Balans has been re established
#pvp
whole salmon
ocean quest
rockpaper scissors 
stable dawn
new ancho
hidden robin
Fortune META's slash from her skill is the same as augment's ?
stable dawn
wait her skills are just dps
stable dawn
or use a stall comp so she deals 0 damage
hidden robin
can't tell how Fortune performed from a bunch of effect in that vid
stable dawn
ocean quest
well its been established
ocean quest
can't tell how Fortune performed from a bunch of effect in that vid
the swipes removed the torps, thats her skill
whole salmon
can't tell how Fortune performed from a bunch of effect in that vid
It removes torp
A direct counter to triple torp
hidden robin
ah so i guessed correctly
whole salmon
But surprisely, offense Fortune Meta comp only has 83% win rate
ocean quest
10s cooldown so it will be up all the time for torps
whole salmon
Which seems low for a direct counter
Weird
Since normally you expect it to be like 90%+ wr
Or at least 85%+ wr
Well it is still the best comp to deal with triple torp currently
stable dawn
best comp so far
whole salmon
However, it can't hold its own against standard MSN or triple BB
stable dawn
whole salmon
Since you know
You have a Fortune Meta there
So standard comp is gonna plow through it
ocean quest
dead weight outside removing torps
whole salmon
Since it became rock paper scissors again
ocean quest
u can just hold her raised and swap her if u encounter a torp comp
stable dawn
real
whole salmon
Her skill has 10 sec cd between activation
So it won't stop Shima's subsequent barrages
It only works on opening wave
So standard comp would still beat it
Since you know, you are running a Fortune Meta
hidden robin
still an interesting experiment
hidden robin
would be a new meta pvp if there would be a new SSR/UR ship with similar slash skill 
whole salmon
Devs saw players complain about Meta ships not being relevant
Then proceed to release a Meta ship to shake up pvp
And forces players to use another Meta ship to counter said comp
stable dawn
meta within a meta
whole salmon
In 2026 we might have Meta supremecy
stable dawn
whole salmon
6 Meta ships
fickle echo
Also the video had Noshiro and I'm almost sure Harbin can survive more than her to launch a 2nd time because of her smoke and better defensive stats
whole salmon
stable dawn
fickle echo
Bon Homme t0
hidden robin
Enterprise META with 100% invincible proc chance but no dmg bonus 
fickle echo
npc until 2030 update
I'm sure she's gonna counter Yamato and Soyuz at least
whole salmon
Well anyways, I'll keep using triple torp for the time being until the meta stablizes
Then I'll switch to Fortune Meta
fickle echo
Does anyone even have her at 125? Lmao
stable dawn
whole salmon
Legit no one thought Fortune Meta would be the savior
I don't even know the skills of Purple Meta ships
stable dawn
how did that guy even discover her lmfao
whole salmon
Since who tf bothers with those
hidden robin
Legit no one thought Fortune Meta would be the savior
man we got like 600+ ships, it's not easy to remember every single detail of ships' skills now
valid oxide
Wait so I should raise fortune meta? 
hidden robin
Wait so I should raise fortune meta? <:MutsukiStare:470999577156124693>
not really
fickle echo
Wait until I ran the secret tech to counter her ||Plymouth||
ocean quest
chinese monks studying every single ship's skills all day so we can enjoy the fruit of their work
whole salmon
If enemy has Fortune Meta, run standard comp
neon bronze
fortune META skills
stable dawn
pvp is martial arts confirmed
neon bronze
skill 1 maye
hidden robin
i call them "magician" instead of monk
ocean quest
perfectly balanced..... as everything should be
valid oxide
<:kek:815234570127015946>
Do backlines remain the same?
fickle echo
Oh wait, maybe I can run Shimanto and try to outlive fortune
neon bronze
Do backlines remain the same?
if you run HYMEN, yes'
hidden robin
Oh wait, maybe I can run Shimanto and try to outlive fortune <:EssexWheeze:11139...
Shimanto + Ibuki + Shima
fickle echo
Shimanto lmfao
Can't counter torps if there's no torps 
hidden robin
well Harbin works too
whole salmon
My man woke up one day and saw people running torp meme and was like
valid oxide
Back to hymen right as I gain the ability to run milf TwT
hidden robin
Shinabro Unzen Shima
any double preload, yes =)
stable dawn
to full IJN meta
whole salmon
But yeah it seems Shinano might be gone permanently
neon bronze
hidden robin
but Harbin can delay her 2nd torpedo load =)
stable dawn
whole salmon
MSN still dead tho
Fortune Meta comp uses HYMEN backline, no Shinano
Torp meme comp doesn't use Shinano either
fickle echo
Oh wait @whole salmon you forgot something, there's a ship that does 1 thing and only 1 thing, killing light armor vanguards
UVH time
whole salmon
Standard comp to counter Fortune Meta then just run triple BB
valid oxide
So I just run hymen
whole salmon
So I just run hymen
HYMEN with Fortune Meta instead of Shimakaze to counter torp meme
With WNT Musashi
And Bulge on Ancho
neon bronze
Og was right
omegalul
whole salmon
All of that to only get 83% wr
fickle echo
Double mk7 new meta
whole salmon
valid oxide
So PvP has completely transcended it's regular bounds
ocean quest
why not run triple bb with fortune meta 
stable dawn
no people are just meming until the meta settles
whole salmon
"Everyone is trying to out tank the torps, but I went one step further, I removed the torps"
hidden robin
I don't have double MK7
no problem, use this 
stable dawn
neon bronze
racing team is really difficult to play.
whole salmon
"Everyone is trying to out tank the torps, but I went one step further, I remove...
