pvp

[thin cosmos]

that gun better defense 1.5 times dps for ancher

with 70 or 50, you would have no chance for attacking VG anyway

[candid sluice]

It’s not about launching a second airstrike it’s about launching the first one faster

Also what is that map aux on sashi

[merry vale]

https://i.imgur.com/US6oCB3.png

[stable dawn]

Musashi confirmed NP ship?

[candid sluice]

So still a defensive item

[merry vale]

The gold gun on Shima intrigues me.

[pseudo copper]

Korean tech

[neon bronze]

Ancho blucher gun (no drake gun), twin blue torp, rudder (no shoe yet), manjuu
Shima 76mm, +13 teatorp, staag, black torp aux, pearl
Juneau, forgot which dd gun (probably the IB DD in gear lab), +13 quad mag, sexbofors, double boiler

[stable dawn]

So nothing else is +13?

also why go back to rudder

you already have manjuu

[neon bronze]

cba farming for shoe

[stable dawn]

[merry vale]

It's so easy though.

[stable dawn]

just 1-1 it with level 80 ships

ez game

[pseudo copper]

Beth doesn't play al

He just logs in

[stable dawn]

you can even 1-1 the boss

[neon bronze]

brb going to farm on JP

[stable dawn]

MK strat

[pseudo copper]

Mk eoses

[neon bronze]

I haven't

Therefore, Mk better than I am

[pseudo copper]

Level 60

[thin cosmos]

shima torp can't reach you till launch anyway and 2 BBs attack before first strike anway cause they start attack 15s. And AQ attack just crossing lines before launch so all ok.

[thin cosmos]

the gun issue was already said here when she just came

[pseudo copper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/1065660946472779846/Screenshot_20230119-185533_Azur_Lane.jpg

Obv best set up for pvp is this

[thin cosmos]

the expected dps is higher in blue gun

but I just love that meaningless 20AA stats

also shima can fire bullet anyway...

[pseudo copper]

Fire bullet = good gun damage obv

[thin cosmos]

yeah bagic plan is let's collect 30damages to make 1000

[pseudo copper]

Yeah good plan, why has no one ever thought of that

[thin cosmos]

because people don't like coins but love bills

[pseudo copper]

[cerulean oriole]

Does Implacable add anything in PvP?

I figure the slow effect is gonna do something

[pseudo copper]

Yeah we need to stop the non moving backline

[cerulean oriole]

sooo a liability then

[pseudo copper]

Too squishy and doesn't bring much to the table

[cerulean oriole]

yup figures

[pseudo copper]

Atm focus for meta is backline damage

[fickle echo]

I tested her and my BBs killed the enemy vanguard before she even launched

[pseudo copper]

Can you test me?

[fickle echo]

[thin cosmos]

do we have anyway to set her timing with BB?

ofcourse without heavy lose of BB damage

[fickle echo]

Only if you wanna try things like 460mm Musashi

[thin cosmos]

it launch faster with HFCR

I mean even 460mm is faster than aircraft

specially if you care 2seconds are needed for 0 speed

[whole salmon]

@thin cosmos Just run 356

You could even win Musashi duels sometimes

When Musashi vs Musashi happens and 356 fires before 410

Leading to enemy Musashi dying before she could fire

This usually happens on their 2nd salvos

[trail temple]

It seems the KR meta doesn't follow EN meta Pink, what we say doesn't appear to be of any use for the KR players

[candid sluice]

the meta is already different between en servers let alone between regional servers

[stable dawn]

as the great sora once said, "server preference"

[neon bronze]

As long as you win.

