hemlock]

Ppl already say she’s op beyond Laffey II if she gets this

Which isn’t true

Also her shield is 20% of the dmg that was dealt to her if it was from a source thats slower than her

[whole salmon]

Wait where did you send

[sharp hemlock]

Sending

[whole salmon]

I see the ping but not message pop up

Weird

Discord mbruh

[whole salmon]

The issue is the 3 second cooldown between activation

And that she still needs to take the damage in order to block it

And it is only 20% of the damage taken

[sharp hemlock]

Just make it 30% to compensate

[whole salmon]

Meaning if she has 3000 HP, she takes 500 HP of damage, now she can block 100 HP

But if it has 3 sec cooldown

The shield might be wasted on a lower HP attack

[sharp hemlock]

Won’t matter, devs are gonna make her busted by how mad CN is after their first attempt

[whole salmon]

[sharp hemlock]

We’ll just see ig

[whole salmon]

Also was the bug fixed

The bug that stop backline from firing

[sharp hemlock]

Not sure yet

[whole salmon]

Very mbruh

[sharp hemlock]

Hopefully they do

[whole salmon]

Tier Unused UR

[sharp hemlock]

All I know is ppl are so mad on CN that they are blaming Azur Promilla / Demanding refunds on Moga skin in gems

[whole salmon]

Instead of Ultra Rarity, it is Unused Rarity

Even then, Alsace seems quite ok no?

Triple burn stacking has potential

[sharp hemlock]

Alsace is good with a short duration gun

Like the Georgia gun

[whole salmon]

Loads of instance of damage of damage that theoretically can deal with Laffey

[sharp hemlock]

Bc while she has a preload her secondary volley is already loading

[whole salmon]

And her burns lasts for a long time

[sharp hemlock]

Her burn can also stack with richilieus

They’ll still do 119

But twice

[whole salmon]

Yeah it is multiple instances of damage

Which is better at dealing with Laffey 2 than burst damage

[sharp hemlock]

Issue is her debuff grant is randomly picked

But it’s still a mark for death

[whole salmon]

Yeah that’s also the issue

But tbh even if she marks a backliner, triple burn is still gonna hurt

[sharp hemlock]

In that department it’s mission failed successfully

She’ll still be ridding an annoying target

[whole salmon]

Alsace and Mogador are both interesting but for completely different reasons

Alsace could potentially bring back anti frontline comps with preloads and burns

While Mogador is now a new status symbol for meme fleet

[sharp hemlock]

Note her barrage acts odd in PVP

[whole salmon]

“Walled by a Mogador” is something I hope I never see

[sharp hemlock]

And not entirely accurate to hit shots when they arch and zig zag

Which is messed up

[whole salmon]

Or “lose to Mogador in pvp”

[sharp hemlock]

As they are locked in targeting on PVE

[whole salmon]

And yeah heal barrage deals no damage

The datamine said those have 1 raw damage

Which is mbruh

[sharp hemlock]

I don’t get why the devs thought that was a good idea

But note this

Once that skills maxed

The heal is rather fast

And it’s that percent of their HP I think

Or alsaces

[whole salmon]

Very interesting

Alsace has potential

We’ll see how she turns out

[sharp hemlock]

She does but she requires a little requirements

She’s best w/ a mono French pvp fleet

Which I happen to use bc I know the tricks with them

[whole salmon]

Yeah but at high end pvp, it doesn’t really matter about ship req or gear req

For newer players then yea conventional comps would be easier to build

[sharp hemlock]

Also at the same time her judgement stacking thing just makes sure her debuff is permanent

On the ships that have them

Rather than impacting barrages

Or other stuff

It’s directly not super important but it’s convenient

Also she increases her own crit rate by a little bit and other French ships (8%). And also increases her own FP by 15%, so she isn’t mandated to need a French Richie FP boost outside of French setups

Overall, the more she fires her salvos and procs a debuff on enemies overtime the more of an advantage you have over your enemy.

