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#pvp
little bobcat
floral wave
not a guide, not advice
little bobcat
you can't expect them to comprehend a guide like that unless they're truly interested in pvp
floral wave
then they wont comprehend a simple answer either
little bobcat
which is why sometimes you shouldn't redirect them to the guide unless they're being a little more specific with fleetbuilding
like me
except my fleetbuilding is just stupid
candid sluice
whats difficult to comprehend in the guide
floral wave
the point where you need to actually go there and read i guess
or match the pictures to your ingame pictures
candid sluice
there are images laid out there if u just wanna turn off your brain and look at it
its literally a picture book
little bobcat
there are images laid out there if u just wanna turn off your brain and look at ...
i guess yea
but it's still EN
they'll find a way to make it complicated
candid sluice
if theyre gonna overcomplicate things then nothing is gonna help them
nocturne zephyr
Really liking this Seydlitz + FdG + Impero fleet so far. Very consistent
lusty hill
I think someone should make the guide into audiobook or youtube video if people too lazy to read
stable dawn
floral wave
bongo asmr pvp guide when
lusty hill
there's a reason why kimocheese is so respected among the newbies
little bobcat
we need the most thick european accent too
candid sluice
make alm do a review vid on it
stable dawn
a quick glance at the doc takes 30s. A 40+ minute video is ridiculous
candid sluice
real
little bobcat
a quick glance at the doc takes 30s. A 40+ minute video is ridiculous
tghat's why you put family guy clips under it
neon bronze
average length of alm video
candid sluice
id rather read it myself than sit thru an overly long video
lusty hill
hire someone with anime voice to make it bearable
stable dawn
how about we make a 2 second video showing every fleet and explanation as a single frame
have fun pausing
little bobcat
true
stable dawn
little bobcat
<:NepSmug:839635014324322395>
how do i improve this more btw
+13 drek gun?
and +13 anchorage auxes?
i'm looking to improve this more before i roll it out for a season
candid sluice
I’ll just make a video slowly scrolling through the entire guide with nothing added to it except royalty free background music
candid sluice
Or would you guys prefer a powerpoint presentation saved as a .mp4 file?
neon bronze
is there a better stat stick for her
fairy magic poster?
little bobcat
fairy magic poster?
maybe
wnt is more defensive
fmp is more offensive
and there's no point in being defensive with akaga
cuz they die after the first rotation lOl
neon bronze
did you guys even consider fairy magic poster as a viable equip before that korean guy came back here
little bobcat
i think fmp was kinda disregarded except for volga in w14
and then suddenly it became pretty cool for pvp
lusty hill
isn't it just SG sidegrade?
stable dawn
it's useful for triple BB
trail temple
He's coming for you bro
neon bronze
guilty feet have got no rhythm
uneven topaz
She has plot armor i guess
pseudo copper
Devs rigged it so that SaltyBelfast gets disadvantage in pvp
Had to get balanced bc of unfair advantage from better skills
lusty hill
his vanguard penetrated the backline and he still lose?
pseudo copper
his vanguard penetrated the backline and he still lose?
Rigged
lusty hill
dev should fix this
rustic bridge
his vanguard penetrated the backline and he still lose?
Yes in only miss Miss miss
candid sluice
saltybelfast is too op they had to nerf him
floral wave
and so it saltyseb
floral wave
kms claims him
neon bronze
something already stole that salty's braincells
trail temple
little bobcat
whens the last time you guys saw an enty miss lucky e
marsh sand
sweet relic
Been a while, cuz barely anyone uses her 
little bobcat
Been a while, cuz barely anyone uses her <a:nyanteehee:514422442706599937>
I've been seeing a lot of entys this season
cuz im bagging
tardy star
How big must the difference between rank be in order to get bonus (11 instead of 10)?
trail temple
How big must the difference between rank be in order to get bonus (11 instead of...
Rank is irrelevant. It's your rank score difference that matters
And you need a difference of 35
Just note that the difference to get higher values isn't linear
tardy star
Ok thank you
trail temple
neon bronze
whens the last time you guys saw an enty miss lucky e
Never
pseudo copper
Enty can proc?
ornate cosmos
Guys...is ibuki a maybe good "replacement"for shima..on pvp?
valid oxide
Get yourself Aya or noshiro or Harbin (or one of them + harbin for aggro)
ornate cosmos
Ohh ok
valid oxide
Aya 
if she lives
ornate cosmos
Well i have ayakai and noshi..ohh ok ill go harbin then
How about noshi + harbin..is that good
ornate cosmos
Uhh currently..im using juneau kai..ancho(fs5)..agir
Impla..yk2..fdg..
Any suggestions...or which to replace..i dunn have nj and shima..
valid oxide
Show dock
ornate cosmos
Hai brb
valid oxide
Pretty much your entire backline apart from fdg can go
valid oxide
Just a few moments
ornate cosmos
Its ok take ur time
stable dawn
No Musashi?
ornate cosmos
Nope im kinda new on azur so i painfully didnt have her
ornate cosmos
when in doubt check our the new players/budget comps section of the pvp doc
Will do..
stable dawn
valid oxide
I think this should work for an aggro comp, if you don't have the gear listed use the next best thing to said gear
Still unsure where pearl should go because I haven't done aggro before
If you don't have blacktorp then just use quad mags
Or cope for good luck with teatorps
Someone who is much better at PvP than me please correct me if I have made fatal error
ornate cosmos
Interesting..will try this later..im still maxing out my vv and aquila..