[trail temple]

Well, Novo is extremely obsessed with his defence fleet

He can't tell whether he's winning until someone does a Serenity

[whole salmon]

Ig the only slight pvp shake up recently is FDG Fate 5 where she can replace Vanguard in triple BB comps

Yorktown 2 and Implacable just seems like budget Shinano

Royal Oak doesn’t seem that good either

Hornet 2 is just sadge

[neon bronze]

pve ships

[whole salmon]

And Indep kai with Northampton 2 is meme material

[thin cosmos]

this is what I'm thinking about too

but that means

you can left 5% hp due to lack of damage instead of killing

[whole salmon]

Possible but what’s the worst that could happen

If it is 356 Musashi vs 410 Musashi

There’s 2 cases that could happen

• 356 Musashi kills 410 Musashi before 410 fires

• 356 Musashi only brought 410 Musashi down to 5% HP and 410 in turn kills 356

That 5% HP 410 Musashi is most likely going to die before they get their 3rd salvo off anyways

[whole salmon]

If it is 410 Musashi vs 410 Musashi then it is a similar case of both getting their salvos off and both killing each other

[thin cosmos]

oh this is very good point

[whole salmon]

Ofc in practice you can’t really say that 410 Musashi can guarantee a kill on 356 Musashi due to attacker’s advantage, rng, etc

Sometimes burn may kill them or a stray Shima torp barrage etc

[thin cosmos]

then what about NJ gun?

you can change it with faster one too

too much lose in damage?

[whole salmon]

There’s some testings regarding MK4 compared to 457 but it didn’t prove any conclusive evidence I think

I still went with the typical 457 + 356 combo to be safe

But there are others who run MK4 + 410

Tho if it is a triple BB set up then idk

Like FDG + NJ + Musashi

In that case maybe you would run MK4 FDG + 457 NJ + 356 Musashi to avoid jamming

[trail temple]

Guys hacking the game if you're getting jamming

Bad

[stable dawn]

Still using triple BB after all this time?

@whole salmon So with triple BB, do you just run all defensive aux + hpfcr/table then?

[trail temple]

Never had jamming when I used 410 on musashi with 457 on nj

356 just doesn't do enough damage

[thin cosmos]

lol now 2guys saying opposite things and I'm in trouble

[trail temple]

Test it yourself is all I can say. Our pvp environments are too different

This is coming from someone who plays multiple servers and regions

[stable dawn]

Kaine did prefer 410 for triple BB and MSN

just because more damage

[trail temple]

I do too

[winged depot]

twin or triple?

[trail temple]

Triple 410

Twin 410 kai

[winged depot]

ah, I use twin 410 too

[neon bronze]

:pausechamp:

ah. nitro-less me

[stable dawn]

I do think a legitimate point can be made for twin 410 musashi + mk4 on nj

[neon bronze]

it's either that or 356 sushi + 457 nj

[trail temple]

Or 410 kai sushi and 457 nj

Real damage hours

[stable dawn]

the ultimate flex is 457 Musashi

[neon bronze]

🐌

[whole salmon]

I use MSN but I still consider triple BB as a viable option

[winged depot]

or no nj at all

[whole salmon]

Musashi 356 wnt mid, NJ 457 top, FDG mk4 bot

Now there are 2 options

[stable dawn]

I was asking because back when the washy players tested it with VG, Musashi, NJ (shortly after Musashi release), we actually ran full dps equips just for the sake of winning by 2nd salvo

[whole salmon]

NJ would get Beaver, Manjuu on Ancho and FDG idk gets Nelson Flag or SG radar or Rudder

Or

NJ would get Manjuu, FDG gets Beaver

[stable dawn]

is FdG really that much better than Vanguard?

[trail temple]

Stick a rudder on FDG

and keep beaver on NJ

[neon bronze]

ngl i thought 2 457 on 3 BB would be nice to have
this was a bit back then

[zenith lantern]

The way I think about it is Musashi’s barrage does so much vanguard that going with a faster gun is worth, allows your vanguard to reveal CVs sooner so your other BB can shoot them

[neon bronze]

i should run 3 BB soon

[neon bronze]

i know.

[whole salmon]

Or idk there’s the UvH triple BB comp which exists ig

[zenith lantern]

NJ barrage won’t do that to a whole vanguard so there’s less reason to run the slightly weaker faster gun on her

[stable dawn]

UvH

[whole salmon]

Or even weirder, the FDG Seydlitz Musashi comp

[neon bronze]

no nj, no uvh

[stable dawn]

doesn't Ari run that one lmao

[zenith lantern]

Seydlitz

[whole salmon]

Yes

Ari runs Seydlitz

I think MK runs Seydlitz as well

[stable dawn]

does he stagger his shots or just let them yolo?