[narrow aspen]

The current situation

[lusty hill]

mogador died so we can meme

[brazen socket]

@narrow aspen Ello the last section of the meme you sent is too violent so it has to be removed

[narrow aspen]

All good

[lusty hill]

no lolicon but her swimsuit skin is pretty cute

[winged depot]

keep it in the other server serenity

[lusty hill]

:serenity:

[whole salmon]

Well her skills are changed a second time

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/malevolent-kitchen-malevolent-shrine-gordon-ramsay-memes-sukuna-domain-expansion-gif-12755234259826741509

[lusty hill]

is mogador good at pvp

[spiral owl]

sounds like laffey 2 with extra steps

[brazen socket]

and she isn't constant with the invuln

so we don't have two invulnerable terrors walking around

[hollow walrus]

JintM/Mog/Laffey
Trust

[gloomy sand]

Mog might be big

if she was in those akaga pvp metas or smth

don't think she'll be a threat nowadays since all the gears used nowadays will fire just after her 2.5s invuln effect stops working

[whole salmon]

What’s more, the stabbing happens at 12 sec, also around when Akagi and Kaga fires so they could maximize the debuff

Not only is she a counter to the foxes, she also supports the foxes

She also counters Anchorage due to stabbing happening outside of shield duration

Another cases of “right ship wrong time” perhaps

[hollow walrus]

just wondering but could you use her to make jintm drop her load sooner (the on death torps)

[whole salmon]

Yes I brought it up before

But it is in a bit of an “ehh” situation

Since Mogador’s invul state disables the hit box

So Jintsuu’s torps would phase through Mogador and potentially hit someone else

[hollow walrus]

actually just wondering. I heard that if you put her tank she can sometimes force your entire vanguard to go to her instead of teleporting back

[whole salmon]

So that isn’t really a solution to an issue but more so just delaying the inevitable

[whole salmon]

That’s interesting

I’ll never ever do that

[hollow walrus]

Idk if this was fixed tho

but I saw some vids of tank Mogador dragging the entire vanguard to her instead of going back to the vanguard only if she was tank

[whole salmon]

It feels too risky for too little reward

This whole Mogador thing

[hollow walrus]

ultimate throw defence team

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/excuses-files-cabinet-gif-12019483

[trail temple]

[stable dawn]

Since her skill triggers at 12s instead of on battle start, she's not even good at throwing. She might die to preload/barrages before ever triggering once

[deft escarp]

You can trigger Juneau's heal even sooner

[gloomy mural]

can someone make me op army?

[narrow aspen]

Will depend on your available ships/equipment
Also, the sheet in the first pin might be able to guide you in constructing one for yourself

[gloomy mural]

i only have 2 of the ships in the guide

nj and fdg

these are my best ships

[narrow aspen]

Ye, OK, that's tough

Let me think

[gloomy mural]

my gear is also really shit

[narrow aspen]

I'd probably try something like... NJ/Aquila/Vittorio + Duca/Noshiro/Idk Belfast?
Just hammering together something... vaguely plausible
But you definitely cannot expect to face any reasonably serious defence fleet at present simply on account of levels

[gloomy mural]

currently runnning this btw (idk why)

[narrow aspen]

In terms of stuff for future, apart from gaining levels
-Get FDG to Dev 30
-Get Anchorage from PR4
-I'd also get Juneau

Simply put, just don't expect too much right this second
Oh, I see you're on Amagi
We have like 50%+ meme fleets, so you can at least get over those probably

[gloomy mural]

how do you know what server im on 😭

[serene epoch]

tbh for now I would focus on pve ships and fleets, getting more 120+ units, etc

[narrow aspen]

It says in your roles

Ye that is good advice

[gloomy mural]

kinda hardstuck atm

[narrow aspen]

Def don't focus PvP right now, bc a LOT more important things need to be done on the PvE side

In saying that, though, both FDG and Anch are valuable PvE units as well, so I would get/train them

[serene epoch]

after done with ongoing event go to w12+ and farm it for exp, coins and chips
dunno what you mean by hardstuck
also can farm some drop only ships

[gloomy mural]

cant get better ships and gear bc i got trash ships and gear

[uneven sphinx]

Focus on New Jersey, get blueprints for FDG. you can use Aquila/Hiryuu Retrofit if you want some PvP wins. For the vanguard ships use noshiro and yukikaze