valid oxide
What goes in place of blacktorp if you don't have it then
ornate cosmos
Yup i dunn have the black torp
stable dawn
tbh might be better off just running quad mags + rainbow torp
or if your luck is insane, just teatorps with rainbow torp
valid oxide
I'll revise it to use non event limited/easier to obtain gear then
candid sluice
blacktorp is irreplaceable
ornate cosmos
Ohh
candid sluice
torp dump aint the same without it
u could cope with mags but it would be significantly weaker
candid sluice
playing the slot machine
valid oxide
No event limited gear now, should be a little easier. Again it probably has some fatal error so someone correct be if I'm wrong
stable dawn
wait where's your beaver badge
valid oxide
Shit I forgot about that
stable dawn
pseudo copper
wait where's your beaver badge
As the kms simps hath stated, speed is overrated and should run Agir and Roon to tank or follow gph advice of Eugen for pvp
valid oxide
Oh god did gph actually say Eugen for PvP
stable dawn
pseudo copper
Oh god did gph actually say Eugen for PvP
Some of them did come to pvp in past and suggest cb or Eugen yes
valid oxide
Someone in gph said azuma is significantly tankier than Eugen because she takes two shima torps to kill instead of one
Gph is something else
pseudo copper
Azuma at least was used in pvp like 3 years ago or smth, I think I have the ss
When IJN comps were meta
valid oxide
Was that pre-shima
pseudo copper
Pre mafia
valid oxide
Pre ancho PvP sounds bad
valid oxide
Why
stable dawn
the meta is so stale we've gone back to triple BB
pseudo copper
Would do agree?
Depends on what Manjuu decided to bring to table
valid oxide
Pr6 DR smoke CB with cl speed 
stable dawn
so that one day Sandy will be meta again
valid oxide
Isn't there a dude trying triple CV with nano akaga
stable dawn
that was probably Letan trolling
pseudo copper
It was
valid oxide
Does triple BB need to reset when enemy CVs aren't revealed and both vanguards died
stable dawn
yes but generally that's not supposed to happen
unless you were a weirdo who put manjuu on NJ instead of Anchorage
pseudo copper
Attacker bonus means you are meant to win vg fight esp considering you are using triple bb
valid oxide
I'll just use my cope fleet for now
candid sluice
At least nowadays fights take under 40secs to complete compared to ijn meta days
valid oxide
neon bronze
lusty hill
tf with that name
tranquil badge
I've seen worse 
ornate cosmos
@valid oxide thanks for this..will try this comp
zenith lantern
Does triple BB need to reset when enemy CVs aren't revealed and both vanguards d...
Depends how much damage your backline has taken. If the enemy CV is Aquila you'll usually kill her before she kills you, Shinano is 50:50, Hiryuu you lose so reset.
harsh knot
<:Worry_Think:852143821391003678>
Kaya schemes?
honest moon
Flapjacks> tigercats?
little bobcat
i ran them together
trail temple
How good is this thing?
Good for BBs, the effect is pretty useless since it's outside of BB firing
trail temple
also Vanguard or Warspite for a solo BB role?
Neither
worldly rock
we don't have jersey 
trail temple
Better off running Double or triple BB
tardy star
What’s the best shima substitute?
hollow walrus
What’s the best shima substitute?
Check the pins. It has substitutes for Shima
pseudo copper
None if you are Letan or Serenity
neon bronze
trail temple
You'll love the minuses
neon bronze
i'm probably tempting fate atm 
trail temple
Nah, you'd need to be almost at 40 last set
lusty hill
None if you are Letan or Serenity
little bobcat
None if you are Letan or Serenity
shima OP
valid oxide
What has +13 prio between tenrai and wyvern?
pseudo copper
What has +13 prio between tenrai and wyvern?
Wyvern
valid oxide
So just save my gold parts until I have wyvern yes?
pseudo copper
uncut agate
use triple BB and you won't have to waste plates on wyvern 🧠
pseudo copper
Triple BB in Lil Enty
neon bronze
what would be 3 BB in lil enty server be? 
candid sluice
new jersey musashi vanguard
lusty hill
why is that even a sticker lol
neon bronze
because there are people like me who are salty they missed her
candid sluice
njless and shimaless minorities are very vocal about their shortcomings
neon bronze
at least the former can cope with the best fleet 🙂
candid sluice
all triple bb use nj
neon bronze
all triple bb use nj
pre-3bb update, i mean 🥲
lusty hill
Nah njless people have multiple option to cope but not shimaless
No ayanami isn't a shima cope, she's a cope of a nonexistent shima cope
winged depot
neon bronze
fickle echo
neon bronze
yuudachi retro and kitakaze, which one is better for pvp? 😄
neither. Harbin, Noshiro, Yukikaze and Aya retro are basically your choices here
for torps
grim geode
I see, thanks.
