pvp

[stable dawn]

the pvp brainrot

[light crystal]

Guys

Will Kearsarge be meta

[neon bronze]

omg it's aoste

Hello!

[torpid shuttle]

does msn need ijn proc in particular

who flags with this

does shinano flag with WNT?

[pseudo copper]

Sushi flag

[torpid shuttle]

ill try it

[pseudo copper]

If you wanna proc Shina dr skill then you'd be using a 3rd IJN yes

[torpid shuttle]

i read TL, harbin same tier as like aya

ill just wait shima

[pseudo copper]

Just cope using Ykkz

[torpid shuttle]

is MSN using WNT or anything

nj and musa list beaver at most for utility, shina lists frontier medal but you say no flag

• one CV this time but yeah

[neon bronze]

Yeah

[torpid shuttle]

so hpfcr wnt flag musa

[neon bronze]

yes

[cedar herald]

Whats so good about the mk 35 magnetic torps? Compared to the usual IB stuff

[pseudo copper]

Table + wnt ideally yes

[torpid shuttle]

nj or shina bot pref?

[pseudo copper]

NJ top usually

[torpid shuttle]

aight

[pseudo copper]

Unlike KMS quad/quint mags, they fire like the teatorps but are slightly magnetic

[cedar herald]

Okkk time to craft then ty

[fickle echo]

The only scenario were the quad/quints are worth in PvP is when the vanguard ship survives long enough to hit the backline at close range

But usually any vanguard would be dead before they can launch quad/quint a 2nd time

[trail temple]

Frontier medal is more for weeb and meeb fleet where you take advantage of the opponent using wnt's effect

[neon bronze]

[torpid shuttle]

well i was just running musa shin hiryuu, i know to swap it off now

[sand apex]

What do you do when the game doesnt give you an option to fight someone with higher rank than you? Refresh or just fight the best option?

Also is there a way to check how many refreshes you have left

[light crystal]

Meta.

[neon bronze]

Refresh, until you can't ensure a +10 and are at no refreshes.
Though Lil E pvp might be more unforgiving, I've heard of the top baggers in the first few pvp seasons avoiding 8s and 7s.

[neon bronze]

No, you'll want to remember how many refreshes you spent.

[lusty hill]

is this real or fake

[neon bronze]

Real.

[lusty hill]

pog

[sand apex]

What happens if you fight someone lower ranked? +10 is the minimum from fighting someone higher?

[light crystal]

NJ + Kearsarge new meta, trust.

[neon bronze]

You get a +9, even if they are at one rank below you. One.
For getting 8s and 7s, refer to the third pinned comment.

[whole salmon]

NJ’s buff doesn’t work on Kearsarge cus she is BBV

Manjuu Kearsarge new meta to replace NJ

[whole salmon]

If you fight someone higher ranked, you get +10 min. If they are 35 points ahead then you get +11, etc

[hollow walrus]

yet. We might see the skill updated to include BBVs like what happened to some CA skills that had CBs added

[whole salmon]

If you fight someone lower ranked then you get +9

[lusty hill]

ultimate newbie bullying

[whole salmon]

If they are behind by a certain point then you get +8

[sand apex]

Thanks

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

Kearsarge may or may not be meta in pvp, but there will be one thing she will be meta in

thighs

[steel coral]

she'll be in

my bed

[neon bronze]

https://g.us.sinaimg.cn/o0/Phlx38Mdlx086WMIK6RG010412000QAq0E010.mp4?label=gif_mp4&template=994x608.28.0&Expires=1689141853&ssig=4UAL7UbXys&KID=unistore,video

Please beam me

[trail temple]

If she was in FGO, she would be a saber

[lusty hill]

she will buff BB and CV and USS fleet will be meta

[trail temple]

Guess Eri will be ahead of the curve then

[stable dawn]

wish granted:
Increases ASW of CVLs by 20%
Increases CV RLD by 2%
Increases BB HIT by 1
When a fleet this ship isn't in starts a battle, launches a funny plane barrage.

[lusty hill]

Skill 1:
This ship fire special barrage on main gun fire. If New Jersey is in the same fleet, this ship also gain New Jersey barrage on main gun fire

[trail temple]

Skill 2:
Wait till tomorrow to find out her skills

[flint python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/867414388990148638.webp?size=48&name=SpeepoLaffing&quality=lossless

[empty mesa]

Bold of you to ask people to use skill when most of us have skill issue.

[delicate mango]

I don't have skill issues cause I use Mafia

[flint python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1067110450858307614.webp?size=48&name=PeepoSkillIssue&quality=lossless

[flint python]

so... you do huh

[trail temple]

If you're using mafia and still winning (against a real meta fleet - not something from Washy), that's certainly not skill issue

[junior trench]

So she’s been out for a while so I figure we have a better idea on her usefulness.
Has anyone used Royal Oak in PVP? If so, what are your thoughts?

[empty mesa]

Never seen anyone using her.

[trail temple]

We don't have enough ingenuity in our servers, we keep to the ol' faithful and don't straight from the well-beaten path

[uncut agate]

rainbow good

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/clash-of-streamers-prps-reliable-gif-24729207

[whole salmon]

Just use Seydlitz and save yourself the hassle

[neon bronze]

tl;dr: not good

[junior trench]

Me who doesn’t have Seydlitz:

[delicate mango]

Even T1 fleets on the spreadsheet still gets beaten up by my Mafia

[trail temple]

Using Royal Oak and Seydlitz with Hiryuu must be a big brain move

[junior trench]

Team Undead

Can someone test that team and see how well it does?

[whole salmon]

Aside from walling under par fleets, it likely just stalls and that’s about it

It isn’t going to beat proper fleets

By proper fleets I mean both proper ships and gears with enhancement

Cus a lot of times you would see high tier fleet comps with pve gear

[trail temple]

Stall for 20 seconds

[candid sluice]

doesnt even do that well at stalling cus they die immediately

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/SWlYdsmmbZc
https://youtu.be/GOVnByqr03Y

Remember kids, that's why you use manjuu Ancho on your 3 BB fleet

[neon bronze]

if kearsarge has planes in her loadout then maybe that anti 3-BB fleet ain't be working

[neon bronze]

why does Anchorage yeet herself in the 2nd vid

[fickle echo]

That's the skin animation from when she dies

[pseudo copper]

Are you suggesting a BBV with no planes?

[neon bronze]

i thought they could be trying something new with BBVs

[junior trench]

I have a feeling that Kearsarge will have ghost secondaries.

[stable dawn]

why is the first video age restricted lmaoooooooo

[fickle echo]

Lewd loading screens

[stable dawn]

[junior trench]

IMO, ghost secondaries make a lot of sense to me, we have BBs that have a torpedo slot but ghost secondary guns, so I see no reason why they won’t do that for Kearsarge to help her not feel underpowered.

[fickle echo]

I think that's why ALM retired, he can't get his videos monetized this way

[pseudo copper]

Stop guessing, datamine is literally like 13-14h away

Just sleep now

[neon bronze]

Time to sleep and overkap

[pseudo copper]

Knowing you, bet you can manage to undo your exercises and overcap

[junior trench]

It’s 11:00 AM here, why would I sleep?

I might miss lunch

[pseudo copper]

When is it not an appropriate time to sleep?

Just sleep 24/7

[neon bronze]

https://imgur.com/xphNWxe

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/Kfr8HFLypYk
https://youtu.be/tjZ45Qv_6PQ

Tried Tamaki and Vanguard too both with Manjuu Anchorage

Vanguard lost right in the first fight

No age restriction this time poggers

[sand apex]

Azur lane pvp in a nutshell is wait until 5 mins before reset to do your fights, redo

[fickle echo]

You could be unethical and ping people to move

[vague fox]

Who should get the table and badge between NJ and Musshi, with Musshi as flag? And should I use an HPFCR or a White shell with it?