[uneven sphinx]

You got some good ships. You just need to level them and level their skills

[trail temple]

Sometimes the answer really is: "I can't, you're coping"

Wanna say this guy is quite new to the game, explains the level and gear

[gloomy sand]

Alsace I think has potential. Too early to tell though

For now, fulfill this shopping list:

• Anchorage
• Harbin (pr5)/Shima (soon™️)
• Juneau Retrofit
• Fs3+ FdG
• Kearsarge
• Clear and farm OpSi for gear materials
• Play the game

[boreal comet]

The Anson curse be upon thee

[light crystal]

guys, is moggers meta

[trail temple]

Yeah, she's a key component of the "gspot" fleet

[boreal comet]

[lusty hill]

:ranchSexCalm:

[gloomy sand]

Seggs

[sudden spoke]

[gloomy sand]

Not many have found the GSpot

thus

Most pvpers are virgins

[narrow aspen]

One day the greater AL community is going to organise a Spanish Inquisition to arrest, imprison, and probably execute all PvPers
And we possibly may deserve it

[lusty hill]

if they excecute all pvpers then I can get r1

[narrow aspen]

There's a story told by the fourth World Chess Champion, Alexander Alekhine, of a dream he had of dying and going to the afterlife, meeting St Peter at the pearly gates. Peter stopped him from entering heaven, saying that no chess players were allowed in heaven. While dismayed, Alekhine happened to spot milling about in heaven none other than his old rival Efim Bogoljubow. However, when Alekhine pointed it out to St Peter, St Peter replied that Bogoljubow was allowed in heaven because "he only thinks he is a chess player."
So, in analogy, when the AL community comes for us, serenity will be spared execution because the tribunal will realise that he only thinks he is a PvPer.

[finite fog]

you're also a pvper

[hidden robin]

soooo.... did anyone try Alsace in pvp?

[boreal comet]

https://tenor.com/view/inquisition-monty-python-spanish-inquisition-walk-in-gif-17117394

[sudden spoke]

Okay thats enough you lot

Back to your cage

[lusty hill]

it's gonna take couple of weeks to evaluate how good she is in pvp

[pulsar rain]

how good is the new morgador torp in pvp?

[lusty hill]

there was a bug couple days ago that make the torps incredibly op but now the bug has been patched

[pulsar rain]

so it's still good right

[lusty hill]

no

[gloomy sand]

bug has been fixed now, so nope

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1081605862189174834/1242799457909735534/Record_2024-05-22-19-18-03_41be58ba4732ca6a1097a3b2524cd3ac.mp4?ex=66527270&is=665120f0&hm=b0f63404941480a0c8411b9af96404950d97fbc992ca999c17429ffb713b415e&

here's how it looked like when it was up

[trail temple]

I hope no one spent their hard earned gold plates

[narrow aspen]

[brazen socket]

not like you have anything else to spend them on unless you want to for whatever reason have a bajillion +13 quads

[stable dawn]

you mean a billion ASW torps for w15

[trail temple]

You're correct with me, because I've collecting them since OpSi began. Not everyone has the luxury of having a surplus of gold plates

[brazen socket]

oh right

[boreal comet]

Quads are

Giga overrated

[lusty hill]

Give me some

[gloomy sand]

i slacc on torp plates

honestly

jerjer

[zealous wagon]

About new ur
Will it become top tier or not?

[fickle echo]

Top tier? No
Better than average? Maybe

No matter how well she does the fact she has no defenses hold her back from being top tier

Still a better PvP ship than Bis2

[narrow aspen]

How the heck do you get her ready so fast

[gloomy sand]

gaming

[fickle echo]

Wdym ready?

[narrow aspen]

Still better than me
I 🐌

[zealous wagon]

So Heisenberg team will still the top tier then
Aight thanks

[gloomy sand]

General use fleet

Alsace is another option added for specific scenarios and fleets

[iron mortar]

that high level so fast wow

[foggy whale]

Exp books

[sharp hemlock]

Also she fits best with a low RLD gun as her debuff can apply to more than a single target per firing via her beam barrage before everything else

Combining her with Richie, Alsace, and Flandre is a nasty combo too (Flandre is shelling mainly so give her the nastiest gun you got)

[steel coral]

me when im in captain rank

[fickle echo]

As cool as 3 French backline sounds there's no ship in both their factions who's able to survive Musashi and kill her back

[sharp hemlock]

me killing musashi with a 3 french backline / 3 french frontline

maybe im just crazy that I can pull it off a bit

who knows

[nocturne temple]

does the bonus score work in the same way for negative values? so 35 diff means -1 score?