stone wave
Another close call
little bobcat
why do u not reset earlier
to prevent these battles
you're clearly running a really flawed fleet if you have to reset vs that guy
neon bronze
PM ME UR FEET
stable dawn
sudden spoke
PM ME UR FEET
pseudo copper
Struggling against Creed 
neon bronze
lusty hill
I was at 33 point difference with my opponent why I don't get bonus
lusty hill
wtf I thought it's 32 
neon bronze
Eating unripe mangoes smh
stable dawn
neon bronze
Go eat ripened, yellow mangoes
lusty hill
people should moved the correct amount for other people to get bonus
winged depot
big if true
neon bronze
That's why you take note of people who are at most 15 points below your own points, they will be bonus if they'll move their exercises
lusty hill
they should add a feature where we can play as the opponent so that they move the correct amount and to make sure not lose or get -1
stable dawn
what they should really add is the ability to challenge your friends outside of ladder so we can experiment with fleet comps properly
neon bronze
mystic salmon
There is bonus? I just randomly do pvp
neon bronze
Yes, it's how people gain and lose points
lone fjord
Ultra combo of Bataan and Akagi chan
valid oxide
Unless planes count as enemies sunk
lusty hill
122 planes seems a lot
lusty hill
Plane meta
valid oxide
Its low tier, what do you expect
candid sluice
u talk like u aint in low tier yourself 
valid oxide
I'm only in low tier because I gave up after losing 7 of my attempts to sleep and subsequent maint
valid oxide
So far I've learned that I will forever have bootleg fleets
lusty hill
what's your fleet look like
neon bronze
Not until July in the latest
and you can get New Jersey
then there's the unknown variable: the 2023 CN Anni UR (if there's one)
valid oxide
CN Anni will bring shima replacement 
pseudo copper
CN Anni will bring shima replacement <:Boisium:1024085529362436156>
Hi Serenity
lusty hill
I doubt there will ever be shima replacement until the actual shima rerun
any rainbow vanguard will be a tank
even if they do release shima replacement people will use both shima and the new shima
people without shima would still be at disadvantage
neon bronze
winged depot
candid sluice
attack the refresh button
stable dawn
valid oxide
I need Ur gears
You don't need UR gears you need to oath Plymouth
neon bronze
valid oxide
lusty hill
rustic bridge
Why she
carmine relic
theres a chance to get her?
carmine relic
yes Plymouth
pseudo copper
She's DR 
pseudo copper
No Rings
You can do it same way I do it, use someone else's money or organs to buy rings 
rustic bridge
You can do it same way I do it, use someone else's money or organs to buy rings ...
50% are my Organs are in die
hollow walrus
yes Plymouth
you can get her any time since she's permanent
just have to unlock her in shipyard
carmine relic
you can get her any time since she's permanent
ahh ty
pseudo copper
50% are my Organs are in die
Why you use someone else's
trail temple
50% are my Organs are in die
It's only a flesh wound
autumn quest
I finished farming the kicks do i put on ancho alongside the zombie aux ?
The beaver is on agir and i cba to switch everytime
valid oxide
@knotty kindle post dock 
knotty kindle
I can't rn, will do once I have break
timber loom
is this fleet ok?
I have them timed to fire at 16 sec
veneto has the triple 460 mm
(these 3 are the best BBs I have)
valid oxide
Show dock
timber loom
as I said, none of the other BBs I have are really that good
also yes that's all my BBs
valid oxide
Not just BBs, I meant your entire dock (preferably split into frontline and backline ships)
neon bronze
is this fleet ok?
I have them timed to fire at 16 sec
veneto has the triple 460 ...
Do you have Aquila, at least?
knotty kindle
<@433983165812441088> post dock <:Omegalilwoo:588629705062875136>
My pvp fleet, is it good?
mystic salmon
Use teatorps but shima fine torp, fdg use table and washing machine,ancho use kicks and manjuu, juneau double boiler, shima blacktorp and pt, sushi swap white shell for beaver, aquilla use 100/150 avi fuel and washing machine
Also do you happen to have hiruyuu or shinano by any chance?
knotty kindle
Also do you happen to have hiruyuu or shinano by any chance?
I have both, I used Shinaryū-Gato be4
I also don't have Nj so I can't run M.A.N
mystic salmon
Swapping fdg and aquilla for hiruyuu Kai and shinano is a better team, up to you
knotty kindle
Swapping fdg and aquilla for hiruyuu Kai and shinano is a better team, up to you
Personally, I disagree
valid oxide
If you are dead set on running the team you have now this should work
Use closest equivalent to gear you don't have
If you have Kursk gun you can use that instead of chesh gun
mystic salmon
Where drake gun
valid oxide
I'm trying to make it somewhat easy to make
Esp since they weren't using drake gun in the first place
mystic salmon
Understandable
knotty kindle
workin on it
valid oxide
I assume they don't have it and if they do then they can use it
velvet geode
If you are dead set on running the team you have now this should work
where did you go to make this graphic
valid oxide
Azur lane fleet tool 
knotty kindle
how u get ck?
knotty kindle
cosmic kicks
valid oxide
Farm them
knotty kindle
Just found out that I had mine on bel
valid oxide
They are from passionate Polaris warchive
If you are an old enough player you might have had them from original event though
valid oxide
Just use hellcat until flapjack
knotty kindle
ok it's gonna be a while, I don't do opsi
valid oxide
Unless you have another 2x1000lb bomber
mystic salmon
valid oxide
ok it's gonna be a while, I don't do opsi
You should probably do it
knotty kindle
also sub for Washington's report and the secondary guns on the mommies?
knotty kindle
You should probably do it
will do it once I'm don with w14
valid oxide
https://x94fujo6rpg.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/?AFLD=No4RgTggGBmaA0AmWYmIKywCyJgNnQ...
Hiryuu can run flapjack tenrai, you want WNT on flagship, also just stick magtorps on Juneau
lusty hill
If you are dead set on running the team you have now this should work
cosmic kick better than washing machine?
valid oxide
Its speed stat
lusty hill
I'v been doing it all wrong then
valid oxide
Hiryuu can run flapjack tenrai, you want WNT on flagship, also just stick magtor...
And if Juneau dies too late/too early switch to gyro/torp bulge
valid oxide
also sub for Washington's report and the secondary guns on the mommies?
Sg radar/fairy magic poster sub for wnt, just use the pr5 DD gun until you have twin 137mm
mystic salmon
Hiryuu can run flapjack tenrai, you want WNT on flagship, also just stick magtor...
