pvp

[flint python]

must be some scuffed stuff

[scenic tendon]

and normal comps if I see Yakuza

[flint python]

I mean manjuu nj isn't that bad tbh

[valid oxide]

Pearl manjuu Juneau

Or some other cope shit like that

[scenic tendon]

manjuu nj is suitable for msn tho

[scenic tendon]

its a gyro and a boiler

[brazen socket]

it really isnt lol people with skill issue just mald

and its funny to see mald

[scenic tendon]

if you dont know manjuu nj is the meta in cn

[brazen socket]

but then you mald cause people steamroll your comp

[valid oxide]

CN

[brazen socket]

bc you decided to run manjuu nj

[scenic tendon]

for my 3 bbs I just run manjuu anchorage

[flint python]

cn meta is weird in the first place

[scenic tendon]

more time to reveal the cv/cvls

[flint python]

[scenic tendon]

it actually works pretty well

CN even developed 3 cvs to counter 3 bbs

[brazen socket]

Didn't cn have that weird thing where they run no gun musashi

[scenic tendon]

I think they dont

[brazen socket]

then I believe I have fallen for misinformation

[scenic tendon]

But EN did have UvH no gun

[flint python]

sandy have slow musashi

[scenic tendon]

I saw that once

lmao

[flint python]

in Amagi we have SoDak

[scenic tendon]

sadly

I play on Sandy

😭

[brazen socket]

condolences

[valid oxide]

Even my cope shit kills mafia (quadmags are USS and Juneau gun is 100kai)

You have no excuse when you have triple BB

[candid sluice]

💀

[flint python]

mafia is free win anyway

[deft escarp]

Wtf, no

[scenic tendon]

i mean it is

[scenic tendon]

and wtf even is that torp choices

[deft escarp]

Why not try going against my MSN

[flint python]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/610601940639809542/1078506136149430422/914343838162780241.gif

[deft escarp]

[scenic tendon]

because the comp itself is also msn

[valid oxide]

USN magtorps are better than German quadmags

[flint python]

most can form top comps but their gear are shit

[deft escarp]

I thought you had FdG, NJ and Musashi?

[valid oxide]

Which is why I run them (also website outdated )

[scenic tendon]

I was speaking about the nj manjuu in CN meta and how useful it is

not in my comp

[valid oxide]

I have NJ but waiting for next month to get her last bulin

[deft escarp]

NJ Manjuu is mid lol

[scenic tendon]

I use manjuu ancho to buy time

[scenic tendon]

its actually good in getting another salvos

ngl

[valid oxide]

Also gonna try the funky gridman fleet some point next month if I'm not lazy and actually fast

[deft escarp]

Tried it myself, similar results to washing machine while making Anchorage die faster

[scenic tendon]

lmao

you play on Sandy, and your Anchorage is still dying?

[valid oxide]

That's really cope

[scenic tendon]

💀

[scenic tendon]

hey

atleast you dont have to do the timing to reset the match

lmao

[flint python]

it's only good if you can wipe enemy vanguard fast

[deft escarp]

There are some competent fleets

[flint python]

so the battle is accelerated

and nj can reload fast for backline dueling

[scenic tendon]

yes, thats the point

sort of

[valid oxide]

Wdym

[deft escarp]

There was someone who used MSN with Shinano flag using Frontier Medal instead of WNT

[flint python]

well goodluck consistently wiping vanguards fast

[scenic tendon]

you have 8s

before completely losing

lmao

[valid oxide]

8s on what

[deft escarp]

Besides that fleet I didn't really need to reset

[scenic tendon]

manjuu time?

oh

dang i forgot

some seconds

yes 8 sec

you can literally chilling

[deft escarp]

DCP NJ die at similar times for me

[valid oxide]

Don't you also have manjuu

[scenic tendon]

different things

[deft escarp]

It's better off being used on Anchorage

[scenic tendon]

manjuu in my comps and cn comps

[flint python]

I run manjuu nj nad 818 chise in my grindmeme fleet

[scenic tendon]

since I dont have Shimakaze so I have to stall

[flint python]

if that makes you happy

[deft escarp]

[valid oxide]

I don't have shima either

[deft escarp]

Wait, I have Harbin now lol

Ig I'll give her a try

[scenic tendon]

k sure

[valid oxide]

Theres this ship called Aya who works as a preload dump

[scenic tendon]

shes just too fragile

and rng

[valid oxide]

And the other torp substitutes are aight ig

[deft escarp]

What fleet are you running?

[valid oxide]

I dislike Aya so I used noshiro for a while

[flint python]

just run gridmeme if no shima

[scenic tendon]

3 bbs/msn

[valid oxide]

I am considering gridmeme for next month if I can level them fast enough

[scenic tendon]

dont ask more

[deft escarp]

[valid oxide]

They are running milf with a stall frontline for some reason

[scenic tendon]

what is your username in Sandy

[deft escarp]

Wait what

[scenic tendon]

Are you bagging so I can ping you for some bonus points?

[flint python]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/610601940639809542/1078506136149430422/914343838162780241.gif

[scenic tendon]

the reason is called Shimakaze-less

[deft escarp]

Not too knowledgeable on vanguards ngl

[valid oxide]

Musashi fdg NJ but using Juneau instead of an aggro vanguard

[deft escarp]

[scenic tendon]

i'd better using juneau instead of noshiro, aya lmao

better utility

[deft escarp]

Ig another torp vanguard would be better?