[lusty hill]

richie

[lusty hill]

if you fight anyone below your point you already get -1

[nocturne temple]

even 1 rank difference?

[lusty hill]

yes

i think 35 diff is -2 and so on

[gloomy sand]

send da video

[sharp hemlock]

yay barely, Ill try to get one when I have the time

[sharp hemlock]

Got video

Do you want me to send it in here or DM?

[gloomy sand]

dm

[sharp hemlock]

wont let me bc it says I cant dm you-

not rly the MB limit issue

[gloomy sand]

sent friend req

[undone blade]

Some of us are in LilEnty server 😜

.
Who would you want to fire first between Soyuz and Alsace? Mk4 vs 457

[fickle echo]

I didn't even test reload because I didn't got her max aff yet I'm just using whatever works for now

She should probably fire before anyone else because she's too frail to tank hits

[narrow aspen]

[undone blade]

What about in PvE? Do people like Vanguard or Soyuz to fire first? I'm 🤔 Soyuz became of her slow even if she misses out on Vanguard's debuff?

[fickle echo]

That's a question for gph not here

[lusty hill]

vanguard doesn't need to fire first cuz her debuff starts when she finished her reload, so you just need for her to have the same reload as the first BB that fire, for example this can be achieved by equiping musashi with gaming table and double shell for vanguard, and with vanguard high rld she will still sync on hte subsequence salvo too

[narrow aspen]

If you can the order should be Vanguard --> Soyuz --> Bismarck
(although arranging this order is non-trivial)

[lusty hill]

personally I don't use soyuz on my BB fleet, cuz her reload is too slow

[narrow aspen]

... Seren, don't you use Musashi...?

[lusty hill]

yes

vanguard, musashi, zwei

[narrow aspen]

How do you complain about slow RLD with Musashi there
That or you use a ridiculously different equipment setup to me

[boreal comet]

Does anything you ever say makes sense

[lusty hill]

bruh i literally said musashi get gaming table so that she sync with vanguard

and soyuz slow reload perfectly sync for my CV fleet

[gloomy sand]

he doesn't know

[narrow aspen]

Apparently not

[gloomy sand]

chat that's crazy

[narrow aspen]

[lusty hill]

so i don't see why I should replace vanguard with soyuz

[narrow aspen]

I suggest replacing Musashi
Although I guess that's sacrilege to someone who holds she is the best BB

[boreal comet]

Serenity also thinks the only good CV in the game is Shinano

[narrow aspen]

Serenity truly is... unique
Sui generis
Nobody else is quite like him

[lusty hill]

:ranchSexCalm:

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/cristiano-ronaldo-ronaldo-ronaldo-siuuu-ronaldo-the-goat-sewy-gif-17616218981871012597

[trail temple]

Going back to cough PvP cough context, does explain the losses to dumb fleets

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-my-honest-reaction-btr-gif-27259519

[sharp hemlock]

Same in Avrora

https://tenor.com/view/mgrr-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-armstrong-raiden-handshake-gif-25514798

[sharp hemlock]

Plus if you know the right combination of ships to use French wise in pvp, then it can even beat some meta setups rn due to Alsace a little bit in turn with Richie and Flandre

[hard cairn]

can i win

my team

[brazen socket]

More than capable

[lusty hill]

probably yes

[hard cairn]

ok gonna hit

[brazen socket]

Remember its 2 ships that are fresh out of an event

[finite fog]

you can pause and retry without penalty

[lusty hill]

preload good in pvp

[hard cairn]

CLose ONE

helena, roon and warsprite died

[sharp hemlock]

And one of them still needs their bug fixes and buffs- 😔

[hard cairn]

richelieu

[sharp hemlock]

