pvp

[little bobcat]

she's good when you don't put her as main tank

[vagrant pike]

Oooh ooooh can I be #3? xD

[little bobcat]

is that the iris i think it is

[vagrant pike]

The best one out there

[little bobcat]

you're the trans person that hangs out in gph and blocks most of the people there?

[vagrant pike]

Nope, that is a different one

[little bobcat]

thought so

[candid sluice]

the good iris

[neon bronze]

the other iris hasn't touched pvp in a while

[spiral owl]

swapped agir for aya on lil e, she was so inconsistent she's the reason I overcapped this season, swapped back to agir and never had a problem

though I'll probably swap agir out when my harbin is 125

[neon bronze]

definitely going to try aegir again once i get new jersey

[little bobcat]

veera vouch 🙏

[little bobcat]

just try her now

[neon bronze]

no

[little bobcat]

why

[neon bronze]

ol' reliable

[little bobcat]

who

[neon bronze]

meeb

[little bobcat]

mid

[neon bronze]

didn't invest enough in it

[vagrant pike]

So what auxes would Ägir want as Aya replacement?

[neon bronze]

the sheet pinned here has it

[torpid shuttle]

im literally off by the two exercises that i lost from top 10 :pepecry: oh the misery

[vagrant pike]

Yeah I was wondering, have seen some people recommend double boiler instead of one washing machine and boiler and such

[zenith lantern]

Kicks and Boiler

You need the speed with Agir especially when you don’t have Shima too

[vagrant pike]

Oh nice, that solves my current beaver dilemma if I move kicks from Ancho to Ägir

[zenith lantern]

You could keep the kicks on Ancho and go double boiler on Agir even

I have 2x kicks and I use both plus the boiler when I’m using Agir

[vagrant pike]

Damn she really needs all the speed boosts she can get huh

Well thank you for the advice

[zenith lantern]

Might not be essential but it definitely helps. Ideally you don’t want too many BB shells hitting her.

[vagrant pike]

I see

[stable dawn]

[lusty hill]

Is agir being better than ayanami real?

Wouldn't shimakaze kill her in 0s or something

Also do agir even do damage?

[little bobcat]

I prefer double boiler

and kicks on anchorage

[little bobcat]

yes

[little bobcat]

agir is often my 2nd vanguard to die, the last against cvs

[lusty hill]

Does she even do damage?

Isn't CA/CB has like narrow angle or something

[fickle echo]

Shimakaze would kill Ayanami in -1s

Agir's guns can actually do some damage and even target the enemy backline with the splash when their vanguard is still alive

[pseudo copper]

Just use Seattle

[lusty hill]

Literally just used agir

She sucks

I'll try her again some other time when less shimakaze

[little bobcat]

her barrage does a lot and she has pretty good shells

[candid sluice]

🤯

[ocean prairie]

Agir is dogshit for pvp as long as shima and duca exist

Is zwei good for PvP?

[little bobcat]

zwei is shit

[torpid shuttle]

worse than fdg

[little bobcat]

this convo has literally been saying agir is good lmao

[little bobcat]

worse than vanny and tamaki also

[ocean prairie]

And you’re wrong

[torpid shuttle]

o rly

[ocean prairie]

[candid sluice]

any convo with letan in it is not a convo worth having

[torpid shuttle]

did letan rename?

[little bobcat]

aldarn, ari and veera literally vouch for her lmao

[torpid shuttle]

who's the letan

[pseudo copper]

Letan renames monthly

[little bobcat]

👋

[torpid shuttle]

ah i understand now

[pseudo copper]

Veera does bc Lil E don't have much options

[ocean prairie]

And they’re wrong

[little bobcat]

I haven't renamed in a while

[pseudo copper]

4th rename this year no?

[little bobcat]

ye but this is the final one for a while

[ocean prairie]

What’s the current “best” backline

[pseudo copper]

Check pin

[ocean prairie]

I’m still running midashi shina and hiryuu

[little bobcat]

musashi fdg nj

[candid sluice]

giga pope more like giga chad

[little bobcat]

most ur bb variations work

along with seydlitz and tamaki variations

agir is ran in seydlitz variations btw

[pseudo copper]

I still prefer MSN myself

[pastel jolt]

better than all options

[pastel jolt]

not anymore with fdg, musashi nj seydlitz just a worse version of musashi nj fdg

only situation ur using seydlitz is missing nj in both cases, if ur missing musashi just use mafia/weeb lol

[little bobcat]

ah

[pastel jolt]

idk yakuza is a tier 2 fleet tho

not worth using according to current lexington #1

[little bobcat]

yeah yakuza is pretty bad

[pastel jolt]

tier 2 fleet

too bad it can still wall some baggers and force resets

[little bobcat]

you're testing your own version though aren't you

[pastel jolt]

according to tierlist its a bad version

[ocean prairie]

Well I don’t nor will I ever have FDG so rip bozo

Vannchan it is

[pseudo copper]

Too squish

Just use MSN

[ocean prairie]

What’s msn

[pseudo copper]

Musashi Shinano NJ

Hiryuu also works

Depends on preference

[whole salmon]

When in doubt, use MSN

You can experiment with other comps

[pseudo copper]

I personally prefer MSN over triple BB, but use Yakuza since Amagi too ez

[whole salmon]

But MSN is still effective to a certain degree against everything

[ocean prairie]

I experimented with zwei

Seems like her succ is obsolete

[pseudo copper]

It works on def, but she herself is too squish

[little bobcat]

skill issue

[little bobcat]

tier list knows all

clearly defying tier list makes your fleet unviable

[ocean prairie]

No I just refuse to develop her

[little bobcat]

are you anti kms or smth

there was a guy like that earlier who refused to use any kms because his grandfather fought in ww2

[ocean prairie]

I don’t like KMS but no she’s just a terrible character in general

[little bobcat]

she's the best mobbing bb though

[ocean prairie]

Could care less

Already beat w14 with 3 stars

[little bobcat]

[ocean prairie]

And anything better than what I have now is just overkill

Granted what I have now is also overkill

I just have no reason to get FDG

until I max out every other PR ship at least

[scenic tendon]

fr

[little bobcat]

you'll have to get her for tech anyways

[scenic tendon]

you'd be better to get her anyway

buying bps takes time

[little bobcat]

^^^^

this is truly the most sane ALO player

[pseudo copper]

Avoiding KMS

[ocean prairie]

Tech? What’s that?

