pvp

[scenic tendon]

Just by seeing Bis 2's dragon literally tanked a considerable amount of torps

[trail temple]

tbh your fleet is quite low level and you don't have many of the required ships for PvP (you do have Juneau at least). You're better off just using PvP for exp (win or lose). Anchorage is a must have so invest time into getting US ships and grinding for her

If you want to know what other ships to look for, have a look at the pvp spreadsheet doc

(note: if it isn't there, it's probably shit and not worth mentioning)

[errant zenith]

is reaching captain rank good for an lv 61

[trail temple]

You'll naturally hit Captain rank if you just win enough, you don't have to focus on points

Per se

[errant zenith]

its pretty tough though that the queues are stronger that your actual fleet... i still dont understand why juneau is so good in pvp?

can anyone explain

[trail temple]

Juneau dies, she heals your remaining fleet 25% of their max HP

You know what's worse than a ship doing low damage? A sunken ship doing no damage

[trail temple]

Just need to find fleets that you can beat, use your refreshes effectively. You're gonna take losses at lv61 but that's fine. You'll get a good fleet in the end

And that's when you can start getting higher ranks

[errant zenith]

oo

[whole salmon]

In pvp, ships are expected to die. Most cases you have 2 options: either out dps the enemy or out last the enemy

In cases where you want to out dps the enemy, you wouldn’t run a Juneau. Instead you would run something like a Harbin for more damage as a sub dps

But if you want to out last the enemy, that’s where Juneau comes in. Keeping your other dps alive is crucial. Basically instead of running a sub DPS, you sacrifice your Juneau to keep your main DPS and the rest of the fleet alive

[worldly wolf]

since i dont have shima so i was running ayanami following the spreadsheet but she seems to be doing nothing for my stall setup so is there any substitute for a shima substitute

[fickle echo]

Harbin, Noshiro, Yukikaze and L'Indomptable if you wanna try the forbidden tech

[worldly wolf]

ty will try on reset

[gaunt sparrow]

Is there a strongest PvP ship? If so, who would that be? I'm unsure if Musashi or NJ

[hot haven]

ZAMN

[candid sluice]

Shimakaze

[valid oxide]

I'm intrigued by lindompt tech

[lusty hill]

Currently it's musashi and shimakaze

[fickle echo]

Serenity 2 got released?!

[fickle echo]

It's the forbidden tech that counters the no gun tech, ask @zenith lantern

[zenith lantern]

Yes it's super effective against no gun Seydlitz

But that's a secret Lexi tech so if you're on another server it's pretty unlikely you'll run in to it just yet

When word spreads though you'll be ready

[valid oxide]

I'm on amagi, I could prob run the stalliest stall of my life and win

No damage just stall

[zenith lantern]

Sounds like you're thinking on the right lines to discover your own no gun tech.

[valid oxide]

I need seydlitz for some fun stall

But I don't have seydlitz

What a pain

[zenith lantern]

Maybe you already have and you just didn't realise it. It was almost 2 weeks of pvp with it before I discovered I'd invented no-gun Seydlitz. Have you checked your pvp guns lately?

[valid oxide]

I haven't played much PvP lately

Sleep gets in my way unfortunately

[steel coral]

yall ain't ready for no gun bismarck

[zenith lantern]

I'm already worried about the twin 380mm Bismarck. Give us time to prepare for that first before you bring out the big guns

[valid oxide]

I wonder if hiryuu can equip both wnt and frontier medal

I'm concocting the most unbelievable stall

[zenith lantern]

Only one effect can work at once per side

Now if your opponent had a WNT and you had a Frontier medal both effects would work at the same time

but you need different effects on each fleet

[fickle echo]

You can't even equip both, they need to be on the flagship to work and you can't equip 2 pieces of special gear

[zenith lantern]

so no double WNT

[valid oxide]

But triple BB would be unlikely to have wnt

Hmm

[zenith lantern]

You see it sometimes

[valid oxide]

But then I'd be gambling with potentially less damage reduction no?

[fickle echo]

WNT triple BB still makes more sense than some other things I fought against

[zenith lantern]

Yes you would, generally it's better to have WNT than Frontier medal

since Frontier does nothing to Shima

[valid oxide]

Unfortunate that I don't have seydlitz otherwise I would try making more stall

[zenith lantern]

Shima is also the best stall ship. Nothing makes a fight take longer for your opponent like killing 1-2 of their ships in the first 5s

[valid oxide]

I'm using Harbin for cope smoke

I also don't have shima

[fickle echo]

Frontier Medal is more used to make sure your carriers do enough damage to kill the backline than to stall

[candid sluice]

might as well use no plane aquila tech at this point

[valid oxide]

No plane Aquila is healquila by default iirc

[candid sluice]

new meta im telling you

[pseudo copper]

If you heal you have more hp = more win

[neon bronze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051575727813840997/1113832746897395784/IMG_2535.gif

plane tech better

[trail temple]

Well, that's a bit spicy

[neon bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpnQans4N68

what's the torpedo gear skin that this guy uses on shimakaze and juneau?

[steel coral]

zoomer fleet in 2023

never thought I'd see the day

[steel coral]

new cruise pass

[neon bronze]

damn looks like gotta pray to fuckin rng

[trail temple]

I thought aoste posted that for a sec

[stable dawn]

seeing ghosts smh

[fickle echo]

This brings back memories from when Musashi had just dropped and most players refused to use her
https://youtu.be/8_WIWepjteI

[candid sluice]

[lusty hill]

not using musashi should be normalized

[fickle echo]

But using Shima is alright?

[rigid lotus]

My PVP fleet

It has worked quite well in the past

[hollow walrus]

[pseudo copper]

[fickle echo]

[lusty hill]

what is that AA gun

[hollow walrus]

45 electronics AA gun

[candid sluice]

at least its not a kms fleet

[rigid lotus]

Needed more flak

[neon bronze]

how good is that AA gun

[rigid lotus]

DPS is great but lacks range

[rigid lotus]

Is it that bad

[rigid lotus]

Not a fan of fakeass n@zi ships

[pseudo copper]

Waste of 45 electronics good

[neon bronze]

figures

[rigid lotus]

I relied on the irl performance of the dual 76 guns on Des Moines and Worcester classes

And assumed that their irl performance will be carried to the game

[lusty hill]

irl performance

[rigid lotus]

It was the natural evolution from quad bofors

[lusty hill]

actually clever idea, scare the opponent with historical knowledge

[pseudo copper]

When will my irl torpedo bombers carry 4 or 6 torpedoes each

[little bobcat]

go to wow

this is not the game for historical stuff lmao

if that's what you're looking for

this is a game about waifus and money

[pseudo copper]

WoWS realistic?

