pvp

[brazen socket]

Probably some on very unlucky rolls, but you'd probably most likely be expecting some good nukes since you have 5 torps shitting out

You get at most 7 torps off, 5 from preload 2 from jintsuu invul and skill, if your frontline survives good enough you can get 9 torps off with unzen

But thats assuming you run unzen, harbin and her are interchangable as far as i'm aware

[stable dawn]

I remember when Musashi came out, Kaine and I just ran triple BB with her from the getgo

good times

[fickle echo]

I just speedran Meeb and it was done 1 week after she came out

[whole salmon]

Yeah, we had the speed skill leveling event

[brazen socket]

Wonder why we didnt get one this time around

Would've been nice

[fickle echo]

Because no new server

Fast skill leveling was meant for new servers

The last time we got one was when LE launched

[flint python]

they should do it every UR event smh

[stable dawn]

just make books work like they do with META ships

and let the classroom generate books instead of being a massive time sink

[neon bronze]

time gate

[serene epoch]

And what to do with paid classroom slots?

I doubt they will chagnge classrooms ever

[stable dawn]

book generation multiplier obvs

[serene epoch]

p2w

[flint python]

they can lessen the time

[stable dawn]

oaths already give 12% stat boost

[flint python]

so no big change

[stable dawn]

game is alr p2w

[flint python]

and give quick finish during events

[serene epoch]

not p2w enough

[flint python]

oath give 12?

%

[serene epoch]

I would like to see higher daily challenges tho.
Lvl 120 or so

[junior trench]

So Owari, does she do anything for PvP? As in, is she similar to Tamaki in that regard?

[flint python]

so oath gives 6%

[whole salmon]

She doesn’t really do anything for pvp tbh

[junior trench]

I see

[thin rivet]

what's the actual name of this gear?

[ocean quest]

click on name for wiki link

[thin rivet]

oh nice, didn't realize that was a thing

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-baltimore-valleyball-winner-nice-try-gif-20010670

basketball

[sour dagger]

Used the advice here and made this squad

Tried to put all the gear matching the spreadsheet, think shima still has the rainbiw torp

Never used the blackfeather or the magic manju paper thing before

[stable dawn]

13k gems

[lusty hill]

[wheat rose]

lol this emote is haunted

[winged depot]

[brazen socket]

Need the server / image for this

[neon bronze]

the server invite in the pvp sheet docu

it has the emote you seek

[brazen socket]

Thank You

[deft escarp]

[neon bronze]

[whole salmon]

Seems like new CN testings are available

Time to check again

2 vids this time, Jintsuu Meta Shimakaze Jintsuu Kai

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Qh4y1h7tm/

This is it on defense, I’ll send offense vid later

Win rate of MSN with teaty active against Triple torp is 75-77%

[whole salmon]

Without treaty, the win rate could go as low as 50%

He also said that torpedo enhancement should be optimized for more stable win rate

[neon bronze]

That might have been a slow vg he has

[whole salmon]

No

His frontline is optimized

[neon bronze]

?

[whole salmon]

Boiler kicks Ancho, boiler Juneau

More than enough speed

This is the dude that popularized MSN and is the main contributor of CN wiki

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1r84y1S7LJ/

Now to the offense side

Triple torp has a 93-97% wr against MSN

[neon bronze]

bruh

[whole salmon]

More specifically

JIntsuu Meta Shimakaze Jintsuu kai is 93%

Jintsuu Meta Shimakaze Noshiro is 97%

Jintsuu Meta Shimakaze Unzen is 90%

The testing was done with a non mlb Jintsuu Meta

and no +13 oxygen torpedo

And he did a sample size of 180 runs

[stable dawn]

did his opponent's MSN have WNT

[whole salmon]

He seems to have tested both Musashi Treaty Mid and Shinano Treaty Mid

[neon bronze]

why rafff use nj vanguard hiryuu retro

[whole salmon]

Both didn’t yield high results

[whole salmon]

This is of Musashi treat mid on offense

Only 75% wr

Without Musashi treaty mid, Wr could drop to around 50%

[stable dawn]

wait on MSN attack they still run tank Juneau even though they have WNT flag

[whole salmon]

Vanguard to buff Triple torp damage probably

NJ is there because she’s NJ

[neon bronze]

Vanguard buff should be universal right? Thought that buff only applied to BB.

[whole salmon]

But he used Hiryuu over Musashi

[whole salmon]

The 10% is universal yes

[neon bronze]

No one else to slot Manjuu in

[stable dawn]

bruh those CN test strats tho
disable wifi to see how the fight ends

[neon bronze]

airplane mode tech

[flint python]

no sample of Jintsuu meta Shima Harbin?

[stable dawn]

I'm halfway through first vid now and witnessing a Juneau outlive the entire vanguard = loss

wirbel + bulge moment

[neon bronze]

irl subject discussion ×
new pvp meta discourse /

So. Torpmeme is back?

[whole salmon]

Imagine doing that for 360 times

💀

180 times for each vid

[stable dawn]

~1m per exercise
6 hours of suffering

[whole salmon]

Tbf to him, if he has that level of willpower

Then that’s some damn good willpower

Cus I would have stopped after like 15

And do it another day

[stable dawn]

I finished first vid, my take is that their MSN loadout is scuffed due to tanky Juneau

it literally cost them well over half the losses lmao

[whole salmon]

I’m still more interested in his Noshiro vid that might be released than this

[stable dawn]

what I do find interesting so far is that Jintsuu meta dies pretty early leaving a solo shima

[whole salmon]

Tho it is interesting that Jintsuu Meta is already that effective evn without maxlb

[stable dawn]

ofc this will change when she is max LB

[whole salmon]

It won’t change much, Jintsuu Meta’s job is still to die

[stable dawn]

then in that case

[whole salmon]

But she might survive a but longer

At mlb

[stable dawn]