Chad behavior
neon bronze
mtl kinda fun
valid oxide
So I need to raise fortune meta and jintsuuM and unzen when I hit pity (only one pull to go) as my next vanguard levelling batch?
stable dawn
or you can ignore the meta shift for the first month and just sleep
whole salmon
Huh wait
stable dawn
we'll have found perfected ones by then
valid oxide
Sleep is overcap 
whole salmon
Since torp meme doesn't use WNT
stable dawn
valid oxide
And Bulge on Ancho
Does it replace manjuu or kicks
ocean quest
no manjuu to replace
whole salmon
The danger is now the backline
valid oxide
Manjuu NJ by any chance?
valid oxide
Or is kear in the picture now
whole salmon
The backline is where the dangerous stuff happens
Kear? Who tf is Kear?
Less relevant than a purple meta ship in pvp
Imagine DR status and hasn't even been brought up in convo for the last month
ocean quest
well maybe because she takes a while to raise 
valid oxide
I think I have fortune meta skills already raised
neon bronze
no kear pvp
whole salmon
Well Kear was brought up for a bit
That she can spot Shinano
But now triple torp killed Shinano before Kear is even relevant
hidden robin
4x 200% efficiency of HVAR is no joke
ocean quest
I think I have fortune meta skills already raised
you can get them to 10 like instantly now with the books
valid oxide
Wait does fortune meta use pearl blacktorp
valid oxide
you can get them to 10 like instantly now with the books
I did it without books 
fickle echo
Kear+NJ+Luna with torpmeme 
whole salmon
Fortune Meta releases ages ago
valid oxide
Kear+NJ+Luna with torpmeme <:Boisium:1024085529362436156>
Why Luna?
whole salmon
So people should have her skills at level 10 due to passive grind
fickle echo
Why Luna?
She launches multiple airstrikes so she can hit the vanguard outside Ancho's timing
whole salmon
Since Musashi still has a higher chance of dying
neon bronze
even less spread?
fickle echo
The higher up was 1 step ahead to counter fortune 
whole salmon
On MSN, they have table on Musashi
But since Musashi keeps getting 1 shotted
They switched Table to NJ
hidden robin
why does CN use gay table on NJ instead of Sushi
perhaps cuz' Musashi can spam shots with that blue gun
neon bronze
whole salmon
By the time people see the danger of torp meme and starts running it
hidden robin
weak-ass blue gun, so extra hit or tighter spread does not matter
whole salmon
I should have Fortune Meta ready anyways
Since EN is really slow in adopting new metas
So torp meme should still be good for a few weeks
Up to maybe a few months
valid oxide
So I have time to raise JiM, unzen, and fortune meta?
fiery palm
hi so i think im stuck on exercise,
im just on daily exercise and then im about do another run agaist full grindman team
after defeating all ship i got stucked there
sorry the vid only can play on mobile
ocean quest
your game froze, just restart
valid oxide
And I can just revert back to hymen?
valid oxide
Okay but isn't hymen still good anyway?
fickle echo
Little Enty doesn't have Fortune meta so no one can save them from torpmeme 
fiery palm
It happened to me before
will i count as lose?
whole salmon
Currently triple BB and MSN still relevant in pvp
ocean quest
will i count as lose?
how would it if you won
whole salmon
will i count as lose?
No
neon bronze
it's joever
neon bronze
church of shima gonna run triple torp
whole salmon
Current pvp is still old meta
neon bronze
already adventage
whole salmon
Wait for like a few weeks until new meta is adopted
valid oxide
Currently triple BB and MSN still relevant in pvp
So I can stay on milf for now 
whole salmon
Fortune Meta is just a counter to a New Meta comp
And that new Meta comp isn't relevant on EN yet
valid oxide
Oh yeah unzen > noshiro as off-tank torp ship right?
valid oxide
Where does unzen go then
valid oxide
whole salmon
Last slot is now contested between Harbin and Noshiro
valid oxide
I don't have shima 
fickle echo
Where does unzen go then <:EssexShock:618147670867050497>
To PvE
valid oxide
Can unzen not even be the pearl sandwich torp ship
whole salmon
Fortune Meta comps should only be use when Torp meme is relevant
And as Torp meme isn't relevant on EN, don't bother using Fortune Meta right now
But you can still raise her in preparation for the full meta integration a few months from now
valid oxide
But you can still raise her in preparation for the full meta integration a few m...
I need her +1 DD asw anyway
whole salmon
Musashi also had slow af integration on EN
I think it was like 2-3 months until she became common in pvp
fickle echo
Can unzen not even be the pearl sandwich torp ship <:EssexShock:6181476708670504...
