pvp

[tacit fox]

Is the pr6 cl gun better than prototype 137 for bb aux gun?

[whole salmon]

On flagship position, which is where you usually place Musashi, Ply gun seems to be the more preferred option

It still has 68 range, which is sufficient

Only the off flag positions require 70 range to get reliable hits

And besides, 65 FP is more than worth it

[hidden robin]

besides, if you don't pick either proto 137mm or Plygun, you should be better with this lab one instead

or yolo with 155mm kai

[neon bronze]

That gun not in the Bible though

[hidden robin]

right, i wonder if there's Bible skin for artillery

[fickle echo]

That gun only has 65 range not worth using unless it's on Tamaki or if you're one of those people who use og Bismarck

[tawny parcel]

Richie or monarch for mobbing?

[neon bronze]

neither

if you really want to use either somehow... Richelieu

[fickle echo]

PvE

[brazen socket]

this msn looks kinda weird

did shinano always have black hair

[winged depot]

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

Well this season she's using hair dye

[brazen socket]

I fear I may not be able to reach aotn even this year

[neon bronze]

Just do your pvps and then boom, AotN

[brazen socket]

cant sandbag, got school

[neon bronze]

i sandbagged in school as well

ssadge break time is always after the reset times for me

[brazen socket]

my breaktimes arent on reset times

its 2 hours after

ill see ig

[neon bronze]

smh just go to comfort room and pvp on the way and back

[fickle echo]

Red Alexandrit is dead enough to be rolled by you?!

[pseudo copper]

We have a bagger that bagged during a test

No excuses there

[brazen socket]

CommanderOwO has her ways

[fickle echo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/516951413411020819/1104669116553498715/Screenshot_20230507-0416522.png

[neon bronze]

who btw

[brazen socket]

So I can just run it down aotn with 15 pvps as long as I fight people ahead of me?

[pseudo copper]

I rush 10 days and only bag 4

I still eos

[fickle echo]

I got AotN before just by doing all my exercises 2h after the reset

[pseudo copper]

So yes, you can just bag 1 set or just rush all season then timing your aotn climb right

[brazen socket]

ill see what I can do then ty!

[fickle echo]

[pseudo copper]

Why do you think I always meme about people bagging early season

[winged depot]

kj did, got rank 1 the same time

[neon bronze]

oh yeah i forgot about that time

[median herald]

zwei's blackhole is rigged against the attacking fleet smh

[lusty hill]

Zwei good

[median herald]

only for defense

[deft escarp]

@whole salmon

[whole salmon]

Oh god

If this was back then, I would have ran away from that as fast as I could

[deft escarp]

Yeah I quit during this time

My vanguard always one shot

I had to do at least 4 resets per fight against these

[median herald]

guys what's the best strat for getting admiral of the navy?

[deft escarp]

Pls ban Anchorage and other anti torp ships so other people with their garbage fleets would require resetting at least 5 per fight

[whole salmon]

You know what was even worse

During the era of when OPSI first came out

And it was the Wyvern rush

[deft escarp]

Teatorps?

[whole salmon]

Since the fleets with Wyverns perform better than fleets without

If you didn’t have Wyvern, it was a washed

[deft escarp]

I was around for a month before quitting and had experienced that pain

[whole salmon]

Just sandbag every set until you have to rush

[lusty hill]

try sandbagging, minimize losing or overcap, rush on the aotn time

[deft escarp]

The Wyverns and torp meme fleets burned me out quickly

[whole salmon]

Pvp really was a hell hole

[deft escarp]

It's so accessible nowadays lol

[whole salmon]

I think a strategy that popped up was

Riche FDG Amagi

Using the burn damage of fixed position barrages to spot CVs

This was the copium era before Aquila

[median herald]

sandbagging means maintaining a save of 10 fights right

[whole salmon]

NO

[lusty hill]

it mean to fight the opponent with high score difference

[whole salmon]

The higher the opponent’s score that you beat

The more points you get as a “bonus”

Trying to maximize your points through gaining these “bonuses”

[median herald]

i'm doing that, still only getting 10 pts though

[whole salmon]

Because the point difference isn’t large enough

[median herald]

fighting the leftmost person, making sure my rank is lower

[whole salmon]

You have to wait for them to move up in rank

You have to make sure they have the necessary point difference for a bonus

[neon bronze]

sandbagging is gaining as much points possible with your first 5 exercises; waiting for players to move in order to get a bonus off 'em

[whole salmon]

Which at this stage is 35 points per bonus

You don’t simply rush left most

[neon bronze]

while ensuring that you are at 5/10 exercises just before resets

[median herald]

what's the min difference

for bonus

[whole salmon]

You have to make sure the opponent is ahead by the required points

Current stage is 35

For 1 extra

71 points for 2 extra

[median herald]

i see

[whole salmon]

You can check leaderboard etc for that

Let’s do real example

[median herald]

would it be beneficial to have a crappy defense fleet then

[whole salmon]

Lilish is 7th position

65 - 18 = 47 points difference

[whole salmon]

In theory yes

But def doesn’t matter as much

+11 points for the win

10 points is the standard for beating opponent higher rank than you

[pseudo copper]

People that lose exercises are the same type to overcap anyways

[whole salmon]

1 point bonus for them being 35 points ahead

If that person was 71 points ahead, I would have gotten +12 for the win

This applies to earlier seasons as well

[whole salmon]

Based SCR is the standard for beating an opponent not lower rank than you

[median herald]

so what i'm getting is to do the first 5 exercises at the start of season, and then make sure to have 5/10 every refresh until a certain point where I rush?

[whole salmon]

The Min Diff column is the min point difference needed for a bonus

Trying to get all of these bonuses stacked up to increase overall score

That’s sandbagging

Which matters a lot more than having a top fleet or not

[deft escarp]

You want to be at 5/10 before next reason, fight anyone above the threshold needed for bonus points as well

[median herald]

i see, thanks

5/10 before the next season?

