pvp

[whole salmon]

Since I used triple torp back then

I already had some equipment and enhancement prepared

So if the switch does happen, at least ik I would transition over quickly

[neon bronze]

how's triple torp gears back in the day? wanna see it

[whole salmon]

Oxygen + Black Aux + MKIX Noshiro

Oxygen + Pearl + Quint Rainbow Naganami

Oxygen + Black Aux + MKIX JIntsuu

This was before Ancho's release

And before Manjuu's amd WNT's release

So your Azuma and your Juneau would basically get 1 shotted

[whole salmon]

MKIX can also be swapped out for Japanese Quad 610

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q67dLMv-WXk&t=10s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpBJh4IWENE&t=3s

There's some channels still have vids of it

The darkest days of AL pvp, there's no concept of survivability and every fight is just a DPS race

the old days where Tanikaze was regarded as a strong torp buffer

[neon bronze]

[honest moon]

In short: glass cannon comp

[whole salmon]

When triple torp was at its peak, it wasn't glass canon

Simply because no other comp has enough survivability to out stall and counter attack. At that point, both sides have equal chance of getting one shotted

But currently, it is an entirely different meta

[neon bronze]

not even other triple torp?

[whole salmon]

It doesn't necessarily out stall

Since both side would die

There's no counter attack happening like with a stall comp, it is just equal massive dump

[steel coral]

@flint python I'll just leave this here

[honest moon]

Triple quickshot plane triple torps

[whole salmon]

Scary comp

Also JIntsuu Meta

Since Jintsuu Kai can't buff CAs

That's also partially why Ibuki wasn't included in the torp meme comp back then

[coral wren]

why bong torps? because they go to the center because of the torp aux?

[steel coral]

same thing

[whole salmon]

[steel coral]

but yeah meant jintsuu meta

[whole salmon]

Noshiro works as well

In that comp

But since Jintsuu meta is newer, I'm more incline to test her out instead

[whole salmon]

backline snipes and tight pattern

[flint python]

man I miss the old water visual even more after watching those vids

[flint python]

hvar tech is crazy

[gritty quiver]

hows unzen looking as a potential shima substitute

[hidden robin]

try and see which one has better odd of survival

[gritty quiver]

i dont have shima and nobody has an unzen ready how am i supposed to test it

[hidden robin]

well i intend to give Unzen 1 washing machine + 1 rainbow torp

i'll see if she's better than my double-torp Shimakaze

[gritty quiver]

its not going to be fair if you dont skill unzen

[flint python]

why half ass it

all out or nothing

[brazen socket]

Why washing machine just slap black torp

Unzen lives a bit better than shimakaze anyways

[valid oxide]

I am missing unzen Percy and Aquila for this

Oh and shima

I'm truly so disadvantaged TwT

[whole salmon]

If you commit to triple torp

Don't half ass it

There's no such thing as survivability when running triple torp

[whole salmon]

no

Unzen doesn't compete for that slot

[valid oxide]

What if you don't have shima

Does she compete then

Wait I'm dumb

Nvm

[whole salmon]

If you don't have Shima then her re run is like in a few weeks' time

[valid oxide]

Who is a better sandwich torp between harb and jintM

[fickle echo]

"If you don't have a Shima just build one"

[hidden robin]

what if they fail Shima gacha again

[whole salmon]

Depends

On the last slot

[valid oxide]

I'm gonna fail shima gacha because unzen is being a bitch

[whole salmon]

So many questions about substitutes when the based answer is just "get them all"

JIntsuu Meta needs to fire torp first

[valid oxide]

My options are unzen(I hope) for aggro or Juneau for stall

[whole salmon]

So a Jintsuu Meta and Unzen as copium substitute still works

[valid oxide]

I still need to pray for gacha rng

[whole salmon]

Or you could even swap the Unzen out for a Harbin

As copium substitute

And it would still work

If you have high enough copium then any substitute would work

[fickle echo]

No one has Jintsuu or Unzen maxed yet so any discussion right now are about what works in theory

[whole salmon]

We have copium substitute for Yakuza and triple BB

That's called Mafia

[fickle echo]

PvP isn't a game mode where you can give all the other ships worse gear and compare then to the non maxed ship like some pretty good player would do

[hidden robin]

lol is that a copium way to evaluate non maxed ships??

[whole salmon]

Tho what I will say is that I am a bit excited

The last time I was this excited was with Gridman meme comp

Before the devs nerfed it into obilivion that is

It is possibly the first meta...meta ship

It has been like 3 years since meta ships were introduced and finally we have one that has potential for pvp

[fickle echo]

Unless CN complains about her and she gets nerfed just like DDGs were

[valid oxide]

DDGs got nerfed?

[whole salmon]

DDGs' survivability in pvp I think

[fickle echo]

Back then backline mode would get the same debuffs as normal DDs

[whole salmon]

Devs forgot that light armor + stupidly high evasion

Would lead to mbruh stuff

[fickle echo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745143627608752179/1128947358315597874/image.png

[whole salmon]

So yeah

[valid oxide]

Oh god

[whole salmon]

Light armor, damage reduction, evasion rate, high evasion stat

[fickle echo]

Now they even get their damage dealt reduced

[whole salmon]

Did they have concealment as well?

I forgot

[fickle echo]

Yes

[whole salmon]

Yeah

DDGs were just mbruh

[hidden robin]

pfft

[whole salmon]

Devs forgot that stacking evasion on DDGs just means that enemy BBs can't hit anything

Since people were mostly running AP as well

CVs hurt them fine tho

[hidden robin]

with all of those buff + concealment....

[whole salmon]

Crash damage ignores evasion

[valid oxide]

Crash is consistent it seems

[fickle echo]

I don't care much about the high evasion but before the nerf they could nuke vanguards at the start

[whole salmon]

But yeah the BBs were mbruh against them

[valid oxide]

Was it pre-ancho

[whole salmon]

Yeah Missiles and their consistent targetting

[fickle echo]

I remember one shooting Duca from full hp

[whole salmon]

Basically at the time

[fickle echo]

Ancho still took some damage too probably because missiles were faster than airstrikes

[whole salmon]

DDGs were preload BBs with high af anti light consistent damage

with CV concealment mechanic

high af evasion and DD level pvp buffs

[valid oxide]

They would've had super high hit stat too right?