[little bobcat]

looks like nerd shit

prob tries to be realistic

[pseudo copper]

Nope

[little bobcat]

L

shit game

is it as shitty as wowt?

[pseudo copper]

It's Wargaming, they make up shit

Yes

[little bobcat]

lmaoo

that game was fucking terrible

[whole salmon]

CN noticed some bug

With the new Amagi skin

But since no one is using Amagi so ig it isn’t a big issue

[rigid lotus]

nah I play war thunder naval

[candid sluice]

this game has no connection to irl history

[rigid lotus]

And some older games like pacific theater of operations

[candid sluice]

like why does bisko 2 exist

[rigid lotus]

From an in-game perspective dual 3-in guns have great dps

I also happen to have an abundant supply of electronics

[little bobcat]

there's a ton of just

fake ships

[rigid lotus]

Yeah 90% of the kriegsmarine

[little bobcat]

zwei and uvh are good examples

all of the research ships are barely planned

[little bobcat]

ye your racism isn't really welcome here mostly because no one cares

[rigid lotus]

How the fuck am I being racist

[little bobcat]

come to think of it

did sn kronshtadt even exist

[rigid lotus]

Only on blueprints

So no

[little bobcat]

wonder why she wasn't made a pr ship then

[rigid lotus]

And along with most of the fakeass commie ships

[little bobcat]

"how am i being racist"

[rigid lotus]

In-game factions are not races

[lusty hill]

Actualy I'm wondering too why is he racist lol

[little bobcat]

you clearly got somethin against the germans beyond just kms

[rigid lotus]

normal people would despise nazism and soviet communism but that is for another day

I hate nazis

[little bobcat]

i don't like it either but it's not exactly my entire personality

[rigid lotus]

The ideology that they professed

My grandparents fought the nazis honorably

[little bobcat]

i don't exactly like kms but it's not because of whatever irl shit they did i just don't like the fact they're widely simped despite being boring ships

agir:

[rigid lotus]

The thing is them being skimped despite being associated with a totalitarian regime is more problematic

Simped

A problematic regime that sought to wipe out the Jews and the Slavs

[little bobcat]

every character is simped but kms is all big boobs and dark colours so they're particularly simpable

same with ijn

except ijn is all simped because they're animals

[rigid lotus]

Which is a reason I mostly use allied ships

Due to this discomfort

[little bobcat]

that gets in the way of meta so

i just don't care about factions

i barely even care about ship designs anymore unless they annoy me

imagine crippling your fleets just because you have a racist brain over a 100 year war your grandparents ate shit and died in

[trail temple]

I didn't know PvP chat involved historical talks of this kind

[little bobcat]

iokr

[lusty hill]

can't believe we're having another player vs player moment

[hollow walrus]

she got laid down as much as Ulrich like

afaik basically 5% of her steel was already laid down

[little bobcat]

oh lmao

[hollow walrus]

Ok nvm she was more laid down than Ulrich

Ulrich was at like 5-6 while Kron was 10%

[vapid crypt]

what bug?

[whole salmon]

Something to do with the barrage

It lacks 1 normal shell I think

[vapid crypt]

gamebreaking or just a meh bug

[whole salmon]

At least that’s what CN found

There’s other bugs with Amagi skin back in the day as well

Skin bugs happen every now and then

[vapid crypt]

i dont have discord back then lol

[whole salmon]

There was even a DD skin bug where the DD’s corpse would just stay on screen and draw the attention of the BBs

So it does happen from time to time

[vapid crypt]

thats cool

[tawny parcel]

Thoughts on full Z vanguard? (Z1, z23, z46)

[candid sluice]

Suck

[winged depot]

wrong channel for that, even so its not good on everyday pve stuffs too

[tawny parcel]

Right channel because there are better choices in pve than these 3

[winged depot]

well, there are even better choices in pvp

[wicked surge]

Not hard to be better lol

[neon bronze]

what did i miss

[lusty hill]

something about nazi and racism

[neon bronze]

[hollow dagger]

I wish these potential matches were a bit more balanced :/

If I reroll the opponents eventually I find someone near my level that I can beat sometimes, but yeah

[neon bronze]

Looks like your fleet needs more levels

[hollow dagger]

Yep

[stable dawn]

tbh you're very early into the game. Just use pvp as a free EXP source for now

I wouldn't worry about being competitive until at least having 6 fully LB'd level 125 ships

[lusty hill]

No 1

[trail temple]

But you're Serenity 2, surely Serenity 1 is No 1?

[lusty hill]

[stable dawn]

is there a pity for serenity 2 banner?

[whole salmon]

The game matched you based on rank, not commander level or fleet power

So you can still meet some retired veterans at low rank

Or meet some people put weak defense at high rank

[vapid crypt]

I like your picture Pink Sugar

Happy Sugar Life

[brazen socket]

I just realized shining bracelet was the original fairy magic

albeit less hit

by 11

its the imas aux

[floral wave]

its worse than sg radar

[unkempt sentinel]

Okay so I'm looking at musashis auxiliaries... I'm trying to gauge which stat out of FP or HIT and CRIT should i focus on...

Then their her augment... It's not that i don't like the one she has it's more less the same dilemma...

Currently her augment is a bowgun... But would the officers sword be better suited for her?

[neon bronze]

1. For secondary gun, a mix of FP, firing angle and range; you never know when the opponent Ancho rams at your Musashi and is just behind her, for example, you need...
2. Augment for all BBs is Officer's Sword. Don't see the worth where specializing against Heavy-armor ships outweighs the survivability advantage the Sword can give with some EVA stat

Do take a read at SaltyArrow and co's PvP document, pinned here in this channel for convenience

[unkempt sentinel]

Danke

[unkempt sentinel]

Also im sorry i didnt mean her aux guns, i was referring to her auxiliary gear slots

Tho that is a useful tip nonetheless

[neon bronze]

oh, i see. it's usually:

• AFCR (for those who were playing the game since Vanguard's event) or HSFCR (if otherwise); and
• Either the Beaver Badge for frontline speed and some EVA, or WNT if it is recommended in some fleets for its damage decrease for both sides (making it more consistent)

[unkempt sentinel]

Musashi currently uses a gold triple 115mm as he secondary, with a firing angle of 120, tho i do see she's able to equip a DD gun that has 360

[neon bronze]

then swap to that DD gun

[floral wave]

are you sure youre recommending bb aux gun based just on angle

[pseudo copper]

DD gun with the ability to 420 no scope is better tbh

[pseudo copper]

I can't wait for that 360 angle gun to be a duck gun or smth

[pseudo copper]

It doesn't say 420 no scope

🚮

[floral wave]

[candid sluice]

im waiting for the 720 firing angle gun

[lusty hill]

The UR DD gun will have that

The UR DD gun will have that

[rustic bridge]

I need 380mm Ur guns

[coral wren]

What shound I change?