[pseudo copper]

That's just Lil E experience

[pseudo copper]

You always use table/hpfcr p much

What comp are you running?

[vague fox]

The MSN with Anchor/Harb/June

[honest moon]

Fast shelling musashi to kill frontline? Table on musashi. You see light armor frontliners die fast

[pseudo copper]

WNT on Sushi, badge on NJ

[vague fox]

No table?

[honest moon]

Table or treaty? Always thought table referred to admiralty fire control radar

[pseudo copper]

Table is same slot as hpfcr

Literally just a better one

[fickle echo]

[honest moon]

What's badge again? Beaver?

[vague fox]

oh, because I read this as Table+HPFCR

[pseudo copper]

It's / for or

[vague fox]

so this dumbo is clear, WNT/Table on sashi, Badge/HPFCR on NJ?

[pseudo copper]

Yes

[honest moon]

Running treaty+table on sushi with HE gun against light vanguards.

Shell+hpfcr on NJ

[pseudo copper]

Oh wait you are Amagi

[honest moon]

Think i might be wasting beaver on anchor but no kicks

Too poor to afford shoes

[vague fox]

Thanks

[pseudo copper]

You are and kicks ez to get

Np

[honest moon]

Just run archives right

[pseudo copper]

Yeah 60 runs so 15 days

[honest moon]

Also the poor part's a followup joke

Eew no time

[vague fox]

this is the right torp right?

[fickle echo]

Gray

[honest moon]

Eh.. go for blue colour

Also, check pins on pvp quips

[vague fox]

Guide shows a rare 550, but links to a common

[honest moon]

Bruh. Double check the link

There's both gray and blue. One does not simply use gray in AL

[hollow walrus]

There are two rarities for it. It always auto-links to the lower rarity and there's a button at the top for the other rarities

[vague fox]

Yeah usually there is, but not for this one

[hollow walrus]

Mobile?

[ember veldt]

Wiki is acting up. There is a blue

[honest moon]

It directs me to blue while im on mobile

[vague fox]

PC

Huh

[honest moon]

Someone's PC is acting wonky

Or maybe its a browser issue

[vague fox]

Where's the blue from? Gear lab?

[honest moon]

Nope. Check your inventory crafting

[hollow walrus]

blue is from research gear

[vague fox]

Found it, thanks

[hollow walrus]

you should have a lot

[sand apex]

Well yeah any other server id get trashed lmao

[zenith lantern]

Shame on you bullying my CN copium fleet, you were supposed to make it look good so people copied it. All you did was make me want to switch back to Seydlitz again

[fickle echo]

There's already more than enough people using Aquila on EN, we don't need a fleet that instantly loses to it

[sour pawn]

So I am currently rank 77 after returning (I haven't been doing the whole sandbag thing, just doing exercises whenever they're free) and I've just come back recently after stopping after Shimikaze event and use full torp meme+preload of what I have to just decimate the competition. I only really struggle against mafia fleets (but they don't seem to exist anymore) and sometimes I do have to reset 1 or 2 times if the torps miss. Is there anything you could recommend to improve it?

[valid oxide]

Anchorage and Harbin for a start

Ancho shima Juneau also works if you want a stall vanguard

Do you have blacktorp?

[sour pawn]

Anchorage doesn't fit the style of 1 shotting all thw backline apart from NJ if she has the manjuu aux. I have tried her and it just makes the comp worse as a result. I don't have Musashi like the guide recommends

YesI run it on Shima, she usually does 50-70k dmg a fight

[valid oxide]

Manjuu NJ , shima and Harbin have enough oneshotting potential, anchorage stops your vanguard from dying

Manjuu NJ is

Do you want a stall or aggro fleet

[sour pawn]

I only ever see it on NJ or Ancho, and Ancho is usually the only thing left to kill after a fight

[valid oxide]

Also if your plan is backline sniping then those torps

[sour pawn]

These torps are the best, they're the longest range 1s that actually reach backline on attack, what?

[valid oxide]

Teatorps exist

And are much better on shima

[sour pawn]

And what are 'teatorps'?

[valid oxide]

First I want to know if you have goldburn

[sour pawn]

I don't, I said I stopped after Shimi and only just came back to Biszwei

[valid oxide]

I don't know event order so I was just making sure

@sour pawn shima gun is personal preference on whether you use 76mm or British single 120, you could also try running ASW torps + oxytorp instead of teatorp + blacktorp, post backline dock please

[sour pawn]

I don't have Harbin, I told you I just came back. I do have Ancho at FS5 though

[valid oxide]

Then get harbin

She's permanently available after all

Also in the mean time if you don't have Harbin, you could try using duca or noshiro

[sour pawn]

I'm focusing on Ply first, but I'm probs just gonna skip PR5 because PR6 comes out tomorrow and I have nowhere near the BPs to finish any of them. Also everything that is PR4 and below is FS5 I believe

And I tried Noshiro in the vang instead of Jintsuu but her torps buffs aren't as good

[valid oxide]

So you have nosh?

[sour pawn]

Yes

[valid oxide]

Try this, also i wasnt sure on whether to use WNT or medal on nano, chose medal but please experiment with both

(I beg that a better PvPer than me give advice )

[sour pawn]

Isn't this just gonna slow the fleet down massively, give the enemy Jeanue a chance to die and proc martyr and I'm just gonna loose to the better backliners?

[valid oxide]

That's what MSN (and this bootleg) wants to do, actually might change noshiro to Juneau

[sour pawn]

Yes exactly, but I'm missing the best one, Musashi so I feel like it's a waste to even try to do the same fleet but worse

[valid oxide]

I do hymen without NJ and it works

[sour pawn]

Hence why I go torp meme+full preload because I can fully take out backline before they do 1 thing

[valid oxide]

You don't need a perfect fleet for attack because of attacker advantage

Wait a min il find my fleet

[valid oxide]

My (very) imperfect fleet is t2 and I don't even have the proper gear for it , also any use of German quadmag is a placeholder for American asw mag

A better PvPer than me has arrived

Or have they

They have

[hollow walrus]

Preloads can whiff killing enemy frontline due to anchorage smoke. You also lack some kind of sustained damage going Aquila and Perseus

[valid oxide]

Trust me resetting to get an easy win with torp meme isn't worth it

I did it with only Aya trying to kill only one backline and it was hell

PvP fleets that have smoke are more consistent

and have a crippling nicotine addiction

[sour pawn]

Well yeah I agree with that, Anchorage is always the last thing to die whnever I do an exercise, but the backline dies within first 5-10s of a fight. The only problems Ive really had like I said are mafia fleets or NJ+Manjuu with like a Hiryuu or somethin

[hollow walrus]

Since you don't have Sushi then FdG, NJ Hiryuu or FdG Shinano NJ is probably your best bet

[sour pawn]

But they don't seem to exist and it's just the same 'top tier' fleets I've seen and not really had a problem with them

[valid oxide]

Because you have attackers advantage and reset a shit ton of times

[hollow walrus]

yeah attacker's advantage is huge but also where is your Anchorage in the frontline

[junior trench]

I actually have a question myself (not the guy you were talking to obviously), but is Tamaki a better choice than Hiryuu when running NJ + FdG?

