pvp

[brazen socket]

I knew I was forgetting something

[serene epoch]

Yes, Ancho is dead. I was wrong higher-ups was right
Hymen (or MKHero/Kenny) + anti-torp vanguard — best fleet

[boreal comet]

Jintsuu Shima Harb just works

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-howard-nodding-gif-13246550

[neon bronze]

It's not impossible fighting that fleet with triple torp

Might need some resets though

[ocean quest]

cucked by fortune most of the time

and you dont really want that

[boreal comet]

As if we encounter fortune that often

[ocean quest]

well the times we do

and i cant be bothered to swap for these

[ocean quest]

i mean maybe you dont in mid ladder

[boreal comet]

Lexington moment

[torpid shuttle]

im about to just exp pack shima

rly tempted

[ocean quest]

i spent like 1.1k packs on her

[boreal comet]

Skill no maxed

[ocean quest]

np its 10/10/8

[valid oxide]

I would be doing that

If I had her

[scenic tendon]

Smh

Just 200 aff grind

[ocean quest]

imagine oathing

[scenic tendon]

[ocean quest]

gl on eos 1 tonight

[ocean quest]

okay, eat shit

[scenic tendon]

I'm not gonna copy your actions.

[valid oxide]

I'll eos next season

[scenic tendon]

Everything could happen.

[neon bronze]

wtf you missed shimakaze?

[valid oxide]

Yes

189 pulls

No

[neon bronze]

wtf why didn't you go all-in

[valid oxide]

No

[scenic tendon]

Why didn't you do opsi for cubes?

[valid oxide]

I got 7 yura

[valid oxide]

I didn't have enough opsi for coob

[neon bronze]

you pay for game stuff?

[boreal comet]

No bnuy

[valid oxide]

I had no or money either

[scenic tendon]

Just search about record files stuffs.

Smh.

[valid oxide]

I would need 11 of them

I ain't gots that time

[scenic tendon]

Even that.

[valid oxide]

Or knowledge

Idk if I even had enough left for that

[scenic tendon]

Just speak it out loud.

Lel.

We could suggest you some ways to gain cubes.

Like spamming comms.

[valid oxide]

I was

All throughout the event

And I am now because I intend on getting December UR

[scenic tendon]

Just spam 1.2k oil comm and

[brazen socket]

What comps counter Monkey?

[scenic tendon]

Everything

[brazen socket]

Like... everything in t0?

[scenic tendon]

Torps ain't gonna give these 3 targets an easy time.

[ocean quest]

you beat it with hymen

[scenic tendon]

The first time I used Monkey, I instantly went back to Hymen.

And now I'm using KENNY.

Man, these BBs are so fragile.

[brazen socket]

We just need to pray theres some anti-torp ship or aux

[ocean quest]

ill be trying musashi kear hiryuu next season i think

[brazen socket]

worst case scenario we just get a better and tankier fortune meta

[ocean quest]

to see how it does

[scenic tendon]

Monkey is strong but really inconsistent from my pov.

Even MSN can fck it.

Because after Keasarge's airstrike, you don't have any follow-up damage to stop Shinano.

You only take her buff away.

[ocean quest]

yeah theres a chance its getting downtiered

[brazen socket]

Monkey only really feels like its there to be a more general comp, the rest of the comps + kenny feel more impactful

[ocean quest]

if jintsuu wasnt there it would've been better

[scenic tendon]

Torp rng = inconsistent -> using safety net -> less inconsistent

[ocean quest]

no hiryuu is a pain currently

[brazen socket]

Man the devs unintentionally released a pvp monster

[scenic tendon]

Yeah, devs don't care about pvp.

Like how I am.

[ocean quest]

[brazen socket]

I feel like kenny should be uptiered

[scenic tendon]

The winrate aganist traditional 3BBs ain't that great tbh.

Especially Bis2 + Sey comp.

[brazen socket]

With kenny? or monkey

[scenic tendon]

Kenny.

[brazen socket]

Ah

Im gonna keep experimenting ig

[ocean quest]

full time kiddy fiddler now?

[scenic tendon]

I have irl stuffs.

[neon bronze]

Kenny is more like a counterpick

[scenic tendon]

It counters Hymen a.k.a the most annoying comp.

[scenic tendon]

^

[ocean quest]

thats why i wanted to try musashi-kear-hiryuu

to maybe try being decent at both

but slower fights without nj

[scenic tendon]

Just swap Hiryuu with Aquila if you encounter some meme fleets.

Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

💦

[brazen socket]

I am NOT becoming water

I don't care who the IRS sends i'm not becoming water

[ocean quest]

i dot wanna swap

[scenic tendon]

@neon bronze

[neon bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/741596116570734654.gif?v=1

[serene epoch]

How the fuck I have at least 1 fortune meta every set on Lexi then?

[neon bronze]

I do not consent to this

[ocean quest]

mid ladder gaming

[scenic tendon]

Everyone should have FortM

They love her design.

[serene epoch]

Looks like.

[boreal comet]

Show eos @scenic tendon

[brazen socket]

Thoughts on using shimanto gun on pvp?

that lil aa gun might do something

[valid oxide]

It's a shit AA gun

Like 38 range 2s reload and 50 something damage iirc

Oh, 85 damage 2s reload 38 range

[ocean quest]

meme

[neon bronze]

at best, it's a situational gun

if you really, really wanna delete enemy planes

[stable dawn]

wait for dec UR, maybe it'll be CV meta again

[ocean quest]

near lethal dose of copium

[brazen socket]

UR USS CV that buffs kearsarge and spawns a torp shield for backline

[ocean quest]

just uss aquila would be fine

[brazen socket]

Nah give us that damn torp shield

inb4 built in slash

[scenic tendon]

Smh I was always being confused over Hoshi and Shinonome. I even thought they had been 1 person who changed their name frequently.

