pvp

[candid sluice]

might be good if going against triple bb or some other meme but otherwise why use it

[trail temple]

Manjuu NJ being better in clutch? Not at all. Most of the time it procs when you're unable to fire, much like the Enty scenario. The one thing she has over enty is being able to use her secondaries on the opposing vanguard, but by that stage you've probably lost. Especially if that person uses Manjuu Anchorage

[pseudo copper]

Smh, NoobAsian the cheater spreading misinfo

[trail temple]

Haven't been on the wall of shame since the allegations, all lies and slander

💀

[stable dawn]

are you a manjuu NJ believer too???

[zenith lantern]

Manjuu NJ good but I'm too tired to argue

[stable dawn]

Gunless manjuu NJ tech

[trail temple]

No gun NJ is BiS, but that's top secret tech

[stable dawn]

almost as secret as gunless UvH

[zenith lantern]

No gun NJ is decent but, no gun preload-BB is better

[trail temple]

[fickle echo]

Maybe the real preload is the friends we made along the way

[candid sluice]

yall not ready for planeless tech

[zenith lantern]

It's supposed to be a secret but the way you turn the MK fleet into MK Ultra is unequip all the guns

[valid oxide]

I fell asleep and lost like 3 attempts

[stable dawn]

is that the secret uNUltra fleet???

[zenith lantern]

It doesn't matter where your manjuu goes, sleep is the true wall.

[fickle echo]

The true meta is using a manjuuless fleet whenever a new ship releases so people wanting to test it will accidentally win and get less points

[stable dawn]

sounds like manjuu NJ propaganda to me

[fickle echo]

I can't use Manjuu NJ because I have no NJ

[pseudo copper]

No

I just believe in Rikuo

[stable dawn]

Sus.

[pseudo copper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745143627608752179/1037874161915269181/Screenshot_20221104-074100_Discord.jpg

[trail temple]

I am on Avrora though

[fickle echo]

Cheating on a dead server smh

[pseudo copper]

Guilty till proven innocent

You are a cheater on my books Andy

[stable dawn]

then you are guilty of cheating on everyone

[pseudo copper]

I do rig my own tourneys so yes

@lament sand

[trail temple]

More than welcome to ping a mod and get them to verify whether those guys claims are true

[pseudo copper]

Mods are in on it too

[fickle echo]

[pseudo copper]

I trust Romancer more than you

[trail temple]

You make it too obvious you're shitposting

[pseudo copper]

Gotta make it so

I got warned bc I don't before

[stable dawn]

[lament sand]

Nah, I can atest there’s been no rigging at all, we would never do that

[pseudo copper]

We just have superior gaming chairs

[lament sand]

That’s right

[neon bronze]

good morning what did i miss

[pseudo copper]

Some fella by name of Beth just bought a boat ticket

[neon bronze]

ooh, where he going?

[pseudo copper]

Overcap town

[neon bronze]

Real

[fickle echo]

Where is it? Is it too far from EoS town?

[neon bronze]

On the way, I believe. But too far out

[pseudo copper]

Between EoS town and seamen town

[trail temple]

I prefer Retirement Village

[stable dawn]

That's not a village

it's a ranch

[topaz citrus]

EoS?

[winged depot]

End of season

[stable mirage]

Ehm i am kinda new to pvp and i looked at the pvp file, and the combinations, dont realy had the ships to fully recreate the combos, so i tried something out, is this acceptable?

[keen juniper]

Yeah, except the Lvl

[stable mirage]

yeah

i am on lvl them

havent used them before so they kinda low lvl

which skills of the two italines should i lvl first?

[stable dawn]

Aquila for sure

VV you can replace with NJ once she reruns soon

[stable mirage]

Uhh nice

[keen juniper]

and try to get Anchorage

[stable mirage]

is on my list

behind azuma and like 5 others

[whole salmon]

Who are those 5 others

[stable mirage]

azuma
odin
haku
rupprecht
mainz

[whole salmon]

Can you change the order

[stable mirage]

Yeah

my order is diffrent

[whole salmon]

Ancho, Haku, Mainz

[stable mirage]

i am doing oding right now, ironblood main fleet xp goes fast

[whole salmon]

Then do the rest later

[stable mirage]

ancho is going to take me ages tho

i want to do them i can do faster

so ironblood and sakura vanguard

[keen juniper]

USS PR is the most easy since we’re using lot of them as starter

[stable mirage]

i have 0 us vanguards i use…

i had sommer

but replaced here with kita

[keen juniper]

Yeah, Event starter player

[stable mirage]

but i will see if i maybe move her priority up

[trail temple]

Better off dropping CAs in general if you don't have Anchorage

USS vanguards is probably the easiest and cheapest to do

[neon bronze]

wait, I lost to the server's premier Weeb user

last season

oh well, was bound to lose that season because of 8 hour maintenance + the extension

[rustic bridge]

I hate pvp

[fickle echo]

Letan?!

[merry vale]

Seems like a certifiable skill issue.

[little bobcat]

mmmmm

chien moved to top 10

so kind of him

[empty mesa]

Bro got Shima?

[merry vale]

Guess he can get aotn now.

