pvp

[little bobcat]

look at his fleet

cb in pvp

[rustic bridge]

yes she is my best cuiser

[little bobcat]

[lusty hill]

how can that level 100 player have 17k fleet power backline

[rustic bridge]

is love

[keen juniper]

what’s the problem? we have lvl 107 player who doesn’t cleared ch10, as R1 EoS

[rustic bridge]

My Max fleet Power is by 14k back line

Front 12k

[lusty hill]

not clearing campaign is just probably lazy but no 1 eos is weird

unless they long time player that got shimakaze and don't bother to level ships that isn't pvp meta

[little bobcat]

man i wish there were better fleets in low ranks

i wanna test this fleet before the season resets

[merry vale]

I find it kinda limp dick in general that defense fleets are pretty much worthless and you're not encouraged to actually use the damn things.

[little bobcat]

i don't think it's that

i'm just super low in rank bc i haven't done attempts in days

so i'm in newbie territory

mm

[merry vale]

Imagine. Getting points for everyone that loses to your defense fleet.

[little bobcat]

17.6/15.3 sashi/nj/aquila + generic stall

i guess that's competent enough to test on

[rustic bridge]

my.strongstes ship

[keen juniper]

that’s decent, i got my first AoTN with that fleet unless I don’t have Aquila so used Uni kai

[lusty hill]

Dude +11 triple mag

[rustic bridge]

My musashi is usless on pvp

[rustic bridge]

Yes why not

[little bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/806043636151091230/1089551767299162333/Azur_Lane_2023-03-26-07-05-05.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/806043636151091230/1089551778724462623/Azur_Lane_2023-03-26-07-09-29.jpg

i think that fleet wasn't good enough

low ranks are low ranks

guess i'll find out when the season resets

[rustic bridge]

Warspite op

[hollow walrus]

I should start retrofitting my own Warspite

[little bobcat]

my warspite is on scuffed gear

[neon bronze]

Show it, i guess

[little bobcat]

6 more circuit boards to just give her a 457

i replaced anchorage gun for backline 1v1s, she's on a +13 kursk gun

also might swap fdg to offensive

[keen juniper]

I’ll just stick with sashi,nj,aquila

[little bobcat]

i just think this fleet iwll be fun

[rustic bridge]

my fleet gear

[little bobcat]

i just now realized you're trolling

[neon bronze]

Good luck.

As long as you win.

[little bobcat]

i'm gonna make this my first aotn

it'd be funny

[rustic bridge]

Is real.my gear

[little bobcat]

[rustic bridge]

Only a lv are fake

[little bobcat]

that's not something to be proudo f

[hollow walrus]

you just realized now?

[little bobcat]

it's kinda hard to tell

because there are like

a LOT of people who genuinely are this stupid

[fickle echo]

[rustic bridge]

i have only not good gears

[jade violet]

pvp meta haven't changed much?

[little bobcat]

who knows

what's your idea of the pvp meta

[jade violet]

[little bobcat]

2018 fleets

[rustic bridge]

i will only enterprise die on pvp she is to strong

[stable dawn]

[keen juniper]

Next season

[candid sluice]

last time i checked washington south dakota was the meta

[keen juniper]

Manjuu NJ is meta

[pulsar oyster]

Why is it recommended to put Beaver on your main fleet? Isnt the eva too small?

[little bobcat]

extra speed for your frontline along with providing eva for the ship

it's also generally only recommended for bbs

[stable dawn]

most of Musashi's damage comes from her barrage so you don't really need damage equips. Table is just for cooldown reduction, really.

[little bobcat]

do you not like beaver fdg?

[stable dawn]

You use FdG?

[little bobcat]

[stable dawn]

[little bobcat]

if you scroll down a bit you get the gear

[pulsar oyster]

wait but why do u run eva on BB tho? Doesnt everyone and their moms have hit nowadays?

[stable dawn]

EVA bonuses are more valuable the less of it a ship has. Going from 40-80 EVA is a huge jump as opposed to going from 180-220 EVA

[merry vale]

Yeah.

Bbs have almost no evasion. So extra 44 evasion is huge.

[stable dawn]

[little bobcat]

^^^

[little bobcat]

yo fluffy

[merry vale]

40 base evasion is kinda ass

[little bobcat]

what are thoughts on tashkent vs 137 sashi

[merry vale]

+64 extra off gear is so nice.

[stable dawn]

basically turns her into a backline CL

[little bobcat]

?

is that responding to me

or the beaver

[merry vale]

I prefer 137 for the extra range and effective firing angle.

[little bobcat]

mmm

so just

dont touch her aux gun until plymouth

[neon bronze]

if you want to squeeze out the fp, yes

[merry vale]

Yeah.

137 Is super good.

I plan to use my +13 on NJ.

Sushi will keep the rainbow.

[valid oxide]

Once I get 137 I should switch harb gun to warkai right? Currently corgi is running Seattle gun

[merry vale]

Warkai can use 137 too though.

Unless you're talking about a 13 gun?

[valid oxide]

I won't have 2 137

[little bobcat]

mm

[little bobcat]

what if aquila over unikai here

since she recently ran

[valid oxide]

I ran out of AP in opsi

[little bobcat]

i wanted to do eventless but the guide hasn't updated to remove her from "recent events" yet so she counts

[valid oxide]

Aql will be more consistent

[merry vale]

137 is still pretty cheap to make at least.

[little bobcat]

for sure

plus she can hold tenrai with her preload

[merry vale]

Harbin gun is a side grade. So go ahead anyways.

[little bobcat]

and she'll be a better feather holder

but also she's event

[merry vale]

Wnt flag Aquila all the way.

[little bobcat]

maybe

[stable dawn]

Aquila likes high dps fleets though because of preload, so I actually prefer her with feather over wnt

[little bobcat]

i wanna keep that fdg + spite core because it's really fun to use, but unikai feels like a total dead slot

aquila would be pretty nice to have there

[merry vale]

My shinano is still holding that feather.

I'm running a cope njless fleet.