[zenith lantern]

Seydlitz is very satisfying

[whole salmon]

Me and Aldarn used to run Seydlitz

But that was before Musashi’s release

[zenith lantern]

I’m running her right now

[trail temple]

Musashi doesn't deal that much damage to vanguard, misses more often than not

[whole salmon]

We used it to deal with the over abundance Weeb fleets at the time on Lexington

But then Musashi came out and then there’s Harbin etc

[zenith lantern]

I’m using Seydlitz, NJ, Musashi, Agir

[whole salmon]

And Weeb fleets kinda died out on Lexington after Musashi’s release as well

[stable dawn]

I actually second this. She seems to be a lot more successful in killing low health backliners with the lightning storm than anchorage or shima

[zenith lantern]

If Musashi is missing then what’s killing vanguards so fast these days?

[stable dawn]

Harbin

[zenith lantern]

Harbin can do that but Everyone is running Juneau

[whole salmon]

Be based and run Mafia

[stable dawn]

I'm actually seeing a pretty even split on Washy

between Harbin and Juneau

[trail temple]

Shima and Harbin usually do the job for me too

[zenith lantern]

Lexi is almost all Juneau

[stable dawn]

literally half the time shima + harbin just blow up the enemy vanguard for free

the other half they snipe a backliner

[thin cosmos]

well VG was almost always crispy except Anch

even far before musashi

[trail temple]

I stopped using Juneau

Went back to Harbin and just felt smoother

[whole salmon]

I think aside from our group for a time, literally no one else used Harbin on the server @zenith lantern

Kinda sadge

[stable dawn]

wow that's weird

[whole salmon]

Talking about Harbin

Ancho Yatsen Harbin project

Soon tm

[stable dawn]

is the yatsen aux really that worth it?

[whole salmon]

As an alternative for no Shima users

[stable dawn]

oh ok

[neon bronze]

am i reading this right

[zenith lantern]

It just never caught on. Aquila is making a comeback on Lexi now but with WNT and Juneau instead of Harbin and no WNT

[whole salmon]

Since it is a complaint a lot of people have in ALO apparently

Ig the most simple option is to run Juneau or Yukikaze

[stable dawn]

wtf that comp is literally throwing. It loses to MSN 100% of the time hands down

[zenith lantern]

It’s bizarre, why run Aquila and then nerf your own preload

[candid sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-gif-23663947

[whole salmon]

But Yatsen seems interesting after retro

Yeah a lot of Aquila comps on Lexi that runs Juneau

And with Aquila middle for some reason

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

To proc WNT

[zenith lantern]

Lexi is almost all Aquila or 3BB at the moment

It’s like they are all scared of Meeb

[trail temple]

We don't have any serious 3BB in Avrora

[stable dawn]

really? You'd think there'd be a lot more MSN

[whole salmon]

But it is weird like

We don’t even see Meeb that often

[stable dawn]

Washy is about 1/3 MSN nowadays

[whole salmon]

Me and Plasma still runs MSN

I think Kaoru as well

[zenith lantern]

Can’t even remember the last one I saw

[trail temple]

MSN or Yakuza generally, and a small amount of meeb with 1 weeb user

[stable dawn]

so does Lexi just not run true T0 meta comps outside of the agency???

[zenith lantern]

Kaoru was using Hiryuu

[pseudo copper]

Amagi follows Aoste

[stable dawn]

How can that be? Aoste has been dead for years

[pseudo copper]

And so Mafia is our most frequent fleets

[stable dawn]

[pseudo copper]

so is our def

[stable dawn]

that explains how you can do 5 in 1

[pseudo copper]

5 in under 2, 1 is too short

Loading alone is 1m

[zenith lantern]

I think 3BB is as good as MSN so if you consider that t0 then 3BB is too. FDG was a big upgrade to the reliability of 3BB

[stable dawn]

get a better phone

[pseudo copper]

Issue is internet

[stable dawn]

oh right, AU internet

[trail temple]

I honestly don't find triple BB as good as MSN from the small testing we did in house

Any variant

[stable dawn]

so does the fleet stagger shots with all different guns or just go 2x 457 and 356 on Musashi?