[stable dawn]

inb4 collab gives us a better anti-torp comp than fortune meta

[brazen socket]

a tankier better fortune meta sounds terrifying

a dd tankier fortune meta with torp damage is an eldritch horror

[stable dawn]

not really, if she's better then most people will just abandon torps and we'll go back to a tank meta

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-homer-simpson-cocaine-80s-retrowave-gif-13665503

[stable dawn]

Ancho Fortune2 Juneau

[neon bronze]

The return of the MEEB

[stable dawn]

ez

[scenic tendon]

Then rip torp bulge.

[stable dawn]

Kear Meeb

[brazen socket]

Kear MEEB

[neon bronze]

that's nerfed Shinano though?

or

Yk2n???

[stable dawn]

not if we get a better UR USS CV

in December

[neon bronze]

Was OG right after all???

[stable dawn]

or maybe...

enty augment

[neon bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/567911629765869571.gif?size=48&name=entyDance~1&quality=lossless

[scenic tendon]

No

I forgot to put my PvP gears back.

[stable dawn]

100% lucky e chance

[scenic tendon]

Smh.

[stable dawn]

[scenic tendon]

That would be too op.

[stable dawn]

not really

[scenic tendon]

IJN duo will be gone from PvE stuffs.

[ocean quest]

kear burn

[stable dawn]

I think she'd probably have parity with Hiryuu

and that's about it

you can still snipe her before she launches

[ocean quest]

yeah

[scenic tendon]

Inb4 table for CVs.

[hidden robin]

“100% chance to evade, remove double dmg but 5% chance to instant kill”

[stable dawn]

no, give us an aux that can make any CV preload

[ocean quest]

[scenic tendon]

Smh this KMS fan.

[stable dawn]

preload Shinano

[ocean quest]

aux that makes any ship uss for kear buff

uss shinano 🥸

[stable dawn]

that's actually possible with one of those little purple items from the mini events tbh

[scenic tendon]

Is Unicorn USS?

[torpid shuttle]

hms

[ocean quest]

rly

[torpid shuttle]

does kear actually deal more damage with fuel than a shell in pvp?

or just taking guaranteed dmg

[stable dawn]

that's an all-in dps loadout

[torpid shuttle]

i can even understand trying to guarantee reveal but is that intended

[stable dawn]

most people now run beaver or manjuu as 2nd aux

[ocean quest]

often you want to run manjuu on her

[stable dawn]

the sheet hasn't yet been updated to reflect that

[ocean quest]

since shes the only uss often

[neon bronze]

what, ppl not running hsfcr on kear?

[torpid shuttle]

im doing mk hero in a week, u think it'd be sashi beaver and kear manjuu over dmg?

hpfcr is always a bb aux

[ocean quest]

hpfcr manjuu probably

rip gas

[stable dawn]

yeah probs

gasless

[scenic tendon]

Also, you don't have an instant follow-up damage source after Keasarge's airstrike

[stable dawn]

[ocean quest]

ill be doing that yea

[scenic tendon]

Avigas ain't needed.

[torpid shuttle]

manjuu is annoying to swap btwn meta and pvp

so i will not

[ocean quest]

well

[scenic tendon]

Atleast she reveals everything at 20s mark.

You have your torps...

[ocean quest]

next meta fight: only kms ships allowed

[scenic tendon]

These KMS fans...

[ocean quest]

theyre awesome especially yhe unhinged ones

🔥

[stable dawn]

problem is if everyone else is running manjuu kear/nj and hiryuu, they have 2 invulns and you have 1

fun meta

[ocean quest]

yeah that makes hiryuu really mandatory often

[stable dawn]

this meta is so strange

[scenic tendon]

Sey, Keasarge, Hiryuu with Felix when.

[ocean quest]

[stable dawn]

because we're running a dps vanguard with tank backline

[neon bronze]

two invul better than one invul

[stable dawn]

invuln meta

sounds like overwatch

[scenic tendon]

Monkey tier 1 fleet let's goooo

[ocean quest]

3 invul best 🐒

[neon bronze]

stopped using aquila because you'd need to gamble on a manjuu bb + hiryuu to lose their invuls before your manjuu bb

[ocean quest]

has anyone even tried that meme comp or is it the no data type special

doesnt need felix for full meme

sounds like cancer defense idea

[neon bronze]

seyd - nj/kear - hiryuu sounds fun

[stable dawn]

nah without musashi you lose out on a ton of dps

[ocean quest]

yeah prob

[neon bronze]

[ocean quest]

but think about the walling

[scenic tendon]

that's why Kenny is in tier 1.

[stable dawn]

honestly we just need alts to musashi

[torpid shuttle]

"just"

[scenic tendon]

But I think it should be atleast the bottom of tier 0

[stable dawn]

Time for Iowa???

[neon bronze]

with invul as well, if possible

[torpid shuttle]

only need more best BBs in the game

[scenic tendon]

As ARA'd Hiryuu is literally...

[stable dawn]

nagato buff for USS

[scenic tendon]

Shinano with Invul

[ocean quest]

sounds like kear

🧐

[scenic tendon]

Devs should invest more to other factions, just not KMS.

