pvp

[scenic tendon]

You overestimate your iq score.

[ocean quest]

i just dont have appropriate resources to make full use of it

[languid plank]

what augment

[ocean quest]

depends on others in vg

[languid plank]

im trying to do this

[ocean quest]

you'd rather have the one that removes torps

[ocean quest]

with laffey 2 and jintsuu having hammer and sword, run hammer on fortune

[languid plank]

is that fine btw sadly i miss 1 copy stone

[ocean quest]

doabel

[languid plank]

kk ty

[boreal comet]

How bad is rock with monkey against scissors stepmom

[languid plank]

it says im full but i cant delete any? help

[ocean quest]

you can feed these to craft purple/gold augs

[languid plank]

i dont get it

i try to feed them

[scenic tendon]

use blue aug to lvl up your purple aug

instead of stones

[ocean quest]

this is what i meant

[languid plank]

thats what i tried

[ocean quest]

smh

[languid plank]

look at the pic

i selected all blues

[scenic tendon]

try again

then

[ocean quest]

cant you scrap them

[scenic tendon]

You can't.

[languid plank]

https://tenor.com/view/what-jackie-chan-confused-gif-14882978

here step by step

[scenic tendon]

You might have to equip the purple aug first.

If not, the game will think it as a newly added aug to the depot.

Hence the nofi will pop up.

[languid plank]

it is bcs i have no purple swords

w/ e

im equipping all blue ones to common ships..

[scenic tendon]

Lmao

[languid plank]

finally it worked

what a stupid system

they need to fix it

[languid plank]

so jintsu has sword. fortune has hammer. laffey has double sword and hammer as option. what to pick?

[ocean quest]

hammer

[languid plank]

ty

[scenic tendon]

Is Attilio Regolo good in pvp?

[neon bronze]

Feet

[boreal comet]

She looks like Anchorage so she must be

[scenic tendon]

Anchorage losing herself to big torps.

Regolo should be like that.

[empty crater]

Nope only for headpats

[scenic tendon]

Too much headpat makes the loli bald.

[scenic tendon]

Time to take a break.

[torpid shuttle]

laffii is just so dum

beat old antitorp mkhero like nothing

despite vanny being sniped

so

what is new best defense fleet?

[zenith lantern]

I don’t think anything works at the moment. Attacker has too much advantage with BB auxes being able to hit Laffey while defender’s can’t

[stable dawn]

I suspect the only real defense fleet is to just put up a toxic 1m invuln stall

your opponent is going to win anyway

might as well just waste their time

[zenith lantern]

I don’t think backlines can even stall so much, I’ve seen defender Laffey outlive the backline a few times but even then the match only lasts 45s. If you/re trying to just stall your vg is going to fold having done no damage and Jintsuu will probably still be alive and then the whole backline is going to get instantly deleted

[zinc phoenix]

Do pvp skills on gear expire if the ship equipping it dies?

[floral wave]

no

[boreal comet]

Laffey died but the bunny striker lived and killed the enemy Hiryuu

:god:

[floral wave]

how did you manage to kill your laffey

[boreal comet]

123 vs 125 laffey

[floral wave]

use manjuu

[boreal comet]

On NJ

[floral wave]

pussy

[ocean quest]

of course manjuu goes on laffey

[wicked surge]

My nj has been dying faster then lafii lol

[lusty hill]

put manjuu on nj

[neon bronze]

he could help others, but not himself

[lusty hill]

you told me to put manjuu on nj

[boreal comet]

:serenity:

[neon bronze]

sometimes you just have to reset, even with it

but yes, manjuu nj is good

[torpid shuttle]

idr how many resets ive really had totake lately

that arent just fear resets

[brazen socket]

who do you guys prefer to flag for step mom

sushi or van

[torpid shuttle]

van cos flag dies

like musa dmg reduc is only 30%

butvanny dies before musa takes like anything

vanny 10% debuff doesnt expire when she dies so it's fine

[torpid shuttle]

thank fuck for laffii removing shima from meta
nicer rng

[scenic tendon]

I greeded for a +2 aotn set.

[torpid shuttle]

who dis

whatever

[scenic tendon]

Pro-ing.

[mild ferry]

Ive just been brute forcing and targetting low power fleets for the last 4 years in exercises

What do we get for being high rank?

[serene epoch]

Winning while at aotn gives you 100 merits instead of 90

[mild ferry]

[serene epoch]

Beside that you just better human

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1137926950887886950.gif?size=48&name=essexGigaChad&quality=lossless

[mild ferry]

I just read finish most of the parts in the guide on sandbagging and tbh i’m impressed

[ocean quest]

a kiss on the cheek for eos top 10

on the lips for rank 1

[boreal comet]

By who?

[serene epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/astolfo-plushy-gif-13306557

[mild ferry]

Does winning against low power fleets vs high power fleets affect the merit reward?

