pvp

[dense eagle]

But ye it really helps you out

[neon bronze]

how do i whale in this game

i want rings and stuff

i was told skins give a minor stat buff?

[trail temple]

Weren't you going to beg Death for money so you can whale?

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

iirc, i didn't

just talk about theft and "free nitro"

[stable dawn]

death is a billionaire, might as well beg

[trail temple]

Robbing someone is basically begging for money for an Australian

[pseudo copper]

I'll go take some money from Death too

[neon bronze]

No way Death's going to tour a backwater country

[little bobcat]

i think i just lost 5 lol

cant tell

[fickle echo]

You should just use Implicit's tech and go to 4/10 before the reset so you'll start at 9/10 unless you overcap

[trail temple]

Use rusher tech and go to 0, you will never overcap unless you skip 2 sets

[little bobcat]

usually i do that, but i was busy today

[stable dawn]

use the stryk tech. Overcap every reset so you can ignore pvp.

[candid sluice]

Use the uninstall the game tech

[neon bronze]

Current score and amount of exers atm?

[little bobcat]

doing opsi rn but i just used all my attempts while zoned out

ill lyk in a sec

[neon bronze]

oh yea, blud's sleeping atm in superior west coast timezone

[little bobcat]

1019

so yeah def missed 5

[neon bronze]

No more exers?

[little bobcat]

nope

[neon bronze]

Rip. Better luck next time

[little bobcat]

sadge

[pseudo copper]

Can still get Admiral of the Anvy

[neon bronze]

Fuck

I refreshed off a bonus

[empty mesa]

Getting bonus is unethical.

[nocturne zephyr]

Does Implacable have any place in a solid PVP fleet

[mystic salmon]

Implac>shinano?

[uncut agate]

no

[neon bronze]

if she was then we would've seen adoption by now

[uncut agate]

no

[pseudo copper]

Doesn't Iris have you blocked?

[uncut agate]

no

[pseudo copper]

[pseudo copper]

When the backline starts moving then sure

[lusty hill]

they should add new mechanic where backline can run away when shimakaze gets near

[candid sluice]

essex already does that

[trail temple]

Are your secondary guns ornamental pieces or something?

[stable dawn]

maybe they use triple CB vanguard

[winged depot]

Lel

[lusty hill]

secondary BB gun aren't match with shimakaze bullshit torps

[winged depot]

[hardy jacinth]

shimakaze torps are really something

[candid sluice]

just put torp bulges on your backline

[neon bronze]

kapag makita mo na :ppoverheat: when you see it :ppoverheat:

[valid oxide]

Based circle game enjoyer

[keen juniper]

@jovial pond Hi, do you have any PvP attemps left? lel

[little bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870866122428256256/1086393992654102559/Azur_Lane_2023-03-17-10-43-39.jpg

@neon bronze

had this ealrier

[trail temple]

Actually, they melt her pretty quickly. Can always use a HE secondary if Shimakaze is that much of an issue

[winged depot]

B-but shima too strong

[steel coral]

[valid oxide]

Shimas purpose in a fleet is to dump preload then die

[floral wave]

no

thats ayanami

plus shima provides quite a bit of speed to frontline

[steel coral]

only slightly faster than aya

both have 48

but shima's skill gives the vanguard an extra 3

[floral wave]

yeah, but aya just dies

and shima lives longer with that extra speed

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/nyoom-neil-tyson-degrasse-speech-gif-13933547

[steel coral]

400 more health, 20 more eva, 15% dmg reduction

[candid sluice]

shima is used for her psychological attacks

she makes the enemy shiver in their timbers

[steel coral]

quaking in my timbs

[tacit fox]

what gear changes be made to this attack fleet? (other than +13)

[candid sluice]

tenrai

[neon bronze]

yeah, tenrai and flapjack fighter for hiryuu
can run hiryuu in mid and give her wnt

[tacit fox]

why is wnt hiryuu better than sashi?

[neon bronze]

final counter shenanigans, and in my experience that helps clears opposing fleets a bit faster. wnt is for consistency, and decreasing dmg spikes; very little chance needing to reset. you can run feather on her but it will be a bit less consistent.

meanwhile you could swap musashi top to bottom, and vice versa to deal with a backline ship you want dispatched asap. the lightning usually beats frontlines ships anyway

[tacit fox]

I see, ty

white shell on musashi, then? or a defensive aux

[neon bronze]

still defensive aux

[valid oxide]

I'm fine to use an offensive aux with pearl on noshiro so she doesn't die to slowly right?

Also oathed ancho moment

[empty mesa]

Cutting it real close here, bro.

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/is-this-loss-me-on-my-way-loss-run-fast-gif-22993312

[keen juniper]

Clucth, thanks to being USS she’s using manjuu

[neon bronze]

What's the reasoning behind MSN, Harbin variant? I don't get it

[floral wave]

kill shit faster?

its not shinano + hiryuu to require juneau

[stable dawn]

it counters yakuza

literally wins by shinano first airstrike

downside is it isn't as consistent in an MSN mirror match

[empty mesa]

Is it? Shina often ded before her first AS.

[stable dawn]

Are you using WNT?

[empty mesa]

No.

[stable dawn]

That would explain it

[neon bronze]

ah i see

i do like my consistency w/ Shinano fleets. Seemed alien to me

That ppl would run Harbin in MSN to counter Yakuza

Thanks Bongo

[stable dawn]

I still prefer just using Juneau imo

[neon bronze]

Ye, same

Just beats up Yakuza fine

[stable dawn]

Harbin gets you some very flashy very quick wins, but it's not worth the random "Retry once at 2m"

[pseudo copper]

Harbin is hotter

= better

[floral wave]

the real reason

[winged depot]

Social credit +1000

[zenith lantern]

Harbin better with preloads/early strikes, Juneau+WNT better when you’re using slower CVs. But sometimes you’re not fighting any hard fleets and Harbin gives you faster matches you’re going to win anyway

[neon bronze]

Meeb

[winged depot]

[hardy jacinth]

whoa u just juneau at that lervel?

[merry vale]

Saint Juneau dies for everyone's sins.

