pvp

[stable dawn]

because people winning off you would get more points

[tacit owl]

[stable dawn]

I mean, battle tractor UvH worked. Ask @fickle echo

[fickle echo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745143627608752179/997490000927133746/Screenshot_20220715-095649.png

[deft escarp]

[zenith lantern]

I tried it for half a season, it's ok against anything except Aquila but you'll have to reset fairly often (like once or twice per set of 5 exercises). Against Aquila you're probably resetting 5 or 6 times to get a win. Bear in mind this was with a full oath full +13 gear setup.
Ari posted some tests attacking against it with me defending on his youtube, I have a video of it on attack against a mediocre fleet also.
https://youtu.be/S5XGZh6diS0
https://youtu.be/Kfr8HFLypYk

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/reviewbrah-gif-22077649

[junior trench]

So quick question. How good is the VT-18 squadron against triple BB backlines?

No is not really an answer to my question

[valid oxide]

Do you see it listed anywhere on the Google doc?

And if you are serenity and think it's a conspiracy, do your own testing

[neon bronze]

Could use it on 2/3 CV comps

where the VT-18 could be used on Hiryuu to buff Shinano in old versions of Weeb/Meeb

rn imo it's one of the better fighters w/ 500 kg bombs...

but why run that when Sea Hornet/Flapjack is objectively better

[valid oxide]

VT 18 is a torp bomber

[neon bronze]

oh

lmao

[junior trench]

I'm just curious because of Kearsarge (yes I know she can't equip it, I'm just theorycrafting teams). I just figured it could have a use considering most of the meta fleets are triple BB.

[neon bronze]

Not even gph recommends that TB

[valid oxide]

Tbh gph TB recs aren't that bad

But you only need to remember wyvern mob and conv torp boss

[junior trench]

What if I use the VT 18 and Intrepid
That sounds so stupid, but it'd probably at least kill one BB.

[fickle echo]

Use Victorious

[junior trench]

But Robin doesn't get the Kearsarge buff unfortunately

[junior trench]

Forgot to tag ^

[fickle echo]

"When the battle starts, if there is another Eagle Union ship in your Main Fleet: while this ship is afloat, your CVs and CVLs deal 5% (15%) more airstrike DMG (does not stack with the skill "Air Raid Assistance")"

You just need 1 other eagle main fleet ship

The buff is for all carriers regardless of their faction

[junior trench]

Hmm

[valid oxide]

Kear yk2 NJ meta

[junior trench]

Kearsarge Intrepid Victorious.
BB stands for Bye Bye

[lusty hill]

Kear enty musashi

[fickle echo]

[junior trench]

That is probably one of the stupidest comps I could've thought up

I wanna try it

Kearsarge is gonna make me try so many meme fleets

[flint python]

[junior trench]

Honestly Kearsarge, NJ, Aquila could be interesting

NJ triggers skill

I am curious, would Kear want HSFCR so her guns go off first?

[flint python]

just go kear nj musashi

[neon bronze]

3 CV counter who???

[junior trench]

I would, if I had Musashi

[neon bronze]

[junior trench]

For real though, would Kear want HSFCR?

[stable dawn]

give her the 460mm gun for extra damage

[junior trench]

I figured, but would she want HSFCR?

[stable dawn]

just use double shell

it's what everyone else uses nowadays

[junior trench]

I was curious because doesn’t she want to hit with her guns before she airstrikes them?

[junior trench]

Also I just realized, did you mean 406?

[stable dawn]

no, 460mm. It's meta on Sandy.

with Kearsarge she just wants burning enemies so maybe try HE on NJ

[junior trench]

Oh, do you mean Georgia gun?

[stable dawn]

No. Musashi gun.

best in slot for BBs

[junior trench]

But Kear wants a USS gun

[stable dawn]

so? People use 457mm on Musashi

doesn't matter

[junior trench]

10% FP buff and 20% less cannon damage taken

[stable dawn]

just don't get hit

[junior trench]

Also, that’s kind of the opposite of what she wants as she gets an airstrike damage buff after hitting with cannons.

So a long reload gun like that feels counterintuitive

[stable dawn]

with preload from Aquila (who is T0) your enemies should die in half an airstrike anyway

[junior trench]

Which it would have a use on her even with two other BBs since she does have her own planes

[stable dawn]

why even build defense

just win faster

[junior trench]

But you get more damage with a faster gun

Because of her debuffs

[stable dawn]

faster gun is more likely to whiff. 460mm is huge burst damage and can one tap an enemy ez

[junior trench]

If it’s that good, why isn’t it on any of the suggested equipment for other PvP BBs?

In fact, most of them seem to suggest, hilariously, the Georgia gun for AP

[stable dawn]

because the tier list is bad, just trust #gameplay-help

@pseudo copper would agree

and he's a #1 player

[junior trench]

But normal gameplay isn’t PvP.
It seems most of PvP boils down to “kill the enemy as fast as possible” judging by a lot of the suggestions.

[junior trench]

I mean, is there a reason to use such a slow gun when I might be dead before I get off a second volley?

[merry vale]

Using a slow gun is trolling yourself in pvp

Speed is the entire meta for pvp

[stable dawn]

not true, people used to slow themselves for ancho smoke

the only reason it's not a thing anymore is because preload is dead

but people still love to shill Aquila in 2023

[pseudo copper]

True Sandy tech best tech

[junior trench]

You guys are probably trolling, but even if I wanted to I don’t have the Musashi gun anyway.

[light crystal]

Play Waifu. Fck meta

[ember veldt]

No one has Kearsarge either

[deft escarp]

Funny thing is that I rarely even encounter 460 Musashi

[empty mesa]

Funny thing is that you encounter it at all.

[trail temple]

It's Sandy, that is the meta

[coral wren]

who is flag here?

[lusty hill]

I think it's musashi

[neon bronze]

Musashi or Shinano, depends on who you want to use as flagship
personally prefer Musashi as flag, it's like parent with slipper/chancla

[coral wren]

for shinano, does this stack?

I can only get AvGas and Awakening Pearl

[neon bronze]

uh, nope. Just use one AvGas.

[neon bronze]

feel free to use what you have

[coral wren]

okay thanks im going to farm houshou for awakening pearl

This looks good?

[trail temple]

Yeah

[flint python]

would just run hiryuu instead there tbh

[whole salmon]

Awakening Pearl is collab item

You won’t be able to get it now if you didn’t have it during the collab

[coral wren]

I have it sugar no worries

thanks again everyone

[whole salmon]

That’s new

People often call me “Pink” instead of “Sugar”

But yeah no worries

[trail temple]

Term of endearment

[junior trench]

[pseudo copper]

Time to call you Sugar too

[shell cove]

Is there a way to see how many exercises you've conducted in a season?