Ik ive played for 4 years but i legit never paid attention cos i kinda recall getting the same amount

[serene epoch]

You gain merits based on your rank, you have rank based on your score (+ position on ladder — for all admiral ranks), you gain score on winning based on score difference with opponent you won against

[mild ferry]

Oohh i see, thanks for the info

[junior beacon]

What's the meta vanguard now? I'm starting to see jintsuu and fortune meta a lot as well as laffey 2

[serene epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1177365744795779192.gif?size=48&name=CheckThePins&quality=lossless

[boreal comet]

https://tenor.com/view/astolfo-master-chief-execution-knockout-had-enough-of-your-cringe-gif-11421999067287051465

[floral wave]

well, you nailed all of it in the question

[junior beacon]

So anchorage, shima, and juneau are ass now eh

I guess I'll raise the other 3

[floral wave]

anchorage is ass because she cant be used with fortune meta effectively

juneau is ass because she doesnt prevent backline getting oneshot or gets oneshot herself at preload

shima is okayish but countered by fortune meta

[ocean quest]

shima copers rise

[torpid shuttle]

wtf

[torpid shuttle]

even if juneau procs optimally, laffii 2 will outlive whoever she healed

[vivid fox]

W for that dude

[torpid shuttle]

and laffii juneau just doesnt work

cos youre either running fortmet for zero dmg, or jim and no torp mitigation

or ancho but lel

[ocean quest]

just run more damage

[trail temple]

Serenity got his wish

[scenic tendon]

Sandy players trying to get better.

I can help you with it.

[junior beacon]

I get AotN either way even with old meta, I was just curious

[scenic tendon]

Using the meta so you can sleep. Reset more if you don't.

[torpid shuttle]

the lookaway buff when running new meta is massive

[scenic tendon]

You can look away for the most fleets.

Not some funny ones.

And it is only less that 4 minutes so...

[stable dawn]

the world is healing

[ocean quest]

you guys look at your screens?

[scenic tendon]

The real def fleet is the loli fleet.

You force your opponents to go faster, which means you can snipe them more easily.

[torpid shuttle]

ive been looking lately cos i want to see laffey2 rounds

[ocean quest]

real tech is go full on offense

and rush at 17 minutes just like im about to

[torpid shuttle]

it's getting harder to avoid minuses

even after overcapping like 4 exercises earlier sesason

[ocean quest]

i dont even care i overcapped on last set 3 because my phone didnt really like launching the game

and started at 6 minutes remaining

and finished like 5s too late

[torpid shuttle]

so when you guys say

+1 this set or +2 this set

[ocean quest]

just overall

from all 5

[torpid shuttle]

that means you only successfully bagged oneperson?

[scenic tendon]

+/-

[ocean quest]

yeah, thats very standard

one, two per set

[torpid shuttle]

oh cool, then I do that

[ocean quest]

maybe early week 2 you can catch +3 sometimes

or later at aotn

[stable dawn]

at this point in the season not eating a -1 is already good enough

[ocean quest]

yeah with okay pace it is

[torpid shuttle]

im part of the problem, full meta def

[stable dawn]

nah I just think washy has shrank

a lot

it's not uncommon to see near <2570 top 10 eos now

[ocean quest]

cvs are such a pain with 3bb actually

[stable dawn]

that was my old eos score when I rushed back in like 2020

[torpid shuttle]

are they?

I just kill vanguard before they're a problem

laffii and three bb outdps and kill them faster

[ocean quest]

well laffey 2 is uaually the one keeping them from reaching cvs yes

[torpid shuttle]

so you're losing to what

[fickle echo]

LEfication

[torpid shuttle]

because mkhero just dies

[ocean quest]

not really losing too hard

just a slight nuisance

daamn im so stronk rank 1!!!!

🥉

[fickle echo]

[ocean quest]

oh amatir died i just noticed @stable dawn

rank 183

[stable dawn]

[stable dawn]

I saw him overcap a few days ago, he's been fake pacing lol

[ocean quest]

yeah i saw him on like 2 above me

recently

[stable dawn]

chance are he might've overcapped a full set as opposed to just 1

[ocean quest]

hes been unlucky

started with a 9 4/10

[stable dawn]

pvp moment

[ocean quest]

previous season lingers

how much of a setback is that

[stable dawn]

more like washy is a tomb

[ocean quest]

probably not that huge

havent happened to me 😏

[boreal comet]

Prevented an overcap by 6 minutes

We clutching

[ocean quest]

1h after reset?

[stable dawn]

6 minutes is my usual starting time

[scenic tendon]

I start at 4 mins.

High pace problem.

Still being forced to eat -1

[stable dawn]

you can start at 2m and still eat -1. After a certain point it doesn't matter anymore because only 1-2 people will finish after you. It's just pure rng.

so I just go safe and sleep

[ocean quest]

thats why i go safe at 15 minutes

use protection

[empty crater]

[scenic tendon]

Shh

Bigger chance is still bigger chance.

[scenic tendon]

Damn.

2 +1/-1 sets.

[stable dawn]

normal late season

[scenic tendon]

Not a perfect season.

[stable dawn]

Impossible to have perfect seasons on Sandy or Washy

[scenic tendon]

I'd like to get 2495+ before EoS set.

A year of trying, will eventually do it.

[stable dawn]

at a certain point you start to understand the chance of minuses and account for them

[scenic tendon]

[stable dawn]

like I pretty much always just add a -2 at the end of eos because on washy it's nearly guaranteed to eat 2 +9s as last exercises of the season

[winged depot]

washy changed for the worse

[stable dawn]

nah been like that since 2021

main issue is less movers that can give +0 at 5/10 to 3/10

[winged depot]

ey, at least someone recorded a 2600 b4 the mass leaving

[stable dawn]

just nobody there

tbh the only real qualification for "server domination" now

is if you are R1 at 1/10

[winged depot]

biggest flex

[stable dawn]

and the other baggers have already finished

10+ points above R2

forced to eat +9 no matter what you do

maybe even a +8

[scenic tendon]

That sounds too dead of a server.