[deft escarp]

Reset

[whole salmon]

I think Friday set 3 is when you can rush

[deft escarp]

You get 3 resets per day each giving 5 exercises

[whole salmon]

Oh you would see like us say set 1, set 2, set 3 etc

[deft escarp]

Isn't it second reset on Friday?

[whole salmon]

Some can rush set 2 but most people don’t have enough points yet

So set 3 is the more common option

[deft escarp]

Iirc, some people on Sandy already hit 2200 on second reset already

[whole salmon]

Most of those are light baggers

Usually the amount of people that can rush to that position is less than 20

On set 2

[deft escarp]

Pretty sure they're rushers lol

[median herald]

is it recommended to not use refresh opponent

[whole salmon]

True rushers won’t reach that position on set 2

[deft escarp]

On average it's just 2 or 3 people doing that and they're all rushers

Ah

[whole salmon]

Saving refreshes is important on the second week of the season

As you don’t want to be in a sticky situation

Occasionally you might be running out of time or you met a really strong fleet

However after a day is over and you are at 5/10 already, you can spend all of your refreshes before the daily reset in order to get a good opponent

Well you can already try doing it in the first week but it is more random

On second week then you can recognize people who move in order to bag off of them

But that requires experience in the gamemode

[median herald]

got it, thanks guys

[pseudo copper]

Important thing is don't overcap and ez aotn

[whole salmon]

Yeah minimize losing points

[pseudo copper]

More you bag more room for error you have

[whole salmon]

So avoid losing fights

As well as not finishing fights before the time is up

Or fighting lower rank opponents

[median herald]

overcap is like finishing all your fights right

[whole salmon]

No

Overcap is not being at 5/10 before reset

[median herald]

ah ok

[whole salmon]

Example

You are at 8/10

Reset is up, it give you 5 more attempts

But the max is 10, so you are back at 10/10

Meaning you lost 3 attempts

Meaning you lost 30 points

Ofc if you bag hard you can make up for the point loss but avoid overcapping if you don’t plan to hard sandbag

[median herald]

alright, thanks

[scenic tendon]

my +2s

[valid oxide]

I managed to overcap a bunch of attempts early season so I gave up

[trail temple]

I forgot pvp for a day

I think I recovered okay

[vocal stratus]

Funny bug that appeared for me today. Anyone got this before?

[neon bronze]

Pvp console

[fickle echo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745143627608752179/1044066095545471097/Screenshot_20221120-2243242.png

[empty mesa]

Mk unretired?

[fickle echo]

The screenshot is from before he retired

[empty mesa]

[trail temple]

[pseudo copper]

He hit aotn

Rank 0 too, MK is AI (easy) confirmed?

[scenic tendon]

@tranquil badge ông đánh pvp vài phát được không? lol

cảm ơn trước nhé

[tranquil badge]

I am not Vietnamese sooooo

[scenic tendon]

no way

[tranquil badge]

why would you assume i'm a viet?

[scenic tendon]

can you do some pvp attempts?

I just guessed

[tranquil badge]

[scenic tendon]

[tranquil badge]

[scenic tendon]

[winged depot]

hi chien

[tranquil badge]

hi veston

[scenic tendon]

[tranquil badge]

[whole salmon]

Ko

[scenic tendon]

who taught you that?

[whole salmon]

But remember to speak english

[scenic tendon]

it was just some... dark tricks

dont worry

[whole salmon]

21 years in Vietnam as a Vietnamese citizen

[scenic tendon]

Sounds reasonable

1 year more than me

[whole salmon]

I want to do it but I might regret it if JP anniv is BB gun

[scenic tendon]

just do it

[flint python]

Yamato UR confetti

[whole salmon]

Also btw

Instead of Ayanami

Has anyone look into Kawakaze as a Shima substitute yet

[flint python]

same prob as aya

I'm trying yuki in msn rn

[light crystal]

Must be hard being Shima gapped

[fickle echo]

Looks like Aya did a lot, she gave Shima moral support

[brazen socket]

must be hard being juneau and harbin gapped too

[valid oxide]

Kawa probably better than Aya but as an anti-vanguard ship

Anti CL skill and anti-light torps + aug barrage

[light crystal]

No1 in team died if u were wondering

[fickle echo]

[valid oxide]

And also her damage reduction means she doesn't die as quickly as shima ig

Aya

I meant aya

[light crystal]

HArbin does jack shit. Now Juneau, I do feel it, but it's w/e

[brazen socket]

harbin does jack shit while ayanami does?

[valid oxide]

Harb does more than an Aya who misses preload then dies

[fickle echo]

"Musashi bad, Harbin bad" -The last serious mafia user, 2023

[light crystal]

Sir, I'm playing Aya for waifu purposes. I could bust out Juneau if I wanted to, but I refuse to

[brazen socket]

doesnt shimakaze hard cuck ayanami in torpedos too, so when ayanami eventually does shit out her torpedos it might be bad timing

[brazen socket]

understandable ig

[valid oxide]

All preload torps are bad timing because funny anchorage exists

[brazen socket]

was the harbin comment necessary when you could've just said aya was waifu

[fickle echo]

He's a mafia user, he has to convince himself he's doing the right thing

[light crystal]

Basically, in the 1/50 games Aya MVP's, I like to see her do it cuz I really like this skin. That's right, I play this team to see Ayanami's skin pop up in the odd game she does.

[neon bronze]

mafia good?