[coral wren]

i don't have shima or nj started playing after ulrich's event

[little bobcat]

imo fdg needs the hit more than zwei

also give zwei a wnt

and give fdg fairey magic poster

also replace duca with shima, noshiro, agir or just like

any actually good torp nuker

your auxes on harbin and duca are kinda too since you're lacking speed

also replace your aa guns with staags and preferably scrap the long fuze aa guns because they're shit

and replace your bb aux guns besides zwei's which you should move to musashi

[coral wren]

i just thought zwei would do a lot of dmg

[little bobcat]

musashi does more

[coral wren]

so i gave everything that gives fp buff to her

yeah but musashi's is from her barrage

[little bobcat]

musashi still wants more stuff

[coral wren]

what does ur fleet look like

[little bobcat]

uhhh

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/806047481388466198/1114962916203036712/Screenshot_20230604_100412_Chrome.png

imagine vanny is zwei

cuz she isn't on fleetbuilder yet

i recommend noshiro over agir tho

[valid oxide]

You run agir

[little bobcat]

she actually works p well

[coral wren]

i like duca

[little bobcat]

being buffed by zwei is really big for her

and she has good damage

[coral wren]

cuz she spams torps like crazy

and so does harbin

[little bobcat]

her torps are weak tho

[coral wren]

her skill makes it do a lot

[valid oxide]

Okay but have you thought that other ships just have better torps

Like Aya or noshiro

[little bobcat]

aya is worse in this comp

from my testing

but that's bc i don't have black torp

[uncut agate]

duca has strong torps

[valid oxide]

Also agir when torps hit her

[little bobcat]

I don't really have an issue with agir dying tbh

have u even used her in middle lol

I don't have agir die until harbin dies, which is usually pretty late

[valid oxide]

I don't use agir because I use an actual torper instead

[little bobcat]

you use ayanami don't you

she sucks in triple bb

[valid oxide]

I use Aya harb

[little bobcat]

oh wait aren't you the corgie guy

[valid oxide]

Aya only needs to dump preload and dip anyway

[little bobcat]

kind of a waste

[valid oxide]

Replaced by BZ when BZ is 125

[little bobcat]

you shouldn't need ayanami's damage if your comp is good (it isn't because you're poor)

id rather agir and have the qol of slow

for musashi to hit the vg better

plus agir's torps aren't even that bad anyways

[valid oxide]

Have you thought that the only point of Aya is bye bye enemy backline ship

[little bobcat]

you just have brainrot from aya / shima

[empty mesa]

Have you managed not to overcap this season, Letan?

[valid oxide]

And that I will reset until I see an enemy backliner go bye bye

[little bobcat]

have you thought that I literally did that for months before realizing it was dumb and pointless

[little bobcat]

oh nah I overcapped week 1 and immediately stopped doing pvp LOL

this coming season im gonna actually set alarms

[valid oxide]

Dumb and pointless
Sounds like agir when in a fleet with no seydlitz

[little bobcat]

you do you

[valid oxide]

Wait I'm talking to a help banned person

saltybelfast alt

[little bobcat]

wait I'm talking to a person without a good backline

[valid oxide]

Sushi fdg BZ

[little bobcat]

aren't you still using warkai

[valid oxide]

No I'm just not doing PvP until BZ is 125

[empty mesa]

I hope you won't be disappointed. I saw a few Bisco fleets this season and can't say I was very impressed.

[valid oxide]

It's better than corgi

So I won't be disappointed

(my fleet because less cope)

[floral wave]

bruh why so cruel

[whole salmon]

The Black Hole range on offense is 90 unit away from Bismarck 2

Meaning its placement would be behind the enemy frontline

So the black hole only works on defense

[floral wave]

suck in opponents backline

[whole salmon]

With a circle diameter of 16 units

And lasting 3 seconds, it might not be reliable even on defense

[whole salmon]

Won’t reach

It is behind the enemy frontline but still ahead of backline

It is in the middle zone where nothing is there

[empty mesa]

PvE bote.

[floral wave]

not like backline would move anyway

i think?

[whole salmon]

CN testing has hit rate blackhole be at 60% on 100 samples

[whole salmon]

It won’t reach backline

The black hole is in the filler zone between frontline and backline

[floral wave]

yeah i get it

[whole salmon]

It isn’t targeting

It is just bad

[floral wave]

but even if it did reach

would backline actually get moved

[whole salmon]

Blame the devs for wacky placement

[floral wave]

idc, good shes not getting a place in pvp

except lil enty server

[whole salmon]

Another interesting concept that could have been done better

[empty mesa]

Ajuk had decent fleet and now he is running this copium.

[whole salmon]

Since I really do like this concept

[floral wave]

why not just flag sushi

[empty mesa]

Good question.

[floral wave]

most probably wont die to preload torps

then theres juneau

sushi offflag looks meh here but otherwise interesting

[whole salmon]

Mhm I had quite a lot of ideas for BZ but it seems like it wouldn’t be worth it in the end

[floral wave]

theres not much to bis2 except the blackhole, no?

[whole salmon]

There are ways you can play around with the blackhole

[floral wave]

and since it basically doesnt exist on attack ...

[whole salmon]

If it worked properly like I thought it did

But without it, BZ isn’t interesting enough for me to experiment

Also you can kill her dragon before you kill her

Also another thing I notice is there is an ever slight delay between the skill proc-ing and the black hole appearing

Around 1 second I think

[hollow walrus]

Delay is probably because the black hole is activated thru an invisible torp like thing that has to move towards the target

[little bobcat]

idk why he flagged tamaki bit this fleet isn't actually bad

looks pretty good

[empty mesa]

I rolled it like 2 times and it's not.

[little bobcat]

all defense fleets are bad

because attacker bonus

[empty mesa]

I doubt it's good on attack.