Probably can but that should be the only way, it's probably better to use Ancho and Harbin with her in the middle instead because Jintsuu's skill that gives DR against shells to the vanguard only works with DD/CL
whole salmon
It is faster than EN but it isn't too fast
valid oxide
Probably can but that should be the only way, it's probably better to use Ancho ...
So I can run ancho unzen harb with milf then?
whole salmon
It's not like they would have meta integration in like a day or 2
But they would be done in like a month
fickle echo
So I can run ancho unzen harb with milf then?
Yes
whole salmon
While on EN is really slow
Like really really slow
Like how Mafia is still used despite Zoomer comp already surpassing it in mid 2022
valid oxide
It honestly surprises me how much I see mafia and it's derivatives
fickle echo
TFW I wasted time and resources on the wrong purple META DD
whole salmon
Musash's release killed Mafia for good but you don't start to see Musashi until like late 2022 and early 2023
valid oxide
Brb I'm gonna do event stages so I can get unzen
ocean quest
she has some slashing attack 🤔 does it also clear torps
neon bronze
it does, fron looking at it
ocean quest
its for 60s every 3s
ocean quest
ye
neon bronze
wait, who
ocean quest
skill 1 from hunter
whole salmon
Does it?
ocean quest
no clue
whole salmon
Tho we still have to consider the slash pattern
fickle echo
<@885491156438355980> Test
3s is too late, by the time her barrage procs the torps are gone already and her barrage only hits the front of her
whole salmon
Ahh
ocean quest
oh bad area
fickle echo
She doesn't even survive
whole salmon
stable dawn
hidden robin
that's 24% extra dmg she received there lol
fickle echo
@neat sigil I think I found the counter to the counter, freaking Peter can stop the vanguard far from the torps and make it easier for Seydlitz/NJ to kill them
Sorry wrong ping
@whole salmon
neon bronze
whole salmon
But Peter’s proc rate is mbruh
neon bronze
peter is pepega
fickle echo
But Peter’s proc rate is mbruh
Her slow to the vanguard is 100% though
whole salmon
The slow is fair
fickle echo
As long it's on the defense it's enough it works sometimes to caught people off guard
neon bronze
kekw
ocean quest
ark royale tech
whole salmon
Wait
If Little E doesn’t have Fortune M
It isn’t rock paper scissors
Equilibrium is ruined
neon bronze
it's a nuke against cities
neon bronze
i will tell my guildmates to beat up jintsuu meta
stable dawn
ocean quest
at that point just use Agir or Implacable
isnt implacable short duration
ocean quest
do we need a freeze specifically tho
stable dawn
idk this is probably going to get countered by something ridiculous like West Virginia retro by tomorrow
neon bronze
2s slow, 2s freeze, then 2s slow
ocean quest
pvp like yugioh
whole salmon
Meta hasn’t been this shook ever since Musashi got released
Actually, it seems more shook than when Musashi was added
By tomorrow someone might already counter Fortune Meta
neon bronze
true...
whole salmon
The pvp meta is like in a phase where it doesn’t know what to do with itself as people try to experiment
neon bronze
just swap ancho out for jintsuu meta,
whole salmon
It doesn’t seem like it would settle down any time soon
whole salmon
just swap ancho out for jintsuu meta,
1 small change of Jintsuu Meta already caused so much chaos
neon bronze
poggers
ocean quest
vv aquila musashi
jintm shima duca
no manjuu?
neon bronze
nj
stable dawn
Where’s Manjuu
on helena
stable dawn
neon bronze
well enjoy dyeing iguess
stable dawn
not if my opponent dies first
you have to remember vv gets pseudo preload with 3 Italians
so we run
460mm on VV
rng one shot the enemy vg or a random backliner
at the beginning of the fight
whole salmon
The last big shook to pvp was with Concealment Mechanic
It killed triple BB comps for a while
stable dawn
inb4 everyone forgets kear exists due to jintm hype and she becomes sleeper OP like MSN was
whole salmon
I mean it is as expected
The only thing that is stopping triple torp is Fortune M
coral wren
The enemy ships kept dying to torps <:EssexWheeze:1113921620277461033>
Gonna guess they didn’t build their team correctly
I don’t like how people put two healers on a team…
ocean quest
wha
coral wren
Juneau is suppose to use to stall long enough so the 3 in the back uses their greatest attacks
ocean quest
where 2 healers
coral wren
So many do it and they never win against my hard ambush comp
I see a lot use Vittorio/Aquila/Duca
ocean quest
im not sure someone with all oathed ships and proper comps would run a fighter.....
plus the guy wouldnt have posted it if it was vs an absolute meme comp
coral wren
I don’t really see the use of having Juneau and Aquila on the same comp
ocean quest
they're different ships??
