pvp

[empty crater]

[neon bronze]

help yourself before helping others

[torpid shuttle]

found msn

[stable dawn]

shinano won't have buffs

[scenic tendon]

Not oathed.

Smh.

[stable dawn]

[scenic tendon]

You need Yukikaze.

[junior trench]

I mean, there are a few other IJN DDs that could be used.

[scenic tendon]

IJN
DD
Survive

[junior trench]

Noshiro also exists

[scenic tendon]

Consider who can survive longer.

Can't you?

Anyway, time for some fun.

[junior trench]

Idk

[finite fog]

1toxic

[scenic tendon]

I'm not toxic. You guys just need to think about it carefully before asking.

They didn't teach it in school?

[brazen socket]

MSN jumpscare

[torpid shuttle]

I had the better vanguard rng

didnt bother testing more tho

[brazen socket]

msn seems strong the only problem I have with shinano is the reason why she is also living

Laffey

Actually, what are yalls thoughts on sushi shinano vanny

Would test but no +13 wyverns

[whole salmon]

@stable dawn CN side has no desire to test new rainbow plane and has quite negative outlook of the torp. As for the BB gun, it seems like their stance is indifferent as HE isn’t as relevant

That’s all for the recap

[scenic tendon]

Less damage that a +13 torp bomber.

Hmm...

Someone should +13 it.

[late heath]

Yes, you

[trail temple]

Reminds me of the days when a certain someone used to ask people to do things he wouldn't be caught doing himself

[neon bronze]

[scenic tendon]

Not me.

I'm only at lvl 125.

Don't have plates.

[light crystal]

Wait a fcking minute

Are we supposed to change our Wyverns for Spearfish instead now?

[stoic vector]

i think it's crazy that the time i used to play pvp a lot more is considered "prehistoric" lol

[light crystal]

Well, not that I use CV's anymore, so it doesn't impact me too much I guess, other than using Hiryuu on Defence

[stoic vector]

my oldest message in this channel is more than 5 years old that's crazy

[light crystal]

I don't wanna waste 300+ plates to +13 a niche rainbow TB

@trail temple Are Spearfish supplanting Wyverns now for the CV's that matter?

[trail temple]

Pros:

• It's faster (reload, by about a second)
• May have higher crash damage alpha (haven't checked the wiki so that value is not yet known to me)

Cons:

• Lower damage per torp
• Rockets whiff
• Doesn't intercept

tl;dr probably not

[light crystal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8ve4pouQJk

I'll save the plates for now then.

[whole salmon]

For pvp? Probably no

It not intercepting is honestly a huge set back

Tho if they were to release a time stop CV with preload then it could be useful as a Laffey counter

[light crystal]

One of you brave bstards spend 300 plates and test it for science then

[stoic vector]

iirc eldridge wasn't actually good in pvp back then, vanguards used to be juneau + yuki + (bel/noshiro/jintsuu/aurora/sheff/aya kai)

[whole salmon]

Missiles don’t have consistent hit rate in this state of fast frontline comps

[light crystal]

Can't be 100% unless you test it

[trail temple]

1tonight considers himself brave

[light crystal]

[whole salmon]

Eldridge was not top meta but she was used

Also you mentioned Yukikaze, she’s not early

She’s an event ship that was released way later

[stoic vector]

yuki/noshiro were later for sure

[light crystal]

Holy crap, I didn't realize I had so few of these

[trail temple]

Noshiro was much later, pretty sure ykkz was in the general pool by then

[stoic vector]

wait yukikaze was 2019 though lol

[whole salmon]

That’s late

Like really late

[stoic vector]

oh wait looking at my old message timestamps now and yeah that's late

[whole salmon]

Day 1 frontlines are wack

Juneau was used yes

But the other slots are like Eugen, Cleveland, Fortune, Takao, Belfast

Starters weren’t used until they have their retrofits

[stoic vector]

oh yeah fortune was in fact a thing

oh yeah helena was also used (helena enty rng!!!)

[trail temple]

History repeats itself

Fortune is back in, sorta...

[hollow walrus]

Wait the og fortune was a thing?

why was she used back then?

[stoic vector]

used so your backline didn't get completely nuked by akaga iirc

[light crystal]

Fortune was a thing in the jurassic area

No, cambrian even

[stoic vector]

oh leander was also used in pvp which was funny

[light crystal]

I started playing on Fall 2018, dont recal fortune being a thing then

So we're talking pre-Oct 2018

[stoic vector]

er i think i started around fall 2018 as well (or some time before then)

[winged depot]

[stoic vector]

oct 27 2018

[trail temple]

👴

[stoic vector]

fortune jumpscare

[winged depot]

it all comes around

fortune is back

sorta

[stoic vector]

yeah unfortunately i can't get back into pvp due to being so far behind in terms of game progression (and lacking a lot of key ships lol)

what do cn/jp pvp metas look like atm? pretty similar or way different

[trail temple]

The machinations of a few may caused deviations in some servers

[stoic vector]

just remembered warspite (pre-kai) was a thing in hms fleets (warspite/qe/hood)

afaik warspite is washed up now

[trail temple]

Warspite hasn't seen much use in almost 4 years

Shinano saw to that

[stoic vector]

i'm pretty sure it was detection gauges that killed it

[trail temple]

Nano killed it, cv detection put her corpse into the furnace, never to be seen again

People tried to bring it back with preload carriers, wasn't the same

[stoic vector]

warspite kai augment when...

[scenic tendon]

Anyway I don't play this season.

Too much jobs have to be done.

See you guys again next season.

[trail temple]

@finite fog

[scenic tendon]

Maybe I do appear as a ordinary student during the day...

Minding my own business, saving my money.

But when the night falls, you won't believe what I become.

I go sleep.

That's all.