[stable dawn]

unfortunately no, but @pseudo copper made a pace bot that's available in many AL servers

essentially it calculates your projected score from your current score + exercises remaining

so it's good to find out if you forgot matches

[lusty hill]

No 4

[stable dawn]

Reiver

[shell cove]

I could swear I've done all mine this season, and that I've won them all, and made sure everyone's higher rank than me

But I'm fucking 39 points behind 1st

[stable dawn]

I presume then, you don't know about the dreaded sandbagging strat

[shell cove]

I'm not familiar with the term, but I think I might have an idea as to what it might be

[pseudo copper]

What is it?

[stable dawn]

I heard it's like white shell

[pseudo copper]

Does Quyet know of it then?

[stable dawn]

who knows? He would've deleted it regardless

[lusty hill]

Basically you don't immediately use all your attempt in one go but use the attempt on opponent with huge score difference, the minimum score difference is on the pin

Keep it mind its a score difference not a rank difference, you can't see the opponent score so you have to have an educated guess

[pseudo copper]

Why? It's not like he deleted 90% of his videos and 100% of the comments not sucking him off

[shell cove]

Ah okay, yeah I already do that stuff. Just fucking impossible cuz getting good opponent RNG feels completely out of my hands and is mega frustrating

[stable dawn]

early season is always like that

[shell cove]

Fix your game Yostar

[pseudo copper]

It's not Yostar that are the devs of the game nor is it dev problems

Called player problems but you should already be around 2600 pace if barely doing much

[lusty hill]

Luck plays important part of pvp but you can always get aotn each season as long as you don't lose or overcapped too much

[stable dawn]

PvP has been neglected for years and nobody actually cares beyond some merit or some weirdos who snapshot the leaderboard in the last 5s.

for most people, rushing to 2200 during friday 2nd week is enough

free merit bonus

sleep

[lusty hill]

There's always the unethical method if you don't like your fate to be based on luck

[winged depot]

[stable dawn]

[lusty hill]

Honestly being unethical is probably the only way for me to get top10 eos

[tacit owl]

If I get you I'll ping you

[lusty hill]

Either that or losing sleep for 2 weeks

[stable dawn]

why not both?

[tacit owl]

Losing sleep is annoying

[lusty hill]

I always use my attempts around 8 hours after reset just let you know

[tacit owl]

I learned that through little Enty pvp

[winged depot]

losing sleep on a forgotten game mode?

[stable dawn]

smh death teaching people the wrong way to pvp

[tacit owl]

There's 6 hours between some resets

[lusty hill]

Ah I mean daily reset

That's when I sleep

[tacit owl]

That's good

No need to ping then

[pseudo copper]

I teach people to sleep

I literally rush for first week and a half

[stable dawn]

but it came at the price of ethics

[lusty hill]

Imagine if they add gems as reward for top10 eos

[tacit owl]

That would Make it harder to be EoS

[lusty hill]

What kind of unethical bullsittery would people do lol

[stable dawn]

they should just delete pvp from the game ngl

aging gamemode
outdated shop
neglected balance
nonexistent leaderboard

[tacit owl]

Include chess with ships

[stable dawn]

inb4 when the roguelike mode comes out, it just replaces exercises

[lusty hill]

They will put shinano on merit shop when her event got archived

[tacit owl]

Queen Elizabeth
King Jorge V

[tacit owl]

[lusty hill]

Encourage people to do pvp

[tacit owl]

100k merits

Seems fair

Put ur bulins in merit shop too

[stable dawn]

I could buy 17 Shinanos then

[lusty hill]

[tacit owl]

I could buy 0

[winged depot]

[tacit owl]

Always buying gold bulins

[lusty hill]

Bulins took my merit

[tacit owl]

I have a lot of the same kind of gold ships on lb0 because not enough copies

[trail temple]

Hi have you got any pvp attempts left? Lel

[brazen socket]

does anyone have an annoying bisz defense comp

[neon bronze]

annoying?

[brazen socket]

yes, annoying

anything that can cause a loss and even if it doesn't, just cause frustration

[neon bronze]

Juneau sinks when my frontline moves towards her barrage. Ez win

except against death

[pseudo copper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/872225981488857128/1115906435784642591/image.png

[brazen socket]

death gimme yer comp

[pseudo copper]

Do you really want to know the secret tech that made Beth lose?

[brazen socket]

yes

[pseudo copper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1050730029627228193/1115905399829311488/image.png?width=228&height=75

[brazen socket]

wtf pve gear

[pseudo copper]

Beth just has skill issues

There isn't a Bisco comp that'll annoy any pvper as Bisco just too shit

[flint python]

bisco free win

[pseudo copper]

[brazen socket]

smh I guess i'll just slap msn on defense

[pseudo copper]

Just run your attack in def

If you wanna annoy casuals

[flint python]

run yakuza good vs casuals

or the dreaded 460mm musashi

[pseudo copper]

Just be like Serenity of Washi, mald over any Shima in def

[stable dawn]

Just use this fleet ez

[flint python]

[pseudo copper]

Then mald about pvp being unfair since it doesn't have easy mode button to make you win with waifus

[flint python]

I dont even use my shima

[brazen socket]

people when high rank pvp is hard

[pseudo copper]

pvp is hard?

[flint python]

skyraider

[pseudo copper]

Since when

[stable dawn]

yeh this fleet is how I get consistent eos 1

NArd taught me about pearl aquila

gph taught me about the french DD gun

best gun in the game

[flint python]

wasn't there someone malding over manjuu nj being cancer

[stable dawn]

it is cancer

[flint python]

[stable dawn]

for you to use on attack

[pseudo copper]

It is cancer, makes pvp too ez

[coral wren]

what do I use if I dont have shima

[stable dawn]

[coral wren]

ah hell nah

[stable dawn]

just wait for laffey ii at the end of this year

she'll be UR and sumner class

[coral wren]

you love her that much?