[pseudo copper]

From the testing I did, everything works if you are in Amagi

[zenith lantern]

I was running 2x457 but others were using an Mk4

[winged depot]

come to amagi, or amagi will come to you

[stable dawn]

interesting

would mk4 be better on NJ or FdG?

[zenith lantern]

It’s a nice change of pace getting the really fast fights with Harbin+3BB compared to running CV, WNT and Juneau

[stable dawn]

I actually see quite a few people using aggressive MSN
no Juneau, no WNT flag

[trail temple]

FM instead?

It would be funny if they did

[zenith lantern]

You’d want NJ to fire first to apply armor break

[stable dawn]

tbh not sure, given they have manjuu on anchorage

[whole salmon]

There’s some comps that use Plymouth

[stable dawn]

so what would the third aux be?

[whole salmon]

In triple BB

[zenith lantern]

It’s worse from our testing, you survive a little better against the BBs but die more to the torps

[whole salmon]

Interesting idea tho

[stable dawn]

I really suspect they may actually be using "Fairy Magic" Poster on either Musashi or NJ

like unironically

[zenith lantern]

Why not? It has good stats

[trail temple]

It was an intentionally dumb question. But interesting to note

[whole salmon]

Fairy Magic Poster is just slight upgraded SG radar

But it isn’t even that big of an upgrade

If any ship can use SG then FMP can work there as well

I have used various boiler alternatives tho

Ik people use Ankimo but I am still using that one Ryza collab item

[trail temple]

If only collab boilers can be purchased

[stable dawn]

but yeah I was thinking of something like this:

whoops forgot to +13 everything

eh whatever

[zenith lantern]

Manjuu is on the wrong ship

[whole salmon]

There’s also the double cosmic kicks idea I had

Since you could farm the 2nd one from war archive

I missed out on Ankimo and the Kizuna Ai one tho which sucks ig

[stable dawn]

double kicks

is wyrbel luft of ankimo better?

[zenith lantern]

I also prefer Goldburn on my Harbin, she already has very high EVA but low HP. Extra rld is nice too

[stable dawn]

imo goldburn feels too slow

need either boiler, ankimo, or wyrbel

[whole salmon]

If you plan to run Kicks and Rudder Ancho

Then double Kicks Ancho works as well

[stable dawn]

kicks and rudder?

[trail temple]

I didn't like double kicks at all

[zenith lantern]

Put the manjuu on nj where it belongs and you can double kicks ancho

[stable dawn]

That is literally a meme by Famine

[whole salmon]

Now we cope for the days they give us more Manjuu

So we can run triple Manjuu

[zenith lantern]

That is literally the t0 set up right now

[stable dawn]

unbelievable

[trail temple]

Not really, no. I have more trouble with manjuu ancho than Manjuu NJ

Same with Famine

[whole salmon]

Ari used 6 invul def fleet

Smh

[stable dawn]

yeah manjuu anchorage just eats so many more things

[zenith lantern]

Manjuu Ancho was better when Mafia was meta. Now you’re just keeping their vanguard alive longer to torp your backline while losing a volley from NJ at the same time

[stable dawn]

I've used manjuu NJ before in this recent meta and 99% of the time it just never procs, so basically it's a dead slot

might as well put on a washing machine, it's about the same effect

and in the rare instances it does proc, it's always to enemy torpedo rng

which would be a reset anyway

[zenith lantern]

Mine procs all the time. So many close fights are decided simply by whose manjuu procced first

[stable dawn]

wtf is going on in lexi

where fights reach manjuu NJ vs manjuu NJ???