[little bobcat]

if you have a competent fleet you could beat anything lol

[little bobcat]

it's quite good on attack

but zwei does function better on defense

ari mentioned tamaki being pretty good but i don't think he gave her a direct rating or anything

[empty mesa]

On Lil E maybe.

[little bobcat]

I mean

[fickle echo]

As good as I said Tamaki was I never said it was on UR level making her the flag will only make her take free damage from Musashi

[little bobcat]

^^

not exactly reliable but he said "good enough for lexi"

which is pretty mid since lexi is dead

[fickle echo]

Also bottom is literally the worse place for a Musashi, even top can at least be used to snipe because most people put their important ships there

[little bobcat]

the guys ships themselves are good but sadly bad positioning

do you still agree with sashi flag fdg bottom zwei top btw

[fickle echo]

And it's 3BB Juneau

[little bobcat]

ari

[fickle echo]

FDG bottom at least makes her secondary gun accelerates if she takes too much damage so it makes sense

[little bobcat]

I'm worried about zwei's position tnh

if I put her top then clown sashi fleets or stuff like meeb is gonna snipe zwei

but any other position is really bad for her

she's too squishy

[fickle echo]

Just don't use her, problem solved

[empty mesa]

Too many people on BZ copium.

[little bobcat]

she is good though what lol

[fickle echo]

You can try my old WNT+VG tech if you want her taking less damage because Vanguard's buff can ignore part of the WNT debuff, but then VG isn't tanky too and her barrage misses a lot

[little bobcat]

I could just rudder zwei

but something tells me she needs wnt

[fickle echo]

You can try Yukicopium too

[empty mesa]

People who don't sandbag can run whatever and just refresh.

[little bobcat]

[fickle echo]

Letan is going for EoS next season

[empty mesa]

Real.

[little bobcat]

ill probably overcap on a weekend

since i work then and on sundays im never available at set2

maybe I could just 0 out on set1 after set3 on saturday and try to get a bonus late into set2 idk

[stable dawn]

pvp in the bathroom ez

[floral wave]

"what took you so long?"
"sorry, got walled"

[stable dawn]

just claim diarrhea

[floral wave]

would bis2 even replace fdg in sushi/seyd/fdg comp

[stable dawn]

she replaces musashi

[floral wave]

imagine asking a srs question

[autumn quest]

[neon bronze]

Hmm... I don't agree with this on Meeb, but agree on literally any other fleet

[fickle echo]

It's because your server isn't full of Manjuu NJ fleets, they almost always are in the top so putting Musashi there makes things easier

[neon bronze]

Can only identify two of them, and I'm sure there's at least three more

Rare case

Top Musashi would get jumped on by 3 BB fleets when I started out

[floral wave]

you sure thats because shes top and not because shes the only visible target?

[neon bronze]

surely

[little bobcat]

the thing is my coworkers are all vaguely knowledgable about games

[neon bronze]

A bit of both. Musashi bottom survives better in my Meeb

[little bobcat]

so i could probably just be honest and say "had to do something"

[floral wave]

rip

[floral wave]

i mean i used musashi bottom tooz but thats because she survives more than shinano

never had a case when top consistently took more damage than bottom

[little bobcat]

im psure back when i used meeb i used musashi top

but lexington is full of

fucking

dumbass yakuza fleets

so chances were that nano was the first to go whether i liked it or not

[stable dawn]

get them addicted to pvp

[little bobcat]

nah i don't think they'd be into al

because boober

[stable dawn]

[candid sluice]

Putting musashi on bottom 💀

[coral wren]

https://tenor.com/view/christian-bale-american-psycho-walk-jam-gif-16732505

[junior beacon]

What is being referenced there

[floral wave]

wrong musashi placement ofc

[pseudo copper]

Beth not having to reset against meme fleets when?

Even losing against weeb

[coral wren]

Bismark has WNT

she needs to be flag

[floral wave]

ni

ni

[coral wren]

just testing things out

[floral wave]

fuck

no*

you either swap wnt to musashi

or dont use wnt on flag if your gear is good enough

[coral wren]

why does it matter tho

[floral wave]

because musashis barrage hits more stuff when shes flag

she also survives a lot more

[coral wren]

ill put bismark on the top then

[pseudo copper]

Positions take different damage, Bisco squishy af so flag means she'll die too fast while Sushi barrage does more damage to vanguard when middle usually

[little bobcat]

bbs target flag > bottom > top

zwei and vanny if used are often relegated to top bc they'll usually survive a tad bit longer

[candid sluice]

💀 💀

[little bobcat]

also some barrage shenanigans

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/5DMoPc_WH9E

Here's the Zwei test

I sacrificed everything for the sake of this video

[winged depot]

[whole salmon]

The black hole only hit like twice in the entire vid

But when it hits, the enemy frontline is dead

If only the placement of the blackhole is consistent, it could have been meta changing

There’s a lot of potential with crowd control like effects

Like smh devs why did you have it be a fixed distance

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

And yeah the black hole won’t reach the enemy backline even if the enemy frontline is gone

Due to it being fixed distance

[winged depot]

your problem seems to be a CV being not revealed. there is a Bar on the side of a CV if its not full a BB can't target it

only way to make it full is to let your vanguard win the vg battle, make your own cv reveal them and let it airstrike till the bar is full (given if your ships survive)

[lusty hill]

holy shit hood gun is real

why not use odin gun since better dps and similar reload

[fickle echo]

The spread isn't as good as a double gun so sometimes the shells miss when aiming just because of the high spread

[valid oxide]

No gun BZ

[stable dawn]

Aldarn tech

[lusty hill]

but is he barrage is so good that sacrificing her gun damage is justifiable? like georgia gun is only 3s difference but with huge improvement in gun damage

[wicked surge]

Pretty sure he is just meming,457 is prob still best

[lusty hill]

dude you have skill issue in pvp

[whole salmon]

There’s other reasons

Although I disagree with Hood gun

I can see where he is coming from

He wants his Bismarck Zwei to fire the barrage before Anchorage can get smoke off

There’s slight delay when the skill proc and when the black hole starts appearing

So the timing fits quite well

[wicked surge]

I don’t play pvp lol, I could get aotn if I want to but dead game mode

[whole salmon]

When the black hole hits, 2 of Aldarn’s ships dies immediately

Since smoke isn’t up

So it was quite effective

Just that Bismarck Zwei’s barrage hit rate is inconsistent on offense

[fickle echo]

I tried 457 but her gun damage still isn't impressive so might instead make her fire the barrage before Musashi so the blackhole can stop the vanguard or at least the dragon can bait some barrages

[whole salmon]

But then again, an MK4 could also work

But yeah, I can see why he didn’t choose 457

[whole salmon]

It was a good idea

Tbh, I had a similar idea with yours but with NJ Mk4 instead of Musashi

Just that the fixed distance caused unreliable hit rate

[fickle echo]

Mk4 was slower than Musashi, it might be because I don't have her at max aff but I'm not sure

[whole salmon]

So this is probably a low high tier fleet

[wicked surge]

Hmmm my in pve Bismark has pretty solid gun damage , is your skills maxed?