[little bobcat]

true

that's totally me

[pseudo copper]

Admiral of the Anvy soon

[topaz citrus]

[rustic bridge]

winning on pvp is impsossible on enty or warspits

[valid oxide]

I should make an anti Saltybelfast fleet someday

[rustic bridge]

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/S0Btx7uT-54

Enty too op

[valid oxide]

Il just make a pure stall fleet to outlive saltyBelfast

[fickle echo]

[rustic bridge]

DIE DIE DIE ENTY

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007978980340670536/1055468987309367356/edit1.gif

[valid oxide]

How about hiryuu stall

[rustic bridge]

hiryuu is easy

[valid oxide]

Hiryuu is fun because I get to abuse 15s invuln for potentially 3 somewhat close together airstrikes

Backline gone

[rustic bridge]

new ships new luck

[pseudo copper]

Based YK enjoyer

[rustic bridge]

only to strong

i need ur gears

[rustic bridge]

i can nbe

never kill enty or warspite

[valid oxide]

I shall build a team to spite you wait a min

[rustic bridge]

[winged depot]

Don't bother

[rustic bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/seseren01-akairo-azurlane-hmm-thinking-gif-13558805

[valid oxide]

I don't have most of this but it seems to be aptly long living to extend your suffering Saltybelfast

[winged depot]

bold of you to think that he will take this advice

[valid oxide]

Its an anti saltybel fleet, he needn't make it himself

[winged depot]

just put enty

[rustic bridge]

hiryuu kill i

[winged depot]

1 backline enty

[valid oxide]

Also fully oathed fleet

[winged depot]

and his skill issue would be there with just 1 enty

[rustic bridge]

lv 10 enty have my lv 120 musahi kill

[valid oxide]

You have no preloads to reveal her, she lives far beyond your vanguard dying

[little bobcat]

make enty manjuu

[valid oxide]

I think that's excessive

He doesn't do damage to the backline until 20s in anyway

[winged depot]

how about make yourselves stress free and ignore the guy, yeah?

[valid oxide]

No

I find it fun

Especially when I know even my terrible fleet can beat him

[rustic bridge]

ii have she

[valid oxide]

I can just switch to uni and corgi snipe her

[rustic bridge]

a best for my pvp fleet

[topaz citrus]

Is teatorp better than say +12 quint rainbow torp?

[rustic bridge]

teatorp?

[topaz citrus]

The straight line torp from gear lab

[rustic bridge]

say me nothing

[dapper dock]

Jokes aside what's the counter to the triple BBB comp from tier 0? Even with a 20 percent damage reduction the damage is ridiculous. I don't have shimakaze but that comp is tough even with Meeb.

[valid oxide]

If they do high damage find a way to shove in WNT

[dapper dock]

I used the Frontier Medal thinking it would help since I had 2 carriers with Musashi. Would WNT work better?

[valid oxide]

Wnt is 15% less damage dealt for both sides

Helps keep you alive Vs damage spikes

[dapper dock]

Got it, thanks for the idea.

[little bobcat]

408 points

i dont think this has gone well

[little bobcat]

FUCK

i lost an attempt

[fickle echo]

You forgot about it? 💀

[neon bronze]

Letan gaming

Can still get AotN, just bag a bit harder I guess

[little bobcat]

i forgot yeah

actually idkm

i think i did

[fickle echo]

Like I said before you should just use Implicit's tech and end the reset at 4/10

[little bobcat]

i was just being stubborn

[fickle echo]

@hollow walrus This is you, right? Are you gonna do more exercises anytime soon?

[hollow walrus]

I've used all my exercises already

I think. I don't remember

[fickle echo]

Ok, so I might just sleep soon

[neon bronze]

[azure swan]

dang, pvp optimization goes all the way back to lieutenant?

doesnt the amount of points you get per exercise stay fixed as long as youre 35+ ranks apart?

[candid sluice]

It’s different per rank till lower half

[pseudo copper]

It's score difference, not rank difference and as Salty said

Sheet for min difference to get bonus is in pins

[azure swan]

how do you even calculate score difference without the leaderboard?

[pseudo copper]

Early on you can guess based on experience by rank difference, usually would be a few hundred or thousand ranks apart (depending on how early it is in season), later on will always be in t100 if you bag properly

[azure swan]

oomf

[dapper dock]

Based on experience how many losses/ point difference can you take and still get to AoTN?

Includes rushing as an option

[lusty hill]

I once lost around 5 times and still get aotn with rushing

[neon bronze]

Around 6-8. I took a lot of bonuses on the way

[dapper dock]

Thanks for sharing. What is the best strategy for rushing for AOTN? Just finish the fastest fight as fast as possible even if it's not left most or does it have to be left most? I'm assuming it has to be at the exact moment of reset.

[dapper dock]

Please show me EOS #1 with that fleet which you partly made.

[floral wave]

you mean the fdg/seyd/musashi one?

[dapper dock]

That's the one.

[floral wave]

well last season #9 on lexi used this fleet with an addition of agir iirc, #3 possibly too and im not sure about aldarn

i wouldnt know but my guess is the last few points between top10 is more luck than fleet based

[dapper dock]

Cool

[pseudo copper]

If your score is low, you'd prob want to wait 2-3 resets to rush, starting before maint and finishing, then continuing right after

[pseudo copper]

Depends on how hard you bag, I can make it with 10-15 depending on when I overcap ofc

[candid sluice]

Week 1 overcaps can be made up in week 2 but week 2 overcaps are hard to recover from

[floral wave]

im blaming you if i dont make up my yesterdays overcaps next week

[pseudo copper]

I overcapped week 2 last season

[dapper dock]

Why is that?

[keen juniper]

Overcapped 6 on week 2 still got AoTN

[outer shadow]

Grozny on top

[keen juniper]

[floral wave]

went from 1 to 47 in 3 minutes

[neon bronze]

Amagi gaming.

[outer shadow]

3 minutes of glory

[floral wave]

[keen juniper]

if you’re keeping the screenshot, it’s Eternal glory

[outer shadow]

so true my friend

[outer shadow]

[zenith lantern]

I got r2 EoS with Agir and Seydlitz the last 2 seasons on Lexi. The last one I was r1 by 3+ points the whole season until I had bad luck on the last day and finished 2nd.

[zenith lantern]

3BB is a hard counter to Meeb. If you switch to 2 BB, 1 CV with Hiryuu or Shinano as your CV you'll have a better time. Hiryuu being the better choice for the 3BB match.