At that moment, you are not dominating anything.

You are just the king of the graveyards.

I could've reached R1 4 times in a row.

Can't believe I got 2 ties during the process.

[stable dawn]

We all die eventually

also funfact, Famine did it on Avrora multiple times

[floral wave]

died multiple times?

is that why he's so edgy

[stable dawn]

considering his speech consists mostly of copypastas, I think he's just fucking with us

[floral wave]

i never thought he wasnt

[stable dawn]

[floral wave]

would be a serious mental issue if he was serious

[stable dawn]

can't be as much of a mental issue as sleeping 1.5h per stretch just for pvp

[ocean quest]

[scenic tendon]

Am I becoming Famine?

[floral wave]

fair, but what if one leads to the other

[scenic tendon]

Who even does pvp?

Just sleep already.

[empty crater]

[floral wave]

i do
died on thursday so im having a healthy weekend

[scenic tendon]

Good job.

[stable dawn]

nah, you aren't friendly enough

[torpid shuttle]

i found amatir again

mkvillain scissors rn

[ocean quest]

on him?

[torpid shuttle]

he is doing that def

[ocean quest]

really

it was scissor monkey when i tested earlier today

7 wins in a row with my crayon build

good i havent rushed i can check vs that

[ocean quest]

he still has monkey 🤨

scammed

[torpid shuttle]

changed it just for you

[ocean quest]

but it hasnt changed since like 5h ago

[torpid shuttle]

no you're right

i misnamed it

[ocean quest]

smh]

[stable dawn]

[fallen drift]

Is there a fleet composition that can counter the Dark Age /JinMet fleet ???

[floral wave]

no

[wicked surge]

What's dark age?

[ocean quest]

crayon build

[floral wave]

the fuck is crayon build

[ocean quest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/736523593109864509/1195195581602201640/image.png?ex=65b31ba0&is=65a0a6a0&hm=89f5a91db5de6edc093350f38f8fb0c92497a762eab1491e1e28ba81fc5a5041&

the greatest of all time

[wicked surge]

Ew

Wait fuck, that's what I run

[ocean quest]

worst best part is it actually works

but likes to lose to weirdest shit

[wicked surge]

My fortune meta is still leveling

[pseudo copper]

You are disgusted by yourself

Lmao

[wicked surge]

Isn't that the point of pvp?

[pseudo copper]

No

[stable dawn]

we're still in the dark age

all laffey II did was replace shima

[ocean quest]

shima stays

[pseudo copper]

It is to make others disgusted by cucking them whilst not caring about how well you do

So opposite of Tonight

[wicked surge]

I update my defense fleet regularly ,keep forgetting to play pvp so I'm always on the 4 digits

[torpid shuttle]

so

scissors ultra counters paper

but how hard does rock even counter scissors

[stable dawn]

that's the problem once again

without fortune to protect the backline it doesn't matter how hard rock counters scissors

you still lose because you have no surviving damage dealers

hence why it's not given as green on the sheet

[pseudo copper]

A good scissor can break a rock

[stable dawn]

[torpid shuttle]

hydraulic press are just blunt scissors

[stable dawn]

I can turn my hand into rock, paper, or scissors

do I win?

[torpid shuttle]

does

ancho laffii fortmet lose to scissors

[stable dawn]

ancho + fortm is anti-synergy

she'll take no damage which prevents fortm from slashing early enough

[ocean quest]

just deal more damage

[pseudo copper]

No, your torp is flaccid

[ocean quest]

too much pvping

[stable dawn]

@ flaccidtorp

[fallen drift]

The fleet that uses Jintsuu Meta and Fortune Meta together

[fallen drift]

💀💀💀

[ocean quest]

just kill them 💅

subscribe for more tips and tricks

[scenic tendon]

What the fuck is even scissors?

Are you guys being barbers?

[stable dawn]

we'll cut off your amagi chan's ears and turn her into a normal human

✂️

[torpid shuttle]

dont bully the loli

[ocean quest]

:amagichanbald:

[fallen drift]

They wanna cut stones using high grade scissors

[scenic tendon]

Kids, don't do pvp or else you will become this guy.

I know some of you are mentally stronger than him, but just to be sure.

[ocean quest]

hands off borgar

[scenic tendon]

He didn't finish his last words.

[stable dawn]

too late @scenic tendon

[ocean quest]

[scenic tendon]

[sour dagger]

Having a read of the PvP tier list I’ve built this comp, anyone you guys would recommend switching out? NJ got +13 Georgia gun +13 AFCT and Musashi got her +13 rainbow gun and +13 fire control, ancho got the beaver squad and juneau got the +13 pearl

[floral wave]

out with the musashi gun

you want the +7 blue gun

[sour dagger]

Kearsarge may want a different fighter but my flapjacks aren’t +13

[serene epoch]

Or at least 410 kai

[floral wave]

also, all vanguard to replace, provided you have the means for it

mk7 also out

[serene epoch]

another trash gun

[floral wave]

yes that one

also sword augment, beaver/wnt instead of shell

[sour dagger]

What would you do for kearsarge fun and vanguard

[floral wave]

and twin 137 auxiliary gun

[serene epoch]

And rockets will miss vs fast vanguard
tiger probably better

[floral wave]

kear gets either georgia gun or mk4

mk4 is the prerequisite to georgia gun in gear lab

kearsarge also hpfcr+whatever is left of manjuu/beaver/wnt/fairy magic poster

as for vanguard

the current top seems to be jintsuu meta, fortune meta, laffey2

[sour dagger]

O I don’t have fortune meta raised, I’ll have to raise her

[floral wave]

what about jintsuu?