[whole salmon]

The damage won’t be as high with 457 due to Ancho’s smoke being up

Pvp works quite differently once you start looking into specifics

[wicked surge]

Ah I thought you ment in general, that’s makes sense

[whole salmon]

Bismarck Zwei still works tbh, but due to the devs coding, there’s a lot of unreliability

[fickle echo]

Musashi isn't just like some random boss that loses lots of hp to anything

Also her barrage does way more damage than the gun

[whole salmon]

I still think I take her over UvH in pvp

For the select few that’s still using UvH in pvp for some reason

[lusty hill]

I see that actually make sense, and avoiding ancho smoke is something I never thought about, but does the dragon really bait damage? I only fight bismarck once and the dragon seems to do nothing other than shooting

[wicked surge]

For Bismark maybe not considering the fact her first salvo is a guaranteed crit

[whole salmon]

The dragon is weird

Idk how it works exactly

It kinda melts from planes

But otherwise it can do fine

[wicked surge]

Dragon is pretty gimmicky

[whole salmon]

And idk what happens if we kill it

[fickle echo]

The dragon can even affect the enemy vanguard movement as long they don't kill them, it even makes Ancho unable to move sometimes lmao

[fickle echo]

Warspite's barrage is also guaranteed crit and does nothing to Musashi

[whole salmon]

I do have an idea tho

You remember the CV from the collab re run before this one

[wicked surge]

That’s just warspite tho

[whole salmon]

That CV can apply slow with Swordfish

Which copium help the hit rate

[wicked surge]

Chise?

[whole salmon]

But probably not

No

The one from DOA

[wicked surge]

Nvm that’s from rikka event

Oh Luna

The cvl

[deft escarp]

How good is she btw?

[fickle echo]

Worse than FDG

[vapid crypt]

how about ulrich vs bismarck zwei

on pve/pvp

[fickle echo]

Ulrich does no damage to backlines that got damage reduction and running her as flagship isn't worthy because she doesn't do anything special as flagship, her only role is to slow the vanguard and maybe kill some light/medium armor ships

[little bobcat]

better in both

zwei is op in pve

NJ killer

[unkempt sentinel]

I managed to squeeze into captain with 30 minutes to spare!

This fleet is actually pretty damn good

I even managed to outdo someone using vanguard XD

[lusty hill]

Congrats

[lime folio]

is zinn "sandbagged" enough for my first match

[neon bronze]

how many matches you have left?

[lime folio]

just woke up

5/10

[neon bronze]

this guy only done one match, maybe

[lime folio]

ya it feels like it

wonder ifi ll get 25 or more uhh ill wait a bit i guess

[charred tinsel]

Who should I swap out for ancho

[lusty hill]

agir

[charred tinsel]

Is she okay?gear wise

Or gold quadruple torps

[floral wave]

blue twin torps

elite damage control

cosmic kicks

sexybofors/UR aa

[pastel jolt]

Hello, what's the highest score anyone has gotten with 5 post-captain overcaps?

[rustic bridge]

Baaah achnorage

[winged remnant]

Can anyone help me make a pvp/defense fleet?

[spiral owl]

It's gonna be pretty hard to do anything interesting with what you have right now, you could go Shinano/Hiryuu/Unicorn (retrofit) Yukikaze/Ayanami/Juneau but it's gonna be very hard to beat any proper pvp fleets, I'd suggest getting anchorage asap since she's a staple of any decent pvp comp

[winged remnant]

How do I get her? I also know my ships are kinda outdated, but I'm a returning player.

[pseudo copper]

Pr grind

[candid olive]

Is Aquila good in pvp?

[empty mesa]

No. Pure copium.

[candid olive]

Not even in her preloaded airstrike config?

[empty mesa]

Yeah, preload useless. Zero damage.

[neon bronze]

Aquila has lost a lot of her luster since Musashi released

[candid olive]

I don't have Musashi

[floral wave]

others do

[candid olive]

you don't say!

According to the pinned guide, she's in Tier 1 part of the Yakuza setup. While no longer Tier 0, wouldn't using her be better than just throwing w/e ships in main fleet?

[floral wave]

oh, definitely shes better than random backliner

but without knowing your options not much can be done

[candid sluice]

anything on the guide is better than anything not on there

[valid oxide]

Zwei uses hood gun

time for no gun because I refuse to craft that

[zenith lantern]

Best gun for Zwei isn't really settled. Hood gun is just an option

[empty mesa]

Is it worth using BZ at all?

[zenith lantern]

Lexi opinions are pretty down on her.

Of course it depends what you have available too

Mine isn't 125 yet so I haven't tested myself but I think she can work in a very specific fleet. Will have to see when I can start testing

[valid oxide]

For me yes because the only other options are hiryuu or corgi

[empty mesa]

Well, I am not talking about Lil E or new player with copium fleets.

[zenith lantern]

If you're going to use her she's either replacing NJ or FDG. Either way you're trading surviviability for damage. You're going to need to try and finish fights fast to take advantage of that. It all comes down to if you can kill the Musashis and FDGs fast enough to make it worth it.

The last time an all out attack fleet was good was Zoomer and Musashi totally killed that fleet's viability.

[pseudo copper]

Mine too

[stable dawn]

[candid olive]

Damn it! Why can't new URs be good in pvp anymore?

[valid oxide]

because no new URs are better than shima/harbin

[winged depot]

Musashi just don't exist huh

She's newer than shima

[valid oxide]

I'm talking about specifically in the vanguard torper role

Only shima

And harb

The rest pretty cope

[wheat torrent]

What gun for bisz?