I think MSN can be modified to counter this comp pretty well

[whole salmon]

We still don’t know if it is the final form of the triple torp yet

[stable dawn]

We just keep tank Juneau but move her to main tank position

[whole salmon]

Since it could also be slapped onto a triple BB comp

If anything, it simply shows the potential of a different frontline position

And that’s exciting

[stable dawn]

inb4

[whole salmon]

You might even be able to run Anchorage double torp

[stable dawn]

manjuu Juneau makes a comeback

[flint python]

inb4 non retro manjuu juneau

[stable dawn]

like the good ol' days

[whole salmon]

I’m still wondering why the Hiryuu is there

[stable dawn]

hiryuu is op guys

[whole salmon]

Perhaps he just wants another invul ship due to triple torp frontline being paper

[stable dawn]

she beat shinano like 5x in that video

def not due to Juneau mistimings

[whole salmon]

But he could have used Musashi instead

He doesn't seem finished tho

[flint python]

I'm using triple invul back

[stable dawn]

time to watch 2nd vid

[whole salmon]

He hasn't tested Harbin yet

Tho we have to excuse him

[flint python]

works great when your torp meme melts after preload

[whole salmon]

The dude is doing 180 tests per day at this point

He still has Naganami to test

Proper vid with Noshiro

Then testings with Harbin

Perhaps even Ayanami or Naganami

Then Anchorage double torp comps

Then different backline options

Dude gonna be locked in the testing dungeon for a month

Mhm it has been 3 years since I used you huh

Didn’t even have skills maxed

[stable dawn]

on attack I think current aggro triple BB is stronger by a significant margin

I do suspect what's going to happen is that a lot of aggro players may just drop ancho for jintM because it's fast

[whole salmon]

triple BB triple torp

[stable dawn]

but winrates may remain similar

[whole salmon]

Maximum damage

[stable dawn]

assassin players smh

[whole salmon]

Jintsuu Meta really was the game changer huh

[stable dawn]

0 defenses
all dps

[whole salmon]

The fight is decided in the first 5 seconds

[stable dawn]

literally lmao

[whole salmon]

And people asked for this

People said Anchorage cringe

Now we have to deal with triple torp

[stable dawn]

oh my torp rng was bad? Guess I'll retry the fight

[whole salmon]

[deft escarp]

Bruh I still don't have her lol

I remember grinding chapter 10 just to get her during the height of torp meme

[stable dawn]

I mean dealing with her doesn't look hard

we just have to evolve

[whole salmon]

Wait like a month and we get triple torp counter fleet

[stable dawn]

if anything it might be even easier

[whole salmon]

then we return to equilibrium

[deft escarp]

Back when Nagato/Hiryuu/Shinano+Noshiro/Naganami/Jintsuu was running around

[whole salmon]

With 2 fleets being top meta

[deft escarp]

I haven't grinded the game in a while

[whole salmon]

like with every pvp meta shift, there has always been 2

[stable dawn]

because triple torp dies faster than an enemy ancho

[deft escarp]

So I'm assfcked for JintsuuM

[whole salmon]

Use Noshiro instead

Or Harbin or Unzen

[deft escarp]

Wait

[whole salmon]

Noshiro and Jintsuu should provide similar enough buffs

[deft escarp]

I can still mlb JintsuuM so long as I have her right?

[whole salmon]

Same gear between Jintsuu and Noshiro as well

Jintsuu Meta and Shimakaze are still necessary

[stable dawn]

it's possible midrange triple BB remains king because it can handle both MSN and torpmeme comps and doesn't have 50s exercises like MSN

[whole salmon]

But the 3rd slot seems flexible

[deft escarp]

Iirc there was a shop that sold crystals for meta ships

[whole salmon]

Just do OPSI

You don't know when Jintsuu Meta would be in shop

[deft escarp]

I just want JintsuuM for future use

[whole salmon]

She might not even be meta anymore once she is in shop

So just grind OPSI smh

[deft escarp]

I haven't even played the game in like 3 months

[whole salmon]

Mbruh

You can still do Meta fights rn and get her

[deft escarp]

[whole salmon]

Just 28 days to get her MLB

At worst you run her at LB2

[deft escarp]

Lmao

I also need to play the game more

Mf Unzan left me at 14 cubes

[whole salmon]

Oh wait

We have automatic repeat already?

[deft escarp]

e

Ye

[whole salmon]

That's nice

[stable dawn]

sounds like neither of you have played the game recently

[neon bronze]

will we get maint tomorrow?

[whole salmon]

I did play

I just didn't notice

[stable dawn]

[deft escarp]

I've been swamped playing Magia Record, Aaknuts and MGQ Paradox

[whole salmon]

MGQ lmao

based game

[deft escarp]

I spent 130h playing it after having bought just over a week ago

And about 60h was spent grinding job exp for LoC

[neon bronze]

Ok. We getting maint. Hope we get only 6 hours to add skins

[deft escarp]

I'm downloading a mod for the sake of just unlocking all jobs for my chars because it's gonna take me till the end of time to unlock those

[flint python]

[chilly canopy]

How should I equip unzen?

[torpid shuttle]

pretty unique compared to gph question

just auxes and torp change tho

[stable dawn]

higher up loadout

[neon bronze]

True...