[finite fog]

[brazen socket]

By the time warspite got someone to help her with good damage, italy fleet was realized too late and NJ came out by that point

[zenith lantern]

Warspite was pretty good right after Vanguard came out as an NJ counter. Warspite, NJ, Vanguard was probably the first modern 3BB fleet. Then Musashi came along and Warspite can't hit hard enough to deal with her.

[stable dawn]

FdG: am I a joke to you

[late heath]

wait til an OP HMS flagship come out and Monarch become meta again

[lusty hill]

Warspite was pretty cool back on vanguard era

I beat my first mafia with her

[trail temple]

Warkai was hardly threatening post opsi

Maybe on attack you could get by

[steel coral]

I used warkai during mafia era up until seyd release

[trail temple]

I did try Warkai against players like Famine, Forbs and Rumia, suffice to say it landed me a 50% wr

[candid olive]

why is there a CN and JP meta? Don't all regions have the same ships?

[hollow walrus]

some regions prefer different playstyles

[candid olive]

I see the new Scissors Vanguard meta has been updated.

Jintsuu META, Laffey II, Fortune META. I saw this started in CN.

too bad I wasn't playing when Musashi had her banner so I can't run one of the top-tier fleets.

Is there a next-best ship to replace Musashi with?

[neon bronze]

can try kearsarge, nj, fdg/vanguard

[zenith lantern]

Specifically with Vanguard. If you didn't run VG too it wasn't worth it but with both of them you'd kill NJ on first volley 100% of the time.

[trail temple]

It was with Vanguard

It didn't work

[zenith lantern]

Did for me, it wasn't good vs Mafia but it was amazing against Weeb which was gaining popularity as a Mafia counter

My tests had it 84% WR vs Weeb while Mafia had only 72%

[whole salmon]

Back then CN and JP used to be like a year ahead but now we are all sort of equal. But because of that difference along with different playstyles depending on region, the “region + meta” kinda stuck to this day

KR region still seems to still be behind the rest

Let alone different regions, back then Amagi had a different Meta compared to the rest of EN. Now Little E have different Meta to the rest of EN

[hollow walrus]

TW is afaik also behind as well

they just got Sushi and York2 event iirc

[neon bronze]

kr region is like 2 weeks behind of cn, jp, en bcs translation stuff

surely they're theoretically up to date on their meta

[scenic tendon]

Man, not playing pvp is great.

Don't have to switch gears.

[late heath]

I haven’t switch gears for pvp constantly in like 2 years

[boreal comet]

Translation: I haven't played the game in 2 years

[floral wave]

just pve with pvp gear

[late heath]

[torpid shuttle]

i do opsi with pvp gear

[late heath]

Same

It’s ez

[neon bronze]

what is opsi

[trail temple]

The only thing I can conclude then, and have said for a while is our environments are just too different

[ocean quest]

👨‍🦯

[scenic tendon]

I'm movin' on.

[winged depot]

https://tenor.com/view/who-asked-gif-19808527

[ocean quest]

rip sandy

[stable dawn]

0tonight

[junior trench]

Operation Siren.
It’s a game mode that has a lot of end game content and is how you get most of the best gear in the game.

[scenic tendon]

Are you serious about being that helpful?

Don't let anyone take advantage of your pure kindness.

[torpid shuttle]

yall sure that is paper is strongest winrate without laffii against rock?

[ocean quest]

can you take advantage of my pure kindness

[scenic tendon]

I don't know if I can take advantage of nothing.

[ocean quest]

okay okay hold up thats quite false im the kindest person around there

[scenic tendon]

That person is me.

Not you.

1dontlie

[boreal comet]

1tookind

[scenic tendon]

[ocean quest]

[ocean quest]

🥉

[scenic tendon]

Washy's behaviour. Keep trying.

You might reach Aiko someday.

[empty crater]

[neon bronze]

how to do opsi?

[lusty hill]

run auto and let everything do the rest

[neon bronze]

how 2 auto?

[lusty hill]

[neon bronze]

sleep = auto game

okay

ty

[scenic tendon]

If you dont oneshot, you are losing.

[wicked surge]

Fr

[arctic ermine]

is stepmom only top tier because it counters kear fleet or is it also good against all other fleets?

[neon bronze]

is good fleet all around
you can also benefit from using WNT flag in a 3 BB fleet if u use any fleet with Vanguard with it since it nerfs opponent def even further

[arctic ermine]

ok cool, thanks chicharon!

[neon bronze]

welcome, glad to help

normally, we wouldn't use WNT on a 3 BB fleet bcs you want to clear fast with 3 BB

[arctic ermine]

i finally got my laff2 to 125 and i had enough bp selectors to dev30 kear, then i saw in the tier list stepmom is higher than kear fleets so i went with stepmom instead. unless...kear is generally better?

[neon bronze]

i prefer Monkey myself, i find fleets with Vanguard in it not my preference sadly
both fleets are consistent enough to land in tier 0

[finite fog]

I much prefer monkey too

Because I don't have vanguard

[lusty hill]

🐒

[boreal comet]

Same

[torpid shuttle]

wntless mnk?

[valid oxide]

Onto what

[scenic tendon]

Priconne's pvp.

[valid oxide]

Oh

In that case good riddance

[scenic tendon]

I often confuse Shinonome and Cleo.

[boreal comet]

Cleo is just slightly smarter

[scenic tendon]

Guys, is Tai Yuan retro good for pvp?

[boreal comet]

She has a snake to scare off the enemy ships so probably yes

[scenic tendon]

She has the chain to catch some guys off-guard.

Just be pure, guys. Hold your horses.

That snake looks real serious.

[valid oxide]

I am going to live in the house located at your home address without prior permission given

[boreal comet]

Ok

Kronshtadt pfp

[scenic tendon]

You guys live together?