[torpid shuttle]

they'll ping you

responses take awhile

[valid oxide]

It's prob still being tested a lil, currently hood gun

i vote no-gun tech because hood gun is a waste

[whole salmon]

If your fleet has 2 BB or more

Bismarck Zwei should have a gun that let her fire before other BBs and before Ancho pop smoke

Dats it

[valid oxide]

No gun should be pretty fast iirc

[whole salmon]

Hood gun works as tested

But idk with 200 aff you can squeeze in mk4

[valid oxide]

Stock gun is 14.5 sec reload

Triple 283mm is even faster

[candid olive]

Which one is Hood's gun? Is it the drop from last map in current event?

[whole salmon]

No

[little bobcat]

13.32s for stock gun
15.18s for fdg gun
14.33 for odin gun
14.16 for hood gun
14.45 for 380mm skc/34

ignoring oath

[valid oxide]

where triple 283

[candid olive]

What's the in-game description for Hood's gun?

[little bobcat]

triple 283 skc/34 is 13.32

[whole salmon]

Twin 381 BL 15 inch Mk II

[torpid shuttle]

is there a matchup dif btwn top comps

[pastel jolt]

What do you classify as a "top comp"?

Yakuza?

Meeb?

Which variants of 3bb/2bb1cv?

[scenic tendon]

Bro Bisko 2's skill finally sucks

sucks the enemy in pvp I mean

[scenic tendon]

what even is a hood gun

[neon bronze]

this guy right here

[scenic tendon]

nice, im using it too

[neon bronze]

on uh, who? BisZwei?

[scenic tendon]

should I replace the secondary gun?

bis2

[neon bronze]

idk i don't use BisZwei

[scenic tendon]

I think Bis 2 can replace NJ in some situation

in 3BBs team

currently Musashi/FdG/Bis2

[scenic tendon]

nvm Bis2 needs white shell

[neon bronze]

[whole salmon]

Consistency of blackhole is still mbruh

[whole salmon]

Tbh if you insist on using Bismarck Zwei, just replace FDG instead and keep the NJ

[little bobcat]

saltybelfast hasn't talked in a while

maybe he doesn't need us anymore now that zwei makes him win

[ocean prairie]

Don’t jinx it

[stable dawn]

or the mods finally permamuted him

[little bobcat]

maybe

[uncut agate]

he realised Bismarck is Enty

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

lmao it even includes the hair

[lusty hill]

Enty Zwei confirmed

[scenic tendon]

if the hole spawns right on the enemy

[whole salmon]

CN calculated approximately hit rate on offense is 55% out of 100 matches

[scenic tendon]

nice

better than ranger

[whole salmon]

And the hole doesn’t spawn right on the enemy

The hole spawns at a fixed location

[scenic tendon]

I know

we all know

[whole salmon]

It is the enemy’s job to walk into it

[scenic tendon]

[whole salmon]

Even then, the gimmick is wack due to the delay

[scenic tendon]

you already know that

[whole salmon]

Chances of Bismarck Zwei blackhole working is low

At best when it works perfectly, she can substitute for NJ

At worst, she can only replace UvH and is still below FDG

[scenic tendon]

Yeah, FdG is buffed by Bis 2

[whole salmon]

Survivability is also an issue of concern

Considering she is mid tier as far as UR BBs are concerned

[scenic tendon]

[whole salmon]

Musashi is a must have currently, NJ is the next best reliable candidate

The last slot is currently going for FDG and Vanguard

Bismarck Zwei only serves as a substitute at best

And copium double KMS fleet if you want to go that route

[scenic tendon]

man I dont have NJ

[empty mesa]

Enjoy your cope fleet.

[scenic tendon]

if I have to fight 3 BBs, I guess I will just go York 2 and Enty

and hope for rng

[whole salmon]

Newer URs after Musashi hasn’t been that stunning

Yorktown 2 and Implacable aren’t pvp ships are are thus completely neglected

Frontline ships haven’t seen a change in an entire year

Bismarck Zwei only serves as a better substitute than UvH

[empty mesa]

People better use Hiryuu than new URs tbh.

[whole salmon]

It is quite hard for CVs to enter the meta in the current state

Either they have to be tankier and deal as much or more than Shinano

Or is a straight powercreep to Aquila

With the other 2 slots pretty much being fully occupied by Musashi NJ

[stable dawn]

don't worry guys next event will be UR CV with preload totally

[candid sluice]

just give shinano two preloads

[stable dawn]

Pinano? Shersius?

[scenic tendon]

also if Shimakaze is a 10, how much will Ayanami be?

[stable dawn]

6

[scenic tendon]

man

[stable dawn]

Harbin would be like an 8

[scenic tendon]

I guess I'll go with my Noshiro

[stark ice]

No no no.
We need UR sub!

[pseudo copper]

I am a sub

[stable dawn]

a washington pvper?

[pseudo copper]

Impossible

The prophecy said Washi is extinct

[scenic tendon]

they dont do much pvp?

[stable dawn]

there are 1.5 active washy pvpers

one is an old man, filled with regret, waiting to die alone
the other is a literal lich

who can scarcely be called human

[scenic tendon]

thats great

[pseudo copper]

More than Sandy

Which isn't much to say tbh

It's just Borgar + a few corpses

[scenic tendon]

man I'm playing on Sandy

fr

[pseudo copper]

Sorry for your loss

[scenic tendon]

yeah

thanks

[stable dawn]

2585 #1 eos on sandy

[scenic tendon]

impressive

[stable dawn]

it's the top 10 cutoff score on 3 other servers

[scenic tendon]

I actually dont really know which is the right time to pvp

can someone tell me?

[pseudo copper]

Bag every set

[stable dawn]

inject coffee into your veins

[pseudo copper]

Resets are at 00:00 12:00 18:00 server time

[scenic tendon]

frick me bro

I know about that... rank gap

[stable dawn]

actually point gap

[pseudo copper]

If you sleep through a reset, just move before

If sleep/busy through 2 resets 0 out

[stable dawn]

ranks only matter in top 100 because you can see their point count

[scenic tendon]

yeah

point gap

[scenic tendon]

just use all of my attempts?

[stark ice]

How to reach ±2600 points at the end ?