whole salmon
If Juneau isn’t there, the team would have died faster
coral wren
That’s why I said Juneau is enough
whole salmon
Juneau is not enough
coral wren
I’m saying there’s better to use than Aquila
ocean quest
whole salmon
ocean quest
what other preload cvs are better than aquila
whole salmon
Juneau isn’t going to save you from any of this
Juneau doesn’t even die fast enough to save you
Whether it is a Juneau or an Aquila, it doesn’t matter
Against triple torp, all ships are paper
fickle echo
I just did some tests on EX and for some weird reason the "slashing barrage" from Fortune META works as a slash
coral wren
what other preload cvs are better than aquila
You don’t need. I’ve seen some teams kick ass with fdg instead of Aquila in place
fickle echo
But Hunter META has a skill saying the same thing but it doesn't have the slash effect
coral wren
Dunno I never lost to a Juneau/Aquila comp
ancient raptor
So?
whole salmon
So?
ocean quest
what are you running
whole salmon
Doesn’t make Ari’s testing any less valid
Whether Aquila is there or not, it doesn’t matter
coral wren
Vanguard-Musashi-NJ
Anchorage-Shima-Harbin
coral wren
Is that a new test?
whole salmon
Why would you bother asking
You already said you would wait for guide
So our recommendation is already void
serene epoch
that was close
fickle echo
Plasma destroyed in seconds
whole salmon
Plasma destroyed in seconds <:EssexWheeze:1113921620277461033>
And to think this isn’t even max limit break Jintsuu M
ocean quest
has anyone tested triple bb with jintsuu meta instead of ancho
would it be turbo cope
steel coral
not enough
steel coral
serene epoch
Upgrades
odd stratus
Meta jintsuu looks good to have then
serene epoch
how big difference in scores must be for +9?
edit: it is 1
neon bronze
how big difference in scores must be for +9?
edit: it is 1 <:PortDoll:5855852411...
1 lower than yours
serene epoch
1 lower than yours
Yeah, already figured out, but it is aotn anyway, was luckier with next opponents
neon bronze
gaming
brazen socket
kearsarge rld too low for pvp tbh
brazen socket
They are but musashi has a rld buff
steel coral
y'all slow 
oblique silo
It's surprisingly easy lol
No Musashi or Harbin. Not surprised it was easy
scenic tendon
Was thinking about something like Hiryuu, Musashi and Amagi backline
Just use Tamaki
whole salmon
No Musashi or Harbin. Not surprised it was easy
A lot of Kearsarge NJ no Musashi comp copium went around in this channel already so perhaps they wanted to test whether Kear can stand on par with Musashi or not
flint python
full meta ships comp when
lusty hill
jintsuu meta gonna break pvp the same way like yakuza broke pvp
whole salmon
Well wel well
@stable dawn Triple torp + Fortune comp
Musashi NJ Hiryuu, JIntsuu M Shimakaze Fortune M
Wtf is even happening at this point
The counter has been countered
Mbruh
whole salmon
Watch as another counter fleet arrives
neon bronze
95% wr against what?
serene epoch
basically raising 2 META ships
whole salmon
95 agaisnt triple torp, 97 against MSN
Basically it takes the concept of torp meme but as Fortune Meta as the 3rd ship
neon bronze
hiryuu still relevant after all these years
ocean quest
its over time to raise fortune meta
whole salmon
And switched back in Musashi instead of Vanguard
Legit what is even happening
=> Introduce torp meme to counter standard comp
=> Uses Fortune to counter Torp meme
=> Integrate Fortune into Torp meme to counter both torp meme and standard comp
whole salmon
It went from “Let’s use Fortune Meta to counter torp meme” to “Let’s use Fortune Meta with torp meme”
steel coral
maybe I can finally put my 2 +13 oxytorps to good use
neon bronze
my dreams of +13 bb and cv auxiliaries
yet again pushed away
sigh. Time to put more work on gold aux plates
flint python
ocean quest
no manjuu autolose
ocean quest
i was getting worried
lusty hill
neon bronze
Wait I forgot don't have 2 plygun <:PortDoll:585585241142591535>, which one gets...
just get 2 plygun
valid oxide
I'm like 1/50 on plygun no.2 
neon bronze
nepgun or 155kai on musashi
plygun on jintsuu meta
valid oxide
nepgun or 155kai on musashi
plygun on jintsuu meta
Does 137 work for sushi
I have nepgun and 155kai too, so are they better than 137 for her?
neon bronze
Does 137 work for sushi
yes but 137 have 35 fp. compare to nepgun which has 45 fp
actually scratch the 155kai suggestion
fp good for secondary gun, 137 is good because it's accessible to most and is pretty good
hidden robin
137 is also good cuz’ it’s more likely to land hits, and also 360-degree rotation is useful when the vanguards drift behind
neon bronze
plygun does give the most fp and thus is the best for fp stat, and 68 range is what is needed to hit enemy frontline
but it has 115 degrees, so it might not be the best for when you lose frontline fight
nepgun is a downgrade to plygun
hidden robin
Man I need like 69 plyguns
nocturne zephyr
Could i use FdG or BiZwei in place of Musashi?
stable dawn
going to be honest, Musashi is irreplaceable in current meta
that's why you only see fleets not using her in T2 and below
granted, the meta is shifting again soon
some weirdos are running Vanguard, NJ, Hiryuu + torpmemes
ocean quest
the real plan was to get rid of musashi
stable dawn
or a proper counter arises for torpmemes and everyone uses that
Musashi goes back into the meta
ocean quest
naive rapids
<:Boisium:1024085529362436156>
Why fortune meta?
stable dawn
her barrage slash deletes torpedoes
naive rapids
Basically a niche ship?
naive rapids
nocturne zephyr
going to be honest, Musashi is irreplaceable in current meta
that's why you only...