[valid oxide]

Just run nosh harb

[flint python]

just run ancho harbin juneau

[scenic tendon]

I do have harbing

[valid oxide]

Juneau in triple BB is

[scenic tendon]

that's what im doing rn mate 💀

[flint python]

why

[scenic tendon]

you dont have much choice

[valid oxide]

Slow

[scenic tendon]

and imo, I evaluate Juneau more than Noshiro, Yukikaze and Ayanami

[deft escarp]

There's no reason as to why you even need to put Juneau at the front vs mafia

[scenic tendon]

i found it works better somehow

[valid oxide]

The point of triple BB is to kill the frontline faster

Which wins the game

[deft escarp]

It's probably an issue with your gear then

[scenic tendon]

its just standard gears

indeed

[deft escarp]

Can you show gear?

[valid oxide]

Show your "standard gear" that you are struggling against mafia with

[scenic tendon]

tf im not struggling with anything

[deft escarp]

I don't think not having Shima should make such an impact against mafia comps

[flint python]

stall is like

the 2nd choice you have if you don't have agro using milf

[deft escarp]

If anything, Harbin smoke would probably make your vanguard even tankier compared to having Shima there

[valid oxide]

I was killing mafia back when I had like nosh as my only torp ship

And I was running sushi hiryuu warkai

[scenic tendon]

you have a cv

[deft escarp]

And with the durability of your backline ships there's no way they'd get killed off so quickly

[scenic tendon]

in your comp

[valid oxide]

And I didn't even have wyvern

[scenic tendon]

its all about the vanguard

[valid oxide]

And?

[deft escarp]

The only one vulnerable to getting destroyed there is NJ if she gets sniped by Shima

[scenic tendon]

Aquila can survive and 3 bbs is...

[valid oxide]

Yeah Aquila really isn't that much damage to need Juneau to die

[deft escarp]

If it's about vanguard then you should have the advantage there considering that you have Anchorage and Harbin smoke along with Juneau AA against Aquila preload

[flint python]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/610601940639809542/1078506136149430422/914343838162780241.gif

[scenic tendon]

and if Juneau wont proc, my backline just takes lots of damage

[deft escarp]

VV would then be your biggest issue which shouldn't be too much of a problem

[valid oxide]

Aquila really isn't much damage

[scenic tendon]

so I need Juneau to die first

[deft escarp]

Ye

[scenic tendon]

man

[valid oxide]

Aquila was only significant damage when I was running warkai

[scenic tendon]

just try

im just speaking about my experiences

[valid oxide]

I don't need to try when my shitty comp can do it without Juneau tank

[scenic tendon]

because its your comp

not mine

[flint python]

juneau already dies fast in offtank

[scenic tendon]

wtf?

[deft escarp]

Yeah

[scenic tendon]

in mafia's encounter shes not

[flint python]

?

[deft escarp]

Ig it's probably because mafia fleets in this server is not geared that well which paradoxically made it harder for him?

[scenic tendon]

sometimes my anchorage just... dies first and I dont have that much power to finish their vanguard at the same time

so Aquila aint be revealed

bad rng ig

[valid oxide]

Just +13 kicks and manjuu

[deft escarp]

By not being geared well Juneau dies later which led to this problem I think

[scenic tendon]

I dont have that much resources lmao

[deft escarp]

[valid oxide]

Aquila should be revealed since triple BB should win the vanguard fight

This is too much cope even for me

[scenic tendon]

nah, if my bbs decides to fight other bbs instead

and Aquila is still...

chilling

and if my Anchorage dies first, then I really have no way to reveal Aquila

they all run aggro tho

[flint python]

Imagine 3bb vs bugged gridmeme

[valid oxide]

I hope it never gets fixed

[flint python]

even if it's fixed it's good

robot is light armor only threat is nj he barrage

[valid oxide]

Wait so does it make the vanguard tankier than it should be

[valid oxide]

Considering that yume is like Portland+ in terms of tankiness

[scenic tendon]

here is my standard gear

pretty much casual

[flint python]

robot stats are 3x of rikka's FP and Torp , combined HP of yume and rikka , rest of stats are rikka's like aa eva etc

[valid oxide]

This is my vanguard except mine has shittier gear and ancho + harb are oathed

[scenic tendon]

you're rich

lmao

[valid oxide]

Nah I have way shittier gear

[deft escarp]

Should be using teatorp+black dildo on Harbin and Secks AA on Anchorage

[scenic tendon]

i dont have that black things

[deft escarp]

Secks AA on all 3 of them ig?

[scenic tendon]

situational

[valid oxide]

Could do staag on harb if only 2 sex AA

[flint python]

just swap ancho and harbin aa

[scenic tendon]

wont it be a problem?

[deft escarp]

AA seggs on Anchorage and Juneau while Staag on Harbin instead then

[valid oxide]

Yeah like my cope shit fleet

[scenic tendon]

113mm is also a choice...

when mixing with aa segg

ngl

[scenic tendon]

and anchorage is just a better gunner and has less aa than Harbin

[deft escarp]

This is what I'm using rn

[scenic tendon]

you know what

I only see that 4.5k gems

and Shinano without oathing

[deft escarp]

[scenic tendon]

wtf is wrong with you @deft escarp

[valid oxide]

And I'm the rich one with my 147 gems

[deft escarp]

I only oath waifus

[scenic tendon]

go away

[flint python]

donate 300 cog arrays pls

[scenic tendon]

I only oath mommy

[deft escarp]

Ig I was too sleep deprived when I oathed NJ though

[flint python]

nice excuse

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/610601940639809542/1078506136149430422/914343838162780241.gif

[scenic tendon]

beaver might be better on Musashi

[deft escarp]

Honestly idk what I was thinking when I oathed her

[scenic tendon]

but if you want the wnt effect then... you do it

[valid oxide]

You have no right to criticise when you run Juneau tank against mafia

[scenic tendon]

go away

[valid oxide]

No

[deft escarp]

I bet I could pull a win out of my ass with Namagiryuu vs mafia

[scenic tendon]

so annoying fr

[valid oxide]

Wouldn't surprise me

I could test that if I had nagato actually

[deft escarp]

Would be interesting if Yamato has Amagi's evasion rate buff ngl

[scenic tendon]

aint nagato in medal shop?