[pseudo copper]

Ideally only down to 5/10 before a reset

To maximise bonuses

[scenic tendon]

okay

[stable dawn]

impossible on your server

[scenic tendon]

thats help

[stable dawn]

not enough pvpers

[pseudo copper]

bag and cope that your server isn't dead

[stable dawn]

was possible pre-2021 when game wasn't as dead

[pseudo copper]

Yostar needs to start marketing the anni music for game ad

[stable dawn]

Yostar needs to start marketing AL in general

[scenic tendon]

or... even... uh... doing some mafia stuffs

[pseudo copper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/772442532223254542/1109727171343302736/20230521_141859.jpg

AL just needs to stop advertising AK

[scenic tendon]

fr

[stable dawn]

damn I want to roll Ch'en in AL

[scenic tendon]

they just have to post a review of Glorious's l2d skin

[pseudo copper]

I wanna roll you

[stable dawn]

you'll never take me alive

[pseudo copper]

You can't run away from me

You are stuck in that museum with all the other Washi fossils

[stable dawn]

I don't need to run, I just need to break your legs

[pseudo copper]

Jokes on you, I sold my legs

[stable dawn]

[scenic tendon]

wow

Sandy is actually worse than other servers at pvping

[pseudo copper]

Everything p much not just pvp

[stable dawn]

they're good at using 460mm on Musashi in pvp

[scenic tendon]

[pseudo copper]

I guess technically they still have more fleetpower players in top 100 than Lexi and Amagi atm

[scenic tendon]

they just chill

[pseudo copper]

Being a corpse is not chill

It's called being a corpse

Well I guess having no blood pumping is chill

[stable dawn]

are you sure they're corpses and not mummies?

[scenic tendon]

the corpse is chill for sure

[pseudo copper]

No

But

Same

[gaunt sparrow]

This question has probably been asked a million times, now a million and one, but how does Bismarck Zwei hold up in PvP compared to the other top dogs?

[pseudo copper]

Imo too squish to replace anyone from triple BB, but testing still being done by other people

[gaunt sparrow]

What does the triple BB comp look like in PvP?

For context, the backline I'm using is Hiryuu, Musashi and Shinano, although in an ideal world I would, with my current knowledge, replace Hiryuu with NJ

Nevermind, it was one look away in the pinned document. Sorry

[neon bronze]

Musashi - NJ - FdG (Fs3+) is currently the best 3 BB fleet atm, with Vanguard variant trailing behind

Seydlitz variants are solid, as well as giving a use to the funny 460mm/Yamato gun (it's really good).

[lusty hill]

UR DD gun will bring DDG and yuudachi as new pvp meta

[pseudo copper]

Serenity copium reaching new heights

[floral wave]

cl gun buff will make ply pvp viable

copium

[lusty hill]

I've seen lot of people use plymouth

[candid sluice]

Ive seen a lot of people use mutsuki

[spare venture]

When anchorage and enty can be debuffed?

[pseudo copper]

SaltyBelfast alt?

[spare venture]

Me? Nope

[valid oxide]

It's not a saltybelfast alt because saltybel kil anchorage

Being worse than saltybel is truly a skill issue

[floral wave]

always?

[spare venture]

Often

[floral wave]

?

[autumn quest]

Is zwei good enough to cope replace sashi ?

[floral wave]

no

shes good enough to cope replace fdg

[zenith lantern]

Seydlitz variant is definitiely better than Vanguard tbh. It stands up pretty well to NJ, FDG, Musashi even.

[fickle echo]

Vanguard isn't that impressive aside from her buffs

[zenith lantern]

She's good when CVs are a threat. NJ + VG AA together reduces crash damage a lot. But otherwise you want a ship with a better barrage

[scenic tendon]

Guys, how to "not" getting new leftmost opponent

[hollow walrus]

wdym

[scenic tendon]

sometimes when I log in, the leftmost opponent is not having the point gap

for bonus points

[hollow walrus]

you can't control when they move

[scenic tendon]

[hollow walrus]

or you can collude with them

[scenic tendon]

got it

will I get banned?

someone flexed AoTN to me so I have to get there

[fickle echo]

Banned for collusion

[hollow walrus]

[scenic tendon]

we're doing some... mafia or yakuza stuffs

It cant be that bad

[pseudo copper]

I'm finally getting banned

[candid sluice]

rip kiriko banned for coll*sion

[sand apex]

Do you lose morale in lost pvp matches?

[empty mesa]

Only IRL.

[winged depot]

nope

[sand apex]

Ten games per day is pretty damn long lol

[lusty hill]

it's 15

[sand apex]

And you have to watch all of them

[lusty hill]

you don't have to watch but you might lose if you don't watch

you can restart the fight if you think you gonna lose without losing an attempt

[sand apex]

Oh. So theres rng

Damn too bad theres no skip button

[lusty hill]

[sand apex]

I usually know if ill win or lose before the game starts for the moment lol

[floral wave]

its like 15-20 minutes a day

for 15 battles

[empty mesa]

Wtf, where are you getting 1m+ fights?

[uncut agate]

loading screen and endscreen loading, against good opponents that is

[lusty hill]

you forgot that opponent may have shimakaze

[candid sluice]

wifi issue

[floral wave]

no they cant because mans on lil e

[empty mesa]

They should release Shima II so Lil E can too.

[floral wave]

jp anni shima2 so we dont have to wait for rerun

[lusty hill]

lil e sounds like pvp heaven

no newbie bullying

[valid oxide]

Newbie bullying on lil e is called having anchorage first

[stable dawn]

p2w pvp

[floral wave]

yeah except you're super happy if you can get -1s on last day

[sand cliff]

Has anyone played Bismarck Zwei in pvp?

[stable dawn]

testing is still being done

though so far she's not looking so good

[valid oxide]

She's better than warkai TM

[rustic bridge]

Yes

She is my enty killer

[sand cliff]

Enty in PvP

[rustic bridge]

yes my hate ship

She is my best PvP ship

[lusty hill]

How can she kill enty with low level skill

[valid oxide]

Saltybel magic

Same magic that lets lv70 enty kill saltybel when no BZ

[rustic bridge]

She is Not single

And Hood

[lusty hill]

Hood in kms fleet

Bruh the og Bismarck has better gear lol

[junior trench]

What's going on with Bisc2? Is she supposed to have historically accurate gear or something?

[rustic bridge]

155m ar Not historicall

[junior trench]

Ah ok, so you just purposely chose terrible gear

Makes sense

[rustic bridge]

is good gear

[junior trench]

You cannot say that with that AA gun equipped

[rustic bridge]

Yes i can

[junior trench]

Just because you refuse to believe what you use is suboptimal does not mean that it’s not true.

[scenic tendon]

this is kinda weird... the gap between top 1 and... the rest of Sandy

[rustic bridge]

for me optimal

[scenic tendon]

no wonder why you have help banned role

[junior trench]

Ya, he's pretty famous for having weird team layouts and terrible gear equipped.