[sour dagger]

Got jintsuu

[floral wave]

so for now i guess its jintsuu shima laffey2

when you get fortune up, replace shima

[sour dagger]

Laffey 2 not done yet

[floral wave]

ah

[scenic tendon]

I've been using Laffey 2 since lvl 42.

Wdym? Not done?

[sour dagger]

She’ll be 125 in like 2 weeks

[floral wave]

not mlb, but that shouldnt be that big of an issue

[boreal comet]

What have I walked into

[sour dagger]

I can mlb her now

[scenic tendon]

[floral wave]

113 is perfectly enough then

she doesnt give a fuck about lvl advantage

[loud solar]

Ah hello

Just wanna know why this rerun don’t got Wep

[floral wave]

ask devs

logical explanation would be

because the original run didnt have any

[loud solar]

[loud solar]

Wait FR?

[floral wave]

yes

not all UR events get the UR weap

or gear

[loud solar]

I see

Thanks for the answer

[scenic tendon]

Can I ask for the reason why you asked here, not #gameplay-help ?

[boreal comet]

You're scaring folks off

[scenic tendon]

Rng has been mistreating me for days.

[floral wave]

thats not exactly a gph question

also, why not just answer

[scenic tendon]

I think it is.

You did answer it.

[floral wave]

yeah

[scenic tendon]

I just want to know why he chose us over gph.

[floral wave]

because im not as toxic as you

anymore

[scenic tendon]

I'm not toxic, I'm just curious.

[loud solar]

Ahh sorry I just arrived here coz of that question sorry I will be careful next time

[scenic tendon]

Damn, am I really that toxic-looking?

[floral wave]

@sour dagger as for jintsuu/laffey gear this is what im using

[scenic tendon]

Black torp aux for Laffey 2?

What the fuck?

[sour dagger]

This look ok?

[floral wave]

im changing laffey auxes every day or every 2 days

so its kinda whatever

[loud solar]

Sry

[scenic tendon]

Can be improved by a lot. Check the pin for the gears.

[loud solar]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-po-kung-fu-panda-furious-five-gif-20411959

[floral wave]

just experimenting

[scenic tendon]

No, that is just pure meme.

[floral wave]

not really

i ran more hp but it didnt matter in any match i had

[sour dagger]

Thanks, didn’t see there was a Google doc for it

[scenic tendon]

You use torps stuffs on Laffey 2 and it doesn't matter.

I can go naked Laffey 2 if I want.

[floral wave]

of course

[scenic tendon]

Naked Laffey 2.

[floral wave]

then why does black torp bother you

3 days ago i had a manjuu there

[scenic tendon]

You were doing pretty much standard stuffs, and you somehow took a wrong turn mid way.

I mean, wrong in culture.

[floral wave]

theres no wrong turn with laffey auxes

[scenic tendon]

There is.

Anyway.

Since washing machine is USS, you can use it on Laffey 2 instead of beaver.

And forget about the gun, torp choices.

Whatsoever.

[floral wave]

thats a wrong in culture choice

[scenic tendon]

Not wrong.

[floral wave]

very wrong

[scenic tendon]

I have a white shell NJ still running hard.

[floral wave]

hows that

relevant

[scenic tendon]

Very funny build.

[sour dagger]

I’ll go with stepmom and raise up fortune meta now, will come back once I’ve matched the gear to the good comp

[scenic tendon]

Sure.

[floral wave]

i have white shell bisco and white shell seyd

git gud, 2 shells against one

[scenic tendon]

We are not in the same server.

But I can come here for you.

[floral wave]

yeah my server has actual pvpers

[scenic tendon]

Every. Single. One. Of. You.

[floral wave]

[loud solar]

Which ship gonna need for Ulrich von hutten fleet build ?

[scenic tendon]

Is that a pvp question?

[floral wave]

with that you really might wanna go to gph

[scenic tendon]

#gameplay-help

[loud solar]

Sorry again

[scenic tendon]

Here is the portal.

[loud solar]

Thz

[scenic tendon]

I'm literally doing Opsi on Amagi.

[floral wave]

and im doing w15

so?

[scenic tendon]

Wow, that's...

Is that pvp-relevant?

[floral wave]

what was your point again

[scenic tendon]

Who cares about pve?

[floral wave]

you just mentioned opsi

[scenic tendon]

You just mentioned your good server.

[floral wave]

yeah server that doesnt go down to 2550 top10

[scenic tendon]

No one is going that low.

[fickle echo]

[scenic tendon]

lil e aint counted

To be accurate, Lil E is going up.

So it doesn't matter anyway.