[light crystal]

Probably gonna switch to Juneau like the rest once I switch out Venetto for Keasrsagre, once she's Dev 20+

[fickle echo]

Only if you are as good as Aoste and I don't think we're

[neon bronze]

😔

[light crystal]

You know, you can just reset to win. Venetto is pretty meh, but I'm sticking to this comp until Kearsage is ready. Musashi wasn't enough waifu material for me to change comp, but Kearsarge is

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/txZK9AKioOs

I only had 50% winrate against Yakuza

[empty mesa]

Seattle doko?

[empty mesa]

Fake Mafia.

[flint python]

Aya where???

fake mafia

[fickle echo]

@pseudo copper Stole her from me to do something with her

[empty mesa]

😳

[neon bronze]

seattle good?

[empty mesa]

Juneau/Duca/Seattle

[fickle echo]

You guys know there's only 1 USS vanguard ship that's usable in PvP aside from Ancho and Juneau it's ||Helena||

[neon bronze]

[fickle echo]

But I'm also not skilled enough to use her

[empty mesa]

Birmingham tho.

[fickle echo]

Purple ships without a retro exist?

[brazen socket]

birmingham is like a more cope uss yukikaze

[fickle echo]

The problem is that USS is s... special

IJN will always be powered by new rainbow ships every JP anniversary

[pseudo copper]

Calm down ALM

[fickle echo]

Don't expose me yet, I still need to tell them about Plymouth

[stable dawn]

pretty sure KizuBlade uses pve gear lmao

[light crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-and-ok-and-whole-sqaud-gif-22248092

[stable dawn]

You should use warspite too

[candid sluice]

mafia beats a pve fleet??? tier 0 ex+++ new meta

[brazen socket]

what abour your hakuryuu tech

[valid oxide]

I used to use corgi

I think musashi compensated for corgi being bad

[fickle echo]

Damn, Beth should have used mafia to beat Deathkt's Bis2

[fickle echo]

Only usable with 3 CV

[neon bronze]

i did not have aqila at the time, sir

[fickle echo]

[blazing canyon]

classic waifu over meta commander

[neon bronze]

[lusty hill]

Waifu fleet good

[tawny parcel]

Is fdg fs5 better than bis zwei?

[fickle echo]

In PvP yes

Zwei loses her damage reduction when she fires and even with it she struggles to survive long

And her blackhole barrage needs a lot of RNG to hit the enemy vanguard

Meanwhile FDG can easily survive most of the fight and her barrages are really good for killing the enemy vanguard

[tawny parcel]

Are AP guns on BBs better than HE?

[stable dawn]

depends on the BB

[tawny parcel]

I have fdg and nj

[fickle echo]

AP is usually better for every BB because the hardest ships to kill are usually Anchorage and the main fleet

[bright arrow]

Best tank for PVP?

[hollow walrus]

Anchorage

[winged depot]

anchorage by a mile

[zenith lantern]

Anchorage is the only tank in pvp.

[flint python]

72k hp enty

[trail temple]

^This guy knows

[lone eagle]

What is the best pvp fleet currently?

I’m running York II Musashi shinano anchorage yuudachi and Plymouth

[winged depot]

its on pins, saltyarrow doc

[lone eagle]

Sure I’ll take a look

[hollow walrus]

I wonder what it would take to replace Anchorage as main tank in pvp

[brazen socket]

anchorage but with more damage

[deft escarp]

Why do you guys want to replace Anchorage

Do you really need to experience the terror of a comp similar to this in its hayday

[hollow walrus]

Not saying to remove Anchorage. Was more wondering what skillset would a tank need to replace her in pvp

[stable dawn]

anchorage 2???

you mean 2 anchorage

[hollow walrus]

Or conversely, what type of ship would render Anchorage less useful as a tank

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

what would be torpmeme nowadays, with shimakaze

[deft escarp]

At that point you'd replace someone else before Anchorage

[fickle echo]

We could replace you

[deft escarp]

IJN Anchorage

[lusty hill]

invincibility buff for vanguard at exactly the time of shimakaze torps

[deft escarp]

Upon firing torpedoes grant all allied ships a barrier lasting 20s and if the barrier breaks the ship becomws invincible for 5s

She also has preload torps

[deft escarp]

Why Shimakaze precisely lol

[lusty hill]

shimakaze is incredibly broken in pvp

[deft escarp]

The only people who complain about Shimakaze are those who don't have Anchorage

[lusty hill]

[deft escarp]

Mfs complaining about an event ship that's counterable with a permanently available ship

It's not like we can just use another ship to replace Shimakaze anyway

[hollow walrus]

serenity moment

[fickle echo]

Serenity will keep complaining about Shimakaze until he gets her or a stronger ships gets released

[deft escarp]

[deft escarp]

Ban Shimakaze and have Harbin replace her instead

[fickle echo]

Harbin FateSim is coming soon

[deft escarp]

Wait no

Ban all meta ships and give collab ships broken augments to make them top tier

[pseudo copper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1120156941293998141/1120173374623191080/image.png?width=345&height=222

[deft escarp]

[fickle echo]

Idolmaster rerun with broken ships from Cinderella girls

[deft escarp]

Sometimes I'm wondering if I should've started my account on some other server

[pseudo copper]

Should've started in Amagae

[deft escarp]

Nah

I think I'm content with Sandy now though

[pseudo copper]

Ded server for a ded gamemode

[fickle echo]

You're the strongest pvper I know from there

[pseudo copper]

Are you sure it is not only?

[flint python]

you are the strongest if you are the only one

[pseudo copper]

You are the strongest person in SC

[fickle echo]

I think I know like more 2 or 3 Sandy pvpers if I count every player from Sandy I saw in this channel

[flint python]

[pseudo copper]

Truly best server

[flint python]

remember when amagi server was a meme

[pseudo copper]

Still is

Just that it is a good one rather than a dead one

[hollow walrus]

Juneau II: now with temp invul for entire fleet instead of just a heal

[flint python]

that's her aug

[abstract cypress]

[sour oasis]

Make exercise mode only for ships who can gain > 0 XP. Defense fleets have no limits.