[lusty hill]

unless she's a torp meme or invincibility bullshit she won't be meta

[rocky shadow]

And now most of player have NJ, prepare fighting NJ fleet in pvp now

[pseudo copper]

[valid oxide]

She's gonna be a UR torp meme indompt

[lusty hill]

I prefer her to be like jeanne de arc with invincibility at interval and start of battle therefore eliminating the need for anchorage

[pseudo copper]

[candid sluice]

gonna need to do more than that to replace ancho

[delicate mango]

Mafia can kill this comp

[lusty hill]

wtf with the emote

[neon bronze]

Guy had fun with Blue Archive emotes

[worn kraken]

If rangers skill procced 12 times in a row, id win every fight

[stable dawn]

[delicate mango]

[lusty hill]

I saw on youtube ranger do 1 million damage

[junior trench]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-austin-powers-evil-one-gif-20825656

[brazen socket]

Motherfucker I accidentally wasted a super react clicking too fast

[steel coral]

so just proc

[deft escarp]

1st who

[shell cove]

Ligma balls

[deft escarp]

Comprehension error. To install humor driver insert the correct CDs.

[whole salmon]

Could you send us your current points and what is your ticket count out of 10 currently?

So we can know where you are at to try and mitigate the issue

For example, my current score is 873 and I’m at 9/10 tickets

[pseudo copper]

I found the issue

[whole salmon]

Smh

[fickle echo]

[deft escarp]

[pseudo copper]

Sleeper pace

[deft escarp]

2570 pace

[pseudo copper]

Overcap when?

[deft escarp]

Just rush

How is that guy 39 behind me anyway

I assume he's referring to me since I was first place at that time and zeroed in preperation for maintenance

+lifed

[pseudo copper]

0 bagging

[deft escarp]

[neon bronze]

damn i'm slacking

2 pts behind sandy bagger

[valid oxide]

I'm not slacking I've just given up

PvP is not for me because of sleep and unfortunate maint timing with my sleep

[pseudo copper]

[neon bronze]

[neon bronze]

what's ur reset times

[valid oxide]

Daily reset at 8am, 8pm next, 4am next

[neon bronze]

ok, idk what to do with these reset times

[valid oxide]

I'm not usually awake for 8am or 4am ones

[whole salmon]

Hold on

This doesn’t add up

The gap between first and second set is 12h, second and third set is 6h, and 6h again until daily reset

Meaning it would be at 2am instead of 4am?

[valid oxide]

Oh yeah, my bad

Maths hard when it's nearly 2am

[whole salmon]

What i’ll do is set up alarm, fight pvp then go back to sleep

I do that with my 8am and 2am sets

[valid oxide]

Fire alarms can't even wake me

[whole salmon]

If you can’t do it for the 2am set then just move to 5/10 before you sleep

Then wake up at 7am and then do pvp

You should be done at around like 7:10 then go back to sleep

[valid oxide]

I can't wake up at 7am because sleep funky and alarms don't work for me

[whole salmon]

Then have 10 alarms

All 5 minutes apart from each other

It will bother you for an hour

[deft escarp]

Dem

[valid oxide]

I used to have a shit ton of alarms like that and I woke everyone but me up

[whole salmon]

Great

[deft escarp]

My resets are 2am, 2pm and 8pm

[whole salmon]

They would wake people up so they can wake you up

Double benefits

[deft escarp]

[whole salmon]

I have been doing this for like 2 years now

[pseudo copper]

People use alarms?

[whole salmon]

Occasionally alarms doesn’t proc and then we overcap

It is what it is

[pseudo copper]

Just use best alarm

Stomach wanting food

Then memorise how far pvp is from you wanting food

[whole salmon]

That doesn’t quite work for me

I don’t get hungry when I sleep

When I do get hungry, it is like 12pm

[pseudo copper]

Don't sleep then

[whole salmon]

Smh

[deft escarp]

[neon bronze]

2nd and 3rd set alarms. cba doing long set

[stable dawn]

you guys set more than 1 alarm???

[pseudo copper]

I set 0 for pvp

[neon bronze]

I tend to forget reset times

[lusty hill]

is this the secret strategy to get eos

[flint python]

new meta

[neon bronze]

i had these alarms as reminder to pay attention

I wouldn't even had a clue I overcapped until I'd take my meds 30 minutes after set ended

[trail temple]

People use alarms to pvp? Just sleep through the set

You'll lose less braincells

[pseudo copper]

No, just quit the game, interacting in this server already does that so guess quit server too

[trail temple]

Fair point

[tacit fox]

is tamaki worth running over any of the UR bbs (other than biz)?

[fickle echo]

Only UVH

[tacit fox]

oof

[fickle echo]

Unless you consider Warspite an UR BB

[lusty hill]

what makes uvh so bad in pvp

I also heard she's also bad in pve too

[fickle echo]

She has a self debuff that stacks with the default pvp debuff for BBs

[pseudo copper]

She's not

Just that out of ammo hits her harder

In OpSi she doesn't sync, so doesn't leave her much room to use

[fickle echo]

She doesn't get the debuff when used as flagship but then she also won't get the 50% time buff to her salvos

[pseudo copper]

Which is what her kit is based on

[tacit fox]

she's still good on opsi mobs :copium:

[pseudo copper]

She still does well out of ammo since she actually was used for 3:1 clearing 14-4 before oilcap hit

[lusty hill]

why don't put her on flagship then? I've never seen people use her as flagship

[pseudo copper]

But there are better options

She is nothing special as flag

Other UR BB just better

[lusty hill]

I mean the only UR that need flag is musashi, and she's still incredibly strong as offlag

[fickle echo]

Almost every other BBs aside from Musashi don't want to be flagship because it makes them vulnerable to torps

[pseudo copper]

Why use UvH as flag when you can just use NJ, Bisshit, FdG, Vanguard, etc.

And in pvp it would just be NJ and FdG

But Musashi just better flag while those 2 offflag

[lusty hill]

isn't it the point? NJ, bisk, fdg, vanguard doesn't need flagship

[pseudo copper]

They are just better than UvH flag regardless

She competes with them

You only have 3 ship choices

So Musashi is auto slot

Leaves 2 slots

NJ will take up 1 most of the time

1 left

FdG is perma so if you have UvH raised and not her than you should focus pve first anyways as you don't play

Then she also competes with Shinano, Hiryuu, Aquila

[lusty hill]

so uvh is just the worst UR BB currently

[pseudo copper]

All of which I rather run over her flag

[fickle echo]

Off flag UVH can at least spam the slow barrage that doesn't get debuffed, flagship will just be like a ship with UR stats but 0 useful skills

[pseudo copper]

Generally yes, but in w14 she is broken with triple 460 in boss

[fickle echo]

She's good against light armor bosses too

[pseudo copper]

Just use anti light CV

[stable dawn]

UVH is the reason Letan even installed the game

[scenic tendon]

that meme Rikka has been existing for so long

"Hey brother... There's an endless road to rediscover."