[flint python]

percy beats mafia

tier 0

[valid oxide]

Percy cringe

Chise gud

[pseudo copper]

Percy is meta

[valid oxide]

So anyway I think my next major change to my PvP fleet is trying gridmeme

[scenic tendon]

when will Cheshire be the meta?

[deft escarp]

Something like Nagato barrage with 100% proc rate, 30% dmg reduction and a better version of Nagato's buff

Basically Nagato retrofit

[pseudo copper]

When they change pvp hull bonuses to favour CA

[deft escarp]

[valid oxide]

Nagato retro

[scenic tendon]

but Yamato aint the faction leader

[valid oxide]

Maybe nagato aug

[deft escarp]

Who is?

[scenic tendon]

so she shouldnt not have that major faction buff

[flint python]

yamato
skill 1 : Hotel Yamato

[deft escarp]

Nagato already has a pretty broken buff

[pseudo copper]

Me

[valid oxide]

Neither is prince of Wales but she is currently the best USS buffer

[scenic tendon]

Yamato has an F in AA rating fr

[flint python]

free win spotted

[scenic tendon]

go for it

dang i got a +3 this set

@tall edge I love you

[flint python]

even non max level gridmeme

this sht is just free

[scenic tendon]

lmao

[flint python]

Took a -1 for this

[scenic tendon]

sounds skill issue

[flint python]

already overcapped earlier anyway

[scenic tendon]

[tall edge]

love you too lol

[scenic tendon]

?

[pseudo copper]

Guys how do I play this gamemode?

[neon bronze]

Wifi issue rn

Time to play Minecraft pvp

[scenic tendon]

like me and firestormx5 are doing?

[flint python]

first, you need percy

[rocky shadow]

Interesting

[flint python]

like why would you even run tank juneau beside to trigger people

[scenic tendon]

why not?

[pseudo copper]

Being stuck in pre ancho days

[scenic tendon]

its just my experience aganist mafia comps

and i found it to be more consistent

even bad rng

[flint python]

rikka one taps her , I don't see how mafia fails to kill your juneau early

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/610601940639809542/1078506136149430422/914343838162780241.gif

[scenic tendon]

i need her to die early?

[flint python]

you said your backline is having issue cause she procs late

[scenic tendon]

thats my intention to abuse Juneau

[valid oxide]

What gear are you using on rikka?

[scenic tendon]

yes, because if putting her in the back then... she is somewhat well-protected

and I dont like that

[flint python]

you can swap some for boilers if you like

[scenic tendon]

lmao

[scenic tendon]

can we get much higher

[pseudo copper]

If you need to even consider Mafia, your comp has serious issues

[scenic tendon]

its just my things

[valid oxide]

Are you using her with yume chise or just solo

[flint python]

with ofc

[valid oxide]

What auxes are you running on yume and chise?

[rocky shadow]

Have you try gridmeme comp on high rank player?

[flint python]

pearl buldge gas wnt

[scenic tendon]

he overcapped, sadly

[valid oxide]

Chise off-flag?

[flint python]

yes

[rocky shadow]

Because i still see msn or mafia style comp in high rank player

[scenic tendon]

msn is the most well-rounded imo

no wonder

[pseudo copper]

No such thing as high rank players, just a bunch of retirees

[valid oxide]

Msn most well rounded and you still can't beat mafia without changing your fleet slightly

[scenic tendon]

high rank players wont appear at high rank till the last moment

[scenic tendon]

what the f is wrong with you?

did I say my fleet was msn?

[flint python]

high rank players don't even care changing def and just run memes

[rocky shadow]

I will see if gridmeme comp will replace msn or mafia style fleet

[flint python]

It will not

[scenic tendon]

???

[rocky shadow]

True but some still care

[pseudo copper]

None do, and Sandy way beyond dead anyways

So dead that 460 Sushi is used

[scenic tendon]

yeah

frick Sandy

[pseudo copper]

[scenic tendon]

last sandy eos was 2580

[pseudo copper]

I know

[scenic tendon]

💀

[valid oxide]

[rocky shadow]

Wait some using 460 on Musashi on Sandy?

[pseudo copper]

Yes

[scenic tendon]

@valid oxide do you ever read?

[rocky shadow]

That normal score right?

[scenic tendon]

and all the time

[flint python]

460 sashi starting to pop out in Amagi too

pausechamp

[pseudo copper]

That's low

[scenic tendon]

I was debating about revealing Aquila

[valid oxide]

I'm an EN player

Take a guess

[scenic tendon]

...

5

[rocky shadow]

Well Sandy player mostly already playing like 2 or 3 years that make sense

[pseudo copper]

So are the other servers, just a Sandy thing

[scenic tendon]

but they do have 32k fleet power

[pseudo copper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/872225981488857128/1130474595158347806/image.png

[scenic tendon]

lmao

so everyone is talking about point bonus

but how about point reduction

[rocky shadow]

Is that amagi server?