[whole salmon]

yeah high hit too

they had DD hit stats

[hidden robin]

based Hit of 206

very bruh

then An Shan's skills multiply that by 1.25x

[fickle echo]

Nevermind, they weren't faster than Anchorage

But still 1 DDG was enough to nuke Duca

https://youtu.be/t1dvzsUn2-0?si=Pgt2U_hXbmqVT03v

[whole salmon]

Aside from Ancho

It's not like Smoke would do that much against 200 hit stat

[hidden robin]

they barely damaged An Shan lol

[tacit fox]

New tech just dropped?

[serene epoch]

wdym?

[gritty cove]

Pompeo tech

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[neon bronze]

neither
dd torper options are, shima, yukikaze, ayakai. in that order from best to worst comparable to other torp dds (might forgot some other)
they want black torp + pearls tears

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[hollow walrus]

teatorps

the quints in the RN gearlab

[neon bronze]

main torp options rn are:
Teatorps (gear lab) + Black Torp (Aurora Noctis WA D1)
USS Magtorps (gear lab) + oxytorp (core data shop)

Now that blacktorp is here. Teatorps are now accessible to all gamers

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[neon bronze]

Yes, black torps makes the first torp magnetic. The other torps after that won't be magnetic though

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[hollow walrus]

the spread of mag torps suck

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[neon bronze]

parallel torps, because of its pattern can hit the same ship. Basically killing a ship or two, and if not, cripple her

Meanwhile. Rainbow Quint mag. Yes it can hit a lot of ships, yet it rarely does kill or wound a ship the same way Parallel torps do.

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[whole salmon]

There’s 3 ways to set it up

Depending on the type of DD and comp

1/ Survivability DD: Hybrid or Tank build. Usually Pearl is placed on DD with the other being a Boiler

2/ Torp DD in Standard comp: Hybrid build, usually 1 black aux torp and pearl or boiler

3/ Torp DD in triple torp comp: full damage, black aux and oxygen torpedo

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[whole salmon]

Tea torps are necessary against comps with Anchorage

Since they ignore Anchorage entirely

And goes straight to the BBs in the backline

That’s the main selling point of them currently, they can potentially cripple or 1 shot a backliner

[flint python]

bruh 239 points away from next limitbreak

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[pine pollen]

bruh ur question is same as white guy against black guy

[winged depot]

as long as it has nj and musashi in it, you know where its going

[coral wren]

is musashi , vanguard , persus. bad main lane?

[flint python]

per sus?

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[coral wren]

persus

[serene epoch]

Yes it's like 1.5 ships instead of 3

[coral wren]

💀then what im supossed to use

[serene epoch]

Musashi, NJ + whatever third you like/have: FdG, Shinano, Seydlitz, Aquilla, Enty (if you man of my culture)

[neon bronze]

what's your roster. Post dock surely you have good ships to slot into a pvp fleet

[serene epoch]

Also Hiryuu. Forget about her

[flint python]

full ijn meta again when

inb4 haku fs gets preload

[coral wren]

not good for pvp tho

[hidden robin]

preload only if she had fighter

[flint python]

I mean

that's not too bad

[serene epoch]

Musashi, Enty, Seydlitz ig

[coral wren]

what abt vanguard?

[serene epoch]

You gonna restart for Lucky E proc tho, but it may work fine

[flint python]

musashi seydlitz vanguard

gotta win frontline fight tho since no cv for spotting

[coral wren]

i mean tbh my front line dies kinda easily

[serene epoch]

or this ye

[flint python]

you prob wanna grab ancho asap

[serene epoch]

It's natural — you dont have Ancho

She is must have to survive

[flint python]

do your meta fights as well jintsuu meta gud

[coral wren]

isnt warsprite retro better than seydliz tho?

[neon bronze]

No lol. Too little damage from Warkai

[coral wren]

damn

[flint python]

seydlitz is goated

[hollow walrus]

Seyd should have an IB partner to proc buff and preload tho right

[neon bronze]

you can use her without another bratwurst but then seyd will be a bit weaker

[hollow walrus]

at that point wouldn't using Warkai be better then if she doesn't have IB to proc?

[coral wren]

damn i shouldnt retro warsprite no bunnies now 💀

[flint python]

or be chad and use Amagi or SoDak

[hollow walrus]

Ig her invul skill edges her out over warkai right?

Or try the PoW meme instead

[thorny bridge]

why isn't plymouth used over harbin in the top fleet? for players without shimakaze

[ocean quest]

harbin smoke

[stable dawn]

ply also has no preload

[thorny bridge]

how about why she uses goldburn?

[brazen socket]

shes durable enough to be able to farm another salvo

goldburn gives an additional 35 rld for any vanguard ship used by it

plus 550 hp

[whole salmon]

I’m not really a Goldburn Harbin user

But from what people who do use it have said

The 35 extra reload may come in handy when trying to sync smoke

Ofc, the HP helps as well

[whole salmon]

And it isn’t just Plymouth, a lot of other Rainbows like Hakuryuu, Drake, Brest, Kronshtadt, Yorktown 2, or Implacable simply doesn’t work in pvp. Even copium Agir or Ulrich von Hutten aren’t as effective anymore

Or some that were formerly usable and stopped being good anymore like Azuma

Even the effectiveness of Bismarck Zwei is questioned in pvp

[thorny bridge]

yeah i can seee why those aren't really pvp relevant

[delicate mango]

Or use Mafia fleet that is still pvp relevant

[devout hearth]

So to clarify….these quintuple British torps from the gear lab + the black torps farmable from the aurora noctis war archives are the best torps for PvP?

And are those also the best torps to use for cruisers like the Unzen?

And the alternative option would be the mk35 American torps + rainbow oxy torps from the core shop?

[stable dawn]

yeah p much

the teatorps need black torp aux to be good though

mk35 is magnetic but has similar fire pattern in return for 1 less torp

[devout hearth]

Can you combine the black torps and oxy torps for a pure damage build?

[stable dawn]

yes but it's not recommended for obvious reasons

🪦

[devout hearth]

Thanks!

[ember parrot]

Can Unzen replace Duca?

[zenith lantern]

Seydlitz is so good it’s worth bringing an IB vanguard instead of Jarbin/Juneau to proc the FP buff. Agir works fine but Felix is where it’s at.