[flint python]

it's different now cause robots

[delicate mango]

Just use Mafia

Strongest fleet

[coral wren]

btw why is shinano good in pvp tiering at tier 0

[neon bronze]

great damage w/ two wyverns and a suisei 12a ☑️
good survivability, best of her hull type ☑️
fleets with her tend to be really consistent in both attack and defense ☑️

[pseudo copper]

You forgot that it's 6 wyverns

[neon bronze]

was speaking of plane gear to equip on shinana

aight

[coral wren]

damnn shinana strong thanks

[light crystal]

Anyone using this?

[pseudo copper]

Slowing down your CV in pvp

[candid sluice]

yea lemme slow down my already slow carriers even more

[lusty hill]

autoloader meta

[flint python]

just equip beacon to mitigate it

🧠

[tawny parcel]

What torp anchorage uses?

[hidden robin]

or its blue double-torp variant

[sullen iris]

Do intercept fighters deal crash dmg? (The ones that launch independent from airstrike to intercept enemy planes)

[flint python]

yes

[pseudo copper]

Depends on timing of enemy, twin 550 will be the standard rn

[tawny parcel]

This one?

[worldly wolf]

is aotn still doable if i miss 10-15 attacks

[clever moon]

probably not on lexi, depending on when you missed them and how you played this season

i could be incorrect though

[worldly wolf]

ooof i kinda missed day 1 of the season

[torpid shuttle]

imt rying to sandbag but

no one is moving

[zenith lantern]

It's early season you could hit AoTN still with 10 missed if you pick up some bonuses

[delicate mango]

[steel coral]

[tacit owl]

Little Enty?

[meager oak]

How is sandbagging in amagi tho?

[winged depot]

its been pretty good lately in amagi

last season

[valid oxide]

Has not good for me

Sleep my behated

[neon bronze]

t10 cutoff was 2587

[deft escarp]

[neon bronze]

Did CdL miss an exercise?

guy was trailing behind Kirito

[stable dawn]

I heard CdL retired

[pseudo copper]

Most active server rn

[pseudo copper]

Ez, 10 exercises is nothing on long run if that early and you are getting bonuses

[tawny parcel]

is agir viable in pvp?

[stable dawn]

depends on who you ask

[tawny parcel]

what do you mean? versus which ship or who (human) should i ask

[stable dawn]

I'm personally not a fan. But @zenith lantern found a way to make it work.

[neon bronze]

Usable if you wanna run Seydlitz (Seyd wants another german ship, she gets selfbuffed if you do. Aegir is one, BisZwei, FdG work as well)

[tawny parcel]

im just not sure because on the pvp sheet has agir but when i tried to use her she get deleted quickly by torpedos

[neon bronze]

This is why Aldarn decided she goes in middle slot. Have Shimakaze or Harbin go off-tank

Sandwiched. Ok survivability

[tawny parcel]

little enty doesnt have shimakaze yet, i dont have harbin
maybe sandwich between anchorage and juneau?

[candid sluice]

u need to stack speed items on her and put her in middle slot

but if not using her to buff seydlitz then theres really no reason to bring her

[zenith lantern]

Agir should be really good on Little E because the torpedo threat isn’t there

You’ll want 2 boilers and a kicks on your vanguard for speed but she should be good then, it should be a struggle to kill her.

I’d be using her on Little E myself if I had her dev 30

[coral wren]

why is anchorage preferred than agir in tier 0 of pvp?

isnt agir the most tankiest, or is it because of skill?

[pseudo copper]

CA/CB suck in pvp generally

[coral wren]

I see

[pseudo copper]

Ancho is the tankiest ship in game anyways

Just situational based on her torp timing

[coral wren]

Thanks Deathhktktktktkttktktktktkt

[pseudo copper]

[stable dawn]

[pseudo copper]

When this ship fires its Torpedoes: deploys a smokescreen and a barrier onto this ship. This smokescreen lasts 5s and increases Evasion Rate by 20% (40%) for all ships inside it (does not stack with other smokescreen skills). The barrier lasts 5s and can absorb DMG up to 1.5% (6%) of this ship's max HP. If this barrier is destroyed before it expires: increases this ship's Evasion Rate to 100% for 2s.

[coral wren]

when did AL become a shooting game

thanks

[coral wren]

[pseudo copper]

Since always, though my example would get me banned from here

[stable dawn]

AL is technically a bullet hell game

just that the game is so ez and the power creep is so ridiculous you forget until doing EX maps

[pseudo copper]

Then you remember CB, JdA, Ancho autos

[stable dawn]

roguelike mode when

[candid sluice]

bullet hell except you soak all the bullets and dont even control the characters 💀

[stable dawn]

casual bullet hell

[lost stratus]

Bullet sponge*

[delicate mango]

What's going on

[zenith lantern]

Ancho is the tankiest because of her invun and smokescreen. Pure HP and Armor like Agir has doesn't make a ship tanky in PvP because battleship shells and torpedoes do so much damage relative to ship HP pools. Agir is decent in PvP but not as a tank, to get any use out of her you have to run her in the middle position so she's protected. Trying to run her as a tank is just going to have her dead to Shima torps in the first 3s of the fight.

[pastel jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/that-would-be-a-yes-terry-carson-thats-a-yes-the-answer-is-yes-ill-take-that-as-a-yes-gif-22683150

2599

[neon bronze]

shucks

[torpid shuttle]

sandbagging in washy sucks

[stable dawn]

washy in general sucks

[valid oxide]

Washy and it's 3 active players

[pseudo copper]

3 since when?

It's 0

All retirees

[steel coral]

throw first 2600
someone else gets it
retires

what a way to go

[lusty hill]

just lost a bonus after my fdg dies in a 1 vs 1 standoff with opponent shinano

MSN is way too strong especially since their NJ has manjuu

[coral wren]

lol

[pseudo copper]

This is called

[stable dawn]

[flint python]

is manjuu NJ being bad a conspiracy too? @lusty hill

[lusty hill]

Manjuu on NJ is good

statistically I rarely lose a match but if I did lose it's always because manjuu on NJ or full oathed yakuza

the pvp tierlist clearly state that manjuu on nj isn't a best equip but the fact is people with strong fleet always has manjuu on nj

[flint python]

sus

[stable dawn]

[lusty hill]

this could be either those people are too lazy to update their gear (unlikely cuz they clearly know what theyre doing) or the pvp council has another conspiracy on manjuu on nj

[neon bronze]

Matcha. Yakuza, w/ Manjuu NJ. Easy beating, every time
MikotoMisaka. MSN, with Manjuu NJ. Kayame, with his Weeb somehow using Manjuu NJ. Both might take 0 to 2 resets for me, I think my chances are good against them.