I always have 2-3 backliners alive by the end of a fight

[zenith lantern]

You’re fighting easy fleets then

[trail temple]

Or

[zenith lantern]

Against good fleets fights will be close

[stable dawn]

If manjuu NJ is considered hard, then nothing is lmao

[trail temple]

His Attacking fleet is just better than lexington

[stable dawn]

I see it all the time on washy and it's just free wins

even on a heavily geared MSN fleet

[zenith lantern]

I consider manjuu ancho the same

[stable dawn]

weird af

maybe it's due to Aquila usage

[trail temple]

Think it's just a lexi thing @stable dawn

[stable dawn]

since we have less Aquila users

and more MSN users now

[whole salmon]

Triple BB is always targeting NJ

[stable dawn]

oh it's from triple BB?

[whole salmon]

While Musashi sits at the bottom

[zenith lantern]

This was before people started using Aquila

[whole salmon]

Taking like no damage

[stable dawn]

idk man, it just seems impossibly ridiculous that any fight would reach manjuu NJ vs manjuu NJ

at that point wouldn't it be like 50s+ into an exercise?

[zenith lantern]

It’s usually 2 backline vs 2 backline

[whole salmon]

MSN on Lexington is nonexistent

[stable dawn]

That confirms my suspicions then

[whole salmon]

Just say it is down to NJ Musashi duel cus we all know that it is

[zenith lantern]

If you have an invun and they don’t you win that

[stable dawn]

that's so weird because usually my Shinano lives to the end of the battle

does your MSN use Shinano flag or something???

I usually have her bottom

[whole salmon]

No, Shinano bottom

[stable dawn]

wtf

[zenith lantern]

Bottom is where she normally is

[whole salmon]

Except on my def where Shinano goes top

[stable dawn]

then why such a big difference

[whole salmon]

[stable dawn]

A man of culture, I see

[whole salmon]

Because enemy Shima has a higher chance to one shot the bottom ship

Happens more often than not

[stable dawn]

smh not putting her top just so she can ride you

[whole salmon]

Shinano middle is still not as bad as Aquila middle

[stable dawn]

well either way. I never expected Lexi to differ so much that you guys would end up using manjuu NJ lmaoooo

absolutely insane

[whole salmon]

We have a lot of users with Anti CV mentality

Either that or they use their CVs in pve and doesn’t bother switching gear

[zenith lantern]

We switched when Zoomer became a thing. The strategy changed to killing backlines instead of winning vanguard fight so you want your best -protection on your backline now

[whole salmon]

Which explains the lack of Shinabo in pvp

[stable dawn]

that might be a major factor lmao

before MSN my shinano used only PvE gear and never ever touched pvp

[dusty oxide]

What gear is that shield thing from? Think it’s pink

[stable dawn]

but now I just use York II in my CV boss fleet

and am leveling impy to replace Ark

[neon bronze]

It's a gear skin

[whole salmon]

Now that Aquila isn’t a main stay in pve anymore, people can comfortably use her for pvp now

[neon bronze]

Dunno what it is since I don't have that

[whole salmon]

Shinano seems to still be top pve currently with the Shinano, Haku, Implacable comp

And also that they probably don’t want to invest plates into Wyverns

[stable dawn]

my biggest regret has been not getting a 2nd shinano

😔

[zenith lantern]

Winning vanguard fight doesn’t really matter so much now, if you win it you’re often going to lose your own vanguard within a few seconds anyway and a lone Ancho isn’t much threat also

[whole salmon]

While BBs can just be used anymore

With relatively low investment

[stable dawn]

yeah especially now that 457 is free in opsi

[dusty oxide]

457 free?