Irl pvp.

[valid oxide]

I haven't found a new pfp yet

[scenic tendon]

Go with AvP.

Maid skin.

[valid oxide]

No

I'm gonna look through my gallery

[scenic tendon]

[boreal comet]

Go with a picture of 1tonight

[scenic tendon]

I have 15 pictures of Amagi-chan.

Want some?

Okay I'm not gonna share the gallery to be honest. Didn't make my mind clear.

[valid oxide]

I have Shinano

(I don't actually)

[scenic tendon]

Shinano + Musashi.

I can see it.

[valid oxide]

[boreal comet]

Yes but Shinano bad

[scenic tendon]

[boreal comet]

MSN ded

[valid oxide]

Shinano will become meta again some day

[scenic tendon]

Atleast she can make my Hakuryuu work again.

[sudden spoke]

[scenic tendon]

[valid oxide]

Varia

[boreal comet]

Just use the muricans

[scenic tendon]

Choose a number from 1 to 652.

[sudden spoke]

42

[scenic tendon]

Damn, it's Chicago.

Shinonome, choose your number.

[valid oxide]

16

[scenic tendon]

...

[valid oxide]

[scenic tendon]

Choose a number from 200 to 652.

[valid oxide]

Uh

[scenic tendon]

I can't pick old common and rare ships.

[valid oxide]

243

[scenic tendon]

It's Blucher.

[sudden spoke]

Better i would assume

[scenic tendon]

16 was Foote.

You guys all know what it means.

[sudden spoke]

I don't and i am afraid to ask

[boreal comet]

🅱️aria bad

[scenic tendon]

Can't find any good art.

So default I guess.

[stable dawn]

*🅱️ad, ftfy

[torpid shuttle]

why is the loli chained

[floral wave]

lolice in chains

[neon bronze]

yeah
3 BB isn't a stall fleet. It's an aggro fleet

[valid oxide]

Mnk is 2.5

[scenic tendon]

Amagi-chan is 9

And Beth, you should be sleeping rn.

[neon bronze]

trying both ykkz and juneau variants of msn

[scenic tendon]

Don't make me to tell your mom.

[neon bronze]

Revival

[neon bronze]

id prob overcap even with rushing if i did not

overcapping is gay

[scenic tendon]

I'm not gay.

[neon bronze]

trying to get rid of the stds are hard

[scenic tendon]

Remember guys.

Dying is gay.

So sleep more.

[floral wave]

everyone is gay then

[scenic tendon]

Fuck it.

[floral wave]

no, ill pass

[scenic tendon]

All my friends are gay, all ambitionless
So rude and always negative
I need new friends, but it's not that quick and easy

Can't believe it.

[boreal comet]

How are you any different

[valid oxide]

Me die when

[floral wave]

sometime during your lifespan

[scenic tendon]

Girls can't be gay.

Dw.

Just don't do pvp to shorten your lifespan.

[valid oxide]

Wait a minute

Sleeptonight

Sleep is gay

Gaytonight

[boreal comet]

Exposed

[scenic tendon]

Sleep is not gay.

Wdym?

[valid oxide]

Wait

I'm too tired

[scenic tendon]

Sleep = more chance to survive = less chance to die = less gay.

[valid oxide]

Death is but sleep isnt

[scenic tendon]

Death is gay.

Trust.

[valid oxide]

Deathkt truly

[floral wave]

whats there to trust, everyone knows its a fact

[scenic tendon]

Shinonome is clueless.

[boreal comet]

@pseudo copper getting called out there

[scenic tendon]

We all know that he is gay.

Maybe the gayest in this community.

Tied to Kaine from Washy.

[boreal comet]

But does death die

[scenic tendon]

He is already dead.

Dead inside.

[boreal comet]

Relatable

[scenic tendon]

I suspect Borgar is also dead inside. He sounds like Technoblade.

[valid oxide]

[neon bronze]

ykkz pros

• you satisfy shinano's 3 ijn requirement
• ykkz herself is at just the right spot for tankiness/squishiness that is needed for stall And fortM's requirement to spam her slashes (laff-ii just hardcarries the stalling though)
  ykkz cons
• no juneau, no substantial heal
• lacking in AA, so if enemy has kear in their fleet, your shinano will be revealed before shinano launches her airstrike, reduced dmg Haiyaa

fortM stall
no more sniped shinano before her first airstrike

[torpid shuttle]

revealing shinano doesnt change her crash dmg, does reduce tb dmg tho

[soft echo]

is haku dece for pvp

[oblique silo]

Not really

[neon bronze]

meh, not that good. she's inferior to shinano

[soft echo]

I don't have her yet

[oblique silo]

Current meta counters CVs and torps

[soft echo]

And I'm not going to burn through 400 cubes instantly

[pseudo copper]

You build up the pity in non ur events and daily

[soft echo]

what's the current top 3 mains that aren't shina sashi or implac

[pseudo copper]

So doesn’t matter

[soft echo]

no shit thats why im not doing it

[neon bronze]

you can just use 3 BB and be fine

[pseudo copper]

Implac isn’t top 3

Check pinned doc

[soft echo]

the march one?

[torpid shuttle]

yes

[pseudo copper]

There is only 1 pinned guide docs

[torpid shuttle]

there's the EoS doc

[pseudo copper]

EoS isn’t a guide

Mutsuki network is the Bible

[oblique silo]

Musashi, New Jersey, Kearsarge/Vanguard, Jintsu meta, Laffey 2, Fortune meta is the meta fleet

[soft echo]

i've got nj and ksg but she's not dv30

and laf2

[torpid shuttle]

look at guide for downgrades or alts

[soft echo]

anch/laf2/shima?

[pseudo copper]

No Jintsuu meta?