[sour pawn]

I tried running Ancho with Noshiro+Shimikaze and it just makes the fleet fall apart, I lack the dmg to one shot the backlines anymore, then Juenaeu just heals them back to full and it's a loss

[hollow walrus]

Again you lose because you don't have the sustain in your backline to kill the enemy

[valid oxide]

Because your backline is double preload

[hollow walrus]

You are relying so much on preloads for most of your damage

[hollow walrus]

if no Sushi?

[sour pawn]

Well yeah because it seems to work

[junior trench]

Yes

[valid oxide]

Most of your backlines damage gets eaten by ancho and any other damage it deals gets healed by pearl or Juneau later in the fight

[junior trench]

I personally had really bad luck with the IJN UR events

[hollow walrus]

I went Tamaki instead of Hiryuu because of personal preference although I did run Hiryuu beforehand. Can't tell you how big it is since I gave up this season due to overcapping 2 straight days kek

[valid oxide]

I went hiryuu because I can't be bothered raising tamaki

[hollow walrus]

Tamaki hotter

[valid oxide]

In needed my gold bulins for Pve sub fleet

[junior trench]

I mean… not many ships are willing to go to battle in only their underwear

[sour pawn]

I mean sure, but I don't want Juneau dying and it's good that they have the smoke because I still get the crash dmg of all 3 airstrikes+the torps from all 3 vang too

Without the threat of Juneau healing them because of the smoke

[valid oxide]

Ancho eats torps for free and Juneau has naturally high AA

Like anchorage literally doesn't take damage while smoke is up because of barrier and 100% Eva rate if said barrier is broken

[sour pawn]

Again probabbly why she's alwyas the last 1 to die in fights

[valid oxide]

And Juneau is like san Diego junior

[junior trench]

Diet San Diego

[hollow walrus]

San Diet-go

[junior trench]

San Diego Numbah One

[valid oxide]

Juneau is the numbah two to Sandy's numba wan

[sour pawn]

But I have also been told that because I'm on Sandy it's the only reason why I can get top 100 with the fleet I'm using because no one on this server uses proper fleets or proper gear or something?

[hollow walrus]

Oh it's Sandy

[valid oxide]

And shima boosts vanguard Eva stat when launching torps iirc

[hollow walrus]

Def fleets in Sandy are meme af

[valid oxide]

Just be an amagi PvP player

[junior trench]

Sounds about right… considering I’m on Sandy

[valid oxide]

Free AotN

[sour pawn]

Idk they all seem the same combination of these ships

[junior trench]

I mean, as soon as I can Im leveling my Neptunia ships to be my defense fleet.

[sour pawn]

The same 3 vang with Mysashi+NJ with rnadom 3rd ship

[valid oxide]

Almost like ancho shima Juneau sushi and NJ are good ships in PvP

Also the 3rd ship usually isn't random

[hollow walrus]

@sour pawn You can also check pins for pvp tierlist/guide on why said ships are being used

[junior trench]

I do wonder why they seemingly have Anchorage in the back spot though

[valid oxide]

Some amagi players do it too, strange strat that equals free win for me so

Juneau tank sucks

[sour pawn]

I mean the 5 ships stay the same then the last 6th ship is Aquila, SHinano, Hiryuu usually or something else

[junior trench]

I’m about to do Vampire tank

[valid oxide]

So Yakuza, MSN or Hymen

[hollow walrus]

Yeah because Sushi + NJ backline is stronk

[valid oxide]

Wait is sushi NJ aql Yakuza?

My memory fails me

[hollow walrus]

Yes

[sour pawn]

Idk I feel like I'll swap things around once I can't beat fleets consistently, attackers advantage just too OP ig

[hollow walrus]

Also for this I guess it's a preference if you want Hiryuu's safety net or somewhat faster exercises with Tamaki

[valid oxide]

Not switching to actually good fleet is a bad habit

[hollow walrus]

I mean attacker's advantage is real good

[valid oxide]

Attackers advantage only goes too far, especially with your comp being super fragile to other preload comps

[hollow walrus]

But if you want more consistency I'd really recommend you using a fleet that isn't RNG

[valid oxide]

It only takes one shima to make your vanguard go bye bye

[hollow walrus]

Also if you really want to go that route for sniping then replace Shima's torps at least

[junior trench]

I see. Thanks for your help. I technically have both at high-ish levels, so I just wanted an idea of which is of better use.

[valid oxide]

Also cmon man if you are gonna use torp meme at least use noshiro naganami jintsuu

[sour pawn]

I mean yeah the fact that Shimi can crit backlines for 18k with 1 torp is something. And why would I replace her torps? I did try the gold 630mm upgrade thing in the lab but the UR 630mm just seemed better

[sour pawn]

I did that before I stopped playing the game back in the day

[valid oxide]

These are a million times better than the UR ones https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/533mm_Quintuple_Torpedo_Mount_Mk_IX#Type_0-0

[hollow walrus]

mags or those UR ones fan out too much

[sour pawn]

I feel like the scaling on them is much less, I do use it on Jintsuu though

Then the upgraded 630mm in the lab on Poi

[valid oxide]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/533mm_Mark_35_Torpedo_Mount_(Quad_Consecutive_Launch)#Type_0-0 this is also better than the torps you are using

[hollow walrus]

it's not the fact that the damage is worse. It's the fact that it's straight firing so higher chance to snipe

[valid oxide]

Fanning out sucks because it's does nothing unless the ship is called duca degli Abruzzi and the torps are magnetic

[sour pawn]

Yeah and thats the reason I only use it on Jintsuu so she eiether hits vang (kinda useless) or the flagship, with Shima I want to be 1 shotting all the backlines, not just 1

[valid oxide]

Except those torps will not oneshot a single backline unless the backline is genuinely not geared and is underleveled

[sour pawn]

That's the thing, usually 1 torp critting is 16-18k dmg and that's what the preloads are for, the guranteed 30-40% from crashes

Unless they're med then it's like 14k

[valid oxide]

And then when a preload hits you your entire operation falls apart because you have no AA, no sustained damage, and a remarkably fragile backline

You aren't even proccing NJ damage reduction

Or her additional stats

Because she is the sole USS ship there

[sour pawn]

I mean if that was the case I don't think I'd be top 50 without doing the PvP properly

That or like I said before, just a Sandy thing so peoples uquipment might suck, idk

[valid oxide]

Be realistic you are top 50 because you are on sandy

You are like 50th place in the 50 people who actually play on sandy

[junior trench]

Well, I’m extremely embarrassed that I’m nowhere near top 50

So I’m curious, I saw Ayanami Kai being suggested if you don’t have Shimakaze, however, I’m wondering as to why Yuudachi Kai isn’t suggested as another alternative. Does she just not work as good as Ayanami for PvP?

Or is it just because she’s also limited?

[sour pawn]

My guess would be that Aya torps are just better where Poi is like 60/40 torp/gun

[hollow walrus]

Better torps

[junior trench]

I see

[hollow walrus]

Oh also hello Aldarn

[zenith lantern]

Aya's pretty overrated imo. She's fine if you want to reset lots until she actually does something

But Poi would be more consistent and can actually survive a little

[junior trench]

I see, I see

[sour pawn]

The main reason I run poi is that massive torp buff and her torps not being too bad

[junior trench]

I still haven’t gotten Poi yet, she doesn’t want to drop. I might as well just build up my Ayanami.

[zenith lantern]

Just use Noshiro or Duca, most of the time Aya just fires her torps straight into Ancho's shield and then dies

[junior trench]

…Noshiro has refused to show up and I don’t have Duca

[hollow walrus]

IJN really hates you lmfao

[junior trench]

Yep, back when she was meta, Nagato refused to show up for me, and I didn’t get her until I believe either the rerun or when she was added to permanent (can’t remember which).