[stable dawn]

where all my essex class cvs at

[scenic tendon]

I want to see them malding.

But an UR KMS CV is what it is.

[ocean quest]

kear indep york 2 real meta

[neon bronze]

wonder what's Yk2n's best loadout is

[scenic tendon]

It'll be there.

York 2 is PvE ship.

[ocean quest]

only variety is in last slot (you use wyvern(

[neon bronze]

would that be ara-less kear weeb then

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1163165848710697040.webp?size=48&name=sadge&quality=lossless

[stable dawn]

use enty copium

[ocean quest]

okay then just use enty instead

lmao

[scenic tendon]

Old image

[ocean quest]

unstoppable fleet enty kear hiryuu

3 invulns

[scenic tendon]

Can't wait to see a bagger dm you about your Enty proc her skill 6 times in a row and he has to reset 9 times because of it.

[ocean quest]

(fight ends before the cvs fire)

[stable dawn]

with that rng, there will be no baggers left

[ocean quest]

maybe thats why so many people overcapped on amagi

the classified enty tech

[neon bronze]

i live in fear of two guy's fortM defenses

[ocean quest]

actually i remembered theres an even better uss cv

[neon bronze]

too much cancer, i distinctly remember nard walling me for final 1 minute of season

[stable dawn]

[ocean quest]

rnger of course shes best in slot for uss weeb

[scenic tendon]

"Just reset"

[neon bronze]

30 seconds left

[ocean quest]

[neon bronze]

when i reset

[ocean quest]

go meme fleet then -1

[scenic tendon]

That's the line of people who normally do pvp.

[neon bronze]

could've been 2596 but nard happened

[stable dawn]

gatekept by NArdVPN

[scenic tendon]

You should've atleast tried a 7-day trial of NArdVPN.

[ocean quest]

wouldve been funnier if score was 2589 after overcapping 🤓

[neon bronze]

thank god, mk existed on list with 1:1 fleet

[ocean quest]

oh so u just ate a minus?

[neon bronze]

-1 but fuck , i made it in

yes

[ocean quest]

ah

[scenic tendon]

Pace leader of Sandy overcapped...

[ocean quest]

rly

[scenic tendon]

Yeah, he did.

Like 2 days ago.

Or a day ago.

[ocean quest]

time to sleep

and surely not miss the alarm

[scenic tendon]

Enjoy your sleep.

[stable dawn]

[ocean quest]

then back to sleep

[scenic tendon]

I'll skip lunch and just go to sleep instead.

[stable dawn]

RIP health

[scenic tendon]

I will have a meal after EoS set, dw.

These days have been cold and I just want to sleep.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826150561648083034/1172650776590549112/ezgif-2-da6376cfe1.gif?ex=65611723&is=654ea223&hm=baa64b1e85fa7dace45164d75b51a0dd8e8af5383b16058407a2b9ca5fb86b7f&

[stable dawn]

hibernate meta

[scenic tendon]

I think I won't be there this December.

Just sleep...

[neon bronze]

bruh i thought i didn't get the shima torp on the lil e alt

[scenic tendon]

The torp is bad

But the casual def loves it.

UR = Best.

You only need quad kms torp, tea torp and uss mag.

Even quint kms torp if you want to see high number from your FortM.

[valid oxide]

Can fortM not use USS mag?

[scenic tendon]

She can use everything you want her to use.

[valid oxide]

What's her ideal gear though

[scenic tendon]

I just don't consider her as a torp-focused ship so.

[scenic tendon]

Depend on the speed stats of your vanguard.

You may equip her with boiler because of...

[valid oxide]

JintM harb fortM

[stable dawn]

oof with harbin you'll want double boiler for sure

maybe even run her mid and harbin off tank

[scenic tendon]

Just 1 boiler on FortuneM.

And everything will be 119.

Hope the stats does round up.

[stable dawn]

[scenic tendon]

Smh.

[valid oxide]

I've been running jint harb nosh with only a boiler

And I don't gots shima

[scenic tendon]

And you want a... goldburn on your FortM

Shimaless makes you have to sac some hp for spd

[ancient raptor]

Nah, 2600 is too hard for me

[ocean quest]

2600 on sandy

[neon bronze]

lel

[light crystal]

I don't see Boogar up there yet

I died, overcapped by 5-6

[neon bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/739771794470338631.webp?size=48&name=pogChampy&quality=lossless

[light crystal]

Top 50

[ocean quest]

man my heart

2s left

[fickle echo]

ALM doing pvp

[ocean quest]

[stable dawn]

[scenic tendon]

Just beat these dudes.

[boreal comet]

Smh imagine being lower cmd level than me

[scenic tendon]

I started last year geezzz

[boreal comet]

So did I

[scenic tendon]

Good luck with your pve.

[boreal comet]

Now I am become pvper

The destroyer of my own braincells

[scenic tendon]

He moved at 20 mins

[scenic tendon]

Smh.

You are down bad.

[boreal comet]

I am not down bad

I am just bad

[stable dawn]

he knows

[ocean quest]

[scenic tendon]

+1 nice emote pack

Murm is indeed cute.

[serene epoch]

Nah, you just restart if other fortme did not die in 10 sec

[serene epoch]

Sleep is new pvp meta??

[scenic tendon]

Always.

[torpid shuttle]

i have 500+ gold aux plates actually, could +13 3 black torps

as well as pearl

[neon bronze]

[brazen socket]

go enhance girl

[scenic tendon]

Nuke these bbs with torps.

