pvp

[zenith lantern]

Gear's pretty obvious though most of the time

[ocean quest]

pretty convenient but its not a hard counter, fortune can sometimes let torps thru or get nuked by them

but good enough to warrant that a lot of people run it on attack

[zenith lantern]

Pretty much everyone on Lexi has settled on permanent slot for FortM

Honestly she's good even if she's only got Shima to shut down

Trading your worst vanguard for their best is a pretty good trade.

[whole salmon]

Having Fortune Meta is better than the RNG fest of 2 triple torp mirror

And if then enemy have a Fortune Meta, you also having a Fortune Meta is still better than trying to cope triple torp against a counter

[torpid shuttle]

is fm noticeably bad vs stall

[ocean quest]

no

plus theres no good stall fleets on washy anymore

[torpid shuttle]

so the rock paper scissors

[ocean quest]

because whoever ran them swapped to current meta

[torpid shuttle]

xtrollier is still running stall

ive only met like two strongish stalls tho

so in rock paper scissors

is fm that bad vs double torp

[ocean quest]

triple bb gets fucked by torps

plus pve equips iirc

[ocean quest]

nobody runs double torp here

only fortune

[torpid shuttle]

yes but rock paper scissors

[ocean quest]

its not rock paper scissors if nobody uses rock

[torpid shuttle]

is the dynamic real

[ocean quest]

apparently

but you need to build ancho properly or sth

[zenith lantern]

Stall is dead for the time being. As soon as you're running 2 non-dps vanguards you can't deal with the torpedo vanguards fast enough and they destroy you.

[torpid shuttle]

so jintm shima fortm

i see

[zenith lantern]

You can run FortM or Ancho or Juneau but FortM seems to be most effective

[torpid shuttle]

raising fortm seems easy enough

[brazen socket]

If I only just perma run fortm I dont really need to farm a third black torp immediately right

Like I still gotta farm it but not just high of a priority

[torpid shuttle]

you can just do american asw torp anyways

asw torp + oxytorp was the budget alt

[whole salmon]

If it is Fortune then you can even run tank Fortune

[valid oxide]

Tank fortune was optimal iirc

Her torp damage is negligible

[brazen socket]

Only really want a third one for harbin yeah?

or well jintsuu

dont know who gets higher black torp priority

[neon bronze]

and tripletorp in general, yea basically

i'd farm a third or even fourth black torp

cuz i like having options

[serene epoch]

Shima > JintM > Harbin (because u swap her with fortm anyway)

[rustic kiln]

Just looking for a merit farming fleet, who should I run?

[neon bronze]

any fleet works

you can look at the Budget Fleets section of the PvP sheet; pinned here

[torpid shuttle]

i just skinned my torps

literally double dmg

who dis

is he anyone on discord

[brazen socket]

The fleet looks like it contradicts each other

Vanguard look made to stall but backline looks to clear fast

Oh wait it doesnt really contradict

I see the vision

[ocean quest]

meme fleet

[serene epoch]

beth

[neon bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/839635015633076224.gif?size=48&name=BuckyPrideAnim&quality=lossless

[boreal comet]

Finished maxing Misfortune META skeel

[ocean quest]

have fun

[boreal comet]

pvp
fun

[ocean quest]

[neon bronze]

Very fun

[serene epoch]

• Start pvping
• overcapp
• give up on season and sleep instead
• dream about you overcapping
  very fun, 100% approved

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1096617636546224148.webp?size=48&name=peperanch&quality=lossless

[scenic tendon]

Smh imagine giving up.

[lusty hill]

You officially become a pvpers if you have dream yourself overcapping

[serene epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1135634084203339786.gif?size=48&name=sexSpinUp&quality=lossless

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/787773263223717909.gif?size=48&name=hmmm&quality=lossless

should I farm 4th?

[ocean quest]

have fun

[neon bronze]

yes

depends if you wanna use either triple torp or antitorp fronline; swappable

[serene epoch]

I usually just use antitirp for everyting

[neon bronze]

well

personally i like having options

[ocean quest]

farm if you want it

[neon bronze]

basically

[scenic tendon]

Sounds familiar to me.

[brazen socket]

am I a pvper if I dream of a pvp player dreaming of a pvper who also dreams of a pvper

[scenic tendon]

Smh wet dream.

[brazen socket]

Do pvpers dream of pvp sheep

[serene epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-new-jersey-sleep-time-dreaming-awake-gif-21891450

[neon bronze]

The brainrot in this chat

[sudden spoke]

Proof it needs to be put down surely

[boreal comet]

No

That'll only spread the rot

At least now it's contained to this channel

[ocean quest]

peaceful sleep (forever)

[stable dawn]

[torpid shuttle]

i only sandbag the first match of each period, fk overcapping worries

[serene epoch]

👌🏻

[scenic tendon]

Everyone makes mistake sometimes.

[deft escarp]

[hidden robin]

is theRoon gun worse or better than this one on Anchorage?

[stable dawn]

worse

[torpid shuttle]

oh

this was a real fleet

that took a few resets

im nabbing a fortmeta

[boreal comet]

I maxed her finally

Now I am become pvper

The destroyer of my own mental health and sleep

[torpid shuttle]

prefer 137 or quad 152 on musa?

i can actually +13 either

so vs like, ancho shima jun

triple torp and antitorp should both still win?