[umbral saddle]

bismark2 vs NJ who is better with sardegna set up?(vv, aquila, duca, shimakaze, anchorage)

[zenith lantern]

NJ, Bis2 isn’t good. But you’ll struggle still, Italian fleet is very outdated

[midnight stirrup]

I got the eagle union elite damage control, should I put it on juneau

or wait no it goes on anchor nvm

[gusty cipher]

I lost against this fleet with this fleet

why?

[thin summit]

…

[gusty cipher]

what's the problem? should be 12?

120?

@thin summit

i mean i literally own 99% of the fleets

this is the only fleet i've lost to for the past 3 months

[thin summit]

Uhh

Isnt she a rare? Not that rares cant be competitive

[ancient raptor]

Man, this is Juneau.

[gusty cipher]

what u mean Juneau is like giga meta

[thin summit]

But they outdamage you by a slight margin

[valid oxide]

Are you not aware of the prowess of Juneau Christ?

[thin summit]

??

Am i getting trolled

[stable dawn]

Juneau is bad, use Hardbin instead

[valid oxide]

Juneau is 25% heal upon death iirc

[river gale]

no, juneau is meta

[ancient raptor]

U are troll.

Lmao

[valid oxide]

And also has good AA

[gusty cipher]

are you trolling?

[ocean quest]

[gusty cipher]

literally go to the pinned doc file

my fleet is the top meta fleet

[thin summit]

[gusty cipher]

atleast on there

[ocean quest]

[thin summit]

Then that means someone found new meta

[gusty cipher]

unless you're saying it's not valid anymore and not up to date

[stable dawn]

yeah sheet is old, use Kearsarge instead

[gusty cipher]

i mean i don't have kear dev 30 yet

[ocean quest]

hvar kearsage

[valid oxide]

Kearsarge instead of who though

[stable dawn]

could use Musashi - NJ - Vanguard instead then

[uncut agate]

better to show your gearing

[stable dawn]

it's the proven #1 fleet on JP

[ocean quest]

[stable dawn]

according to world champion player Quyet Nguyen

[valid oxide]

but she isn't in the game yet

[ocean quest]

u probably just got rnged @gusty cipher

[valid oxide]

Rng beloved

[ocean quest]

looking at the screen op

[gusty cipher]

yeah that or they might have like 13 on every equipment i have not married juneau

[uncut agate]

Kaoru has a very optimised fleet, yes

[valid oxide]

I've beaten +13 equiped fleets before

[gusty cipher]

i have aswell

[valid oxide]

It's called reset before you lose

[stable dawn]

actually you're lexi right?

[gusty cipher]

i didn't look for 2 secs cuz i am so used to winning

yes

i am top 3 rn

[valid oxide]

Deathkt and his stupid 1 minute PvP Yakuza

[stable dawn]

[valid oxide]

I overcapped because of it once

Oh yeah I haven't given up on this season PvP yet

[gusty cipher]

only doing it for merit trying to limitbreak all the ships in the game

about to be done with iron blood

[valid oxide]

I'm gonna get EoS some day

[ocean quest]

is eos hard on amagi 🤔

[stable dawn]

very

[gusty cipher]

what's eos?

[valid oxide]

End of season

[gusty cipher]

and that means?

[stable dawn]

it's where dreams go to die

[valid oxide]

Also is amagi and lilE the only servers with real and not dead PvP scenes

[ancient raptor]

Being in top of scoreboard at end of season.

[gusty cipher]

like the place u get at the end of the season?

ah i see

lexi has dead pvp?

[stable dawn]

lil e ? Competitive???

[ocean quest]

[spiral owl]

lil e is a joke rn, eos is 2560 at best

but well it's growing slowly but surely so there's that, but top 5 is the same people every season

[valid oxide]

Isn't. Lil E. Pvp just churchofshimal
. . + new players

[spiral owl]

yup

The one good thing about lil e is that 5/6 meta units are easily obtainable, only one that is gacha locked is nj

[valid oxide]

What's current lilE meta then?

[spiral owl]

Hiryuu/Nj/Fdg Ancho/harbin/juneau

[stable dawn]

is essex viable on lil e

[spiral owl]

you can replace hiryuu for tamaki

[valid oxide]

I'm kinda tempted to go back to my lilE account

But also kinda tempted to go lexi

[stable dawn]

[spiral owl]

doubt it but well might be doable, like I said barely anyone is doing pvp properly so you'd only struggle again very few fleets

[valid oxide]

Only difference is I have no gacha URs on lilE and I have yk2 on lex

LilE tempts me for easier PvP but pve might be easier with yk2

[spiral owl]

pve is still a joke, 14-4 has been cleared like 3 months ago on lil e, only thing missing is harbiter one fleet

[whole salmon]

You can ask Kaoru himself

[whole salmon]

Juneau has been meta since day 1 of the game’s release

The only period where she wasn’t meta was during triple torp cancer Noshiro Naganami Jintsuu

[gusty cipher]

the person is in this disc?

[whole salmon]

He’s in Lexington’s main discord

His fleet is very optimized

You just got unlucky

[gusty cipher]

there's a lexington discord?

[whole salmon]

Just throw it up to a “it is what it is” situation

[gusty cipher]

where can i find it?

[whole salmon]

There’s a few people with strong fleets left on defense on Lexington

Just look out for Aldarn, Kaoru, Plasma

Sometimes Ari as well if he isn’t using test fleets as def

[gusty cipher]

should a defense and attack fleet be different?

[whole salmon]

Depends on you

Tbh it doesn’t really matter that much

[gusty cipher]

where can i find the link for discord? or u meant the channeL?

[whole salmon]

Kaoru is from PH so he’s asleep

But I can get his gear for you

Well, the most recent I could find is August 28th

[gusty cipher]

i mean i can just join the discord just wondering how ot get the link

[whole salmon]

Backline gear is the typical one

He didn’t post but you likely already know what it is

[whole salmon]

The main concern here is that he’s running 3x rainbow AA

And uses Quad Mag to specifically time the smoke and shield to counter Shinano

[gusty cipher]

but... what... about the disc? I'd like to join if there's a main lex discord

[whole salmon]

So the more you know

I need to ask permission from others

[whole salmon]

CN also has similar results

Which is why I’m doing testing on it as well

Ari didn’t like it as much since Vanguard is a bit paper

Which is consistent with my testings

But the winrate still remains reliable

[gusty cipher]

need anything that can help in persuading them?