IU don't have her or I obviously wouldn't want to use another ship in place of her
Don't have vanguard either
stable dawn
just use Fake HYMEN
ocean quest
just gotta cope without her
nocturne zephyr
just gotta cope without her
Which is what I'm doing and why I'm asking
ocean quest
or weeb surely you have +13 wyverns laying around
naive rapids
NJ Hiryuu FdG
Why hiryuu
stable dawn
15s of being unkillable
ocean quest
hiryuu is good because invulnerability instead of dying
whole salmon
Run torp meme
naive rapids
stable dawn
wish granted, but now you have a 50% chance to reset due to enemies also using torpmemes
whole salmon
Musashi is still top
Torp meme is still in experimental phase
It won’t stabilize until like a few weeks to a month from now
stable dawn
I think a lot of players are going to use it because it's easy and dirt cheap
but realistically counter fleets are going to outshine it for baggers like us
nocturne zephyr
Don't have Hiryuu yet
serene epoch
Man already preparing to counter
ocean quest
torp cheap?
wheres my blacktorps
serene epoch
Would say blacks are cheaper but Wyverns are less RNG
ocean quest
stable dawn
it's how torpmemes has always worked
hollow walrus
I've been stuck at like 11 prints for a week now
nocturne zephyr
I can work on obtaining Hiryuu for fake HYMEN if that's really the best option for me currently
whole salmon
Torp meme is also quite viable if you aren’t like a full veteran
You might win against comp stronger than yours with rng
serene epoch
just reset the fight until you win
No I meah RNG in part of farming shit to build
whole salmon
But that’s assuming you have the required gear
Farming black torp isn’t always the nicest experience
stable dawn
No I meah RNG in part of farming shit to build
gold plates are literally rng wdym
you have a small amount of guaranteed ones if you complete arbiters and buy from guild shop
but to really get the enhancements going you just need to C1 farm lol
serene epoch
gold plates are literally rng wdym
You have 20 guaranted per week and can choose some from arbiter
ocean quest
better than no guaranteed from WA
serene epoch
Less rng
hollow walrus
360 to +13 wyverns
ocean quest
10 minutes
whole salmon
I already moved since I cba
hollow walrus
That's months of rng
serene epoch
No one moving on list
hollow walrus
At best 1 wyvern takes 2-3 months of gold plates
ocean quest
+2 set
hollow walrus
And like wyvern for +13 is like the least priority plane to +13
stable dawn
yeah literally only useful in pvp lmao
hollow walrus
Even among rainbows, Tenrai and Skyraiders are bigger prio than Wyverns
nocturne zephyr
Okay, I'll go NJ/FdG/Impero then
stable dawn
at that point just use enty
ocean quest
do you have seyd
nocturne zephyr
Because you decided to just not respond
ocean quest
i didnt check
serene epoch
Mistakes are made, no turning back
hollow walrus
Run NJ/FdG/Warkai
hollow walrus
Your best bet is Hiryuu
stable dawn
also it's pvp time boyos
whole salmon
stable dawn
ocean quest
LMAO I thought I lost
nocturne zephyr
There we go. I'm sure that was very difficult
valid oxide
Run NJ/FdG/Warkai <:BuckyPrideZoom:911042553221107714>
Warkai actually tolerable
ocean quest
had a low hp manjuu nj vs unrevealed aquila and after she revealed fight ended kinda soon and I thought manjuu ran out (but it never procced tho)
actual dumbass
greeding instead of resetting with 10 minutes for 1 fight
valid oxide
Warkai is also fragile enough that I could probably run pearl on her
serene epoch
Look at that afk bois 
hollow walrus
Warkai has always been the first to die for me when I was running warkai, nj, fdg
Decided fuck that and used Hiryuu instead
valid oxide
Warkai has always been the first to die for me when I was running warkai, nj, fd...
I was running warkai sushi hiryuu when I started PvP seriously
whole salmon
serene epoch
Look at that afk bois <:BelDisgust:1023947279499006022>
none of them moved in 9 hours
valid oxide
Also used noshiro instead of aya
valid oxide
Also used noshiro instead of aya
I was truly ahead of the meta 
nocturne zephyr
Anchorage/Jenaeu/Harbin good for vanguard? I lack Shimakaze
hollow walrus
Juneau off tank
ocean quest
none of them moved in 9 hours
well shit i havent had movers until 1h remaining today
nocturne zephyr
Harbin center?