[hollow walrus]

also isn't Noshiro in WA

[junior trench]

The only good thing I got out of IJN was when I got Akagi and Kaga to drop fairly quickly.

And, well, I did also get Amagi when she was still PvP meta.

(Autocorrect kept wanting to change “Akagi” to “Akashi” )

[fickle echo]

It happens with me too, really sus

[junior trench]

Akashi is working to advertise through subliminal messaging

[neon bronze]

Kenjii suggesting Shinano mid w/ FM on

[deft escarp]

Teatorps

[fickle echo]

The top Sandy pvper appeared

[neon bronze]

Half the time in that vid is just the loading screen

[pseudo copper]

Which is the best part of AL

[deft escarp]

[deft escarp]

That vanguard formation is also literally free

You shouldn't be struggling to win against it lol

Mf has Juneau at the front and Anchorage at the rear

[pseudo copper]

Sandy tech bro

[deft escarp]

[deft escarp]

Inb4 I wall him by accident

[junior trench]

I’m about to go Anchorage Sandy Juneau

[pseudo copper]

Who said you haven't already?

[pseudo copper]

[junior trench]

[deft escarp]

Lmao

[junior trench]

Time to go WaSDE

[deft escarp]

I think the only time I actually struggled against someone was against phoenixF

Since my vanguard struggled quite a bit against Bisko 2's black hole and I had to reset twice to win

[neon bronze]

[flint python]

[fickle echo]

[lusty hill]

20k

[stable dawn]

peak pvp

[candid sluice]

big number = good

[glass jolt]

They have decent names on their ships too

[flint python]

not 20k vanguard smh

[brazen socket]

Outside of harby would anyone else in vg like the extra rld from a second goldburn

[neon bronze]

niche ass usage: Ancho w/ gold mag torp + Goldburn counters Meeb/Weeb CV airstrikes

Not sure if Ancho also wants the stat buff from being oathed as well

[deft escarp]

I think I'm gonna end up losing like 10 points from zeroing

[steel coral]

oathed quad mag works without goldburn

[deft escarp]

Maintenance soon and if it's extended it might go over reset

[steel coral]

golburn twin torp for 356mm mushashi technically works but is just not woth it

[deft escarp]

Tf

Goldburn is the gear that gives hp and rld right?

Need one of those for Agir ngl

Wait, I could just use Bisko 2 instead of NJ in meta fights

[near light]

Enty any good in pvp?

[pseudo copper]

Check pins

[candid sluice]

depends who u ask

[trail temple]

He's asking the Salty conglomerate

[candid sluice]

in that case shes unkillable

[light crystal]

Screw Musashi

Kearsarge new meta. NJ + Kearsarge + AQL. Kearsarge apparently gives Air Resistance (+15% CV dmg) to all backliners, if one of them is USN.

[lusty hill]

I heard shimanto have 2 torps preload

shimakaze killer

[neon bronze]

Musashi - NJ - Kearsarge copium

[sand cliff]

Where to write to nerf Juneau's heal?

[hollow walrus]

From how it is written idt it's a preload

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[flint python]

guys kearsarge preload salvo and airstrike

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/863044166920437761.webp?size=48&name=Toad&quality=lossless

[lusty hill]

shimakaze killer

[winged depot]

[neon bronze]

All I know about Kearsarge are plane slots

[hollow walrus]

it's more of a "both torp mounts load at the same time"

So she can double launch but not as a preload

[lusty hill]

I see so it's like emden

[stable dawn]

[hollow walrus]

@lusty hill Nvm she does get preload

[lusty hill]

she only have one preload tho

[valid oxide]

It looks more like gascan double reload

Also if she can I can pray that I can use her > Aya because God I hate Aya

[hollow walrus]

yeah 1 preload but can double torp launch after that it seems

[clever moon]

i think aya’s cool

[valid oxide]

Aya is cringe

[flint python]

guys new hybrid comp?

[valid oxide]

Kear probably good, wait for people to have her to see

My bets is she kicks fdg

[fickle echo]

Backlines usually are trash before dev 30

[valid oxide]

When I say have her I mean d30

English is not my forte

[hidden robin]

Well if Kear’s plane can proc like 1500 burn dmg per tick

She would be pvp viable

[junior trench]

However, can she cause flooding and burn, like a certain CV ehm Saratoga?

[hidden robin]

i see no flood dmg from datamine

[junior trench]

Aha checkmate. Therefore Saratoga is better than Kearsarge

[scenic tendon]

No wau

Way

Gotta go speed

[neon bronze]

[scenic tendon]

Musashi NJ and Kearsarge

Dang her name is hard to type

But I really dont like pr6 gears

[junior trench]

Washington, South Dakota, and Kearsarge.
Time to bring it full circle.

WaSDK time

[brazen socket]

No way we shifting back to 2018

[junior trench]

I have a feeling Kearsarge will really help turn the tide of the battles against Nagato Akagi Kaga. She seems to be a bit better than Amagi, so we might finally see the end of Fox meta.

[brazen socket]

I'm really hoping it would, I can't farm fox mines so I turn to kearsarge carrying sodak

[coral wren]

i wish to see the end of anchorage + juneau

[whole salmon]

Shimakaze can do flood

As for Kear, just raise her

We will see how good she is in a few months

[deft escarp]

[stable dawn]

MNK

Monkey fleet

[torpid shuttle]

i didnt pay attention

almost lost

ancho manjuu expired earlier than i thought

[neon bronze]

experienced that at least three times with the same ship

XTrollier

[junior trench]

That better be what it's called in the tier list

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/4nBUv2PRvXw

Still had to use Manjuu NJ because of how frail Wales and VG are so it might lose to 3 CV

[glad mesa]

These people with thousands of less combined fleet power are demolishing me, why are their ships so good despite not registering fleet power at all, and what can I do to improve my comp?

[hollow walrus]

First of all fleet power is not a good indicator of performance

[junior trench]

First, Prinz Eugen isn’t really that good. She’s a meat shield and that’s it, she does hardly any damage. Eldridge is also not really going to be doing too much.
Enterprise has and always will be good, Amagi is a little old fashion, but I can see her working. However, Hood is not made for these kind of fleets. There are plenty of other BB or CV that will do better than Hood in PvP.

Before we can recommend ships though, we need to know who you have.

[pseudo copper]

Fleetpower is meaningless, it just indicates what the ships are equipped with, not how good a fleet is

[stable dawn]

no URs?

[hollow walrus]

Joined Jul 10 2023 so he doesn't have any from the looks of it

[glad mesa]

I played the first year and then quit until 3-4 days ago

[stable dawn]

[valid oxide]

Run namagiryuu

I think that's the name

[torpid shuttle]

running MSN feels weird
my backline dies more but beats the harder fleets at a better winrate

im more often having shinano alone or ancho alone

[deft escarp]

Damn

How should I counter this guy to wall him better

Man's using MSN but has Shinano flag with Frontier Medal while I have WNT Musashi

[torpid shuttle]

how do you tell that?

[valid oxide]

WNT hiryuu is better than frontier hiryuu right? Using hymen

[stable dawn]

that sounds like your Juneau is dying late. Might want to change her aux equips.

[torpid shuttle]

she's wearing double gyro

[stable dawn]

interesting

what's your exact loadout?