Flapjack necessary
So replace all suiseis by tenrais
valid oxide
No, only hiryuu
knotty kindle
the 114 mk4?
valid oxide
No, twin 130mm from pr5
knotty kindle
ok I kan make... 1
valid oxide
Flapjack necessary <:PortDoll:585585241142591535>
So replace all suiseis by ten...
Nano too slow for double wyvern tenrai, hiryuu fast enough though, and yes flapjack is necessary it has more crash damage and AA
valid oxide
ok I kan make... 1
Use Seattle gun for whichever BB isn't using twin 130mm
mystic salmon
So now I have to +13 a flapjack
knotty kindle
Use Seattle gun for whichever BB isn't using twin 130mm
seattle gun?
valid oxide
Just pick random, who the secondaries are on doesn't matter much
autumn quest
Only the pr in pr4 got a fs5 , right ?
knotty kindle
yes
knotty kindle
Just pick random, who the secondaries are on doesn't matter much
just a question, Y would I wanna use an he main gun on Musashi?
knotty kindle
good argument, I still don't know if Musashi is a Barrage dps or a true dps? I do know that FdG is a gun bb
valid oxide
Musashi has amazing guns, it's just that her barrage is even better
knotty kindle
also, cmiiw but nj is a barrage bb
valid oxide
NJ wants 457 anyway
knotty kindle
Musashi has amazing guns, it's just that her barrage is even better
so barrage
valid oxide
Musashi guns are just a Lil worse than fdg guns before fdg abilities
knotty kindle
NJ wants 457 anyway
whoo boi, looks like I would have to get another georgia gun
10k crit on medium armor...
seems about ➡️
valid oxide
Musashi barrage does the same damage to heavy medium and light iirc, her initial slash has worse light mods though
Musashi just too good
Beth
knotty kindle
U r talking to a professional Musashi ranter... Ik how broken she is. Just imagine how op she would be if she had the flutter effect
neon bronze
Personally, I disagree
i agree with aiger's statement
knotty kindle
Musashi just too good
ban the thicc fox mama
valid oxide
i agree with aiger's statement
That wasn't me 
knotty kindle
ok I use ap on große so guess I'm fine with he on Susanō. like if 90 on heavy armor matters when u have 500 fp anw
rlly need to get her to 200 affinity now
valid oxide
Imagine not already 200aff
knotty kindle
Imagine not already 200aff <:BuckyPrideZoom:911042553221107714>
I only use her in boss so I get aff really slow, she's currently chillin on 193
neon bronze
this is how i imagine shima-less Meeb, Aya retro variant
knotty kindle
this is how i imagine shima-less Meeb, Aya retro variant
y wyvern and not ryūsei?
valid oxide
I have to run bootleg Stepmom because I have no good ships other than sushi/fdg
I run copespite as a backline filler
neon bronze
y wyvern and not ryūsei?
even the slowest of frontline ships will have their epic WoWs torpbeat moments
knotty kindle
I have to run bootleg Stepmom because I have no good ships other than sushi/fdg
bootleg stepmom?
neon bronze
this is how i imagine shima-less Meeb, Aya retro variant
harbin variant
knotty kindle
I don't have harb
neon bronze
oops, harbin's aa gun isn't +13
knotty kindle
is ffnf Jesus worth it?
neon bronze
I don't have harb
she's available in pr5, permanent content. but Ayanami can do as cope option
neon bronze
is ffnf Jesus worth it?
ffnf jesus?
valid oxide
This but with corgi and FdG instead of NJ and vang
knotty kindle
Ik she isn't as strong as Ägir or Azuma but she still dr
neon bronze
Ik she isn't as strong as Ägir or Azuma but she still dr
ah, brest? nada.
valid oxide
Brest? All CBs 
in pvp
knotty kindle
This but with corgi and FdG instead of NJ and vang
I use FdG instead if Nj
neon bronze
should still work fine ig
knotty kindle
Brest? All CBs <:put:1064942650832207882> in pvp
except for Ägir, not bis but still really strong
neon bronze
Brest? All CBs <:put:1064942650832207882> in pvp
there's a niche usage for Aegir in certain pvp fleets though, which is in Seydlitz fleets
valid oxide
Is fdg useable fs3
neon bronze
Is fdg useable fs3
fs3+, yes.
valid oxide
(I'll be keeping her flag anyway)
knotty kindle
ah, brest? nada.
If u think about it Brest is literally jesus (the Iris religion is basically Christianity and Brest is the deiety that they worship meaning that Brest is basically the Al-verse's counterpart to jesus)
knotty kindle
Is fdg useable fs3
yes tho it's at 5 she dethrones nj (imo)'
winged depot
no she doesn't
neon bronze
nope, she's copium at best
winged depot
nj still better
neon bronze
knotty kindle
another question, would Musashi be better or worse if she had the flutter effect in pvp?
knotty kindle
nj still better
not mutch tho, anw fdg is still the no1 sub 4 nj
winged depot
i'd like the smoke you're coping if you really think that she is
neon bronze
where's the copium stash
knotty kindle
somewhere
neon bronze
90%~ purity?
knotty kindle
a middle finger to crash dmg but being the main target. Would it be better or worse?
knotty kindle
My NJ sub is copespite
Warspite is only good with a prld cv
valid oxide
Triple BB comps are a thing now
knotty kindle
Fdg is still a better sub 4 nj tho...
valid oxide
Except when I'm also running fdg
knotty kindle
Just wait untill Ol' mama Yama turns the meta upside down
neon bronze
knotty kindle
Except when I'm also running fdg
u don't have vanguard?
knotty kindle
guess u'r better of using Aquila or shinano...
valid oxide
Because I totally have Aquila and Shinano
knotty kindle
Because I totally have Aquila and Shinano <:BuckyPrideZoom:911042553221107714>
I hear irony
valid oxide
I started around ssss gridman but I took a long ish break and missed nano rerun
I came back around Roma event (I think?)