[gusty cipher]

about the gun on shima i still don't know which is better the 76 mm aa or that one in the pic

[whole salmon]

It depends on who you ask

Realistically the difference is minimal

[gusty cipher]

and same with Ancho torps i have 550 mm twin

[whole salmon]

The 76 is faster but that blue gun has longer range

[gusty cipher]

also instead of the wheel i am using damage control thingy

[whole salmon]

So supposedly, according to testings done by other people, the long range leads to more reliable AOA proc

[gusty cipher]

is that worse than the eva wheel?

[whole salmon]

Since the 76 has shorter range and may delay in fire

Leading to AOA proc being slower than expected

Supposedly, according to testings done by third party

[whole salmon]

He runs Quad Torp specifically to stop Shinano

[whole salmon]

That’s why I noted it here

Against triple BB comps, Quad Mag wouldn’t be as effective

Which is why it isn’t used as often due to the popularity of Shinano declining

[gusty cipher]

i mean what is more popular the 550 is working for me rn

[whole salmon]

Kaoru uses Quad specifically to target MSN

And it seems effective

Also check DMs

[gusty cipher]

i guess that is why i lost against them

[whole salmon]

So I’m testing this for the time being while waiting for Unzen and Jintsuu Meta to finish

CN and JP both said it was reliable so ig I had to test it again

Vanguard is a bit paper as expected but win rate seems good

Also the gear used here was done by the dude that achieved 90% wr against MSN

[stable dawn]

ofc winrate is good, any well-geared attack fleet will have that

[torpid shuttle]

juneau hasnt procced yet

yet????

pretty funny run

i won

noshiro dmg carried

[valid oxide]

I have decided my second server for PvP shall me lilE

[whole salmon]

It is because Noshiro’s torp damage reduction may have made Juneau more tanky

[valid oxide]

(I got unzen on it )

[whole salmon]

In cases like these, replace Boiler with Gyro

[torpid shuttle]

juneau's perma 2gyro

[whole salmon]

Both gives speed but Juneau won’t get extra hp

[whole salmon]

Then that’s just rng happening

[zenith lantern]

It’s an MSN counter fleet is why. Vanguard + NJ + Juneau is ungodly amounts of AA Shinano is doing near nothing against that

[flint python]

[valid oxide]

What's it's consistency like

[flint python]

what's that

[fickle echo]

Consistency on torpmeme

[valid oxide]

Fair

So does unzen look somewhat promising then

[whole salmon]

Who knows

[neon bronze]

The torp choice on Ancho really counters MSN? On Amagi, the BBs are the bigger threat, at least for me. Skill issue

Can't counter Shinano if her Manjuu procs because of a single BB

[steel coral]

speed for BBs, ancho for CVs

[valid oxide]

Harbin for CVs

[valid oxide]

Does attacking someone with the same number of points give you base point gain or a -

[neon bronze]

base point gain

[valid oxide]

Thank you

[lusty hill]

[neon bronze]

just wait. Someone else will move

[sterile bobcat]

is this ok for shina

[lusty hill]

I think that's the standard gear

[sterile bobcat]

then why does she do no damage

Aquila felt way better, I'm wondering how msn is in t0

[trail temple]

You need to +13 her planes before you make that conclusion

[flint python]

also why bow?

[sterile bobcat]

I really doubt +13ing her planes or giving her scepter will change that much, but ig I'll try

[whole salmon]

There’s also the IJN ship requirement

Otherwise she wouldn’t get the buff

[stable dawn]

MSN is bad, use Triple BB with NJ, Musashi, Vanguard

it's the #1 fleet comp now according to legendary JP pvper, Quyet Nguyen

[craggy cliff]

But whenever I use triple bb I get fcked by the concealment thingy

[stable dawn]

trust quyet

[sterile bobcat]

I'm running her with musashi and ayanami, that's enough to activate the buff right?

[sterile bobcat]

I did actually try triple BB it's solid but I still don't like it over nj/sashi/aquila

[neon bronze]

Yes the buff includes herself. Needs 3 IJN ships

[sterile bobcat]

[flint python]

[zenith lantern]

3 BB should be able to win vanguard fight against CVs almost every time, if you’re losing it’s probably gear.

[hidden robin]

with a condition that your vanguard must survive until they spot the opponent's CV

[brazen socket]

You are so right, we should like set up a shrine for quyet

[stable dawn]

we plan to put stepmom into its own tier next sheet update

Tier Q, for Quyet

[brazen socket]

Q is also for Quadrillion times the best

[flint python]

okkyeah she gud lol

[stable dawn]

new meta???

[flint python]

rip black torp bug tho

now that she has preload

[neon bronze]

ZAMN

[neon bronze]

she good?

[steel coral]

bricking account by limit breaking jintm

[stable dawn]

account is already bricked by leveling ancho red skill

[lusty hill]

yakuza

[flint python]

460mm musashi btw

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/610601940639809542/1078506136149430422/914343838162780241.gif

[whole salmon]

Man

My Unzen’s skill levels aren’t maxed yet

And still like 10-12 ish days until max limit break Jintsuu Meta

[fickle echo]

Still faster than getting a DR to dev 30

[whole salmon]

There’s also Jintsuu Meta Shimakaze Harbin as well

@fickle echo results on CN are up

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV18m4y1N73u/?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0

MSN only has 68% wr on offense against triple torp

[fickle echo]

I can't play the video right now

[whole salmon]

Well that's....certainly something to be concerned about

He said that no conclusive statement can be made and this was only tested on defense, not yet on offense

And that he will make a further analysis whenever he gets them all geared up

But if that's the results from preliminary testing then oh boy

[fickle echo]

So the conclusion is: there's no conclusion

[whole salmon]

Someone in the comments asked if triple torp is good on offense or not and he said he will provide further

[steel coral]

they went for hiryuu, I was thinking seyd

[whole salmon]

For now, from the testings he has done, fully geared MSN only has 68% wr

Also from the attacker's def fleet, it seems like he is also planning to test out Musashi NJ Vanguard, Jintsuu Meta Shimakaze Harbin

So the change seems to primarily came from Jintsuu Meta and not Unzen

[fickle echo]

Maybe Quyet is right and MSN is shit

[whole salmon]

Perhaps he is right

[steel coral]

this is what I was cookin

[whole salmon]

Also the Musashi of MSN got 1 shotted

We still have 10 days left before people get them maxed

So ig for now just start leveling or preparing for equips beforehand

[fickle echo]

11 days for me because I forgot to grind 100 coordinates

[whole salmon]

The switch to Musashi wasn't that quick either

So a few days to a week of delay is still fine

And besides, perhaps testings might show otherwise

Since EN meta still prefers triple BB, perhaps the torp comp might not be as effective

[whole salmon]

He didn't use Musashi in this vid

Which is quite something

A fleet that doesn't use Anchorage, Juneau or Musashi

[steel coral]

maybe used NJ over Musashi for manjuu

[whole salmon]

In the description or comment I forgot, he said MSN even had a streak of 5 match loss

[flint python]

[brazen socket]

so unzen great?