[stable dawn]

[little bobcat]

i think i'll test a few different things over the seasons

just to see if i can find a more fun fleet

also maybe some vanguard variations for comedy

[valid oxide]

Once I have fdg, would she replace corgi or hiryuu

[merry vale]

Wnt guarantees that Aquila gets 2 drops off.

I usually win after shinano drop.

[stable dawn]

I think putting her mid gives her 2 airstrikes regardless of WNT

[merry vale]

Does it?

I was getting some silly rng for a while. She kept dying right before her launch depending on how it went.

[little bobcat]

sashi warkai aquila

[whole salmon]

Are you new to pvp

[pulsar oyster]

Well not really. I'm just never follow the meta tho. Use whatever I feel like

I still run Belfast and Sandy for vanguard so

[keen juniper]

You can read the pin 📌

[pulsar oyster]

Yeah alr read it. Gave some of the insights

still I refuse to run Anchorage and Juneau

guess I wont be reaching the top anytime soon

[fickle echo]

Ethical pvp

[keen juniper]

I’m actually thinking running Harbin with twin torp

[merry vale]

Infinite smokescreen.

[little bobcat]

does jintsuu have any extra preload

i forgor

[valid oxide]

Only 2 ships have double preload torps. Shima and ibuki

[little bobcat]

mmm

ibuki is pretty shit

[valid oxide]

Ibuki good but deals shit damage in PvP because of PvP modifiers

CAs deal 25% less damage iirc

[little bobcat]

they don't

[valid oxide]

I said iirc

Let me memory be shit

[stable dawn]

[little bobcat]

she just has shit torps

afaik

[valid oxide]

Oh, CAs get 15% damage penalty

[hollow walrus]

she has the highest torp efficiency and one of the highest torp stats in the game for a cruiser iirc

[valid oxide]

She has good torps, crit rate and crit damage, just low stat

[little bobcat]

"15% damage reduction" is 15 DR, not 15% less dealt

the pin would've said 15% less dmg

[valid oxide]

Let me be EN

[little bobcat]

since the pin says

destroyers get 15% damage

[hollow walrus]

yeah it's 15% less damage taken

[little bobcat]

ye

[hollow walrus]

DDs take 25% less

[fickle echo]

Even the highest torp stat for a heavy cruiser is nothing compared to the average destroyer

[little bobcat]

you know what

fuck it

I'll just USE ibuki

I'll find out if shes truly shit

[hollow walrus]

295 lmao ye

[valid oxide]

You are gonna need to give her some speed auxes

[little bobcat]

yeah

[valid oxide]

Maybe gyro for hit stat

[little bobcat]

hold on

[stable dawn]

I oathed Ibuki just because she's cute smh

[valid oxide]

She realistically won't survive past her preload

[stable dawn]

[hollow walrus]

Why is Agir not really used in pvp. Is it because she'd eat the preloaded torps?

[stable dawn]

Agir is too thicc for her own good

[valid oxide]

Because ancho eats them better

[little bobcat]

^

[hollow walrus]

No I mean is it because she's heavy and she would suffer worse against torps is what I meant

[fickle echo]

Even her torps miss a lot so the slow isn't that useful

[valid oxide]

She is heavy and doesn't provide anything to the team

[hollow walrus]

are slows or stops even useful in pvp

[merry vale]

She is torp bait.

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/CNPe0VGx-EI
It's feels like Agir's slow doesn't even exist against fast vanguards

[floral wave]

but why

[little bobcat]

force cosmic kicks anch

and double boiler on juneau

maybe just drop rudder or oxytorp and do gyro like kenjii said

[hollow walrus]

what's that shield thing that appears

that's an item skin right

[fickle echo]

Yes, the only thing it does is to scare new players who don't know about it

[merry vale]

[hollow walrus]

I was scared of it when I first saw it but realized it did jack shit

[floral wave]

also what is this agir shaming smh

[hollow walrus]

what item is that from

[floral wave]

there was this rpg like event

with starters getting hero skins or some shit

[little bobcat]

I could use it maybe

[hollow walrus]

the rpg thing with the starters

[little bobcat]

I wanna spam skins

so I have the most overbearing obnoxious pvp ever

[hollow walrus]

what's the name of the item

[little bobcat]

idk

[keen juniper]

[little bobcat]

i think it's legit called the hero shield

if i open al rn ill get fired

[fickle echo]

Jobless Letan

[floral wave]

if i open al right now my other game will crash

[little bobcat]

I would be so sad

[keen juniper]

if i open al right now it would take so loong due poor connection

[little bobcat]

true

im on data rn

[hollow walrus]

yeah I don't have it

[little bobcat]

I got most of the auxes

from my recent events

[topaz citrus]

I got the Dracula coat thing and it looks so good on UvH

[keen juniper]

I missed something like golden dragon shield

[rustic bridge]

what mean this Set up better as 381mm he gun

[little bobcat]

spite is soooo squishy

god

that's gonna be my biggest issue with this fleet lol

she's just so squishy

[valid oxide]

Spite usually gets one salvo in then dips for me

2 if I'm super lucky

[little bobcat]

she's getting in 2 for me consistently

but this is from me resetting so that she

DOESN'T die to a fucking preload

i'm not gonna reset to get her to target perfectly or anything i just want her to not fucking die lmao

because she's such a crutch in this fleet, like she's consistently MVPing

[valid oxide]

In running her on a 20s gun though

[little bobcat]

ah that's probably why then

i'm running her on mk4

[valid oxide]

And she dies even with wnt on sushi

[little bobcat]

im using no wnt

[valid oxide]

Why?

[little bobcat]

mm

no reason honestly

i just decided to forego it

[valid oxide]

Wnt saves my ships I'm sure of it

[little bobcat]

this is what i'm using

i could run meeb

but like

this is really funny

[valid oxide]

I should get fdg and probably replace warkai

[little bobcat]

nah

keep warkai

she actually fills a pretty cool role

[valid oxide]

Corgi too squishy sometimes

[little bobcat]

i really like this bowgun mk4 set because she just snipes musashi and fdg before they get a chance to load

since mk4 outpaces 410 kai

iirc

[valid oxide]

I run a similar fleet to you, I use hiryuu instead of uni though

[little bobcat]

but this whole fleet is more like a meme

[valid oxide]

Also why aren't you using 357kai on sushi

[little bobcat]

pretty much i just got bored of constantly using meeb so i just decided

"fuck event ships"

[valid oxide]

Mood

[little bobcat]

you mean 356?

the blue gun?