[pseudo copper]

Where else?

[scenic tendon]

but loliarmpit

???

[flint python]

at least sandy can score in EX

[scenic tendon]

Sandy has better memes

well... do we...

[rocky shadow]

Wait Essex server then

[scenic tendon]

essex after lil e?

sus

[scenic tendon]

hey you

what even is the correct answer tho

[valid oxide]

I am considering gridmeme next month and this is what I suspect I will run for gear

[scenic tendon]

6?

[valid oxide]

It was no

Because I am an en player

I do not read

[scenic tendon]

oh

[valid oxide]

[scenic tendon]

dang

that...

...

[rocky shadow]

Why not purple sushi gun?

[valid oxide]

Blue faster

[rocky shadow]

That outdated comp right (the picture)? Because why NJ not using 457 ur

[valid oxide]

Because I don't have 457

I am poor

Pls donate

[rocky shadow]

Oh i'm sorry

[valid oxide]

[rocky shadow]

I didn't know

[valid oxide]

Also technically it's a new comp made possible by the new augments

[rocky shadow]

What server are you playing?

[valid oxide]

Amagi

[rocky shadow]

Ok that normal

[valid oxide]

Wdym

[rocky shadow]

Btw how top ranking fleet in amagi?

[valid oxide]

I don't top rank because of shitty sleep schedule

[rocky shadow]

I mean the server still relative new

[pseudo copper]

You realise Amagi has everything right?

[rocky shadow]

I realize

[valid oxide]

Amagi is no longer lil E

[pseudo copper]

It never was

Amagi didn't have 2520 as first aotn eos

Lil E just opened at a bad time

[valid oxide]

2520 sounds bad

[pseudo copper]

Bc it is

Server is improving slowly

Rn 1st in 50s range

[lusty hill]

was amagi the newest server before lil e?

[pseudo copper]

Amagi t20 cutoff is soon to be 2580+ at this rate

[pseudo copper]

Yes, but Amagi is older than 3 years already

So "new" really doesn't apply

[flint python]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Yj411R7Z6/

[lusty hill]

is that a bug

bug meta

[whole salmon]

Torp Rikka

Double Black Aux torp?

Huh

[flint python]

hit stat maybe idk lol

[scenic tendon]

Open a gofundme and I will donate you a donut

[scenic tendon]

@errant star Sorry sir, is that you? If yes then do you mind moving a little bit

I'd really appreciate that

[neon bronze]

The fabled collusion

How do we tell him

[pseudo copper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749898857567223848/1049998563293282374/Beth.mp4

[trail temple]

We have gone off on the deep end and have fully embraced collusion meta

[empty mesa]

Should get at least 2600 if going this way.

[scenic tendon]

dang

im gonna eat a -1

[lusty hill]

That video would encourage collusion

[stable dawn]

collusion on ALO

[trail temple]

Kenny was the master colluder, the colluder that started it all

Never got r1

Always cucked

[lusty hill]

how can you not get r1 if you colluded

other people must have colluded against him

[whole salmon]

You made a vid?

[pseudo copper]

Not me no

[errant star]

sorry I've overslept

moved up a little

[scenic tendon]

too late

I ate a -1

okay it didnt matter

I really appreciate that you replied me

[dull hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458485823587876877/1133307462561312768/Screenshot_20230725_035716.jpg

is the trio mech team like

actaully not a meme

[whole salmon]

Yeah it actually might work

[dull hollow]

that laser does 1.4k per tick

and the super torps are like 5k+

[whole salmon]

Might not be the best but from what I have seen, it definitely does work

[dull hollow]

im not even using torp aux on rikka coz she's on my opsi mobbing

so i have her on default all gridman loadout

[whole salmon]

Tho this set up of it is interesting

[dull hollow]

finally junny and anchorage can have a rest

[whole salmon]

What I used and what most people use is Ancho and Gridman duo

But using Gridman duo as tank for Shima is an interesting concept

[dull hollow]

i always played for more burst more reset

i'd rather know if I win in this first 10s or not

instead of watching 2 anchorage slog it out

for 45s

overall winrate is only useful for the spreadsheet books

granted I havent climbed in JP for ages

it's actaully harder to find a strong def comp in JP because of how dead my server is

deadass im still fighting hood and akaga teams...

90% of the time

[whole salmon]

I still think it is worth testing

It’s performance definitely isn’t mid to low tier

[dull hollow]

yah theyre a lot tankier than I thought they would be

that Chise shield probs putting in some work

idrk how stats get converted to the giant mech

my yume 120 only rn

[whole salmon]

I think we have 2 issues currently

Chise is still fairly paper compared to Shinano

And her damage isn’t that high even with aug

[dull hollow]

tbh in a bisko/musashi era ive stopped looking at shinanos as any sort of threat

[whole salmon]

The other issue is that currently there seem to be a divide on how to properly gear Rikka

[dull hollow]

but maybe JP guys just cant gear her for shit

like I said JP pvp is more dead than akaga rn

[whole salmon]

One side has triple torp double boiler Rikka

The other uses standard Gridman gear on Rikka

[dull hollow]

im a simple man

I keep my gear the same I use in pve because im lazy

[whole salmon]

The third is 3 Boiler+ Rikka

Which is chaotic neutral

[dull hollow]

5 boiler rikka meme video

was very funny tho

i feel like the comp is decent at least

chise def seems like our best preloader rn

the issue i had with the old

NJ bisko musashi core

[whole salmon]

The funny thing is that the hit rate of the lasers seems quite okay

[dull hollow]

was like 1/10 times a random shinano comp can snipe out your frontline

[whole salmon]