[torpid shuttle]

is triple torp or double torp more consistent against older comps

[stable dawn]

triple because it deletes juneau and ancho

[torpid shuttle]

alright

i can only asw torp but it's good enough

[scenic tendon]

Go for tea torps

[torpid shuttle]

"i can only asw torp"

i dont have enough black torps to match tea torp

do acoustic torps fire longer

im noticing asw torps stopping short of enemy backline

expiring

well asw are mags

idk

musashi can run twin 410 with kear's twin 457 right

[scenic tendon]

Use whatever you want.

[scenic tendon]

Go for twin 356mm for barrage spamming.

[torpid shuttle]

hmmm?

356 before was to avoid abs CD meshing

[neon bronze]

twin 410 kinda relegated to comps where sushi's the only bb nowadays

[torpid shuttle]

is that so

[scenic tendon]

Kear has some rld problems so she fires slower than nj

[torpid shuttle]

thought kear was just that slow

[neon bronze]

sushi barrage busted tbh

[torpid shuttle]

kear has dork's reload so yea

[scenic tendon]

Use whatever you want to be honest.

🐒

I have some random torp bulges in my team.

No one knows.

[torpid shuttle]

sounds normal in torp meta

[scenic tendon]

I was kidding.

Eva is much more valuable.

[torpid shuttle]

took like 80 x2 runs for a black torp

oh well

[scenic tendon]

PvE.

[ocean quest]

sounds about right

[rigid summit]

starting with 60 keys it only took me 2 and a half weeks to get the 3 black torps, pretty easy farm tbh.

[brazen socket]

its almost like rng differs from person to person....

[compact jungle]

This fleet good for pvp?

[stable dawn]

good but not great

your backline will get shredded by enemy torps

could change vg setup to be Jintsuu META - Shima - Fortune META

should protect your backline a bit more

[compact jungle]

Jintsuu is not built yet

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1154196297914536058.png?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

I can 120 right away with the books but skill will take a while to max

Same for fortune meta

[boreal comet]

You can book skills too

[serene epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/839635015633076224.gif?size=48&name=BuckyPrideAnim&quality=lossless

Can even buy this books in meta shop

[brazen socket]

ASW torp good enough while you wait for tea torps with black torps right?

[scenic tendon]

Sure, but using gold plates on them is kinda...

[neon bronze]

it is copium sure

but options are options

[floral wave]

calling quyets meta copium smh

have you been living under a rock or what

[neon bronze]

what do you mean my senpai's meta is copium

mk4 nj works

so are uss magtorps

[wheat torrent]

You like fortune over harbin?

[brazen socket]

Kinda helps with not needing to switch out every now and then since everybodys just been running around with shimakaze lately

Esp if you're rushing ladders

[floral wave]

you just said it yourself

but if its not copium, why havent you been running triple bb with vanguard for months now

[brazen socket]

Real talk the sad thing about quyet is that he plays in JP so he really isnt ever gonna face the wrath of torpedo meta cause JP pvp is slow to adapt or laid back

I do hope one day he gets humbled by torp meta though

[neon bronze]

just not my cup of tea

2 bb 1 cv i find to be better nowadays

cv is basically hiryuu nowadays

i don't wanna fucking cringe at one invul vs two invuls

[floral wave]

well, he said that triple bb vang is meta EVERYWHERE, not just on jp

it was pre torpmeme, but still it was never the meta

[brazen socket]

referring to torpmeme or trip bb im a bit slow

[floral wave]

triple bb with vanguard

[brazen socket]

Oh

wasnt the meta pre-jintsuu just pretty much MSN and Hymen

I'm also pretty sure someone pulled up a comment about quyet saying smth about jintsuu and torpedos but i cant really remember

let me try to pick it up

[floral wave]

seyd kinda worked too

but no comp really involved vang

[brazen socket]

Oh yeah semen also worked pretty well

[floral wave]

no top one at least

[serene epoch]

I got walled by semen once

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/895563335800594442.webp?size=48&name=Raiderp&quality=lossless

[brazen socket]

has quyet just like never felt being able to have triple bb w/ van be obliterated by shinano

[floral wave]

hm, i found the vid i argued with quyet under

but the comments arent there anymore

[brazen socket]

If you dare to go against quyet, no matter how right you are you will be deleted

[floral wave]

thats right post unzen release i think

he was running ancho shima unzen

[boreal comet]

kekers

Unzen in pvp

[floral wave]

i mean it was early after her release

so testing needed to be done

[brazen socket]

god it would be so fucking funny if he runs into someone running anti torp it would be so fucking funny

[floral wave]

but still, i called his opponents non meta fleets and he said ive been living under a rock if i dont know vang is meta

[boreal comet]

Don't even need anti torp for that ig

Unzen gets melted quick

[brazen socket]

harbin alone would destroy it

unzen was not meant for pvp environment

[boreal comet]

Followed by shima

[brazen socket]

Its hard to argue with someone who isnt even in a server that takes the concept of meta seriously

[floral wave]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8osKY2DOsKs&t=113s

its this vid

the issue is

he said its meta everywhere

[brazen socket]

meanwhile vanguard comps out here being obliterated and sniped by shinano

Plus fighting against biszwei comp

uhmmm

well its a month old video anyways, dudes perspective might have changed

or not

he's dense

[floral wave]

surely

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745143627608752179/929136414317236224/quyet2.PNG

[brazen socket]

woah thats cool, kenny got uptiered

[neon bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1143584325300932698.webp?size=48&name=xdd&quality=lossless

[boreal comet]

Meta everywhere when all he did was test against triple BB stall

[brazen socket]

everyone was running MSN and Hymen, dude was not informed no matter what vanguard did shinano was carpet bombing backline

[floral wave]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745143627608752179/1112455366014423140/Screenshot_20230528-155943.png

ill just

leave this here

[boreal comet]

[floral wave]

thats not about pvp, but doesnt matter since its not the point

[boreal comet]

We love misleading people

[ocean quest]

quyet

[scenic tendon]

Yeha

[ocean quest]

@scenic tendon

[scenic tendon]

Oh god

Shal Dayne?