Like whole fleet and all

[torpid shuttle]

sec

[stable dawn]

white shell

[torpid shuttle]

nj wear beaver and ancho wear rudder manjuu or w/e
idk seems a pain

is that the failing point

i feel like i just want shima

[stable dawn]

harbin is way better with the new torps than with mags alone

Juneau prefers either the SAP gun from the recent event or the UR DD gun

[torpid shuttle]

juneau dmg too low so i stopped caring juneau

[stable dawn]

also your backline's planes and weapons aren't +13, which is likely a huge factor

[torpid shuttle]

ill do harbin uss torps, prob doesnt affect anything opsi mob

[torpid shuttle]

i can prob start after mk7 + skyraider +13s

[stable dawn]

skyraider

[torpid shuttle]

skyraider is quite easy to sync now

but that isnt pvp

[torpid shuttle]

is it really? it's 100% or 0%

[stable dawn]

the whole reason we run teatorps is to snipe backlines early.
Since you don't have shima, Harbin takes that role

[torpid shuttle]

arent teatorps and black mags slower

[stable dawn]

only the first launch

harbin has double launch

well uh, delayed 2nd launch technically

so all of her torps after initial preload will go straight

this adds in a huge RNG factor, so sometimes she deletes 2 enemy backliners on her own and other times she does literally nothing

shima is the same way

[torpid shuttle]

i see

my juneau outlasted my ancho just now

[stable dawn]

get kicks

[torpid shuttle]

mm

has pvp bought into center position takes more dmg than offtank

cos of torp splash

[stable dawn]

that's why shima has pearl

[torpid shuttle]

thought that was to space juneau proc

[stable dawn]

yes but also in the off chance she dies first

[torpid shuttle]

why not just juneau center

well depends enemy

[stable dawn]

the whole reason anything is set up this way is to reduce the number of resets lol

also torps are not the only factor for positioning

enemy BB barrage and airstrikes are equally as deadly

[ember veldt]

Sorry to cut in, but is there best torps Juneau? I've tried all the relevant ones and just can't see a difference

[stable dawn]

[ember veldt]

[fickle echo]

[light crystal]

Ok, now it's better

was realling missing that runway and planes

[tacit fox]

mk6 prototype > mk7 for preload bbs?

[neon bronze]

27s vs. 20~22s. Compared to Yamato gun at around the same timing with the prototype mk6, might not see use here. Maybe. Maybe not.

Though it's easier to +13 the prototype mk6, so it might be aight

Someone has to go test it, though.

[deft escarp]

Damage

[trail temple]

Her torp damage is so low, the difference is marginal at best

[torpid shuttle]

is tea torps black mags > american straights + speed aux

ah no, i reread it closer, american straights + oxy ~ teatorps + black

[severe spindle]

How do i get more points per fight?

[pseudo copper]

bag harder

[severe spindle]

Wdym?

[pseudo copper]

Don't use your exercises right away and wait for someone on your list to move enough to give you a bonus

Rinse and repeat as much as possible till a bit before reset, then you use up enough to go down to 5/10

[stable dawn]

you should make a pvp video guide

[pseudo copper]

True

Click continue

Feed me pls

[stable dawn]

maybe with an easy to digest video guide where 3m of information is condensed into 8 hours, Letan will finally return

[pseudo copper]

Idk bro, 8h seems too short

Should make it 2 weeks to showcase pvp patience required

[severe spindle]

[neon bronze]

ALM collab video

[stable dawn]

19 year long video about shima being T1 instead of T0

[neon bronze]

😭

[sand apex]

Guide recommends double bb guns for bis2 and new jersey but if im using helena in my pvp fleet am i better off using triples to synch like pve?

[sand cliff]

How to counter Juneau's heal?

[sand apex]

Kill faster/brung your own heals

[fickle echo]

Unlike pve you want to fire asap otherwise the enemy backline will do so and kill your ships before they can even fight back

unless your play on a server where everyone uses slow guns

[flint python]

start with not using helena

[sand apex]

My account is a month old i dont have a lot of great options

Vanguard is anchorage jumeau helena

[fickle echo]

It's Lil E, most torpedo ships suck since the devs refuse to give us Perseus archive

[sand apex]

So still better to bring fast guns and ignore radar scan?

[fickle echo]

What's is your backline like?

If you have a carrier that isn't Unicorn/Independence you can try using the radar without SG to sync with then instead of the BBs

Assuming Helena will survive long enough for that

[sand apex]

Bis2 new jersey and unicorn. Was planning to replace with hiriyuu kai soon

Shes 110

[fickle echo]

Then for now just keep it as it's, it should still sync with the last volleys at least

[sand apex]

Keep the triple guns then?

Or swap to doubles

[fickle echo]

What double guns do you have?

[sand apex]

This is my current gear. I could probably make some gold doubles in gear lab

Let me know if you see anything else that i should swap out

Helena usually has a toolbox instead of empty slot

But i dont have any gold double built yet

[fickle echo]

That gun on NJ is way too slow for any ship that didn't got a skill to fire early

[sand apex]

Could make one of these

[fickle echo]

Don't make the 2nd one, it's not worth using on LE because we don't have Musashi here

[fickle echo]

Make the first one

Didn't you grind Bismarck's event? You should have enough prints do craft this gun if you grinded D3 enough

[sand apex]

I grinded it a lot. Which gun?

[fickle echo]

The HE one from KMS

It's worth using together with the Mk4 since the timing is close so you can try to make the blackhole work with NJ's barrage

[sand apex]

Whats the name of the gun

[sand apex]

Hmmm maybe i was too new at that point

I started during bis2 event

So i didnt get all the recipes from hard stages

[fickle echo]

Then you can just craft a Mk4 and use the gun that you already have on Bismarck

[sand apex]

Have quite a lot of protocores but i think the triple gun is priority

Think youre not supposed to get pr2 stuff with protocore

Tenrai already done

[fickle echo]

You should have kept it to buy the UR gear first, you'll be able to craft all the gold gear from pr2 easily after you grind OpSi for some months

Meanwhile the UR gear is a pain to get even though the BB gun is already on gearlab

[sand apex]

Right i didnt buy any pr2 golds

And yeah. The rainbow triple gun is still better to get with protocore since no pr3 gearlab?

[fickle echo]

Wait, then what did you buy 20 of? Pr5 gear?

[sand apex]

3 for champ gun

[fickle echo]

It's a vanguard gun so as good as it is isn't not that game changing compared to a BB gun

[sand apex]

Hmm maybe i should get the rainbow pr2 gun first then

Looks like you need/want more than one anyway

[fickle echo]

If you use BBs for bosses you should try to get 3 of those

[sand apex]

I usually use triple guns on bbs for helena synch with bosses

[fickle echo]

For PvP you'll only need 2 since you'll be using Hiryuu

[sand apex]

Still one from lqb one from protocore seems good

2 from lab would take forever

[fickle echo]

You can use Mk4 to replace it since it can be crafted into a 457 later so even if you +13 it you'll get all the resources back later

Use Mk4 on Bismarck and 457 on NJ

[sand apex]

Actually not too far off getting another from gear lab

Top item will be slowest

[fickle echo]

You can craft 8 of the gold ones into a rainbow one in case you don't know yet

[sand apex]

Yeqh itll still be awhile ty though 😂

Should be much better with 2 faster guns

[fickle echo]

You can farm those once you get high level cats and go to level 5-6 zones that can spam 2 searching spots

[sand apex]

My cats are like 20-21 yeah i just use the highest ones

[fickle echo]

You only need to get one cat close to 30 and then use it on the fleet that's farming the zone

You should try getting some of theses too from pr research, without them you'll always fire later than some opponents

And replace Helena once you get a better vanguard, relying on 60% chance and her surving long enough isn't a good idea

[sand apex]

It only takes one cats level into acct not both?