Then musashi happened and I got her on my second pull
knotty kindle
ooof, that sucks. I restarted when winter's crown got added to wa but I started in early oct 2019
knotty kindle
Then musashi happened and I got her on my second pull <:UniFlex:4905127755760271...
well done
valid oxide
Do you happen to have seydlitz
valid oxide
Just run mk ultra then
knotty kindle
soo, what do u think about my concept for Ol' mama Yama?
valid oxide
Check the Google doc in the pins it's in t0
knotty kindle
which one?
valid oxide
The very top Google doc
knotty kindle
just found it, Just wanna know what u think of my Yama concept?
Is nj really a milf tho?
valid oxide
825kg 
knotty kindle
?
valid oxide
Is nj really a milf tho?
I don't know I don't have her
knotty kindle
825kg <:AkagiYan:611004132152836119>
with tails yes and 2,85 m tall. that's a big mommy
candid sluice
💀
neon bronze
letting this conversation cook .
knotty kindle
I don't know I don't have her <:BuckyPrideZoom:911042553221107714>
As a self proclaimed milf expert I wouldn't call her milf. She may hav a weddingcake of a booty but she neither fits the bill in personallity nor age. There's no way in heaven hell or purgatory that a 19yo woyld be milf
valid oxide
letting this conversation cook <a:CatPopcorn:1096658673989845022> .
They were running bootleg Yakuza when they could've been running mk ultra 
valid oxide
As a self proclaimed milf expert I wouldn't call her milf. She may hav a wedding...
The lore nerds said NJ is 7
And enty is 14
candid sluice
maybe they were working on that fleet before we uptiered triple bb to t0
valid oxide
Technically fdg would be younger than NJ 
knotty kindle
valid oxide
825kg wife is 
knotty kindle
Technically fdg would be younger than NJ <:BuckySmug:468866539886739465>
character age=/= historical age
knotty kindle
825kg wife is <:Blessex:753375684126310451>
what do u think about her stat's and skills? I purposefully made her so broken that she makes Nj, FdG and Musashi look like Bot tiers
valid oxide
a lil excessive
knotty kindle
did my statement fit?
I also made one for Nagato retro https://aminoapps.com/c/azur_lane_amino/page/blog/nagato-retrofit-concept/EGRd_3pIPu5Lg8mW0KazdPloL6RPPpLB2MFG
knotty kindle
825kg wife is <:Blessex:753375684126310451>
*mom
stable dawn
valid oxide
Kicks
tardy star
What score do you guys have rn 
?
candid sluice
0
lusty hill
27k 
neon bronze
What score do you guys have rn <:Medal:585585236054769668> ?
I overcapped, so zero
little bobcat
I overcapped, so zero
L
i've had 8 overcaps this season
and 1 lost fight
2530 pace 
lusty hill
+13
rare umbra
i've had 8 overcaps this season
what's overcap? sorry I'm new to this game hehe
warm crow
what's overcap? sorry I'm new to this game hehe
you have 10 maximum attempts at a time, every day you restock 5 attempts thrice. So every restock where you dont go at least 5/10 means you lose those attempts. e.g. if youre at 6/10 when restock happens, you will lose that extra attempt since you will have 10/10 after restock
rare umbra
ohhhhh
winged depot
amagi player 
harsh knot
+13 <:MutsukiHyperStare:588629678017871872>
Kinda weird you beat no one though 
sturdy kraken
finally hit aotn (for only a brief moment)
tardy star
nice
sturdy kraken
it was with a non meta fleet too 
tardy star
Whats like the average score you need for eos top 10?
candid sluice
congrats
sturdy kraken
might be a top 50 eos... but not a top 10
candid sluice
depends on the server but its around 2590 above
pseudo copper
Whats like the average score you need for eos top 10?
As low as 2570 as high as 2590 smth
Oh yeah Lil Enty is like 2500
2492 last season with 1st in 2520s
trail temple
Sandy can get buy with 2560s
stable dawn
sturdy kraken
I was rank 1
nice
arctic ermine
Is there a reward for finishing the season at a certain rank? (Not the one-time reach a rank reward)
lusty hill
for the glory
neon bronze
for the score
stable dawn
for the memes
little bobcat
Is there a reward for finishing the season at a certain rank? (Not the one-time ...
EOS aka End of Season
which is the score you end up with at the final reset after using all your attempts
this is an ego boost 97% of the time, the other 3% being the rare case deathkt does something like a tournament
if you wanna get into actually pvping tho u usually just go for eos more than anything
candid sluice
or you could skip the eos part but keep the ego like a lot of people
little bobcat
eos is a good motivator too
it's not very hard to get a pretty decent eos even if you overcap or lose fights
but in my experience i also play on lexington hwich is like
2nd most dead server for pvp
3rd*
stable dawn
EoS is easy. Just don't miss any attempts and don't eat too many negative bonuses.