[soft echo]

didn't farm ehr

i was on deployment

ive got jintsuu kai

[torpid shuttle]

how about fortune meta

[finite fog]

[empty crater]

[ocean quest]

in my basement

[scenic tendon]

Fcking KMS behaviour.

Famine was right.

[lusty hill]

Famine secretly a kms fans

[scenic tendon]

Serenity's mind is something out of this planet.

[lusty hill]

👽

[scenic tendon]

We ain't gonna try to understand you. Whatsoever.

[lusty hill]

[scenic tendon]

Fcking weirdo.

No hate.

[lusty hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1096890946932723853.webp?size=48

[finite fog]

church is leaking

[sour dagger]

New fleet seems to be reliably winning

Only 1 battle so far against a similar fleet that may have had kearsarge instead of vanguard that didn’t seem to be winnable for me, I think laffey was only 122 at the time

[boreal comet]

No way

Not like you're using meta or anything

[neon bronze]

@floral wave
God has given me a revelation

One that might put Meeb back on the menu

[floral wave]

eeeeee

[neon bronze]

(also makes use of the new UR TB lol)

[floral wave]

idk dude

what

why

[torpid shuttle]

i almost lost vs this wtf?

my musashi burned to 1 hp, laffii was still unprocced vs enty

[floral wave]

meeb is back indeed

[neon bronze]

it's fun

my 3rd wyvern only +10 anyway might as well just use new UR TB for a while

even if it's worse

[scenic tendon]

Almost lost = Win.

We only count win rate, not near-lost experience,

[fallen drift]

I don't have the good ships. I can only use what i have on my dock.

Still reliable as long as they didn't fight JiMet combination Fleet

[floral wave]

ancho leftmost if anything

and could swap poi for laffey2 and it should be decent

[ocean quest]

shima tank

[fallen drift]

Y E S

[finite fog]

[fallen drift]

Basically it depends on what i need.

Sometimes i use Ancho as the Tank, Sometimes i use Shima as the Tank.

Well... Ancho has the Manjuu, Shima has the Pearl.

[floral wave]

honestly theres never a point when you want ancho to not tank in this team

[finite fog]

shima usually dies first anyway

[fallen drift]

Correct

[neon bronze]

No FortM?

[fallen drift]

Most of the challenger fleet this time are gun damage dealers. (Since Fortune Meta can wipe out torps)

If i can make shima dies faster, i can reduce damage taken by Ancho

[fallen drift]

Not strong yet

[fallen drift]

Laffey II is also not strong yet in my dock.

I'm still developing it

[floral wave]

fair

to be fair tho

[fallen drift]

Musashi is using faster reloading guns so can barrage rapidly

Jersey using the twin UR

[floral wave]

laffey doesnt even need to be maxed

[fallen drift]

I really don't have anything powerful on my dock

[fallen drift]

It doesn't ?

[finite fog]

also hiryuu is still top tier

[fallen drift]

I mean the Level

[floral wave]

she cant get oneshot

because of her skill

even lvl1 laffey will not die instantly

[finite fog]

people in my server started using laff2 at level 80

[ocean quest]

?????

[fallen drift]

These are the fleets I encounter since 2 past exercise season

(Other player experience not included)

Well its time to grind again

[ocean quest]

🎣

[fallen drift]

Sacrificed Guam's resources

LET ME IN !

LET ME IIIIINNN !

[floral wave]

lvl1 skills sadge

[neon bronze]

[stable dawn]

[lusty hill]

You haven't maxed the skill

[neon bronze]

idm, it'll just come by itself

[scenic tendon]

Have you maxed your gears?

[lusty hill]

[scenic tendon]

My guns are all hypermaxed.

[civic marlin]

Rate this fleet

[stable dawn]

G out of π

[scenic tendon]

Snu snu

This fleet is losing to Laffey.

So I'll rate it as food.

[civic marlin]

Eh, I'll see about that, wonder if the new Iris Torps can help against her.

Got them equipped on Jintsuu Meta

[scenic tendon]

JintM is meta.

But Anchorage and Shimakaze is not.

Surely you can reach aotn easily with this setup.

Just not something like doing 5 attempts in under 4 minutes like some of these gay guys.

[civic marlin]

Attempt no. 1

[winged depot]

you'll do fine

oh nice, you're amagi

[civic marlin]

yep

[scenic tendon]

Amagi...

[neon bronze]

when will u activate miraisenpai account.

[scenic tendon]

I'm doing w14.

I mean exams.

[stable dawn]

why are both side vg so slow

[scenic tendon]

I only login twice a day to restock comm.

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

That looked like a very poorly geared defence fleet ngl

Anchorage and Harbin have also been displaced due to Jintm and fortm

[neon bronze]

rusher vs rusher

[scenic tendon]

Guys, is the new ship pvp viable?

Oh wait, that sob emote.

[winged depot]

your mom is viable

[winged depot]

that's like 80% of amagi rushers tbh

[scenic tendon]

Maybe she can wall you.

Your mom could not wall me.

[finite fog]

no manjuu either

[scenic tendon]

Manjuu on Helena.

[civic marlin]

Ok, I feel as if I have been living under a rock regarding the PVP Meta, How is Fortune Meta viable? And Yes most of My gear aren't even maxed out

[winged depot]

what wall lol

her flat chest?