[floral wave]

havent met 2bb hiryuu yet but yeah, closest matches i have are against 2bb1cv since my frontline usually gets fucked by the time enemy ancho manjuu expires and its a gamble whether they manage to reveal cv or it stays hidden

altho with agir it doesnt seem as painful as it was before

[neon bronze]

meeb can everything, it can beat 3 bb too. just a little bit harder

one 3 BB variant was the only fleet that took 3 CV strikes

[floral wave]

thats quite a long match ngl

[neon bronze]

ajuk lmao

[candid sluice]

there are more opportunities for you to get bonuses if you overcap earlier on but if u overcap week 2 you have less time to make up for it

also less movers in general in week 2

[neon bronze]

MSN can use WNT on Musashi, right?

if flag

[stable dawn]

that's actually the recommended setup

MSN without WNT feels pretty bad imo

[neon bronze]

thanks

haven't ran 2 BB Shinano in a while. kinda forgot

[dapper dock]

What's the counter for Yakuza?

And if you have +10 not +13 gear with 2 wyverns would Meeb be worth it or HYMEN?

[stable dawn]

literally any of the T0 fleets counters Yakuza

[stable dawn]

I would run HYMEN. Meeb requires a bare minimum of 2 +13 wyverns to feel usable imo

[dapper dock]

I just took an L with my Meeb to Yakuza

[stable dawn]

Good thing you can lose up to 15 exercises in early season and still get aotn

[dapper dock]

What about late season?

[stable dawn]

don't lose

[dapper dock]

I'm sure at the top there'll only be Tier 0 and 1

[stable dawn]

nah, it's around half and half

half are decent fleets, the other half are meme setups

because it turns out defense doesn't actually matter

also you're on Washington so there's about 20 total players with full +13 pvp gear

literal ghost town

[little bobcat]

? i run it with 2 +10 and it feels fine

[stable dawn]

aren't you Letan?

[little bobcat]

yea

[stable dawn]

hacker

[little bobcat]

exaclty

[dapper dock]

I'm guessing late season even a +9 is okay if you are rushing. Leftmost is best but +9 over a loss. When exactly is late season?

[stable dawn]

[topaz citrus]

Which gun is best for Harbin?

[little bobcat]

her own

[stable dawn]

I actually prefer this one:
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_135mm_(Model_1938)#Type_3-0

since the vast majority of enemy vanguards are light/med armor

[little bobcat]

i don't remember point gains

what should i be getting per battle at lieutenant

[topaz citrus]

I didn't play during virtual tower second best would be Harbin own gun from research?

[stable dawn]

yes

[topaz citrus]

Thanks

[fickle echo]

There's a rank table on the pins

[little bobcat]

its hard to read though

im en

[rustic bridge]

i hope she can entis kill

[candid sluice]

Needs more tenrai

[rustic bridge]

Have no tenrai

[keen juniper]

[hollow walrus]

Curious but is Haku any good in pvp?

[dapper dock]

I had the same question what tier would Anchorage kazagumo Juneau, Musashi hakuryuu and Shinano be?

And if the tier 0 are stallish or aggro stall setups would the rainbow ijn gun be viable on Musashi?

[uncut agate]

tier 0 - anchorage, musashi. tier 1 - shinano, juneau. meh - kazagumo, haku.

[dapper dock]

What makes you say that?

[floral wave]

kaza dies before first cv strike - useless

shinano pretty often happens to die before first strike so haku wont stand a chance

and rainbow gun is not viable on musashi

[little bobcat]

your shinano dies?

[floral wave]

no

i dont use shinano

but she can die before launch

[dapper dock]

Based on the crits.

[floral wave]

no, not crits

hits

[dapper dock]

Torps and barrage

[stable dawn]

Sandy server has been seeing the rise of 460mm gun Musashi, so could always try it out

[stable dawn]

Sounds like you used MSN without WNT

[floral wave]

nah, no N to use MSN

[stable dawn]

[dapper dock]

Should be interesting

So Aya and Shima die early anyway after torping along with pearl tears. For a carrier setup with WNT which would delay her death, wouldn't kazagumos carrier buff which iirc remains even after she dies be worth it for the same reason. Her torp stat is also decent along with the heals.

[floral wave]

it doesnt remain

neither her damage nor speed is similar to ayanami/shima and heals are too little, too late

also shima doesnt die early most of the time

[stable dawn]

shima can outlive anchorage if anchorage doesn't have manjuu

her evasion buff + speed is just that strong

[dapper dock]

I looked again and it does say while afloat my bad.

[floral wave]

it it remained it wouldnt change much tbh

because youd have to keep your carriers alive until 2nd strike

[dapper dock]

BTW what's the 460mm Musashi load out on Sandy?

[floral wave]

theres no such thing in pvp

[dapper dock]

It's mentioned here

[floral wave]

musashis barrage is too good to risk using it only once in battle and too late

@stable dawn explain

[stable dawn]

hold up it was in a DM with one of the top sandy players. Let me find it

[frigid hamlet]

I don't recall dming you

[floral wave]

isnt 460 musashi a "win more" case? where youd win anyway but want to see funee numbers

[topaz citrus]

Define top sandy players

[frigid hamlet]

Top 10k like me

[topaz citrus]

[little bobcat]

i just lost even more attempts

i give up

[floral wave]

sadge

better luck next season

[little bobcat]

ive lost 5 attempts alone just from forgetting

[floral wave]

eh

[dapper dock]

How do you retire in Azur Lane?