Is that you?

[scenic tendon]

What?

[whole salmon]

Oh no

CN is doing something

I have seen something I shouldn’t have seen

[whole salmon]

Lmao I have seen something truly disgusting

But whenever it happens, I have to test

CN came up with Jintsuu meta Juneau Fortune

[floral wave]

whats the point of jintsuu in there tbh

[neon bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/779153702569246772.webp?size=48&name=omegapoggers&quality=lossless

let me see

[whole salmon]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Pw411p7fK/

[neon bronze]

hey, it works on mirror for some reason

wut

[whole salmon]

At some point you just learn not to question CN wizardry

Somehow that has 90%+ wr against Torp Fortune Hymen

[neon bronze]

wtf they clutching out on hiryuu vs hiryuu

[whole salmon]

Their thoughts seems to just be

"Well mirror ends up with Hiryuu vs Hiryuu anyways, if I have Juneau then surely my Hiryuu would have more HP than the enemy, winning me the duel"

I mean, it is an interesting approach smh

[neon bronze]

but wtf, too much buttclenching for me

[whole salmon]

CN Wizardry

[scenic tendon]

You win massive damage by massive healing.

[neon bronze]

guess you win if their hiryuu procs first

[scenic tendon]

🐒

This meta is all about Final Counter's timer.

[neon bronze]

Situational gearing used for once

since Juneau is sandwiched

pearl fortM

[whole salmon]

Tho Raff did say that the effectiveness of this is only equal to that of NJ Kear Hiryuu

Against Hymen Anti torp

A true counter does not exist due to the sheer volatility of the torps

[scenic tendon]

Smh rip KENNY

Losing to abusing Juneau.

[whole salmon]

Until we get a new ship that reduces the torp alpha damage

[scenic tendon]

Actually Hiryuu doesn't need torp bulge.

Time to do some adjustment.

[spiral owl]

+10 tenrai

[scenic tendon]

Show eos?

[boreal comet]

I'll oath Hiryuu and name her 1tonight

[scenic tendon]

smh copy cat

[spiral owl]

Nah I'm good but how you got +13 wyvern and pancake but +10 tenrai

[scenic tendon]

Show eos.

[spiral owl]

Jesus how mad are you ?

[scenic tendon]

+13 Wyvern > +13 Fighter > +13 Tenrai in PvP.

[spiral owl]

That's not my point but ok bud

Ig you only play pvp

[scenic tendon]

Read the channel's name once again.

Do you know how to read?

[spiral owl]

I don't even want to argue with you on that point but go ahead you're 100% right

[scenic tendon]

What's your point?

I want to hear it.

[boreal comet]

Man is mad about non pvers

[scenic tendon]

@spiral owl also, where is my "very lewd kearsarge fanart"?

That's the main reason why I was being mad at you.

And invest your gold plates into fighters more.

If you want to indeed play PvE, I think you should focus on skyraider, fighters and torpedoes bombers first, not +13 tenrai.

[spiral owl]

Pvp for sure brings out the best in people when all I'm doing is joking about a funny thing and you jump on my throat for it and then go back and check my messages

[scenic tendon]

[torpid shuttle]

least RNG torps

[scenic tendon]

You take it too seriously. Sorry for having scared you

[spiral owl]

You sure did bud i'm really hurt here yk

[torpid shuttle]

sob

[scenic tendon]

[torpid shuttle]

kear's damag edoesnt seem so high

[scenic tendon]

That's even more funny to me.

[torpid shuttle]

not as high as NJ's

is it just for reveal

[spiral owl]

Mostly for reveal

[scenic tendon]

Okay but where are the fanarts?

I do remember all time time and totally didn't have to check your past messages to remind me about it.

[spiral owl]

Unfortunately my cat slipped on my keyboard and deleted all my fanarts

[scenic tendon]

I'll confirm it with your cat.

[spiral owl]

https://tenor.com/view/miau-cat-meow-gif-9406008167044251375

[scenic tendon]

[torpid shuttle]

do you guys believe in +13 oxy

[scenic tendon]

Yes.

[valid oxide]

Surely you have one from pve for a submarine anyway

[torpid shuttle]

no?

subs wear snorkel hull

[valid oxide]

Come can forgo one or the other for oxytorp

Some*

[torpid shuttle]

since in im w15, none can

[valid oxide]

Ah

[scenic tendon]

U-37 can use oxy torp iirc

[torpid shuttle]

the ones that can reload bidder fully without snorkel on a single target map yes

[scenic tendon]

I don't get it.

W15 even needs that much optimization?

[torpid shuttle]

i was trying lethal full clear for awhile

it does need to be that optimal

[scenic tendon]

Smh PvE.

[torpid shuttle]

it's to the point where i might +13 wyvern just for pvp + aquila equips

[scenic tendon]

Just +13 Wyvern.