[scenic tendon]

Getting 3 stars in 14-4 is kinda meh. There are lots of things you can do, like 5 stars the entire OpSi

[ocean prairie]

Opsi? What’s that?

[scenic tendon]

[little bobcat]

oh he's trolling

[ocean prairie]

[scenic tendon]

cant wait to see that role

[ocean prairie]

No it’s called sarcasm

[pseudo copper]

What role?

PvP ban doesn't exist

[scenic tendon]

fr

[pseudo copper]

Mods only check here maybe once a week

Troublemaker brah alr gone

[stable dawn]

[scenic tendon]

Nice trolling skill mate

Anyway

[pastel jolt]

bad fleet though. according to tierlist

[zenith lantern]

Guess I need to load up my Agir Seydlitz fleet again and record some videos

[pastel jolt]

damn, this guy so pro

(not me)

[scenic tendon]

Is that Sandy?

that 5th spot looks kinda familiar to me

[little bobcat]

lmao

[scenic tendon]

nvm its not

was getting deja vu

[pseudo copper]

Guy is 🚮

This guy also 🚮

[stable dawn]

wow is that the #1 sandy player???

[pseudo copper]

#1 Lil E player

After your mom quit ofc

[stable dawn]

no p sure that was the #3 lil e player

[pseudo copper]

Nah, it was #1, 2 and 3

Obv Deathkt is Lil, and since is cute and funny bc is lil, then is ranks 1-3

[fickle echo]

Behold the secret Lexi tech:
||https://youtu.be/e48g7Dx3W8o||

[trail temple]

It isn't secret anymore

[fickle echo]

Not on Bismarck until now

[whole salmon]

@fickle echo I just +13 my Hood gun

I’m trusting your tech

Hood gun on Bismarck Zwei comp

[fickle echo]

[neon bronze]

Hopefully that loadout works

[zenith lantern]

I tried Hood Gun Bisko it was garbage

Had to reset even against some fleets that I would normally not even look at the screen for

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/Fbj3dLFvfYM

Luna actually works in PvP

[zenith lantern]

Going off the first 4 fights it was more your opening torps than anything else

[neon bronze]

Meeb not the best anymore...

https://tenor.com/view/wheniwasolder-gif-20838458

[stable dawn]

meeb was already T1 for some time

[teal tartan]

In Fleet Technology what do the Tiers mean? Like how strong a ship is or what?

Maybe just a coincidence but I noticed the higher tiers have better stats than the others

[stable dawn]

fleet tech does not apply in pvp

[teal tartan]

I meant..

In fleet technology

Ships are ranked in T10.. T9 etc

What's that based on

[hollow walrus]

better ask #gameplay-help than here.

[teal tartan]

But I don't see that channel ;-;

Like it's nowhere to be found

[stable dawn]

well you aren't help banned

[uncut agate]

Those tiers are a WoW thing iirc

[hollow walrus]

did you add that in Channels and Roles thing?

[teal tartan]

I don't know, but it's gone

When I click it's back though

[hollow walrus]

you probably haven't added it here

[teal tartan]

Oh yeah.. but it's a bit confusing

Thanks anyways

[coral wren]

Which one is the best option for exercise?

[stable dawn]

they're both suboptimal

Generally you always want 100/150 aviation fuel for faster planes + plane HP

pancake is the best fighter

and the last aux slot can be angel's feather, WNT, or fairy magic

[rustic bridge]

[pseudo copper]

I think the real question is, do you work?

[scenic tendon]

why no gun

[fickle echo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745143627608752179/1067582951149285456/Screenshot_20230117-1329022.png

It all started with this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974751857585045616/1028208388934479882/Screenshot_20221008_092036_com.YoStarEN.AzurLane.jpg

It worked somehow

[lusty hill]

wouldn't no gun + autoloader is best if you're aiming for fast meme

double autoloader

[scenic tendon]

bro

[neon bronze]

i always thought that this template was some placeholder for some gun, not no gun tech

[spare venture]

I wonder about the opponents

[fickle echo]

Ask @oblique silo his fleet back then was the one defeated by no gun UVH

I think it was mafia

[bright arrow]

What’s a good mid game PVP fleet?

[stable dawn]

just use pvp for exp

[little bobcat]

pvp is an endgame thing and it's still optional

if you don't have near perfect gear it's pretty painful

meeb (a former top fleet) pretty much required 3 +13 wyverns

[stable dawn]

meeb is dead

literally hard countered by triple BB because Musashi gets deleted after first salvo

[little bobcat]

modern triple bb doesn't require as much investment but it's still pretty bad for midgame

[bright arrow]

So triple BB is the meta for the main fleet?

[little bobcat]

pmuch

variations of ur bbs

[stable dawn]

no you need a specific battleship comp

there's like 4 good ones

[little bobcat]

and tamaki / seydlitz

[stable dawn]

tbh

[bright arrow]

Well the only good PVP BB I have is Bismarck Zwei.