[whole salmon]

Why hold back

Full damage

+13 oxygen torpedo

[lusty hill]

I fought someone with higher rank than me but I got +9 why is that

[neon bronze]

speed and shit. Can't have Unzen in a wheelchair while the other ships are given Lamborghini engines and chassis

[unreal leaf]

can I just use Unzen instead Harbin/Noshiro for MSN fleet?

once skills maxed ofc :D

[stable dawn]

maybe, that's actually something I was planning on testing later

main issue is unzen is slow

like really slow

even with the self speed boost skill

but in theory ancho - unzen - juneau should be good for MSN

just have to figure out the right setup

[whole salmon]

If no Shima

Pearl would be put on Unzen or Juneau

And most likely Unzen

So that takes up a slot

[stable dawn]

[flint python]

pearl kicks unzen

rip black dildo, you will be missed

[neon bronze]

Manjuu Boiler Ancho will now be recommended gear

[flint python]

kicks boiler

manjuu obv goes on nj

[neon bronze]

i'm not boomer enough to have 2 kicks

please give us 2nd kicks

[valid oxide]

In the second core shop trust

[serene epoch]

Ameno

[light crystal]

[flint python]

mafia

[valid oxide]

Apart from lack of blacktorp/teatorp combo on Harbin, is there anything fatally wrong with this that I've missed

[neon bronze]

musashi

[valid oxide]

What's fatally wrong with her then

[neon bronze]

oh i thought u didn't have her.

Swap beaver tp nj, sg radar on musashi

if you can afford it, oxytorp on harbin

[valid oxide]

I'm using the poverty oxytorp

[neon bronze]

juneau gun and torp options don't really matter much, but the ur dd gun has higher rate of fire than the duck gun you have on her.
can run that torp, teatorp or quint mag torp, not much difference imo. also beeg fleet power number (if you want)

with your fleet as it is, you can beat about 95% of amagi

[valid oxide]

Also would it be better than hymen which I was running before I got the 406mm

[neon bronze]

up to you

to find if 3 bb is fun to use compared to hymen

[valid oxide]

Also was this with the enhance levels shown in the screenshot?

[neon bronze]

yeah

might have some resets here and there but it'll do in a pinch

[valid oxide]

I had forgotten that enhance levels were important here's the actual enhance levels

[neon bronze]

sure. can do

just need better enhancements for your gears

[valid oxide]

Oh yeah 457 or 406 +13 first?

[coral wren]

You don’t have Shimakaze?

[valid oxide]

No

Else why would I be using harb in her place

[coral wren]

Ah ya… good thing her rerun is this year. You could actually replace Juneau and go with an assault fleet Harbin-Shima-Anchorage. I run that instead and mostly use the gear guide from here and beat so many Juneau fleets still

[valid oxide]

I'm at 0 cubes with no unzen and only like 7 pulls from pity

I'd rather get unzen than save and potentially not get shima either

[coral wren]

Ya idk when the rerun is… hopefully closer to the end of the year so people can save who don’t have her. Since this banner dried a lot of people out of their cubes

[valid oxide]

We still have a new UR in December btw

[neon bronze]

What i'm running atm

[coral wren]

Guess vanguard beats fdg now. Gotta change her in

I run Harbin instead of Juneau

[neon bronze]

best fleet according to quyet

[coral wren]

Must’ve just been newly suggested

[neon bronze]

Since musashi released iirc

[whole salmon]

It’s not new

[coral wren]

Idk been easily beating vanguard in other peoples fleets and just looked at the guide a few times yesterday and the other day. Didn’t see the new added info of tier Q

[neon bronze]

poggers

[flint python]

I'm running Nj Vanguard Aql triple torp

[stable dawn]

Tier Q

[coral wren]

I was looking at the guide to change some gear and didn’t see tier Q till today. May not have been new but the guide just added it

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

3 bb isn't favored in defense fleets Part of the reason why 3 bb is good on attack is that the 3 bbs can help kill opponent vg with 68-70 range secondaries

Those same secondaries can't really reach your vg when 3 bb is defense

[coral wren]

Ya imma just test her in fdg place and see if I’ll get good results

[whole salmon]

Plasma tested triple BB while I tested MSN

All the way back in September of last year

It isn’t new at all

[coral wren]

It may not be new but it’s new in the guide

[neon bronze]

gun dmg and bulk, fdg
high aa stat + general buff, vanguard

[stable dawn]

It was in the guide for months

[coral wren]

Tier Q wasn’t in there till recent

[neon bronze]

it was in t0, then tQ

[stable dawn]

Who is Quyet?

[coral wren]

Ah they changed it to pretty much it’s better

[hollow walrus]

[neon bronze]

[flint python]

[neon bronze]

i enjoy the higher fleet power running Vanguard than running FdG

[whole salmon]

2 minutes 30 seconds

That’s how long I did 5 matches with triple torp

Holy hell

This feeling is coming back

[coral wren]

Idk I’m just gonna see if my WR stays the same with vanguard instead of fdg

[whole salmon]

The feeling of triple torp cancer

[valid oxide]

Is that JiM shima and unzen?

[whole salmon]

Noshiro, not Unzen

My Unzen still need 2 more rotations to get skill level 10

But the last slot then any torp ship would do

[stable dawn]

remember to use double mk4s for NJ and Vanguard

[heavy wasp]

Yo is this the right sub if you want some guidance on making your pvp team ? Can you help me create my team ?

[whole salmon]

Jintsuu Kai, Noshiro, Unzen, even Harbin

[stable dawn]

[valid oxide]

Does unzen look to have promise though?

[stable dawn]

check the pinned sheet by SaltyArrow

[whole salmon]

Not exactly a standout tbh

Jintsuu Meta and Shimakaze are still necessary for this comp

The last slot is flexible

Nothing suggests Unzen is particularly special compared to the other torp ships tbh

[stable dawn]

she's thicc

[heavy wasp]

Saw just wanted for an opinion on the right kind of ship I should us in my inventory for the perfect team

[valid oxide]

In standard comps does unzen have a place then

[stable dawn]

whatever you have, I guess.