[whole salmon]

No

Jintsuu Meta is great

Unzen is just there as the last slot

[brazen socket]

ah fuck didnt see it

wait so it was shima jintsm unzen

[whole salmon]

Whether it is Unzen or Harbin, the result doesn't matter

Jintsuu Meta Shimakaze Unzen

or

Jintsuu Meta Shimakaze Harbin

[brazen socket]

I guess harbin is just there for a tad bit safer results

[whole salmon]

They might test further with Ayanami, Noshiro, Naganami, Jintsuu kai

[flint python]

Unzen and harbin is interchangable from my testing

[whole salmon]

Return to IJN meta

[flint python]

unzen can dmg vanguard a bit better but harbin have cl pvp mods

[whole salmon]

When Mafia killed IJN for a few months

Now IJN has came back and returned the meta to what it was previously

[brazen socket]

akshually return to torp meme meta since jintsuu meta isnt ijn! 🤓

[whole salmon]

[brazen socket]

by technicality

[whole salmon]

Well yes

[brazen socket]

How does torp launch order work in pvp?

[whole salmon]

Torp meme meta was the peak of IJN suprememcy when that fleet has full 6 IJN ships

[brazen socket]

left right middle?

[fickle echo]

Italian UR soon

[whole salmon]

Seems like it

Which is why Jintsuu Meta is placed at main tank

[brazen socket]

ah

[whole salmon]

So that her buffs could trigger for Shima and 3rd slot

[flint python]

the amount of torps getting shit out at the start is just too funny

[brazen socket]

is full torp full offense or one is at least carrying smth defensive or tears

[whole salmon]

Even if all of your frontline ships die before 20 seconds

You can guarantee 7 waves of torps

[flint python]

torp order is left mid right

[whole salmon]

3 from Jintsuu Meta, 2 from Shimakaze and Unzen/Harbin each

[brazen socket]

man I got to return to WA

[whole salmon]

Since Jintsuu Meta proc 2 waves of torps when she enters self invulnerability state

[brazen socket]

maybe someone could carry tears to make unzen last long enough to be able to fire off 2 more torps

[whole salmon]

I already had a gut feeling

To think it would happen

[brazen socket]

create ships and gears to counter torpedo meta
wait for 2 years
proceed to bring it back

[whole salmon]

Tho perhaps this might even be a bigger gate for new players

[brazen socket]

it is

[whole salmon]

Since not everyone is gonna have 3 black aux torp ready and max enhanced

Considering black aux is only recently added in to war archive

Not to mention you might need some enhanced oxygen torpedo

[flint python]

I think yakuza is the go to backline for this

[brazen socket]

The only thing new players have going for them is that all 3 jintsuu shima and unzen are running at the same time soon

[whole salmon]

That's a lot of plate requirements

Instead of the backline investment being required, it is now placed on the frontline

[brazen socket]

but then the problem is that all 3 of them are running at the same time

[whole salmon]

It still requires proper enhancements

Which is a issue for newer players

[brazen socket]

that too

[whole salmon]

Those withotu black aux torps simply can't use this strategy at all

[flint python]

time to bully those who miss then

[whole salmon]

Compared that to current meta where Pearl, Manjuu, Beaver, are all readily available

The rest you can pad out with Rudder and Boiler

[brazen socket]

and newer players aren't exactly pouring everything into pvp meta since they'd need to prioritize pve gear before everything

[whole salmon]

Yeah

Oxy torp and black aux torp is low on priority of things to enhance for a new players

[brazen socket]

and WA keys are limited to 60

[whole salmon]

They would go for shells or HPFCR or CV aux instead

[brazen socket]

way to go devs you accidentally brought back the fucking meta you tried to kill

this time its even worse

[whole salmon]

Don't worry

We will get a ship that buffs backline torp damage reduction

Maximum copium

Ig we already have VV but like

Perhaps Mafia could make a come back

[brazen socket]

Hiryuu augment will be released, when she is alive torpedo damage recieved by backline is reduced by 25%

[whole salmon]

Bf109 testings might resume you know

[flint python]

we use mafia backline instead with vv using 460mm and torp meme front

[whole salmon]

Since triple torp have slow af speed

Bf109 and Yorktown 2 Rocket Divebomber might make a come back on Aquila

Swordfish Aquila

Return to old meta

[flint python]

nah still wyvern

[brazen socket]

a sick combination of mafia torpedo meta

the fucking comp that was brought to kill torpedo meta is the one working with it now

[whole salmon]

Mafia legit was the comp brought to kill torp meme

Torp damage reduction VV, preload Aquila to kill paper torp frontline

Then VV quickload to follow up on Aquila

Torp shield on Duca

Not to mention Ancho and Juneau

Then have Manjuu and WNT

[brazen socket]

VV might be equipping 406 mk7 I assume?

[whole salmon]

Yeah, return to old meta

Tho Mafia back then was brought in to kill Noshiro Naganami Jintsuu

[brazen socket]

the meta starts now, as soon as we get jintsuu to mlb this is gonna be real shit

[whole salmon]

It might not be enough to tank Shimakaze anymore...