[scenic tendon]

Living under a rock

[winged depot]

slashes go brrr

removing torps

[trail temple]

Fortm slashes torps away, and she can do it fairly quickly

[civic marlin]

Oh, I see

[stable dawn]

she deletes your hopes and dreams

[neon bronze]

hmm, your gears? if that is fine with u

[civic marlin]

No wonder, I've been seeing so many 2 DD, 1 CL line ups

[civic marlin]

Could be better or worse, need some improvements

[winged depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZDU5TfqDDE

almost mirrored

[neon bronze]

not a fan of wnt Monkey myself, swap kear and musashi around

[winged depot]

I just use it on this one

I swap the 2 when attacking

cause there's like 10% chance of rolling these guys again

[stable dawn]

your augs are incomplete

swap fortm's to hammer

or you won't get lvl3 slash

[winged depot]

oh yeah I did

its just that one is old

[stable dawn]

[finite fog]

pinned google doc for guidance

[winged depot]

aiko

[finite fog]

[winged depot]

[finite fog]

[scenic tendon]

460mm

[valid idol]

do loadouts use the gear temporarily even if a ship is currently in use for it?

cuz its tiring switching gears everytime i have to do pvp

[scenic tendon]

No lol.

[valid idol]

damn thats sad

so what is loadouts now is it just a sharable preset LMAO

[scenic tendon]

What even is loadout?

People is actually using it?

[valid idol]

i dunno, but im thinking if i should use it and see if it works ig

[scenic tendon]

Check the pin.

[valid idol]

yeah i dont see the loadouts mechanic, time to just fix this the old way

time to get a 2nd of each ship and gear so i dont need to switch

[scenic tendon]

Sure.

[valid idol]

yeah it doesnt work

welp thats dissapointing

its just a glorified preset

one day we will have temporary use of gears for easier gearing in pvp and pve

[scenic tendon]

Lazy players from Auto Lane.

Can't blame.

[valid idol]

would you rather have an Auto Lane player or a full blown degen

i just want it simple go in go out

do the work in thinking and math not change gear every half a day

[floral wave]

just pve with pvp gears

but true that presets are useless

[scenic tendon]

Go pvp with pve gears.

[finite fog]

what's a preset

[scenic tendon]

Who cares?

[neon bronze]

bad gun for fortM, can't really spam bullet compared to 76mm or its sidegrade
torp is fine, get it to +10 at least
same for aa, her aa not that much
dress is fine; kicks is ehh though since SDs already have good eva stats

[valid idol]

im currently using 76mm im just tryna do the loadout experiment

shes a barrage bote right

not sure if this is good or nah

[scenic tendon]

The fact that she is not a torp-focused ship.

What will you change?

And I know EN players don't read, but look at her hp stats.

Does it remind you of something?

[valid idol]

L

[scenic tendon]

Simplier solution: Check the pin.

But everything is fine, you just need some meta ships and some good pve gears to reach aotn.

[finite fog]

toxictonight

[scenic tendon]

Proof:

[whole salmon]

It’s complicated but the main reason is that, although her AOA in its normal state is bad, her Slash from the first skill replaces her AOA when a ship in fleet is below 50% HP, which is in the description of her second skill. That’s why she runs a fast gun for the later stages slashes

This allows her to perform 3 consecutive slashes as well as spamming slashes 6 seconds after, which provides great anti torp coverage for the later half the fight where Jintsuu Meta would prove the most dangerous

[bright mauve]

Im reading the gearing section of NJ on the pvp doc. Does this section consider Kearsarge a 2nd CV, and should I go for the twin 57mm since I use Laffey II in the first place?

[zenith lantern]

If you’re using Laffey II you probably don’t need to. She already counters CVs on her own so well. CVs aren’t very good right now because of it, it’s BBs all the way.

[neon bronze]

1. no, she's basically a bb with fighters. shit ghost secondary gun though
2. sounds like a niche case when using this fleet (picrel). you don't really want the CVs in this fleet to get revealed by stray planes and lose a good chunk of their damage

[bright mauve]

Ty so much 👍

[torpid shuttle]

does mnk suffer against a defense wnt stepmom

[scenic tendon]

No.

And aotn rushers should not care about these things either.

[neon bronze]

wnt stepmom should be down by 2nd wave of salvos from ur monkey backline

[torpid shuttle]

I care about my lookaway rate

[scenic tendon]

Just remember some strong names. You can do it, right?

[torpid shuttle]

I would rather not do it

but yes i remember names right now

[scenic tendon]

Better than me. I remember no one.

Just foods.

[scenic tendon]

Meme fleet.

And why Meed?

[neon bronze]

god's plan

[scenic tendon]

I didn't type it wrong anyway.

[neon bronze]

you raise 40s hiryuu fights, i raise you 1min+ plus fights in today's meta

[scenic tendon]

Try Amagi, wnt, yukikaze.

Very funny on stall.

And I don't speak bullshit. Trust.

[boreal comet]

[torpid shuttle]

guess i have to watch

they're even using mk4 vanguard

he took a reset

[finite fog]

[neon bronze]

[delicate owl]

vpn diff

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/870151078098915368/1061138240117149716/sex_hackermans.gif

[scenic tendon]

best vanguard player

[scenic tendon]

@stable dawn Amagi-chan successfully convinced me to go to bed.

No more pvp I guess.

[scenic tendon]

Too much EoS's climbing, Amagi-chan is now tired.

[sudden spoke]

[trail temple]

Yeah, can relate

[crystal elbow]

Its funny how vanguard is still vanguard

[floral wave]

[floral wave]

oh, the name

[crystal elbow]

yes XD

[golden lantern]

wait the meta rn is 3x BB and not preloads?

[winged depot]

preloads been long dead

[golden lantern]

for how long

last time i was tryharding for top 10 and was following the meta Juneau was in my fleet

[winged depot]

there's like a section of it in the meta museum

in the docs

you could probably find the meta you are looking for

[finite fog]

[trail temple]

Now that's a way to call someone archaeic

[stable dawn]

[scenic tendon]

Wow. That sounds gay.