[whole salmon]

Standard comp then depends on the other’s testings

[valid oxide]

Even if it is just torp vanguard #1-million

[whole salmon]

I’m not responsible for that side

Not the best start

[heavy wasp]

I have these aswell :

[stable dawn]

honestly, just use pvp for exp then

[whole salmon]

That doesn’t mean much either

[stable dawn]

the guide is for players that just want to score high on the leaderboard

[valid oxide]

Or for merit

[heavy wasp]

Xp is not rly a problem I like 10K book for xp

[valid oxide]

Because scoring higher is more merit gain

[stable dawn]

Get your best ships to 125

like Musashi

[heavy wasp]

I just dont want to get stuck on every comp when I do exercice lol

[flint python]

jintM Shima unzen/harbin is my last slot

[stable dawn]

levels are everything

[valid oxide]

Is there any hull modifiers for BBVs?

[heavy wasp]

I thought of this for the rear : Musashi / Shinano and either Uni or Amagi

[valid oxide]

I'd place warkai > uni

[heavy wasp]

warkai ?

[valid oxide]

Warspite retrofit

[heavy wasp]

Okay thx !

[neon bronze]

musashi - hiryuu retrofit/shinano - warkai (fdg can be used at fs3+)

anchorage (dev10+) - shimakaze (she'll rerun this year iirc, get her) - juneau

[valid oxide]

Sushi hiryuu warkai was what I used first when I actually started caring about pvp

I can vouch that it's semi-decent

[heavy wasp]

I will try to get shimakaze but I have no clue when she will drop again

[neon bronze]

holding the urge to recommend meeb fleet

[valid oxide]

She was confirmed to rerun this year

[neon bronze]

shimakaze might drop inbetween this UR event and December UR event

[valid oxide]

We also get a new UR in December iirc

[heavy wasp]

I heard that specialized bulin were kinda broken for pvp

[neon bronze]

We might even get her 1 week after Unzen

The same way we got NJ rerun 1 week after BisZwei

[valid oxide]

We better fucking not

I'm gonna have to hit pity for unzen TwT

[whole salmon]

I’m glad I stopped having cube problems starting from 3 years ago

[neon bronze]

TRUE...

[whole salmon]

I started having gold problems instead

[valid oxide]

My cube problems were solved until unzen event where I get them drained

[neon bronze]

dw on light reruns there's those build tickets you can use

[winged depot]

gib chips

[whole salmon]

The thing that drained my cubes wasn’t the event

But instead PR research

I used to stay at 1.5k but PR research and Unzen dropped it down to 700 ish

Still in the safe zone tho

[winged depot]

I have cog problems

[flint python]

im on 680

[valid oxide]

I have too many coggies

[flint python]

i got unzen fast

but natori wont come

[valid oxide]

Natori is only Eva tech anyway

[winged depot]

this event was my fastest one yet

70 pulls to get everybody

[valid oxide]

My fastest event was a tie between sushi and BZ

Because I only want the UR and I got both in 2 pulls

[coral wren]

Ya totally dig vanguard more wish I’d discover her to be better than fdg months ago

[coral wren]

Ya natori wont come home either but I’m not gonna waste more cubes on her. Totally was done with the banner after getting Owari/Unzen. Paid for Hatsuzuki in shop

[reef sedge]

@flint python was 1 warning not enough?

cease with the weird loli stuff entirely

[neon bronze]

gaming

[flint python]

oooh

you are weird

[deft escarp]

[fickle echo]

I tested Jintsuu META for fun and...
||First thing first, Jintsuu META>Anchorage
If you haven't reach that conclusion then this video is not for you||
||https://youtu.be/0D8C9oMKkqs?si=CtB0g3FD-X7Vmcb4||

[ocean quest]

what's the gear you're running

[stable dawn]

smh didn't use CN airplane mode tech

[fickle echo]

I'm not gonna edit the video to cut every time I do it or leave it without cuts and expose how bad my internet is

[stable dawn]

[steel coral]

I wanna see JintsuuM vs Mafia

[whole salmon]

The damage is quite bonkers

I tested it as well earlier today even tho Jintsuu Meta is only level 122

[flint python]

try aql instead of hiryuu

what I'm testing atm

[whole salmon]

This might not even be the final form of this comp

If people start running torp bulge then that's just more slots not dedicated to speed

And it currently doesn't resolve the issue of backliners getting crippled

[flint python]

yeah we can see rockets come into play

[coral wren]

Unless the guide tells me that JintsuM is better than anchorage gonna keep my fleet

[whole salmon]

There's a reason why we already testing Jintsuu Meta even tho she's only at limit break 2

She's simply just that good

Preparing beforehand doesn't hurt since Jintsuu Meta can easily be slotted into any position and can function well

Doesn't like Jintsuu meta in triple torp? Run Anchorage with Jintsuu Meta middle as substitute for Shimakaze

Already has Shimakaze? Run Jintsuu Meta off tank

Jintsuu Meta is simply a ship you can slot anywhere

[coral wren]

I haven’t lost a match since last season so far

[whole salmon]

And I haven't lost a match in 2 years

[coral wren]

Just only replaced fdg with vanguard

[flint python]

if people start running buldges then I'll test 818 and Seydlitz nuke. Them having slower speed makes 818 a bit more consistent

[coral wren]

But I always reach top 10 after my 5 matches or usual top 100

[whole salmon]

The meta would reach equilibrium eventually once people make counters

But that doesn't matter since we can make counter to their counter

Anchorage main stay in a comp has been broken and that's exciting

[fickle echo]

4d chess

[whole salmon]

It is like the whole Seydlitz Agir comp to counter Weeb fleets

A counter would always exist somewhere

[steel coral]

reason I initially thought seyd instead of hiryuu is she could help clean up after preload spam while still having some invuln insurance

[coral wren]

Sometimes a really good built Juneau fleet would defeat me but it ends very close

[whole salmon]

That is also valid, the issue is that it requires 1 KMS

And we don't know Felix can fill that role or not

[steel coral]

leipzig tank torps

[whole salmon]

Smh

[flint python]

you can do seyd bisko 2 nj on def but yeah no cv

[ocean quest]

how farm blacktorps faster

[fickle echo]

Hiryuu is better than Seydlitz because if you go with 3BB and lose the vanguard fight with the enemy Shinano still alive your ships might die before she reveals herself