[neon bronze]

[trail temple]

Harbin > Juneau

@floral wave certified

[topaz citrus]

First time getting Vice Admiral

Musashi & Shinano non-havers

[neon bronze]

pogU

[candid sluice]

shimakaz haver

[neon bronze]

Can get AotN because of Shima. Go get it

[stable dawn]

[topaz citrus]

Do I attack now or wait 15-20mins?

[stable dawn]

it's long reset. You can wait 11h tbh

[topaz citrus]

It just reset for me

So I just hoard entries for now?

[hollow walrus]

Yey first time

[winged depot]

[stable dawn]

[keen juniper]

New blood

[trail temple]

Do MK Ultra fleet with NJ instead of Musashi

[pseudo copper]

It just reset for all of us, reset times are same for all players

[topaz citrus]

me dumdum

[merry vale]

[nocturne zephyr]

Would you mind if I just sent my dock here and you could help me out with my backline? Not looking to top the leaderboards, just for consistent wins. I know what to do in terms of vanguard (I think)

[little bobcat]

someone tell him there's a guide in the pins

also he doesn't have musashi

[keen juniper]

I tell you to don’t quit after overcapped

[nocturne zephyr]

What?

[keen juniper]

Just show your dock with filters main ship and viable lvls any kind soul in this channel mayhaps help you

[nocturne zephyr]

Will do. I suppose it's not much of an issue anymore due to the way multiple embeds are displayed on newer clients

[uncut agate]

I'm very bad at suggesting fleets, maybe someone else can help, just post your dock

[nocturne zephyr]

👌

[nocturne zephyr]

I also have Jenaeu. Unsure of any other relevant elites/rares

Also ignore dev level and ship level

[keen juniper]

Consistent win backline? FDG, Seydlizt, Warspite perhaps

[stable dawn]

No Aquila?

[nocturne zephyr]

No.

[little bobcat]

huge skill issue

[keen juniper]

You can use Triple canon for Sey, and twin for others , just look at the pinned post for gears

[hollow walrus]

Would Enty, NJ, Aquila work as a backline?

[keen juniper]

I suggest ditch Enty with other BB so Aquila preload can unhide enemy CV , then both BB can finish them quick

[hollow walrus]

So Warspite retro would be good there?

[keen juniper]

Yes

[hollow walrus]

Just waiting for NJ rerun since I still don't have her

[keen juniper]

Wait? Why you ask this then?

[hollow walrus]

Planning ahead or smth

[keen juniper]

[hollow walrus]

[gaunt sparrow]

Is the Manjuu auxiliary BiS on Juneau?

[topaz citrus]

NJmagi kinda stronk

[keen juniper]

You can read the pinned post

[gaunt sparrow]

Thanks for pointing me to it. Looks like that gear should be taken by Anchorage instead

[nocturne zephyr]

FdG/Seyd/WarKai
Not quite what I was expecting

[keen juniper]

Have you using the gears that I’ve pointed?

[frigid hamlet]

Probably can't see it because did they blocked saltyarrow?

[stable dawn]

why would anyone block salty?

[pseudo copper]

Iris blocked me so

[frigid hamlet]

For you specifically, it's understandable

[pseudo copper]

I am the cutest person around

[nocturne zephyr]

I know what gears to use, I just wasn't expecting to still use Seyd/WarKai

[clear briar]

[keen juniper]

What did you expected? you don’t have Musashi, NJ, Aquila, your FDG isn’t D30/FS5 yet, and I dunno what Vanguard you’re using

[nocturne zephyr]

Why are you being a dick about it. I just said it was unexpected

I also said to ignore levels and development level

[keen juniper]

I’m just trying to help you

[nocturne zephyr]

Then change your manor.
I'll use what you have suggested, and I will change my vanguard to fit.

[keen juniper]

if you’re wanting consistency, there’s 100% winning rate if you looking at the battle and hit the pause button, even with a fully crap fleet

[pseudo copper]

Stop being a dick bro, gotta say it is a way to not hurt feelings smh

[keen juniper]

[neon bronze]

got SaltyArrow on my 9/10, i moved

i'd want to but irl gaming

[pseudo copper]

Should ping Salty to move

Ez

[neon bronze]

Nah

For the meantime

[winged depot]

giving actual advice = being a dick about it.

[stable dawn]

ALO pvp amirite

[winged depot]

what a snowflake

[lusty hill]

truly player vs player moment

[little bobcat]

this is just how iris is

they have almost every single reliable person in #gameplay-help blocked xd

[winged depot]

why am I not surprised about that

[little bobcat]

they ask for help, ask why you gave them that answer, then try to explain why you're wrong or they say you're being a dick when you explain why you gave them said answer

[winged depot]

yeah he should block us all here so he can go 1 v 1 with saltybelfast

[little bobcat]

yep

[frigid hamlet]

clearly 90% of people here are lacking in social tact. Why can't you just be in the 10%?

[winged depot]

we still do advice no, it just gets rowdy when there is a hot take

[pseudo copper]

You mean .5%?

[frigid hamlet]

why did you ping me with something as useless as that? Blocked

[pseudo copper]

Bc I need you to block me

[winged depot]

[pseudo copper]

Gotta be the asshole I am

[frigid hamlet]

🏃‍♂️

[frigid hamlet]

i have some content, definitely pvp related

[pseudo copper]

Send

[candid sluice]

im done u can move

[neon bronze]

Yeah I am not using Meeb and Juneau IF this guy moves for me

[trail temple]

[little bobcat]

meme fleet

peak

[lusty hill]

dude said no abusing Juneau but put her right up front for bullying

[little bobcat]

i say keep abusing her

[little bobcat]

yeah let's see what happens when shima + harbin preload comes out

[stable dawn]

does it count as abuse if your Juneau never actually dies?

[pseudo copper]

My Juneau never dies

So no

[little bobcat]

juneau now lives with permanent injuries

that will give her trauma for the rest of her life

[floral wave]

just use the best cl instead

[trail temple]

I use Sandy a lot ngl

[floral wave]

[little bobcat]

i like myself some phoenix in pvp

[trail temple]

I mean, she is numbah 1 bro, she's definitely talking about being the best CL

[frigid hamlet]

Sandy wut? Have you heard of Kent?

not a CL, I mean helena

[candid sluice]

i agree just use noshiro

[trail temple]

Noshiro is pretty based, and her artist deserves a UR. But Sandy is numbah 1

Therefore she is best CL

[winged depot]

I disagree, its

[pseudo copper]

I already am using you

[stable dawn]

damn, not naming her vov?