[little bobcat]

zwei is pbad

[stable dawn]

Gross HYMEN might be the best bet you have

[little bobcat]

mostly only works on defense

[bright arrow]

Okay…so I gotta wait for NJ rerun.

[stable dawn]

yeah probs

[little bobcat]

do you have tamaki @bright arrow

[bright arrow]

Yeah. What does she do?

[little bobcat]

NJ tamaki fdg might work

[bright arrow]

What’s Tamaki good at?

[little bobcat]

good barrage, pretty good survivability and some aux gun stuff

[stable dawn]

[little bobcat]

ari tested her on lexi and she ended up being pretty good

but tbf lexi is a dead server

[stable dawn]

gunless uvh is good on lexi

[bright arrow]

Why is Lexi dead?

[little bobcat]

all servers are dead

[stable dawn]

pvp is a meme

[little bobcat]

pvp doesn't actually exist

[stable dawn]

it's just yukana's dream

[little bobcat]

it's just 4 people in a room for every server messaging each other for collusion

[stable dawn]

not true

nobody colludes on washington

[bright arrow]

So nobody does PVP?

[whole salmon]

CN recommends Tamaki on their wiki as alternative in 3 BB comp but not FDG for some weird reason

So if you don’t trust Lexi, CN tech could be your cup of tea

But either way, I’m running MSN

[bright arrow]

Hmm, okay. Why are BBs meta BTW?

[stable dawn]

MSN enjoyers

[little bobcat]

CN has a reason for doing that

let me find why

[stable dawn]

carrier stealth detection actually buffs BBs more than it nerfs them lmaooooo

[whole salmon]

Behold CN tech

[stable dawn]

turns out if you can't target the enemy CVs, your BBs will just target the remaining enemy BBs and annihilate them

[bright arrow]

Gotcha.

[bright arrow]

What if you don’t use any BBs then?

[little bobcat]

then your vanguard gets wiped

[stable dawn]

[little bobcat]

and the enemies vanguard will reveal your CVS instead

which is usually how double and single cv fights go too

[bright arrow]

Hmm, so it’s a slug fest between BBs?

[little bobcat]

its a lose lose situation having a cv

[stable dawn]

also CVs slowly reveal themselves when they launch enough airstrikes

[little bobcat]

^^

some cvs id rather just reveal though

shinano likes wiping half my bbs every so often

[stable dawn]

most of the time yeah

[little bobcat]

aquila is safer to wait for

[stable dawn]

though there are some double BB + 1 CV comps that refuse to die off. MSN being one of them

[whole salmon]

Then again, I have seen quite a few triple BB users getting walled by Yakuza

Even on Lexington

[little bobcat]

yakuza has been walling me a bit

[whole salmon]

So there’s also that

[little bobcat]

it's pretty tedious since it's so common too

[stable dawn]

how are you getting walled by yakuza

[whole salmon]

[bright arrow]

What’s MSN stand for?

[stable dawn]

[little bobcat]

bad luck

[whole salmon]

Musashi Shinano New Jersey

[bright arrow]

What does Shinano even do? I missed her event.

[whole salmon]

MSN might not be the best fleet currently but it is a fleet that works pretty decently against any other comps

So it is quite safe to switch to it if you are getting walled

Well you should have alternative fleets ready anyways

Since some fleets have rock paper scissors relationships with each other

[little bobcat]

high damage cv with a surprising amount of bulk and support

in pve she pairs well with the pr4 dr

sadly said pr4 dr sucks ass in pvp

[stable dawn]

doesn't that make it the best fleet? It can't be walled

[whole salmon]

I mean I wasn’t the one to make the tier list

People still rate Triple BB above MSN

So if that’s what people are going for then sure

Majority over the individual

[stable dawn]

check it again, then.

[bright arrow]

So pretty good then!

[whole salmon]

If it was best then more people should use it

But triple BB everywhere

[stable dawn]

it's meta on CN

[whole salmon]

If both tier 0 while there are more triple BB fleets then that’s the preferred comp

[bright arrow]

So triple BB is cancer but theorems no other meta comp.

[trail temple]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink it

[whole salmon]

This reminds me of the time after Musashi came out

And me trying to convince people to use Musashi

Only to see people still running Mafia

[fickle echo]

Sadly Bisko 2 doesn't do much herself, her buff actually makes Seydlitz outdamage Musashi

[neon bronze]

my meeb's musashi not sinking (quite consistently) after 3 bb's first salvos on amagae

it's still strong for what it is

though the shift in meta makes me curious on trying other backline compositions once I finally get NJ

[stable dawn]

tbf there are very few good triple BB fleets on Amagi

not sure why tbh

I blame @pseudo copper

[pseudo copper]

Wdym few

There are none

And Beth still gets walled by the subpar ones

[steel coral]

I beg to differ

[stable dawn]

that shima looks sus

[lusty hill]

isn't that the bluray something skin

[candid sluice]

i keep getting walled by nard, must be bad luck and not because his fleet is good or my fleet is bad or anything of the sort

[brazen socket]

thats one weird looking shimakaze

[pseudo copper]

Better Shimakaze

[stable dawn]

[brazen socket]

shimakaze has seen better days, retired from torpedos and turned to guns 😔

[rustic bridge]

Need i Here skills onpvp

[pseudo copper]

[lusty hill]

[rustic bridge]

Realy i hate this

My Back Line use never a guns

All Games lose No Back Line fire

[lime folio]