[flint python]

huh

[whole salmon]

Wouldn’t that favor whales who can have 6 NJs up and running

Leading to greater unbalancing

And overall cringe

[trail temple]

I think Mr. E is just playing 5D chess with you guys

[fickle echo]

Is this what the higher ups are planning?

[trail temple]

No idea

[candid sluice]

Is that christopher the 4th higher up?

[trail temple]

Mr E just employs subtle irony that often goes over most people

[whole salmon]

Mr E? Hopefully he has better ideas than Mr F

[whole salmon]

Higher ups are planning on switching MK7 out for Kearsarge gun

[trail temple]

That's a pretty high bar you're setting there. No one here has topped it

[whole salmon]

Since apparently Kearsarge gun got higher burst and more burn

I won’t disclose the source since it is very mbruh

But someone did think of that idea

[trail temple]

Madyx's idea?

[whole salmon]

Due to similar raw damage

And Kear gun having 148% coeff as opposed to 124% of MK7

Kear gun does have higher burst damage and burn damage

This disadvantage ofc is that Kear gun has a slow af fire rate

I won’t comment on the idea since I haven’t tested yet

And I likely never will

[steel coral]

looks to be about 10% damage increase over mk7

[empty mesa]

But OG told me Mk7 is the best gun in game.

[steel coral]

15% more dmg but 20% slower

mk7 still better dps

[hidden robin]

Musashi and her 460mm
Kearsarge and her proto mk6

the shipgirl has 150 based RLD and the gun has 30s based reload

i think this is becoming the distinctive pattern: girls with shitty reload accompanied by shitty reload gun

not sure about FDG case

it's fooking lucky that Kearsarge first skill does not have limited duration like 8 or 10s unless there is but the description didn't fooking mention

[zenith lantern]

As usual everyone overlooks the no gun tech

[empty mesa]

We aren't ready to go this deep yet.

[flint python]

[neon bronze]

My brain and wifi can't catch up to this knowledge

[honest moon]

There's a kearsarge gun?

[neon bronze]

Yeees

It has a bit longer loading time compared to the funny

460mm AP gun

basically the HE equivalent

[lusty hill]

19k backline

[deft escarp]

[hidden robin]

19k?

looks weak as fook

no

19k means that setup is weak

iirc i've seen 20k and they're even weaker than a tampon

here's one of dem kek

[ocean quest]

z flag my beloved

[hollow walrus]

I mean they can reach 20k by just slapping 3 Z flags on the backline

Doesn't make that setup good tho

[stable dawn]

z flag is meta now

higher up tech

[deft escarp]

Z Flag has a hidden passive that halves torpedo damage received

[zenith lantern]

Shima still one shotting everything then

[deft escarp]

[neon bronze]

shima diff

lel

[deft escarp]

It's -50% torp dmg received by the entire fleet

And it stacks with torp bulge

[zenith lantern]

Put it on VV, Shima still one-shots

Why do you think 72K HP Enty hasn't been seen in the meta since Shima was released?

[scenic tendon]

What even is a 72k HP Enty?

okay I foun it

[zenith lantern]

Shima food

[sudden slate]

Me at rank 2189

[sour oasis]

Just get AotN and fall asleep

[scenic tendon]

Carrot?

[neon bronze]

she just specializes in

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-exterminatus-target-gif-16226006

i was surprised at the torp meme discussion that yukikaze/mako reizei and pink sugar had

[brazen socket]

thoughts on expo ticket aux?

[flint python]

[brazen socket]

[steady dawn]

If you want speed, 3 isn't likely to help all that much

Plus you can't +13 it

Kinda a nothing burger

[neon bronze]

for speed, just spam either boiler; gyro or a mix of both gears depends if you use WNT flagship

8 spd on boiler and gyro compared to 3 spd on this new gear

[steady dawn]

Get shoes from war archives

If you dont have the gold speed event gears already, I don't fully remember them all but think one was Kizuna collab

[neon bronze]

the bear one?

[valid oxide]

One was in ryza Collab too

400hp 4 speed iirc

[hidden robin]

the bear one does not even give extra speed on +13

what a bullshit

[deft escarp]

That shit was nightmare fuel lmao

PvP back then is worse than it is now

[neon bronze]

I find that pvp is accessible to some... does Pvp in the past rely on a lot more event ships then compared to today?

[deft escarp]

You guys are blessed with the fact that you can easily make a meta comp with perma ships and not be gated as much by missing out on event gear/ships

[deft escarp]

More event ships and gear

Not only that, research queue didn't exist so researching ships and and PR gear took a lot longer

[neon bronze]

[deft escarp]

Nagato and Amagi were locked behind two different events

Same for HPFCR and VH Armor Plate

You couldn't just queue a bunch of 1h gear research then dip

You have to constantly check your phone every hour

Not having queue also meant you couldn't stack those reserches while sleeping too

Good luck getting a meta comp researching FdG and Azuma at the same time while also waiting for Amagi and Nagato to rerun

[neon bronze]

while today those same 2 DRs are literally coinable

old players really had it hard...

i joined at the tail end of 2020, so i didn't really experience it that much

[light crystal]

anyone using dev 20 kearsarge yet? 200 bp's should've been doable for most now

[deft escarp]

Torp meme comp also involved Noshiro which was another event locked ship

[fickle echo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1095704435822444576/1137574887687458886/1691233066061373.png

[light crystal]

summary of spicy hot takes?

[fickle echo]

We'll never know what the video was about, it's gone forever

[light crystal]

wtf

he took it down already?