[lusty hill]

would naming ship after someone give their power to the ship

[azure swan]

real

[winged depot]

its to show that you have them in your harem

like death has

[stable dawn]

when death names a ship after you, he takes your soul

[neon bronze]

What soul to get from AL pvp?

[gritty quiver]

ddg or sandy better for pvp

cuz ive been using sandy and she cope as hell

[stable dawn]

give her the rainbow AA gun

[hidden robin]

try testing both

me personally wouldn't bring Sandy into pvp yet since the current meta pvp fleets have more BBs than CVs

[gaunt girder]

Done

[neon bronze]

Yeah, I moved earlier. Rip

[stable dawn]

[winged depot]

can you get to 1655 next set

tnx in advance

[gaunt girder]

I would be at 1665 but I lost a fight early on and lost -20

[winged depot]

that's ok, just get +20 on next one

[gritty quiver]

would u prefer supports or more tanks then

[hidden robin]

how about both

[stable dawn]

you only need one tank and that's anchorage. Everyone else should be a dps

it's dps meta bois

[gritty quiver]

anchorage + agir + heinrich real

[valid oxide]

Hein and Ägir do less damage because of PvP mods

Ancho is just there to never die

[keen juniper]

[valid oxide]

My oathed ancho bullies backliners it's so fun

[empty mesa]

Ancho? Backliners?

[hidden robin]

gives ancho a triple 234mm and she can punch even Musashi

[keen juniper]

Against most fleet ancho only surviving and doesn’t do any significant dmg to backliner

[hidden robin]

not significant, but still a damage contribution

just a micro-meter of health bar, or a milisecond is enough to decide whether you win or not

[trail temple]

[lusty hill]

ancho contribution is to protect shimakaze which then will annihilate backline

[keen juniper]

but I don’t have Shimakaze

[neon bronze]

🔥 🔥 ✍️ 🔥 🔥

[topaz citrus]

First time Admiral

Amagi saved my ass more than she should lmao

[winged depot]

good job, now admiral of the navy

[topaz citrus]

0/10

Iirc I lose like 2 times this whole season

[keen juniper]

Admiral of the navy this Saturday

You can do it

[topaz citrus]

[pseudo copper]

You don't use Minty to bully backliners?

She is tank + dps + support bro

[empty mesa]

My Minty is usually ded before she can bully them.

[pseudo copper]

[valid oxide]

Who is minty?

[nocturne zephyr]

Perhaps a dumb question, but how can I get as much Merit as possible. Battle the opponent who is furthest from me in terms of rank, battle right after attempt refreshes, and never miss a refresh?

[sick moon]

always win against the one on the far left

[topaz citrus]

Pretty sure the guide have all the necessary info on how to get merit

[nocturne zephyr]

Fair enough, thought it was that simple. Thanks

[zenith lantern]

Merit per exercise depends on your rank. For the most merit you’d want to make sure you hit AoTN for the bonus merit reward, you also get extra merit per exercise while fighting at AoTN rank so for the last few days of the season you’d want to rush your exercises as soon as you get them. You can’t do that early season though as it will kill your score so you won’t reach AoTN

[topaz citrus]

So laying back for 30min-1h is fine for early-mid season?

Or do I wait more for people to move

[topaz citrus]

this was a pain to fight

[little bobcat]

aurora

[empty mesa]

Sandy tech.

[winged depot]

Aurora

[candid sluice]

Aurora

[fickle echo]

https://tenor.com/view/aurora-famıly-glitch-lights-gif-16526160

[neon bronze]

Aurora

[pallid phoenix]

Beehive gun against destroyers. Yea or nea? Also, Entea?

[hollow walrus]

[winged depot]

Just no

[candid sluice]

No to both

[stable dawn]

[little bobcat]

yes and yes

[neon bronze]

[little bobcat]

optimal

joke

[neon bronze]

letan giving best advice

keep it up

[pallid phoenix]

How's Hyuuga's "Melee Artillery" in PvP?

[winged depot]

Bad

[dense eagle]

What like the meta for pvp rn?

[neon bronze]

Read the pins; there is a spreadsheet by SaltyArrow that documents current meta atm. Also includes relevant gears and budget fleets.

[dense eagle]

Thx!

[trail temple]

[neon bronze]

[little bobcat]

[stable dawn]

[winged depot]

[candid sluice]

the majority of questions asked here can be answered with "check pins"

[frigid hamlet]

Can they?

[pseudo copper]

Check pins

[lusty hill]

There's no solution to counter shimakaze on pins

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[winged depot]

[trail temple]

Anchorage can do the job just fine

If that's not enough then that is unironically skill issue

[neon bronze]

reading comprehension is very useful skill

however, that's asking for too much from EN players

[deft escarp]

Does he not have Anchorage?

[rocky crater]

[upper jolt]

Do efficiency books give double drop rate? So if i'm farming 12-4 for the SR ship i'll double my chances?

[winged depot]

It just runs the map 2x, also the help channel is above

[little bobcat]

wrong channel

but yes

[neon bronze]

[upper jolt]

OMG sorry sorry I'm like always there but didn't know there was a pvp channel so I dipped my toes in

OH might as well ask here

I've been using PVP to level my ships LMAO is it worth to do that?

[neon bronze]

for beginners, yeah. might as well get merits for gold bulins, too

[trail temple]

Didn't you guys know books work in pvp too? Double merit and points

smh and you guys call yourselves baggers

[keen juniper]

[winged depot]

[stable dawn]

books are unethical exp boosts.

[trail temple]

I think you and I both know I am anything but an ethical pvper

Having an "illegal" fleet, to winning my own tournament

[last yarrow]

should i get 3 CVs for pvp?

[neon bronze]

for a fleet comp, no

3 CVs? specify which

[last yarrow]

akagi, kaga and maybe a third cv?

I'm not sure if bbs are good for pvp since im just getting into pvp

[stable dawn]

akagi kaga shinano obvs

maximum floof

[winged depot]

the fleets on the pinned docs has more bbs than CVs

[hidden robin]

if you want to use a BB with Akagi+Kaga, use Nagato if you have her

[trail temple]

Please read the pinned spreadsheet. That should answer your question about the effectiveness of BB/BCs

[neon bronze]

akaga 2023

👍

[last yarrow]

I saw, it's probably very useful for old time players. I guess yeah Akagato should roll if I find an Nagato :))

[keen juniper]

Nope

No nagato is fine

I use Akaga for fun some while ago

[last yarrow]

fellow akagi enjoyer?