Where would Bismarck Zwei go now for defense only? 🤔

im not a stats/numbers guy so idk much about her, all i know is I think she's favored defense side due to her black hole

[floral wave]

nowhere in this team

[lime folio]

What comp? Bismarck ft MSN or

[floral wave]

eh, nowhere really, maybe paired with seyd but probably still worse than this

[lime folio]

Hmm kk, I thought she was good to stall on defense for top 10

[floral wave]

shes not gonna stall because she dies too fast

[lime folio]

ill just put MSN in defense again

with juneau

[floral wave]

why bother, just use the same you use on attack

[lime folio]

minmaxing the attacker's time 😂

[floral wave]

thats gonna work out like one in thousand battles when it counts

and its a one battle in thousand when it counts

i mean you do you, but sounds like too much effort for no gain

[lime folio]

eh no i agree i just like ocding stuff like this

[little bobcat]

nj

[trail temple]

You can't really make a dedicated defence team that's optimal and also have an optimal offence team

[candid sluice]

my optimal defense is moving 3mins before reset

[scenic tendon]

couldnt know that if you hadnt mentioned it

[pseudo copper]

My optimal defence fleet is other side's incompetence

[scenic tendon]

got like 5 bonus points today

seems like people are rushing hard

[little bobcat]

wdym

like 5 bonuses through that set?

[scenic tendon]

no

[little bobcat]

also yea this is aotn day for most ppl lol

[scenic tendon]

5 rounds

got 5 bonus points

[little bobcat]

what

oh

5 +1s

[scenic tendon]

I should was able to reach 2570+

[little bobcat]

that's pretty low

[scenic tendon]

just because I forgot to change my gun

it's sandy

[little bobcat]

oh

that explains a lot

i should aim for 2600 next season

I just need to remember to bag properly early on

[scenic tendon]

how does that work?

[empty mesa]

2570 is like top10 Sandy.

So pretty good.

[little bobcat]

bonuses early on are a lot bigger

and can make bagging later easier

[scenic tendon]

can you tell me in detail

like how many points/rank's gap when you decide to fight

[little bobcat]

uhh

there's a lot of movers early on so it's pretty easy to tell

[scenic tendon]

so we wait?

[little bobcat]

rushing early is preferable early sets

well overall thh

but especially early

[scenic tendon]

so what should you do in the early game

saw a dude was like 20 points ahead of me at the start

Imagine I had that 20 points 💀

[little bobcat]

are you 0ing out early

you should stay as close to 5/10 as possible early on lol

I usually do 2/10

[uncut agate]

login 3-5 min after the new season starts -> fight the leftmost person -> logout -> wait -> login again to see if anybody moved
rinse and repeat
going down to 0/10 on first set is fine

[pseudo copper]

I 0 out early

Doesn't matter early season

[scenic tendon]

[pseudo copper]

You can make up overcaps or not bag at all and still eos

[scenic tendon]

hope I can be in top 20 Sandy

my first ever try

[floral wave]

he doesnt know

[pseudo copper]

This season I didn't even bag properly till like midway 2nd week

And am 1st pace wise in Amagi

[scenic tendon]

dang bro

I should sleep

[pseudo copper]

Even 0'd out maint on first Thursday

[scenic tendon]

no one's moving

[scenic tendon]

your PB score?

just wonder

[pseudo copper]

Eos?

Like 2593 or smth

[scenic tendon]

best score

[little bobcat]

what

I'm not gonna overcap

[scenic tendon]

eos means end of season?

lol

[little bobcat]

I learned this season how to set alarms lol

[pseudo copper]

Yes

[floral wave]

thats not the point

not overcapping isnt everything you need for 2600

[scenic tendon]

luck?

[floral wave]

that too

and people moving for you most probably

[scenic tendon]

yea

I should make a sheet, tracker

[floral wave]

theres a reason 2600 doesnt appear often

[scenic tendon]

or something like that

[pseudo copper]

You need to be in a server that isn't dead

[scenic tendon]

bro

[little bobcat]

I know

[scenic tendon]

what even is overcapping

[pseudo copper]

💦

[floral wave]

missing an exercise

[scenic tendon]

ah

[pseudo copper]

Missing exercises due to not going down to 5/10 before reset

[floral wave]

due to attacking too late/forgetting to attack

[scenic tendon]

scared of sleeping

[floral wave]

nah, dont be like me and beth

[pseudo copper]

Do be like Beth and Stryk, I do need more memes

[scenic tendon]

its okay, I used to wake up like 3 times during nightime

[floral wave]

dont think ive been a good meme recently

need to step up my game

[scenic tendon]

my health < bonus points fr

[pseudo copper]

You are in Sandy

P sure you only need to just not overcap

[scenic tendon]

💀

[little bobcat]

I might not 2600 but I wanna t10

which won't be hard on dead server

[scenic tendon]

imagine being a 2600

...

[pseudo copper]

You have no Shima

No Shima = no admiral of the anvy

no admiral of the anvy = no eos

[scenic tendon]

bro I have aotn already

[pseudo copper]

I am talking to Letan

[scenic tendon]

oh

[little bobcat]

Teue

[floral wave]

at least can use mutsuki now

[scenic tendon]

new augment?

[floral wave]

ye but thats a meme

[scenic tendon]

really funny

[floral wave]

she wont be good enough even with the aug

now we pausechamp for when ari posts the 3 lolis vs kms vid featuring mutsuki

[little bobcat]

just use agir noshi or duca

[scenic tendon]

NJ's rerun = more triple BBs

[floral wave]

for me nj rerun will mean moving away from triple bb

[scenic tendon]

how is that possible

[floral wave]

i want to use my +13 wyverns

[scenic tendon]

lol

[floral wave]

plus ive been running triple bb for long enough now

[scenic tendon]

sometimes when I meet a triple BBs team

I just slap york 2 + enty then pay for rng

[little bobcat]

I'm just gonna run some triple bb variations with tamaki

[scenic tendon]

it works sometimes

[scenic tendon]

Tamaki is kinda same as Amagi to me

any other advantages?