Like if you run triple torp with Harbin instead of Unzen

VV quickload and Aquila preload might not be as effective

[brazen socket]

oh fuck

[whole salmon]

Triple torp currently is different from triple torp back then

[brazen socket]

the only way to cut out torp meta is if they add more new torp damage reduction for backline or someone to be able to somehow cut out smokes

[flint python]

limitbreak 2 jintsuu meta is already close to max performance

[whole salmon]

Tho whatever it is

Meta is definitely shifting

And that's exciting

At worst, we have a tier 1 substitute fleet

[brazen socket]

eat torp

[whole salmon]

At best, we might have a new torp tier fleet

[flint python]

I'm also leaning towards JintM Shima Harbin

[whole salmon]

There's still loads of stuff we could test

We could test Ayanami now that she has new augment

[brazen socket]

I'd say Harbin vs Unzen depends on team comp

[flint python]

tho harbin smoke might not come fast enough to block preload rockets

[whole salmon]

We could even test Noshiro, Naganami, Jintsuu again

Or even Ibuki

[brazen socket]

If no one is threatening frontline. unzen can go in

[whole salmon]

Also

Do DDGs have preload?

[brazen socket]

The only preload they get is backline mode iirc

[flint python]

still prob gonna use unzen anyway cuz shiny

[whole salmon]

That's sadge

[brazen socket]

still asking if for vanguard mode too

welp just asked only backline mode

[whole salmon]

Backline mode definitely did

[flint python]

lul ddg might be gud again

[brazen socket]

I almost thought I cooked cause I thought ddg backline could be affected by jintsuus skill

but then it specifically mentions vanguard

ddg vs triple torp could probably work if you think about it, though the issue now becomes when enemy uses yakuza backline

[serene epoch]

Soo... JinMe must stay 0lb or nah?

[flint python]

mlb

[ocean quest]

b-but blacktorp bug

[serene epoch]

Have only 1 blackdildo anyway

[ocean quest]

time to farm up

[neon bronze]

good evening what the fuck

[flint python]

hello

what the fuck?

[neon bronze]

does this mean that i have to do fucking META

no wifi at home, no time to farm otherwise. just checking who's who on pvp list

[ocean quest]

doomed

[neon bronze]

changing gears is fine but then there's not much time on another place

[valid oxide]

How

Also finally, a meta team I can build

[trail temple]

Don't go saying that too loudly, Aoste will hear you

[whole salmon]

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

maybe i can stop pvp for a while and read romance manga

it's about to be 2 am (1h before 12h set ends)

any suggestions

gn

[ocean quest]

rush after reset and sleep

or wake up before next one ig

[languid pecan]

What's the best defense fleet I can do

[wanton cove]

Wow you have Meta fleet out right

You even have a good selection for stalling fleet

[spiral owl]

you can go yakuza with musashi/aquila/nj ancho/shima/juneau

[whole salmon]

No Shinano or Vanguard

But that’s not a major concern

Your frontline selection is enough

Tho for future investments, perhaps try raising Jintsuu Meta

[wanton cove]

Shinano isn't idea for PvP last I saw

She's pretty slow

[whole salmon]

She is top pick for CV for the last 2 years

[spiral owl]

Shinano is still top tier but requires heavy investment in wyverns

so if you don't have the gold plates i wouldn't recommend

[whole salmon]

The only drawbacks is the costs of enhancing all of those Wyverns

Most people who played double CV Shinano Hiryuu back then already had the necessary investment

[spiral owl]

hiryuu/aquila are much more noob friendly

[whole salmon]

But newcomers should prioritize other fleets

[valid oxide]

How impactful/not is tenrai +13 on hiryuu?

[whole salmon]

To track the history of Shinano

• Nagato Shinano Amagi, Juneau Azuma Yukikaze (IJN standard)
• Nagato Shinano Hiryuu/Enterprise, Noshiro Naganami Jintsuu (IJN Torp meme)
• New Jersey Shinano Hiryuu, Anchorage Shimakaze Juneau (Weeb)
• Musashi New Jersey Shinano, Anchorage Shimakaze Juneau (MSN)

Shinano remained in the meta since 2020 as the only few top picks for CVs

The only period where she wasn’t meta was early days Mafia

Since most people didn’t have high enough investment to make Weeb fleets worthwhile since OPSI only came out a few months prior

[stable dawn]

Shinano is bad, use triple BB with HMS Vanguard

[wanton cove]

Funny thing I always target fleets that use Shinano in PvP... guess it's just me

[serene epoch]

She is so slow that you can win before he strike

[wanton cove]

That's the reason she's to damn slow

[whole salmon]

What are you running her with? Tenrai?

[wanton cove]

What am I running against her you mean

[whole salmon]

I mean if you don’t use her, how would you know a properly geared one is actually slow

[wanton cove]

I don't use her in PvP period

[spiral owl]

wyvern tenrai gaming

[whole salmon]

Then do you know if the opponent’s is properly geared or not

If you have zero experience of using her yourself

[wanton cove]

Guess the 98% of those I take on don't properly gear her then

[spiral owl]

98% of people are just running pve gear anw

[wanton cove]

2 wyvern, 1 Tenrai, flight beacon, gold catapult

[whole salmon]

And that’s the issue

Such cringe gear is the reason

[wanton cove]

I don't equip those

[whole salmon]

But it is the reason why you won

[wanton cove]

Because I don't use her in PvP

[whole salmon]

This is not directed towards you

But towards the people that haven’t figured out how to gear Shinano properly even after 3 years

Even if her gear hasn’t changed once ever since OPSI cane out

[wanton cove]

Aquila could likely sport the wyvern and Tenrai because of preload

[whole salmon]

Shinano can’t use both

[wanton cove]

But Shinano can't

[whole salmon]

And in pvp, Wyvern is always priority

[wanton cove]

PvE would prefer Ryusei

[whole salmon]

And will remain the priority until the devs give us a divebomber that can intercept

[wanton cove]

Anyways ideally you want speed build

[whole salmon]

You don’t need that much speed

[whole salmon]

Fixing this is fairly simple

Ditch the Tenrai, run Suisei 12A

Ditch Beacon, run Oil

To increase crash damage

You can even ditch Catapult

Make sure every plane is +13 even if it costs a fortune

[wanton cove]

Interesting maybe I'll try running her with those gear

[whole salmon]

And simple as that, it is the same build used by Shinanos even back before Italian Meta

But people still doesn’t use either

[wanton cove]

I just don't run Shinano except in PvE, I'll try that out

[whole salmon]

You don’t need to

Just that it requires a lot of investment to run her properly

That’s why she’s unpopular in pvp

Plates are spent for pve gear mostly

No one has the time to enhance 2 Wyverns to +13

[hollow walrus]

720 plane plates. Ouch that investment

[wanton cove]

It will take me time to get the gear to that level

[whole salmon]

To think some of us actually had 3 +13 Wyverns in early 2022

[hollow walrus]

das a lot of gold plates

1080 plates

how long did it take?