[little bobcat]

4 today and 1 yesterday

[topaz citrus]

I lost like 6-7 last season and still managed AotN

[floral wave]

i forgor 4

[topaz citrus]

You should be fine

[floral wave]

and im doing fine

[frigid hamlet]

Don't log in

[dapper dock]

Ah

[topaz citrus]

And I kinda rush a lot too last season

[floral wave]

if youre aiming for aotn 5 this early doesnt matter

[little bobcat]

ig

[dapper dock]

When does it matter

When is EOS 2nd week?

[little bobcat]

next week

[dapper dock]

Like Monday

[floral wave]

its last reset of sunday

next week

monday is already a new season

[dapper dock]

So 2nd week is mid?

[floral wave]

thats my pace right now after overcapping 4 yesterday

[little bobcat]

wait what how do you calc that

is there a bot in pvp servers

[floral wave]

alm server has it

[dapper dock]

Nice tip

[floral wave]

CoC also does, not sure about the others

[hollow walrus]

CoC?

[floral wave]

@pseudo copper we need an #ad here

[dapper dock]

Church of cheshire

[stable dawn]

Found it

[dapper dock]

My eyes my eyes

[floral wave]

i wouldnt know but id call this win more setup

[hollow walrus]

I thought you'd want Musashi to fire as much as possible for her barrage

[stable dawn]

I asked that too

they replied

"Server preference"

[floral wave]

tbh whats more interesting is vang mk7 and fp aa

[stable dawn]

that's what they gave me

[floral wave]

yeah i get it

[hollow walrus]

you use the teatorp right if you have that aux that turns 1st salvo into magnetic right

[floral wave]

correct

[dapper dock]

Yes

[hollow walrus]

oh don't have that aux

[little bobcat]

i use teatorp anyways

[dapper dock]

It looks like the fire rate is faster than quin

[floral wave]

i mean you can still use them without that aux but

[little bobcat]

since usually it'll just hit a backline instead and instantly kill

[dapper dock]

And you get that 5 percent

[little bobcat]

aya's preload torps instakill anyone not named musashi so

[dapper dock]

The aux is from aurora noctis

[hollow walrus]

still need to level up my Ayaya

[floral wave]

yep

[little bobcat]

actually

they kill musashi sometimes

[floral wave]

depends on crits and evasion

[little bobcat]

yup

typically i just need 1 or 2 torps to crit to just kill whatever

16k a torp be like

[dapper dock]

What setup do you use for Aya?

[little bobcat]

this is what i'm using

[hollow walrus]

who can replace Shimakaze in the standard vanguard other than Ayaya?

[little bobcat]

noshiro

yukikaze

harbin

birmingham if you live in 2018

[floral wave]

agir if youre kms fan :pausechamp:

[little bobcat]

ari mentioned l'indomptable

as a possible meme

[floral wave]

thats a possible def fleet

[little bobcat]

oh wait

is she a stall meme?

[floral wave]

dont think its really effective on attack

[little bobcat]

i might put her in my defense fleet if so

[dapper dock]

Why rare gun over purple for musashi?

[stable dawn]

faster lmao

[floral wave]

sometimes she will stall enemy but sometimes she just flops

[little bobcat]

does duca replace the torp vanguard or does she replace juneau in og mafia

[floral wave]

juneau

its ancho shima duca

[little bobcat]

ah

is shima still pearl holder

[floral wave]

yeah i believe so

whenever i met mafia pre musashi duca outlived ancho usually

[pseudo copper]

Yeah, I made Cheshire and bot is added in quite a few servers

[little bobcat]

i see

how does it work

[floral wave]

;pace number of attempts left points

;pace 0 0 for example

[little bobcat]

oh

i'm probably on a really dogshit pace lmao

[floral wave]

its still early so you can recover

i was on a 2559 +2 pace after overcapping yesterday and im 2572 now

[little bobcat]

mmm

[floral wave]

dont be like me and abandon season whenever you overcap

[fickle echo]

My guildmaster still got AotN after losing a lot of attempts to sleep

[pseudo copper]

I overcapped last season and still got 3rd

[hollow walrus]

what's overcap mean again

[floral wave]

basically a loss

lost attempt, lost match

[pseudo copper]

Missing an exercise or more due to not using it before reset

[little bobcat]

[stable dawn]

it means you forget to go down to 5/10 and lose attempts due to rolling over to 10/10

[hollow walrus]

oh that

[little bobcat]

i shouold be alright

[fickle echo]

Just use an alarm to not forget about you fights

[keen juniper]

overcapped 6 in week 2 still got AoTN

[pseudo copper]

You are my alarm

[fickle echo]

Be prepared to overcap again

[topaz citrus]

typical Shima sweep

[dapper dock]

Shima rerun please yostar

[dapper dock]

Why does he say Sunday is best I thought after maintenance?

[pseudo copper]

You can't get aotn after maint

On first few sets of aotn rush it's hard to make it, Sunday it slows down + allows you to bag some bonuses to make it easier

[dapper dock]

So EOS it's easiest?

[pseudo copper]

Not EoS specifically, just Sunday in general

EoS people will 0 out

[dapper dock]

Okay, how tough is AOTN rush if you do day of? You can still bag till Sunday if you fail right.

[upper patio]

heyyyy Death

I AM HERE

[pseudo copper]

[pseudo copper]

It's not tough if you bagged properly, but if behind can be rather tough

[upper patio]

This server is massive

[pseudo copper]

It is the official server

[upper patio]

Seems about right

So what did you want to tell me?

[floral wave]

hi, do you have any pvp attempts left? lel

[upper patio]

[pseudo copper]

Sent you a dm

[topaz citrus]

[stable dawn]

[dapper dock]

@floral wave how'd you improve your pace. These guys just seem to be lagging just like me at these ranks.