[fickle echo]

The higher ups must have threatened him

[deft escarp]

Nowadays you can just start a new account, set PR2 catch up to FdG and coin her then set to PR4 priority for Anchorage

Raise, Hiryuu and Juneau too

Oh yeah, Harbin in PR5 as well

Hiryuu, FdG, Anchorage, Harbin, Juneau

You then just need to fill in one ship for backline

[deft escarp]

@neon bronze

For event gear there's black dildo which is copeable

[autumn quest]

[hollow walrus]

Btw when was this uploaded. It might be possible to find a way to find it again using the Wayback Machine

[fickle echo]

I dunno when it was uploaded. Ask @flint python who took the screenshot

[light crystal]

I have 200 Kearsarge BP's. But she's lv100/90Aff.

All skills are maxed tho ofc, and I think she's useable at Dev 200, so I have half a mind of trying her out very soon

btw, did u see YD's twitter? posted a backside of Kearsarge, turns out she's more an android than I thought lol

/ydh2101/status/1689631142075576320

[brazen socket]

LMAO ALREADY?

Thats his fastest delete

Holy shit he must have been humbled real fast

[flint python]

deleted after a couple minutes

[brazen socket]

You gotta respect nguyen, atleast he deletes his shit whenever he knows he is wrong as fuck

[brazen socket]

(so 90% of his videos)

[stable dawn]

why does he make them in the first place then

[steel coral]

much like a slot machine, quyet likes to gamble on whether he's right or not

[brazen socket]

he very much did not gamble well with plymouth

and his gear lab review video

[neon bronze]

rn i'm waiting for 2nd one

[flint python]

just wait for dev 30 he will make a vid for sure

[pseudo copper]

It got taken out before the 5 min mark

He's now deleting videos before release, so we can't keep track anymore tbh

[lusty hill]

He should make a video at every dev level comparing it from ranger to shinano

[whole salmon]

Wait why did he compare her to Shinano

Wtf did that have to do with anything

Even in a pve standpoint, wtf

From a pvp standpoint, it makes even less sense

[fickle echo]

How would I know what Quyet thinks? Or if he thinks at all

[deft escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/cwc-gif-23646753

[brazen socket]

How do you guys think shimanto would perform vs harbin in pvp

Would harbin be more valuable since smoke

[hollow walrus]

one other issue would be that Shimanto doesn't get preload torps

[brazen socket]

oh shit she doesnt

[stable dawn]

yeah big sad

missed opportunity

[lusty hill]

can I get eos

[fickle echo]

[stable dawn]

[hollow walrus]

aren't you Avrora?

and isn't Avrora like 2590 top10 cutoff over the past seasons

[stable dawn]

man I wish I was Avrora. Then I could finally 1v1 Kenny

[hollow walrus]

lel

[lusty hill]

then how to get eos on avrora

I literally did everything right except losing sleep

do i have to do collusion?

[flint python]

lel

[hollow walrus]

just move to lexi /j

[fickle echo]

Move to LE, you don't need to bag if there's no movers

[neon bronze]

well you can give it a try

[pseudo copper]

You don't even need to avoid overcaps, so little players you catch up immediately

[sand apex]

I think i overcapped 4 times at least this season

[light crystal]

[valid oxide]

I overcapped for like 8 attempts at the start of the season then gave up

I have MLB NJ now though so surely I'll get AotN

And a 457, can't forget 457

Aotn next season if I don't give up in the first 3 days (I can only dream)

[fickle echo]

But do you have the most important thing for AotN?

Shima

[valid oxide]

No

[fickle echo]

Then you'll have to hack the game to get AotN without Shima

[valid oxide]

Harb wife can carry me to AotN

[hollow walrus]

Impossible

Everyone knows Shima is mandatory for AoTN

[valid oxide]

Hold on I'll get my fleet just a minute

Totally amazing fleet

Wait shit no that's not up to date

Forgot +11 on WNT and avi gas

It's too scuffed I know

[fickle echo]

Why +12 radar? Did you get it to +12 before Fairy Magic was released?

[valid oxide]

+12 for Eva on Helena

I do some PvE

But I do have fairy magic

Not my highest prio when I can just use helenas radar for NJ

[neon bronze]

You unironically using those USS magtorps?

[valid oxide]

I'll use teatorp on harb when we get noctis archive

[gritty quiver]

pins doc has a bunch of equips, but whys there 2 sets of gear for each ship

am i missing something

[ocean quest]

its just gear options in 2x2 quadrants isnt it?

[hollow walrus]

wdym 2 sets of gears? it's generally 4 equips: 1 optimal, 2 that are viable and the one in red that's situationally useful

[gritty quiver]

ouh so thats what the colours meant

thanks

[hidden robin]

hmmm is it better to run the new magnetic torp + rainbow torp now compared to teatorp + black torp?

i mean, on Harbin

[zenith lantern]

Tea Torp + Black Torp is better

The black torp slows down the torps which makes them a lot more accurate

[hidden robin]

but, isn't the new torp already slow?

new torp is also Acoustic Homing, and the black torp just change 1st torp load as such same AH anyway

[stable dawn]

it has a weird interaction actually

new torp + black torp makes the first salvo doubly slow

[hidden robin]

oh?

[stable dawn]

but really the main reason tea torp + black torp is better is because tea torp launches 1 more torp

more damage

just better

[fickle echo]

It isn't slow enough, even on Duca without black torp it can't change the target if it misses because the torp speed is still too high

[modern kestrel]

💀 this game does NOT want me to get out of rear admiral

[lusty hill]

try sandbagging next time

[neon bronze]

you overcapped a lot

try doing all your exercises

[modern kestrel]

What do those terms mean lol

[hollow walrus]

overcap = miss/lose some exercises
sandbagging = waiting to attack until someone on your list is a bonus

[pseudo copper]

It's just miss

Losing is just losing

[tawny parcel]

Warspite in 2023

[neon bronze]

Aegir tech. Very interesting

[valid oxide]

Warspite is still tolerable

I used to use her before I had fdg

[whole salmon]

That’s on Little E

[neon bronze]

Well yeah. He's in Lil E anyway

[whole salmon]

Wouldn’t work on other servers

[valid oxide]

, worked for me on amagi

[whole salmon]

He was about to lose as well

If Agir didn’t spot the Hiryuu

He would have lost

[pseudo copper]

Did you eos?