[scenic tendon]

He's doing a little of trolling fr

[rustic bridge]

my Team is good

My Gear is amsweet

[rustic bridge]

Have No skill books wait of Money

I muss buy this

[fickle echo]

Literally skill issue

[rustic bridge]

And bisco 2 damage is Not Bad

[fickle echo]

Off-flag Hood MVP

[rustic bridge]

Hood is a real Monster

[fickle echo]

Her skins prove she has the power to manipulate space

[rustic bridge]

Yes

[junior trench]

Sounds like a waste of $3.
You'd get more worth out of a pack of gum for like half that amount.

[rustic bridge]

I need this

[junior trench]

Sure, but it's not necessary. Plus, $3 for three tier 4 skill books sounds like a terrible deal.

[little bobcat]

$3 is pocket change

are you really that poor?

[junior trench]

No, but it’s still not a worthwhile purchase considering how easy skill books can be to get.

Sure, $3 isn’t too much money, but it’s the same reason why 90% people don’t spend gems on oil or coins, it’s not a worthwhile exchange.

[little bobcat]

spending gems on oil isn't as bad of a conversion as gems to coins

[stable dawn]

[rustic bridge]

I nned this i forget dailys everxy day

[junior trench]

They take like 3 seconds though, just click "auto-clear" and you're done.

Literally read down this list of your "daily missions" when you login if you're prone to forget, that way you'll be reminded if you see a mission that says "do daily challenges".

[floral wave]

another victim of saltybelfast

[junior trench]

Nah, I'm well aware of him. I just am trying to save him from wasting his money.

[candid sluice]

its his money let him do what he wants with it

[junior trench]

[lusty hill]

I want his money

[rustic bridge]

give me you skillbooks

[sudden spoke]

Tis a fools errand

[lusty hill]

Is new torps good for pvp

Looks like British torps but magnetic

[tacit fox]

I’ll try them for harbin the moment server goes up

[valid oxide]

It's like German quads crossed with teatorps

More base damage than German quads but they fire in teatorp pattern

Actually tighter spread than teatorps too

Potential budget torps for non blacktorp owners

Shit the torps are as fast (torp move speed) as teatorps too

[lusty hill]

New torps + rainbow oxytorp = new meta

I hope it won't make shimakaze stronger

[rustic bridge]

i have No Team torps

[valid oxide]

it makes my cope Aya stronger

[whole salmon]

Yeah, it works

Magnetic but has MKIX pattern

Could use rainbow oxy torp to make up for the lack of damage instead of black aux torp

Still require testing but in theory it seems superior to the previous build

[whole salmon]

This new torp can also be used on Harbin or Juneau if you feel like it

As for the new DD gun it ig it might still require testing

[stable dawn]

a pvp revolution???

[whole salmon]

It gives only 20 FP stat and lack of range so you won’t be using it on a backliner

As for a frontliner like Harbin or Juneau then ig we have to wait

But it does seem to have potential

[whole salmon]

Those on Little E server who doesn’t have black aux torp would benefit greatly from this

[valid oxide]

Or older server noobs

It helps my Aya cope

[rustic bridge]

What is this for a torp

[floral wave]

does it really make up for 1 torp and less base dmg

[valid oxide]

Probably not, but it works for Juneau and as an option for people with no blacktorp

Or consistency cope

[whole salmon]

In pvp it is quite rare for them to hit all 5 so kinda hard to say. As for damage per torp then they are about equal. As for consistency then still require testing but the magnetic still retains for other salvos and doesn’t disappear after the first wave. You can also run it on ships that may not use black aux like Juneau

However Ari pointed out to me that since without black aux making the torp into acoustic magnetic, the new torp would be faster

• Black Aux MKIX: 20 speed
• Regular MKIX: 35 speed
• New torp: 35 speed

Being faster may not let the magnetic have enough time to self correct to hit the preferred target

[floral wave]

huh

so the mag aux makes them slower

never noticed

[whole salmon]

The torps all have different speed

[floral wave]

i realize that

[whole salmon]

Since the black aux makes all torps into Acoustic Homing on its first salvo

[floral wave]

yeah

[whole salmon]

All of the torps would have 20 speed

[floral wave]

didnt realize it works that way

[whole salmon]

But this new torp still retains its 35 speed

Quite interesting

[floral wave]

worth checking out

[whole salmon]

New DD gun is terrible as aux gun on BBs

So don’t bother trying

Like Smh only 20 FP and 50 range

As for it on frontliners then we have to wait and see

But as far as DD guns goes, the Pompeo SAP gun might still works as a more cost efficient and more balanced alternative

[stable dawn]

SAP Supremacy

[golden lantern]

is the new DD gun better than the 76mm for shima?

[umbral saddle]

is AA important in pvp?

[golden lantern]

this is

[umbral saddle]

i mean fighters with weak AA. curious if new fighter works better than tiger cat and the other2

[golden lantern]

both are best i think, the flapjack has some more hp so its a bit better

sea hornet isnt bad either

[little bobcat]

you only use flapjack nowadays

anything else is just throwing lol

[little bobcat]

if you're fighting good fleets, no
if you're fighting outdated cv fleets, yes

[modern kestrel]

yo why do my bb's just sometimes freeze up and not fire their guns?

[pseudo copper]

You didn't detect enemy CV

Or if you lost vanguard fight, vanguard too close to your BB to fire main guns

[modern kestrel]

damn good to know lol

[torpid shuttle]

where about's musa bisko shinano to musa hiryuu shinano? or is bisko2 a triple bb type comper

[pseudo copper]

Bisco 2 too squish for me to replace FdG, Shina would be the one to go there but still NJ over Bisco 2. Some are testing Seyd comps

[torpid shuttle]

i see

[pseudo copper]

Could also run MSN too, but yeah I'd still not run Bisco 2 over FdG or NJ

[little bobcat]

running both zwei and fdg:

[gritty quiver]

is the fake dd gun > neptune on bbs? i cant remember

[zenith lantern]

The fake DD gun is the best aux for BBs maybe with the exception of the Plymouth gun

[gritty quiver]

anything to improve besides harbin/juneau instead of poi?

aquila is for reveal cuz i have issues with concealment pretty often

i have no shimakaze, nj or vanguard

[tacit fox]

You can use noshiro or duca as well instead of yuudachi

[fickle echo]

Replace Aquila with either Zwei/Seydlitz/Tamaki/UVH or if really wanna use a carrier pick Hiryuu/Shinano instead Aquila's revealing carriers will only make your BBs end up doing less damage to vanguards and enemy BBs