[sand apex]

Ah i have one of those

Ill replace the fcr

[fickle echo]

Only the cat that searches

[sand apex]

Ohhhhhh

[glad mesa]

How is it decided who you are shown as potential opponents in exercises? I am getting demolished by people with vanguard and main fleets at 7k and Im at 12k for both. And thats the lowest fleet power people I can even find. When i went up against the people with 14-15k fleet power I lost in exactly 11 seconds

What can I even do

[sand apex]

So you want the command cat to be high level and the staff cat other doesnt matter?

[sand apex]

Random

Dont fight battles you cant win

Reset game if needed

[glad mesa]

So youre telling me theres no newer players at all and the average player is lv.120 and has 6 URs at lv125?

That out of being shown 40 opponents, that I was the absolute lowest commander level by 30 levels?

[sand apex]

What server are you on

[glad mesa]

Avrora

[sand apex]

All the new players are on little enty

No reason to go anywhere else

[fickle echo]

Avrora is the biggest server full of fossils

[glad mesa]

I mean i made my account 5 years ago so not much i can do about it now

Ok so basically I will never catch up with these people and ill just get dominated until the end of time. Or I can go to a new server and start completely over

[sand apex]

The older a server is the harder pvp is going to be

[glad mesa]

Those are terrible options jesus christ

It would take me 6 months to get back to where I am, bare minimum

[fickle echo]

You can hope the new URs are stronger than the last ones

[glad mesa]

They have all the equipment, i dont

Even if i had the URs at 125 i dont have the augments, command cats, gear, etc

[neon bronze]

basically wishing for a meta change lel

but yeah. either you start to cope for events with good pvp worthy ships, or start anew

[sand apex]

If you have been playing actively you should have similar stuff to other players. If you havent dont expect to do well in pvp

[glad mesa]

I am just returning after 4 years of break and i dont see how I could ever catch up to these guys even if I had a year

[sand apex]

You stopped playing for 4 years. Of course youre going to struggle

Start over or cope

[glad mesa]

How long would it take me if i started over?

Like 6 months, right?

At least

[sand apex]

Depends if you whale or not

[glad mesa]

Im not

[fickle echo]

Most of the gear from PvP isn't event locked so you can get it by farming Operation Siren and doing PR research

The most painful part is gonna be grinding gold plates to get everything to +13

[sand apex]

If you care about pvp then make a new account on little enty but youre still several months behind. If you dont then its not a problem

[glad mesa]

The only reason I play this game is cause I like ships and its one of the only gacha games where you can pvp

PvP is literally all that matters to me

[sand apex]

Then start over

[glad mesa]

And I dont have several months to spend

Are there any other gachas that have pvp?

[sand apex]

Youre not going to compete on avora for a long time

#off-topic

[flint python]

just play on lil E

[pseudo copper]

If just going for pvp then under 2 for you to have a good shot at eos

Issue is you missed newbie event which ended last month

You would just rush opsi and raise pvp ships ig, would end up with smth like
Hiryuu, FdG (will take more than 2 months or less ig depends on your progress), Nagato (copium but should be enough ig)
Ancho, Ykkz, Juneau

[sand apex]

Where do you get ykkz?

[pseudo copper]

medal shop

[sand apex]

Thks

Is mainz a better pvp unit than helena? Better than ayanami?

Im coining her rn

[fickle echo]

Ayanami is better, her only problem is missing torps but it only matters if you do exercises too late to reset the fight until it hits

[pseudo copper]

Mainz is shit

[sand apex]

Anyone else here better?

Maybe agir when dev20 ?

[glad mesa]

You can get to research ships in under 2 months?

@pseudo copper

[flint python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/866361514935451668.webp?size=48&name=YESpee&quality=lossless

[fickle echo]

Otto is good in PvP according to CN

At least should be better than Helena for sure

[flint python]

she's good at surviving but thats it

[fickle echo]

Dead ship<Alive ship

[sand apex]

Day 1 you can buy 3 lol

It all depends how actively you play….

[fickle echo]

🐳

[sand apex]

And what you spend

This is my dock after 1 month

[glad mesa]

How much did you spend?

[sand apex]

I dont count 😂 maybe 300

[flint python]

105 hiryuu

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/949473530045669426.webp?size=48&name=Susge&quality=lossless

[sand apex]

You cant build all ships at once

[glad mesa]

What did you spend money on?

[sand apex]

But yeah i just learned about her recently

Gems mostly

[glad mesa]

What do you buy with gems? Coins and oil and wisdom cubes?

[sand apex]

Oil, packs, rings

[sand apex]

Dot expect to win any fights with 0 120 units

Especially on avora

[glad mesa]

Thats where im at on avrora. How long would it take to get some SRs to 105-110 and be able to start working on research ships?

With no money? (Monthly income is about $250, i am impoverished as hell)

[sand apex]

If you dont have any 120 units at this point youre really better off starting over

Youre not going to compete on avora

[glad mesa]

I know. It would take me years

[sand apex]

These are my little enty’pvp opponents right now

The fleet you have is’t even competitive on little enty

[fickle echo]

Not really years, you can get FDG maxed in like 2-3 month and she's one of the best ships for PvP, there's also Hiryuu who's still good nowadays so you only need to hope you'll get some other strong backline from event and that might happen in September when we'll get another new UR

Competing against the strongest players is not realistic but getting to the high rankings should be possible in some months depending on your luck

[glad mesa]

Those dont look very different from avrora

[stable dawn]

the game is actually a lot easier than it was years ago

especially with auto search + continue button

you can probably reach a competitive state within 3 months
only problem is UR ships, so your fleet comp will be scuffed until reruns

but you came at a good time. Meta may shift with Kearsarge from PR6

and nobody has her yet

[glad mesa]

Ok so my issue isnt really avrora my issue is that apparently im just way newer and lower level than i thought i was

[stable dawn]

yeah the game has changed a lot

[fickle echo]

Shimakaze is gonna be the next UR rerun and aside from her all the other meta vanguard ships are permanent

[stable dawn]

we're at world 14 now

[glad mesa]

Yeah

Last i played world 8 was max

[stable dawn]

[glad mesa]

Or maybe even like world 6

I dont remember but it was not much

[stable dawn]

did Maya exist?

she's the world 8 SR drop

[glad mesa]

I dont think so

[sand apex]

Do we have an idea when?

[stable dawn]

so probably was W6 then

Yuudachi gaming

[fickle echo]

No idea, maybe they'll announce it during JP anniversary in September

[glad mesa]

Ok so i guess ill just keep grinding avrora, if people can get that far on enty then i cant be as far behind as I think

[stable dawn]

nowadays new players pass w6 in their first 2 weeks

[sand apex]

Really excited for her

[glad mesa]

Ok yeah basically what used to take 4 months now takes 2 weeks

[stable dawn]

p much lol

[glad mesa]

Ok so im probably not as far behind as I think

[stable dawn]

yeah just make sure to do opsi

[glad mesa]

But im also probably not as far into the game as i thought

[stable dawn]

about half of the good gear comes from there

[glad mesa]

I dont really understand opsi

[stable dawn]

the other half comes from research spam

[sand apex]

Read the wiki

[stable dawn]

it's basically an open world endgame

[sand apex]

Tldr buy everything in the shop, do everything

[stable dawn]

you select a zone and do it, then move to another zone and do it. There's no absolute direction like the campaign

ofc there are the chapters you need to get through before it gets like that

but once that's done it's just roam and farm

[sand apex]

But this is getting off topic for pvp

[stable dawn]

pvp is just endgame pve players with nothing else to do tbf

[sand apex]

Ask in #gameplay-help if you need non pvp related help

[stable dawn]

no just ask @pseudo copper

gph will try to tell you Roon Muse is the best tank in the game

[pseudo copper]

I wouldn't

[stable dawn]

which is false

[pseudo copper]

Nah, not even gph do that

[stable dawn]

oh they evolved?