[neon bronze]

You were fighting non-bagger fleets then

excluding mine anyway

[valid oxide]

No I gave up a few days into the season as always

[pseudo copper]

So doesn't matter

[valid oxide]

I'll totally eos now I have NJ

[pseudo copper]

Next season?

I'll be throwing most of the year

[valid oxide]

I'll totally not give up a few days into next season after major overcapping

[pseudo copper]

Just don't overcap

Ez

[valid oxide]

Why, your Def fleet is the only one to give me a PvP time over 1 minute

(that actually lead me to overcap 2 )

[pseudo copper]

I've been throwing the entire year so far p much

Light bagging and only making aotn climb come backs

[valid oxide]

Still less throwy than me

[pseudo copper]

My definition is different

[tawny parcel]

dumb question but how does warspite work? does her mark make my other BBs target on the backline

[pseudo copper]

All allied main fleet Royal Navy ships' auto aim will have an increased chance of targeting the ship targeted by this barrage.

[tawny parcel]

i know but when there is no warspite in the fleet my BBs tend to shoot on the frontline instead

[pseudo copper]

Just your rng

[neon bronze]

BBs randomly choose their target

Bit annoying when it targets an Anchorage (or NJ) who got their Manjuu proc'd already.

[scenic tendon]

@whole salmon suggest me a chill sleep schedule

[neon bronze]

what he does is set alarms that go off during sleep

just before set 1 reset happens

wake up, move, then sleep again

iirc

he's your countryman iirc, so it should work provided you don't sleep like a log

[hidden robin]

for me that would create a subconscious habit

a week later my hand would turn off the alarm without me being aware about it, it was like i was still sleeping.

[whole salmon]

Set 1: Sleep from like 9-10pm to 1:30am, wakes up and do pvp then go back to sleep

Set 2:

• Class: Wakes up at like 5:45 or 6:00, go to class and do pvp before class starts
• No class: Wakes up at 7:00, do pvp then eat breakfast, go back to sleep

Set 3: Should be during noon so no need to worry need to worry about sleep schedule, just set alarm so you don’t forget since you might be busy with class or work

Most people have Monophasic Sleep

What I do is Polyphasic Sleep

So I can still get my hours in

[whole salmon]

But you don’t have to follow this, could just rush set 1 and wake up early for set 2

This is what another top pvp player from Asia does

[neon bronze]

[whole salmon]

I only did this because my schedule was already a mess during my days of University Entrance exams

[neon bronze]

sleep chart

[whole salmon]

Unable to change it back, I basically kept it

[scenic tendon]

Prettt much like mine

[scenic tendon]

Same reason

I sleep from 3pm to 6pm, then 11pm to 1:45pm, 2:30am to 6am

Even more than 8 hrs a day

But I feel... tired

[flint python]

sleep meta

[scenic tendon]

Imagine getting better grade marks by doing pvp

[candid sluice]

people doing too much just for azur lane points 💀

[hidden robin]

perhaps there's no grass or weed around their home.

[scenic tendon]

only rice fields

[hidden robin]

that's even better! Apart from the rice you can catch the mice that specially live in the rice field

[scenic tendon]

[hidden robin]

quite delicious when roasted.

[scenic tendon]

they are all dead

[hidden robin]

...

[scenic tendon]

Rodenticide

fricking rats

[valid oxide]

@novel spoke

[neon bronze]

rats rats

we are the rats

celebrating another birthday bash

[flint python]

oh no

off topic in pvp

[stable dawn]

no, rats are on topic. Everyone who pvps is a rat by default.

🐀

[scenic tendon]

Damn rat birthday mixtape

Nice taste of music ngl, Beth.

[scenic tendon]

A rat correction

[tacit fox]

first time getting aotn

[stable dawn]

congrats

[candid sluice]

Good job

[trail temple]

https://tenor.com/view/evangelion-clapping-clapping-hands-japan-sea-gif-13300627

(Not sarcasm btw)

[empty mesa]

[neon bronze]

[lusty hill]

Congrats

[merry vale]

[scenic tendon]

I like this anime's OP song

[brazen socket]

I need the server for this emote

[merry vale]

I just stole it

[brazen socket]

nvm just found out how to steal

[merry vale]

[neon bronze]

[lusty hill]

:Congrats:

[gusty cipher]

I see some ppl use Luna for backline instead of shinano what's up with that?

[hollow walrus]

isn't that the CN comp?

Think @whole salmon has more about it

[gusty cipher]

I'm not playing on CN if that's what you're insinuating

[whole salmon]

Luna was only ever used in triple CV on CN

Some testings of her had it be a Aquila Chise substitute

Other than that she wasn’t used in any double BB comp

Aside from people on Little Enty ofc

Other servers still run MSN, Yakuza, triple BB like usual

[gusty cipher]

I'm on Lexington

Idk then ppl trying out ig

[whole salmon]

Case in point

Don’t take Luna comps seriously

Gridman comp has more potential

[gusty cipher]

Why would i? I dumpster on fleets with luna

[whole salmon]

Luna comp aren’t that common tho

I only saw like 2 this scene, both in non serious scenarios

[hollow walrus]

then again Lexi still has a lot of Mafia def fleets

[whole salmon]

We do?