[brazen socket]

3 years ago

Well

If we count backline preloads only

Technically preloads have been "Alive" through torpedos but recently died with the release of laffey II

[golden lantern]

whats a replacement for the meta ship

[floral wave]

none

[golden lantern]

whats a temporary replacement for the meta ship

[scenic tendon]

Check the pin.

[floral wave]

just old meta

if its jintsuu, use ancho instead

[neon bronze]

up until fortune meta use became widespread in EN

yakuza backline + triple torp was among the fastest fleets you could ever field

but FortM just deletes most of the damage dealing torps from both JintM AND CV TB torps

[winged depot]

you can just use the old ones

[floral wave]

as for fortune, theres no replacement with same value really

[scenic tendon]

Check the pin. Talk less. Sleep.

[winged depot]

L+ratio+2600less

[scenic tendon]

Fucking Amagae.

[winged depot]

git gud

[floral wave]

uh oh

[steel coral]

take your own advice and talk less

[scenic tendon]

Nah.

[neon bronze]

bananas

[scenic tendon]

I have to keep you guys's gayness at its limit.

Hold your horse.

I don't check the pin however.

[golden lantern]

is the aquila lineup not good anymore, or rather can it keep me top 100 if i tried

[floral wave]

top 100 yeah

[winged depot]

it'll do fine

[floral wave]

top10 with some luck might work aswell

[neon bronze]

if u r not bagging then u should be fine

[scenic tendon]

Just slap 6 strongest ships and it'll be fine.

[winged depot]

just time the reset whenever you are about to lose

[floral wave]

and dont wake up 10 minutes before end of season with 10 exercises left

[golden lantern]

i will try something without the meta ships for now ig

[floral wave]

[winged depot]

good luck

[scenic tendon]

Bro they are a casual player.

[floral wave]

it occurs to me you cant read when you sleep

why talk then

[scenic tendon]

I just slept for the last 8 hours.

No need to become a panda.

[floral wave]

then go backread

[neon bronze]

🍿

[winged depot]

bRo tHeY aRe a cAsUaL pLaYeR

[scenic tendon]

[winged depot]

no shit sherlock

[golden lantern]

can i get close to top 10 with this lineup

[floral wave]

possibly

[winged depot]

oh that looks good

[scenic tendon]

Easy as fuck.

[winged depot]

definitely

[floral wave]

especially considering there isnt that many meta def fleets around

[scenic tendon]

No one cares about pvp.

[golden lantern]

ok i will try getting those to as high lvl as possible and try something for next cycle

[scenic tendon]

But 2 yellow bulins per season is nice.

[winged depot]

bro be like

[scenic tendon]

Funny.

[neon bronze]

manjuu equipped?

[scenic tendon]

My sleep schedule is back.

[winged depot]

alright we get it bro, for the 10th time

[scenic tendon]

[finite fog]

nice e55 in your banner btw

[neon bronze]

yo aiko, what emu u prefer

[finite fog]

currently using ldplayer

tried bluestacks but lagged on my old pc

[neon bronze]

looking to change emulator again

[finite fog]

tried nox, but i kept getting popups

or was it something else

idk ldplayer seems to have best performance for me

and i'm not bothered to try other ones

[neon bronze]

yeet

just wanted emu that can handle multiple instances

bluestacks and ldplayer worked fine

[finite fog]

[neon bronze]

pc would lag though lol

poor 8gb ram

[finite fog]

might be video card related too

or cpu?

[neon bronze]

fair; can't rly get anything better than gtx 750 kek

cpu is ryzen 5 2400g

[finite fog]

oh yeah it's probably your ram then

[scenic tendon]

ld works fine

AL can run with 2gb ram setting.

[neon bronze]

wouldd it be smooth like my brain though

wanna move 5 in 5 if i could

[scenic tendon]

Yes.

I limit myself to run 3 instances.

[pastel jolt]

If you want to lie at least lie better

[boreal comet]

No one cares about pvp

[fickle echo]

Kid named No one:

[boreal comet]

Kid named pvp:

[brazen socket]

They're boyfriends

[neon bronze]

weird ass 🥈 emote

[marble reef]

Is Harbin’s smokescreen anti synergistic with fortune meta like she is with anchorage?

[trail temple]

Anchorage also has a bubble followed by an evade all so she will not take damage for that period

You can still nuke harbin

[marble reef]

Realistically which one is better at stall because I don’t have jintsuu meta

[trail temple]

Harbin can't stall

Anchorage can

But Anchorage doesn't work with fortm

[marble reef]

Any suggestion on what to use

I’m using laffey 2 and fortune for the other 2 slot

[trail temple]

You don't really have good options outside of jintm if you insist on using fortm since jintm can survive a fatal shot

I'm hesitant to suggest laffey as your main tank

(Frankly they die easily)

So you could drop fortm, pick up Anchorage and hope

Because fortm is dead weight with anchorage

There was someone using it, I went 20-0 with 30 second rounds when I tested against his fleet

[marble reef]

Fortune meta and anchorage?

[trail temple]

Fortm ended up dying before anything else did, which means she doesn't proc her ability

[marble reef]

What about using shimakaze or Juneau

As the front liner

[trail temple]

Shimakaze is not a main tank

She'll die

Juneau main tank worked in the early days od 2021, and you need manjuu for it

These days it isn't worth tbh

[pastel jolt]

Yeah, that’s what renowned alt creator, sweat and #2 finisher 1tonight said. We should all treat his words as gospel, especially considering his aim to get 10 #1 EoS this year and read 25 books.

Plays two servers but still can’t get even close to 2600, then says he doesn’t care about PvP. What a joke.

Which percentile does 1tonight fall into? That’s for you guys to guess

[trail temple]

No 2600s, definitely towards the middle ground

[scenic tendon]

Caring for other guys is gay.