[serene epoch]

I just use antitorp for everything.
Like one Lexi pvper said "even if there's only shimakaze, you trade your worst slot for their best slot"

[torpid shuttle]

antitorp was weak to doubletorp cos of some way

[stable dawn]

Amatir has one of the strongest fleets on the server lol

18.1k FP seems kind of low though

[ocean quest]

i rolled this guy as a bonus he has no manjuu

i think

[stable dawn]

normally he's near 19k backline for me

oh wait no according to my old screenshots he was 18.3k or so

after fiddling around with gear I've got pretty close to same FP

so this means they don't use plygun on musashi

[ocean quest]

dd tech

[stable dawn]

nvm I forgot I had kear instead of NJ

for some reason Kear is 200 FP higher than NJ with full equips on

he's def. using plygun

[serene epoch]

His displayed FP based on your current fleet tech

So cad just have lower fleet tech

[torpid shuttle]

im certainly not max tech

[stable dawn]

yeah I know, I just assumed they weren't that much lower due to being around for so long

[torpid shuttle]

i have alot of exp capped ships that im not 120ing cos of cogs

[stable dawn]

cogchamps are the real endgame

[torpid shuttle]

20k good gearing™️

what would you guys think if they release a new DDG with preload missiles in vg mode?

[stable dawn]

depends on if they miss

[late heath]

They will release UR Kashino that have 5 preload torpedo

[brazen socket]

5 x 0 is 0

[neon bronze]

kashino is v large for a reason

carrying yamato class stuff

what if we also make her carry torps; will she have a

[torpid shuttle]

do u guys still use WNT in triple torp meta?

[finite fog]

i use off flag wnt

[neon bronze]

hiryuu wnt; position depends on preference

[torpid shuttle]

is wnt additive to atker bonus

[neon bronze]

i have a bit of suspicion about hiryuu wnt but can't test it for now

[neon bronze]

no clue tbh

[torpid shuttle]

hm

[hollow walrus]

multiplicative

any dmg reduc is multiplicative in pvp

(at least that's what the wiki says)

[torpid shuttle]

doesnt that mean it's worse for your own fleet

120*.15 is 18

[hollow walrus]

wait wdym

attacker bonus is dmg reduc tho

[torpid shuttle]

lose more flat dmg

huh?

wasnt atker bonus bonus dmg

[hollow walrus]

The Attacking Commander's ships have an additional -20% damage taken advantage

[brazen socket]

Who should have beaver badge? NJ?

[torpid shuttle]

oh well

ok

[finite fog]

everyone seems to be doing it differently, but i'd do beaver kear and manjuu nj

[torpid shuttle]

NJ has more dmg so ye

[neon bronze]

uh

how'd I get 17.9k fp on backline

[flint python]

That’s standard

[neon bronze]

oh alright then

[scenic tendon]

Manjuu kear and white shell on NJ.

[finite fog]

cursed

[boreal comet]

No no let him cook

[finite fog]

have you tested yet?

[scenic tendon]

1 salvo with medal on

5.5k per shell if crit

[finite fog]

does it work vs meta fleets?

[scenic tendon]

Why not?

[finite fog]

guess i'll try it then

[scenic tendon]

Don't.

[rancid ice]

can you only get the black torp from D1 of aurora noctis? I've used 32 keys today and got 1/15 prints

[brazen socket]

Have u been farming with 2x effs

And yes its the only source for black torp

[rancid ice]

nah didn't really have a reason to farm WA before now, I just started reading up on pvp meta stuff and re-gearing my fleet. But I take it 2x books actually double the amount for 1 key?

huge

will use those when I have them again 😩

also is that like, abnormally unlucky or are they actually that scarce

[brazen socket]

Abnormally Unlucky

[rancid ice]

good

that's reassuring at least lmao

[brazen socket]

It'd be nice if they ever show drop rates for anything

[rancid ice]

yea fr, Idt that'll ever happen tho

[finite fog]

white shell nj is a psyop, don't fall for it

[neon bronze]

it worked

[rancid ice]

made up for bad streak

[ocean quest]

attacker bonus is -20% damage taken

ah its been mentionef

:en:

[sour pawn]

Is it better to use a Dev30 Harbin over Noshiro in PvP? Or wait for the FS5?

Should be getting it today

[floral wave]

yes, dev30 is enough

fs5 isnt that big of a deal

[serene epoch]

Even dev20 harb is better. Her 2nd wave of torps comes from skill not mlb

[neon bronze]

Turns out a 2nd torp barrage outdamages torp buffs

[serene epoch]

Saddest thing about harb: I leveled her only for pvp and now I do not have slot for her

[ocean quest]

shes still good in pve

[finite fog]

just play in sandy

[serene epoch]

I have enough non chinese ships for pve

[neon bronze]

Really good source of stagger dmg

[ocean quest]

anti mainland?

[round briar]

new fubuki any good for pvp?

[ocean quest]

prob not much

[whole salmon]

At some point

It feels too tiring to just swap in and out Fortune Meta

[ocean quest]

oh the chick borgar said was biszwei

[whole salmon]

So I decided to just keep Fortune Meta as a perma slot

[ocean quest]

yeah

not like it has big problems vs old comps

[serene epoch]

tbh this

[ocean quest]

and like all actual good old comp users switched to new meta anyway

[stable dawn]

[serene epoch]

Behold: secret Lexington tech. Cyber-bullying

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1096614775888298014.gif?size=48&name=champbomb&quality=lossless

[scenic tendon]

How to pvp?

[sour pawn]

I'm presuming then I'd just use this smae loadout on Harbin then?

[serene epoch]

rainbow dd gun and pearl in shimakaze

[sour pawn]

Nut Shimi is in mid slot she's always last to die as it is

[serene epoch]

harbin run dildo + goldburn

[stable dawn]

if you're going triple torp I actually prefer harbin with black torp + boiler

[finite fog]

i do blacktorp + wirbel

[serene epoch]

She do not have enough speed?

[finite fog]

[sour pawn]

I crruentyl run Aquila, BisZ, NJ, Shimi, JintsuM and Noshi

Don't have an issue with winning fights as it is but still

[stable dawn]

nah it's more that if you stack enough speed the vg will almost always launch their torps a bit forwards and thus equalise the playing field

but who knows, I may just be crazy

[serene epoch]

Nah its random even with high speed hey can just go "fuck you" and move backward when battle start

[stable dawn]

if they move backwards at the right angle that's still a free vanguard kill

[brazen socket]

Is kearsarge immune from frontier medal effects

or is it a mix where her bb dmg is reduced but her planes do more

[sour pawn]

It just wouldn't work on her right?