[floral wave]

80 range secondaries

instant barrage

with better damage

doesnt need 4 ijn

[little bobcat]

they're not even remotely similar

[floral wave]

self shield, altho im not sure how useful that is

[little bobcat]

tamaki is actually good lol

[little bobcat]

she also has a global defensive buff that helps a decent amount

[floral wave]

im using tamaki on lil e

[scenic tendon]

kinda

the debuff is the most noticable ones

also I wonder how 80 range looks like

[floral wave]

its longer than current "dd" guns you usually use

and you use them because of range

[scenic tendon]

might try

[little bobcat]

not really

amagi sucks ass in both pve and pvp

tamaki is good in pvp

idk how she does in pve

probably good cuz she's t0

but ectl is clowns

[scenic tendon]

I used to use Amagi for pvping

man

I think her power is peak at chapter 11-12

but none of us

[little bobcat]

11 and 12 aren't hard and there's way better ships for both

[scenic tendon]

speaking only about herself

she just retired from my pvp fleet because of my fs5 fdg

[little bobcat]

wdym

[scenic tendon]

you should really take care of yourself better, Amagi-san

[scenic tendon]

I was talking about her power only, not for comparing ships

my second ever SR just after Taihou

anyway, what do you think about Yukikaze going with Bismarck 2

[little bobcat]

ari tested that

zwei seyd yuki

it still didn't work lol

[scenic tendon]

zwei in defense fleet... the proc rate of the skill is kinda...

[little bobcat]

zwei in defense is still inconsistent

her dmg is nonexistent and the blackhole is actually still not consistent even on defense

[scenic tendon]

I got sucked like 4 times in a row then NJ just...

[little bobcat]

just reset

[stable dawn]

[deft escarp]

[violet venture]

[glossy burrow]

How’s the gear set (should I use the treaty)?

[whole salmon]

You are a few years too late unfortunately

[pseudo copper]

Bout only thing right is the aa as a budget option

[glossy burrow]

Still have to change that stuff because main gear was used for 14-4

[whole salmon]

Why is Treaty there btw

[glossy burrow]

What should I use for aux

Idk zombie stuff

But what is the preferred aux

[pseudo copper]

What zombie stuff?

[whole salmon]

That’s not how Treaty works

[glossy burrow]

Nvm lemme read the guide

[pseudo copper]

Mix of gyro/boiler/top bulge dependent on what works best for you

[glossy burrow]

Can someone explain why 406-7 is red for NJ but green for VV

[pseudo copper]

For each additional Sardegna ship in the same fleet (up to 2 at most): decreases the loading time of this ship's first salvo by 40%.

[glossy burrow]

So it’s just preload…

[pseudo copper]

Semi preload yes

[glossy burrow]

I might have to use weaker guns in order to stack timing tho

[pseudo copper]

PvP is about speed

[glossy burrow]

Oh so I don’t need to worry about stacking salvos like in campaign?

[pseudo copper]

No you have to worry about overlapping timing for bb

[glossy burrow]

Oh so I do then

[pseudo copper]

cv wise you do try to sync them if using 2 CV, but 2 CV comps not favoured atm

[glossy burrow]

I’m planning on using NJ when I get her with Musashi and Fdg

But I don’t know what I should use to avoid too much overlap

[pseudo copper]

You wanna avoid it, just so you don't slow your other bb down

[pseudo copper]

Campaign is about staggering, making the timing different

[glossy burrow]

Okay, what would you recommend.

[pseudo copper]

Can just post dock

@trail temple

[glossy burrow]

What are you doing

[trail temple]

[glossy burrow]

Umm…

[pseudo copper]

[glossy burrow]

You want me to post my guns?

[pseudo copper]

Ships

Idk what you are running

Or what you have

[glossy burrow]

Assume I’m using the trip bb

What’s your recommendation for guns

To prevent bad timing

[pseudo copper]

Depends on ships you are using

[glossy burrow]

NJ (something), Musashi (purple 410kai), and Fdg (457mka)

What should I get for nj

[pseudo copper]

Belive you'd run geo gun NJ, twin 356 kai Sushi and FdG with twin 406 mk4 ig

Do keep in mind from what I saw prior your auxes are prob a mess alongside vg gear

[glossy burrow]

Yeah because I was doing campaign stuff

And now I have to go back to OpSi :/

[lusty hill]

does musashi with no gun trigger her enhanced barrage?

[fickle echo]

I don't think no gun is considered an IJN gun to enhance her barrage

No gun tech should only be used on KMS ships because that way the guns are gonna be the same as most of their ships: nonexistent

[hollow walrus]

No gun is classified as Universal faction so no it won't trigger

[lusty hill]

[little bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870866122428256256/1120184513096593438/Azur_Lane_2023-06-18-19-53-09.jpg

one last ship

[marsh sand]

I don't wanna eat a +9, if some of you are in the ss pls move

And thanks

[candid sluice]

My bad ill move

[pseudo copper]

Why do you care about a +9 at this point?

Better for you to move then for at least merit since you are def not gonna be eos

[marsh sand]

At the end I eat that +9

Rn I'm 5th in Sandy

[scenic tendon]

dang bro I forgot to change my guns

once again

ahhhh

so dumb

atleast I know I can make it into top 10 (sandy)

[neon bronze]

current score and attempts left?