[pseudo copper]

That's called reddit

[stable dawn]

[stable dawn]

what's the difference? They use the same tier list

[sand apex]

Even i skipped roon lol

[stable dawn]

[pseudo copper]

Bc gph at least recognise core isn't for shiny ships only

Though not much of an accomplishment

[candid sluice]

Reddit is a low bar to beat

[stable dawn]

but yeah if you want actual good advice it's best to ask actual veterans

do be aware we won't spoonfeed you

[pseudo copper]

Quyet?

[stable dawn]

isn't quyet still under cmdr level 140

[pseudo copper]

He's like 152

[stable dawn]

about time lol

[sand apex]

Which of these 3 vanguards would be best with bis2 nj hiriyuu?

[stable dawn]

none, use anchorage - harbin - juneau

[sand apex]

I wont have access to harbin for awhile. Still not done with agir dev 30

[pseudo copper]

Still shilling ALM pvp guide

[stable dawn]

then go with yuki

she's nowhere as strong as she used to be, but better than nothing

[sand apex]

What makes her better than ayanami/noshiro? Just curious

[stable dawn]

high eHP

[sand apex]

Is there an ehp calculator somewhere ?

Would be interested in that

[stable dawn]

aya dies instantly after torp launch
noshiro doesn't have high dps
yuki has 25% chance to reduce incoming damage to 1

[sand apex]

Is she better than otto too? Curious why shes low on most tier lists

[pseudo copper]

No eHP calc that can calc ykkz effectively imo

[pseudo copper]

She does nothing other than tank, her only use is pvp nowadays as cope

[stable dawn]

otto is a gun DD

yuki at least has high base torp stat

[sand apex]

And an evade tank

[fickle echo]

Musashi easily kills anything that relies on evasion so nowadays Yukikaze isn't as good as used to be

[sand apex]

Reducing damage to 1 isnt the same as dodge though

[fickle echo]

But still good for LE

[pseudo copper]

EVA as a stat less worthwhile in pvp than other content, so Otto just fills Ykkz niche but not as well imo and less damage prob

[pseudo copper]

Meaningless when a ship can do your hp in a single hit

[sand apex]

That was an argument in favor of ykkz

Unless reducing to 1 doesnt work when you get one shot or smthg

[pseudo copper]

It's 25% of hits that get reduced to 1

So if you get hit 4 times

Only 1 of those will be reduced

[fickle echo]

Yukikaze is better than Otto because she can also reduce the damage the backline takes

[sand apex]

Good to know ill try to get. Already bought all my medal ships this month :/

[stable dawn]

oh yeah I forgot about her heal skill lol

[pseudo copper]

If each hit is same hp as the ship, use potential is reduced

[pseudo copper]

heal and dr

Not just heal

[fickle echo]

Also IJN has way better torp stat than KMS

[stable dawn]

when do we get a yuki augment that gives her double torp launch

[fickle echo]

Hiryuu+WNT+Yukikaze can annoy a lot of people on LE

[sand apex]

Wish i figured out she was good before i used my medal purchases. Damn lol

[flint python]

juneau augment

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/708829744719986719.webp?size=48&name=JuneauChrist&quality=lossless

[sand apex]

Whose wnt

[stable dawn]

washington naval treaty

it's a gear item

you get it from the collection thing

[sand apex]

Oh

[sand apex]

Oh. I need more houston

Or i could use bullins i guess if its really good

Think i have 8 purples

[stable dawn]

just use your merit

you get an absolute ton if you do all your exercises

[sand apex]

It reduces both sides damage so its best with ykkz?

Dunno f its worth using before i get her

[stable dawn]

it enables stall comps to exist

[sand apex]

Oh its that important hunh

[stable dawn]

yeah it's the whole reason MSN is viable

otherwise Shinano would just get deleted before she can launch

[sand apex]

Whats msn

[stable dawn]

it's the current top fleet comp in SaltyArrow's pvp doc which is pinned in this channel

[sand apex]

Ok sorry i have trouble remembering all the lingo

[junior trench]

I mean, you can see people who completed Part 1 of the XP grind for Kearsarge in like a little over a day. If you have the resources and are far enough in the story, you can get the XP grind for PRs done fairly quickly. Most people can finish their’s in like a week or two.

[stable dawn]

1.2M is less than half a day if you spam continue button and swap ships who need to rest

[neon bronze]

And oil

god, i'm in need of oil

[gusty cipher]

Any of the new PR ships gonna be meta in pvp?

Or atleast that it looks like it?

[trail temple]

We'll let you know once we've actually played with them for a bit

It's too early to make any definitive calls

[glad mesa]

Wdym "ships who need to rest?"

Also im not yet able to play chapter 9 and i hear thats where xp starts becoming generous

[junior trench]

Using ships for so long in succession causes their morale to lower (it’s what causes the sad face next to them). When they reach 0 morale, I believe they become weaker. Thus, some people have multiple fleets to do that farming so they can continue farming without having to wait on morale to go back up.

[pseudo copper]

No, they just gain half xp and lose affinity at 0

yellow is no affinity gain

[junior trench]

I knew it was a bad effect, I just couldn't remember exactly which, thanks for correcting me

[pseudo copper]

more than 120 is xp bonus of 20%

[pseudo copper]

Only one with potential imo is Kearsarge, testing has to be done so come back at least 1 month from now, though prob 2-3

[covert helm]

taken from the Azur Lane PvP EN Guide:
"[...]
With the advent of Bismarck Zwei, defense fleets have shifted significantly. In particular, Bismarck Zwei is much stronger on defense than on attack due to her black hole placement being closer to the attacker's vanguard. Because of this, triple BB fleets can now run into trouble as they are countered... by other triple BB fleets, which induces a sort of ""rock paper scissors"" situation.
[...]"

Concerning the bold part; it is not entirely clear to me what the issue with BisZwei is.
Is it a) that it holds the attacker vanguard in place for a short time allowing for synced salvos (but this would also hold true for offense and it explicitly states she is better in defense).
Or is it b) that it draws the attacking vanguard in into secondary range (for a short time) - sth that usually doesn't happen due to assymetric placement of the fleets (but the time is quite short, so what difference does it really make?)

[pseudo copper]

Blackhole sometimes stops attacking vanguard from moving

[zenith lantern]

BisII blackhole gets dropped on the position of the attacker vanguard. If it hits it holds them in place making them an easy target for follow up shots

[pseudo copper]

But I personally see it as a non issue as Bisco 2 herself too bad of a ship to bring value, even if her blackhole can potentially stop enemy vanguard for some hits

[zenith lantern]

It can chain in to the whole vanguard getting wiped but it's very inconsistent and quite rare for it to happen in my experience.

It almost never happens

[pseudo copper]

I only had 1 of my vanguard die to blackhole throughout this whole time

[zenith lantern]

I find Bis2's main contribution to be her dragon baiting shots near the end of the fight when both sides are low on numbers.