[whole salmon]

The balance of Mafia and Weeb was broken with the existence of Zoomer and Seydlitz fleets. So the current balance of MSN, Yakuza and triple BB, JIntsuu Meta is just going to throw that entire balance out of the window

First meta shift in a year

Before Kearsarge is even relevant

[steel coral]

Vanguard/Luna/Seyd

trust

[coral wren]

Ya I always thought Hiryuu was better. She’s always the last standing in the fleet

[whole salmon]

Just pop 2x and farm

If not then you can still cope with 2

But you still need at least 2

[flint python]

oh yeah kearsarge lol

[whole salmon]

The last one then you might be able to get away with USS torp and 2 oxygen torpedo

[flint python]

I heard she can spot

nj kear vanguard

[whole salmon]

Her spotting capabilities not even be relevant anymore

Now that Shinano is clapped

[ocean quest]

48 tickets for 6 prints for 2nd copy

[fickle echo]

Manjuu Kear replacing Hiryuu and NJ

[whole salmon]

If I recall

A way to counter triple torp back then was Yukikaze

Due to backline protection

And you can use the luck skill to dodge torp wave

Noshiro is also a good pick for triple torp as well as a triple torp counter

So there are still ways you can play around it

[fickle echo]

You're forgetting something

[whole salmon]

Mafia?

[fickle echo]

It's not just triple torp...

It's 3 ships doing torp spam, 7x torps if Harbin doesn't die right away

Not even WNT can hold that much torps

[whole salmon]

Tho it is a high investment comp

New players won't have easy access to black aux torp

Or the enhancement for those

So it might be strong fleet but not necessarily one we would recommend to newcomers

[fickle echo]

Assuming they hit

[whole salmon]

There might be some ways you can cope like with a magnetic torp main

Then 2x oxy torp

But that would require more plates

[whole salmon]

[neon bronze]

Wait. Ppl considering running Marco Polo?

[flint python]

nard is a higher up not a regular people

[buoyant parrot]

what's Musashi Optimal Gear Set?

[whole salmon]

Swotch Rudder out for Beaver if no one else in your fleet is using it

[buoyant parrot]

ohh okay

im on tripple BB so 410mm is okay right?

[lusty hill]

blue gun is faster

[buoyant parrot]

noted

for Bisko is this okay or Purple gun is better?

[tacit fox]

New tech just dropped?

[buoyant parrot]

@candid sluice thanks for keeping the Azur Lane PvP EN Guide updated from time to time

been away from this section for so long

until I got my ass walled this morning, it hit me. I must wall harder.

[candid sluice]

credit goes to @trail temple and @stable dawn im just a fossil nowadays

[buoyant parrot]

Oh, Thanks :D

credit is where credit is due

[stable dawn]

[buoyant parrot]

thanks mate, keep it up. We oldies can't do that anymore

I'm retired from PvP but that doesn't mean I'm retired from Walling

[candid sluice]

👴

[spare venture]

i wonder who use unzen in pvp and how she performs

[buoyant parrot]

that's actually the team that walled me

Anchorage, Shimakaze, Unzen

or maybe I was dreaming but im sure its Hammel

[flint python]

btw why is goldburn optimal on jintsuu meta in spreadsheet

[trail temple]

Likely

[stable dawn]

preliminary gearing ideas. We'll update them as time goes on.

[whole salmon]

Gearing depends on the type of comp

The gear used in torp meme is ofc not optimized for standard comp usage

[stable dawn]

CN used it, so it must be optimal

[neon bronze]

meta usually take time to stabilize, right?

[whole salmon]

Yes

Whenever a new comp is introduced

It will take a while for people to start switching

And an even longer time for counter comps to pop up

This may take a month up to a few months

[stable dawn]

the comps are usually created in the first few days though

[whole salmon]

Yeah comps are started really early

[stable dawn]

and then promptly ignored until they become counters

[whole salmon]

Just that for it to spread, it will take a while

[stable dawn]

like MSN existed since Musashi release but only got popular later as a Yakuza counter

[whole salmon]

Sometimes, the best way to get it to spread it is to wall people

If they lose to it, they will likely go to Discord

Ask why that comp is no longer top tier

Even tho they haven't read any guides since months ago

Then is forced to switch

[stable dawn]

guys is mafia still good???

[whole salmon]

At which point, a new comp is introduced which invalidate the previous one

[stable dawn]

inb4 torpmemes brings back mafia because they counter torps

[whole salmon]

Seydlitz Agir comp popped up as a Weeb counter fleet

Then Weeb immediately died afterwards

Due to Musashi's release

Therefore, the purpose of Seydlitz Agir comp became kinda irrelevant

And died before it got to even spread

[stable dawn]

just like percy warkai

[whole salmon]

Yeah there was an era before Mafia

After Italian's release but before NJ

During which time, IJN supremecy was still spreading so no one bothered with it

Then when NJ came out, people started the switch

But the switch is only fully complete around like 3 months after Anchorage's release

At which point, Weeb fleets already started popping up as a reliable counter to Mafia

[winged depot]

the lore thickens

[whole salmon]

A similar case might happen currently as well

Jintsuu Meta and Unzen are stimulous added to Pvp to shake things up

But people might take a long time to switch

At which point, the December's UR might already introduce a new style of comp which makes triple torp less effective

[stable dawn]

inb4 Italian UR with torp immunity skill

[winged depot]

UR CL next

trust

[stable dawn]

duca 2

[whole salmon]

Meta switches does happen very often

However stuff rarely stabilizes in time

But luckily, from September of last year to this year, pvp stayed relatively consistent with minimal changes

So people had a chance to catch up

[stable dawn]

so what do we even call that weird CN comp anyway

NJ - VG - Hiryuu

[whole salmon]

Big 3 Navy?