hollow walrus
Harbin is the 2nd best replacement for Shima
nocturne zephyr
Is that so Jenaeu always dies first
nocturne zephyr
Yeah, I didn't say you did
stable dawn
@light crystal Thanks for giving me aotn
valid oxide
My Harbin always dies before Juneau
hollow walrus
If you put her middle, she's gonna die too late
stable dawn
ocean quest
nocturne zephyr
Thank you, that's my PvP sorted until I get Hiryuu
valid oxide
I'm too far behind everyone else to get AotN EoS
hollow walrus
You put her off tank and adjust her auxes so she dies not too late and not too early
hollow walrus
Manjuu pearl Juneau <:BuckyPrideZoom:911042553221107714>
Wait doesn't manjuu trigger along with Juneau skill
valid oxide
fleet will get owned no movespeed
Wrong
ocean quest
hollow walrus
Or does Juneau skill proc first, then manjuu once she's low a 2nd time
valid oxide
<:BuckyStare:588629690919550997>
I'm also gonna run rikka 5 boiler and the speed skill having fletcher class whoever that was
ocean quest
whole salmon
This reminds me of the Manjuu bug
hollow walrus
Oh wait Juneau skill is prio
whole salmon
Most people don’t know what it is but I remember it vividly
Read from here
A bug that duplicates Manjuu
hollow walrus
So Juneau dying - > Heal from skill - > Juneau dying second time - > Manjuu
stable dawn
RIP Juneau dupe
whole salmon
Double Manjuu bug back then was ridiculous
ocean quest
juneau copying technique
whole salmon
Stall comp potential increased rapidly
hollow walrus
You know we should get a non EU manjuu equivalent
whole salmon
We shouldn’t
hollow walrus
Have Musashi hold it
stable dawn
I'd actually quit
hollow walrus
Even without blacktorp, torp meme should be usable right.
valid oxide
New meta
Also needs a backline with beaver
Alternatively you can replace Juneau with le Terri double boiler for more speed
ocean quest
pearl hiryuu
stable dawn
her preload can kill the torpmemes
and she will die early anyway so might as well use pearl
valid oxide
Pearl anchorage
nocturne zephyr
Why does Jenaeu not want Tashkent Gun?
ocean quest
you can use it if you want
hollow walrus
New meta
Wouldn't Shima be better than Charles. Don't think 4% chance for 20% more speed would be better than flat 3 speed increase + Shima 6 more speed than Charles
nocturne zephyr
Is just that i have the french gun and 114mm DP, but they're +10 Vs Thaskent Gun which is +13
hollow walrus
It ultimately matters less what gun she has
ocean quest
you can use tash gun it will be helpful vs shimas/harbins/juneaus
light crystal
<@319995587644751872> Thanks for giving me aotn
Do u randomly ping everyone for that? sorta cringe ngl
serene epoch
Why is Pearl Tears also lowest prio?
I usually use pearl on shima
hollow walrus
Pearl goes on sandwich ship
nocturne zephyr
https://x94fujo6rpg.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/?AFLD=No4RgBgJgh2BOANADgKwQCwUR1YuJQBsJ2YyBYAzJRFRGDIgESwAmHAxgIa-M4BdRMFTx4DbGkzZc%2BbMVKJUTKLFr1G2VhzY8%2Bg4WDF15VTUprySRSQWTwYZaee3dYvNt35EBQkJDxYGQxHHDAwG0JSbCpUZGx0JxsXdl5uDi9EH2EMYyZ8RMIoYisbMhLEKgokhiZXNP1s4CwsekqQgngiSGwunpRIssRIZLrUhsyMX2HfAEIIADo4WahuOSI2IA
How's that?
nocturne zephyr
+10 Teatorps Vs +13 Quad Mags?
hollow walrus
Teatorps 100%
hollow walrus
I slapped uss mags on her and called it a day
Or was it teatorps no black torp. I think even without blacktorp teatorps would still be better than quad mags personally
nocturne zephyr
IC
I'll also craft a 406mk4 for NJ, and then eventually a second 457mm
Thanks a lot
hollow walrus
`https://x94fujo6rpg.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/?AFLD=No4RgBgJgh2BOANADgKwQCwUR1YuJ...
Also if you are using the fleet builder, there's an updated one
nocturne zephyr
BTW how do you guys manage your equipment for PvP. Do you just have lots of duplicate gear, or...
nocturne zephyr
Also if you are using the fleet builder, there's an updated one
Mind linking? I did notice this one was missing a few things
nocturne zephyr
Thanks a lot
serene epoch
https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/
would be cool if someone pin it
light crystal
And finally, Dev 30.
fickle echo
Aoste graduating from mafia?
brazen socket
And finally, Dev 30.
What in the mafia graduation
neon bronze
Mafioso becomes american scientist
lusty hill
I forgot to aotn yesterday and now I miss 2 sets of 100 merits
deft escarp
modern kestrel
Do the number of exercises carry over between each reset? Ex. If I stock up 10 exercises, and wait for pvp to reset, do I keep the 10 exercises?
brazen socket
Do the number of exercises carry over between each reset? Ex. If I stock up 10 e...
No
everyone will start with 5
whole salmon
You mean each season?