And the range is huge

[dull hollow]

and you lose by default

coz no reveal on CV

with this setup so far my battles have been like

we super nuke the enemy frontline

coz chise and mech just do bongo damage

or everyone whiffs

qingque gaming

even if you whiff tho bisko and musashi core dumpster fronts

so unless your mech whiffed literally everything

you should have HP advantage when the BBs start shelling

ill play with it more

always love me a funny comp

oh I guess I can test the comp on EN too

i forgoet that my EN acc is actaully strong now

[whole salmon]

There’s a chance the Gridman comp could be meta

But it is kinda hard to recommend them going forward

Since you require all 3 and they are event exclusive

[dull hollow]

i think it'll be a contender

maybe not the best but i think it has the "reliable" burst

[whole salmon]

Newer players after this year might not have access to them

[dull hollow]

which is def useful if you're rushing (at least taht's how it used to be for me back when i rushed like 2-3 years ago)

would rather know if I win in 5s

rather than watch a 45s slog

[whole salmon]

It is the same issue as to why Maria Rose wasn’t mentioned back then

Because DOA was event exclusive

[dull hollow]

oh yah her 50% torp meme or w.e

[whole salmon]

She used to serve as substitute for the torp middle slot

[dull hollow]

Shimakaze before shimakaze

also like

im pretty sure

this mechanic will get reused

with other ships moving fwd

so the mech could just be the new kid that gets replaced

by some stupid shimakaze combined fleet thing

[whole salmon]

Luna and Tamaki also got pvp potential

Tamaki can be used at mid to high tier

While Luna can still be used as low tier substitute

[dull hollow]

wonder what our next combo ship will be

[whole salmon]

But rarely do people recommend them

[dull hollow]

can tamaki trade blows with the musashi bisko core

[whole salmon]

Since they are collab exclusive

[dull hollow]

those 2 just feel like gundams compared to the rest of the ships rn

literal generations ahead

[whole salmon]

It is possible to use Tamaki as the 3rd slot in triple BB comp

CN recommend it on their wiki and a few EN players do use it

[dull hollow]

oh yeah
i thought u meant as in some new player could try to face off vs bisashi and take a 20% win or something

[whole salmon]

JP also did some testing with Tamaki

[dull hollow]

but i guess it would be more like a

addition to core

not alternative to

wonder if kearseg dents the pvp

i kinda doubt it coz her fighters arent preload right? but they do have accelerated load

[whole salmon]

There’s 2 train of thought with Kearsarge currently

Some people think that using her would help CVs due to her ARA ability

While I and a lot of others think she fits better in triple BB comp

With using those fighters of hers for spotting

[dull hollow]

my current opinion is

due to how much damage bisushi core does vs fronts

CVs will never have a good reliable time anymore

but idk maybe jp just sucks

i should play pvp in EN more to get a better read vs top defenses

im deadass like a OCE league player trying to chime in on KR meta rn

[whole salmon]

I too don’t think CV Kearsarge can work since she requires a USS ship

If you use NJ, you miss out on Musashi

If you use USS CV, none of them are good enough

[dull hollow]

well y2 ive been told outmatches the 2IJN cv

[whole salmon]

Which seems like using triple BB with her is more favorable

[dull hollow]

but the 3rd slot is still a ???

i mean u could just go hybrid pure stat unga

kear y2 mush/bisko

but like idk what y2 is doing there

feels like CV firing cadence and damage delivery just not good in pvp anymore

[whole salmon]

Yorktown 2 definitely can’t contend with Shinano in pvp

Not because of her damage

But because of her survivability

Same reason as to why Implacable and Hakuryuu aren’t used in pvp

They aren’t tanky enough

[dull hollow]

ok i gues that means jp sucks

the amount of

hakunano comp i see

hakunano comp is kind of troll

10% of the time you get 100-0'd on all your fronts on the first strike

and back when I ran 3 bb

coudlt reveal

so sniffing glue

but now with mech + chise preload

maybe that wont be a problen anymore

[stable dawn]

ehhssex

[dull hollow]

oh wait

For preload CV

are ppl using tenrai or the skydiver

[steel coral]

it gets dunked on pretty hard by nanoryuu and shima/harbin/aquila fleets

[whole salmon]

Nanoryuu isn’t as common anymore

Shima Harbin Aquila then I’ll see if I can mitigate the issue with gear options on Rikka

[dull hollow]

also the funny thing about the mech

is the way they spawn in is coded to have them "repsawn"

meaning your 3rd ship

ends up being in front again

so i noticed my shimakaze was fronttanking

maybe ill try harbin instead of shima

for the smokes

[hidden robin]

yes, more smoke, and get higher

[pseudo copper]

EN is too wide a term, depends on server

So should P

[dull hollow]

from what i remember on mine (wash?) it was fairly tryhard

saw enough hard comps

[pseudo copper]

But idk anything about JP servers

Washi is dead

[dull hollow]

when i tried it a little back in the day

[flint python]

[dull hollow]

rip

it all dead now

defenses im seeing are better than JPs

[pseudo copper]

It's Sandy for most dead, followed by Washi

[dull hollow]

also fwiw

im like 12k on washi

im 1.2k on JP

in terms of where i was ranked after i won 1 battle

[pseudo copper]

Just means smaller server pop

[flint python]

bisco 2 good?