Wait that doesn’t work

[stable dawn]

is it even good though

like why not use HYMEN

[whole salmon]

Only relevant with triple torp frontline

Vanguard is there as a damage buffer for the torps

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

NJ is there cus manjuu needs to go on someone

The last slot depends

Can be Hiryuu, might even be Musashi

[stable dawn]

so they just use hiryuu because

[whole salmon]

Because they need a CV ig

[neon bronze]

final counter maybe

[whole salmon]

There are theories

Hiryuu could be there as a soft counter against triple torp itself as well

Since Final Counter would sort of save her from enemy triple torp if necessary

[winged depot]

Call it AMEN

[stable dawn]

obvs we use gridman to counter triple torp

[stable dawn]

Where do the A and M come from

[neon bronze]

m for manjuu nj

[winged depot]

AMEN cause you need to pray to not be one shot

[stable dawn]

inb4 it's better with kear

[whole salmon]

DRs is in a sadge state

Well research ships in general

[stable dawn]

inb4 kear power crept by Dec UR

[whole salmon]

Because the time required for them to be integrated and spread in pvp is quite a long time

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

Like Harbin also took a while

And she’s only a PR

Research ships are harder to popularize due to the time required for people to max them

FDG took like 1.5 years to get integrated

And tbf the devs kinda did rush PRs in the earlier seasons on EN

[neon bronze]

at least FdG can now be coined

[winged depot]

[late heath]

wait til UR Kashino

[steel coral]

just you wait

[fickle echo]

818 Aquila btw

[neon bronze]

oh i see, actually goated

[flint python]

I'd say nj vg aql > hiryuu for now since not many are using torp meme

[serene epoch]

Personally I prefer to not have preloaded airstrike so my BBs can snipe def BBs

[flint python]

revealing cv will help your torps actually home in tho

[serene epoch]

But torps do home without revealing, no?

Oh, actually I'm not sure now

[trail temple]

No, they track unrevealed ships

[lusty hill]

Armpit meta

[serene epoch]

No Ibuki

[brazen socket]

the higher ups are hiding too much tech from us

we need to break into HQ.

[serene epoch]

1968-1898=70
must be +12 right?

[neon bronze]

71 score difference to eat a +12 point

[serene epoch]

fine, I just ate two +11
can deal with no +12 this time

[lusty hill]

I keep getting multiple +9 even though I didn't fight lower rank than me, I wonder if it's a bug or I just misread the rank

[buoyant parrot]

well shit, this is the real deal Meta

[whole salmon]

If you click finish match too quickly, the number displayed would be 9 instead of 10. However the points added would still be 10

It is just a display thing, doesn't affect what you actually gained

And if it did affect what you actually gained, you probably misread the rank

[fickle echo]

And they changed it at the same time as they brought torp memes back from the dead

@stable dawn#0#0 Do you think this is all part of a plan to get rid of pvp?

[stable dawn]

always has been

[whole salmon]

Moment before disaster

True triple torp experience

Now this is nostalgia flooding back

[valid oxide]

So should I raise a triple torp team?

Also what backline would it like

[whole salmon]

Tbh, unless you have the equipments ready, don’t bother fully investing in it

There’s still other fleets that can achieve similar effectiveness for less cost

If you don’t have any black torps then you should still farm for them to get 2-3

But by the time you get 3, another fleet might be meta instead

If you already have 2 black torps then yeah just farm the last one then go for it

[hidden robin]

why does that sound like "in the end we should farm nothing at all"...

[stable dawn]

use it before everyone else does

free wins

[ocean quest]

they're quite free regardless

thank u attacker advantage

[hidden robin]

meanwhile I think defenders have more advantage

[ocean quest]

hmm, you got some point

[fickle echo]

Are you from Reddit?

https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/z5pdpt/i_think_that_exercises_might_actually_be_harder/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[hidden robin]

I did read reddit stuff but that's not me

I have all OP and meta ships to test so after all testing I just went "fuck defender advantage"

then I stopped min maxing for pvp

[deft escarp]

No

[stable dawn]

defender advantage???

[whole salmon]

Otherwise known as skill issue

[hidden robin]

poor that OP for all of the comments on that post be like "IDGAF about exercise"....

[wind orbit]

my god the comments in that thread are so cringe

[brazen socket]

Its literally reddit, in all aspects and modes it's a fucking joke

It fails in lore, it fails in gameplay advice it fails in pvp

[autumn quest]

Am i stucked to always suffer until i get musashi ?

[stable dawn]

Use Vanguard, Musashi, and Yorktown II

meta comp

[autumn quest]

Ig i try pvp when i get sashi

[valid oxide]

Pvp is ""doable"" without sushi

[serene epoch]

Well you can try "Fake HYMEN" fleet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BewmBsf4EWKAf_UwYax05c7ksL51y6sjs96pIwD73Jc/edit#gid=1356744907&range=B457:D457

[ocean quest]

mafia

[autumn quest]

That's what i used when i needed some points to buy duke but i dont see it getting me to R1 or T10 so i'll wait for either musashi rerun or an actual good alternative and not a bottom T2 fleet

[ocean quest]

anything can get you to aotn

all depends how serious you are about it

[serene epoch]

Or how fast you use your attempts, and how blessed by opponents rng you got
Last season I overcapped by 5 and lost 3 (or more idk) but still got aotn

[winged depot]

I have gotten aotn with just vanguard as my UR last year, and the meta was like Mafia

[serene epoch]

mafia is not hard.
Triple bb goes brr against them

[winged depot]

have you ever tried fighting it with just vg as the sole UR though

[serene epoch]

what was 2 other ships?

[winged depot]

warspite and percy

takes me like 6 resets to win against a not built mafia

[serene epoch]

it was before seydlitz release?