[neon bronze]

:1tonighthodo:

[scenic tendon]

I'm watching this at 5am

[floral wave]

dw, back to correct build

[tacit owl]

Lil e pvp is so difficult, can't break top 1000

[floral wave]

just do 1 exercise bro

youll be in top1k surely

[scenic tendon]

still cursed

[floral wave]

no thats not cursed

[scenic tendon]

[floral wave]

whats wrong in there

[scenic tendon]

you'll figure it out

[floral wave]

nah, please do tell

enlighten me

[ocean quest]

what were those pve ass lookin] builds

my man didnt read the pvp list

equipping 460

unless he read the unhinged etcl guide

[floral wave]

said he didnt know about the doc, so mustve been some other pvp guide

[ocean quest]

makes a lot of sense

[floral wave]

also

dont slander the 460

he just equipped it on a wrong ship

[stable dawn]

huh apparently it's bhungusfungus

washy alive???

[ocean quest]

oh huh

right name felt somewhat familiar

[scenic tendon]

sussy name

[neon bronze]

neat

sadly, taking a break next season

school stuff on both weeks, and entire Sunday 2nd week, all the ISPs in my area have to turn off wifi and data services

[floral wave]

yo wtf

wdym they have to

[neon bronze]

In case some wannabe terrorist decides to do the funny

viva pit señyor

[floral wave]

sadge

[neon bronze]

this shit in place since, like 2015

[scenic tendon]

I might take a break next season too.

First semester's ending.

Failing 1 exam = -150$.

And I have 8.

[torpid shuttle]

"might"

maybe it should be will

[trail temple]

He can't help himself

[scenic tendon]

PvP requires no effort and health.

And it helps me getting yellow purins.

[trail temple]

So you won't be taking a break?

[scenic tendon]

Let just make a poll.

[floral wave]

just cosplay anything kms and EN will vote however you want

[scenic tendon]

KMS 🤮

Keep Myself Safe:

[sour dagger]

Ive tried optimising the fleet according to the list

Might try flipping laffey and formtune

[scenic tendon]

@stable dawn season is done

[ocean quest]

did you overcap

or lose

[scenic tendon]

-1 at 8/10 and 7/10

[ocean quest]

unlucky

[scenic tendon]

I was forced to use 2 ref.

[ocean quest]

but maybe others also have that

you know

[scenic tendon]

I don't care about others?

That's how I can actually push forward.

Atleast +0 at 6/10.

And rip top bagger, he overcapped.

[lusty hill]

use british torps on jintsuu meta

[sour dagger]

gonna make some when i got money

[scenic tendon]

Perfectly fine if your destination is just aotn.

[sour dagger]

ill give her a ply gun once i finish tenrai grind 45/50 on current tenrai and 27/50 on plygun

ye p much

[scenic tendon]

And being food to others.

[sour dagger]

not going for no1

[scenic tendon]

[sour dagger]

i dont use good fleet for def

[stable dawn]

sounds like normal late season bullshit

[sour dagger]

just use waifus

[scenic tendon]

R71 and rolling -1.

[stable dawn]

[scenic tendon]

Fair game.

[stable dawn]

story of my life

Skill based gamemode

[scenic tendon]

The top bagger died, Borgar.

[stable dawn]

nah I chose retirement

[cinder crater]

what’s the best pvp fleet rn

[scenic tendon]

Check the pin.

Literally the solution to 90% of your problems about pvp. The rest are questions about life which is not really matter anyway.

[winged depot]

the solution is to not care at all and not let it get to your life

[cinder crater]

the most recent one?

[winged depot]

the doc in the pins has all the recent ones

yes

[neon bronze]

my equips atm
don't think vanguard should be flag w/ wnt on since skill doesn't say she needs to be flag
fortM uses that gun, bcs bit more range for bit less rof
manjuu-less fleet in general is free loss, consider putting either NJ or Laff-ii w/ Manjuu depends on ur preference

[scenic tendon]

Sorry mate, I don't have Vanguard.

[neon bronze]

i await the day vanguard reruns

More HIT and gay in general is EPIC

[brazen socket]

as soon kronk reruns i'll save up gold gen plates for that sweet 2nd admiral table

[neon bronze]

[scenic tendon]

Just oath your ship for a quick buff.

[neon bronze]

[scenic tendon]

The real question is...

I forgot.

[torpid shuttle]

laf can wear af report and wirbrl in current fleet and still meet speed req

[lusty hill]

Your fleet is better than me

Why beaver on vanguard

Not musashi since she's on mid

[torpid shuttle]

manjuu nj

Ive also read about WNT vanny flag and musashi beaver off

[scenic tendon]

He wants to proc WNT.

[torpid shuttle]

this one is also nice

is what i do because flag take most dmg

[cinder crater]

Someone mind telling me what WNT is lol

[ocean quest]

washington naval treaty

[scenic tendon]

@stable dawn another tie

not even new big pp number

[stable dawn]

🥈

[scenic tendon]

-1 at 7/10, -1 at 6/10 during eos run.

What the fuck?

[stable dawn]

normal for me lol

sometimes the game just hates you

gg go next

[fickle echo]

Just win the tie

[scenic tendon]

Can't.

I only aim for the point.

That requires skills to get into ties.

The only 2 ways you can win over me is by fighting me when I'm having a break or ties.

[trail temple]

@scenic tendon 🥈

[scenic tendon]

Kinda weird that I'm feeling pretty much normal.

Yeah, 93 with really bad rng at the end.

I can do it better.

[scenic tendon]

Sorry guys, I have been hiding it all the time.

But the real truth is...