[whole salmon]

You can craft it quite easily

[stable dawn]

figure of speech, I meant as in way cheaper than it was before

[neon bronze]

Relatively speaking, yes. It's available in the Gear Lab

[whole salmon]

And most of the time, you only need 1-2 of it for a pvp fleet

[dusty oxide]

Ohhh

[trail temple]

I do have a 2nd Shinano, but she's for fleet tech so can't mlb her

[dusty oxide]

Didn’t know that

[stable dawn]

damn, an even worse fate

[whole salmon]

Like for most people, a 457 on NJ is enough

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

Musashi can just use 356 or 410

The last slot is usually a CV

[zenith lantern]

I got 2nd Shinano just for PvP and then almost never used her outside of testing

[pseudo copper]

I use triple 460 like #gameplay-help taught me

[whole salmon]

But if they do plan to run a BB then they can craft MK4 and use it for a time then upgrade it to 457 later

[stable dawn]

the legendary sandy tech

[whole salmon]

While if you run a 2 CV comp like Shinano Hiryuu

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

That’s potentially 3 Wyverns and 1 Tenrai that needs enhancing

[pseudo copper]

Sandy in charge of #gameplay-help?

No wonder

[stable dawn]

yeah those wyverns are such a high initial investment for casual players

[whole salmon]

A lot more investment than say 1-2 457

[stable dawn]

I think that's why meeb never really caught on in any of the EN servers

despite being objectively stronger when set up properly

[whole salmon]

Not to mention they probably spent their plates on other planes

Like the converging torp planes

For pve purposes

[stable dawn]

junkers for pve

[zenith lantern]

3 Wyvern is a lot of opsi grind too while you get an instant 457 in the prototype shop

[stable dawn]

true, especially now that PR2 can be done with coins

[trail temple]

Still got 10k protocores to burn

[stable dawn]

just wait for them to add the plygun

[trail temple]

I want another tenrai

ngl

[stable dawn]

same

I want like 8 of them

[trail temple]

[pseudo copper]

You guys don't have 13 tenrai?

[stable dawn]

alts don't count

[pseudo copper]

On one acc

[gritty quiver]

+13 wyvern important or can i cope with +11

[gritty quiver]

how long have u been playing to get 13 tenrais

[trail temple]

No, you may be able to cope with a +12 if you are using Hiryuu or Aquila but certainly not +11

[gritty quiver]

well shit

[neon bronze]

chump change for those that play opsi

[static mauve]

uhm

what's the meta these days?

still mafia or whatever ppl called it?

[merry vale]

Meeb, msn or man. Depending on who you ask, those are the top 3 though.

Musashi, Shinano, NJ Aquila or Hiryuu are the backlines being used.

[static mauve]

I've been using that second team in the pins

but there have been new ships that came out since I last came here

[static mauve]

can I throw all the ur together (musashi, shinano, nj) and call it a day?

[gaunt sparrow]

In a comp of Hiryuu-Musashi-Shinano and Anchorage-Shimakaze-Juneau, would NJ replace anyone? If so, who?

[merry vale]

Musashi Shinano NJ is best comp ATM.

[merry vale]

Hiryu gets yeeted for NJ asap.

[static mauve]

oh, nice ok

[valid oxide]

Would any of the event ships steal a place in my scuffed PvP fleet

[merry vale]

Aquila over Amagi.

Aquila is really good in pvp.

[crude jetty]

does aquila drop on any event map?

[hollow walrus]

She's a gacha ship

[crude jetty]

meeeh

thx for info

[trail temple]

I must say, Manjuu NJ does see some practical use, in the lower ranks where fleets are easy

[steel coral]

Manjuu NJ is a viable strat in fleets with heavy vanguard pressure

the issue is that the meta focuses a lot more on backrow pressure with things like shinano and teatorp shima

which drastically devalues manjuu nj

[azure swan]

aquila and duca are both v good for pvp yes?

would duca ever belong in a team with juneau and ancho?

[whole salmon]

Aquila yes

Duca if it was early 2022

[azure swan]

ah

so would ancho juneau harbin work better?

or replace harbin with smth else

[whole salmon]

A non Shima user?

[azure swan]

i dont have shima

[whole salmon]

That’s unfortunate

[azure swan]

yeah

i can have shima in guild boss battles so im happy enough

is kita an okay replacement, or kaza over kita

(for harbin)

[whole salmon]

Don’t use Kita

Ig you can use Yukikaze

[azure swan]

no yukikaze somehow

is kazagumo okay?