She's a BBV

Not a BB or BC

[brazen socket]

yeah thats what im confused about but just wanted to make sure

[scenic tendon]

Black torp + goldburn.

[finite fog]

i vote speed

[sour pawn]

I cba switching my goldburn between Hinden, Agir and now Harbin

[brazen socket]

I fucking love fortune dude she just basically removes shima from the match

[ocean quest]

sometimes

[stable dawn]

until you fight an enemy fortune comp

[brazen socket]

We love MIRRORS!!

[stable dawn]

can't wait to retry until my hiryuu dies after theirs

[ocean quest]

i thought what about running harbin instead of shima for better gun damage in that mirror case

[sour pawn]

But shimi has her barrage right? That can also hit the backline which is more important imo

[ocean quest]

yeah thats true

and extra speed 📈

[brazen socket]

My fortunes only 112 so thats kinda a problem but she does her job of deleting preload

[sour pawn]

So hwat does Fortune even do? I've seen her in a few comps but don't have her and haven't had a problem with it either

[ocean quest]

her aoa/skill deletes torps

which is useful

its got a decently big area but its not 100% consistent

and can proc at wrong times

[stable dawn]

it's consistent enough to make torp users cry
but not consistent enough to make Juneau good

[ocean quest]

basically yes

[stable dawn]

[sour pawn]

Does it proc right at the start of the fight or something?

[brazen socket]

this meta is basically how patient are you to watch your fights and how fast you can reset

[sour pawn]

Because I mean from what I rarely watch of my PvP fights the backline always dies before the frontline

[brazen socket]

You know what would be funny
UR Souryuu and shes meta in pvp so everyone gotta go back to level their hiryuu sister skill

[scenic tendon]

Smh

[serene epoch]

Hist?

[scenic tendon]

That is an issue.

[stable dawn]

[scenic tendon]

Shit

[ocean quest]

just make it affect fleetpower

[finite fog]

[sour pawn]

Htis

[steel coral]

[scenic tendon]

Lmao

[stable dawn]

why is it different for everyone

[ocean quest]

borgar too fast

[whole salmon]

And people thought Anchorage was a problem

[scenic tendon]

Idk

[brazen socket]

Thats kinda the point of fortune meta

[scenic tendon]

I'm currently running ancho jint shima

[brazen socket]

she just makes your backline not explode

[scenic tendon]

On Lex.

[stable dawn]

I'd take ancho shima juneau/harbin back any day

[whole salmon]

Now we are just in a state of limbo until the next UR hopefully changes things

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

Remember when people said Anchorage was too overpowered

[ocean quest]

maybe next meta ship

who was it again

[brazen socket]

with the release of jintsuu meta do you think they even give a shit about pvp anymore

[whole salmon]

Now we are in a worse off state

[ocean quest]

kursk meta?

[whole salmon]

Wasn’t it Gangut

[brazen socket]

the best we can pray for is they spawn with torp shields for everybody

[stable dawn]

kirov

[ocean quest]

right

[finite fog]

they never did

[ocean quest]

kirov

[whole salmon]

Evidently none of us cares about Russians

[brazen socket]

inb4 kirov is literally just better fortune

[whole salmon]

Wait until Kirov planes can spot

[stable dawn]

wasn't kirov a CL

with high burn skills

[ocean quest]

more meta fighting for a month

[whole salmon]

She has a meme skill where she spawned planes

[brazen socket]

they cared during 2020 - 2021 when torps were rampant and carefully crafted auxes and ships to get rid of torps

[sour pawn]

Russian ships have never been good for anything right? It seems like the other factions have unique stuff about them, idk what the russians is, if they do have 1

[whole salmon]

Russian ships are wack

[stable dawn]

mafia actually got rid of torps yeah

we need

mafia 2

[brazen socket]

fairy magic poster

[whole salmon]

Russians in pvp? I don’t think there was any ship that was relevant

[ocean quest]

the government?

[stable dawn]

uss UR confirmed

[brazen socket]

we just pray everyday we can slap this onto an actual relevant russian ship

[whole salmon]

For the Chinese, if you go far back enough there was China Wall used

Then for a time, DDG memes was a thing

[ocean quest]

well u have harbin

[sour pawn]

Maybe it'd make Kearsarge better too as you'd have more choice?

[ocean quest]

for china

[whole salmon]

Harbin is still used

[brazen socket]

wasnt at some point ddg existed but they got nerfed

[sour pawn]

As she uses Russian too

[whole salmon]

Out of every faction, IJN was obviously used the most

[stable dawn]

the moment we have a better torp counter, aggro will basically disappear in favour of stall

[ocean quest]

her aux doesnt have space for thay anyway

[stable dawn]

torps being bad and stall being good means Monkey will be better lol

[whole salmon]

Followed by USS with staple Juneau and dominance of Anchorage and NJ for long af duration

[ocean quest]

gas/hpfcr/manjuu/beaver is 100% contested

[finite fog]

🐒

[brazen socket]

The only thing she wants is russian gear
but she cant be slapped with poster since fcr and tank too good

[whole salmon]

HMS stopped being meta ever since Warkai was chopped to pieces by concealment mechanics

Vanguard was back for a bit but that’s about it

[brazen socket]

Eh her skill requirement is actually russian OR uss gear

you pretty much run 457 on her anyways

so not much changes

[whole salmon]

KMS is in a weird spot where they are on and off the meta at random

No clue what’s going on with them

[ocean quest]

you need uss gun and plane on her for buffed skills

[whole salmon]

Italians died except for Aquila

[brazen socket]

and france is collecting dust

[stable dawn]

KMS is secretly OP. Just have to find the sussy loadout

[brazen socket]

good thing we got flapjack and 457 for tha

[whole salmon]

French ships then only Richelieu and omega copium Jean Bart was ever used

[stable dawn]

inb4 french UR

CB

[brazen socket]