[buoyant parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-huh-what-gif-15066348

[trail temple]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-working-hacking-computer-freaking-gif-16372902880344251755

[stable dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/caveira-skeleton-ive-been-waiting-gif-13523984

me waiting for the truth

[fickle echo]

https://tenor.com/view/you-will-never-reach-the-truth-gif-20553066

[empty crater]

[gloomy sand]

these should work

[sour dagger]

what is the benefit of the wirbel luft, the description states double boiler is a good choice so I may go with that over wirbel, the decription of it seems to only help ryza

also reading this, if i dont use beaver badge on laff2 since its on NJ, would mk35 be best torp?

[scenic tendon]

Hp/speed.

[stable dawn]

wirbel has less speed but more HP than boiler

it's good for minmaxing specific speed loadouts

[sour dagger]

ah i see, i like using ryza so ill try double boiler for now and give ryza back the wirbel

[scenic tendon]

Double Boiler is too much speed.

That you might run into more torps, barrages.

[stable dawn]

double boiler is usually for ancho fleets yeah

[sour dagger]

ah i see, will give ryza a washing machine then and give laffey the wirbel

would mk35 be better/equal to teatorp in this case?

[stable dawn]

mk35 is to trigger her USS gear buff

[scenic tendon]

These 2 equips do not even have similiar stats.

Smh.

[stable dawn]

teatorps are objectively better in general but they're Royal Navy

so won't trigger skill

[scenic tendon]

Beaver is literally USS.

[trail temple]

And beaver is a terrible option for Laffey, despite being USS

[scenic tendon]

Yeah.

I use the Machine instead.

[stable dawn]

[scenic tendon]

5 more eva.

[stable dawn]

EVA on a DD that already has 274

[sour dagger]

for ryza? its not PVP but is there a better Aux you would put on her? I just wanted to fill the slot with something useful and the wiki doesnt recommend anything specifically

[stable dawn]

[scenic tendon]

Yes.

That's the tech.

You don't have any real update to her, hp auxs are sus, torp sus, manjuu sus, fp (tf) sus.

Besides EVA.

[sour dagger]

Does this look ok?

[scenic tendon]

As I said, too much speed.

[sour dagger]

What would you equip instead?

[scenic tendon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/772491153022517248/798399439991210054/superSandyRun.gif

Here is why you should not have too much speed.

[scenic tendon]

Read above

I use washing machine.

[sour dagger]

Does it matter if Switch out the boiler or the wirbel?

[scenic tendon]

Yellow > Purple for sure.

If you are running FortM with her, you already have 2 DDs for speed.

[boreal comet]

:1tonight:

[scenic tendon]

Just need a little bit more spd to make everything balanced out.

Like some pepper.

That's why pvp is kinda similar to cooking ya know.

[sour dagger]

Is +13 too much? Can go down to +10

[scenic tendon]

13 > 10, we all know that.

[sour dagger]

cool

[scenic tendon]

Just +13 everything.

[sour dagger]

cant yet, need coins and gold plates

[scenic tendon]

Serenity's clone.

[neon bronze]

jintM - 35 spd - 42 spd (w/ beaver skill)
fortM - 43 spd - 51.6 spd (w/ beaver and no speed aux)
laff-ii - 40 spd - 48 spd (w/ beaver and no spd aux)
47.2 spd... not enough. 48-55 avg. speed w/ beaver active is preferred

laff-ii w/ boiler & 5-spd aux: 52 spd - 62.4 spd (w/ beaver)
52 speed for frontline, great

personally i believe in Spd auxes on Laff-ii

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1152500017635000330.webp?size=48&name=pepegaWheels&quality=lossless

[floral wave]

dont you get enough with wirbel+boiler

can use one on fort and one on laffey

[scenic tendon]

1 wirbel is enough.

Laffey and FortM are DDs anyway.

[floral wave]

iirc thats slower than with shima

with wirbel+boiler youre almost the same

[scenic tendon]

You only need enough.

[stable dawn]

shima actually buffed the CL-DD-DD fleet above optimal speeds at times

that's why it moved so erratically

[floral wave]

fair

so i can use laffey goldburn+manjuu

[neon bronze]

if you just add wirbel luft to laff-ii and put another 550+ hp aux, then laff-ii has 52.8 spd
which averages up to 48.8 speed

[floral wave]

very pog

[stable dawn]

that's literally my laffey loadout lol

[sour dagger]

laffey got 44 jintm 35 fortm 43, beaver on NJ so should be active

[floral wave]

its active as long as its equipped

no matter who has it

[sour dagger]

laff2 only 114 tho

[stable dawn]

oof

[neon bronze]

use manjuu nj and put beaver on another bb

u don't have manjuu active somewhere american?

[sour dagger]

shes on helena for normal fighting

[floral wave]

[scenic tendon]

[floral wave]

only 1 option for manjuu

[stable dawn]

still using the meme fleet?

[floral wave]

wdym meme

its legit

[scenic tendon]

No manjuu on backline = -50% wr.

[stable dawn]

JP wasn't capping?

[scenic tendon]

[stable dawn]

[floral wave]

jp was capping

but its still legit

[sour dagger]

manjuu absolutely necessary for better winrate?