[valid oxide]

356 yeah

[little bobcat]

idk honestly i just never chose to, i usually didn't mind the load time difference since the dmg gained from 410 kai was better for backline stuff

[valid oxide]

My fleet

[little bobcat]

i'd run 356 usually tho if i was smart

no angel's feather?

[valid oxide]

I've not been around for that long

[little bobcat]

ic

i started like a week before vanny

yea that flet seems fine but i'd swap noshi's aux

[valid oxide]

I started halfway through ssss gridman collab

[valid oxide]

To?

[little bobcat]

oh sorry

augment

you already have crossbow on juneau

and noshiro really likes the HIT

[valid oxide]

Il be switching to Aya soon anyway

[little bobcat]

ye that's fine

i only use aya because i already have her 125 and oathed

plus i have her augment

[valid oxide]

I still need to 125 aya

[little bobcat]

if it didnt take so much investment i'd be using yuki or noshiro prob

[valid oxide]

I'm only using noshiro because she was better than poi and she was in warchives when I made my first iteration of the fleet

[little bobcat]

understandable

i think all of the middle slots are pretty interchangable until you get shima

[valid oxide]

Back then I used amagi instead of corgi but it was incredibly cope

[little bobcat]

it all just boils down to whoever you decided to invest first because tbh they all just do the same thing

ooga booga torp

noshiro will probably survive later though

while ayanami can just instakill a backline

[valid oxide]

I only have torp aux on noshiro because she outlived ancho

[little bobcat]

there's not any other aux to use lol

outside of oxytorp

not until the magtorp aux decides to come back once perseus war archive comes along

[valid oxide]

It was annoying because she would either outlive manjuu ancho or heal ancho after manjuu already procced

[little bobcat]

i've had a few times where noshiros survive past anchorage and then clutch because pearl healed their backline lmao

[valid oxide]

Usually when they live that long my backline is dead

[little bobcat]

im surprised

musashi is tanky as fuck

maybe it's you having her flag

try wnt flag hiryuu maybe?

[valid oxide]

Its called enemy has BiS gear and URs while I dont

[little bobcat]

ur gear is more than enough

[valid oxide]

I used to run wnt hiryuu flag but she did nothing most of the time

I think when NJ comes around il replace warkai

[little bobcat]

idk if flag wnt hiryuu is a double cv only thing though

i'm not too experienced with synergy

[valid oxide]

Neither am i

All I know is that corgi tends to have more impact than amagi does

[little bobcat]

i kinda just run meeb and get the fight over with

only just now starting to experiment

and have fun

[valid oxide]

Its a game, having fun is it's purpose

[valid oxide]

You are running triple 240 on ancho, is it good?

I forgot to find out how new gear is in PvP

[little bobcat]

that's what i'm trying to find out xd

all i know is

+13 kursk gun beats +10 drek gun in heavy and med

but it falls way behind cheshy in light

so it might be better solely for situations of like

anchorage vs backline

[valid oxide]

Anchorage Vs anchorage

[little bobcat]

that too

[valid oxide]

I might run it, don't know if it will perform better than +11 chesh gun

[little bobcat]

i wouldn't bother

not until general opinion is out

[valid oxide]

What do I do at the start of the season to not go against people lower rank than me?

[stable dawn]

play the game more

[pseudo copper]

Can refresh once after like 1-3 mins after reset, which allows you to get a set of people that'll likely move, then you can just keep on riding rushers

[zinc phoenix]

How do the refreshes work?

[pseudo copper]

5 per day at daily reset

[zinc phoenix]

Or rather, how are they replenished… but you guessed it

[pseudo copper]

No counter, so you have to keep count

[trail temple]

Pro tip for pvp, don't listen to Quyet, his hot takes are horrible

[zinc phoenix]

I uh don’t use YouTube at all for AL, but did he say anything weird?

[trail temple]

When hasn't he said something weird

[zinc phoenix]

Idk I don’t use YouTube for AL

[trail temple]

Rhetorical question

[pseudo copper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901103255935942706/1020975486203068416/unknown.png?width=1392&height=553

[little bobcat]

?????????

and i thought my takes were bad

[trail temple]

Much to learn young padawan, you have

[pseudo copper]

Dw they are bad

Just that there is always worse

[lusty hill]

wtf who made this

[pseudo copper]

Quyet

He deleted the video after

[lusty hill]

I never seen anyone ever recommending bristol lol

[pseudo copper]

Bristol is quite good, but use in current comps somewhat limited

10% eva rate decent though

[topaz citrus]

[lusty hill]

isn't bristol eva debuff position locked? similar to helena meta timestop

[little bobcat]

i have a fleet idea but

im scared to say

[fickle echo]

[pseudo copper]

Is a region yeah

[trail temple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745143627608752179/984687391627444264/IMG_4209.png

[pseudo copper]

[merry vale]

[lusty hill]

when is that screenchot

[trail temple]

Back during Mafia dominance, so a fair while ago

[pseudo copper]

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxfXWMs1_qZ7cqq6jkT918eWm7BGiqhfEX

Under here

[lusty hill]

he should post it again like right now and make people use mafia again

[pseudo copper]

People still use mafia in Amagi

[merry vale]

I chuckle when I still see VV on a defense fleet.

[valid oxide]

Mafia in amagi is funny because even my awful fleet can kill it

[little bobcat]

I HAVE DECIDED

[trail temple]

There's definitely still some mafia fleets on Avrora

[little bobcat]

ACTUALLY WIATN O

MUST MAKE IT WORSE

[stable dawn]

use Taihou

[little bobcat]

ok

my planned fleet was

musashi/nano/aquila

but it is too competent

so thereofre

hold on let me just scroll through the ship list

[trail temple]

Musashi mafia?