I guess we gotta pray for december gear lab update

[finite fog]

[ocean quest]

free food

[brazen socket]

we getting it next month, so pray whatever gear that'd be useful

[stable dawn]

aren't UR gun prints still useless

[whole salmon]

Hmm December slot huh

[ocean quest]

dd gun

[brazen socket]

100kai now exists so not at useless

[stable dawn]

oh right

[brazen socket]

its a want but not a need

[whole salmon]

First year was UvH, second year was Yorktown 2

So no consistency

Unlike the last 4 years where IJN took the September slot

[stable dawn]

we already got a KMS event this year

[ocean quest]

well jp anni

[whole salmon]

This year we already have HMS and KMS

[brazen socket]

We're most likely getting a USS event this month since pretty much every other faction already took their piece of the pie except the muricans

[whole salmon]

So either Russians or USS again

Or French

[stable dawn]

has to be an allied ship for sure

[ocean quest]

uss

[brazen socket]

Nope russia already had their spot with kyubey event

[stable dawn]

inb4 paper ship

[brazen socket]

french already took their spot too with fools scales

[finite fog]

i'll take a paper iowa

[stable dawn]

oh right I forgot there was a french event this year

[brazen socket]

cant be italy too since they already got their mini event

[stable dawn]

has there even been a USS event this year

[brazen socket]

its pretty much only USS left

[brazen socket]

the closest we got was NJ rerun

[ocean quest]

once-per-3year french event

[whole salmon]

Then Italians

[stable dawn]

Italians would violate the 2 Crimson Axis 2 Azur Lane rule though

[brazen socket]

otherwise no, USS has no presence this year outside of kearsarge

[stable dawn]

so probs is USS

[whole salmon]

A CV?

[finite fog]

big uss announcement confirmed

[whole salmon]

I hope not

[stable dawn]

MIDWAAAAAYYYYYY

[whole salmon]

Inb4 it is an AA CA

[stable dawn]

[brazen socket]

if they were to release a cv it'd most likely just cater to pve and to actually give someone relevant for yorktown II to buff

[stable dawn]

I mean as long as she isn't slow af she can trigger kear buff and we'd have

[brazen socket]

inb4 its a uss aquila with torp shields at the start

[stable dawn]

Kear - USS Carrier - Hiryuu

[whole salmon]

The difficult part is that the new CV either have some busted mechanics or it has to have something worth using over Hiryuu

[brazen socket]

... or worse
uss hiryuu.

[whole salmon]

Hiryuu is like Juneau

[stable dawn]

preload with ancho shield

[whole salmon]

For some weird reason, still hasn’t been powercrept

[stable dawn]

tbf juneau got a retrofit fairly late

[brazen socket]

cant really get rid of a phoenix baby

[stable dawn]

she was already powercrept beforehand during zoomer

[fickle echo]

Not if they change sides

[brazen socket]

she just rises through the ashes

[ocean quest]

jesus

[whole salmon]

Inb4 it is a UR Ashes ship

UR Takao Meta

[stable dawn]

time to quit the game

[brazen socket]

.... Yorktown META

[ocean quest]

UR tempesta

[brazen socket]

Yorktown II is based of Yorktown META

[whole salmon]

Didn’t we already have a Meta ship in events

[floral wave]

#al-general that way >>>>

[whole salmon]

Wasn’t it U556 Meta

[brazen socket]

so york meta technically is a candidate

[floral wave]

yes

[brazen socket]

Yep, she was in gacha too

[bronze marsh]

pretend i wasn't here

[ocean quest]

another yorktown spinoff

[stable dawn]

york3??

[whole salmon]

They might try to pull a UR Meta ship to subvert expectations

[floral wave]

no, york meta

[whole salmon]

Wait hold

[floral wave]

[whole salmon]

Kirov is December right?

[stable dawn]

Nagato META

[whole salmon]

Kirov Meta?

[stable dawn]

[floral wave]

yes

[brazen socket]

Ugh im out of meta crystals pouring all it on meta books for jintsuu and fortune please no UR meta for now

[floral wave]

kirov meta in like 2 weeks or so

[whole salmon]

What is the last 4 Meta ships

Gold ones

[floral wave]

okay thats too much

[whole salmon]

What’s before Jintsuu M?

[floral wave]

i have no idea

[ocean quest]

algerie

[scenic tendon]

Hey, atleast we have fortM

[ocean quest]

then uh qem?

[finite fog]

qe

[stable dawn]

meta conspiracy

[brazen socket]

Jintsuu Meta
Algerie
Queen Elizabeth
Arizona

[scenic tendon]

I can't even imagine the world without her

[hollow walrus]

Arizona, QeM, Algerie, Jint

[ocean quest]

damn on point

[whole salmon]

Hmm

Conspiracy theory time

[brazen socket]

wait

[ocean quest]

kms UR meta

[whole salmon]

Arizona is leading up to Yorktown 2

[brazen socket]

wait im stupid nevermind

[stable dawn]

oh no

[ocean quest]

[whole salmon]

QE meta is around Formidable

Jintsuu Meta is around Unzen

[floral wave]

i mean kirov might hint at russian ur, yeah

[whole salmon]

[stable dawn]

it's going to be UR Enty meta

[floral wave]

people already been saying that

[brazen socket]

Please dont fucking jinx us with a russian event

[ocean quest]

formi?

[whole salmon]

Wait wait hold

[stable dawn]

fulfils both USS event and first UR Meta ship

[whole salmon]

Let me check every gold meta befoe this

[scenic tendon]

Implacable.

[brazen socket]

They already got kronk they can go one more year without something

[whole salmon]

We might be onto something

[scenic tendon]

[ocean quest]

oh right

[boreal comet]

Yes we are onto something

We are onto some bull

[whole salmon]

Shinano - Hiryuu Meta
New Jersey - Helena Meta
Shimakaze - Souryuu Meta
UvH - Gneisenau Meta

[ocean quest]

https://tenor.com/view/the-end-is-near-homer-simpson-its-coming-the-simpsons-gif-4804767

[whole salmon]

Vanguard - Repulse Meta

I forgot what was for Musashi

[scenic tendon]

Algerie... bis2

Renown

[ocean quest]

renown?