By contrast, Deathkt and Kirito's Yakuza w/ Manjuu Ancho definitely gave me some of the worst trouble fighting against, before I adapted MSN

My Manjuu not +13 yet, and I haven't tried that out yet

[trail temple]

Serenity is a conspiracy theorist?

[stable dawn]

Maybe Mafia was good the whole time and everything else is just misinformation

[neon bronze]

@lusty hill what fleet are you running rn?

[lusty hill]

Milf with harbin and Juneau

[zenith lantern]

Manjuu NJ is just good

[honest moon]

Tenrais for pvp: yay or nay?

[neon bronze]

Hiryuu and Aquila, yay.
Shinano, nay.

[honest moon]

Run wyvern/flapjacks on shina i guess?

[zenith lantern]

2x Wyvern usually

You can also do 2x Breguet with a Tenrai

[flint python]

Manjuu NJ conspiracy

[whole salmon]

Forget that

Run 5 Boiler Rikka

With Chise and Yume

Watch the mech zoom around

[neon bronze]

Nyoom

What if a mix of Teatorp + Boilers... Maybe even an Oxytorp

[coral wren]

hello why oxy on harbin??

[uncut agate]

it's only used with mk35, otherwise black torp + teatorp is better

[delicate mango]

[coral wren]

thanks fluffy captain

[torpid shuttle]

welp

sandbagged 10 pts

lost an exercise while i wasnt looking

i give up

just another graze AotN season

[delicate mango]

How does one lose to auto exercise?

[spiral owl]

it's still early in the season why would you give up

[torpid shuttle]

washi bagging sucks

[fickle echo]

You don't even need to bag to get AotN, just don't move too early

[torpid shuttle]

i was gonna bag for eos

but now i dont wanna bother

[stable dawn]

amagi is worse lol

pretty much all baggers move under 5m on amagi. On washy everyone finishes by 7m literally free #1 eos

[valid oxide]

Idk I once got a bonus off of deathkt moving 10m befor reset

It annoyed me how slow the fight was

[stable dawn]

deathkt is a rusher until last 3 days looool

[pseudo copper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1041660094569533470/1129940496198934640/image.png

Amagi bagging is this

Actually tbh too much time left

[pseudo copper]

I usually move a lot earlier

[pseudo copper]

Washi bagging is ez mode there is 0 competition there and no proper bagging, only Borgar plays at this point

[stable dawn]

Borgar doesn't even play let's be real

[pseudo copper]

Borgar just clicks continue true

[stable dawn]

if that were true they'd be commander level 160

[pseudo copper]

Commander level 16

[stable dawn]

Washington is so casual you can make top 10 eos using mafia: a fleet comp that is 3 entire metas behind and 2 years old.

[pseudo copper]

Dr Aoste too good

[stable dawn]

so good he once lost to weeb

[empty mesa]

Doesn't he use some scuffed comp with Shima and Aya?

[stable dawn]

idk, I don't pvp lol

[empty mesa]

[stable dawn]

[pseudo copper]

So Aoste is Beth?

[stable dawn]

no, beth is more humble

[pseudo copper]

True

[neon bronze]

What's Mafia?

[light crystal]

[winged depot]

[lusty hill]

Ayanami good

[stable dawn]

aya cute, therefore meta

however...

[stable dawn]

where's your blu-ray skin smh

[iron lake]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[lusty hill]

457 is better for anyone except musashi

[neon bronze]

does triple 407 exist...

[iron lake]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[pseudo copper]

You rarely use any form of triples, pin should give you an idea

[lean geode]

what's the best pvp fleet these days

still this?

[stable dawn]

yeah nobody has dev30 Kearsarge yet

[lean geode]

was wondering if chise with augment was relevant

[stable dawn]

not sure tbh

[zenith lantern]

she's really squishy

[stable dawn]

how is she compared to Aquila?

[zenith lantern]

about as good as aquila

[stable dawn]

interesting

[zenith lantern]

I've been using her since the augment

I finish every fight with max 5 ships alive except against complete joke fleets

[whole salmon]

After still leveling them but after this week

I’ll probably have Gridman team up

I still needed Yume and Rikka to be fully prepared

I have faith in mecha memes

[zenith lantern]

I hope Gridman works to give some variety in vanguards

[lean geode]

what is this crazy sushi gun in the doc

blue one

[stable dawn]

most of musashi's damage comes from her barrage and it's enhanced when using an IJN gun. So you put on the fastest good IJN gun that you can, which is the one given in the doc. (Mikasa gun is technically faster but deals basically 0 damage and is Normal ammo type instead of HE)

[whole salmon]

It is the fastest IJN HE gun, Musashi plays around with barrage since it is more consistent

Running Izumo gun or Yamato gun isn’t as worth it due to them being slower

Especially Yamato gun, ignore at all cost

[flint python]

[lusty hill]

Robot meta

[whole salmon]

If Rikka Yume comp works

People won’t have to complain about not having Shima anymore

Just run Gridman comp

[empty mesa]

They will complain it's limited collab units.

[lusty hill]

wasn't there people that complain about the ryza fleet

something something pay to win

[delicate mango]

Just wait for shima rerun

[brazen socket]

Giant robot meta

[pseudo copper]

Rikka too p2w pls nerf manjuu

[neon bronze]

[valid oxide]

If rikka chise yume unironicaly decent I might try it

[coral wren]

With goldburn on my Anchorage, should I put Shinana on flagship instead of Musashi kai gun?

[valid oxide]

Why goldburn ancho

[coral wren]

Why not more hp or bad?

[valid oxide]

Because she should be using manjuu

Kicks + manjuu is her usual gear

Give like harbin goldburn

[covert helm]

Hypothetical: What do you think would happen if Slash Attacks didn't start on a cool down in PvP?

(Talking about the Augment induced area or spread attacks)

[hidden robin]

well

then all ships with torpedo slots would no longer be pvp viable

if you had that lvl 3 slash that causes armor break, backline meta would become full BBs.

heck you might even bring munition ships.