[little bobcat]

i need to choose a victim

OH YEAH

you're my victim

[fickle echo]

[little bobcat]

you do nothing in pvp

therefore

must use

[trail temple]

Make an American fleet?

[little bobcat]

i would do yk2 enty nj if i had nj

that sounds funny

[trail temple]

Use Indep instead of NJ

[little bobcat]

oh real?

i could run that rn

[trail temple]

You don't have NJ, might as well

[little bobcat]

that sounds terrible enough

[fickle echo]

Use triple CV
https://youtu.be/DwKJ9NFHBbk

[little bobcat]

what are the chances that fleet wipes to a single aquila preload

[little bobcat]

that actually looks awesome

do u consider this stall oriented or

[fickle echo]

Depends on your lucky, if you keep winning the vanguard fight then you can just use 2 torpedo ships

[pseudo copper]

NJ soon anyways

[fickle echo]

I should have used another IJN ship instead of Harbin, forgot how Shinano skill works

[little bobcat]

oh yeah

impy does abolutely like

NOTHING

right

but she can hold double tenrai iirc

[pseudo copper]

She can't

Fighter/all planes/tb

[little bobcat]

oh right

i was thinking of uhh

[pseudo copper]

Wyvern higher crash anyways

[little bobcat]

yk2

[trail temple]

yk2 can hold double tenrai, yeah

[little bobcat]

that's funny

[fickle echo]

Just find out Cryst Alice's secret

[little bobcat]

musashi / spite / vanny

this sounds terrible

i love it

i like how a lot of pvp fleets you can just swap 1 ship and ruin the entire thing

[fickle echo]

[little bobcat]

wtf

ok

is that oathed vanny

[fickle echo]

I oathed her long ago

[little bobcat]

i wanna run that but i'd need triple 457

oh wiat

musashi

oops

mestupid

[valid oxide]

Give sushi confetti gun

[fickle echo]

I use Mk4 because I only have 1 457 +13

[little bobcat]

im about to get my second 457

but for now ill use mk4

who gets 457 priority?

[azure swan]

whats the 457

[little bobcat]

spite so she can snipe better?

[azure swan]

the twin ur?

[little bobcat]

yes

[fickle echo]

Yes, more fp on vanguard won't change much

[valid oxide]

Is there anything close to mk4 or do I just cope until I have it

[azure swan]

whats mk4

[valid oxide]

The thing before 457 in gearlabs

[little bobcat]

who wants the table?

for HIT

i assume musashi keeps it so she can wipe vanguard

[fickle echo]

There's Champagne gun but it's much slower

[valid oxide]

Champ gun it is then

[fickle echo]

Warspite isn't gonna survive more than Musashi anyway and VG damage is whatever

[little bobcat]

alr

[valid oxide]

Warspite is pretty squishy by PvP standards

[little bobcat]

she's very squishy

she dies to preloads

[valid oxide]

There have been times that she has died before Juneau for me

I've been lucky then, she manages a single salvo after preloads take most of her hp

[little bobcat]

unless wnt sashi?

also my torps are wrong mb

aya is on teatorps

idk if juneau still wants quints or if i can put quads on her now

[valid oxide]

If you have quints give her the quints

Also smh lv120 Aya and Juneau

[fickle echo]

You might wanna try anything that gives evasion on VG and something that gives evasion and hit on WarKai instead of the shells or they might die before they even fire

[valid oxide]

Wnt sushi, beaver VG and maybe SG radar on corgi?

[little bobcat]

they're both 125

i was just too lazy to edit

[little bobcat]

any recommendations?

[little bobcat]

aya is also oathed

[fickle echo]

Washing machine or the purple thing that gives evasion rate for VG and WNT or Fairy Magic on WK

[little bobcat]

fairy magic poster??

the np aux?

that's a

very unique choice

do i +13 it?

and albion exercise report on vanny?

[fickle echo]

Only if you plan on using at least 2 BB on your pvp fleets later or think Soyuz is coming soon

[little bobcat]

yeah

i don't mind

[valid oxide]

Are you using teatorp + blacktorp aux on Aya?

[little bobcat]

nope

waiting for black oxytorp tho

[valid oxide]

So what are you giving her

[little bobcat]

i don't actually have many issues with teatorp sniping a backline, if that's your worry

since that's actually its intention

[fickle echo]

And you might wanna chance the module for Waspite to sword for more hit if you feel like she's missing too much

[little bobcat]

i haven't had too many issues with spite missing, but i'll keep that in mind if it starts happening a bunch

tysm

[valid oxide]

You should end up with this then, no? Also yeah sword might also help warkai actually live to shoot her guns too

[little bobcat]

im doing this

[valid oxide]

Give vanguard Albion's exercise report then

[lusty hill]

what is that paper on warspite

[little bobcat]

that's fairy magic poster

[valid oxide]

Fairy magic poster

[little bobcat]

it's a northern parliament item

45 HIT 18 EVA at +13

if equipped by an NP ship, increases luck by 5

also, it reduces the first 3 hits of a battle to 1

it's nice for volga in w14, but that's about the only use i know of for it until now

[little bobcat]

i might, but my rudder is +12

[valid oxide]

5% Eva rate though

[lusty hill]

would the poster better than black shell on musashi?

[little bobcat]

true

[valid oxide]

What other aux would be on sushi?