[brazen socket]

Renown

[whole salmon]

There are those that don’t fit but the majority do

[brazen socket]

algerie was for bis 2

so you got two ships breaking your conspiracy

[boreal comet]

Kronshtadt

[stable dawn]

who

[ocean quest]

we will just ignore the ones that dont fit in

[scenic tendon]

No, Algerie was here because of Bis2.

[ocean quest]

[whole salmon]

Algerie Meta did sync with the French event that came after

[brazen socket]

Kronk was with scharnhorst

[scenic tendon]

Fcking that meta boss... was designed for only one ship.

[brazen socket]

What a strange world

[scenic tendon]

Congrats on black bat.

[ocean quest]

:1tonight:

[stable dawn]

I do think now it might just be Enty META

[whole salmon]

Hmm definitely weird, I doubt this pattern means anything

[brazen socket]

I just need my third and fourth

[stable dawn]

first UR meta ship

[whole salmon]

But if it is Russian it will be pepega

[brazen socket]

its too early for enty

[stable dawn]

end of year USS UR

[brazen socket]

the most you'll get is yorktown

[whole salmon]

But yeah chances are it could be a UR Meta ship to throw us off

[stable dawn]

we already got york2

[finite fog]

owari da

[floral wave]

UR russian cv with a good UR fighter for kearsarge

[whole salmon]

For UR Meta then we have Enty Meta, Takao Meta, York Meta as candidates

[floral wave]

🙏

[brazen socket]

Technically BHR

[whole salmon]

BHR won’t be released due to lore reasons

But that’s another topic

She likely will be locked behind NPC wall

[stable dawn]

like that w15 carrier?

[ocean quest]

noo

[floral wave]

like soyuz

[stable dawn]

[brazen socket]

...

what w15 carrier

[boreal comet]

BHR is never gonna be playable

[stable dawn]

the boss of 15-3

[whole salmon]

6 years of waiting for Tone

[stable dawn]

forgor

[whole salmon]

[boreal comet]

Evil mf

[whole salmon]

The IJN one?

[stable dawn]

ye

[whole salmon]

A phoenix name I think

[floral wave]

wasnt that zuiho

[whole salmon]

Yeah

[stable dawn]

yeee ty

[floral wave]

wait, do we not have zuiho in the game

wtff manjuu

[stable dawn]

no

[whole salmon]

Zuihou - Fortunate Phoenix

[stable dawn]

lol

[brazen socket]

Oh wait she was the girl during unzen event

[whole salmon]

Yeah we don’t have Zuihou or Unryuu

Or Tone

[stable dawn]

next year copium

[scenic tendon]

9 years of waiting for ngnl ss2

[whole salmon]

Tone locked behind NPC wall

For like 6 years

[scenic tendon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897744969769549875/1177495698044891186/f78554241e00e3468b938a4a68e6eb7c31623f1c5d107403f86bcc94fea38a9f.gif?ex=6572b753&is=65604253&hm=3f11627bef62a7e3b786af0c0761d929561bc7f1700a911f560e9246d5fa104c&

[stable dawn]

give us old Tone and Chikuma smh

[brazen socket]

tone got a new chibi but for some reason no release yet when her update was close to jp anniversary

[floral wave]

i was so sure we have zuiho ingame but she was some tech fodder so i already trashed it and forgot

turns out she doesnt exist

[stable dawn]

the phantom zuiho

[whole salmon]

There’s still a lot of ships in NPC wall

[scenic tendon]

The forbidden loli

[whole salmon]

If you dig in the files for chibis

[stable dawn]

I suspect they haven't released any more preload CVs since because they realised how much of a mistake that was for balance

[floral wave]

i mean the idea for preload is probably healers/cvls

[whole salmon]

• Teased art: Laffey 2, Yorktown Meta, Enterprise Meta, Takao Meta, Tone, Sovetsky Soyuz

• Unused Chibi: I-8, Z5, Bonaventure, William D. Porter, Phoebe

• Teased in loading screen: Admiral Scheer(?), Antoniotto Usodimare

• Concept art designs: Taiyuan Retrofit, Fu Shun Retrofit, Javelin Meta (?)

• End Game boss: Bonhomme Richard (Copium)

[floral wave]

they fucked it up with aquila a bit

[stable dawn]

too bad aquila exists

[brazen socket]

outside of gear levels should I change or fix anything

[floral wave]

but to have a preload healer any good these days she has to compete with unicorn

[stable dawn]

inb4 BHR is an opsi boss

[whole salmon]

Aviation Gas on Hiryuu if possible

[brazen socket]

just give us a ur perseus with actual damage and no reload reduction

[whole salmon]

Or are you using the baiting AA tech with Kear

[brazen socket]

shrimple

[whole salmon]

Tbh idk if that baiting AA tech even works

[brazen socket]

I did not know such tech exists

but I will slap avi gas on her then

[floral wave]

wait, is that flag hiryuu?

[brazen socket]

kear flag

[whole salmon]

Ehh?

[floral wave]

oh, so defo gas

[brazen socket]

dont really know the proper positions

[whole salmon]

Mhm if Kear is Flagship then

[floral wave]

the medal is just tonight tech

[whole salmon]

You can try switching in Manjuu on either Kear or NJ

[stable dawn]

that actually wouldn't change the meta. High preload damage will just make hiryuu and manjuu backline compulsory and torps even more necessary than before since Fortune META can delete torps from torp bombers

what we really need is just some form of defense against torps

that is better than Fortune META

[brazen socket]

Honestly a preload carrier with spawned torp shields would be good

[floral wave]

daring/gearing with UR skillset and fortunes slash

ez

[brazen socket]

Who should ideally be flagship on kenny?