[covert helm]

Overall a good assessment, I think

I personally disagree on the complete disregard for torpedoes (they simply would have to fire at intervals that fall not into the 15s +/- 1s slot)

I wonder if it that change would be enough to slow down the mode further for more building variety

Your mention of munition ships gives me hope, but this probably more thinking "everything important is now the backline - so anything that boosts it is good"

[hidden robin]

imo in order for PvP to have more build variety, HP of all ships should be boosted to at least x20 based health (not sure about HP from gears)

[whole salmon]

Variety is unlikely to happen

At most, you would have 4 fleets

People would just test stuff and figure out what works and everyone would run that

[hidden robin]

longer match, more possibility, more variables, builds that take advantage of initial attacks (like the good ol' Torpedo meta) is no longer a monstrous advantage, but still viable

[whole salmon]

Since at the end of the day, pvp fleets are only split into 2 categories

Either you are a fast fleet or a slow fleet

[hidden robin]

but longer match should go along with less pvp match needs to fight everyday

[whole salmon]

And that’s all you can do

If you eliminate fast fleet altogether, everyone would run slow fleet

And you would get stall comps everywhere

[whole salmon]

This would hurt fast comp a lot

[hidden robin]

hell, in another note, i would like that win-lose record on main profile to be removed

[whole salmon]

I remember when fast comp torp meta was a thing

And every fight was basically rock paper scissors

Which is cancerous

[hidden robin]

yeah Jintsuu + ayameme

backliners got removed in seconds

[whole salmon]

Then Manjuu introduced multiple patches with many items like WNT, Manjuu, Ancho, Juneau kai

As to kill the fast comp for good

Heck Italian ships had torp shields and torp damage reduction as to kill the fast comp

[hidden robin]

not really kill, they're still viable

a longer match would make lots of possibilities to happen

[covert helm]

This is also my line of thinking

[whole salmon]

The Noshiro Naganami Jintsuu era was the most cancerous era to exist

Right after black aux torp got introduced

Run these 3 and you can delete 3 ships in the first 5 seconds

Every match would be rock paper scissors

[whole salmon]

The best counter to this at the time was like

Triple tank

Juneau Azuma Yukikaze

But even that counter comp wasn’t good

[hidden robin]

Yuki as lead vanguard as a copium kek

[whole salmon]

Currently the triple BB comp

And by extension the Aquila comp

Still functions based on the fast comp principle

They would win the frontline fight due to torp volume from Harbin and Shima, with follow up from Aquila and/or the BBs

[whole salmon]

If this happens, the chances of winning frontline fight with Harbin Shima is less likely

Which would transition things over to Juneau and thus slow comps would be more popular

[covert helm]

Possibly, although Juneau herself couldn't mount the augment to delete the torps (or would need 2 more ships with a spread module). And I'm not sure whether the range by one slash (area) module would be enough to get enough of the torps to matter (depends on starting positions, torp launch time and relative movements)

But, yes, probably it (the one slash area augment module) would get many torps and matter most of the time

[whole salmon]

I mean she could mount it

Nothing suggests her not being able to do it

just because we don't often do it doesn't mean it is impossible

the sword

[covert helm]

yep, but the sword only gives access to the spread slash (which on lvl 1 only deletes bullets)

[whole salmon]

You can mount sword in pvp now on Juneau due to the decrease in CV usage

[whole salmon]

Then run 2 CLs, each with a sword

I don’t see the issue

[covert helm]

You would 3 CLs/DDs with the slash attack in order for it to delete torps or (at least) one CA/DD with an areas slash

I'm not saying it is not possible but the light pressure (EDIT: running augments this way) and opportunity cost of running CLs in this set up would show (and make it more susceptible to other comps --> good for variety)

[whole salmon]

What other comps

Which comp

Provide concrete examples

In this hypothetical situation of Ancho Juneau 1 CL with level 1 Area and level 2 Spread wiping out bullet and torps in the beginning of the match

Which comp, I’m interested

[covert helm]

If one CA or DD can somewhat safeguard against torps, that frees slots for 2 vanguard ships

[whole salmon]

And who would that free up for? Anchorage and Juneau would still be used

There’s only 1 slot left

[covert helm]

variety in the backline can probably not really be achieved this way

[whole salmon]

You can’t replace Anchorage, this method on serves to further increase the usefulness of Anchorage

And without torps, Juneau wouldn’t have to worry

So you only have 1 slot left, so much for variety

[covert helm]

it would increase anchorages usefulness to a degree, but the main advantage (besides her hugh HP) is her ability to wither the first onslaught

[whole salmon]

That’s not her main advantage

Her main advantage is that she is the tankiest frontline unit in pvp and that your comp crumbles without her

Regardless if it is torp or shells, Anchorage still pull through

That’s why she’s needed, not only because she can tank preload

[covert helm]

she is tanky - no doubt - and would remain so, but there are gaps in her skill uptime that provide much to her tankiness

[whole salmon]

And how would you exploit that gap?

Certainly not with any frontliner

• Variety of using quick load CVs? Terrible, already tested

And how would countering Anchorage force variety? You would still use her if she is countered since you don’t have any other tankier unit

• Use Agir? People have tried but since she’s Heavy armor and slow, she’s still vulnerable.
• Use slow torp that fires during that gap? That have already been tried with Duca for years. Doesn’t really do anything

Pvp isn’t a moba game, it is a formula of a handful of comps

[covert helm]

That's how it is now, but I don't see why it has to stay this way

[whole salmon]

It isn’t “how it is now”

It is “how it always have been”

Since the beginning of the game, it has been this way

We simply powercreep one comp to the next

The most we had was like 4 meta comps and 5 variants

[covert helm]

So I'm looking for easy to implement (and thus suggest) ideas to make PvP more interesting

I don't want to "force" any spedific old or new comp but make the meta wider

[whole salmon]

New mechanic gets introduced every now and then and people would still figure out the best comp and everyone uses the same formula

[whole salmon]

You have to assume every top pvp player have access to and can raise every unit in the game

And if they have access to every unit, logically they would find the best combination

And that is what has happened, for the last 6 years

[covert helm]

I don't - that's why I chose a gear like augements that everyone has access to

[whole salmon]

You may not but you have to assume everyone does, cus that’s what pvp is

You can’t base the meta on what you have as an individual

The game is quite generous so you have to assume that most top players you meet will have access to every top unit

[whole salmon]

Which is why pvp relevant PR ships are so interesting

[covert helm]

and that's alright, too. but I'd like to see more of the rock-paper-scissor again

[whole salmon]

Since there is a small buffer period before people get them to dev 30

As for URs, people can raise them in a week

[covert helm]

possibly added with new varients (-lizard-spock-etc)

[whole salmon]

The meta would shift instantly and you might already start seeing them in pvp over night

[covert helm]

Don't you find it incredibly dull when there is one dominating composition?