little bobcat
^^^
i dont think even t10 needs that much optimization for bonuses
depending on server
for lexington its literlaly just complete a season correctly
for amagi its prob insane though
stable dawn
nah amagi is just as dead
little bobcat
oh lmao
stable dawn
have you seen sandy's EoS scoreline
little bobcat
no
little bobcat
is lexington somehow the most alive server rn
little bobcat
all servers will eventually turn into Sandy
little e is worse than sandy rn
stable dawn
tbf it is young
little bobcat
true
neon bronze
new server and all
little bobcat
butyou should see ari and aldarn's season
they're constantly eating 8s and 9s
literally top 5 with 6 attempts left
neon bronze
just wwait until new souls become food in lil e
stable dawn
is lexington somehow the most alive server rn
no, avrora is still a mile ahead if we go by T10 cutoff, but their top players don't try anymore
little bobcat
oh right avrora exists
little bobcat
idk
little bobcat
my brain is hyperfocused on lexington and amagi
winged depot
Amagi is like the same 20 ppl 
stable dawn
Amagi is like the same 20 ppl <:HakuShrug:964071084968271873>
15 of which overcap each season, leaving 5 actual pvpers
uncut agate
around 1/3 to 1/2 of all players are on Avrora
that's not true, envy did an estimate of player population like 2 years ago and avrora was about 1/4th of total players i think
winged depot
15 of which overcap each season, leaving 5 actual pvpers
Basically
stable dawn
oh man this is an ancient chart
little bobcat
i should use a competent fleet next season so i can t10 eos with no shima
cheating
uncut agate
eos
winged depot
Get rank 1 
neon bronze
good luck letan
winged depot
without shima and nj
little bobcat
Get rank 1 <a:OkayChamping:772911131604942859>
i doubt I could
stable dawn
just sleep
little bobcat
too much bagging
stable dawn
sleep is the key to EoS
little bobcat
id have to get a lot of mover luck lexingtonbad
stable dawn
if you lose sleep over pvp, you're playing wrong
neon bronze
bag 2, rush 1. sleep on the set that you'll rush on
winged depot
True
neon bronze
if you lose sleep over pvp, you're playing wrong
little bobcat
bag 2, rush 1. sleep on the set that you'll rush on
I don't sleep very much so i bag as much as i can every set
stable dawn
Wake up 30 mins before reset
the real trick is to drink enough water to wake yourself up before reset
winged depot
the real trick is to drink enough water to wake yourself up before reset
why you know my activity
stable dawn
I live under your bed
winged depot
stalker 
stable dawn
neon bronze
flat veldt
the real trick is to drink enough water to wake yourself up before reset
Can confirm this trick works
Source: also live under Veston's bed
lusty hill
You people schedule sleep time just for eos
candid sluice
no i schedule eos around my sleep time
lusty hill
You only slept for 6 hours
I'm actually curious how is the pvp strategy for people who have jobs
like you guys pvp at work or how
stable dawn
5 minute bathroom break is all you need
candid sluice
i just do it on the shitter
lusty hill
I'll use that trick when I get a job 
stable dawn
lusty hill
I imagine pvper goes to bathroom break ever 30 minutes just to check if someone moved lol
arctic ermine
EOS aka End of Season
which is the score you end up with at the final reset afte...
Ok thanks for the explanation. I was wondering why people had such tryhard defenses when everyone can have fodder defenses and let everyone have a chance at hitting AOTN reward once per season
pseudo copper
Ok thanks for the explanation. I was wondering why people had such tryhard defen...
Tryhard def doesn't really matter for eos, just bag better unless you really wanna cuck other baggers(which is uncommon). Most run it bc they just wanna troll people that don't run proper attack fleets 
little bobcat
Ok thanks for the explanation. I was wondering why people had such tryhard defen...
defenses don't matter, some people just like to see you suffer
hiryuu / royal oak / seydlitz + anchorage / l'indomptable / leipzig
candid sluice
whats the fun in steamrolling easy fleets
arctic ermine
defenses don't matter, some people just like to see you suffer
Yeah, i figured as much. And they can't even see the people their defense beats so it's like just being a bully for the sake of it, i guess.
little bobcat
Yeah, i figured as much. And they can't even see the people their defense beats ...
yep
restive glade
<:NurnNom:1023947331344793620> New pvp fleet ready
Soon you will meet the nightmare of Juneau that heals up to full Anchorage with New Jersey with elite damage control
little bobcat
manjuu nj is bad
rustic bridge
Soon you will meet the nightmare of Juneau that heals up to full Anchorage with ...
My nightmare is enterprise
autumn quest
Mine is not seeing duke in the merit shop
I've been looking for her for 1 month or so
I keep getting the same ships
lusty hill
<:NurnNom:1023947331344793620> New pvp fleet ready
I love kiev
mystic salmon
Does a sniper team still work or killed by sushi?
mystic salmon
Admiral of the navyyyyh!
sturdy kraken
for 15 seconds 
sturdy kraken
Admiral of the navyyyyh!
nice
mystic salmon
But I get the rewards and now its my highest rank on my acc, a perma flex
candid sluice
congrats
fickle echo
Accidental AotN
neon bronze
winged depot
stable dawn
rustic bridge
i Hope Here Gear is good
lusty hill
rudder
valid oxide
Does a sniper team still work or killed by sushi?
Sniper team?
neon bronze
Sniper team?
read pins, scroll down
time to learn about UNULTRA
hollow walrus
Checking pins and for the budget section why is Seattle there as well? I get FdG and Anchorage for the PR section but not Seattle
neon bronze
i remember reading about a well-built Seattle surviving a good while in mafia meta, before anchorage came along
don't know the rest of the details, sadly. i'm just some player who came along the advent of musashi
valid oxide
Doesn't Seattle get a damage reduction?
Yeah she has 15% DMG red when off-tank, coupled with her pretty chunky base survivability
neon bronze
add the 20% dmg reduction for CLs as part of PvP mechanics, and yeah
rustic bridge
rudder <:MutsukiHyperStare:588629678017871872>
No Ruder of here
candid sluice
she was used widely when nj first came out they paired nicely together
she had good aa and survivability with respectable surface dmg
made for a good offtank
mystic salmon
Sniper team?