[stable dawn]

problem is both sides will use her

which means once her shields expire

who will be king?

That's fucking right

NAGANAMI

[floral wave]

[whole salmon]

I’m using NJ flag since I have Kear as my Manjuu holder

[brazen socket]

Not the epic comebback

[whole salmon]

It just depends on who is using Beaver tbh

[floral wave]

naganami+kaza

[brazen socket]

Is it worth it to drop gas for manjuu on kear?

[stable dawn]

JintM Naganami Fortune META

the more things change the more they stay the same

[whole salmon]

You can try it out

I haven’t been using Aviation Gas on Kear and she seems okay

The AA isn’t that tough anymore

Considering half of the enemy frontline is probably dead by the time Kear does something

[brazen socket]

I didnt realize I had a 2nd avi gas so I just bought a third one for nothing

meh im rich on cores

[neon bronze]

remove either gold aux on hiryuu in favor of avgas
other than that, looks like a poorer version of standard kear - nj - hiryuu comp

oh wait; manjuu on either kear or nj

[stable dawn]

put it on enty for 4x airstrike bossing

[whole salmon]

But yeah no Shinano double Wyvern intercept and lower usage rate on Anchorage and Juneau means AA overall kinda dropped

For both yours and the enemy

[neon bronze]

the other bb/bc gets beaver

[brazen socket]

I wonder if we never got jintsuu being stupid in pvp would kearsarge replace nj in MSN?

[whole salmon]

Probably

[floral wave]

at least 3 might still be needed sometime in future, i had 3 and bought 4 because of the same reason you bought 3rd

[stable dawn]

no, we'd see Monkey with Ancho Shima Juneau everywhere

[whole salmon]

Or yeah no Shinano

[stable dawn]

Kear would guarantee Shinano gets deleted

[brazen socket]

quyet will still be yelling that vanguard is the meta

[stable dawn]

you mean Bismarck Zwei

[brazen socket]

I wonder if he still thinks that way

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

"cn nerds are absolute" guy when the new meta is dictated by cn nerds

[stable dawn]

should've let fortune stay obscure like she deserves

[floral wave]

she is on lil enty

[brazen socket]

CN nerds catch up to fucking cooking something as soon as they get a crumb of a datamine

[floral wave]

[whole salmon]

I mean I would trust the JP scene more if JP was actually active in their posting of the meta

But I haven’t seen anything of relevance on JP side to make any decision

Are they posting on a hidden third party website or something

[brazen socket]

how is she obscure over there?

[whole salmon]

[brazen socket]

doesnt lil enty got shima now

[stable dawn]

or JP is dying off

[floral wave]

she doesnt exist there

[brazen socket]

they should be finished with skills rn since 10x complete event

OH

[whole salmon]

Tbf for JP

We only have a few sources

Namedly Quyet and Koto

[brazen socket]

Does JP even do anything anymore

[whole salmon]

I don’t think we have any other relevant JP pvpers

[brazen socket]

I feel like they're stuck behind 3 bb meta

[neon bronze]

no one on EN digging deep enough for more JP players

[stable dawn]

sounds way more fun than hiryuu fortm

[whole salmon]

Toda Koto did try Jintsuu Meta

[brazen socket]

how come no one thought to MSN there yet
because a month ago quyet is yapping away about vanguard being the meta like HELLOOO has no one fucking exploded him with double wyverns yet

[whole salmon]

But it was with Seyd Musashi BisZwei

[stable dawn]

wait kaine's crack fleet is meta on JP???

[neon bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/779153702569246772.webp?size=48&name=omegapoggers&quality=lossless

[whole salmon]

Aside from JP being slow to adopt to new meta

[brazen socket]

everyone on JP is too busy sobbing over the next big boob woman or loli

[whole salmon]

It seems like they sometimes just don’t adopt

[brazen socket]

literally unbothered

[whole salmon]

Like the new torp meta doesn’t seem to be wide spread

[stable dawn]

maybe JP is like sandy

they just don't care

[whole salmon]

Meanwhile on CN you can find like 15 vids of Torp meta testings

Like on the first day you already have people debating the last slot to be Unzen, Harbin, Noshiro or Jintsuu Kai

Then there are Vanguard vs Musashi for middle slot

Then Aquila vs Hiryuu for CV slot

Then Kear testings

Then a whole bunch of Fortune Meta testings with both torp comp and Ancho Juneau comps

[neon bronze]

researchers

[stable dawn]

clearly uzen is actually good

if you use nagato flag

[whole salmon]

Just that the activeness on CN provided more sample size and interesting ideas

Meanwhile JP side is mbruh

For like the last quarter

[stable dawn]

beg them for new ones please. Anything to replace this cancer meta

[whole salmon]

I mean CN came up with triple torp meta

Then CN came up with Fortune meta to counter triple torp meta

[stable dawn]

not having a WR above 85% on a T0 fleet just feels wrong

[whole salmon]

And now CN is trying to counter Fortune Meta

All within a month

[stable dawn]

the fact they haven't found a nice counter yet is

a bad sign

[whole salmon]

Yeah they haven’t found a good counter

[stable dawn]

they have some, but they're so situational as to be not worth pursuing

[floral wave]

agir slow + seyd mk7, pray fortune dies

still too late

[whole salmon]

CN even tried the Bismarck Zwei Seydlitz comp

[stable dawn]

oof

[whole salmon]

With Ancho Juneau

But it didn’t work

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

So they switched to Kear countering but it was inconsistent

And the most recent attempt was Juneau instead of Shima

I mean at least they are trying

[stable dawn]

we've also been independently testing a bunch

no consistent counters

[whole salmon]

But also no reliable counter

[stable dawn]

like

[floral wave]

i mean, can you really counter fortm

[stable dawn]

we have some that have higher than usual winrates

such as ancho jintm juneau

[floral wave]

youd have to kill her before her slash OR use no torps

[stable dawn]

but it loses to old vg comps

[whole salmon]