[little bobcat]

warspite sniping musashi first salvo and just ending the battle immediately

oh how i love warkai

[fickle echo]

About that... You shouldn't snipe Musashi the damage isn't enough to kill her early you should snipe NJ instead

[little bobcat]

ik

[fickle echo]

[little bobcat]

but i had ayanami's teatorps hit her for like half

so the salvo did actually kill

[lusty hill]

I use gaming table and black shell, seems like eva on fairy poster would be cool especially since it also has high hit stats

[little bobcat]

sniping nj is preferred though

[valid oxide]

It would be better than black shell then. Eva is good for backliners in PvP

[trail temple]

People underrate the shells, ngl

[valid oxide]

Shells are good, but living is better

Should I give Albion's report to corgi and give hiryuu beaver or just keep beaver on corgi

[lusty hill]

yeah I'm sure that people sometimes put beaver on musashi

[valid oxide]

Sushi usually gets beaver or wnt

I currently run sushi flag with wnt

[fickle echo]

Albion's report doesn't give hit so she might miss and do no damage

[valid oxide]

Corgi also has the highest hit and luck stat of any BB

[fickle echo]

Meanwhile VG has a skill that buffs her hit anyway

[little bobcat]

i think i'm gonna use this fleet for now

not gonna change it until vanny gets 457

[valid oxide]

I think I have fairy poster

[little bobcat]

feeling pretty happy with clear times vs tanky fleets

[little bobcat]

you do

it ran very recently

and it was free

[valid oxide]

I can't remember if I kept it or not though

Il check

[fickle echo]

You underestimate the power of RNG for the enemy fleet

[valid oxide]

I kept it

[trail temple]

Living is great, you're right, and blowing a ship out of the water is a great way to live

[valid oxide]

Is beaver viable on hiryuu, I still want beaver but the only 2 spots for it now are ancho or hiryuu

And I kinda want to run heels on ancho in the future

[little bobcat]

is your harbin d30

[valid oxide]

D15

[little bobcat]

oh

i was abt to say

[neon bronze]

good day, what did i miss

[little bobcat]

you missed this legendary fleet

[valid oxide]

Idk if Avi gas beaver is enough damage for hiryuu

[fickle echo]

Me converting Letan to the 3BB cult

[valid oxide]

2bb 1cv my favourite

Mostly because I don't have 3 good BBs or 2 good CVs

[neon bronze]

Kind of good for him

NJ is on the horizon, he practically doesn't have to change gear (except aux guns) on BBs

[fickle echo]

Her damage isn't that high anyway might go for survivability instead

[little bobcat]

i actually kinda wanna keep warkai in this

if nj runs, i'd probably replace vanny instead

idk who you were thinking of to be replaced

[valid oxide]

Il replace corgi with NJ when she runs

Corgi too cope for my liking

[neon bronze]

As long as you win. Nothing bad about it

[valid oxide]

I can win on attack and just put 0 gear META ships as defence so I'm doing ok

[neon bronze]

Get that AotN you wanted, Letan. And hope you mellow out or smth

[valid oxide]

I want aotn, I must get aotn with jank fleet

[little bobcat]

oh dont worry

im avoiding aotn now

[fickle echo]

[little bobcat]

i have to get my first aotn with a genuinely bad fleet

[valid oxide]

Gonna get your fleet put in the PvP guide smh

[little bobcat]

OH IT WONT GET PUT INTO THE PVP GUIDE

IT WILL BE TERRIBLE LOL

all im gonna hint at is

[valid oxide]

Get aotn with no ancho

[little bobcat]

now THAT

is asking too much

my friend

[valid oxide]

No URs then

[little bobcat]

but, imagine the comedy

[neon bronze]

I hope I could get AotN with one of the fleets Quyet featured

[little bobcat]

[fickle echo]

Not getting AotN at level 92 with no Ancho smh

[neon bronze]

But that requires NJ

[little bobcat]

i don't think any of you understand how truly terrible this is

[neon bronze]

Manjuu NJ

[little bobcat]

like

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Yamashiro_META

go read her skills

and then look at her stats and eff

[valid oxide]

She damages herself for shit barrages and has pitiful stats while still being one of the best purple meta ships iirc

[little bobcat]

she is THE best purple meta ship

not even joking

out of all the purple meta ships, she is the only one you can even vaguely consider usable

[valid oxide]

Isn't the purple meta with the cross fleet useable too?

[little bobcat]

not really

she would be good if she didn't self damage so much

she has an 11s yamato gun load, just for context

[fickle echo]

Just use the best DD: ||L'indomptable||

[little bobcat]

oh wait actually?

real?

i want an excuse to level her

[wicked surge]

+10 Susei is still better then +13 tenrai on nano right ?

[little bobcat]

i prefer comet on her period

if double wyvern

because load time

[winged depot]

[little bobcat]

hacked tbh

[neon bronze]

Uoh.

Nice

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

FlaccidTorp is a hacker? Shame on you, FT is just a very skilled newbie

[pseudo copper]

@modern flare is indeed a hacker

[little bobcat]

so just to confirm

wait until 10 -> do 5 -> loop until last day of pvp -> do all 10 once at 10

[pseudo copper]

P much

[little bobcat]

or do all 10 at once

[pseudo copper]

Just make sure to check once in a while to see if anyone moved and getting a bonus off them

Doing all 10 means you are less likely to gain bonuses and more likely to eat -1s/2s

[little bobcat]

ah

ic

[pseudo copper]

If you are just going for AotN

Can do bag, bag, rush for set you sleep on

[little bobcat]

nah i don't sleep long enough to ever get two resets worth of attempts

while asleep

[pseudo copper]

Well then bag all you can, more bonuses means more room for error just in case

[little bobcat]

alr

[flat veldt]

These hackers are RUINING my PvP experience I missed my AotN so many times because of them.

[winged depot]

[neon bronze]

[trail temple]

A former number 1 getting destroyed by newbies

[keen juniper]

[lusty hill]

I wish these hackers share their hacking methods

[trail temple]

Then everyone would hack and you will take a minimum of 2 hours to beat Famine's fleet

Even though everyone is now hacking

[stable dawn]

I'll share mine.
When I PvP... I don't look away from the screen.

[keen juniper]

I found looking at my tea torp killing one of the backline is satisfying

[hidden robin]

you look at the screen while playing AL? Such sacrilege!!