[keen juniper]

[hidden robin]

wish akaga's buff was 35% dmg instead of avi

[keen juniper]

Their premtive strike designed to wipe Anchorage after 1st strike

[last yarrow]

thoughts on Akagi, Kaga, Hood?

[trail temple]

At least with Akaga, they have to gimp their vanguard (no shima or harbin/juneau) to block its damage

[keen juniper]

The thing is just the dmg for backline

[trail temple]

Hood ain't worth it

[hidden robin]

that's also why VV is potentially killer with only 1 fellow Sadegna shipgirl

[last yarrow]

Or Amagi-chan for full Foxes

[keen juniper]

You have Musashi? or Shinano? or Hiryuu?

[hidden robin]

or enterprise kek

[winged depot]

👴

[last yarrow]

maybe Hiryuu

[hidden robin]

back when enty vs enty could last for more than 5 minutes

[keen juniper]

you can bring Hiryuu and re created Battle of Midway

Against Enty fleet

[last yarrow]

I don't wanna use Enty she hurt Kaga

[hidden robin]

that's why you should bring Enty along with them

for the salt

[keen juniper]

and IJN the win side this time

[last yarrow]

Yes.

[winged depot]

well if its just for fun that's ok

if you need actual fleets, the one pinned has them

[keen juniper]

at least you’re using the gears in the pinned and you good to go with those Akagas

@last yarrow yep

[gritty quiver]

is this a legit fleet

[trail temple]

Not really

No

Should be easy enough to defeat

Now that I am looking at the fleet power and levels too, easily beatable

[last yarrow]

perfect

[neon bronze]

pogU amagi player

[topaz citrus]

so stressful

[lusty hill]

No 1

[trail temple]

Thanks for the +2

[lusty hill]

[little bobcat]

how does musashi do for more frontloaded dmg

in akaga

i might run musashi + akaga for frontline destruction

also, akagi or akagi mu?

etc etc

questions questions questions i talk a lot ok bye

[steel coral]

Musashi/Shinano/Akagi m for a balance of vanguard and backrow pressure

[trail temple]

Almost a replica of the Bluerender fleet (minus the Musashi and modernised vamguard)

[keen juniper]

Use gun that fires before Akagas strike, inflicting armor break as ancho isn’t able to perform 2nd smoke

[trail temple]

If this is Akaga's first strike, there isn't a gun fast enough to fire before that time, excluding preloaded ships

[keen juniper]

[stable dawn]

Richelieu making a comeback?

[trail temple]

Nah Seydlitz bro

[stable dawn]

460mm seydlitz?

[trail temple]

Let's not meme 460mm on Seydlitz, it's actually pretty decent

[stable dawn]

the thing is you need extra kms ships for the pseudo preload. So in an akaga setup we'd have to run kms in the vanguard

Agir time?

[hollow walrus]

wouldn't agir just eat preloaded torps and with her heavy armor she's gonna take a lot of damage

[stable dawn]

@zenith lantern @fickle echo What do you reckon would be a good setup for Seydlitz + Akaga?

[empty mesa]

Both should be set up in a trash bin.

[fickle echo]

I never tried it both Seydlitz and Akaga in the same fleet because I doubt it would work, Seydlitz isn't like Musashi/NJ who can consistently do a lot of damage to multiple ships

[stable dawn]

not necessarily. Yukana actually used a fully geared Akaga setup for a while before Musashi came out and had good results. There is definitely something worth looking at.

[fickle echo]

It's just like the same reason why Shinano+Hiryuu doesn't work with Vanguard

[empty mesa]

before musashi

[stable dawn]

yeah I feel like seydlitz is still too gimmicky

But Musashi + Akaga may still be viable

since they launch outside of anchorage smoke window

[fickle echo]

Seydlitz can work as the 2nd or 3rd BB of a fleet but she doesn't have enough damage output to be the only one

[neon bronze]

Tried that once. Ehhh

[stable dawn]

did you have +13 wyverns and pancakes tho

[neon bronze]

818 akagi, wyvern kaga

[stable dawn]

[candid sluice]

who let bro cook

[neon bronze]

Got curious once

Hmm. I'll do it again

[empty mesa]

I am pretty sure Akaga is too fragile in current meta.

[fickle echo]

Any fleet that can tank hits until they get revealed counters them, even Aquila is the same now

[neon bronze]

[fickle echo]

All the meta BBs are able to kill them from full hp once they get revealed

[candid sluice]

just beat the enemy before they beat u

[zenith lantern]

CVs just don't really do it right now. They're too fragile except Hiryuu, even Shinano dies to a full volley from a single BB. Shinano will at least survive from full HP long enough for her planes to cross the screen though. They don't do enough damage either, Shinano can make a difference from a single launch and Hiryuu will usually get at least 3 launches. Other than those 2 I wouldn't even consider using a CV

[topaz citrus]

Timezone being an ass, had to woke up at weird hours just for PvP

[stable dawn]

is that with WNT flag or without? Shinano is a lot more consistent and reliable with WNT flag in my experience, easily surviving to 2 launches in the rare situation that an exercise lasts that long.

[zenith lantern]

With WNT

[stable dawn]

[zenith lantern]

You have to use WNT with Shinano

[stable dawn]

does lexi just have more double torp shimas or something?

[zenith lantern]

Against 3BB + Shima and Harbin your vanguard won't usually survive past 20s

[stable dawn]

weird because those fleets just vanish on defense against MSN.

Unless there's a very specific gun combo that makes triple BB actually good on defense somehow

[empty mesa]

Aldarn disrespecting Aquila tech, smh.

[zenith lantern]

Most players don’t have good def fleets so usually they should vanish against any well geared attack fleet. Gear matters a lot not just ship selection. On Lexi right now there’s barely 10 players where there’s any risk I’d have to reset against their def fleet. Lots of MSN, Aquila and even some triple BB where I don’t even need to watch the fight.

[stable dawn]

I mean, that's a given on all servers with the sole exception of Avrora. But even well-geared triple BB fleets I've tested against just can't wall you the way some people have been on lexi. I suspect it may have to do with Juneau setup more than anything. (Dying too late/early, etc.)