That’s what CN once attempted

[floral wave]

but you cant use no torp frontline

[whole salmon]

It was to run a CB and just gun down the Fortune

[floral wave]

because gun dmg sucks ass

[whole salmon]

Didn’t quite work

[stable dawn]

so the hard part is making a counter that also counters the old Ancho Shima Juneau meta

[whole salmon]

I mean a CB isn’t always the best when dealing against torps

[brazen socket]

its not like aquila can explode her either

[floral wave]

would have to be like 2bb+kear and then what

[whole salmon]

So they tried Ancho CB Fort M as well

But then that lead to a bunch of problems like speed

[brazen socket]

the only way she could is probably running rockets

[floral wave]

brest

[brazen socket]

but like what are the chances the rockets focus fire ONLy fortune

[floral wave]

doesnt brest get some speed from skills

[stable dawn]

wait so if we have a ship witj preload torps with freeze we could potentially counter the meta?

Kirov META confirmed

[whole salmon]

Rockets would work but the issue is still reliability when dealing with speed

[neon bronze]

hvar hellcat + 818 Luna

then burst down with BBs

[whole salmon]

But that has other issues

That is when fighting standard comps

[neon bronze]

just swap CVs lol

[floral wave]

but

does it even matter if its post fortm slasb

slash

she already did her job

[brazen socket]

flandre aquila COULD work but then whats event the consistency of that
You also lose slots to 2 ur ships
And you also get fucked by standard comps

[whole salmon]

The problem is that we are trying to balance 2 things:

• Trying to counter a strong comp
• This comp also has to be generalized enough to also work against normal comps

Cus switching out ships every turn is annoying af and no one would ever do it when EOS times roll around

Also Swordfish has questionable reliability if Fortune M slashes it and it doesn’t apply slow

This comes back to the topic a few days ago about ships with slow methods

[floral wave]

double wyvern ark

lets go

[whole salmon]

Then you have stuff like Golden Hind with AOE slow but unreliable

Then you have stuff like Northampton 2

But the Northampton 2 idea seems hella copium

[floral wave]

for nh2 youd have to use indep flag, no?

and shes a CA too

[whole salmon]

Yeah there’s still a lot of issues with that idea

[floral wave]

like, unzen with her damage already doesnt fit because shes a ca

and very slow i guess

[steel coral]

jintm/shima/unzen works

its just harbin also works and has smoke

[whole salmon]

Which returns to “Let’s wait for December UR”

[stable dawn]

I think the real issue is not enough people have actually switched over to the meta that it's worth using ONLY counter comps

[neon bronze]

you guys really wanna smoke that stack of new ship copium

[stable dawn]

so we may just be in a wacky transition period

it's clear people are switching more and more every day, especially with the sheet

maybe we just have to wait

[boreal comet]

All I see is

MSN with Ancho/Juneau stall

[stable dawn]

I mean, think about how long people continued using mafia on ladder

[boreal comet]

With occasional T0 fleets

[stable dawn]

even during the height of MSN

a good chunk of players still had mafia def

I think mafia has only really started dying out with the recent meta

I encounter one at most every day now as opposed to one every set

and it's clear they're usually old fleets that haven't been touched in a long time due to missing gear, etc.

[whole salmon]

MSN was already used like 5 days after Musashi’s release

But it took like half a year for things to finally catch on

So meta shifts do take a lot of time

[floral wave]

i mean, mafia was strong for so long, people kept using it no matter what

and even if they cared about updating their def fleets

mafia ptsd hits hard

[stable dawn]

mafia wasn't that stress inducing though, unlike modern torp fleets

[floral wave]

i assume it was to people that only do daily pvp for merit/xp

[brazen socket]

Good news guys

cn stream on dec 1

[ocean quest]

high octane matches isnt that good 🔥

at least its not boring

when you can always get walled

if you get really unlucky 2 times in a row

[boreal comet]

About what?

[neon bronze]

make ship good for pvp and put her on 16-4

real gaming

[brazen socket]

theres no solid info what they're gonna be talking about

but they just have a stream scheduled for december 1st

[neon bronze]

source link???

[brazen socket]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/1850bvb/cn_server_livestream_on_dec_1st_at_1900_cst/

its on their official weibo for extra confirmation

[boreal comet]

Game eos stream

[neon bronze]

Blue Route

✍️ https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/592671474863570965.gif?size=48&name=FIREMIXTAPE&quality=lossless 🔥 🔥

[ocean quest]

azur lane ending?

[neon bronze]

finally i don't have to farm for shitty pvp gear plates anymore

[serene epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-here-throw-trash-garbage-gif-16402986

[neon bronze]

UR Submarine https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/780736918991405056.webp?size=48&name=OmegaPoggers&quality=lossless

[daring tinsel]

is Kearsarge any good? just got mine to dev 30

[scenic tendon]

idk, maybe checking the pin might help

[sour pawn]

It's funny reading these last 2 messages

Because I wanted to give Kear another try in PvP, and it just kinda feels like she does 0

This was the only fight she did more then 6k

What is her point in PvP?

[scenic tendon]

Idk

[sour pawn]

It seens 9/10 fights she fires way too late to do anything

Because he RLD is so low

[scenic tendon]

17-18s is late 💀

[sour pawn]

So when all she has to shoot at is either invincble stuff or the vang, she does 0

[sour pawn]

Very late yeah

The only reason she got to do something against this one was the full healing defense fleet, Juneauau, the back ship healing about 10 times, Hiryuuu, anhco etc

[scenic tendon]

She is more like a semi-dmg dealer with 3 main utilities.

[sour pawn]

What are her utilities in PvP?

Because she seems to die the fastest

[scenic tendon]

1. Revealing.
2. ARA buff.
3. Ply's buff.

I pretty much enjoy using her.

[scenic tendon]

Use manjuu alongside with FortM.

🐒

[sour pawn]

I don't have FortM

Also no Ply

And Aquila does the revealing anyway and 3x the damage

[scenic tendon]

Then use Aquila.