Richilieu, Alsace, Flandre

[hard cairn]

tbh for me Richilieu is my most fav

bruh my warsprite keeps almost dying

[whole salmon]

How did you almost lose a 6 v 2

Mbruh

[hard cairn]

i ahve no idea

[whole salmon]

[lusty hill]

show gear

[hard cairn]

bro is captain level 117 and im 59

[narrow aspen]

A little bad gearing goes a long way

[hard cairn]

tbh it might be this

[sharp hemlock]

Also her crits rate boost for a mono faction French PVP makes a slight difference too bc everyone can crit more and Brest can benefit from a higher probability to crit bc of her crit dmg boost than crit rate-

[hard cairn]

but why mention brest

shes not there

[sharp hemlock]

I’m just saying it in general for anyone who maybe is using her

Ik she ain’t there “XD

But Mogador benefits too from it atleast

[trail temple]

One thing I have learned over the years is to trust NArd's intuition, he's not wrong about a lot of things

[boreal comet]

I trust serenity's intuition

:EssexChoccyMilk:

[lusty hill]

when you're in doubt, always asks yourself what would serenity do

[gloomy sand]

So losing?

[lusty hill]

:KMShima:

[narrow aspen]

So serenity is basically advising us to all throw one game this set

Proposition: The whole of Avrora could do this, and still gatekeep serenity from EoS.

[trail temple]

Statement has aged well, so far

[serene epoch]

ofc, there's no way way they can kill enty

[hard cairn]

ohh enty was full hp(almost)

warsprite was the one that got fked

and my vanguard

[gloomy sand]

you have a bright future ahead of you

don't go waste it on pvp

[brazen socket]

oh ye

how good is the new rainbow dd gun as a secondary

lol

[lusty hill]

Extra fp for nj good

[sharp hemlock]

its better than the single 138.6

it's a dps gun rather than spew out AOA barrages like the 100mm kai w/ near same good modifiers in light, boost in Medium, and little difference in heavy. It's just like 0.04-0.05s longer than its golden single counterpart I believe too. And since it's AP it's a lot straighter and doesn't " disperse " like the single when firing

[keen silo]

looks like someone misunderstood the question

[flint python]

Sounds like someone from gph would say

[boreal comet]

We don't do that here

[trail temple]

Think the jury's out on this one

[trail temple]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-nah-nope-please-no-cut-it-gif-4580587

[brazen socket]

So uhh not that great?

[trail temple]

Downgrade your response by one, and you'll be close enough

[brazen socket]

Not that good

[lusty hill]

what about the extra fp for nj?

:clueless:

[trail temple]

The amount of additional main gun damage you'll do with it will be made up for, and exceeded, by having the extra range to shoot at vg

[lusty hill]

make sense

so the extra fp only good in pve I assume

[gloomy sand]

60 range

Meh

Better used on Laffey II or Mogador (if she sees usage, which is quite likely for those testing out).

edit: not sure though

[fading isle]

yeah UR gun just lack range for secondary BB

[neon bronze]

UR gun only for those with UR level skills

[light crystal]

r the weird shop torps good or nah

[narrow aspen]

They were good, until they fixed them

As they stand, they're basically better Quint 533s

(If you want to do manual face torping, just keeping using the Quint 610s)

[boreal parcel]

I'm very pleased with Alsace's performance in exercises so far. And my Alsace is still only lvl 103 with none of her skills fully maxed

[stable dawn]

Alsace is good?????

[half silo]

is pvp good for alsace

[narrow aspen]

Asking the really important questions

Follow-up question, is PvP good for anyone?

[narrow aspen]

Ngl, they should let Mog keep her current skill 1 for PvP
Watching her Leroy Jenkins herself is kinda entertaining

[spare venture]

Good for anyone who wants to collect 990-1000 unopened mails

[fickle echo]

Not instantly opening every mail that doesn't have oil smh

[trail temple]

I'm very pleased with Prinz Eugen's performance in exercises so far. And my Prinz Eugen is the OG version without her augment

I might be able to eos with her

[stable dawn]

[junior trench]

This feels very odd to hear.