[zenith lantern]

The people that get walled usually don’t have the best gear or lack some of the ships

[stable dawn]

So you're saying not all the lexi agents have maxed out gear???

[zenith lantern]

Mostly gear tbh. I’m using Agir and having no issues

[zenith lantern]

A lot of the Lexi agents are newer players

[stable dawn]

well I mean, even in the pre-vice-seaman era

[zenith lantern]

I’d guess there’s almost even numbers who have NJ compared to those that don’t

[zenith lantern]

When there was less of us we’d wall each other sometimes but that was about it

[fickle echo]

Triple BB without the attack bonus and the damage from auxiliary guns is very likely to lose the vanguard fight against 2 BB+1 CV so as long you don't get unlucky with the torp RNG and the CV can do enough damage to kill the backline ships before getting revealed it shouldn't be a problem

https://youtu.be/CIKFHeinT_8
I even made Enty work against Aldarn because of that

[zenith lantern]

And wall was no more than oh I had to reset twice.

[stable dawn]

shima RNG (tm)

[stable dawn]

and yeah attacker bonus is nuts

For a while I actually had to run Juneau lead because of the DR throwing off her timings

[zenith lantern]

Rng is the way to go for def fleets I think. If you have enough ships that can high roll you’ll make someone reset sometime. It’s a shame you don’t know the results when you get attacked, you never get to see the general effect of your def.

[stable dawn]

eh, I think NO DATA's approach works better. Instead of trying to make a fleet that can potentially wall your opponent, just make a shitty fleet that wastes their time

because if it takes 1.5m to finish an exercise against you, that's equivalent to like 3-4 retries

[fickle echo]

I almost walled Rikuo with my full invincibility fleet 💀

[empty mesa]

Washi has people who move later than 5 min before reset?

[zenith lantern]

You can waste a fair amount of time with a stall fleet but it's only going to catch people out if they're moving so late they have no spare time for a reset. Stall fleet might make every fight take 1 min but that's usually not going ot be long enough to screw someone over

[stable dawn]

only during eos climb

[empty mesa]

Lmao.

[stable dawn]

[pseudo copper]

Just be like me and forget pvp till 2 mins before reset

[stable dawn]

forgetting pvp now a new tech?

[pseudo copper]

Old one

[fickle echo]

The thing is to build a stall fleet that's still able to do enough damage to kill some ships. Depending on what ship dies on the opponent side even if they win it's gonna take forever if they best damage dealers are gone

[pseudo copper]

Part of slingshot

[stable dawn]

pearl + goldburn shima. EZ

[cinder wolf]

new ship good?

[pseudo copper]

CA top tier for pvp guaranteed by #gameplay-help

[empty mesa]

Nah, only CBs are good in pvp.

[pseudo copper]

No bro, they told me Eugen good for pvp

[empty mesa]

Well, Eugen is good everywhere.

[pseudo copper]

Better than

[stable dawn]

MK did dream about a Eugen retrofit making her god tier in pvp

[pseudo copper]

MK must live in the future where Eugen got powercrept in first place

[stable dawn]

does this mean... MK is from outside the Yukanaverse???

[pseudo copper]

He lives in it, but future of it

[zenith lantern]

No, Yukana is from outside the MKverse

[fickle echo]

The CA can summon subs so it means it's the only ship powerful enough to ignore the only ban in pvp

[pseudo copper]

Exactly what #gameplay-help told me

[keen juniper]

Kurks?

[whole salmon]

Inb4 people start putting asw planes on CV aux slots

[empty mesa]

Salty should add them to recommended gear.

[pseudo copper]

Hedgehog Shima

[floral wave]

bold to assume kursk lives 15s to summon subs

[trail temple]

Aquila tech is so 2021

[empty mesa]

Next thing you gonna tell me Mafia isn't T0 comp.

[trail temple]

If I somehow become Aoste, then I will say Mafia is T0 comp

[wicked surge]

It’s outdated

[empty mesa]

[wicked surge]

Feel free to run it, just know your ass is gonna get clapped by better setup

[floral wave]

most of the time it wont because attacker advantage

[trail temple]

While Mafia might not be the best comp, all of you are forgetting something very crucial, Kirito is the black swordsman, the beta cheater, the Mary Sue. He cannot lose

[floral wave]

he's not even using mafia

[trail temple]

You don't know that

Stop lying

[floral wave]

i dont but im calling it because i dont think he cares enough to switch to mafia

[candid sluice]

we all know kiriko uses mafia

[floral wave]

kiriko with a no fox lineup? lies

[stable dawn]

[pseudo copper]

Kirito isn't a furry

[valid oxide]

event ships gonna change anything in pvp or nah

[empty mesa]

New CA seems good.

Sub meta.

[lusty hill]

how can people already know the new CA good at pvp

[stable dawn]

JP server already up

[floral wave]

they dont

just memeing

[neon bronze]

Imagine new CA/CB better than Ancho.

But never make her rerun

[lusty hill]

sometimes it's hard to know if people here being ironic or unironic

[stable dawn]

irony is just an excuse for a bad take ngl

[floral wave]

its pretty easy once you get to know people

[candid sluice]

whats worse is when someone puts out something that seems ironic but they mean it unirocinally

[neon bronze]

818 akagi, wyvern kaga... needs more testing.

@keen juniper what's your loadout for foxes?

[wicked surge]

Reading comprehension

[little bobcat]

like what?

[lusty hill]

I hope maintenance got extended by exactly 4 hours

[winged depot]

desperate are we?

[neon bronze]

Great way to end the season https://twitter.com/AzurLane_EN/status/1615722517351796744

Azur Lane Official (@AzurLane_EN)

HQ has encountered unexpected issues during the maintenance and will need to extend the maintenance period by approximately 1 hour. Any changes to the maintenance status will be announced on our social media immediately.

Thank you for your understanding!

#AzurLane #Yostar

Likes

1044

Twitter · Jan 18, 2023, 2:47 PM

[winged depot]

1/18/23?

[lusty hill]

Need 3 more hours

[neon bronze]

[neon bronze]

Up to date tweet https://twitter.com/AzurLane_EN/status/1638920510741577728

Azur Lane Official (@AzurLane_EN)

HQ has encountered unexpected issues during the maintenance and will need to extend the maintenance period by approximately 1 hour. Any changes to the maintenance status will be announced on our social media immediately.