If you lag till end that's only 1/5 right you need more for better pace

[candid sluice]

refresh the list if theyre not moving

[pseudo copper]

Early on it's hard to recognise names, since a lot bigger pool, later on it'd be about always same people and you'd be able to recognise general schedule of which resets they move on

[neon bronze]

pvp chat active wao

[stable dawn]

pvp chat is always active wtf are you talking about

[neon bronze]

[fickle echo]

[neon bronze]

i just woke up

[fickle echo]

Beth isn't always active

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

[outer shadow]

azure lane!

https://tenor.com/view/seseren-azur-lane-gif-26459802

[candid sluice]

You missed sahur

[pseudo copper]

We're talking about you

[stable dawn]

[rustic bridge]

0/10 Wins

[ocean prairie]

Hm

I wonder why

[pseudo copper]

Enty

[trail temple]

And Warspit

[valid oxide]

[pseudo copper]

Where's your VH plate on Enty? I heard from #al-general you should use one

[neon bronze]

Manjuu Enty

[little bobcat]

i would honestly swap guns on shima

[neon bronze]

ah that main gun is fine for shima

too small of a difference to really matter

[little bobcat]

ik ik

but the range is the reson that gun is used

but range doesnt rlly matter in pvp

does anyone here know ChaosRei on lexington

[fickle echo]

No, but if you have him on your list now he won't move, he uses all his exercises on the 2nd reset and probably goes to sleep after that

[little bobcat]

aww

ok

[neon bronze]

benefits of knowing rusher schedule

@little bobcat join their agency

just aski him in dms

[little bobcat]

send

[neon bronze]

no, dm ari

i'm amagi

[little bobcat]

@fickle echo

[neon bronze]

😓

[fickle echo]

If I let you join then you need to stop giving up early without even trying when something goes wrong, can you do that?

[little bobcat]

sure

[pseudo copper]

Can I join?

I need to learn schedules too

[fickle echo]

I'll first talk about it with the council and then tell you about the results

[little bobcat]

[neon bronze]

surely

[fickle echo]

I'll ask them about it too

[little bobcat]

im screwed

[pseudo copper]

Lexi player Deathkt joining Lexi agency

[dapper dock]

@fickle echo if you dont mind what are the requirements?

[neon bronze]

oh shit sorry, ari

[dapper dock]

It's cool he/she doesn't need to share anything he/she doesn't want to.

[fickle echo]

Doing pvp regularly and playing on Lexi or feeling too lonely on your server

[dapper dock]

Thanks for clarifying, is there a Washington one?

[pseudo copper]

Washi is dead

[fickle echo]

The top Washington player actually joined us because he was lonely

[dapper dock]

[neon bronze]

[winged depot]

[little bobcat]

i wanna start a new account, any server recommendations?

[fickle echo]

If you wanna find more Washington pvpers the best way is to get AotN and join the ninja chat on ALM server

Not like you'll find that many people anyway

[fickle echo]

Sandy

[neon bronze]

Amagi.

[little bobcat]

reasons?

[neon bronze]

you'll gotta cope with only NJ, though

[little bobcat]

i can always make nj work dw

[neon bronze]

sandy eos scores are around 2565-85; amagi 2585-90+
activity wise, sandy is ehh, amagi is good

[little bobcat]

i might start amagi

[dapper dock]

This kind of sounds like a job need to get work experience to get work experience. Get admiral of the navy to get help to get admiral of the navy.

[whole salmon]

Getting AoTN is simple

All players there have gotten EOS

With most being consistent EOS

[neon bronze]

nah just a single AotN placement is fine for ninja in ALM server

i haven't eos'd yet

[whole salmon]

Oh the ninja thing

That’s a dead channel

Don’t bother

[neon bronze]

[fickle echo]

Hey Pink, you still didn't answer my question on the Angency's discord, you're part of the council too

[dapper dock]

[whole salmon]

I don’t mind getting Death in

He’s an old friend

[winged depot]

[whole salmon]

Our pvp space is already quite small

[fickle echo]

We'll only get the final answer after some hours since most members are sleeping now

[whole salmon]

And besides

Amagi doesn’t have a dedicated agency yet right

[dapper dock]

There's like a vote ?

[whole salmon]

Despite having quite a lot of players

[dapper dock]

With the elders/EOS?

[fickle echo]

Only when it's a special situation

[whole salmon]

Everyone there is Lexi

Except Borgar but he’s an old friend

And he was kinda lonely

And it was kinda sadge

[neon bronze]

looks like eos and being friends with at least one of you gotta be the requirements

[whole salmon]

Don’t worry

If you eos enough

We probably have heard about you

Even if you are on different server

[neon bronze]

[dapper dock]

https://tenor.com/view/why-cant-we-be-friends-freddie-kreuger-darth-vader-dracula-jason-voorhees-gif-5469319

[neon bronze]

later ig

you could

[whole salmon]

Tho sometimes we help out lower rank to reach EOS as well

As with the case of Unknownuser

[neon bronze]

just gotta build experience and character

[dapper dock]

I'll probably take a break after AOTN or soon, but will keep that in mind.

[whole salmon]

And yeah Sandy feels like

[fickle echo]

You didn't say your opinion about Letan joining

[whole salmon]

The most clear place currently

[winged depot]

can i join

[whole salmon]

Oh that

That’s up for the others

I’m retired

[dapper dock]

Who's letan btw

[whole salmon]

[little bobcat]

Me

[neon bronze]

[dapper dock]

That's how you read Letan?

Cool

[neon bronze]

he used to be "Letan"

but he namechanged

that's his discord handle atm

[little bobcat]

no

my name is how you read "heretic"

i'm about to change it

[dapper dock]

Is it Le - tan

Like japanese

Or Letan together?