[stable dawn]

[scenic tendon]

[whole salmon]

Think of it like insurance

[floral wave]

like, i cant move 5in3 due to loadtimes anyway

[whole salmon]

You know that it is there when you need it most

[sour dagger]

dont think it said that in the guide i read

[floral wave]

or 5in5 even

[neon bronze]

if pvp isn't ur goal (for now) then no need to put manjuu imo
just keep manjuu for pve and reset (might need a lot) if ur ships about to die

but then again why reset if you have insurance

[whole salmon]

Better than having the enemy Jintsuu catch you off guard and killing both of your BBs in 2 seconds

Cus it has happened before

To me

When Aldarn fought me

[scenic tendon]

Lel

[whole salmon]

Currently frontline has 2 monsters

The sneaky assassin Jintsuu Meta

[sour dagger]

would beaver be better on vanguard BB then?

[whole salmon]

Who will delete a backline if you aren’t paying attention

The other is the CV killer Laffey 2

[neon bronze]

musashi

[scenic tendon]

The real monsters are the friends we've made along the way.

[whole salmon]

Laffey 2 can solo a max HP Hiryuu when Laffey only has like 15% HP left

[sour dagger]

wnt on NJ then put NJ as flag then?

[whole salmon]

Laffey can solo any CV tbh

[sour dagger]

take off wnt completely?

[floral wave]

nah, never do that

[boreal comet]

One time my entire vanguard died but her bunny strikers finished off the enemy Hiryuu

[floral wave]

use in off flag if anything

stats on wnt are too good

[boreal comet]

[scenic tendon]

Maybe I'll put Hiryuu on def with wnt.

Don't need it for the moment.

[neon bronze]

if you're using Stepmom backline (Musashi - NJ - Vang)
then WNT Vanguard as flagship is actually pretty good option

idk much about the math but one of Vangaurd's skills partially counteracts WNT's 15% dmg dealt debuff down to 5% for ur frontline and mitigated for BBs

while opponent fleet stays debuffed even further bcs u have attack advantage

[sour dagger]

Ok backline is now flag vanguard with +10 WNT and + 10 HPFCR, musashi with +13 AFCR and +13 beaver and NJ with +13HPFCR and +13 manjuu

That alright?

[floral wave]

yeah

[neon bronze]

yes

[floral wave]

just use proper secondaries on them

[sour dagger]

they all have the twin 137 +10

[floral wave]

can use plygun on vang in this case

if you have one

[scenic tendon]

[sour dagger]

no free one unfortunately

[neon bronze]

[floral wave]

then its fine

[neon bronze]

Nepgun works fine

[floral wave]

you what

[neon bronze]

+45 fp, give or take

[floral wave]

not 360 degree

but i guess you dont usually need it

[neon bronze]

poverty option

[scenic tendon]

Use that UR IJN DD gun.

For AA.

[neon bronze]

Zeromkai tech

[scenic tendon]

I have an UR AA gun on NJ.

Very funny to Hiryuu.

[neon bronze]

can't hit enemy frontline though

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/747207493561614366.webp?size=48&name=SadChamp&quality=lossless

only 50 range

[scenic tendon]

Amagi-chan is in my top 10 shipgirls list.

[stable dawn]

she's not #1?

[fickle echo]

Maybe tied for #1

[scenic tendon]

In top 10.

Maybe even #10 or #7.

[lusty hill]

who's no 1?

[scenic tendon]

The friends that I've made along the way.

[stable dawn]

if that was the case why'd you leave

[scenic tendon]

You guys were too gay.

Hey, I'm trying to be honest.

[stable dawn]

[lusty hill]

[empty crater]

[buoyant parrot]

@deep glacier hey, what's your Kear gear if you don't mind sharing

[scenic tendon]

Serenity is spreading.

[scenic tendon]

Atleast 1tonight is not.

It stopped.

[wicked surge]

How do I gear a scissor fleet?

[wicked surge]

This work?

[stable dawn]

[floral wave]

looks alright i think?

except the vang/musashi placement and wnt

wait, vang no hprcr

hpfcr

[serene epoch]

I like vanguard mk4 so she buff Sushi and NJ Kear
Also is not it wrong jintsuu? And why she have golden oxy instead of black dildo?

[wicked surge]

Missclicked that torp

[boreal comet]

Teatorps without black torp still better than the USS?

[wicked surge]

What's wrong with backline placement?

[floral wave]

middle vang for always crit secondaries

its not wrong tbh

matter of preference

[serene epoch]

Vanguard's secondary always crit
so when she on flag she deal better damage to enemy vanguard

[floral wave]

because in that case youd also use plygun vang

and since it has lower range, middle is the best position to use it

[nocturne zephyr]

Could UvH replace either Seydlitz, FdG or NJ?

[serene epoch]

No

[scenic tendon]

Yes. Everything can replace each others.

If you are brave enough...

Don't try cacti tho.

[stable dawn]

cacti can even destroy netherite

[nocturne zephyr]

Ok

[scenic tendon]

But it can surely fill a gap.

[serene epoch]

BBs have -20% amg in pvp and UVH have built in -50% dmg.
So she will do like 30% dmg at best. And no real point to use her as flag too.

[scenic tendon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1170427206372180020/1175042109036830810/sleepyamagichan.gif?ex=6569ca3e&is=6557553e&hm=b50f7d1812c7e818dcf905d34f97207c91f7b918cf23930945503bdee2d10919&

[torpid shuttle]

yea cos additive

[ocean quest]

the size of this cap

[wicked surge]

Oh right who gets wnt? Vanny?