Thank you for your understanding!

#AzurLane #Yostar

Twitter · Mar 23, 2023, 3:07 PM

[winged depot]

that's more like it

[merry vale]

[keen juniper]

2 wyvern suisei kai Shinano
Tenrai breguet Akagi
Rocket suisei kai swordfish Kaga

[keen juniper]

i dunno haven’t try it

[hollow walrus]

So I might be stupid but attacking someone much higher than you gives you more pts right? Like if I'm rank 500 and the one I'm attacking is at 80 or smth I get more pts?

[keen juniper]

It’s actually score difference based on ranks too

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/643697081210503168/724535999522144266/rank.PNG

[hollow walrus]

probably not reaching Admiral but ending up at Vice Admiral the first time I took pvp a bit seriously is something at least

[keen juniper]

Example you’re at vice admiral now with total score 1452
against some players at vice admiral rank if you wanna get bonus score then you need your total score +35 , so if you win against player with total score higher than 1487 , you’ll get base score which is 10+1 , just look at the table

[hollow walrus]

ooo

[keen juniper]

[hollow walrus]

What's the difference between Rushing and Bagging. Like in terms of which is better for the long term

[keen juniper]

Rushing like you’ll just rush your exercise once you get your attempts refreshed, bagging is patience waiting your list to move reaching those differences score then you attack them, you’ll get your bonus score , bagging is better for the long term

[little bobcat]

yo

rikuo

akagi or akagi mu

for akaga

seems like akagi is better

[keen juniper]

ofc Akagi better

[little bobcat]

i'll level them then

[neon bronze]

[neon bronze]

[little bobcat]

how does tashkent / harbin gun do on juneau

[fickle echo]

The gun on Juneau doesn't matter she isn't gonna much damage anyway, just choose anything that gives aa

[neon bronze]

:JuneauChrist:

[little bobcat]

like?

100mm has the highest aa stat but 114 is more consistent dmg wise

plus the aa

would i just sack dmg for 100mm or

114 gaming

[fickle echo]

Just use any of them, her gun damage isn't gonna be enough to kill a ship anyway so if you care about damage choose the faster gun so maybe she can at least proc her AoA before dying and do a little more damage

[little bobcat]

mm

[hidden robin]

or just give her the twin 127mm gun lol

the Atlanta class signature gun

[little bobcat]

i'm just gonna give her

uhh

umm

alexa show me the worst dd gun in the game

^^^ that one

[stable dawn]

[floral wave]

juneau dies so you can win, imagine giving her shit gear

[sick moon]

can u get +2 bonus score or is +1 the max

[neon bronze]

pausechamp

at around 1050 and above points, you get an +11 once you beat a guy who is at least 35 points ahead of you; 71 pts for a +12, 108 pts for a +13

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643697081210503168/724535999522144266/rank.PNG look at this chart if you want to know the bare minimum for bonus points.

[merry vale]

[keen juniper]

[stable dawn]

percy enjoyer

[neon bronze]

[little bobcat]

mmm

sashi akaga or nano akaga

[neon bronze]

imo, try out both.

[little bobcat]

alr

[neon bronze]

As long as you win.

[little bobcat]

would i wanna run defensive gear like wnt + juneau etc etc

or just

offense

[rustic bridge]

Die enty ehy can she not die

[little bobcat]

she refuses

quite a normal thing

[rustic bridge]

And lose on a fucking op enterprise

[neon bronze]

Try it out. Juneau for consistency and her heals, Harbin for faster fights but is less consistent.

I personally don't prefer WNT if the fleet involves backline preloads, since it gimps their damage. Longer fights and a bit more consistent

[keen juniper]

I had that 3x proc Lucky E during my noob fleet

and lose

[little bobcat]

what are your thoughts on someone holding frontier?

[keen juniper]

Akaga need expensive gears

[rustic bridge]

flagship See a deaht

[neon bronze]

3 CV foxes can use it, Musashi - Akaga may be down to personal preference imo

[little bobcat]

i'll try out nano

[neon bronze]

Btw, did you try out Bf-109Gs on Akaga in your fleet?

[keen juniper]

I personally wouldn’t use BB, just stall with speed I guess

90% lose rate

[rustic bridge]

1 win 9 lose on day

Can where enty ban for pvp

[little bobcat]

reset

reset until enty gets worst rng

or not skill issue

[rustic bridge]

i lose on enty to99%

[keen juniper]

Yeah i use it on Kaga since she’s using Wyvern

or 818

[rustic bridge]

I need more fleet Power

[keen juniper]

You need Anchorage

[rustic bridge]

[little bobcat]

uhh

i already confused myself on gearing

oops

[stable dawn]

Musasho is my favorite pvp ship, followed by Akagu and Hiryato

[rustic bridge]

[keen juniper]

1200 slot but no Anchorage?

[rustic bridge]

Lv 1 area

[stable dawn]

the most ethical player

[rustic bridge]

Under 100 chokais

[keen juniper]

I thought you collecting 900 Belfast/Essex

[rustic bridge]

no

[little bobcat]

only 1 belfast?

[rustic bridge]

2 a outher is lv 120

[keen juniper]

Tbh Belfast more useful in PvP instead of Hipper

[uncut agate]

saltybelfast can make anything work

[little bobcat]

how incorrect is this

won't be able to get a second tenrai for a while for kaga so

idk if it's even worth running rn

maybe akagi could use the extra 6avi from +13 feather?

[keen juniper]

That’s really slow

yeet XSB3C from Kaga use Suisei kai instead

[little bobcat]

oh actually?

i would assume they'd use normal gear

[keen juniper]

Yeah

[little bobcat]

would i swap tenrai off akagi?