[little bobcat]

i got the name Letan from a british show

[dapper dock]

Cool

[whole salmon]

After a month now

I think it is safe to say

Implacable has no place in pvp

Aside from being budget to Shinano

But then you would use Hiryuu or Aquila so it is still mbruh

[fickle echo]

Cryst Alice still got AotN at commander level 92 using her

[whole salmon]

Smh

Implacable ig would be like tier 1.5

[trail temple]

Elbe should be t1.5 too, her shields are so OP

[fickle echo]

She's KMS ofc she's OP, the only reason she's not t0 is because devs didn't give her a slow or gold rarity

[fickle echo]

@pseudo copper @little bobcat I'm gonna sleep I'll ask someone else to invite whoever gets enough votes to join, it's not my problem anymore

[pseudo copper]

[neon bronze]

any improvements to the fleet i'm running atm? halp

1. I do have a +13 457, can swap it to Vanguard. i do like her firing first before Musashi though, for the meantime
2. I also have a +13 Tenrai, but +10 Skyraider has about 10~ more HP, so I'm running it atm lol
3. not enough gold plates for Ancho auxillaries 😭 ; can also run heel instead of rudder on her

[little bobcat]

+13 kursk gun for anchorage?

[neon bronze]

cba farming that

[little bobcat]

it's only 30k points

it's like 15 runs

[neon bronze]

i log in once a day

[little bobcat]

maybe 114 for juneau

otherwise idk

there isnt much

[neon bronze]

done. just +10, though

could also +11 pancake on aquila

[little bobcat]

pancake would prob be better yea

also maybe AER on vanny

it's usually slightly more ehp than a toolbox/rudder for most hms ships

afaik the only ship it's worse than toolbox/rudder on is neptune

[neon bronze]

AER?

[little bobcat]

albion's exercise report

[neon bronze]

lmao that's cope

very cope

[little bobcat]

i guess ill check vanny ehp

it's usually slightly better for vanguards

wouldn't doubt for vanny

but i'll check

if excel would load

[keen juniper]

you don’t have NJ?

[neon bronze]

guess which evasion value is with rudder, and albion's exercise report

vanny's base evasion is at 39. not sure where the extra 20 comes from

[keen juniper]

I would say the improvement you can do is swapping Vanguard with NJ, she’s great but squishy

Yours better than my fleet tbh

[neon bronze]

[keen juniper]

NJ with +13 457

[whole salmon]

That’s not how evasion rate works

[neon bronze]

oh?

do tell how

[whole salmon]

What you calculated is 5% of eva stat

Evasion rate follows a completely different formula

[little bobcat]

^^^

[whole salmon]

Which takes into account plenty other things

You can find it on the wiki under the combat section

Of course, 5% evasion rate on Vanguard is only approximately 10-12 evasion stat but it is still higher than your calculations

Evasion stat increase affect the “DefenderEvasion” section of the formula

Evasion rate increase affect the “EvasionRateSkill” section of the formula

[whole salmon]

Unlike evasion stat increase which diminishes over time due to enemy’s increasing of hit

Evasion rate increase directly affect the % of you getting hit. 5% evasion rate = 5% less chance of you getting hit

[whole salmon]

This is the reason why China Wall and Noshiro have considerably higher sustainability

[neon bronze]

Wasn't even aware of this feature

TIL

[pseudo copper]

@neon bronze you can find my accuracy calculator in CC

Just flip around the answer and you get eva rate

1-output

[neon bronze]

sure i'll try it out sometime

[rustic bridge]

I need Ur gears

how should i win of this Hard power

[pseudo copper]

There is someone called Unultra in this server, he has all the secrets to pvp

[topaz citrus]

17k backline is still tame no?

[rustic bridge]

My backline have 13k

[topaz citrus]

[rustic bridge]

Def fleet have 14.600

[topaz citrus]

3 oathed backline still at 13k

[rustic bridge]

0 oath on attack

[topaz citrus]

Farming exp in PvP

[rustic bridge]

Here only Leipzig and Magdeburg

[rustic bridge]

Little exp farm

[ember parrot]

Which torp is better for Duca to use when pvp, quad mag or quad 610?

[neon bronze]

quint mag torp

though to note. augment module slashes directly counter duca nowadays

so take that in mind if you want to run Duca at all

[fickle echo]

Just use teatorps

[neon bronze]

teatorps on duca?

do explain, i thought quint mag was best on her'

[fickle echo]

Like you said the slash just get rid of them so you might just want to use teatorps and try to hit the main fleet

Vice used teatorps

[neon bronze]

ah i see

just like a broom collecting moving hair on the floor

might as well send some mice to the table instead of hair

[fickle echo]

[topaz citrus]

which website do I go for that gear planning

[neon bronze]

SaltyArrow's sheet found in pins oops, looks like i didn't read again.
Azur Lane Fleet Maker: https://x94fujo6rpg.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/

[topaz citrus]

thanks

Do I need to change anything?

[candid sluice]

amagi gun

[topaz citrus]

I do have another +10 457

Do I use that?

Or +13 mk7?

[neon bronze]

this gun is great on her

[topaz citrus]

Aite will do

[rustic bridge]

What is a fucking teatorp

[neon bronze]

mkix torpedoes found in royal navy part of Gear Lab

[fickle echo]

The secret weapon to kill Enty and Warspite

[rustic bridge]

gear Lab ok impossible for me

[topaz citrus]

[neon bronze]

[topaz citrus]

Do OpSi

[rustic bridge]

Can not

[lusty hill]

You don't play opsi?

[rustic bridge]

First season of 100% no zone more rest OS to Hard

[fickle echo]

[lusty hill]

What's your opsi fleet

[topaz citrus]

Musashi/Shinano non-havers?