[neon bronze]

btw what version of ldplayer u running

[scenic tendon]

You guys really take my Lex's account into account?

Didn't I say to move at 15 mins mark and being a +2 mover?

What the fuck man?

Also I'm in that 2% part.

[winged depot]

[gloomy timber]

I actually tried to fish for northhamption and houston from requisition for WNT

I'm dumb

im running this cause I dont have JintM and FortM is going to take a while to 125
dont know what else would work

[scenic tendon]

Please don't give a fuck about me, fucking gay people.

Caring for other guys = Gay. Find yourself a female pvper to care for.

[floral wave]

could run ancho if youre not using fortm

[trail temple]

Can you stop bringing up gay this, gay that with absolutely no relevance?

[scenic tendon]

Shhh.

Gay.

[winged depot]

that's like his only defense mechanism left in his vocabulary

poor guy

(not really)

[trail temple]

There are gay people in this server, they may be offended in the way it's being used

[pastel jolt]

Personally, I agree, couldn’t even get close to a 2600 despite his sweat. Nothing really left to say except good riddiance

[winged depot]

honestly just run ancho as main tank on this one

[winged depot]

ah true

[pastel jolt]

Worst part is, he couldn’t even secure rank 1 on Sandy, a server with approximately 3 serious baggers other than himself.

[gloomy timber]

in place of harbin or shima?

[floral wave]

harbin id assume

[gloomy timber]

ogey

[floral wave]

you probably want that speed if you use ancho

[pastel jolt]

Taking turns to lose to them over and over again, nekosogi 1 season, DomG the other, then cchung the last

Biggest joke of AL PvP.

[floral wave]

woah

[trail temple]

I haven't seen ccchung hit r1 in a while

[floral wave]

that escalated quickly

[scenic tendon]

???

Fucking brah.

Go away.

[pastel jolt]

He’s banned lol

And even so, I think he’s peacefully retired now

[trail temple]

Followed his icon Famine into retirement

[late heath]

I got to 2700 once by running Kashino

[pastel jolt]

Famine set the path so brah could walk it. First TW, then retirement.

[scenic tendon]

^

[winged depot]

[pastel jolt]

Seemed like he just hit it last season. In a tie with Redacted 3.

[winged depot]

ey he's walking into this one @trail temple might just be another letan

[trail temple]

Yeah, there was a big gap between his last top 10 and this one

[pastel jolt]

No idea. Haven’t been keeping track of Sandy all that much

Just been focusing on Amagi rn

[floral wave]

amagi

[trail temple]

Same but not same, with Avrora these days. Haven't touched Washington server seriously in a while

It's just sitting in capt rank

[gloomy timber]

whats the tech to getting aotn
just atk every reset or something?

[trail temple]

Don't lose

[floral wave]

dont miss any exercise basically

[winged depot]

you can do that, but also don't lose. you can reset by pausing and retreating

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/the-idolmaster-takane-popcorn-eating-video-game-gif-15975499

[gloomy timber]

should be fine lemme just find WNT and get the optimized vanguard loadouts
as long as I dont need jintM and fortM for it I should be fine for the next rotation

[winged depot]

good luck

[gloomy timber]

already burned 500 medals fishing for the ships needed for WNT before I realized how dumb that is and that I should just farmed chapter 11 instead

[neon bronze]

i spent around 1k medals for a single brooklyn

very fun

[gloomy timber]

I salute the cope

are there any instances where you would use something other than the stepmom setup outlined in the pvp spreadsheet

[scenic tendon]

Man, these guys care so much for me...

Must be gay.

[scenic tendon]

I 'm okay with the jokes but just don't spread misinformation about me. I'm a nice person.

[scenic tendon]

Lost to you?

Are you fucking dreaming?

[winged depot]

sure

[scenic tendon]

Just a game.

[winged depot]

uh huh

definitely

[scenic tendon]

Can't believe people being serious about this game.

Just a game.

[pastel jolt]

How ironic, given that you’re the malder.

[brazen socket]

[brazen socket]

a few passive aggressive jabs lately by them too

[scenic tendon]

Maybe that mindset keeps giving stuffs for you to do.

Find yourself a new hobby, please.

[pastel jolt]

Honestly, I think you should rediscover your passions. You’ve been blogging basically constantly on a channel for a game mode you say you don’t care about.

The question is, if you don’t care about this gamemode, why are you always in this channel?

And if you do care, why are you lying? Is it to hide your insecurity and cope about your lack of wins? Or is there a deeper reason?

[scenic tendon]

Take it easy, brah.

You know nothing.

I'm okay with it whatever.

Everyone is okay with pvp, just don't take it seriously. And you are taking my joking pvp career too serious.

And I don't read all of that.

[neon bronze]

chat is it possible to speedrun to lvl 150~ by the end of the year

[delicate owl]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946719897390563328/1098646760668287097/B60CF446-98B0-42E7-AD1B-0DC4AE3E414E.gif

[finite fog]

https://tenor.com/view/troy-community-room-fire-pizza-gif-5612111

[light crystal]

Hey guys, are the new chinese meta

[finite fog]

says ldplayer9 when i launch it so i'm guessing it's 9

[neon bronze]

alright, i'm downloading that version atm

gonna fuck around and find out if this emu + discord + firefox doesn't crash my pc lol

[finite fog]

best of luck

i just watched eva 4.0, bit confusing but it has good bass

8/10

[light crystal]

Bro, my account logs in by itself and get's all 11's without me even trying bro. Bro, I don't even try but still get top place. Brooo.

[half silo]

Have you tried mumu player?