[keen juniper]

U can, but try both as well, smh maybe they can deal more dmg

[little bobcat]

what are thoughts on the new ca gun for anchorage

until i get drek

[keen juniper]

I play PvP and OpSi, dunno about the event

[little bobcat]

uhh

if i just said what it's good at would you be able to infer

actually 1sec

[keen juniper]

Nope, I can’t infer

[little bobcat]

mm

it doesn't seem that much worse than drek

[uncut agate]

pretty bad light armour dmg

[little bobcat]

mhm

but it might edge out a little against cheshire

unless it really is only light that matters

[uncut agate]

I doubt there'll be any difference, just try it

[little bobcat]

alr

gonna put juneau onto bulge because i notice she dies really quickly vs harbin fleets

or just stop skill issuing and fight fire with fire

[pseudo copper]

Just get Shima

Only thing that can get AotN

[little bobcat]

true

can't wait for my consistent aotns with shima

[pseudo copper]

@winged depot needs to stop hacking and stop getting consistent aotn and eos when he feels like it

[little bobcat]

exactly

[keen juniper]

thanks for the laugh

[neon bronze]

:pausechamp:

[paper perch]

[winged depot]

[neon bronze]

Not recommended advice, everyone knows Lucky E is guaranteed to proc for opponent Enterprise and 0% for your Enterprise

[little bobcat]

true true

[neon bronze]

[little bobcat]

what are thoughts on the new ca

bad?

[candid sluice]

shes pretty hot

[stable dawn]

I want her to step on me

[lusty hill]

I wonder if I'll get better if she step on me

[pseudo copper]

You should try

[lusty hill]

Almost aotn

[winged depot]

Did you lose 1 attempt

weren't you at 64 in mt

[lusty hill]

what you mean

I lost 3 times this season

[winged depot]

[neon bronze]

[pseudo copper]

Just move now then

Will hit AotN

[lusty hill]

No 2

I hope nobody take my place cuz I need merit

[candid sluice]

holy shit admiral of the anvy

[winged depot]

[fickle echo]

Level 92

[neon bronze]

someone so bad I entered my Lexi alt just to see if they even reached AotN once

😦

[fickle echo]

30% collection

[candid sluice]

definitely an alt

[stable dawn]

new agent?

[fickle echo]

[neon bronze]

whatever. even the best fleet couldn't save him

[keen juniper]

git gut, no Shima, Juneau or Harbin

[fickle echo]

Hacker

[neon bronze]

[stable dawn]

Ethical pvper?

[neon bronze]

fox enjoyer.

[fickle echo]

Unethical pvp smh

[stable dawn]

smh oathed

[keen juniper]

[fickle echo]

The last ethical pvper of our server got corrupted after losing to washing machine NJ

[little bobcat]

haku in pvp is a no go right

hiryuu/haku/nano ez

[keen juniper]

if Manjuu Haku can actually work

[little bobcat]

what

[neon bronze]

if haku were just as tanky as shinano is, she would've be part of pvp meta

[little bobcat]

does shinano have a defensive self buff i'm forgetting about

because afaik their actual stats are similar

hp / eva wise

[fickle echo]

Bad plane efficiency for torpedo bombers and less planes on that slot than Shinano, Haku didn't have a chance from the start

[keen juniper]

you forgetting, if you take Haku katana she’ll just floating

[neon bronze]

[little bobcat]

true

[fickle echo]

The reason Shima is so op is because she stole Haku's katana

[little bobcat]

who gets the manjuu in the stall vanguard

anchorage still?

[neon bronze]

Manjuu Juneau. Stall your heals

[neon bronze]

Yep. Manjuu Ancho.

[little bobcat]

i'm talking about the us stall vanguard not the normal "stall" vanguard

birmi instead of torp dd

[fickle echo]

Birmi

[little bobcat]

it took u so long to type that

[fickle echo]

I was too surprised

[little bobcat]

i'm very bored

and i already have her mlbed

so why not just

level her

[fickle echo]

Never used her, too lazy to level up most of my ships

[little bobcat]

i'm bored i should do an eventless season

once this one ends

[neon bronze]

either get eos first

or do whatever else

practically a lost cause

[little bobcat]

this season is p much dead for me

i missed like

15 battles because i was at work

gonna use my last attempts to test this fleet

before new season

i'm curious

[pastel jolt]

Shelling dmg reduction makes Shinano a lot tankier in practice, same reason why using Akaga is horrible in the current meta, takes like 2 torps to kill them or 1 aquila preload strike already brings them to 1/2 hp

Anything without BB in current meta doesn't work

At the beginning of the battle, if there are at least three Sakura Empire ships in your fleet (including this ship), decrease incoming gun and plane damage received on self by 10% (20%), and increase AVI and Accuracy for all Sakura Empire CVs and CVLs by 5% (15%) for the rest of the battle.

[little bobcat]

ic

[gritty quiver]

whats the best vanguard i can make? im using ancho poi and sandy rn

[lusty hill]

do you have shimakaze or ayanami?

one of them in the middle and juneau offtank

[neon bronze]

yukikaze can also be an option, but since you are raising ayanami atm, use her

[gritty quiver]

if i had shima i wouldnt be coping with poi

juneau is pretty far down my queue so i wont have her anytime soon

aya is wip

but rn what is the best vanguard i can use

like, temporarily until juneau and aya get finished

[lusty hill]

Yuudachi is fine then

Idk about the offtank tho

[gritty quiver]

[lusty hill]

Do you have harbin or noshiro?

[gritty quiver]

noshiro also wip

no harbin tho

[distant escarp]

hello! What can I use in pvp if I don't have Shimakaze and Anchorage ?

[little bobcat]

get anchorage

[hollow walrus]

[little bobcat]

but otherwise

you can use ayanami / noshiro / harbin / yukikaze to replace shimakaze

[distant escarp]

yeah I'm using Ayanami atm the moment and Agir as tank and the third I switch between helena and ChangChun

[keen juniper]

Speed stall could actually work if you doesn’t have Anchorage I guess

[distant escarp]

so I need fast vanguard ?

[little bobcat]

cbs in pvp

pepela

[twilit anvil]

What’s the current best PvP fleet?

I haven’t touch it in a while so I don’t know

Anyone has any idea?

[little bobcat]

meeb is probably on the more consistent side

if you wanna run offensive you could do triple bb or msn

[twilit anvil]

Msn?

Meeb?

I’ve been out longer than I expected…

[little bobcat]

📌

[twilit anvil]

Ok

[valid oxide]

This is my current PvP fleet and what ships I have. I plan on replacing noshiro with Aya once Aya is maxed, unsure if the rest of my fleet is fine or not.