[trail temple]

Our current vanguard options can support Eugen's weaknesses

[junior trench]

I’m actually curious in who you’re using with her.

[boreal comet]

I'm very pleased with @lusty hill's performance in exercises so far. And he's still only lvl69 with none of his skill issues maxed

[whole salmon]

CN Alsace testing should be out at the end of the week

As the Skills are getting maxed soon

[junior trench]

Mogador as well? Or later?

[whole salmon]

General consensus over there is looking forward to the burn stack Alsace can do with Richlieu

[whole salmon]

Oh that? They really dislike Mogador

I doubt it would get any testing at all

[junior trench]

Oof? Why?

[whole salmon]

The only testings I have seen of her is her dying or causing bugs

[junior trench]

Oh I see

I forgot about that

[boreal comet]

Mogador doesn't one shot a ship every 12s

[whole salmon]

You didn’t know? Mogador was so bad the devs needed to buff her twice

[boreal comet]

Therefore she bad

[whole salmon]

CN has been complaining over the past week

[junior trench]

I know you’re referring to the dash jump thing she does, wasn’t that going to be patched soon?

[whole salmon]

Yes but the stigma of it still exist

They really don’t like her

It basically went from “near death experience” to “guaranteed loss of HP”

[boreal comet]

It's patched but not on EN

[whole salmon]

Of which you have to gamble on it not hitting Laffey 2

[boreal comet]

So far she seems to be doing fine

[junior trench]

Tbh, she has a Torp Preload, which I’d argue is already a good thing for her

[boreal comet]

At least she got the speed for it

[whole salmon]

Speed isn’t an issue anymore

When everyone is running 2 DD 1 CL comps

Mogador just doesn’t seem worth while taking a slot

While Alsace has a lot more potential

Triple burn stacking could melt a Laffey 2

Even if the triple burn stack comp doesn’t work as intended, Alsace would likely still have a place somewhere in pvp regardless

[junior trench]

I mean, arguably though, then wouldn’t that cover for Mogador having a hard time dealing with Laffey?

[whole salmon]

Yes, but having a Laffey 2 is still better than not having a Laffey 2, counter or not

[junior trench]

What vanguards are people running on CN then?

[whole salmon]

Standard Jintsuu Meta, Laffey 2, Fortune Meta

Last slot can be either Juneau or Shimakaze

What about it

The comp we have on EN is quite similar with CN already

[junior trench]

In regards to over Fortune?

[whole salmon]

JP just have their own playground with Bismarck Zwei usage

[whole salmon]

If we wanted damage we would have used Shimakaze

The reason Fortune Meta exist is for utility of torp wiping

And Mogador is no Shimakaze

[junior trench]

No I know, I was asking a question because your statement I tagged wasn’t clear who you were referring to as the “last slot”

[whole salmon]

Yeah, last slot depends on what you value

Fortune Meta for torp wiping, Juneau for heal

And Shimakaze for damage

It just depends on your playstyle at that point

Realistically Mogador is competing for this slot but it is really hard to see what she offers over the others aside from gun damage and speed

While Alsace seems to have quite a concrete and strong kit

[junior trench]

I mean, I’d see her having a possible place in a Burn Damage comp since she benefits from the effect.

[gloomy sand]

cooking

[whole salmon]

We’ll see

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/呪術廻戦-jujutsu-kaisen-주술회전-주술-ryomen-sukuna-gif-3023993122676235381

[whole salmon]

But I don’t think I’m keen on losing Fortune Meta or Juneau

Backline will be destroyed by Jintsuu Meta on either of those cases

[trail temple]

Have a ship that alleviates torps and Eugen won't immediately die. Tbh, I did it for a meme and it should remain that way

[whole salmon]

Fortune Meta out here saving CAs and CBs from torps. But most importantly, she saves the BBs from getting sniped

[junior trench]

I understand, I was kind of curious, since idk I figured Roon M would be the better choice for that kind of team, since she’s pretty much a better version of PE

That does remind me. The Magador Torps, how are they? Any reason to use them over the current torps?

[narrow aspen]

Only before they were fixed

After, they're just better normal Quint 533s

[stable dawn]

you're saying they can get worse?