[pseudo copper]

Which means that JP server deader than even Lil E

[dull hollow]

well my little crew is able to still beat the guild mission so

alive enough for me

[pseudo copper]

Guild mission can be soloed

[dull hollow]

but yeah the jp server im on is

empty casket basically

[pseudo copper]

Ops you run out of supplies unless 20 smth active members

[whole salmon]

Rikka is quite a mystery for now so I won’t comment on her

Until we figure out the consensus on how to gear her

As to how we can fix the Chise being too paper problem, that is quite difficult

[pseudo copper]

No gear best gear

[dull hollow]

does it rly matter if chise dies

she has high reload so she'll launch preload, then launch again before shinanos so she doesnt get nuked there

so her job is done

after the 2nd launch the battle is already decided

with how high damage is rn

[fickle echo]

From what I tested myself the best is to use torp bulge on Yume and Rikka and just let Chise die

[dull hollow]

chise job is just to reveal and chunk fronts

if she disappears it's not a factor

[flint python]

I use 818 chise

embrace cn meta

[dull hollow]

tho

is it tenrai or skydiver tho

well

I plan on using chise a bit longer in opsi for mob clear

so ill stick with tenrai for now

[flint python]

10rai

[dull hollow]

[fickle echo]

Anything with rockets isn't that good in PvP because the vanguard moves a lot

[dull hollow]

rly

i felt like that was the point of rockets

i guess t he hitrate was worse than it looked

[flint python]

jp doesnt know speed

[fickle echo]

Normal fighters/tenrai are way better at hitting against fast vanguards

[flint python]

also you seem to like bisco a lot is she gud!?

[fickle echo]

All the fleets here have beaver on the backline+Shima+at least 2 pieces of speed on the vanguard

[dull hollow]

so far bisk2 has had great perf

she shoots faster than NJ so when it becomes an attrition duel i get priority

havent had enough experience with the triomech yet tho

will have to see

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/AWqa2llvyHY

I didn't even have NJ back then

[dull hollow]

wait the dragon lives

after she dies

that's super funny

[fickle echo]

The only way Bis2 works without perfect RNG is when paired with Seydlitz and that's more because of Seydlitz than Bis2

[flint python]

she too squishy

[dull hollow]

hmm

well im playing for burst over attrition so we'll see

I dont have tamaki at all on JP due to uhh

me forgetting to claim the augs

[flint python]

also did nothing meaningful

[dull hollow]

but i'll swap NJ around and see

the hardest things i fought in JP were nanohiryuus and they almost never gave me any trouble so they mightve just been pepega gear

[fickle echo]

[dull hollow]

ive literally never seen a 3 core BB comp on jp so I cant compare there yet

[stable dawn]

This is how dead Washington is

I was 5/10 in this screenshot with 1.5m left until reset

[fickle echo]

Are you telling me people there use Bis2/Musashi/CV?

[dull hollow]

oh yeah i seen that one a bit

like

you dont realize

90% of my server

is dead ass hood or akaga still

[brazen socket]

JP is too clouded with waifu > meta that they don't even know whats great or not

[dull hollow]

or just all enty + married lusty

[lusty hill]

how is that possible with 5/10

[dull hollow]

or it's like Collab oathed ships

i want to fight the funny strong comps

[fickle echo]

2 BB with Bis2 will make her die even earlier

[dull hollow]

i see like 2 strong comps per day

and usually they're not properly geared or front'd

[stable dawn]

1068 during 1049 reset lol

[brazen socket]

Does JP even do MSN

[dull hollow]

yah the fact you guys still count the ladder points is

with no BM intended

crazy to me

jp we gave up like 3-4 years ago

you could deadass just hit 15 times a day and not drop any points

get a few + 1

and be the top rank for free

[brazen socket]

does sand bagging even exist in JP lol

[dull hollow]

ive got like 1m + pvp currency so i havent played pvp in years

i only pop my head in to test new ships

idk

there's no pvp community in JP

at least for EN speakers

but im pretty sure my server the population isnt even big enough

to sandbag

[flint python]

jp is just too based

[brazen socket]

no wonder quyets advice is shit

[flint python]

waifu all the way

[stable dawn]

pvp is a meme

[dull hollow]

yah i only fight pvp to see what new funny ship does

[brazen socket]

CN is the most sweaty
JP is the most chill
EN is a freak lovechild

[dull hollow]

the fact that you guys count the points still

amazes me

like vro thats crazy

[stable dawn]

I just see low rank number, I attack

[flint python]

just remove resetting and attacker advantage

[dull hollow]

granted coz JP + sleep cycle

[flint python]

watch people mald

[dull hollow]

i forget to hit too much

[flint python]

gonna be fun

[dull hollow]

so I havent made a run for true aton in pvp for so long

coz like

around the 8th day i fall asleep

or forgor

[stable dawn]

just remove pvp from the game lol

[dull hollow]

nah it's funny

watching the mech go brr

[whole salmon]

Removing resetting would be quite troublesome

It might kill variety

[dull hollow]

mech lives and dies by resetting

you either win in 5s or you reset

[whole salmon]

Some comp still works but they have higher risks

[flint python]

worth the entertainment

[dull hollow]

[flint python]

[whole salmon]

So it would shift to comp with less risks

[fickle echo]

It'll kill the Bis2 fleets too so I don't mind it too much

[stable dawn]

MSN finally taking over Lexi?