[scenic tendon]

2556 0/10

I lost 2 fights because of I'm a dumb head

[neon bronze]

[scenic tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/akairo-azurlane-purifier-crying-gif-13823060

dont mind if I sob

fr

[neon bronze]

Next time

[scenic tendon]

how to get a better headstart?

[neon bronze]

after season ends:
use either a refresh, or log in
wait a while, then eat the guy with the highest points

repeat thrice, should be around 90~+ if done correctly

[scenic tendon]

then log out?

I mean, first fight then you just log out

and wait?

then repeat?

[neon bronze]

just waiting should be fine, as long as you see one of your guys on list on lb

at around 120-40

[scenic tendon]

dang I have to remember their names

[whole salmon]

The headstart thing works but

It isn’t worth it

If the headstart is actually beneficial then you wouldn’t see so many of the same people ontop of the leaderboard

[scenic tendon]

still, optimizing little things

[whole salmon]

Since EOS folks can’t do headstart

[scenic tendon]

can you tell me the reason why?

at Sandy just dont lose to anyone and not to overcapping might make me a top 10 EoS

[whole salmon]

Headstart is basically you not playing for a season

[neon bronze]

it all caps off at the end

[whole salmon]

Letting the left most move as far off as possible

[neon bronze]

some people start playing at 2nd week

[scenic tendon]

what?

[whole salmon]

Then fight that person between the end of that season and beginning of next season

[scenic tendon]

2nd week?

isnt that too late?

[whole salmon]

The points you gained from that fight in the last season would then be carried onto the next season

But it is only around +49

[scenic tendon]

that's weird

[whole salmon]

EOS folk can’t use the headstart because they actually have to play the game

[scenic tendon]

oh that makes sense

[neon bronze]

wait that works?

[scenic tendon]

so you skip a season after a tryhard ones?

[whole salmon]

That’s the theory of it

[scenic tendon]

never heard about it before

[whole salmon]

Usually folk who overcap first week would just give up to try and headstart next season

But it barely works

If it even works at all

[scenic tendon]

aight time to log in

[whole salmon]

The headstart thing would just balances out once the second week rolls around

And the day 1 advantage would just disappear as if it wasn’t even there

But you can flex your 150 points set 1 day 1 compared to the baggers who are at around 140-143

[late heath]

It doesn’t, you’ll get negative points which result in 0, basically making you wasted run

[scenic tendon]

I dont like that "0/10 attempts"

I think I will fight some until I have like 2/10

[late heath]

How do I know, it happened to me and some others

[scenic tendon]

then wait

[neon bronze]

:Sadge:

[scenic tendon]

k then

I guess we just do things normally lol

[late heath]

If you want EoS, just have to sandbag

[scenic tendon]

using weak ships?

to def?

[late heath]

Doesn’t matter

[scenic tendon]

yeah fr

[whole salmon]

+49 strat does work

Just that you have to time it right to replicate it

It doesn’t give any advantage in the long run so you shouldn’t waste a season to try it

But it still exists

[scenic tendon]

Also, do they still update EoS?

[whole salmon]

Who?

DuoEnvy?

[scenic tendon]

yeah, like, I cant see seasons recently

[whole salmon]

Idk

Lexington is still keeping track of it but idk about Envy

[stable dawn]

The Mutsuki Network takes care of it

[late heath]

I stopped keeping track of how many times I’m in EoS

[trail temple]

Yeah it works, I did it on Amagi as a joke

[trail temple]

Leaderboards, for top 10 is kept on another server

top 10 all servers that is

[pseudo copper]

Sheets weren't updated but ss are

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1095705983810031737/1120248482809266186/06.19.23.AL.EN.PvP.T10.EoS.png

[late heath]

Lostcore put me on bottom again

[pseudo copper]

You are on top

10 > 9

[late heath]

You right

[scenic tendon]

dang, I should've been on Sandy's EoS lmao

like, top 7

[pseudo copper]

Next season young padawan

[scenic tendon]

yes chef

[sour oasis]

Just retire. Get your sleep back.

[stable dawn]

The true endgame.

[autumn quest]

@floral wave hi just wanted to ask really quick,in the NJ, zwei,fdg ,ancho,aya/yukikaze and harbin fleet,is juneau fine instead of Harbin ?

No sashi and shima

[little bobcat]

i'd use ancho / duca or noshi / harbin

also tamaki or vanny > zwei

[floral wave]

harbin+juneau sounds best here tbh

or harbin+noshiro

[little bobcat]

agir is also an option but she's slightly worse than noshi afaik

[floral wave]

tbh i wouldnt use agir without seyd

[little bobcat]

she's fine without seyd

im using her rn personally

while im leveling tamaki and duca

[steel coral]

we talkin about pvp?

[little bobcat]

ye

[steel coral]

agir?

duca?

[little bobcat]

ye

[steel coral]

k bud

[autumn quest]

Rn i'm building harbin and it's gonna take a few days to get her to level 120 but i still want to advance and maybe try to get the highest rank this time

[little bobcat]

duca is prob the best shima equivalent in anchorage / x / harbin teams

good damage + defensive utility for anchorage

[autumn quest]

I can do nano instead of zwei btw if it's better

[little bobcat]

agir is pretty fine since she has shells that can target backline + a pretty good barrage and some alright torps

[little bobcat]

you should prob do nano or hiryuu instead

zwei is really really shit

[autumn quest]

👍

I'll do that

Fdg best cope version of sashi ?