[lusty hill]

I remember he has musashi but 0lb

So many 125

[rustic bridge]

[fickle echo]

[topaz citrus]

[ember parrot]

Gears are kinda meh

[rustic bridge]

give me better

[ember parrot]

My “meh” gears

[empty mesa]

[candid sluice]

💀

[whole salmon]

Dead gear

Using pve gear is fine if you aren’t pvp dedicated tho

[rustic bridge]

Tico is fucking usless for pvp what can this ship

[ember parrot]

I am just try to be in the group that get 90 per win, it would be better if I can get sone PvP meta ship but I do miss out on some event ship.

[clever moon]

sounds abt right tbh, i used her like forever ago and decided that she should stay in my defence fleets lol

[ember parrot]

Is Hiryuu still good for pvp?

[merry vale]

Hiryuu is still used a lot.

[rustic bridge]

On what remove i tico

[ember parrot]

Hmm, do I need her to be in 125 or 120 work fine?

[merry vale]

I mean, level difference is huge, no you don't need 125, but 125 is better by a margin.

Depends on how much you want to invest into your pvp fleet.

If you actually want a good fleet 125 is mandatory on everyone.

5 levels of difference in pvp is a lot.

[rustic bridge]

Ban oprise from pvp

[little bobcat]

+21

[valid oxide]

I missed like 7 attempts rip this season

[keen juniper]

Still can catch up

[candid sluice]

its still week 1 calm down

not 1050 set either

[fickle echo]

You mean 1049 set

[hidden robin]

not sure for how many minutes i could stay like this

[deft escarp]

Is it worth switching over to Meeb if you don't have +13 Tenrai and only have two +13 Wyvern?

[whole salmon]

Then use MSN

[deft escarp]

[little bobcat]

im running sashi/vanny/spite rn

does nj replace vanny?

i'm kinda liking the backline snipe of spite rn so like

it feels like vanny doesn't contribute much

[hollow walrus]

pretty sure NJ would better replace Warcorgi

[little bobcat]

mmm

or i could run fdg over vanny

for now

im gonna test out fdg over vanny

[keen juniper]

[dapper dock]

Hiryuu is used in most of the T0 fleets. The 15second invuln is a good tool to reset and avoid losses.

[merry vale]

[dapper dock]

Wrong pin I meant @ember parrot

[merry vale]

[dapper dock]

What happens at 1049 or 1050 set?

[fading fulcrum]

What's good fleet for pvp ?

[topaz citrus]

Check pin

[rustic bridge]

Fuck you enty

Lv 45 enty

[keen juniper]

[rustic bridge]

Fucking op ship

[keen juniper]

You can use her too tho

[rustic bridge]

Have here skill lv1 not good gears for here

Time for here

[topaz citrus]

18k & 19k backline btw

[rustic bridge]

Fight on a openty and you lose

Enterprise and warspite is a pure evil

[topaz citrus]

Just don't lose

[pseudo copper]

Meta comps are in pins, but based on what you have rn you can work on Akaga + Warspite with Anchorage (after you get her), Ykkz, Juneau for now

[rustic bridge]

1 win and 9 lose

[candid sluice]

turning point where all bonuses require +35 for a bonus

[neon bronze]

at 1049, you still get +12 and up depending on mover, movers get you +13~15
at 1050, you just get +10 and needs +35 pts difference for bonus

so ppl on 1050 are a bit disadvantaged compared to ppl on 1049.

doesn't really matter if your RNG with movers is good regardless of 1049/1050

[valid oxide]

Is the new CA gun used for ancho or should I just stick to chesh gun til I get drek gun?

[dapper dock]

I've seen the new CA gun used for Anchorage the guide recommends drake gun.

The kursk gun

Which one is Cheshire gun?

[valid oxide]

Twin 234

The one I have equipped currently

[dapper dock]

I'd recommend kursk gun until you get drake gun

And would +13 if you can

Look at the difference in dps here : https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/List_of_Heavy_Cruiser_Guns

[little bobcat]

kursk is nice

[valid oxide]

I have already looked at the stats, was just wondering if it changed anything

[dapper dock]

Changed anything in the sense?

[valid oxide]

Also the worse damage Vs light armour isn't that bad for PvP right?

[valid oxide]

For my gearing

[dapper dock]

I think it depends on the enemy comp you are right it's worse on light Armour. I'm not sure what a definitive answer would be.

Any reason for warspite over NJ?

[valid oxide]

When you have no NJ

Same reason to use Aya/nosh over shima

[dapper dock]

But she's coming up

[valid oxide]

NJ rerun soon and I have like 30 cubes currently

I won't hit pity but I might get lucky

[dapper dock]

Better save up and can use the commission exchange cubes

You'll also get 31 summons

Just from tickets

[hollow walrus]

it's actually 44 tickets for UR events

[dapper dock]

Ooh even better

[valid oxide]

I think corgi is the best one here

Gonna go grind 10k points for Kursk gun then

[dapper dock]

BTW +7 over +11 gun for musashi?

I'm running the +11

[valid oxide]

I'm running +7 because faster barrage

[dapper dock]

Got it

[valid oxide]

Also oathed

[dapper dock]

[valid oxide]

I used to run amagi before corgi and she was no damage

She did nothing but die

She died before pearl

She died before Juneau

She just got killed all the time

Amagi 🚮 was my conclusion so I now run a cope version of hymen

Might move back to hiryuu flag though

[dapper dock]

Musashi barrage better in center but hiryuu flag may be better, I'm running hymen with hiryuu flag worked well.

[dapper dock]

For WarCorgi could use twin 457 over current gun if you have it. Move beaver to ancho/sashi and stick white shell on Corgi.

If hiryuu mid with WNT, could add shell to sashi as well.

[valid oxide]

Trust me, if I had 457 I would be using it

Also corgi dies quickly as it is, shell corgi sounds like pain

[dapper dock]

Got it

[valid oxide]

The gear on corgi is hit stat and Eva, most gear remains unchanged

Its a cope fleet but it works

[dapper dock]

[valid oxide]

I think I have an even more minimax gun for sushi

But I need BB in medal shop

[floral wave]

dont you have the pre requisite 457 gun for warspite?