[dull hollow]

yall ever seen 2 Fortune kais do donuts around each other for literally 4 minutes

[stable dawn]

[dull hollow]

fuckin

2018 AL pvp

or was it 2017

OG hms on release

each battle would take 3+ minute

coz of roach fronts

and no dps guns bac kthen

trust in the nepnep rerun that has a combination drive that does 1.5x the damage of rikka's mech trust

ok bedtime

[zenith lantern]

No resets would finally force people to recognise Hiryuu dominance

[stable dawn]

yuki might come back

[flint python]

yuki augment

[lusty hill]

what makes yukikaze good in pvp

isn't the good thing about her only her evasion skill

[flint python]

casually ignores backline damage reduction and heal

[lusty hill]

I just realized her support skill is pretty good

Augment

[whole salmon]

Pvp gets more wack the further back you go in time

[stable dawn]

I'm just trying to justify my sunk cost.
I bought every yuki skin just to flex on people in pvp back during IJN meta.

[whole salmon]

Like before 457 got introduced

Hood gun was the main meta

To counter this, people have VH armor

Azuma and Saint Louis as top meta ship

[stable dawn]

azuma just to kill yuki faster

[whole salmon]

Before Ancho duel

We have Yukikaze duel

[stable dawn]

bad good times

[whole salmon]

Do we even have fast comp back then

I don’t think we did

[stable dawn]

we got torpmemes

[whole salmon]

The first true fast comp is the Noshiro Naganami Jintsuu torp comp

[stable dawn]

great times

GREAT DAYS

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-jojo-bizarre-adventure-jjba-diu-part4-gif-18529237

[whole salmon]

Before torp meme, everyone ran slow comp

With Hood gun

And VH armor with Amagi

Long af fight durations

[stable dawn]

15m move times

10m was risky

[whole salmon]

Cope for Nagato barrage so fight can end

[stable dawn]

watch a yuki vs yuki duel for 2 extra minutes because resetting would still result in a yuki vs yuki duel

[whole salmon]

The fast comp back then was Warspite

And even that comp is still slow

[stable dawn]

the upside is scores were higher because people seemed to lose less

[whole salmon]

Cus everyone tried their damn hardest to counter warspite

[stable dawn]

now most rushers look away from their screen and lose, causing scores across the board to drop

with only collusion bringing it back, SMH

has lexi even got a 2600 that wasn't from collusion?

(not counting the login exploit 2625 ofc)

[zenith lantern]

Depends what you consider collusion. We’ll finish moving at like 5mins for each other early season when it’s not risking burning refreshes

But otherwise there’s not really collusion. Mine had failed collusion because everyone was asking MK to move for me and he refused but I got it anyway

[stable dawn]

[zenith lantern]

Usually it's just like brah decides he's going to zero after AoTN and announces it in our discord but then none of us ever actually have him on our list.

[pseudo copper]

Just do Amagi collusion

[valid oxide]

Any more news on gridmeme or is it now my personal copium

[wheat torrent]

is Musa, NJ, Vang better than Musa NJ FdG?

[valid oxide]

Vang too fragile iirc

Also fdg personal damage is better

[valid oxide]

I assume it's just my personal cope now then

[steel coral]

our copium

[zenith lantern]

FDG better because she’s more tanky and her barrage is better for helping clear vanguards. VG would be better in a different meta where there was more threat from CVs, she first started to be used because VG + NJ was a lot of AA to counter weeb

[flint python]

[lusty hill]

what's the opponent fleet

[lusty hill]

is robot really going to be the new meta

I need to know before I spend my gold bulin

[flint python]

I already said no unless you think that's a lie from "the higher ups"

[lusty hill]

then how you can beat full oathed yakuza

unless that fleet has no gear then robot is truly strong

[neon bronze]

[flint python]

it's strong yes

is it best option rn? who knows

[neon bronze]

At best, it's copium

[lusty hill]

I hope it's better than ayanami cope

[dull hollow]

True pvp is the mental damage you inflict on others with your naming schemes

[torpid shuttle]

nj gud

[neon bronze]

[stable dawn]

[candid sluice]

The higher ups dont want you to know about robot meta

[trail temple]

We need 9 more members to be the majestic 12, so we can't be the higher ups

[brazen socket]

You know too much, you need to be silenced

[stable dawn]

or 6 more to be the 9 divines

🐉

[trail temple]

We can be the three musketeers though

[fickle echo]

Get 1 more member and become the four heavenly kings

[trail temple]

Or the four horsemen of the apocalypse

In which case, we need Famine...

[fickle echo]

How about @pseudo copper ? You need death too

[pseudo copper]

Everyone needs me, but not everyone wants me

[trail temple]

You are not Nanny McPhee

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/the-idolmaster-takane-popcorn-eating-video-game-gif-15975499

[stable dawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946719897390563328/1098646760668287097/B60CF446-98B0-42E7-AD1B-0DC4AE3E414E.gif

[flint python]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPOKMjytd-k&ab_channel=kotatodo

manjuu nj rocket chise

certified jp player

[stable dawn]

isn't that the guy Aoste follows?

[steel coral]

[lusty hill]

rocket is shimakaze killer

[neon bronze]

[lusty hill]

shimakaze always down to 50% or less after that preload and musashi finish her off

[flint python]

that's if she gets hit

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/610601940639809542/1078506136149430422/914343838162780241.gif

If

[lusty hill]

musashi barrage can miss anyway if they zoom too fast

[dull hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458485823587876877/1133670342469099580/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458485823587876877/1133670520831881276/image.png

well that was anticlimatic

JP truely is built different

no manjuu repair on anyone

[neon bronze]

[dull hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-sad-fridge-no-food-gif-5296071

everytime i see a promising comp on jp

only for them to be geared with welfare

and they get bowled voer

[lusty hill]

even JP people still use yakuza

this just proves the conspiracy

[stable dawn]

JP uses 818 on Aquila

[lusty hill]

what's 818?