[little bobcat]

no one can really cope sashi

but fdg and nj are fine

[little bobcat]

she's forced to run hood gun so that she can get her blackhole off early, but the blackhole is like a 20% chance to hit, 0% on slow vanguards

but hood gun kills her shelling damage which isn't even good even with 457

her barrage is relatively low damage and oftentimes she dies during the first salvo from bbs even with geryon baiting barrages and shells

[autumn quest]

Should i care about def ? And what planes on nano ?

[little bobcat]

do you have at least 1 +13 wyvern

2 wyverns + comet along with avgas angel's feather is best for her afaik but wyverns being +13 are required

[autumn quest]

I got 2 wyverns but 10+

[floral wave]

just do hiryuu

[little bobcat]

you might wanna run hiryuu then

[autumn quest]

[little bobcat]

flapjack / tenrai / wyvern + avgas angel's feather

i think

i haven't really ran hiryuu much recently

so idk if her gears updated

[autumn quest]

Is hiryuu cope compare to+13 wyvern nano ?

[floral wave]

not really

[autumn quest]

Almost equal ?

[little bobcat]

hiryuu has a different use than shinano

shinano has dmg while hiryuu has defensive utility

[floral wave]

that also no, shes more of an additional damage instead of being the huge single strike damage

and a safety net for resets

[autumn quest]

Why does nano need 2 wyvern+13 ?

[little bobcat]

plane hp mostly afaik

since most of nano's damage is actually crash

[floral wave]

because otherwise she doesnt do enough damage

[little bobcat]

could be wrong but that's what i've been told

[autumn quest]

Planes actually crash kamikaze style?

[floral wave]

no

[little bobcat]

yeah they crash into the backline

pve planes do too

[autumn quest]

[floral wave]

they reach end of screen

and cause damage

[autumn quest]

Hiryuu still fine to reach highest rank ?

[floral wave]

sure

[autumn quest]

Always better than using zwei,right ?

[floral wave]

most probably yes

at least against decent def fleets

[autumn quest]

Making sure is that her proper ger,he said he wasnt sure

[floral wave]

ye

[autumn quest]

Apparently avrora is more tryhard

[floral wave]

angel or wnt

[autumn quest]

Wnt on NJ,no ?

[floral wave]

i meant its really whatever, just make sure to use wnt+beaver+another eva/hit or eva+hit aux

on backlines

[little bobcat]

mmm

i just realized having a beaver holder is weird

[autumn quest]

I dont think i got angel's feather

[little bobcat]

both nj and fdg flag are really weird

[floral wave]

hiryuu flag with wnt is perfectly fine

as is off flag wnt

comes down to how confident you are

[little bobcat]

could do

or nj flag

depends honestly

hiryuu could be flag wnt so that nj can be top for less targetting

[little bobcat]

torps here are a substitute for the new ones btw

and anchorage gun should be drek

i just forgot to swap it

[floral wave]

tbh im not sure about duca, but yeah

[little bobcat]

duca is good

[floral wave]

id rather juneau tbh

[little bobcat]

maybe

since his backline is musashiless

and he has hiryuu for more safety

so harbin juneau could prob work

[autumn quest]

Backline nj-:wnt,hsfcr and 457
Fdg beaver sg radar mk4 gun hsfcr
Hiryuu flapjack / tenrai / wyvern + avgas angel's feather(i dont have it)
Vanguard :ancho,ap gun and manjuu
Juneau 128/135,tea torp,sextuple,hp aux
Aya, blue gun full scale hp aux and tea drops

The format is ass mb

I'm confirming the gear

[autumn quest]

No Harbin for a few days but i still want to advance and not wait

Aya cope ?

[little bobcat]

do you have noshi leveled

[autumn quest]

Yes

[little bobcat]

cope her

do you have tamaki btw

[autumn quest]

Nope 200 cubes didnt get her but got 6 lunas instead i gave up

[little bobcat]

sadge

i would've recommended her over hiryuu tbh

[autumn quest]

I got aquila

[little bobcat]

nah

aquila is pretty bad

[autumn quest]

What gear on noshiro instead of aya

And idk if i wait 3 months to get shima so i can chill or do it now

[floral wave]

you dont know if its 3 months or a year for shima tho

[autumn quest]

Apparently yostar stick to the calendar,shima came out 3 months after NJ and she's rerunning in 2 days

Nj came out 1 year after nano

Maybe shima wont be out in 3 months but not in one year for sure

[little bobcat]

yostar is not

very consistent

[floral wave]

i wouldnt count on that "for sure" too much

[little bobcat]

and current theories are next ur is eagle union

xd

from some cn stuff

[autumn quest]

Idc about that means shit

[floral wave]

that means exactly as much as what you said

literally the same

[autumn quest]

1 year per rerun is pretty cope

I dont trust leaks but whatever

I was talking about noshiro

Better than aya ?

[floral wave]

how is it cope if its our only data currently

[little bobcat]

take with huge grains of salt

[floral wave]

noshiro is fine

aya is gamble

[little bobcat]

aya is very mid

[floral wave]

pick your poison

[little bobcat]

i switched to agir and my winrate skyrocketed

[autumn quest]

Worth the gamble until i finish Harbin ?

[floral wave]

idk

[autumn quest]

Sashi users cant understand my pain

[floral wave]

i used aya, i dont use aya anymore, nothing changed

[little bobcat]

imo in anchorage / x / harbin
shima > duca > noshiro > agir >= yuki > aya

as for anchorage / x / juneau

harbin > duca then the same

[autumn quest]

Duca would be too many ressources spent cba

I'm more focused on fleet tech for meta fights

Especially us tech

Would it be better to just finish building harbin so my runs are smoother ?