[whole salmon]

A lot

[wanton cove]

I only have 1 +12 and 1 +11

[whole salmon]

2 Wyverns for Shinano

1 Wyvern 1 Tenrai for Hiryuu

During the Weeb fleet era

Loads of plates went into that

[spiral owl]

the thing is most people play this game for pve, pvp is a very small niche of the game, asking people to spend plates on wyverns over tenrais or converging torpedoes is a big ask, so no wonder very few people run properly geared shinano's in pvp

the only people who have enough plates for it are either pvp gamers or ultra late game pve players

[whole salmon]

It is indeed quite a big ask

Like take these 2 screenshots

[hollow walrus]

that's 1680 gold plane plates

[whole salmon]

The only pve gear you would use from this is the Tenrai and maybe the Suisei 12A

Everything else isn’t use in Pve at all

And I haven’t used my Hiryuu in ages

Luckily the Hiryuu gear set is standard for pvp, so it can switched to Aquila or Chise if necessary

But the Shinano gear set is hella specific

[spiral owl]

if you wanna farm for shinano set you're probably looking at like 4-5 months worth of plates

also one of the reason why milf is much preferred over msn, the gear is very easily accessible

[valid oxide]

Milf > hymen?

[whole salmon]

There is indeed such a big gap between pvp gear and pve gear for CVs

Which can’t exactly be said for BBs

457s are still good even in pve

HPFCR is also meta

Staag is definite yes

And you don’t even have to enhance the aux gun

[coral wren]

is this gun better than the drake gun for pvp?

[serene epoch]

Both new ur guns better

[whole salmon]

Tbh

It doesn’t really matter

I doubt you would notice that much of a change

It is the same with gun and torp choice on Juneau

Yes stuff may be marginally better but most of the time you might not notice the difference

Which then comes down to whether you would want to spend such a limited item on her or not

[deft escarp]

Is that Snadi server?

[serene epoch]

Literally in his profile

[gusty cipher]

ye

[deft escarp]

[torpid shuttle]

tfw i overcapped

pvp so tox to play

[grim solar]

How's Unzen in PvP?

[trail temple]

I haven't seen her used competitively yet

Probs need a while longer

[neon bronze]

Quyet video has her

[trail temple]

You lost me at Quyet

[grim solar]

Oof, gonna wait then.

[brazen socket]

One is better than nothing but if that one is quyet that is still nothing

[whole salmon]

From the stuff I have gather, it seems like Jintsuu Meta is still the more stable pick

Unzen is still a good pick but her slot is contested by Harbin

And outside of torp fleet only, it is even harder to justify Unzen

[neon bronze]

oh goodbye then

[stable dawn]

jintsuu meta counters MSN totally

the real question is why does CN use MSN without WNT flag

[neon bronze]

why does JP use 3 BB with WNT on flag as well

[brazen socket]

Are you really asking about JP meta when they're the most unserious when it comes to meta

[stable dawn]

JP has like 30 servers and all are casual except like 2 iirc

imagine 28 Sandys

[coral wren]

Honestly I don’t think many try on PvP or else I’d not be winning 99.9% of my matches with a busted meta team

[stable dawn]

[coral wren]

I used to lose to a guy name Donald trump and avoided the mf but now I easily surpass the dude

Some known dude on avrora. some people made Reddit posts about most funny names they’ve seen their fleets called

[stable dawn]

Are you saying you got

walled?

[coral wren]

First time I never wanted to fight someone again after I got dono walled

[neon bronze]

yet their guys have higher scores than EN does now

there ia something in their water

[fickle echo]

EN would have higher scores if everyone had the same timezone, the 1st reset was made 12h long so people could go to sleep when it starts and still wake up to do their exercises later

But instead there's a lot of people who go to sleep during the end of the 1st or 2nd reset so what you get is a lot of opponents who aren't gonna move to give your bonuses

[stable dawn]

envy actually proved using a shitton of statistics that servers with stronger def fleets and players that move later have lower overall scores, with Avrora being one of the few exceptions

EN is literally too competitive for its own good

meanwhile TW players:

Finishes 3h into eos reset
2608

[neon bronze]

true...

Early Avrora saw 2600s. Was that due to most players in the NA area at the time?

just curious

[stable dawn]

actually I think it was due to fleets being worse and people not knowing how bagging works

EN has always had a mixed audience

lots of early SEA players, NA players, EU players, etc on the same servers

[steel coral]

cuz tw chads actually do pvp

so much gensui food that +5 each set is average

[stable dawn]

so the secret was not overcapping all along

[unreal leaf]

is it really ok to go for Harbin variant?

if you dont get 3 IJN bonus for Shinano?

was using Noshiro for now

[winged depot]

it gets squishy if you don't use a 3rd ijn

can use yukikaze I guess

[unreal leaf]

yeah, doint know why its higher than other 3rd ijn ship

the Harbin thing I mean

[stable dawn]

it's because Ayanami is squishy

she triggers shinano buff but she will disappear after first torp launch lol

[unreal leaf]

and for Noshiro?

[stable dawn]

no double torp launch

also slower than aya

but realistically they're all much closer in power than shima

shima is just a whole level above everyone else

[whole salmon]

Tbh MSN might not be meta anymore in 10 days

[unreal leaf]

yeah rerun we are supposed to get

[whole salmon]

So start preparing for other ships

[unreal leaf]

wdym

[whole salmon]

[stable dawn]

tbf that test is against an MSN without WNT flag

[winged depot]

yakuza ftw

[whole salmon]

That is true

But the enemy def fleet didn’t have Musashi either

[stable dawn]

imo MSN without WNT flag is objectively worse than Juneau yakuza

[whole salmon]

[stable dawn]

just because Shinano just sits there and gets popped by Shima before she can launch about 1/3 of the time

[unreal leaf]

oh

time to change my Shina item then

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[whole salmon]

MSN was already on the decline in popularity

Due to the investment requirements for it

[stable dawn]

just like old meeb

[whole salmon]