[covert helm]

Thank you - both of you for the insight

[pseudo copper]

Personally never had any issues with that myself least with MSN

What I did notice is that bombs prioritise the dragon over enemy vanguard though

Or seemed to be the case

[zenith lantern]

More a Little E thing

Anything with Bis2 gets steamrolled on the older servers

[pseudo copper]

Even on Lil E

[gusty cipher]

Might have them fully dev 30 by then

[pseudo copper]

Natural, testing can only occur once dev30

[gusty cipher]

Was more interested in predictions on what to focus. I'm going for Hinden first but then didn't know what to take

[pseudo copper]

Shimanto has no preload, good aa though but I don't see use over Harbin

Gunboats useless

French BB lackluster compared to rainbows imo

[valid oxide]

Shimanto for stall PVP fleets when CV meta

[lusty hill]

Shinano killer

Aquila killer

[zenith lantern]

I think Felix has a shot in PvP, her skills set her up to be an Anchorage counter and she has survivability too. It just depends if she can kill Anchorage fast enough.

[valid oxide]

Anchorage counter

[neon bronze]

[junior trench]

The thing is, if Anchorage is countered, then who'd replace her that could deal with Felix?

Theoretically

[merry vale]

I think Anchorage is too broadly useful to just be removed because 1 ship does well vs her

Soft counter not hard counter.

[junior trench]

What would be the workaround for it though?

Like, which ship would be run with Anchorage to deal with it?

[merry vale]

My money is on you won't need to change a thing.

Or just replace the flex spot that Harbin and Juneau cycle in and out of for Felix?

[valid oxide]

Felix also has slow torps which might make German mags nice on her

[whole salmon]

Even if Anchorage is countered

Chances of you not running Anchorage is still low

Cus your frontline would just crumble into dust

[merry vale]

☝️

[whole salmon]

Against any other fleet

[neon bronze]

for all the memes, Ancho won't go away

unless if hard power creep on her end

[merry vale]

At worst the flex spot has another ship usable.

[whole salmon]

Counters do exist but sometimes it isn’t worth it

For example

[merry vale]

Anchorage shima ain't going anywhere.

[whole salmon]

CN came up with a triple CV fast load comp that has reliable 86% wr against triple BB comp

Is it a counter? Yes, direct counter

Is it worth it? Ofc not. It sucks against all other fleets

Pvp still prefer overall consistency in a generalized setting

[valid oxide]

CN triple CV when shimanto

[whole salmon]

There was a time when Juneau was hard countered

This was before WNT, Manjuu and her retro

It was during the time when triple mkix black aux IJN frontline was still meta

Direct counter to Juneau by killing her immediately

After a while, Juneau came back

And now her counter is dead

[valid oxide]

I am still hoping for shimanto to have some PvP utility

Even if it's restricted to fucking triple CV CN copium

[neon bronze]

Competing against Harbin for offtank slot :pausechamp:

[whole salmon]

Kearsarge’s position in pvp is still dependent on 2 factors tbh

Which is the release of new USS CV copium

As well as new USS Twin HE guns

[fickle echo]

*reliable 86% wr against Triple BB with Juneau+Manjuu NJ+Vanguard

[whole salmon]

And if NJ’s skill get changed or not cus currently she doesn’t buff Kear

[valid oxide]

If it gets changed to buff kear then I can see kear kicking fdg out

[whole salmon]

Currently Kear doesn’t necessarily require her to be with another USS

[valid oxide]

Also triple BB with plane crash too

[whole salmon]

When with USS, Kearsarge buff the CVs

So if you are using NJ Kearsarge for example

And your last slot is a Aquila or Shinano

You miss out on Musashi, which seems like a big no no

And since NJ and Kearsarge doesn’t have any direct synergy

It might be better to just replace NJ with Kearsarge

[fickle echo]

[valid oxide]

Gear that changes faction when

[whole salmon]

If you just ignore synergy and run them together anyways

In a triple BB comp

It could work but there’s still stuff like FDG

Which might be tankier and deal more damage than Kear as her anti Heavy armor isn’t her strong suit

[valid oxide]

Kear crash damage and fire

[whole salmon]

In the current MSN set up for example

Maybe you could switch out NJ for Kearsarge

As a substitute

[fickle echo]

Just wait for the gridman collab to change the meta

[whole salmon]

Kear seems strong in pve

Especially Anti Light and Anti Medium

Kear and Yorktown 2 comp seems quite good

But like Bismarck Zwei, that doesn’t always translate well to pvp

[valid oxide]

We can only hope for annoying high damage fire setting

[hollow walrus]

Kear + York2 and Enty and hope NorthII slow is enough

[whole salmon]

As for the others then I don’t see any hope

But that’s to be expected

A lot of PR ships in previous seasons aren’t used in pvp

So this is a similar case

[hollow walrus]

the last 2 used much in pvp were like just Anchorage and Harbin right?

[whole salmon]

At this rate

[hollow walrus]

And before that ig Seattle in PR2 back then

[whole salmon]

Harbin Fate 5 feels more exciting

[valid oxide]

Some interesting kits but that's either contending for off-tank with harb/Juneau or are called kearsarge, flandre and hinden look though

[whole salmon]

• PR1 then Monarch was used with Warspite comps. Saint Louis and Neptune were used as tanks for a time. Ibuki was used in torp comps
• PR2: Azuma replaced the PR1 cruisers. FDG kicked Monarch from BB comps. Seattle was used as off tank for a time
• PR3: Nothing
• PR4: Anchorage as main stay, replacing CBs as tanks. Situational copium case with Agir
• PR5: Harbin is quite meta. Some tests were done with Plymouth but no concrete results

So historically, PRs aren’t always pvp meta. This might be the case this season as well

[hollow walrus]

Only thing interesting for gear is the UR CA gun to replace drek gun for Anchorage right

[junior trench]

They should give Victorious an augment which lets her be affected by USS faction buffs.

[whole salmon]

Usually we only use 1-2 ships. PR gear is the more important factor usually

All UR gear is used in pvp

[valid oxide]

Would shimanto guns ghost gun be of any use for the likes for Juneau despite sacrificing her surface DPS?

[whole salmon]

Could be the case but I feel like the upgrade is minimal

[hollow walrus]

~~even Z flag? ~~ /j

[whole salmon]

As in it isn’t a big priority

[valid oxide]

Not a big prio but pierce would be nice, also better med so more dead anchorages

[whole salmon]

Which one is this?

[valid oxide]

Hind gun

The UR

[whole salmon]

Sorry wrong ping

[whole salmon]

I meant this one

Shimanto ghost gun

[fickle echo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745143627608752179/1128985206586621962/image.png

[valid oxide]

The one that her gun gives to any vanguard ship using it

[fickle echo]

CN said it's useless

[valid oxide]

Oh well what a shame

What about shimanto ghost gun she gets from equipping it (from her skill)

[whole salmon]

Damage looks really low

[fickle echo]

Shimanto doesn't have preload torps so if she dies at the start you'll get nothing out of her unless you're fighting Aquila

[whole salmon]

Lower damage than Staag

Slow af reload

Lower coefficient

[valid oxide]

That's why I would reset

[whole salmon]

Also do ghost AA gun scale with stats?

Usually they do right?

I think they do at least

[valid oxide]

I only lose Juneau anyway since I dislike Aya and I use harb for main torper now

[fickle echo]

Then just use preloaded torpedo ships and kill everything with RNG

[whole salmon]

Just wait for Harbin Fate 5

[valid oxide]

I used to with Aya but Aya was too cope even for me

[whole salmon]

Shima is next on the list for re run

So there’s that too

[valid oxide]

Maybe I'll subscribe to the anti anchorage Felix copium

Maybe I won't because of shima rerun at some point

[fickle echo]

No way the rerun is gonna be anytime soon when they didn't even do the cube shop thing yet

[valid oxide]

Cube shop?

[hollow walrus]

commission cube shop thing

[valid oxide]

What

[fickle echo]

[valid oxide]

Oh that

The afk cube farm

[neon bronze]

I forgot that even existed