[candid sluice]

shimakaze

[keen juniper]

What’s the point of buying those skins if you don’t look at the screen

[valid oxide]

To force other people to look at them

[whole salmon]

81 cut off

Mbruh season

[neon bronze]

Gg

[keen juniper]

people overcapped

[winged depot]

Happens

[stable dawn]

[fickle echo]

[trail temple]

Avrora died

Pretty low scores

[stable dawn]

pvp is dead

3 people on EN were 2595 or higher

[trail temple]

Quyet beat everyone who was trying

and he doesn't even know how to play the game (pvp)

[stable dawn]

I guess we have to use Bristol now in pvp

[steel coral]

< TW

[neon bronze]

Last Quyet vudeo was posted 11 days ago

[pseudo copper]

I'll share mine. I kissed Famine to absorb .01% of his skill

[topaz citrus]

toosic PvP chat

[lusty hill]

how do I kiss famine

[pseudo copper]

You just kiss him or go further by pinging him and making your move

[trail temple]

You manage to derail a pvp conversation into sexual harrassment

[pseudo copper]

I got asked for advice and I gave

[trail temple]

[neon bronze]

sasuga deathkt

[lusty hill]

with the amount of shitposting on this channel do someone ever get banned here lol

[empty mesa]

One Persy enjoyer.

[candid sluice]

even in retirement famine can still get r1

[trail temple]

Honestly, I wouldn't push it. It only takes one person who isn't happy and you'll be under the microscope of every mod here

[trail temple]

Step 1: Read pinned document
Step 2: Use suggested fleets to win exercises. If missing certain ships, refer to budget section for permanently available ships
Step 3: Profit

[empty mesa]

Step 1: Read
Failed on step one.

[trail temple]

I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink it

[candid sluice]

you lost me at step one

[trail temple]

You made the document, you don't have to read

[candid sluice]

true good point

[merry vale]

You're asking people to read? What an unreasonable bastard.

[valid oxide]

I fucked myself over for this season, ggs

[candid sluice]

its literally day 1

[valid oxide]

I did bad on day one, I don't trust myself to do good after day one

[candid sluice]

thats not even a horrible start

[merry vale]

135ish seems kinda average if you get 1 mover.

[valid oxide]

At least it ain't the worst for my terrible fleet

[stable dawn]

quitting day 1, now that's a real strat

[valid oxide]

What do I do after reset btw, wait or rush

[keen juniper]

Bag

[valid oxide]

How do I bag

I'm still practically a new player for PvP

[merry vale]

Stay above 5/10 exercises, check back to see if people move, if not message them asking them politely to do the rest of their pvp's.

Dump down to 5/10 5-10 minutes before the reset if possible.

The entire point is to wait around for people to move so you can bag points off them.

You have to reset your game to update the ladder when you check them.

[candid sluice]

just attack whenever the leftmost is enough for bonus

[neon bronze]

Either you rush or you bag.

2nd week is what matters if you do your bonuses right later on

[dapper dock]

Hey, I just read the guide and was wondering what the optimal strategy was for exercises is it to strike when they move or wait until the end and move at once? Because at the end it feels like there is only 1 mover + rest within range.

Also does +13 make a difference over +10 I thought the bonuses only applied to operation siren from the description.

[stable dawn]

it's actually a combination of the two.
When someone moves, attack them for bonus.
Then wait until the end if nobody else moves and roll down to 5/10

[whole salmon]

Strike whenever they move. Move all at once to 5/10 before the set

[stable dawn]

also +13 increases the stats for a lot of items, especially auxes

[whole salmon]

You have to be flexible

Sometimes people may not move

Or sometimes people may not move enough for you to get a bonus

So it is difficult for you to get consistent 3 bonuses per set

Just strike whenever possible, move to 5/10 before set is over, that’s it

[whole salmon]

+13 does have a difference

A big difference at that

[dapper dock]

Got it. Thanks for explaining that. How much of a rank difference would I need to get all bonus points?

Based on that I could attack early.

[whole salmon]

It isn’t a difference in rank

It is a difference in points

It is hard to get exact point difference on week 1 but when it is on week 2, you can just check top 100 leaderboard to calc

[dapper dock]

Ah, so if I want to go for admiral of the navy. If I hit the left most fleet look for movers and bag until 10 mins this week. Then rush on the day of admiral of the navy, that's the best strategy right now?

[hollow walrus]

How viable is Plymouth in pvp

[frigid hamlet]

The strategy is to message the people on your list to ask them to move

[fickle echo]

She needs to survive at least 10s to do anything since she doesn't have preload torps and even when she survives her debuff barrage might target a Ancho with Manjuu and end up being useless

[hidden robin]

step 0.5: learning alphabets.

[hollow walrus]

Ah. Also another question: In the pvp guide under PR ships, why is seattle there?

[whole salmon]

Seattle used to be meta for a time

She isn’t anymore

[hollow walrus]

I know what Anchovy and Fdg brings but why is seattle under budget build?

[neon bronze]

It's viable

Also, do it to feed your server's baggers during AotN rush.

[fickle echo]

Seattle was used as the main tank before Ancho was released

[hollow walrus]

hold on Seattle can tank?

[whole salmon]

It was during quite a weird time

After NJ’s release but before Ancho’s release

[fickle echo]

CLs get buffed by pvp mechanics

[hidden robin]

Seattle backthen caused surprise for many people due to how she has so much HP as a CL

[whole salmon]

There’s no Shima

So at that time

You would run Mafia

[hollow walrus]

Hmm

[whole salmon]

But since there’s no Ancho

Now we have an extra slot

And that’s when Seattle came in

But that’s the old days back when Nagato was still considered meta

[hollow walrus]

I'm currently running a mostly USS fleet with Uni as my cope preload while waiting for NJ and leveling Aquila

[whole salmon]

Like if we look back in the timeline

Certain ships are meta but aren’t anymore

Like Jintsuu Naganami torp era

Before the release of manjuu and wnt

Pvp has been to some weird places

[hidden robin]

i just wish they fix the scoring system so i don't have to sandbag anymore

score earned by RNG is bullshit tbh

[whole salmon]

Neptune and Saint Louis were our strongest tanks back in the day

But now they are extinct

Azuma was our next strongest tank

Now also extinct

Seattle is like that as well

But ig they are still considered “budget”

[neon bronze]

heard smth about building your seattle right, she becomes tanky af. Was Manjuu Seattle used?

in those weird times

[hidden robin]

perhaps it's about she could tank the CVs back then

[hollow walrus]

I'm looking at the untiered/historical one in the guide and I'm wondering why this was a thing

[fickle echo]

Did you get all the gold Italian ships from last event?