It's just a bless to have if you want to do pvp.

[boreal comet]

Not all

[torpid shuttle]

like

how many times

will people say the same thing

there's an entire conversation already

[boreal comet]

Oh I was talking about hull

Not snorkel

[torpid shuttle]

only like u101 doesnt wear hull

[boreal comet]

Flags

[torpid shuttle]

flags still like hull

[ocean quest]

what was that vs

[torpid shuttle]

idr, some 18k and 15k fleet

[ocean quest]

[torpid shuttle]

it wasnt fully meta at least

[ocean quest]

idk i dont recognise that name so theres good odds its a meme fleet

[torpid shuttle]

it wasnt meme

[ocean quest]

idk im actually trying same comp this season

i dont like how slow kear is but I will wait until I find actual strong defences

[torpid shuttle]

nj does more straight dmg

i dont think hiryuu will always fully reveal?

if hiryuu is enough then kear can leave

do fleets even need kear reveal in torp + hiryuu meta?

[ocean quest]

nj is faster,kear has extra utility in form of rreveal and damage buffs

[torpid shuttle]

the dmg buffs dont rly matter if she just does less damage

[ocean quest]

thing is its a big pain when you face a mirror match on hymen vs hymen

[torpid shuttle]

if that's so then that's kear

ok i see

[ocean quest]

yeah thats what im gonna try once i find amatir on my list

see how that does

cus his def is prob the only hymen worth testing vs, others switch late season

[torpid shuttle]

i can set up a good one

you were washy right

[ocean quest]

i mean you'd need all +13s and oaths probably

else attacker advantage makes it much easier

[ocean quest]

yesh

[torpid shuttle]

just assume atker advantage to be +30% winrate or whatever it is

[ocean quest]

plus finding other person is much harder early season

i'll just wait until midseason

[scenic tendon]

Yeah, much more reliable. Kear reveals Hiryuu at 20s mark, removes her buff and sometimes even hits her with 457mm since decent rld stats. Also, don't you notice some homing torps from your JintM's barrage? That thing will only hit Hiryuu if she is being revealed.

[torpid shuttle]

yea i knew about jintm prio targetting

didnt know that vanguard also depended on backline reveal though

[ocean quest]

yeah a lot of times vgs shredded backliners a bit if won the vg fight

[torpid shuttle]

if they won the vanguard fight then they already reveal backline by walking at them

[ocean quest]

ye

[scenic tendon]

Not every time ya know.

Torp rng.

[torpid shuttle]

torps dont reveal

are you talking about torps winning vang fight?

[scenic tendon]

And JintM's homing torp

Shoots

[ocean quest]

well the idea is to swap nj to kear to try and counter hiryuu

[scenic tendon]

At 23s mark.

[ocean quest]

since hiryuu in current meta is so popular youre at a disadvantage if youre not running her

kinfa

[scenic tendon]

And Hiryuu launches at 22-23s mark.

You won't be able to reveal Hiryuu with Hiryuu fast enough for JintM.

Because of the timing.

[torpid shuttle]

10s barrage trades arent enough?

[ocean quest]

i mean nj wont hit hiryuu

[scenic tendon]

Is she revealed?

[torpid shuttle]

is she

[ocean quest]

most likely not

[scenic tendon]

23s reveal sounds not that fast enough.

20s reveal from Keasarge sounds more reliable to me.

For JintM's torp and removing buff.

[ocean quest]

i thought about getting a slower gun on musashi to follow up on kear's reveal immediately but it sounds like a bad idea

[scenic tendon]

I have a beaver, bulge Musashi as a joke.

[ocean quest]

i thought of trip 410 meme

[scenic tendon]

Just bring Helena.

[ocean quest]

you could just nuke hiryuu instantly you know (in theory(

[scenic tendon]

This meta is about torp rng's inconsistency, it is reduced by Hiryuu, FortM then all the way down to keep your Hiryuu longer and kill their Hiryuu faster.

[ocean quest]

thats what im doing

trying to do*

[scenic tendon]

And Keasarge works because of she helps killing Hiryuu faster.

🐒

While still remains decently tanky..

Or you can try preload tech.

[torpid shuttle]

this looks like full gear right

it wasnt actually close because of full counter

but waw

[ocean quest]

yakuza

[ocean quest]

you never know what rushers have in mind when equipping their ships it may as well be pve gear

plus its old meta if anything shouldve been a free win regardless esp with 3x torp

[torpid shuttle]

i just didnt believe it

[ocean quest]

i mean if people are using it

[torpid shuttle]

that's 200% not enough reason

[ocean quest]

gotta be real

[torpid shuttle]

but it gud

[ocean quest]

big damage jintsuu

[torpid shuttle]

my jintm and shima are not equal gear yet, so idk dmg comparison

[ocean quest]

inconsistent to compare them

[torpid shuttle]

real

[ocean quest]

whoever hits more torps in gets more damage, jintsuu has a little advantage she can sometimes fire the on death torps into backliners

and probably kill them

but sometimes she aims them at vanguards and they fly off to nowhere

[stable dawn]

I actually tested something similar against Amatir, who runs HYMEN anti-torp on washy with correct equips (shocking, I know) but eventually decided it wasn't worth pursuing because hiryuu duels suck and imo it's actually less time-consuming to just restart the fight a few times with a faster fleet to try to bait out Final Counter early.

That, and JintM - Juneau - FortuneM gets absolutely slaughtered against old comps

[torpid shuttle]

jintm juneau?