[winged depot]

of course

[serene epoch]

oh ok, but still why percy not hiryuu kai?

that might be easier with her and wnt

[winged depot]

I did not get her till like very late

didn't stay chapter 3 for long

was just a casual

only till musashi release did I played this game mode normally

lol

[serene epoch]

[brazen socket]

vanguards event was right after seyds though

[serene epoch]

[honest moon]

My shina is launching airstrike of doom at 04:35... is there anything wrong?

Running MSN comp

[neon bronze]

Gear issue, what is she running atm?

[honest moon]

Wyvern tenrai wyvern

[neon bronze]

there it is

wyvern suisei 12a wyvern

that is generic shinano loadout

[honest moon]

Swop out tenrai? Interesting

[neon bronze]

Yes

Speed is king, whether in gear timings and movement

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/EH_YxzAxyvM?si=RWfJWXQw8802iUDR

Time to defeat the higher ups and their Yakuza fleets

[stable dawn]

The yakuza conspiracy is over???

[fickle echo]

The true conspiracy was the Vanguard conspiracy

[stable dawn]

next you'll be telling me bisko is good

[fickle echo]

Now we finally got the four horsemen of the pvp techs in one fleet

• Manjuu NJ
• Shima t0
• Anchorageless
• Vanguard good

[brazen socket]

Was abt to ask why nj then manjuu

[stable dawn]

you forgot gunless tech

[fickle echo]

It only works with KMS ships

[stable dawn]

kms once again booted out of the meta

[fickle echo]

The end is near, he's coming back soon ™

I wanna test Jintsuu against triple BB but I still need to find a fleet that isn't using the 460mm Musashi and/or MK7 NJ tech

[neon bronze]

unfortunately Lexington has learned the Sandy 3 bb tech

[stable dawn]

Sandyfication????

[deft escarp]

[neon bronze]

[lusty hill]

no more newbie bullying

[whole salmon]

Isn’t it still newbie bullying as newbies don’t have 45 pieces for 3 black aux torp

Assuming you have 60 tickets stored, 4 more per day

And randomness of the drop rate

It might still take you like 3-5 weeks to get it

Then 360 gold aux plates to enhance those

And additional 720 gold plates for 2 oxygen torpedo

And you are looking at a 1080 gold plate investment

And still requires Shimakaze

[brazen socket]

Jesus fuck this requires so much investment

I need to craft 2 more teatorps and farm up 2 more black torps

[whole salmon]

Not to mention this comp still requires NJ and Vanguard as event ships

[brazen socket]

Literally unhealthy unless you're a mega boomer

[whole salmon]

The last slot is flexible so not a huge bother

But the heavy investment still comes from gear

[brazen socket]

Yeah, gear is the parf im most fucked about

[whole salmon]

Instead of the burden being placed on Shinano planes, now it is placed on frontline gear

[brazen socket]

Inb4 we find some tech that can somehow include shinano

[whole salmon]

I mean

Even without black aux torp

You can still cope running the USS Magnetic torp from the tech tree

[brazen socket]

Pass

[whole salmon]

Which means instead of running black torp, you would run another oxy torp in that slot

[neon bronze]

@whole salmon bruh all the balck torp need +13 enhance?

[brazen socket]

I'd rather be stuck in black torp hell

[whole salmon]

So instead of “farming for black torp + 1080 plate investment”, you can cope for “no need to farm + 1800 plate investment”

The choice is yours

[brazen socket]

1800 plate investment
Excuse me?

[whole salmon]

5 x oxy torp

[brazen socket]

Oh ew.

[whole salmon]

Or you can cope with less ofc

[brazen socket]

I'll take my chances and farm

[whole salmon]

It would work for most cases but it isn’t optimized

[brazen socket]

My WA keys collecting dust anyways

[whole salmon]

That’s the thing about torp meme comps

Either you have high enough damage or your frontline dies to enemy Aquila

[brazen socket]

Does WNT do anything useful to make torps deal less or is it just delaying the inevitable

[whole salmon]

Unzen currently can’t even survive to fire the second torp salvo at 19 seconds or whatever

[whole salmon]

It should help

But it isn’t a permanent fix

I mean

[brazen socket]

Man wheres that next collection update in which they add a gear that fucks up torpedo damage

[whole salmon]

[whole salmon]

I mean whether the Manjuu is on the NJ or on the Ancho

Doubt it changes the outcome

A counter fleet would eventually pop up but that’s for the future to decide

[brazen socket]

Do we have any ships that could be used to cook

Theres mafia but like

Harbin

[whole salmon]

Littorio

[brazen socket]

LMAO

[whole salmon]

“After battle starts, deploys 2 shields that can each block up to 1 (2) enemy torpedoes around this ship and the Lead Ship of the Escort Fleet.”

Go ahead and cook

[brazen socket]

cough

maybe we could be cooking with marco polo

She has damage reduc and torp shield but downside is its frontline

[whole salmon]

Tho she needs to block backline as well

[brazen socket]

Yeah

[whole salmon]

Frontline isn’t the only concern when the enemy cripples your Musashi 5 seconds into the round

Also from what I noticed, Ancho’s shield isn’t a perfect fit even for Ancho anymore

[brazen socket]

Next few events will most likely be the devs trying to damage control pvp torp meta

[whole salmon]

Due to these torps coming in many waves, Ancho’s shield could be procc-ed, invul for 2 sec, Ancho dies immediately to next wave

Although this is rare, it did happen on a few occasions

Ari also noticed Jintsuu Meta’s torp has backline target lock for some reason

Ari liked Jintsuu Meta so much that he whaled for more exp books

[fickle echo]

From my last fights I think it isn't necessarily backline target it more like single ship target, so if there's no vanguard to be targeted her barrage goes into a straight line from her to some backline

But when the vanguard is still alive the torps follow some direction probably targeting the place the vanguard was before

But sometimes she still aims at backline ships even if the vanguard is still alive

[steel coral]

don't ancho and juneau do same thing with their torp barrages?