The team that uses warkai to snipe enemy backline
mystic salmon
Is the team warkai, sushi, vanguard now?
valid oxide
Idk
I use sushi warkai fdg
Sushi slash and warkai barrage against the one I want to snipe
mystic salmon
The team uses warkai mark from skill to make the hit target the rn ships highest prio
Or is the prio for all ships?
valid oxide
QEM can do that do that too now
valid oxide
Or is the prio for all ships?
Only HMS
valid oxide
QEM gives HMS/META prio to ships she hits with her barrage
mystic salmon
Didn't know that
rustic bridge
Fuck you enty
hardy jacinth
?_?
rustic bridge
Have lose
valid oxide
rustic bridge
valid oxide
And oath plymouth
It solves all of your problems
valid oxide
Rejoice yourself 
rustic bridge
I need Single Ur gears
10 | 10 lose all Fights on Enterprise
Self in a.lv 10 enty where i lose
valid oxide
Why not just use enty yourself
rustic bridge
Enty is unfair
neon bronze
rustic bridge
i need First gears
lusty hill
Dude have enty skin but never raised enty
hollow walrus
Isn't that skin from cruise pass
rustic bridge
Dude have enty skin but never raised enty
hollow walrus
What
neon bronze
read your about me
hollow walrus
oh lmao I forgot that I've had that for a month now
grim solar
Thoughts on this exercise comp?
pseudo copper
Thoughts on this exercise comp?
🚮
Ancho tank and Juneau offtank, Uni shouldn't be there
grim solar
But why not? 
For the record I'm using Unicorn cuz I refuse to use Aquila out of spite.
I've lost so many times against the Aquila-Vitto-NJ comp that I refuse to use it, out of sheer spite.
uncut agate
Shinano, Hiryuu, Vanguard, FdG fs5, UvH, even Warspite retrofit is better than Uni
steady egret
Other than the lvl of the ships, am i on the right track?
grim solar
Shinano, Hiryuu, Vanguard, FdG fs5, UvH, even Warspite retrofit is better than U...
But again, I ask why?
pseudo copper
Other than the lvl of the ships, am i on the right track?
Haku isn't good for pvp, Agir is useless
pseudo copper
But again, I ask why? <:hmmm:680618274320547889>
Uni so bad she can't even spot enemy backline with preload
uncut agate
Uni preload is very weak
pseudo copper
Let alone do anything more
stable dawn
smh you literally have the right ships for meta pvp
just refuse to use anchorage out of spite bro
she's the reason the meta is so cancerous
grim solar
Again, spite. I have Vitto and Aquila and yeah, I can use them.
But I've lost so much against those two that everytime I do use them, I feel disgusted with myself.
pseudo copper
Mafia isn't even good anymore, and neither of them are meta rn unless doing speed meme
Fluffs already gave you options
fickle echo
Aquila doesn't do much anymore and Veneto doesn't do anything now
pseudo copper
Usually you are better off MSN imo
grim solar
Guessing Anchorage and Juneau Kai brought them down.
So what exactly is the meta now then?
steady egret
This better?
pseudo copper
Check pins, all the comps in there
fickle echo
Guessing Anchorage and Juneau Kai brought them down.
Musashi can laugh at their damage and kill both at the same time
pseudo copper
This better?
CB are all shit, Sushi flag, ideally you don't use Vanguard, so depending on options you have can make different comps
fickle echo
Even FDG FateSim can tank most of mafia damage too
grim solar
Sorry I'm stupid, what is mafia?
pseudo copper
Aquila, VV, NJ
fickle echo
grim solar
Ah so that's the name of that godforsaken comp.
pseudo copper
It wasn't that difficult to beat back then
Attacker advantage + good gear with decent comp can do it
Current comps are harder to beat if running suboptimal imo
steady egret
Ok, guess I'll go with this, so that just leaves me with working for faster reload I'm guessing
zenith lantern
Anchorage is the only ship keeping the cancer at bay
steady egret
Either that or i must spend 4 hours studying the meta in the backrooms
grim solar
Is there a general strategy to PVP that can be used as a template?
(Sorry I can't view the guide right now for reasons.)
fickle echo
Ok, guess I'll go with this, so that just leaves me with working for faster relo...
You need at least one torpedo ship on your vanguard otherwise they'll all die at the start meanwhile the enemy vanguard won't take any damage
zenith lantern
The real problems are the backline and Shima. Remove Anchorage and enjoy your 10 second fights
steady egret
You need at least one torpedo ship on your vanguard otherwise they'll all die at...
So Helena, Helena meta or poi in a nutshell
pseudo copper
Kron does fuck all as I said earlier, all CB shit in pvp
pseudo copper
So Helena, Helena meta or poi in a nutshell
Helena has torps 
pseudo copper
Just follow the pins or post dock
fickle echo
So Helena, Helena meta or poi in a nutshell
No, Noshiro/Ayanami/Harbin/Duca assuming you don't have Shima any other ships doesn't do any damage against most pvp ships
pseudo copper
Will be a lot easier and faaster
floral wave
takes 20 seconds to look at few comps in doc and to figure what type of ship can fill that last spot
floral wave
Is there a general strategy to PVP that can be used as a template?
(Sorry I can'...
general strategy would be to stop using "out of spite" as a reason to run suboptimal units when you're not fully sure what you're doing
grim solar
I mean I have a reason as to why I'm running this comp. 