At higher ranks, triple BB seems more common now

With a few Yakuza comps

Only a handful runs MSN

[gusty cipher]

What does mafia def fleet mean

[whole salmon]

The triple Italians

That have long been outdated

[fickle echo]

Aquila Veneto and Duca

[whole salmon]

If you want to see more of those, Washington have them

[hollow walrus]

idk I've seen a lot of Mafia still recently

I do agree that 3BB is the most common now

[gusty cipher]

Is there a way to see what fleet you lost or won against. After the pvp?

I sometimes lose and i never check the fleet so i wanna see what fleets i lose to.

I lose like 2% of the battles

[fickle echo]

The only way is checking the name on the screen right after you lose, aside from that there isn't any other

[gusty cipher]

Ah right i can do that

Thanks

[fickle echo]

Some evil people wish there was a notification for every opponent they defeat

[hollow walrus]

inb4 they add pvp matches history

[neon bronze]

Spammed with randos losing against your fleets bcs of level issue alone

lel

[junior beacon]

Spammed with randos bullying my level 10 lolis

[fickle echo]

Just use level 125 lolis

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1064232037797597324/1064408519308234792/Screenshot_20230116-0151072.png

[hollow walrus]

but warspite isn't loli tho

[whole salmon]

Harbin Fate

Now that’s interesting news

[steel coral]

all she's gonna get is "enhanced barrage"

[fickle echo]

Guys, is Clemenceau good in pvp?

[hollow walrus]

guys is Clemenceau good for pvp 📣 📣

[neon bronze]

Guys, is Clemenceau good for PvP?

[lusty hill]

Harbin will get an extra torps and her torp will do 2x damage and will turn magnetic regardless of the torp and do 2x more damage if it hit a DD

[winged depot]

[tacit fox]

Or insta proc buff stacks

[brazen socket]

Guys, is pvp good for clemenceau? 📣

[lusty hill]

pvp isn't good for anyone

[copper dome]

Oh god then why am I here

[ancient raptor]

To suffer.

[hidden robin]

how about just make her torp having 10% to insta-kill

[flint python]

she gives permanent eva rate to vanguard 👍

[valid oxide]

What?

[stable dawn]

wish granted
but it's +2% and only activates after 45s.

[valid oxide]

I am happy for funny pr5 fate Sims

[brazen socket]

Harbin fs5, for each torp she lands it reduces her torp cooldown by 20%

(This skill activation has no cooldown)

[lusty hill]

Every time harbin fire her main gun she also fire her torps

[pseudo copper]

Serenity coping harder than ever

[deft escarp]

Still no Anchorage I see

[merry vale]

[junior trench]

Harbin’s new FS5 “for every torpe she lands, make Anchorage invincible for 3 seconds (stackable)”

[vivid fox]

PvP is joke

[empty mesa]

Fr fr.

[fickle echo]

[junior trench]

Meta is a myth, PvP is a joke. We are all pawns, controlled by something greater

[valid oxide]

Controlled by the higher ups

[junior trench]

Expose someone to PvP long enough, they will learn to hate.

[stable dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/monsoon-monsoon-mgr-mgr-mgrr-metal-gear-gif-25474330

[junior trench]

Monsoon, turning Sundays into Mondays. How evil.

[vivid fox]

U already have monday?

Rip

[coral wren]

How we on top preload main fleet picks?

Is VV Aquila X + Duca still relevant?

[stable dawn]

no, it fell off hard after Musashi release

check the pinned doc from SaltyArrow for updated fleet comps/gear

[lusty hill]

Extremely strong fleet, stronger than any MSN or yakuza I've ever encountered. Literally took me more than 5 minutes and I only managed to beat it because their NJ died early. Manjuu on NJ and hiryuu is peak stall fleet

[winged depot]

[lusty hill]

I think the higher up should reconsider getting meeb on tier 0 again

[stable dawn]

that's not even meeb. No musashi

[lusty hill]

I forgot lol

[winged depot]

weeb

kaya out here advertising weeb again

[lusty hill]

whatever it is maybe worth retiering to tier 0

[stable dawn]

weeb dropped off because shima just deletes it

could be the reason you had trouble tbh

no shima

[winged depot]

true, no shima

[lusty hill]

that doesn't explain why I'm struggling with this fleet but can beat MSN easily

[stable dawn]

what fleet are you running

[lusty hill]

milf with harbin and juneau

someone told me to ditch ayanami

[stable dawn]

show gear

the harbin/juneau setup requires proper timings or juneau will die late and your backline won't get healed

oh yeah also a good time to say, the old fleetmaker has been forked and maintained by a new dev

https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/

[spiral owl]

125 oathed with double boilers

[stable dawn]

oh cool they even changed the oath icon

it was still the old one a few days ago

[lusty hill]

harbin got UR gun and juneau got the straight mag

[valid oxide]

Use the new one which has all of the new gears on it

[fickle echo]

Why aren't using the other module on Harbin when it doesn't stack and you already have it on Juneau?

[lusty hill]

what do you mean?

[fickle echo]

The crossbow

[valid oxide]

Use the sword aug on harb

[stable dawn]

oof your backline is still +10 auxes

[lusty hill]

I'm pretty sure it won't make any difference

[valid oxide]

Probably not as bad as mine

[stable dawn]

no rainbow gun on ancho unlucky

tbh though

against CV heavy comps, you could run the quad mags

since ancho would launch as the airstrikes hit

[lusty hill]

my beaver is +13

[stable dawn]

thereby dodging the airstrike so to speak

[lusty hill]

didn't know that

[fickle echo]

Extra rld and hit won't make difference for a torp ship?