It is still top pick currently and I do use it

[unreal leaf]

went for 3 wyverns for meeb >_>

[whole salmon]

But it is kinda hard to justify its place

No

[stable dawn]

it's the safest fleet to climb if you have the funds

[whole salmon]

Not the planes

The enhancements

[stable dawn]

pretty much never have to reset

[unreal leaf]

this shit killed me for months

[whole salmon]

You can have the correct planes but still deal low damage without enhancements

[stable dawn]

downside is you are slowge

avg of 40-50s per exercise at best

[unreal leaf]

feeling like I get better no reset win ratio with MSN fleet

[stable dawn]

like if you've played card games, it's essentially just a control deck lol

high winrate, but you have to survive past turn 4

[whole salmon]

MSN is still reliable for the most part

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

But the rise of triple torp is inevitable at this point

[stable dawn]

the question is whether MSN itself will also evolve

[whole salmon]

Chances are it will

[stable dawn]

one could in theory drop shima for unzen

[whole salmon]

Just run triple torp with MSN backline

No longer need to stall for Shinano or rng lose frontline fight if the enemy is dead

[stable dawn]

if the enemy runs the same setup you still lose due to slowness

[whole salmon]

Triple torp was used with Shinano before

The infamous 6 IJN ship fleet of 2020

Nagato Shinano Hiryuu Noshiro Naganami Jintsuu

[stable dawn]

that's because there was pretty much nothing better for backline

[whole salmon]

I still think MSN would stay

Since Shinano’s concealment would make her less vulnerable to triple torp

If anything, triple BB might be hit more often

[stable dawn]

triple BB gets kear though

[whole salmon]

Kear can spot it seems

According to Ari’s testings against Plasma

[stable dawn]

not if she dies before she launches

[whole salmon]

More of a reason to run triple torp

[unreal leaf]

ahh by 10 days u meant DL30 kear?

[whole salmon]

No

[stable dawn]

no, max LB jintsuu meta

[whole salmon]

Jintsuu Meta opens up more substitute options for Shima

[stable dawn]

Jintsuu Meta and Unsen

lots of good new options now

[whole salmon]

Since Anchorage Jintsuu Meta Harbin/Unzen cans still fit into Yakuza or triple BB comps

[stable dawn]

vg meta was mega stale before

ancho shima + juneau/harbin

and that was it

[whole salmon]

While Jintsuu Meta can also open the possibility of triple torp

So Jintsuu Meta seems quite important

[unreal leaf]

I just want second shinano to not deal with weapon swaps, for now im running standard double wyvern even for pve

[stable dawn]

I suspect most players will just run triple torp because aggro builds in every game trigger that fat dopamine response
haha torp go BOOM

[whole salmon]

I think Triple torp might be a similar Weeb situation

[winged depot]

the dark ages is upon us

[whole salmon]

People aren’t going to have those aux max enhanced

Due to high af plate requirements

[stable dawn]

Just use 6x rainbow torp aux

[whole salmon]

At the minimum

You are looking at 3 black aux torp at +13

And if you aren’t a veteran or missed Aurora Noctis, you don’t even have 3 black aux torps to enhance

And good luck farming War Archive

Not to mention the 2 oxygen torpedo at +13

Yikes plates

[stable dawn]

now the most interesting thing I suspect
is that MSN may in fact get buffed with the right setup

right now a lot of the time with WNT flag, Juneau has to go double gyro or gyro + boiler because otherwise she dies too late

with triple torp cancer everywhere, we can potentially run full tank build Juneau
wirbel luft + bulge

[winged depot]

tank juneau

[unreal leaf]

sayin that people will swap to triple torp right after it becomes a thing

[whole salmon]

The switch will be slow

The switch to Musashi was slow af

[stable dawn]

bro most people still run yakuza and mafia

because they're fast

[whole salmon]

Even a month or 2 after Musashi’s release

[stable dawn]

and flashy

[unreal leaf]

y there was yakuza everywhere

[stable dawn]

but don't have god winrates

[whole salmon]

People still don’t believe Musashi was strong

[winged depot]

amagi has a shit ton of yakuza fleets

[stable dawn]

torpmemes is flashy af

[whole salmon]

If you were here in those days, you would realize how much copium there were

[stable dawn]

people will switch

[whole salmon]

Until Mafia fleets gets walled by MSN

[unreal leaf]

like honestly, how many ppl give a fuck about pvp

[whole salmon]

Then they realize how busted Musashi was

[stable dawn]

around 70% of non-meme def washy fleets are some kind of yakuza lol

lots of them using Juneau version

kinda wild

[whole salmon]

Then sometimes, a switch happens even if that ship isn’t all that top

[winged depot]

the toxic ones are not yakuza

[unreal leaf]

wasnt it Meeb first?

[stable dawn]

[winged depot]

washy so toxic bro

[unreal leaf]

and then Meeb getting walled by MSN?

[whole salmon]

Like why did people switch to Bismarck Zwei so quickyl

[whole salmon]

No

MSN was already used on day 1

[stable dawn]

there's like 3 bisko fleets in total in top 100

2 of them are people I know who are meming their faces off

[whole salmon]

It was between Shinano and Hiryuu in the last slots

[winged depot]

bisko fleets are fun, easy fleets to beat

[whole salmon]

I remember vividly that day

[stable dawn]

bisko is viable I swear

[whole salmon]

The devs release the quick skill enhance thing

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

So Musashi can get her skills to level 10 in a few days

Fully geared and oathed MSN was already used 3 days after Musashi’s release

[unreal leaf]

wait

[whole salmon]

I was the first few to actually say use Blue Gun Musashi

[unreal leaf]

I meant Musashi, Hiryuu, Shinano fleet

[whole salmon]

And people thought I was coping

Now people really do use it

[stable dawn]

yeah the debate between purple gun and blue gun was huge

[whole salmon]

I still have it here

The vid is here

21st of September

MSN was already used

People simply refused to believe Musashi was good for months

[winged depot]

lightning strikes with crits are not strong
-some people

welp I always see her as an opportunity to get out of my reset mania era

[whole salmon]

And yeah Plasma was already testing Yakuza on the same day

Just goes to show that the meta still hasn't changed in a year

[flint python]

I'm using triple invul backline with torp meme atm

very fun

[whole salmon]

Mbruh

[neon bronze]

when running triple torp, do i expect resets?