Well aware by now that it's suboptimal but I have my reasons.
fickle echo
floral wave
yeah but since youre asking you apparently have no idea how to make it work, would be wise to drop the ego and run one of those mentioned by fluffs iirc
grim solar
I know I know and I'll look at the docu when I can.
floral wave
or just keep using it and be like gph "muh kms faction fleet" people but dont expect to see results
fickle echo
I hated NJ back then but at some point I just started to use fleets that could kill her before she could do anything, problem solved, now I don't care anymore
light crystal
Fcking hell man, I thought it was still the second week
warm dagger
did we have any non-⚓ comp that could counter ⚓?
grim solar
or just keep using it and be like gph "muh kms faction fleet" people but dont ex...
I mean I can still use it. This comp got me to Top 100 so it's served me well.
fickle echo
Aoste still alive
tacit owl
I hated NJ back then but at some point I just started to use fleets that could k...
Sounds like me
warm dagger
🧎
fickle echo
floral wave
ari baiting
fickle echo
fickle echo
ari baiting
It's not a bait, I used Avrora instead of Ancho for an entire season
floral wave
yeah you have a tendency of using 3 ships instead of full fleet and winning aswell, which would still be a bait for 99.99% of al population
fickle echo
Bongo is salty
fickle echo
rustic bridge
Rng say 0 wins for me
fickle echo
Seydlitz is the new Enty
grim solar
How's this? Based it off the document after reading it.
hollow walrus
didn't the document said that a more aggressive vanguard is recommended for triple BB?
fickle echo
How's this? Based it off the document after reading it.
Don't use triple BB with Juneau and off flag Musashi, you'll just lose kills on the enemy vanguard and their carriers will stay hidden forever
grim solar
So Musashi should be the flagship and Juneau should be replaced with Harbin then? Since that's the very top comp in the docu.
fickle echo
Yes, only use Juneau if you're using Shinano/Hiryuu instead of 3BB
fickle echo
And Musashi being flag makes her barrage do more damage against the enemy vanguard
grim solar
Thanks. 
rustic bridge
17 k Back Line
grim solar
Is that bad? 
hollow walrus
Is that bad? <:NAILS:1073233920482611282>
Ignore Salty
grim solar
lusty hill
these extremely strong player intentionally put themselves on low rank to bully salty belfast
fickle echo
candid sluice
hes a special boy
neon bronze
i admire his effort
coral wren
anyone have a pvp fleet for chkalov?
little bobcat
anyone have a pvp fleet for chkalov?
chkalov isn't great in pvp
DBs aren't really highly desired
if she was double TB she could maybe be considered, but cvs as a whole rn just aren't really insane
valid oxide
if she was double TB she could maybe be considered, but cvs as a whole rn just a...
She has the same amount of DBs as TBs but other than that I agree
dawn jacinth
Enty is always last left
sturdy kraken
seems like I have ended up with people that don't wanna pvp
but I want the extra points
little bobcat
She has the same amount of DBs as TBs but other than that I agree
i forgot about that
her tbs just kinda suck then
and iirc she isn't even tanky enough is she
hollow walrus
isn't she 4x155 TBs
valid oxide
4 155 TBs with extra heavy mod
neon bronze
3 BB is kinda inconsistent playing against in defense, but still doable
tawny parcel
lusty hill
why do I always get people who don't care about pvp
autumn quest
You get almost nothing useful after all
mystic salmon
God knows when will I need to buy 20 bulins at once
mystic salmon
I can refresh with gems
mystic salmon
:MutsukiEvil:
delicate egret
passive vanguard comp for 3 bbs 
still coping with plymouth until shima rerun, when is that supposed to be? feels like it’s been ages
also how do you consistently get those extra rank points
sitting at 432 atm and t1 is 447
hollow walrus
also how do you consistently get those extra rank points
Bagging
delicate egret
spend all my refreshes and only get ~100 spots diff far left
floral wave
cope with ayanami/harbin instead of ply
valid oxide
Aya/harb are better torpers, plybuffs aren't worth
(also just run both of them in an aggro vanguard )
delicate egret
“akshully I use her cause I want to 
”
teatorps or 610mm? no rainbow for the same reason I missed shima 
floral wave
never 610, either teatorps or mag
and blacktorp if teatorps
that is if you have it
delicate egret
Also where is pearl <:Ehhssex:611004140046254080>
on juneau
black dildo is from noctis, right? is that event archived yet
well I cba to do opsi so I just made another teatorp for now
thanks all 
steel coral
give her a ring, she deserves it
Give her blu-ray 
winged depot
P2w 
neon bronze
steel coral
never 610, either teatorps or mag
610 is fine on aya if you have blacktorp
little bobcat
and blacktorp if teatorps
imagine not using teatorps without blacktorp
backline sniper
little bobcat
black dildo is from noctis, right? is that event archived yet <:PortDoll:5855852...
no, soon
steel coral
steel coral
swap that second aux
what's wrong with it 
oh I get it, it's because it is not +11
I gotchu
candid sluice
we are planning to update the sheets with new budget options including blacktorp and perseus since the archive is upcoming
lusty hill
perseus
fickle echo
Budget options=Lil Enty options? 
stable dawn
percy is good
little bobcat
perseus is not good
actually
sinc3e she's double preload
she might have a single niche
neon bronze
percy either good or bad
little bobcat
she might be able to reveal herself AND the enemy
and then get herself killed in the process
therefore letting your other backlines live longer
fickle echo
little bobcat
she's juneau v2
candid sluice
have you not seen the multitude of perseus videos sent here
candid sluice
shes obviously not the best option thats why shes going on the budget list
for newer players the double preload is pretty big
little bobcat
i guess