[whole salmon]

This was what happened with New Jersey and Shinano in particular

[whole salmon]

The devs do change things up through powercreeping

Just that they did it too much with Musashi and she ended up deleting the Italians from the meta

Same went for Anchorage, New Jersey and Shimakaze

[covert helm]

But it stays one dominating composition pretty much every time - not a handful that keep each other in check

[whole salmon]

Not really, there will always be 2 dominating teams

A fast comp and a slow comp

Balanced as every meta should be

• Fast comp went from Italian Mafia -> Triple BB Zoomer -> Musashi Yakuza -> Triple BB Musashi
• Slow comp went from Triple IJN -> Weeb Double CV 1 BB -> Musashi Shinano New Jersey

Slow comp and fast comp always exist and keep each other in balance at all times

[whole salmon]

You could even go further back in time

[covert helm]

Ok, let's say it is as you say 2 comps (fast and slow), but why limit the variety to 2 and not more?

[whole salmon]

Fast comp triple BB preload Riche FDG Amagi vs Slow comp Nagato Shinano Hiryuu

[covert helm]

The design should be open enough in several dimensions to allow for more than 1 or 2 compositions imo

[whole salmon]

Because you are either fast and try to end the match quickly or you try to tank it out and counter attack later. A 3rd playstyle rarely exist

[whole salmon]

We got variants of the fast comp with Seydlitz Aquila Agir comp

And now another variant in the Gridman Chise Rikka Yume

They are variants but still works under the same principle of fast comps

Since it isn’t a question about units in a comp, it is the fundamental playstyle of the comp itself

There could be like 5 variants of the fast comp in the meta but that doesn’t matter since they all function the same

It could be a Perseus fast comp, Chise fast comp, Unicorn fast comp. Doesn’t matter, same principle as Aquila

[covert helm]

Exactly, we have at least 3 and half different weapon system in the game not to mention hundreds of skills that should allow for more than just: this composition beats all (at least in an acceptable low number of resets) compositions either fast or slow.
I imagine that there should be some compositions (with variations) that have a hard time winning against an other group at all but an huge advantage against a third or fourth and vice-versa

[valid oxide]

Wait is this actually viable?

[whole salmon]

CN testing said it is but we are still testing it

Ari did beat a strong fleet with it

The main issue is the gear on Rikka

We haven’t determine the proper combination yet

Chise and Yume are quite easy to gear tho

[valid oxide]

If it's viable I'm interested to see if it's better than hymen with Aya harb

Because that's what I run (it's cope)

[valid oxide]

Yume is easy to gear? What does she run

[whole salmon]

Drake gun, UR DD Gun, Sextuple or UR AA gun, Boiler and likely Pearl

Hinden gun can replace later but most people don’t have it

[whole salmon]

Or you could switch out boiler for torpedo bulge

[valid oxide]

Does this take into account the fact that rikka "summon" puts yume in off-tank position after it ends

[whole salmon]

But this would mean you have to run 2 boiler Rikka

[whole salmon]

It doesn’t matter, I expect Yume to not last long anyways

Which is why last slot is Anchorage

Yume with Pearl and Rikka heal hopefully xan stall enough for Ancho

[valid oxide]

So would this run Sushi NJ as the other backline?

[whole salmon]

Yeah

I can’t seem to replace those 2 quite yet

[valid oxide]

And would you call it a fast or slow comp

[whole salmon]

Still fast comp

Which is why on Rikka

I’m thinking something like

Black Aux torp + MKIX + Oxygen torpedo

[valid oxide]

That sounds scary

[whole salmon]

And last 2 slots as 2 Boilers

Which would give her enough survivability

And the mech would zoom around cus speed

[valid oxide]

She would fuck up AA without vitter though

She gets a shitty default AA without that or an AA gun

[whole salmon]

Don’t worry

No one runs CVs on EN anymore

Triple BB everywhere

Occasional MSN and Yakuza

[valid oxide]

Maybe people will if gridman comp catches on

[whole salmon]

With only a few being properly geared

Chise gear then you know already

Just slap your Hiryuu or Aquila gear on her

CV gear are mostly the same

Since her Aug provides Hit stat, I’m still wondering if the last aux slot is Gold burn or if we keep to the usual WNT

Chise is still paper as usual, which is a drawback

[whole salmon]

I don’t think this comp would beat any of the top comp anyways

[valid oxide]

Wait so rikka purely torp ship with 2 boiler?

[whole salmon]

But it might still work well enough to be worth a mention

[whole salmon]

Yes

That’s my idea at least

Ari has other ideas for his comp

@fickle echo what’s your gear on Rikka

[whole salmon]

My idea was that the main damage source would be from her barrages so build her full torp for memes

[valid oxide]

So your comp would look something along these lines? (Apart from substitution of DD gun because outdated website)

[whole salmon]

If for some reason frontline isn’t fast enough, you could swap out Yume’s torp bulge for another boiler

[valid oxide]

Rikka only off-tanks for first 3s then after summon yume takes her place

[whole salmon]

Yume and Chise gear similar

Rikka gear still standard Gridman?

[valid oxide]

I don't have 2 goldburn

[fickle echo]

I'm just using anything that works until I get Yume to max level

[whole salmon]

That’s fair

We will start the Rikka experiment then

The main issue is still Rikka

The other 2 are geared the same

[valid oxide]

I think I'll experiment with gridman fleet, albeit at a slower place because of gold bulins

I'll probably be somewhere close to ready by next month because I need another bulin for NJ too

[whole salmon]

What you mentioned the last part was what happened for a smaller period of time

It was during slow comp NJ Shinano Hiryuu Ancho Shima Juneau (slow comp)

Was in a stalemate against NJ VV Aquila Ancho Shima Duca (fast comp)

[whole salmon]

Then we introduced the Seydlitz NJ Aquila Ancho Agir Shima comp. Which worked against the slow comp due to stacking 60% slows of Agir’s quint magnetic torp and Aquila’s swordfish

Followed up by Seydlitz’s fast load, NJ’s 10 sec barrage and Shima’s torps which destroyed the slow comp’s stall frontline

[whole salmon]

The devs then introduced Harbin which killed this comp

Seydlitz is still used but the popularity of Agir decreased drastically

Then Musashi came out and destroyed all 3 comps

[deft escarp]

Namagiryuu?