[floral wave]

yeah

you want the passive active since vanny basically negates it for you

or sushi if you keep her flag

[brazen socket]

I should be fine with stepmom right

[ocean quest]

food for crayon comp

🐐

[brazen socket]

crayon?

[ocean quest]

of course the name comes from using 2 white shells like a gigachad

🐐

[brazen socket]

[ocean quest]

best part is it holds up

clears like all meta comps

only weirdest shit can contest it like yakuza or some seydlitz mirrorcomp bullshittery

[brazen socket]

are you sure about using shima > fortm though

[ocean quest]

fortune is useless

[brazen socket]

might unironically try it

[ocean quest]

the less people use shima, the less useful fortune is

i made it as a meme but honestly it did hold up really good vs meta comps for some reason

with max aggro

still needs more testing

but i stand firm 🗣️

[floral wave]

woah woah hol up

what other comp uses 2 white shells

ill have to top it with 3 now

[ocean quest]

honestly not a bad idea

[floral wave]

but i have no slot for 3rd

[ocean quest]

could just slap it on musashi

[floral wave]

musashi shell not so good

[ocean quest]

but im not that unhinged yet

[floral wave]

are you running vang and nj shells?

or what

[ocean quest]

📈📈

bis2 from DOWNTON

[floral wave]

EW WHAT THE FUCK

[ocean quest]

[floral wave]

A TRIPLE IN MY PVP

[ocean quest]

yeah they would be too close regardless

if i ran 457

so nj would wait in queue anyway

[floral wave]

okay, you wanna play like this

sure

gimme a sec

[ocean quest]

i actually havent even checked how close 457 bisko and nj are

outside of that one calc but it doesnt like %rld buffs

so its not perfect

[brazen socket]

remind me, why isnt plymouth as used in pvp? just curious

[ocean quest]

fragile generally

i will try her once i get walled enough with crayon

to try gunning down laffey 2

[brazen socket]

might sound insane but what if I sneak her in between fortm / laffey

[ocean quest]

i will prob try ply sooner or later

[brazen socket]

I will do whats never been done before

[ocean quest]

you know, speed is importany

when you can simply outspeed other bbs

[floral wave]

3 shells

[ocean quest]

i thought of seyd

yeah

[floral wave]

beat this

[ocean quest]

but sadly I DONT HAVE HER!!!!

[trail temple]

Man I haven't seen white shell use since the days of Aoste

[floral wave]

wdym

isnt tonight using it

[trail temple]

You missed the joke

[ocean quest]

he gave me the idea then borgar gave me the idea of bis2 guaranteed crit

[brazen socket]

aw man every vanguard feels so slow without shima

[floral wave]

i mean bis2 white seems ok

and so does seyd

[ocean quest]

yea

i got almost walled by mirror comp but with seyd instead of nj

[floral wave]

sadly now with seyd double shell

[ocean quest]

someone as unhinged to run laffey jintsuu shima

[floral wave]

i have no space for beaver

sooooo

[ocean quest]

beaver goes on laffey

[brazen socket]

Wait

you wanna test seyd bis with plym?

[ocean quest]

oh not really with ply

ply is a separate idea for later

[floral wave]

jintsu ply laff?

[brazen socket]

either that or ply laff fort

[ocean quest]

nah that comp gets ganked by musashi

[floral wave]

then what

[ocean quest]

idk yet

[brazen socket]

man we need more speed gears

[ocean quest]

didnt think of details yet

[floral wave]

no, we need more aux slots

[ocean quest]

okay honestly 457 nj can work

little issue is that i have it at +12

adfvafsd

[brazen socket]

i'll hold off ply for now im too dumdum and probably undergeared to do actual testing

[ocean quest]

kinda same

born to shit forced to wipe

[ocean quest]

i think its like .7 of difference

[brazen socket]

do yall think still worth it to +13 wyvern just in case

[ocean quest]

okay maybe like 1.5

my time evaluation sucks

[ocean quest]

different mats so

[brazen socket]

what do I +13 first, wirbel pearl or fairy

[ocean quest]

i wouldnt bother with wirbel for 1st, its too niche imo

pearl is basically always used, fairy is really good to use on bbs

[floral wave]

nah, currently not worth

[brazen socket]

i'll just hold on to these plane plates for now ig

got no pve plane to complete anyways

[ocean quest]

wyvern for aquila obviously

[floral wave]

[scenic tendon]

Copium stuffs.

But it is strong

5.5k per shell. What the fuck?

[ocean quest]

embrace crayon

[scenic tendon]

For now I will play Priconne only.

Don't have time to punch Sandy's baggers.

[ocean quest]

already given up?

[scenic tendon]

Exams.

[ocean quest]

just bag mid exam

[scenic tendon]

I'm only 20.

Sounds copium.

Is this a sign?

[pastel jolt]

Where is 2tonight malding?

🥈

[brazen socket]

1tonight vs 2today who wins

[scenic tendon]

I don't mald. A chillax player is who I am.

[scenic tendon]

The fact is that I enjoy seeing you guys thinking that I'm being triggered by these jokes.

It's funny.

[boreal comet]

1tonight is just like me fr

[scenic tendon]

Stop being gay.

[boreal comet]

Ironic

[winged depot]

rage leaving the server doesn't seem like you enjoying it though

how ironic indeed

[scenic tendon]

I left because you guys were too gay.

[neon bronze]

good morning what is cooking