[stable dawn]

torp swapping is the real higher-up tech

[lusty hill]

ok then I'll try it

[stable dawn]

[lusty hill]

I thought fast torp is the norm since everyone use triple BB nowadays

I'll use quad mag if I encounter another meeb

[stable dawn]

during the transition period where yakuza was still common I just swapped torps depending on the enemy team lol

blue for triple BB, mags for MSN, HYMEN, and Yakuza

really didn't see much weeb or meeb

but should be the same idea

[fickle echo]

The reason blue torps is the most used is because Harbin's smoke has the same timing as the quad torps Ancho

[stable dawn]

oh right you have harbin

when in doubt stack speed

gotta go fast

[neon bronze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1089225195220389948/1113636005648531499/ezgif.com-apng-to-gif.gif

this fast

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/shimakaze-azurlane-akairo-gif-13924558

[valid oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/seseren-azur-lane-gif-26475673

[trail temple]

He has Manjuu on Ancho btw

and uses Frontier medal

[whole salmon]

This is why I say you should have 1 CV for consistency sake

3 BBs has the advantage of being fast

But you can get walled or lose

Due to some inconsistency against stall fleet

And it’s not just you

Aldarn and Ari also mentioned how 3 BBs can be inconsistent at times

And yeah try putting Manjuu on Ancho, you need to win frontline fight in that case

Tho if enemy used Frontier Medal, gonna be difficult

[stable dawn]

wasn't that due to some weirdness from the recent patch though

[whole salmon]

Possible

But it is still something worth noting

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

Both Ari and Aldarn tested against my fleet so it wasn’t BIS

BIS MSN on Lexington is still the infamous waller Plasma

[stable dawn]

the great wall of plasma

[flint python]

hear me out

[zenith lantern]

I always beat Plasma first try.. Beat you first try earlier today too so I dunno. We’ll see when I inevitably roll one of you in 30mins

[candid sluice]

who won this season??

[flint python]

unultra

[fickle echo]

The higher ups won

[late heath]

Totally me

[winged depot]

kashino won

[late heath]

[stable dawn]

envy did

[zenith lantern]

As predicted

[meager oak]

....who?

[whole salmon]

You didn’t get bonus

So technically he won

[meager oak]

Is that the real one tho?

[candid sluice]

is beating people first time not a normal occurence?

[pseudo copper]

Truly the pvp fleet

[meager oak]

.... you're in amagi?

[winged depot]

amogus

[pseudo copper]

Where else would I be?

[neon bronze]

[scenic tendon]

How to start pvping?

[steel coral]

my bed

[scenic tendon]

Can I join with my lvl 13 account?

[final pulsar]

can I join ?

[scenic tendon]

[winged depot]

bloodie

[final pulsar]

[scenic tendon]

I think I met Pink Sugar twice the last set

[meager oak]

Effing amagi filled with walls

[scenic tendon]

try Sandy

The only wall def fleet is mine

[late heath]

Great Wall of Kashino

[scenic tendon]

sht

I have Image Ban perm

[winged depot]

[scenic tendon]

and I was about to crop that role and send it there

lol

so dumb

[pseudo copper]

[meager oak]

I did 4 refreshes

[final pulsar]

[meager oak]

All I saw was Zwei + mech memes

That and msn

~~125 ~~

[pseudo copper]

Amagi only has under 10 def fleets that matter

[meager oak]

....do I have a birthmark or something

[scenic tendon]

its okay

just bagging till the final set

you will meet some good wall fleets to try

probably

[meager oak]

I managed to crack Zwei anyways

Dude got below d20 ancho

[pseudo copper]

Bisshit is free win

[scenic tendon]

1 good preload tea torp = zwei's gone

[steel coral]

[whole salmon]

Don’t know why CN chose these gears on Rikka but I replicated it for testing

I don’t expect that much from this comp

[stable dawn]

[scenic tendon]

@whole salmon I reached the goal I wanted. Time to get a better sleep schedule from now 💀

Have fun.

[stable dawn]

Quit while you still can.
Before the collusionists get you

[whole salmon]

What was the goal? Aotn or eos?

[neon bronze]

r1 sandy iirc

also r5 in your server as well

[scenic tendon]

#1 EoS

took me 2 seasons

[whole salmon]

Dats stonk

[scenic tendon]

and sleep deprivation

[flint python]

higher up tech

[scenic tendon]

sounds like NJ's foods

but yeah

these torps are scary af

[neon bronze]

wtf triple invul backline

[scenic tendon]

damn

I forgot I have image ban perm lol

[steel coral]

torps didn't do much on defense

vanguard always died before NJ shot

[flint python]

imma set something up can you test

gonna oath ancho for goldburn timing

[whole salmon]

It is an interesting concept

It has been done before

I myself have tested it but it was a year ago

It probably isn’t as good now

[neon bronze]

how's the winrates

[whole salmon]

Back then it was decent but not top wr

Currently then it is probably worse than it was back then

[scenic tendon]

just nuke NJ before she shots your vang

[steel coral]

manjuu

[brazen socket]

if I dont have 2 +13 wyverns for shinano for MSN what should I use instead? i'm resorting back to triple bb

[torpid shuttle]

isnt that just using 2 +10 wyverns

[brazen socket]

saw something earlier in this channel that you'd want +13 wyvs but wanted to make double sure

[flint python]

breguet

[trail temple]

You can cope with breguet in the 1st slot since it's a plane slot, if you're lacking wyverns, otherwise a +10 in the first slot is fine.

If you were using weeb or meeb, that's where you need 2 +13 wyverns (the other for hiryuu)

[brazen socket]

ahh then i'm fine

[neon bronze]

Meeb

[flint python]

Yamato gonna make meeb better

[lusty hill]

Yamato will make all yamato class get double preload and do 50% more damage and 2x damage if the target is DD

[steel coral]

and you won't pull her

[stable dawn]

so you're saying she does no extra damage to backline enemies?