[sour pawn]

Yeah I'll stick to NJ instead of Kear

At least she can tend to get a salvo off, and her barrage does quite a bit too

[scenic tendon]

Keasarge buffs your shelling dmg to an enemy from main fleet by 8% if her aircraft hit them.

Also aircraft dmg if her main gun hits an enemy

[sour pawn]

I feel like that doesn't matter right? As the torps+Aquila airstrike will tend to take down all 3 backline ships in first 7s

[scenic tendon]

Mid ladder, king Aquila.

[sour pawn]

Huh?

[scenic tendon]

You only meet some silly fleets because of your low point.

While I fight some rare meta fleets.

[sour pawn]

I mean when I finished my excercises when I first typed in here I got 3rd

On the server

[scenic tendon]

Smh rusher.

[sour pawn]

But ig it's Sandy so it doesn't count or w/e

[scenic tendon]

You should not care.

I reached r30 with 5 attempts left so...

[sour pawn]

Yeah it honestly feels like as long as you have an okay fleet you can beat most other stuff

[scenic tendon]

Here is a fun gearing comp that I made.

[sour pawn]

I honestly feel like I could go full IJN with Akaga+Nagato and still win most matches

[scenic tendon]

Not phoenixF.

Most matches, you do know it.

But you are a rusher and you don't have any time limitation.

So just reset and play it safe.

[sour pawn]

Well yeah as long as I hit AotN that's all that matters, right?

[scenic tendon]

Yeah.

Also keep rushing after that.

You can even gain more merits than aotn itself.

[scenic tendon]

This comp has 3 buffs by Keasarge.

But it is outdated in my eyes.

[sour pawn]

Doesn't the Tigercat fire too slow to get the buff for your BB damage?

If it's fire 17s

[scenic tendon]

Her airstrike launches at 15s

[sour pawn]

It won'ty travel the screen in time

[scenic tendon]

Iirc

But the timing is

Kear's airstrike > Kear's shell > NJ's shell (+8% buff) > Hiryuu's airstrike

I don't use table on NJ to delay her salvo timing for the buff.

Still testing.

But the result is kinda...

A shell can hit 5.5k hp if crit.

@stable dawn can you try that funny KENNY with +13 460mm + table NJ? I don't have plates to do that yet I still want to see how it might work.

[scenic tendon]

The aircraft reaches during Keasarge's salvo.

So you have her 2nd and 3rd volley, airstrike buffed.

That's how she can deal some dmg.

Yeah, the timing is correct. Keasarge's skills are interesting, read it carefully.

[torpid shuttle]

this new torp meta is making people lose a ton

im so high ranked for 10 runs left

1455 at 10

~650

i just watched enemy fortmeta wipe like 15 torps

[serene epoch]

That's how it is. Both sides use fortme and if in 10s neither die you consider suicide

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1088272215017001011.webp?size=48&name=DeadSex&quality=lossless

[stable dawn]

last few sets I've been single digit rank at 5/10

usually this doesn't happen until Thursday week 2

[neon bronze]

Washedington 2594

[stable dawn]

2589

[scenic tendon]

We're already in a sealed fate of 2589.

Everything will all come down to 2589.

No escape. We have been delaying things.

[boreal comet]

I hate RNG and combat efficiency plan is a scam

I did 12x runs of D1 with the plans and got 1 torp print

[finite fog]

it kinda ramps up

i get at least one per 4 now, even without the 2x plan

[boreal comet]

How did I get just 1 when the plan is supposed to double them

Shouldn't it always be an even number

[finite fog]

sometimes no drop

[boreal comet]

[pseudo copper]

I finished on my alt with like 80 tickets iirc

[boreal comet]

You mean keys

Can I just skip getting a 3rd one for fortune?

[torpid shuttle]

this is actually getting bad

im not sandbagging but i at least dont want to eat any minuses

[finite fog]

Better start bagging

[pseudo copper]

Just play on Amagae or Avrora

[lusty hill]

[neon bronze]

[serene epoch]

It doubles your rolls for drop not drops itself

[boreal comet]

Frek

[gritty cove]

It works

[neon bronze]

How the fuck

[stable dawn]

sandy

[gritty cove]

Sandy can only be top tier

[finite fog]

sandy

[scenic tendon]

Sandy is the only answer.

Everything just... works.

[scenic tendon]

Frick Sandy.

[gritty cove]

https://tenor.com/view/seseren-cute-anime-girl-smash-gif-17829621

[scenic tendon]

I'm a Sandy pvper and all I can say is "frick Sandy", from the bottom of my heart.

It's just suck.

[gritty cove]

Any uhh server transfers

[scenic tendon]

Too late.

[gritty cove]

f

[scenic tendon]

Try some sandbagging. You will find me pretty easy.

I'm currently having the highest score on Sandy this year alone

And it seems like Sandy is dying again so...

[ocean quest]

🥉

[scenic tendon]

2594, never forget about it.

[gritty cove]

There is no such thing as sandbagging in EU

Unless you don't like sleeping at night

[ocean quest]

who needs sleep anyway

[scenic tendon]

Me.

Who plays pvp anyway.

[ocean quest]

nerds

[scenic tendon]

You

[ocean quest]

[coral wren]

https://media.tenor.com/Tx1ZLQZUHiwAAAAC/nanami-kento-jujutsu-kaisen.gif

walking up to every pvp match

[lean geode]

https://i.imgur.com/YedxGdG.png

is this formation right

[finite fog]

yes

[lean geode]

gear all good?

[finite fog]

looks good

i'd go for hit aa on all ships

but that's more preference at this point

[lean geode]

works for me, still need to get hou2 so keeping my iris guns free would be nice

[finite fog]

yep, if it works for you then it's fine

[lean geode]

awesome, thanks very much

[finite fog]

allg

[lean geode]

time to grind, need bulins for this collab 😩

[finite fog]

best of luck