When new season starts, everything resets, including the number of tickets
trail temple
Been using on avrora and washy for a full season, had no issues with the meta at all. I expected it on Washy, Avrora was a surprise
Thought Famine would wall me
neon bronze
lusty hill
you have shimakaze
wicked surge
Been using on avrora and washy for a full season, had no issues with the meta at...
Wait where does that blue gun come from
neon bronze
Wait where does that blue gun come from
sakura section of gear lab
wicked surge
Cool
neon bronze
shimakaze's gun is craftable in the depot section > craft
trail temple
shimakaze's gun is craftable in the depot section > craft
You just need a quick blue gun for shima
neon bronze
ye
trail temple
Woops
neon bronze
either that or the 76mm
neon bronze
it's fine
wicked surge
shimakaze's gun is craftable in the depot section > craft
Wait ment Musashi gun lol
neon bronze
then sakura empire > bb gun section
wicked surge
then sakura empire > bb gun section
Still craft eh?
neon bronze
yes
wicked surge
Gotcha
valid oxide
Grey "new player"
fossil arch
Where can i find list of players in top pvp at the end of season?
neon bronze
Where can i find list of players in top pvp at the end of season?
there is a pvp server (hint: invite is in the pinned pvp document) that records the top 10 players of a given season
neon bronze
!!!
neon bronze
Why move so late
tried to snipe someone
the wifi was being silly and bam, "server maintenance"
whole salmon
Should have played it safe
late heath
light crystal
Is there a recommended kit for Kearsarge for PvP? I'm thinking Beaver/HPFCR, STAAG. But not sure for the weapons, the gun and the plane. For gun I'm thinking 457 for now, but 406mk7 might also be useable. For Plane, not sure if you want DMG, or just faster takeoff speed to synch with something (So Saucer, HVAR Hellcat, or even F4U).
neon bronze
mk4, flapjack, staag, hsfcr, beaver is what i would run if i had her by now
light crystal
Mk4, you mean 457, rigt?
neon bronze
neon bronze
assuming 3 bb, yes. kearsarge is super slow compared to the other bb options
light crystal
neon bronze
though my opinion.
ofc, can test it out for yourself. can't really tell since i don't have a kearsarge that is even close to dev30
light crystal
I think even with that gun, NJ will always be shooting first tbh
Well, I'll see when I have her at 125/200
Oathed just now, so gotta grind that 100 Affection.
And I do it the ol fashioned way 
neon bronze
serene epoch
Oathed just now, so gotta grind that 100 Affection.
Why hms plane she do need uss one, no?
neon bronze
relevant skill
serene epoch
Well uss or soviet but do we even have soviet planes for that slot?
trail temple
Oathed just now, so gotta grind that 100 Affection.
What's the logic behind the Sea Hornet?
light crystal
What's the logic behind the Sea Hornet?
None, for pvp was gonna use USN
serene epoch
So just desynch for pve?
Good
trail temple
None, for pvp was gonna use USN
hidden robin
I haven't paid much notice yet but can the vanguards dodge the rockets?
oblique silo
<@684633607704412170> any opinions on Kear so far?
For me she does around NJ damage but can spot and has stronger buffs
Her planes always spot CVs
She’s basically a NJ + Aquila
I tested against kaho and aldarn and she did really well
valid oxide
For me she does around NJ damage but can spot and has stronger buffs
Her planes...
What backline have you been running her with?
neon bronze
For me she does around NJ damage but can spot and has stronger buffs
Her planes...
What's the gear on Kearsarge?
oblique silo
What's the gear on Kearsarge?
457/pancake/staag/radar/beaver
oblique silo
What backline have you been running her with?
Musashi and NJ
neon bronze
457/pancake/staag/radar/beaver
so it's the same as what i've said... but not the main gun
valid oxide
I'm assuming she needs to be with NJ to be at her best, no?
oblique silo
so it's the same as what i've said... but not the main gun
Either that or mk4
neon bronze
big dub, i don't need to raise anything substantial for backline
frontline... big orders.
valid oxide
Still need to raise 2 meta ships 
oblique silo
I'm assuming she needs to be with NJ to be at her best, no?
You’d run both because both are top tier
But NJ does give Kearsarge DR and more AA which is nice
valid oxide
Kear gets her own DR too right?
oblique silo
Kear gets her own DR too right?
Yes. 20% against all FP based damage
oblique silo
frontline... big orders.
I use Anchorage/Shima/Harbin for frontline
valid oxide
Does NJ and kear DR stack additively or multiplicatively against FP scaled damage
neon bronze
I use Anchorage/Shima/Harbin for frontline
2 black torps + 1 or 2 oxytorp for torpmeme...
just need one more blacktorp print to get harbin to intended gearing
valid oxide
My torp meme isn't as good
Actually it's not full torp meme
What would the torp + fortune meta fleet be called 
neon bronze
META torpmeme
valid oxide
Also drek gun > unzen gun right?
oblique silo
Does NJ and kear DR stack additively or multiplicatively against FP scaled damag...
Pretty sure DR is multiplicative besides torp DR
valid oxide
But generic DR + torp DR would be multiplicative right?
valid oxide
Also it's normal for NJ to be my first backline to die right?
serene epoch
Also drek gun > unzen gun right?