Cba to struggle against the tryhards

[floral wave]

whats literally ready to go right now?

as in, 125

just use that

[rustic bridge]

can i this use on vpvp

[little bobcat]

Yes

but flag fdg

[autumn quest]

What to use on fdg if no mk4 ?

[floral wave]

is there ANYTHING you CANT do salty?

[little bobcat]

she has better barrage

[autumn quest]

I got 457 and it's on NJ

[little bobcat]

a second 457

[autumn quest]

[rustic bridge]

is this not a ur gun

[autumn quest]

It's not

457 is

[floral wave]

ur gun is mk A

[autumn quest]

So if no mk4 what do i use ?

[floral wave]

thats an issue

[autumn quest]

[stable dawn]

yeah that's the best fleet for defeating Famine META

[autumn quest]

Fk pvp i comeback when i get mk4 then

[little bobcat]

457

you'll sync but whatever

[floral wave]

i mean just use a fast gun

[autumn quest]

[floral wave]

how bad can it be

its early season

[autumn quest]

If i cant build rn a mk4 you can imagine i cant build a 457

[little bobcat]

surely you'd already have 2 457s

[stable dawn]

just get one using cores from the exchange thing

[autumn quest]

[little bobcat]

sacrificing fdg shelling in a comp like this is really pain tbh

[rustic bridge]

3 457 mm no tenrai

[autumn quest]

I cameback after 2 years hiatus in feb

[floral wave]

fdg with no gun sacrifices even more

[stable dawn]

no gun tech is a lexi exclusive thing shhhh

[little bobcat]

fuck it

20s

[autumn quest]

Better comeback when i got a mk4 ?

[little bobcat]

put her on champy

ez

pve fdg in pvp

it's really as simple as that

[floral wave]

not even lexi went no gun fdg

[autumn quest]

I want something consistent

[stable dawn]

yet

[floral wave]

lmao

[autumn quest]

And smooth

[little bobcat]

no gun fdg is not lexi tech YET

[rustic bridge]

horny 508 mm gun when

[floral wave]

not soon

[stable dawn]

confetti gun when

[floral wave]

508 is only a wows pr candidate

[rustic bridge]

460mm confetti

[stable dawn]

no, the twin 410mm type 3 shell

[floral wave]

why no 460 type 3

[stable dawn]

real

[rustic bridge]

free skillbooks when

[stable dawn]

they're already free

[floral wave]

brother, 10 quick finishes a day when

[stable dawn]

I haven't bought a single one with gems

[floral wave]

im sitting at 50 rainbow each and 150-500 gold ones

[autumn quest]

Backline :wnt and 457 nj, sg radar mk4 gun aux fdg,all with hsfcr
Hiryuu :flapjack / tenrai / wyvern + avgas angel's feather
Vanguard :AP gun for ancho and manjuu
Harbin 128/135,tea torp,sextuple,hp aux
3rd vanguard dunno i want something consistent and smooth without aya and what do i do with my beaver?

[stable dawn]

use this thing

https://x94fujo6rpg.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/

[floral wave]

beaver instead of sg radar

[rustic bridge]

have no achno have seh scrapt

[stable dawn]

it's not updated with the new gear lab stuff yet but it helps visualize a lot of things

[little bobcat]

it doesnt even have biszwei yet

[floral wave]

if you want consistency just go for juneau

[little bobcat]

it's rlly slow on updating

[autumn quest]

👍

What gear

[little bobcat]

dd gun / torps / sextuple / boiler / boiler

[rustic bridge]

wjhy my fleet 1 to 1

[floral wave]

boilers or gyros

[little bobcat]

gyros if oath*

[autumn quest]

Teatorps and 128/135 dd gun ?

[little bobcat]

doesnt matter

her damage is shit

i did harbin gun + quint mag

[autumn quest]

100% not oathing her

[floral wave]

im running juneau double gyro without oath

[little bobcat]

torp bulge can replace one of her auxes btw

depends on howf ast she dies

(and how fast you wipe to shima)

[autumn quest]

Btw who takes tears ?

[little bobcat]

middle

whoevers your torper

[autumn quest]

Juneau ?

[little bobcat]

no

juneau is off tank

[autumn quest]

Juneau is less tanky than harbin

Still off tank ?

[little bobcat]

middle slot usually dies first tbh

and either way

you dont want juneau to die too late

[floral wave]

juneau is supposed to die first

[little bobcat]

^^^

you want her to die BEFORE everyone else gets deleted

[autumn quest]

So Harbin takes tears ?

[little bobcat]

this does not work if you're fighting ayanami who snipes and 1 shots your shinano before your frontline even finishes their torps

harbin takes pearl yea

[spiral owl]

well you just reset ayanami memes

[little bobcat]

this has happened to me 4 separate times btw

[autumn quest]

Backline :wnt and 457 nj, beaver mk4 gun aux fdg,all with hsfcr
Hiryuu :flapjack / tenrai / wyvern + avgas angel's feather
Vanguard :AP gun for ancho and manjuu
Harbin 128/135,tea torp,sextuple,toolbox+ tears
Juneau whatever DD gun,teatorps and double gyros

Sounds good ?

[floral wave]

double gyro, double boiler, gyro boiler, torp bulge + gyro/boiler, any mix works for juneau

you just gotta figure which works best for you

[spiral owl]

^^

[floral wave]

im running pearls juneau right now because i dont have any other slot available for it

[autumn quest]

I really dont have angel feather what do i do ?

[floral wave]

fairy magic poster?

[autumn quest]

Nope

[floral wave]

just uh

sg radar fdg beaver hiryuu

i guess