[stable dawn]

yeah the CN video uses Juneau mid with some HP/speed stacking

like, it works, but I wouldn't use it lol

[ocean quest]

hop on pve musashi @stable dawn

[stable dawn]

no, that'd wall half my movers

[ocean quest]

i keep my fleet

[stable dawn]

toxic smh

[ocean quest]

have them earn their points

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

guy got r1 on his server btw

score is not that much (first a 2570 on his server)

👌

death should've gave u beth role of church of shima

[winged depot]

who let the sandy guy cook

[fickle echo]

The first 2570 was Jens not Veerra, though Veerra won some seasons where there was 3-4 more people with R1 chance and I don't think some players would be able to do that

[neon bronze]

veerra also got 2570~ right

[winged depot]

I remember it being 69

idk

[fickle echo]

I don't think so, he stopped moving late for a high score before the R1 score got that high

[neon bronze]

ah. i see then

[fickle echo]

The only ones who got 2570 should be Jens, Aldarn and Cute and Funny

[neon bronze]

apologies, was a bit tired on my end

[winged depot]

sussy name that last one ngl

who even has the highest score there

aldarn?

[fickle echo]

Aldarn got 2574 the others got exact 2570

[trail temple]

So sussy they need correction

[scenic tendon]

Degen.

And smurfers.

[whole salmon]

Yeah it sounds pepega, the dude that CC tested against was Rafff. Rafff later made a post saying that the fleet is still inconsistent and than Kear is still a better counter

[stable dawn]

so it looks like for once we're on the same page as CN. Trapped in this horrible torp + hiryuu meta until the next UR comes out

[whole salmon]

Any news on JP?

[stable dawn]

does JP even pvp

[scenic tendon]

They are collecting waifus.

True gameplay experience.

[stable dawn]

I think they're too busy oathing 600 clevebros

[scenic tendon]

Skill diff, we can't compete with them.

[sturdy kraken]

wtf ran into a glitch

pvp didn't end after opponents characters are dead

[scenic tendon]

Gridman?

[sturdy kraken]

yeah

is it a known issue?

[scenic tendon]

Aw man.

They haven't fixed it since July.

Or June.

Time to build an ultimate wall fleet based on these information.

[scenic tendon]

I'm the no.1 Gridman hater. Having overcapped some attempts because of it.

[stable dawn]

weird because it was fixed shortly after the event reran

code regression???

[scenic tendon]

I haven't seen the announcement.

They actually did fix it?

[stable dawn]

yeah we tested

[scenic tendon]

Something is kinda wrong.

Maybe because of the def's bad gears or bad internet connection.

[stable dawn]

or as I said, could be code regression

wouldn't be the first time

[scenic tendon]

Devs dont care about pvp.

[stable dawn]

never have

[torpid shuttle]

getting closer

[neon bronze]

guys how to get +49 score in Exercises

[valid oxide]

Pov: bad version controll

[boreal comet]

Failed git users

[stable dawn]

just give everyone ftp access

what's version control

[rich raft]

still waiting for disconnect or exit = instant lose in pvp
or like seasonal map where certain factions get buff every month or only can use certain factions every month

[stable dawn]

problem is pvp itself is so unreliable and buggy that it will never work out and all it will do is convince less people to play the already obscure gamemode

just remove pvp from the game and replace it with that roguelike cardgame mode they tested earlier (improved ofc)

[scenic tendon]

Try more pvp and you will know that it is just simply impossible to apply.

Also that faction thing would fck most of everyone due to restricted pvp ship pool.

Atleast your ideas are still better than real-time pvp, ban/pick pvp or 3v3 pvp.

Also devs don't care so...

[rich raft]

still also waiting for medallion update it been 3 years we are still in bronze medal LOL

[floral wave]

no they arent

pick/ban bad but forcing people to use certain factions good

[hidden robin]

meanwhile me simply wish for a separate PvP equipment slot 😕

[scenic tendon]

You're smart.

[serene epoch]

You guys really use different equipment for pvp? Woah

[scenic tendon]

PvE gears and Pvp gears. Switching them is a pain in the butt.

[serene epoch]

Just use quint mags then, it is rainbow so it is good

[scenic tendon]

I use quint mag tho

[hidden robin]

"Mom I want quint mag"
"No we have quint mag at home"
Quint mag at home:

[neon bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1143584325300932698.webp?size=48&name=xdd&quality=lossless

[serene epoch]

Why not +13 tho?

[hidden robin]

you can't +13 T2

[serene epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/829172998958612510.webp?size=48&name=panik&quality=lossless

[neon bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1143584325300932698.webp?size=48&name=xdd&quality=lossless

[stable dawn]

[torpid shuttle]

bruh this is scary

played vs a full MSN

[stable dawn]

what vg are you using

[torpid shuttle]

a little weak triple torp

[stable dawn]

wait are you using hiryuu flag

with wnt

[torpid shuttle]

yea

[stable dawn]

I usually prefer her off flag on attack

without wnt on flag

[torpid shuttle]

i am noticing kear getting wanked

[stable dawn]

does she have manjuu

[torpid shuttle]

nah

[stable dawn]

explains it

[torpid shuttle]

but it's like

before hiryuu even procs

so i could believe hiryuu top

[torpid shuttle]

with who flagging

[stable dawn]

musashi

[torpid shuttle]

i see

[stable dawn]

yeah and on def I just swap their positions

though this season I'm trying out new fleets so my musashi has a 460mm gun and is on pve duty