[stable dawn]

2 balls and a bong

[lusty hill]

what

[stable dawn]

this plane

[lusty hill]

doesn't matter

it's still a yakuza

probably gear from pve

[stable dawn]

no it's specifically so when it hits vg, it triggers this skill

downside is because it's a torpedo bomber, your aquila essentially does 0 damage

because her plane loadout is 2/2/4

[lusty hill]

maybe that plane is meta

slow the opponent so shimakaze preload hits

[empty mesa]

Swordfish Aquila my beloved.

[flint python]

swordfish chise is the goat

[stable dawn]

yeah so her preload can hit stationary backliners

[steel coral]

AL pvp is all about the mind games

[stable dawn]

doesn't JP uses 610 torp or something?

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/4nBUv2PRvXw
Wales can beat Yakuza so Wales is the new meta

[stable dawn]

inb4

NJ PoW Kearsarge

new meta

[fickle echo]

The opponent is a JP fleet without Majuu NJ? Is that even possible?!

[flint python]

@fickle echo what gear your rikka

[lusty hill]

wtf

[fickle echo]

Using this now

[flint python]

calibur good?

[fickle echo]

It enhances the barrage and gives eva

[fickle echo]

Armor break good

[fickle echo]

For some reason PoW's skill increases the Avi of every main fleet ship regardless if they're a CV or not

[stable dawn]

[flint python]

kear buff

[fickle echo]

Wait, wouldn't Kear+Wales make Enty strong enough to kill every enemy ship?

[stable dawn]

this is an idea so bad it might just work

[fickle echo]

Wales R1 again soon™

Wait wrong one lol

[stable dawn]

could run an HE gun on wales just to proc Kearsarge burn buffs

like VV in the good ol' days

[fickle echo]

Mk7 meta?

[stable dawn]

who needs Musashi anyway

(though this might actually be a strong fleet on lil e, like unironically)

[fickle echo]

I fear nothing, I have Tamaki

[stable dawn]

fdg alr fs5???

[fickle echo]

Double +13 457 too

[delicate mango]

Mafia strongest fleet

[empty mesa]

Calm down. Aoste.

[delicate mango]

[valid oxide]

What about yume?

[whole salmon]

The usual

Drake gun, UR DD gun, Sextuple or UR AA gun

Pearl Tears

Then either Boiler or Torp Bulge

Like Yume has a very standard setup

It is Rikka’s build that gets complicated with how many combinations that can exist

[flint python]

torp stat from gear doesn't get multiplied by robot?

that woulda been broken

3k trp 160% eff

[light crystal]

ive seen the odd tamaki user. wuts good about her? been wondering

[tacit owl]

5 gyroscope, speed is everything

[fickle echo]

-Barrage with a good pattern and armor break
-Can fire the barrage early and do some damage to the 2 vanguards with Ancho and debuff them for NJ's 10s barrage
-Increased aux gun range
-Can apply slow to a random ship so it's 50% to target on a vanguard at the start
-Self damage reduction for 30s thanks to her module, after that she gets increased AA that's helpful in case there's a CV alive
-Debuffs any damage from the enemy aside from planes as long she stays alive
-Waifu (very important)

[light crystal]

If waifu, where Skin then

[fickle echo]

I have her skin on my main already, I wouldn't buy it again on my alt

I don't use dupes for skins so I would rather have her default on my alt since she even got post oath lines

[light crystal]

https://youtu.be/LPOKMjytd-k

[fickle echo]

Aoste giving up on mafia?!

[wheat torrent]

is this for real or a meme?

[stable dawn]

wtf double black torp

[whole salmon]

CN said it is a bug or something

[stable dawn]

[fickle echo]

[whole salmon]

Or idk perhaps it is a game feature

Don’t ask me, I saw a lot of people run it as well

[light crystal]

What does it do to run two instead of one? Why not Rainbow + Black instead?

[whole salmon]

I am most likely wrong but I think it let the black aux’s passive activate again once she is out of the mech

CN said it could have already been patched so idk

[light crystal]

[whole salmon]

There was also some bug regarding the mech’s lock-on mechanic

Where enemy BBs would target off screen

Tho this was confirmed to be patched

Before bug fix, CN recorded 90% wr of Gridman fleet against MSN

After bug fix, CN recorded 70% wr of Gridman fleet against MSN

[stable dawn]

oh so that was what the 45MB hotfix was

[long scarab]

so is gridman the new meta or still MSN

[fickle echo]

There's only one way to know

@whole salmon

[cold vessel]

Why do some Italian PvP fleets deal such insane damage? Is there some Italian faction buff I'm unaware of?

Usually with Duca Degli Abruzzi, Vittorio Veneto and Aquila

[pseudo copper]

Mafia is outdated, doesn't compete at all with current meta

So your comp is just bad if struggling and you need to update

[zenith lantern]

More likely gear issue than comp

[pseudo copper]

Gear issue is a comp issue

[torpid shuttle]

there's literally a 34 point gap btwn me and a choice

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/ETkdqju1YbI

Almost 20min testing

It's looks good enough to be an option but nothing game changing as the UR ships or Anchorage were

[fickle echo]

I was trying to meme and I think I accidentally found the anti-MSN fleet

[flint python]

[valid oxide]

Anchorageless?

[zenith lantern]

How does the Mecha compare if you just leave Chise out and have Yume and Rikka only? Chise is definitely the weak link in the fleet

[flint python]

wont wonk since chise in required for kaiser