[whole salmon]

Then do you have Ayanami kai

[azure swan]

yes

[whole salmon]

With her Aug item

[azure swan]

yes

[whole salmon]

Idk use that instead

[azure swan]

epic

does aya want blue gun

[whole salmon]

Yes

[azure swan]

okay so ancho tank, aya middle, juneau off-tank?

also, does aquila have pre-load?

[pastel jolt]

[whole salmon]

Yes if you use divebomber slot 2

[keen juniper]

Do you have Noshiro?

[azure swan]

yeh

[keen juniper]

I would recommend Noshiro over Juneau

[azure swan]

whys that?

[keen juniper]

As for buffing Aya preload and make your vanguard a bit tanky from torps

[azure swan]

ah

so its anti-shima

gotcha

still pearl on noshiro?

or pearl on aya

[keen juniper]

I use pearl noshiro because I’m running Aya tea torp with extra type 97

[azure swan]

whats that look like?

[keen juniper]

That UR Aux oxy torp

[azure swan]

ohhh

so double oxy?

im confused

oh nvrmd

black torp + oxy?

[keen juniper]

Yeah this

And Tea torp

[azure swan]

black torp is event limited right?

tea torp is black torp no?

cus its bri ish

[steel coral]

this is what I use on aya

[azure swan]

okok

tea torp is event limited right?

[steel coral]

tea torp is gear lab

black torp is event

[azure swan]

it is?

wait

which one is tea torp then

[azure swan]

ohhhh

[azure swan]

icic

[keen juniper]

This what i mean tea torp with extra type 97

[azure swan]

if no black torp then gyroscope?

[keen juniper]

Apparently you need black torp for tea torp

[steel coral]

I like using gyro over black torp because 90% it tries to home on the vanguard and she completely misses

[azure swan]

oop

gyro gives torp?

[steel coral]

and gyro gives accuracy

so she doesn't miss

since her preload is basically all she has

so you really want to make it count

[azure swan]

ah okay

[steel coral]

but as always, what works for me might not work for you

[azure swan]

ill give it a go

[keen juniper]

Tea torp with + black torp

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/697475157739962509/902144573256663110/nj_get_real_.gif

[steel coral]

for shima yeah cuz she has dual preload and a nice AoA so it's fine if she misses some

[keen juniper]

She can miss a lot too

[winged depot]

aya too op, nerf pls

[keen juniper]

Even with two pre load

I’ve encountered countless times

If you running teatorp and your pre load isn’t kill one of the backline, just reset you won’t lose anything

[azure swan]

i mean, im not a hardcore pvp'er, i just want to be able to win harder battles

not super worried about the obviously pvp fleets, just worried about all-ur fleets that require a pvp fleet to beat

[keen juniper]

All UR fleet is meme, especially CBs

[azure swan]

unfortunately my current pvp fleet is not up to the task

it works fine in opsi and w14, but pvp? eh

[hidden robin]

Try to roll for this banner then, Aquila + VV + Abruzzi = deadly team

[winged depot]

could've been if its last year

duca is just sad to look at since slashes were introduced

[keen juniper]

You can use UR mag torp for consistency instead of running teatorp

[azure swan]

thats what ill be doing

[keen juniper]

I believe if you have 2/3 of them if you doing your OpSi

[whole salmon]

It is only a deadly team if you are living in early 2022

For the past 6 months, Italian fleet is no longer the top fleet by any means

The only ship to remain top tier in this event is Aquila

You could roll for Duca if you lack the alternatives

[hidden robin]

Not top fleet but can still sink some typical meta Juneau fleets

[whole salmon]

VV is no longer worth it in pvp

[hidden robin]

Hmmm that i’m not sure

[whole salmon]

We are sure

And we have been sure for the past 6 months

Musashi and NJ are main stay

[azure swan]

yes

sushi is main stay of all fleets

[whole salmon]

VV does not fit in the last slot of the backline nor can she replace Musashi or NJ

She is relegated to a lower tier as a result

Only usable if you for some reason missed Musashi

[hidden robin]

When i manage to upload vid i’ll try doing some recorded matches

[steel coral]