[hollow walrus]

Only Aquila and Duca

the only other Italian I have is Littorio

[whole salmon]

It was something weird like

[hidden robin]

i once tried so hard to time Formi's timestop right with other CVs

[whole salmon]

Juneau Suzutsuki Seattle

During the Nagato Shinano Hiryuu era

[hidden robin]

as defense fleet it just didn't work well

[neon bronze]

Got Musashi?

[hollow walrus]

only played 1 week after Musashi's event

[whole salmon]

Like if you go back during the dinosaur days

[hollow walrus]

Had this acct for 2 years then but only sporadically logged in

[whole salmon]

There was even a time when we run VH Armor Hiryuu to stop Warkai

Or VH Amagi

But we don’t talk about those days anymore

[hollow walrus]

this is currently what I'm running rn

[whole salmon]

[fickle echo]

You can try using Ancho/Ayaya/Duca with Aquila for a more offensive fleet and use Warspite retro with them until you get NJ

[hidden robin]

i think you should post your backliners to see if people can suggest something for you?

[whole salmon]

Suzutsuki was once used to counter Aquila

[hidden robin]

just go to dock and filter "backliner"

[whole salmon]

Aquila and torp comp was the thing that killed CBs in pvp

Suzutsuki was used to counter preload for a time

Until we got Ancho

[hidden robin]

that's why VV with only Aquila is dangerous for Ancho

cuz' VV's 40% reload would not overlap her shield

just too bad VV just wouldn't survive too long to cause more havoc

[hollow walrus]

My Ayanami is like underleveled

Currently trying to get FdG quickly to 120 so I can use her instead of like Indep

[fickle echo]

You can use Juneau for now but without at least 1 torpedo focused vanguard on your fleet you're gonna struggle against strong opponents

[stable dawn]

just use Harbin

[hollow walrus]

pretty much. Haven't broken to Admiral yet. Highest was Vice Admiral at rank 103

[stable dawn]

[hollow walrus]

Don't have her. Again I basically started 1 week after Musashi

[stable dawn]

she's PR5. Permanent content. Play at your own pace.

[whole salmon]

You just need to get some bonuses and not lose/overcap to the Aotn

Just play it safe

[fickle echo]

You should keep Indep unless you wanna replace her with Aquila or Hiryuu and use with FDG+Warspite, she's pretty good if you're using another carrier

[whole salmon]

No need to do 10 mins before set moves or anything

Just get bonuses and move whenever you feel like it

[neon bronze]

Well I lost quite a lot
But got a lot of bonuses when I got my first AotN

[whole salmon]

Sometimes when I already got +1 set, I just move like 2 hours early

Just play it safe and you will succeed

[neon bronze]

That in midseason, right?

[stable dawn]

tbf you forgot to look at the screen

💀

[whole salmon]

Late season as well

Ari knows how early I move

[hollow walrus]

Well I've already achieved my goal of having achieved a higher rank than my friend so I'm happy.

[whole salmon]

I even move 3 hours before set on eos at one point

Just play it safe, don’t lose or overcap, that’s it

[fickle echo]

Pink Sugar of the safe moving

[hollow walrus]

Hiryuu wants to be flag right?

[hidden robin]

good thing about AotN is the title staying on your profile forever

[fickle echo]

Yes, since you don't have Musashi she's the best option for flagship

[hollow walrus]

So I should run NJ, Aquila, Hiryuu with Hiryuu flag?

[fickle echo]

No, don't use Aquila+Hiryuu pick one of them and use with BB or Indep

[hollow walrus]

Stupid question but while waiting for like NJ rerun who would be the best USS BB I can use if I want to just use all USS

[candid sluice]

uss bbs other than nj suck

[fickle echo]

I don't think any of the USS BB is strong enough to defeat the current meta fleets aside from NJ

Even triple CV would be better if you wanna try full USS and doesn't have NJ

[hollow walrus]

Only USS main fleet I have leveled rn

[whole salmon]

Yorktown 2, Indep, Enterprise

[hidden robin]

at least use Enterprise since she has cheat death

[whole salmon]

I still recommend not using full USS

[fickle echo]

Ever since the UR ship spam full faction fleets got a lot worse in PvP then they were already

[hollow walrus]

yeah I've been using her since the start. have won me a lot of battles with her Lucky E

Once against a remaining Musashi and NJ with like 25% HP left on all 3 ships

[hidden robin]

man i never forget the legendary battle between 2 enterprises back in the old day

[topaz citrus]

Imagine using faction fleet in pvp

[hidden robin]

anyway, i've checked the list, yeah only NJ is a good USS BB

if you want another USS girl just go with Enty

[fickle echo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1064232037797597324/1064408519308234792/Screenshot_20230116-0151072.png

[topaz citrus]

NJ is just too strong, not that other USS BB sucks

[hollow walrus]

hold on what

how lmao

[topaz citrus]

legit

[hidden robin]

i have a feeling they have shit gears

[whole salmon]

I think if we talk about full faction

The only time when a full faction was meta was IJN era

Now we have moved to half IJN and half USS

[hidden robin]

hah, back when Nagato is considered S tier cuz' of her faction buff

her buff alone

[whole salmon]

When Shinano came out

Nagato was quite ridiculous

The IJN faction buff on Shinano makes everything else obsolete

[hidden robin]

Nagato + Shinano + Hiryuu

[whole salmon]

Not to mention back before Aquila came out, we have no way of spotting aside from beating enemy frontline

While Shinano outclassed all other CVs by a long mile at the time

It truly was hell

[topaz citrus]

Shinano-less skk

[hidden robin]

was CV detection range released when Shinano was released?