[neon bronze]

Ships are fine, including replacement. Harbin can also substitute Noshiro there

too tired to care abt gears though. sorry

[distant escarp]

I don't have Vanguard, Shinano and NJ. Who should I put with Musashi ?

Can I try for example with Veneto and Aquila ? like old comp with NJ ?

[trail temple]

A fleet like that could be okay

NJ should be rerunning pretty soon though

[little bobcat]

^^^

this russian event feels like filler for her ngl

[little bobcat]

your gears seem fine but I'd swap the AA guns on anchorage and noshiro, and I'd rather use flag wnt hiryuu
putting musashi as top with beaver also seems nice but idk how it performs

also idk about that bb gun on warspite
I'd recommend the 457 (or at least the prerequisite in gear lab) but im not very smart with bb gear besides musashi so don't take this to heart until someone else confirms or corrects me

and if you have angel's feather I'd run it on hiryuu
but judging by the fact you have no table for musashi, you likely don't

i can't find any other improvement besides ur gear so

this is all i can try to help w/ sorry

[keen juniper]

You can

[little bobcat]

what are thoughts on vv aquila nano

no?

[keen juniper]

if you have Musashi just use Musashi

[little bobcat]

im just bored tbh

i wanna experiment

considered even throwing yama meta in to see how hard she dies to preload

[topaz citrus]

yooo I finally got it

[stable dawn]

congrats

[topaz citrus]

I bet it's easier if you have Musashi & Shinano

The amount of times I had to reset fighting those

[fickle echo]

You already have Shima, that's enough to get AotN

[topaz citrus]

Not to mention those couple fleets with Seydlitz

My vanguard gone in 5sec

[fickle echo]

[stable dawn]

[topaz citrus]

Maybe I should try Seydlitz too, with Harbin once she's dev30

[fickle echo]

Seydlitz tech is spreading to the other servers

[topaz citrus]

I meet 1 player a few times, quite annoying to fight. Even more than fighting MSN

[zinc phoenix]

If I fight someone of equal score do I get plus9?

[uncut agate]

if their score is equal to you then it depends on their ranking, +9 if they're below you

900-1050 score is the exception cuz AL goes haywire for scoring in that range

[neon bronze]

i couldn't get 5/10 1049 this season bcs of that even if I aimed for ppl whose rank is lower that I was

[merry vale]

[neon bronze]

when i went to another server, i asked this question, albeit with sushi instead of vv
not worth it; if you want aquila to stay, use a 2 bb aquila comp. if you want shinano to stay, then go use either 2 bb shinano, or meeb/weeb with hiryuu
those with aquila generally have hiryuu, which will sync better with shinano.

[little bobcat]

so it's a situation of just

1 ship holding everything back

[neon bronze]

synergy helps

[little bobcat]

ic

[neon bronze]

shinano gets buffed if 2 other ijn ships join

which musashi, hiryuu and/or shimakaze can easily do

[little bobcat]

what would be a fun fleet to experiment with

i decided to run a random selection of the newbie permanent ships in the guide just to see how it goes

but i still wanna try more stuff

[warm crow]

try a triple preload CV comp to see if it can wipe the enemy backline immediately. Aquila, Perseus, Chise with 3 +13 pancakes and wyverns and 2 +13 tenrais

[little bobcat]

would try that if i had chise or perseus

[neon bronze]

WNT says hi.

[warm crow]

use kazagumo sirius and frontier medal

[valid oxide]

Wnt and enemy preloads/intercept

[neon bronze]

i admit, toastykaya (or someone else) ran that as def fleet for some time. my meeb was melted

until i used wnt

[valid oxide]

Wnt beloved

[little bobcat]

i wonder though how many resets it'd truly take to fight any competent fleet if i held my backline behind by running like

ruppy

[valid oxide]

Kicks are better for ancho than washing machine right?

[winged depot]

I prefer washing machine, but kicks is good too I guess

wnt is the reason i'm not afraid of shimakaze unlike some guys here

[merry vale]

People are scared of shima?

[little bobcat]

i made the mistake of resetting early so shima annoyed me

mmm

with her getting an augment now

would kagerou be a possibility as a cope middle slot?

[neon bronze]

??????????????

[little bobcat]

she seems

interesting

[stable dawn]

[merry vale]

[fickle echo]

[little bobcat]

i agree too

[winged depot]

[candid sluice]

isnt toastykayas defense fleet a meme with renamed ships lol

[steel coral]

sometimes it's triple preload + blu-ray, sometimes it's weeb

[hollow walrus]

blu ray

what?

[empty mesa]

I hope Beth haven't lost to Blu-rays.

[steel coral]

the slow ahead blu-ray skins

[hollow walrus]

is it ships with blu-ray skins

Oh

[neon bronze]

I didn't, though i reset a lot. maybe even refreshed him off

kind of forgot now

[steel coral]

reset = loss

[neon bronze]

[candid sluice]

Losing to bluray skins is the definition of pay2win

[winged depot]

[stable dawn]

[winged depot]

[sick moon]

do ppl sandbag alot in 1st week

[neon bronze]

rush or bag

2nd week is what matters

[steel coral]

yes rush first week then hard bag +2 sets and finish 2570

[lusty hill]

why do first week doesn't matter

it give the most bonus if sandbag

[stable dawn]

because you hit a brick wall after midseason

[neon bronze]

most likely 0 bonuses.

irritates some baggers and a nuisance to the rest

[lusty hill]

what you mean

[stable dawn]

the higher your score, the less bonuses you get. At a certain point it diminishes to nearly 0 so a player who would've been super behind you during early season will catch up by mid/late season

[lusty hill]

so what would be the strategy for first week?

play like normal?

[stable dawn]

sleep well and just get bonuses whenever you feel like it

[lusty hill]

[neon bronze]

because there's a lot of people who can and will move

[pastel jolt]

Man last reset was wild

[keen juniper]

[regal shard]

got my first admiral of the navy

[winged depot]

good job bro

[waxen steeple]

Just got my first Admiral of the Navy too

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

you guys got shimakaze? :pausechamp:

[waxen steeple]

No Shima or NJ

[keen juniper]

[stable dawn]

[winged depot]

My kind of people 🤝

[keen juniper]

[neon bronze]

[pseudo copper]

Hackers smh

[rustic bridge]

All to Hard on Power lv

[keen juniper]

with decent comp power difference not really matter