[valid oxide]

I have the prerequisite to the prerequisite

[floral wave]

unless triple works for you fine

[valid oxide]

Purple AP twin 406

[floral wave]

ah

ye i guess use triple for now

[valid oxide]

Also what is the opinion on using mikasa gun for slightly faster sushi barrage

I need to spend 80 medals for it if I get BB next month

[floral wave]

damage is shit

it was considered early on

[valid oxide]

So is 356

[floral wave]

no, mikasa gun damage is shit + its not even HE ammo

[valid oxide]

Is it the coefficient that fucks it

[floral wave]

and speed isnt that much better

idk about the coeff, i just remember it was considered and the overall conclusion was its not worth it

[valid oxide]

I won't spend 80 medals then

[dapper dock]

Which formula?

[floral wave]

its bb hit tech anyways

[neon bronze]

pve gaming

[floral wave]

i waited for mikasa to appear in amagi shop so long i would spend even 800 medals

[dapper dock]

Pve gaming?

[floral wave]

he meant me mentioning tech

[neon bronze]

fleet tech only applies in pve

[floral wave]

fleet tech doesnt apply in pvp

[neon bronze]

if pvp had tech, then it'd be far more pepega

[dapper dock]

I meant this

[valid oxide]

If PvP had fleet tech I would lose far more games

[floral wave]

oh

[valid oxide]

I checked and coeff is the same, just lower base DMG and armour mods

[floral wave]

every gun has such thing

also it doesnt burn since its not HE

[valid oxide]

You lose about ⅛ of the base damage and have horrendous armour mods on top of it

[floral wave]

mikasa gun i mean

[valid oxide]

And no burn

[little bobcat]

what is mikasa gun

her stock gun?

[floral wave]

ye

[valid oxide]

Mikasa stock gun

[little bobcat]

what's her stock gun

[valid oxide]

Twin 305mm 41st year iirc

[little bobcat]

oh

356 41st?

[valid oxide]

No

305

[floral wave]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_305mm_(41st_Year_Type)

[little bobcat]

ohhh

that thing

yeah

armor mods too bad

[valid oxide]

305 is mikasa, 356 is kongo gun iirc

[rustic bridge]

Warspite you Monster

[pseudo copper]

Damage from main gun on Sushi not too much of a concern, concern is burn not possible

[trail temple]

The raw main gun damage is actually enough of a noticeable difference to be of a concern tbh

[valid oxide]

Warspite is my cope placeholder for NJ

[dapper dock]

[topaz citrus]

sounds like skill issue

[dapper dock]

I play manual in pvp to show off my awesome skills.

[topaz citrus]

[trail temple]

Part of what made Amagi good back in 2019/2020 wasn't really her damage, it was her support skills to make your team tankier. But that's only while she's alive, so you had to build her tanky with either full eva or putting vh armor on. Unfortunately the meta in 2020 is nowhere near the meta in 2023

[winged depot]

If its a cope fleet

The 3 italians with musashi is a viable fleet to use

oh, nvm

You just get keep saying the same thing and don't bother with people's advices anyway

so what's the use

I can assure that the 3 italians + musashi, anchorage and juneau is a good one

[neon bronze]

:god:

[trail temple]

Can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink it

[trail temple]

I can add this to the budget fleet section later

[candid sluice]

you can lead a horse to water buy maybe they prefer milk

[valid oxide]

I don't have Aquila

[winged depot]

Should've said so instead of ignoring what I said for the past 3 weeks

[topaz citrus]

shocking

[candid sluice]

average alo member

[pseudo copper]

Ignoring people is what we do here

[winged depot]

[trail temple]

Ignoring people
Not reading
Getting triggered when people try to help you
Promoting sussy equips

Usual alo pvp discussions

/activities

[rustic bridge]

Why only to Hard fights

[empty mesa]

Exhibit A

[rustic bridge]

Impossible to win

Can where enterprise ban she is to strong

10/10lose

I need more fleet power

[keen juniper]

You need to read the 📌

[lusty hill]

People should switch to weak fleet so salty belfast can climb

[floral wave]

but thats basically what fleets with enty are

[gritty quiver]

is kursk legit for pvp or nah

[little bobcat]

no

she's barely legit for the base game

pvp is a whole different monster

[rustic bridge]

I muss enty exe kill .

[valid oxide]

Switch to UR bulin main tank with aug tomorrow so saltybel can can climb

[rustic bridge]

I use she next as tank

[valid oxide]

She is worse than your current tank iirc

Also those gears are

[keen juniper]

[hollow walrus]

pretty sure salty's just baiting/trolling

[valid oxide]

I know

I intend to keep responding to him

[pseudo copper]

No, Salty playing 4d chess

[rustic bridge]

Where she better

Or what where good als tank

[pseudo copper]

You are best tank

[rustic bridge]

time to Die enty

[neon bronze]

wtf

[rustic bridge]

child enty Mobbing make fun

[floral wave]

[neon bronze]

what loadout for shimakaze if she uses quint mag torp?

[trail temple]

Pretty flexible. Goldburn + pearl is one option

[steel coral]

depends on how tanky you want her to be

[little bobcat]

black magtorp on magtorp

[steel coral]

also gives 5% dmg but really doesn't make much of a difference

especially since she has 2 preloads and it only applies to the first

[neon bronze]

thanks NoobAsian and NArd!

[ocean prairie]

Why black torp instead of double rainbow?

[steel coral]

"Change first torpedo salvo to acoustic homing torpedoes and increase the damage by 5%"

honestly if it even does make a difference it's hardly noticeable

[little bobcat]

would skyraider aquila be a thing for preload