[neon bronze]

mumu nebula has worked fine for me

mfw bluestacks is too laggy for me

[serene epoch]

well, it is possible to write script that gonna do that but who cares that much lol

[finite fog]

oh yeah, i tried mumu on my old computer and i probably did something wrong because i kept getting popups

gave up and went with something that worked out of the box

[half silo]

Sounds about right, could’ve been an earlier version. There‘s now another version available since a while which uses android 12 and is pretty much native to windows 11

[finite fog]

also, punpun

[half silo]

Got no pop-ups with this one, also works really well imo (if you got a decent pc, didn‘t try with lower end

[finite fog]

[half silo]

The plot.

[finite fog]

[half silo]

Wait a sec

Does that mean I get to call out loud

AIKOOOOOO!!!

[half silo]

Just got the idea of renaming in AL

But obviously a lvl 3 acc already got the name

[finite fog]

yeah, aiko is taken too

[neon bronze]

@finite fog

ah, feels so good to be back in ldplayer

gameplay so smooth as well with my usual compliment

Pairs nicely with my smooth brain

[pastel jolt]

@scenic tendon

Use this time to touch some grass…

[finite fog]

[stable dawn]

what even happened here

[tacit owl]

detainedtonight

[torpid shuttle]

that's a little funny

[light crystal]

detain dn

[kind stream]

Which augment should be used on Laffey 2? Is she gun focused enough for the swords?

[floral wave]

shes not gun focused at all

i use the hammer for triple slash effect

[kind stream]

Okay

[ocean quest]

oh whats dn :clueless:

[trail temple]

Day/night

[ocean quest]

thanks!

[finite fog]

deez nuts

[ocean quest]

[scarlet plinth]

Soo you can ask about pvp here?

[ocean quest]

[scarlet plinth]

?

Or i should ask in gameplay-help?

[steel coral]

ask in gph and once they tell you to come back here then you can ask your question

[scarlet plinth]

Ok

[fickle echo]

Good ending: they never come back and live a happy life

[finite fog]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-are-we-the-baddies-surprised-gif-19176339

[late heath]

This is actually Kashino ch

[stable dawn]

be careful they might actually do it loooool

[ocean quest]

(they did it)

pvp bonus points generator download here working 2025

[zenith tundra]

@empty grove bro change your defense fleet cause it sucks. i 10-0 that after losing 1 to shiburin because i felt asleep when testing. bismark in pvp is just a meme and your vg is way too squishy

[brazen socket]

[delicate owl]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/870151078098915368/1085965608195199006/essex_shock.gif

[stable dawn]

so with how laffey II stalls now, is the meta eventually going to shift to CVs?

[ocean quest]

be the change

[stable dawn]

Too poor

[ocean quest]

[stable dawn]

but like, kear reveal can actually be countered by independence lol

[brazen socket]

Shes like a weird case of boyj

Both

[torpid shuttle]

but laffii aa

[stable dawn]

so like, definitely possible to go 3CV if you have the right setup

[brazen socket]

Cvs are shit bc laffey II aa and tankiness
But cvs are also good because laffey stalls for them

[stable dawn]

biggest question is who would the other 2 CVs be

[torpid shuttle]

is it not shinyuu

[stable dawn]

issue is Shinano needs 3rd IJN to proc buffs

[torpid shuttle]

but does she need it to be good

who else is close to shinano, proc or not

[stable dawn]

she gets massive dmg reduction and increased AVI

[steel coral]

bruce wayne meta

[stable dawn]

so OG really was a higher up all along

[torpid shuttle]

that's just main gun and airstrike

are you talking about cv as cvs everywhere or counter to triple BB

[stable dawn]

well your opponents are going to be mostly BBs so

[torpid shuttle]

i dont think triple bb kear can reveal shinano right

[stable dawn]

she can

pretty consistently too

that's why MSN is Tier 2 and not Tier 0 lol

[torpid shuttle]

my uni just sucked then

[stable dawn]

[torpid shuttle]

cos she's 7 plane but wasnt consistent back then

[stable dawn]

did you have fuel on

could be getting eaten by vg

[torpid shuttle]

idr now

[stable dawn]

I'm thinking we could try using Implacable

to just nuke the enemy vg lol

[ocean quest]

they called me crazy

[trail temple]

Implac Kear and Enty?

[stable dawn]

nah kear will get blown up by first BB volley cycle

[trail temple]

Or yk2 even if you time stop well enough

Manjuu kear time

[stable dawn]

or double eva kear

[trail temple]

Beaver and rudder?

[stable dawn]

yeeee

with impy though, do we still use wyverns or just go full bore with ryuusei?

[ocean quest]

hvars

[stable dawn]

well I want her to deal damage to the backline too

[ocean quest]

time implac with musashi for vanguard busting

[stable dawn]

460mm Musashi??????

[ocean quest]

oh yueah that sounds awful implac is slow as hell

[stable dawn]

musashi is going to get enemy vg to like <50% health with first barrage

impy freeze + strike can probably guarantee they're dead

[ocean quest]

hmm wouldnt something like indep 818 be more feasible

[stable dawn]

818 is very good at getting swept by fortm

and doing 0 damage

[ocean quest]

unlucky

[stable dawn]

also

[ocean quest]

but implac is very good at being slow

[stable dawn]

the question remains

Musashi is not a CV

and as solo BB she just gets deleted

which is why Meeb is so bad

if we put in another BB we're just going to reinvent MSN lol

[torpid shuttle]

just double eva musashi

[stable dawn]

[ocean quest]

vh armor musashi

too real

[empty crater]

[stable dawn]

the other option is we go weird route

Aquila Indep Hiryuu

Aquila and Indep should blow up enemy vg and prevent kear reveal

hiryuu ensures we have a nonzero winrate

[steel coral]

[ocean quest]

[stable dawn]

triple foxes?

wait how silly can I make this

[steel coral]

step 1. swap akagi and kaga for indep and impero

[stable dawn]

no I'm cooking harder