[whole salmon]

Yea

It was Shinano

With CV detection

And soon after, we got Wyverns in OPSI

Once you get 2 Wyvern Shinano running, it was mbruh

Nowadays, people have plenty of Wyverns

Back then your next best option is Barracuda

[hidden robin]

now it's bargette breguet

[hollow walrus]

Wait why do some of the CVs in the mainfleet equip have beacon as a situational equip

[whole salmon]

Used to

Not anymore tho

You can still run it but I recommend against it

[fickle echo]

It was used back when launching early made difference because of Shinano

Now you should be more worried about your carriers being able to survive long enough to launch at least 1 airstrike before dying

[keen juniper]

Now I don’t wait Airstrike since I’m using 3 BB

[little bobcat]

3 bb has been fun so far

[fickle echo]

[hidden robin]

imagine using 3 BBs then all 6 vanguards sunk but the opponents' CV hadn't been detected yet.

[keen juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/lyqa-team-lyqa-lyqa-maravilla-restart-always-a-good-time-to-restart-gif-18894676

[fickle echo]

Just tank the airstrike and kill then from full hp

[keen juniper]

you won’t tank 100% proc Enty

[fickle echo]

There won't be 100% proc Enty if enough torps hit her at the start

[little bobcat]

^^^^

[hidden robin]

there won't be enough torp hit her if the vanguards eat them all.

[keen juniper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/545844166433701888/992114657617776650/Shimakaze-Dies-2.gif

[fickle echo]

There won't be a vanguard to hide her if they all die to torps

[pseudo copper]

If your vanguard dies while using triple BB as an attacker, you deserve to lose

[fickle echo]

Just kill all the backline and then you don't even to win the vanguard fight

[trail temple]

If a meta triple BB fleet loses to triple CV, they not only deserve to lose, they should uninstall the game

[pseudo copper]

Delete acc first then uninstall

[little bobcat]

no one is moving

[fickle echo]

Welcome to the world of sandbagging

[little bobcat]

should i friend them and ask them to move

[fickle echo]

Collusion

[little bobcat]

[trail temple]

Only if your name is Kenny, otherwise unethical

[hidden robin]

i regret not keeping the pic of an opponent's Juneau being the last one not sinking

[fickle echo]

Still not op as Javelin

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974751857585045616/1025273738117263380/Screenshot_20220930-020758.png

[little bobcat]

why did javelin survive

[fickle echo]

I still ask myself that to this day

[lusty hill]

Probably cuz she has high amount of eva and eva buff skill

[little bobcat]

NO ONE IS MOOOOOOOOVING

im about to

just use these remaining 4

[fickle echo]

What is even your list?

[little bobcat]

no one smart

im prob just gonna do 1 and wait more

[trail temple]

[fickle echo]

You know you can check the number of exercises they've done to know how likely they're to move, right?

[little bobcat]

im lazy

[fickle echo]

[trail temple]

CV detection came out with Opsi

Shinano came earlier

[whole salmon]

Still close enoufh

[trail temple]

Still had a good 3 months where you did see Namaginano comps running around, They died once Opsi came out

[whole salmon]

Lexington probably behind but I still saw quite a lot of Noshiro Naganami Jintsuu frontlines

Nagato Hiryuu Shinano comps still persisted all the way up until Mafia came out

Ik this because this was around the time when I first met Plasma

[little bobcat]

what would be the worst server for pvp in your opinion

like playerbase wise

etc etc

[hidden robin]

Avrora ofc

the oldest server full of day-1 veterans

[little bobcat]

where does lexington fit into everything

[trail temple]

No one (worth their salt) cares on Avrora anymore

Most of the top 10 from the season before last didn't make it last season

[whole salmon]

Lexington currently then overcaps do happen often

Cutoff is quite low

So chances of you reaching eos isn’t hard

[pseudo copper]

Depends on your definition, deadest is Sandy followed by Washi

[whole salmon]

It would be easier if you join the agency and let people help you figure out mover’s pattern or help with collusion

But if you are going in solo then there’s a chance where the usual members may block you out of eos

If enough of them are playing that season

[winged depot]

amagi t10 been constantly 2585 since last season of 2022 so its just a good luck thing from us

[neon bronze]

what the fuck is an agency

[whole salmon]

Collusion group

[little bobcat]

you guys are speaking a language rn and it's definitely not english

[whole salmon]

Basically a place where a lot of consistent eos player

[trail temple]

Agency

[hidden robin]

holy crap you guys are mentioning things that i've never heard of before

like i don't understand crap xDD

me playing for 4 years non stop and a few conversation made me feel like a cave man.

[fickle echo]

The pvp iceberg

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745143627608752179/1020325127466000404/pvpIceberg_r3.png

[hidden robin]

i literally know nothing starting from EoS and deeper.

[fickle echo]

[lusty hill]

Manjuu on NJ is probably the most annoying thing in pvp only second to shimakaze

what's the agency?

[trail temple]

Manjuu NJ is child's play

[trail temple]

Ninjas losing the plot, ignore it

[fickle echo]

[keen juniper]

Manjuu NJ the best meta

[trail temple]

So meta the spreadsheet authors think it's situational at best

[hidden robin]

washing machine meta

[neon bronze]

Time to learn

Join ALM

[keen juniper]

Situational on NJ or Enty 100% lucky E proc with Manjuu

[pseudo copper]

Spreadsheet authors obv not as good

[trail temple]

Why would you provide two bad examples?

Manjuu Anchorage is the way

[trail temple]

Spreadsheet authors obv know what they're talking about

[keen juniper]

have you tried Manjuu NJ?

[trail temple]

Yes, and that's why I am telling you it's not as good as manjuu anchorage

Tried it during Mafia meta, tried it during zoomer meta and tried during Musashi meta

[keen juniper]

My Anchorage has most survivability in my fleet, so she doesn’t need that Manjuu, NJ can provide me better clutch situations

[stable dawn]

Manjuu NJ is literally a meme bro

smh believing Famine's lies

[candid sluice]

i see manju nj free win