[narrow aspen]

[stark ice]

[undone vault]

for pvp, is laffey 2 a good replacement for Shimakaze, since I don't have her

[gloomy sand]

Arguably even better

Sure she doesn't have the burst dmg of Shima. But she is pretty tanky for a DD

[undone vault]

oh?

[grim solar]

Current meta comps use Laffey II a lot, so yes.

[undone vault]

I see

[grim solar]

That said, we still use Shimakaze because she counters Anchorage's comp.

[undone vault]

is this a good attack and defence team? Just got into pvp i am not joking lol

idk how good unzen is tho

[grim solar]

You got Soyuz?

[undone vault]

sadly no

[grim solar]

JintsuuM? FortuneM?

[gloomy sand]

Frontline is ehh, Backline is workable nowadays

though 3 BB is the current meta

[grim solar]

^

[undone vault]

just looked, neither

[grim solar]

Oof.

[undone vault]

I see, in other servers I kept getting told to use Shinano so I wanted to double check

[gloomy sand]

Ouch. Can use Ancho - Juneau - Laffey II for frontline

[grim solar]

For backline, could probably use FDG as a replacement for Shinano, assuming you have her.

[gloomy sand]

hmm, that was meta back before Jintsuu META arrived

Show dock, we consider your options past those six on your fleet

[grim solar]

Ideally you can also check the pins and bump your dock with the meta comps to check what you can work with.

[undone vault]

sorry for all the images lol

[grim solar]

There you go. You have options with Kearsarge and FDG.

[undone vault]

so I replace Shinano with FDG right

[grim solar]

Yeah.

[undone vault]

I do have Juno just not built

[grim solar]

Vanguard is a big oof though since no Anchorage or Juneau so you'll have trouble.

[undone vault]

oh juneau not juno

lol my bad

[grim solar]

Yeah.

[undone vault]

I was told Yukikaze, or is she no longer in the current meta?

[grim solar]

I'm actually not informed if she's still relevant.

[finite fog]

she's not

[undone vault]

alright, I'll farm for Anchorage and Juneau, thanks for the help fellas

[grim solar]

Good luck with the grind.

[trail temple]

Whoever told you to use ykkz and nano is a couple of years behind in the meta...

Nano less so

[whole salmon]

Wait wait guys

[trail temple]

But ykkz has been cope for a lot longer

[whole salmon]

What was the SSR again

The french SSR of this event

[undone vault]

I could see why

brennus?

or that

[whole salmon]

Yeah Brennus

[trail temple]

I am having a sense of impending doom

[whole salmon]

CN is testing Brennus as last slot

I’ll check out to see what it is like

Gearing is interesting

[undone vault]

doesn't BRennus require other vichiya or Iris chips to get paired with?

[trail temple]

CN are testing Alsace

[undone vault]

cause Alsace/Brennus looks really good

[trail temple]

So, that req is filled

[undone vault]

but im a newbie so idk

[whole salmon]

Interesting, I forgot Brennus entirely

I was only focused on trying to make Mogador work

[undone vault]

the constant shield + swords mechanic looks really cool

[trail temple]

What are they liking about Branus?

[undone vault]

every 5s it's a shield + Barrage if paired with Iris or Vichiya ships

iirc

20s every barrage

5s regains shield

if her swords are gone she decreases DMG taken

and also shield is at start of battle

if someone drops below 50% hp she does a sword slash

[whole salmon]

She clears torps but not as well as Fortune

[trail temple]

That's the blue skill when her swords disappear, right?

[whole salmon]

It is when a ship is low health that she clears the torps

The sword shield doesn’t clear torps

Feels like Fortune Meta is still better in this regard

[undone vault]

yes

[whole salmon]

It is this

[undone vault]

the yellow one is the improved version which requires same faction ships

[whole salmon]

Once per battle, when the HP of a ship in your fleet falls below 50% as a result of DMG taken: performs a Lv.1 (Lv.10) special slashing attack (DMG is based on the skill's level; if there is another Iris Libre or Vichya Dominion ship in your fleet when this attack activates: improves this attack

It is only once per battle

And requires your ship to be low HP

[trail temple]

That's what I was referring to, yes