[torpid shuttle]

is it working

[stable dawn]

idk I'm not using her in pvp loool

currently running a weirdass setup with percy

I saw you @fickle echo 👀

[torpid shuttle]

hiryuu is literally mvp

[ocean quest]

i feel like its a bit of a bad sign if youre struggling vs msn with torps

[torpid shuttle]

oh im not struggling

im not resetting at all

idk by how far im supposed to win these fights tho

so triple torp scary

[valid oxide]

Babe wake up new lilE BB

[neon bronze]

Hoyl shiet

[valid oxide]

(I might be wrong, the skill looked pretty decent though)

(I also don't have the greatest eyes )

[neon bronze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845349843731873792/1177136660060840058/IMG_3318.png?ex=657168f1&is=655ef3f1&hm=af52ce96dc2f3591f985699d44315d14d28cb28bfbcd652d7ffc2b57b7b1a3aa&

this ship

?

[valid oxide]

It's the one called fubuki

They also have bootleg hiryuu (the CV called yumi)

[pseudo copper]

This one?

[pseudo copper]

That is bootleg Hornet 2

[valid oxide]

This bootleg musashi looking one

[pseudo copper]

Idk

I think one I sent is right one

[valid oxide]

[pseudo copper]

It is collab Fubuki afterall

[valid oxide]

Babe wake up new Collab fubuki

[pseudo copper]

I sent new one

[scenic tendon]

Do you want to mess up with torp timing?

[brazen socket]

I just overcapped by 10 tries

I love my memory and school

[astral mortar]

What ships is useful for PvP?

[torpid shuttle]

check pins

[astral mortar]

Me when I leave before I get defeated in PvP: Banned.

[neon bronze]

Guess pvp just dies

lol

[torpid shuttle]

resetting is the game

[astral mortar]

Ok.

[torpid shuttle]

winrate depends on attention span

[neon bronze]

You are very much free to reset

Some fleets are hard to crack and that just is

[torpid shuttle]

so far no comps are walling me

so im feeling p good

[ocean quest]

well only comps you encounter so far are rusher's

[scenic tendon]

Yeah mid ladder gaming.

Just feel so good.

Aquila goes brrrrr

[torpid shuttle]

well i mean

i recognize some people and comps who once walled me

like triple BB and MSN with ancho shima juneau

[ocean quest]

🤔

[scenic tendon]

Try my idea.

[ocean quest]

where staag jintsuu meta

[scenic tendon]

Who cares?

[ocean quest]

Me

[floral wave]

wait, whats the point of flag hiryuu w/ medal

[neon bronze]

Let him cook

[floral wave]

genuine question

[neon bronze]

||increase CV dmg while nerfing BB shelling dmg||

while keeping torp dmg as is lul

[floral wave]

yeah hence my question

because at the same time its a suisei hiryuu

is maximizing hiryuu crash dmg even worth over nj/kear dmg nerf

doesnt decrease kear dmg apparently

still a weird choice

[scenic tendon]

Fun fact, BBVs ain't affected by medal.

[floral wave]

ye i just checked

[scenic tendon]

The medal is here to create a bigger gap between your Hiryuu and their Hiryuu.

Real comp is there.

[floral wave]

no

[neon bronze]

it might give u an edge over Hymen?

[floral wave]

no, no, no

take that mid juneau shit off my screen

this doesnt exist

[scenic tendon]

KENNY with this type of vanguard achieved 98% wr aganist Hymen.

[scenic tendon]

Medal + ARA'd Hiryuu + Snipers > Medal Hiryuu.

[neon bronze]

Already believing in CN wizards I see

[scenic tendon]

This is just pure logic.

How to make your Hiryuu last longer?

Healing.

[floral wave]

screw hiryuu, i need to finish my felix

[steel coral]

just use mk4 kear

that way enemy nj doesn't clean up while you're waiting for your nj to fire

[scenic tendon]

Not buffing Keasarge's airstrike.

I'm just thinking...

[floral wave]

wut

its faster than 457

so it will buff her strike

[scenic tendon]

Got it wrong with mk7, but I still don't think it worths it.

Just 457mm is enough.

[floral wave]

point is

you can use nj hpfcr then

unless you want nj to shoot after airstrike

[scenic tendon]

Nah, she has to go after for the airstrike to come first.

[floral wave]

weirdge

[scenic tendon]

So she can have that 8% shelling buff from Keasarge.

Kear's airstrike > Kear's shell > NJ's shell (+8% buff) > Hiryuu's airstrike

The timing order.

[scenic tendon]

That is the whole point.

[floral wave]

i guess

[scenic tendon]

You guess, but I calculated it.

KENNY with medal.

[floral wave]

did you include evasion into your calc

anyways

how important is fortune when dealing with tritorp?

[scenic tendon]

1 slash and the torps are all gone

sounds like a dream

[floral wave]

is it necessary or just a luxury

[scenic tendon]

Must-have.

Less rng and a hard counter.

[floral wave]

meh

[scenic tendon]

Or atleast

She helps you reduce the chance of resetting.

By a whole.

[floral wave]

guess ill have to see for myself

[scenic tendon]

Check Ari's videos.

It's just easy to see the advantage of having FortM

[neon bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1143584325300932698.webp?size=48&name=xdd&quality=lossless

i will accept a lexi pvper video if they show their gears

[zenith lantern]

I've actually been doing that a bit

Or I link in the description most of the time