[valid oxide]

The fact that gridman fleet might even be vaguely viable amuses me

[deft escarp]

@whole salmon Would 3 torp bulges on Rikka allow her to tank all of Shima's torps to a similar capacity to Anchorage?

[valid oxide]

Bulges don't stack apparently

[deft escarp]

[flint python]

I use this

since big robot is bugged I don't care about speed that much

[valid oxide]

What part of the robot is bugged?

[valid oxide]

Respond

[neon bronze]

[valid oxide]

I need to know which part of the gridman is bugged

[deft escarp]

[flint python]

stuff that targets either rikka or yume whie transformed get sent to the shadow realm

also if robot dies stuff can still lock on to it

[flint python]

things that has lock targeting like bb salvo , lock on barrages like nj's and musashi's lightning etc.

[valid oxide]

Is that good or bad

[hollow walrus]

does that mean the mecha can block shots

[valid oxide]

If it's something that blocks shots then maybe it can shift the meta

finally I can have a meta fleet

[flint python]

doesn't block

literally makes them disappear lol

[hollow walrus]

oh my lmao

[neon bronze]

Fucking rude

My wifi just died on me

[pseudo copper]

[valid oxide]

Gridman fleet new meta then

[neon bronze]

[flint python]

nah

but it's good

[valid oxide]

Prob better than my bootleg hymen fleet

Which is why I want to run it for fun

Well, that's if gacha gives me yume

[flint python]

no rate up

[hollow walrus]

isn't she on rateup in 2nd banner

[junior trench]

Have nothing to add to this convo, but I just want to say, from one Saratoga fan to another, I salute you.

[neon bronze]

[valid oxide]

She is on original banner, which is why I'm pulling original banner

[grim solar]

Pardon the ignorance but is the MSN fleet more of a situational comp?

Cuz from what I understood, it's used to counter Biz II centric tri-BB defensive comps, right?

[lusty hill]

I think it meant to be the most consistent vs all defensive comps

the triple BB is usually very consistent too but may have problem vs zwei fleet (although you can just reset the batte until you win)

[brazen socket]

Already used up your invite from shop?

[valid oxide]

I used it on rikka

I am at the mercy of gacha now

[neon bronze]

Best consistency comp on the meta rn

[grim solar]

Mmmm. But assuming you could just avoid Biz II comps, it wouldn't be a problem though, no?

[valid oxide]

It's still pretty consistent against other triple BB comps so it doesn't really matter whether BZ is there or not

[grim solar]

(A lot of people still run Mafia in Avrora for context.)

[valid oxide]

Run gridman against mafia

[grim solar]

One last question, but what is it about Shinano that makes her so consistently top tier in PvP compared to Hakuryuu/Implacable/York II?

[lusty hill]

technically yes but a good pvp strategy isn't about avoiding a certain fleet but about fighting the leftmost opponent or the sandbagging strategy

[brazen socket]

Great tankiness and damage to put it shortly

[scenic tendon]

1. Her self dmg reduction buff
2. 2 torpedoes slots
3. Great hp

[valid oxide]

She is tanky, does good damage, and has a debuff iirc

[robust patio]

Is there a reason my ships aren't shooting this guy's ship? It's happened multiple times

[neon bronze]

great damage w/ two wyverns and a suisei 12a ☑️
good survivability, best of her hull type ☑️
fleets with her tend to be really consistent in both attack and defense ☑️

[scenic tendon]

4. Her buff to other too

[valid oxide]

Aquila isn't revealed

[brazen socket]

Yes a damage enabling one like helenas but it only lasts on one random enemy

[robust patio]

isn't that red line when she gets revealed?

[valid oxide]

No

[neon bronze]

you'll see this situation a lot if you run 3 BB

[valid oxide]

She gets revealed when the entire bar is full

[scenic tendon]

the vanguard needs to spot her or a cv/cvl has to do the job

or else she wont get targetted by BBs

[valid oxide]

Red line is just to mark when she will become concealed again (if she is revealed)

[grim solar]

Mmmm, alright thanks for the answers.
Aight I'm off to steam roll Mafia comps now.

[robust patio]

ahh

[scenic tendon]

There is a small tip confronting mafia comp

just put juneau at the frontmost

it works pretty well for me

[neon bronze]

[grim solar]

[valid oxide]

Juneau tank is 🚮

[robust patio]

i've got junea on the offtank slot

[scenic tendon]

the reason is

[valid oxide]

Anchorages job is to absorb torps

[scenic tendon]

you need her to be dead asap

[brazen socket]

double gyro best way to make juneau die faster yeah?

[scenic tendon]

so Aquila's preload is useless, also the vanguard

[valid oxide]

And she dies too quickly at the front unless you build her tanky in which case why are you even using her

[valid oxide]

That's what anchorage is for

[scenic tendon]

no

[valid oxide]

Dude, anchorages job is to absorb damage while taking none

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wait i forgot the bb name

lmao

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describe her

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vine...

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veneto

vittorio veneto

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yea yea veneto

damn

[valid oxide]

VV

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dont worry just pray for VV retrofit to revive mafia comp

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so Mafia's high burst damage at the start is pretty useless when you let Juneau dies faster

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or better yet, VV II

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[valid oxide]

Notice how anchorage has a smokescreen

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you forgot the backlines wouldnt receive heal when it needs

[valid oxide]

Notice how it lasts for most of mafias initial burst

And Aquila and vv do so much damage to your backline

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and the result is pretty much the stage is now your bbs and Aquila

[brazen socket]

you know what would be funny, if juneau retrofit made it so that when juneau dies too she also resets her fleets concealment

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so I found out if I let my Juneau dies asap

[valid oxide]

What even is your backline

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typical 3 bbs

I dont have Shima tho

[flint python]

if you struggle against mafia that's skill issue

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I really dont

[valid oxide]

If it's taking such significant preload damage you must be running like monarch warkai vang

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I'm just speaking based on my experiences

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Like I run sushi fdg hiryuu and mafia fucking sucks against it

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Musashi/NJ/FdG

[valid oxide]

Hiryuu doesn't even take that much danage

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[flint python]

just run ancho front juneau back

then wnt flag

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nah

[flint python]

rip mafia

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ofc I run into mafia sometimes

[valid oxide]

Oh yeah maybe it's because I run wnt hiryuu flag

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and the problem is my stall vanguard

so I have to do a little swap things

[valid oxide]

I run usually run stall and mafia gets rolled

[flint python]

wtf gear are you even running

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I just put Juneau frontmost if I see Mafia

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Inb4 manjuu NJ