[fickle echo]

I think so but the barrage I'm talking about is the one that procs when she dies so it uses her equipped torps instead

It's 10 teatorps going into a straight line to a backline that can't move to dodge them

The damage is an entire world higher than Ancho's or Juneau's barrage

[fickle echo]

I just found another Jintsuu META user, the same guy with the current strongest Tamaki fleet

After some fights I feel like Jintsuu M is closer to replace Ancho instead of becoming the 3rd ship

[brazen socket]

I knew it since day 1 jintsuu meta was gonna be meta defining

[neon bronze]

oh wtf

i had to speedrun my maths to see what's cooking

fuck it i guess, i'll damn my gold aux plates for 2 more black torps

At least I already have 3 teatorps ready, i like those guys

[flint python]

why not just 2 black torp +13 instead of black torp 13 + oxy 13

tho you need to farm more black torps

[neon bronze]

i want to one shot metas w/ 3 cvs

instead there's a new priority orders

:kekwinside:

[whole salmon]

Well this certainly is an issue

Pvp sure is mbruh this season

[flint python]

noshi better than unzen?

or harbin

[whole salmon]

People are already testing Harbin

So I went for Noshiro instead since no one is running it

[winged depot]

midseason

[whole salmon]

3rd slot on frontline isn’t decided yet

Current contenders are Harbin, Noshiro, Jintsuu Kai, Unzen

[flint python]

I place bet on harb cos smoke

[whole salmon]

We might look into Ayanami but that is for another time

[flint python]

tho I like unzen gamba

[whole salmon]

Why tank, just attack

[flint python]

she does attack smoke is bonus

[whole salmon]

You can never have enough attack

[flint python]

can help secure 2nd torp wave at 20s

[whole salmon]

Doesn’t matter if you already won on the first

[flint python]

what if you missed

reset gaming

[whole salmon]

Retry

[flint python]

[whole salmon]

That’s how torp meme works

[flint python]

stall self new meta

[whole salmon]

You can finish 5 fights in under 2-3 minutes

[neon bronze]

torpmeme so strong now that even ancho is now moot?

[whole salmon]

Ancho is still more recommended for newer players

Due to her effectiveness even with lack of investment in gear

[neon bronze]

damn. Previous torpmeme got hard countered by ancho?

[flint python]

ancho will be more dead if bug still works after jintm limitbreak lol

[whole salmon]

Previous torp meme is only 3 torp buffers

Noshiro Naganami Jintsuu

Without an actual torp damage dealer

And it already wreck havoc in pvp

This time we have 2 UR torp damage dealers and Harbin to back it up

[neon bronze]

pepeg

fair

[whole salmon]

The torp meme of back then is just 3 torp supporters

1 wave each, 3 waves total

Now it is 7 waves guaranteed

If you stall to 20 sec you might get another 2-3 waves off

[flint python]

+1 from naganami 10s in

[whole salmon]

Naganami likely dies before then

I mean if she dies then you likely lost the fight

So might as well reset

[whole salmon]

I mean I definitely didn’t want torp meme back

But apparently some people her has been very vocal about Ancho

Banning Ancho in pvp or Ancho being too strong that it is a guaranteed win

Well now we brought back the cancer

[flint python]

would be great if jintsuu kai buff works after death

crit stonk

[whole salmon]

CN seems to have came up with a temporary counter comp to triple torp

Musashi NJ VV, Ancho Yukikaze Juneau

VV has 20% torp damage reduction to all ships

Yukikaze has flagship protection

Ancho Yuki Juneau can also tank extremely well

However, the guy noted that this is only a temporary fix and isn’t capable of fully stopping triple torp

[stable dawn]

why not bring back duca

[whole salmon]

He said the issue isn’t the frontline, it is the backline

Even with that much protection, he noted Musashi is still often crippled and is still 1 shotted on occassions

[neon bronze]

Inb4 new event ships to counter triple torp

[whole salmon]

There’s still around 3 months until next UR

Plenty of time for triple torp to wreck havoc

[brazen socket]

why not nj flagship with manjuu and musashi off flag

[whole salmon]

You need WNT

You would suffer more without treaty

[brazen socket]

Ah

[stable dawn]

or maybe NArd tech will finally work

SoDak

[brazen socket]

if only sodaks base kit wasnt shit

I mean her defense skill is pretty great

the thing is shes... hindered by her red skill

[stable dawn]

NJ Sodak Kear

winnable

[nocturne zephyr]

I assume Yuudachi Kai is no use in PvP?

[stable dawn]

she's good if you have nothing better

[hollow walrus]

Would Poi be better than Ayaya?

[hidden robin]

try Poi

but I think both would sink pretty fast

[sour oasis]

Always was.
||The real cheat is why torpedoes were that effective in the first place: the defending vanguard is so close to your backline that their torpedoes can drift past your frontline before the homing kicks in, potentially wiping one, two, or (at least twice for me) three of your backline ships. Good luck on offense Anchorage.||

[neon bronze]

||Bruh. That's like actual missiles to someone's house. That's busted.||

Now it's back in spades

[neon bronze]

just got Jintsuu META now, going to farm both OpSi and Aurora Noctis D1. Wifi just came back

[neon bronze]

now just coping if my wifi gonna go out again. Data connection sucks

[whole salmon]

Well well well

Just when the day of torp meme meta was coming

Our CN overlords saved us again

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1T94y1W7MS/?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0

A ship that no one here has brought up but somehow is the best counter

Fortune Meta

Guess no one saw that coming

[stable dawn]

damn torpmemes is dead before it even began

[whole salmon]

The thing is that likely no one here has a Fortune Meta raised

[whole salmon]

It ended being a rock paper scissors situation

[ocean quest]

just swipe it under the rug and let torpmemes prosper

[whole salmon]

Fortune Meta comp counters Triple torp

Triple torp counters standard comp

Standard comp counters Fortune Meta comp

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

Equilibrium