Why? 
hidden robin
Also drek gun > unzen gun right?
try Unzen gun, it could be interesting
it has tighter spread and wider rotation angle.
flint python
can someone try meeb with fortune meta
valid oxide
who else is in your team
I'm running milf with ancho + harb + Juneau
Actually wait no, im running hymen now I forgot
Wait no I'm not im mixing things up again
honest moon
Between yakuza and mafia, which is a better offensive comp?.
zenith lantern
Yakuza but better than mafia isn't exactly a high bar
honest moon
So veneto buff not as significant?
lusty hill
mafia but replace veneto with musashi
honest moon
mafia but replace veneto with musashi
^bruh, thats yakuza. Which was what i was comparing with mafia
tacit fox
flandregud
lusty hill
French
neon bronze
French <:MutsukiHyperStare:588629678017871872>
Sorry for your loss 😔
light crystal
fossil arch
Guys, i have done all the matches and the result is still nearly 40 point behind, can I know some tricks, methods?
whole salmon
You sandbag
Basically getting bonus through point difference
Actually
@fossil arch Start reading from here
fossil arch
I see
fossil arch
<@799321632199933972> Start reading from here
So i was overlapping this season
Sometimes i still leave 3/10 before new set
scenic tendon
Bro really came here
I can give you some sort of explainations tho
Feel free to ask
whole salmon
So i was overlapping this season
Usually you would leave 5/10 before a new set
Since it doesn't let you overcap while you maximize your point difference
You rush everything on the last day of the season
You have to wait for your opponents to move and get bonus
scenic tendon
You also need to memorize opponents who can give you bonuses. Personally, I have a spreadsheet noting players in my server.
light crystal
Guys, i have done all the matches and the result is still nearly 40 point behind...
Fuck, the best I could've gotten was 2590, had a 9. I knew I was behind Booger since mid week anyway, I was hoping he'd crush and burn
scenic tendon
ocean quest
biggest point gain is early season
stable dawn
Fuck, the best I could've gotten was 2590, had a 9. I knew I was behind Booger s...
your prayers went unanswered and ended up killing Lightscape instead
he was 2582 at 1/10 and then didn't finish
light crystal
your prayers went unanswered and ended up killing Lightscape instead
You're, uh, booger arent u
fossil arch
They literally fight before 5 mins left
light crystal
scenic tendon
Yeah, to minimize the chance of getting players who are lower ranked than you.
light crystal
||how many ratingers are on discord||
ocean quest
you can have a scuffed fleet like me no problem
light crystal
stable dawn
light crystal
anywho, i was close. for one in half a year.
scenic tendon
They literally fight before 5 mins left
I remember you were struggling aganist a 19k fp main fleet. It was not a good sign to climb for the top. Just get a better fleet.
light crystal
i actually didnt sleep throguh any sets!
scenic tendon
Or fight early
light crystal
you got 2589 though
he only needed to eat an 8 and a 9, and i wouldve won by getting 2589 first, or a single 8 and me gotten that one 10
scenic tendon
he only needed to eat an 8 and a 9, and i wouldve won by getting 2589 first, or ...
Name 5 most feared opponents in Washy
trail temple
If Borgar fell for Famine tech, he might have even dropped a match
light crystal
Name 5 most feared opponents in Washy
uhh, ratinger and lightscape ig
scenic tendon
Avoid Ratinger and lightscape
whole salmon
I might already start using Fortune Meta early at only level 100 for the memes @stable dawn
scenic tendon
trail temple
Name 5 most feared opponents in Washy
Counting past players too?
scenic tendon
For now, right now.
fossil arch
I see that Aoste fought before season ended within 3 mins right. You came out of nowhere and that top 1 did his excercise when 1 mins left
whole salmon
Past Washington had quite a lot of strong players
But it became washed in the most recent 2 or so years
hollow walrus
Washed-ington
whole salmon
Lexington also lost a bunch of people
stable dawn
Name 5 most feared opponents in Washy
sleep, slumber, napping, work, comas
stable dawn
😔
scenic tendon
I see that Aoste fought before season ended within 3 mins right. You came out of...
Yeah, we do our pvping pretty late. The reason is what I said.
🐒
stable dawn
Yeah, we do our pvping pretty late. The reason is what I said.
you're not even a washy player
scenic tendon
Soon
ocean quest
dont let em know
light crystal
this is outdated, he recently had a second finish himself 🥈 
stable dawn
trail temple
Vice was our biggets lost
He saw the light, and is now with the cunnies
stable dawn
this is outdated, he recently had a second finish himself 🥈 <:EmileHmm:59247774...
Don't worry I built a car using my 2nds
whole salmon
I'm using Fortune Meta early despite not being fully raised
Since it is early season ig it is fine
I switched out Vanguard for Musashi
So Standard HYMEN set up with double torp fortune front
scenic tendon
There are 2 Grid comps in Sandy
And that are the top 2 most feared fleets in Sandy (for me).
whole salmon
3 days are left until mlb Jintsuu Meta right