[winged depot]

rare mafia believer

[hidden robin]

I don’t have nitro so gotta find some other ways around to upload vid lol

[whole salmon]

This is partially ALM’s fault for hyping up Italian Mafia even when that fleet is no longer top tier

[hidden robin]

Not really, i still find her good

[whole salmon]

We have to update ALM’s fleet some time

[hidden robin]

Just getting bored of using her all the time so i’m looking for alternative

[winged depot]

musashi

[hidden robin]

I have both NJ and Musashi

[winged depot]

then use both with aquila

[hidden robin]

I’m using her too, for now

Mind you that i’m not using PvP-optimized gears so i may trigger some people xD

[whole salmon]

It is nice that you are self aware

[hidden robin]

The biggest reason is because i’m too lazy to switch gears af

[whole salmon]

While certain others still push pve gear onto pvp

Saying stuff like using converging torps

[winged depot]

[whole salmon]

Or

460 Musashi

[azure swan]

i hate switching gears, takes so long

[winged depot]

A wise man once said.
"If it works, then it works"

[hidden robin]

If Manjuu created a separate gear sets for pvp (in which you can use gears of other girls but won’t take the gears off those girls) i would have optimized for pvp lol

[winged depot]

We would have liked that

Ngl

[stable dawn]

shhh don't reveal the secret sandy tech

[hidden robin]

Btw you guys still let Musashi use the PR1 triple 410mm gun?

[azure swan]

use the blue/purple double410 no?

[lusty hill]

this always happen to me

[steel coral]

also why I just use quint mag on everything now

[trail temple]

Youtube or Google drive can help you

[velvet tapir]

Things that need to be added to merit shop:

1. Extra attempt ticket:
   With this item, you'll be able to challenge opponents in exercise even if your regular attempts is empty

2. Extra refresh ticket:
   With this item, you'll be able use refreshes even if your regular refill refreshes is empty

costs

1. Extra attempt ticket:
   120 Merits
   (20 Purchase limit)

2. Extra refresh ticket:
   200 Merits
   (10 purchase limit)

if this item is added, reaching better rank is possible instead of waiting attempt restock

[stable dawn]

Things that need to be added to the merit shop:

1. Gold plates.
2. Tenrai blueprints.

[neon bronze]

Things that need to be added to Merit Shop:

1. Ranger, Murmansk skins.

[neon bronze]

WOW!

[frozen dagger]

I don't see this mentioned anywhere, but sometimes my bbs refuse to shoot until the enemy uses their airstrike. Is that a gear effect or skill or something else?

[keen juniper]

CV has concealment feature

[frozen dagger]

Ohh, didn't taught about that

[keen juniper]

That’s the bar thing you see over their icon in battle

[frozen dagger]

I use bbs so much I forgot that was a thing

Thank you

[stable dawn]

[keen juniper]

I just want gold plates

[velvet tapir]

then they should also add the Prototype and specialized upgrade parts with following prices

Prototype upgrade part:
1000 Merit
(2 Purchase limit per day)

Specialized upgrade part:
2000 Merit
(1 Purchase per day)

so that to get one of your gears to +13 doesn't requires you to play OP Siren

[keen juniper]

I’m still need Gold plates

[trail temple]

[hidden robin]

Things that need adding to merit shop: Gems

[trail temple]

Also, this isn't the place for suggestions, even if they are for pvp

[neon bronze]

[pastel jolt]

@tired solar Hi, do you have any pvp attempts left?

[light crystal]

When the VG puts in work

[empty mesa]

[winged depot]

Aoste

[fickle echo]

The strongest mafia user

[neon bronze]

duoenvy no longer recording t100?

also, wow aoste

[trail temple]

Just behind schedule

That's a weak Yakuza tho, must say

[candid sluice]

Sub 18k backline

[empty mesa]

Strongest Washi Yakuza.

[trail temple]

When Washy goes full Sandy

[empty mesa]

When they adopt 460 Sushi tech.

[trail temple]

That was a statement, not a question

[surreal bough]

is it mandatory to get aquila in order to fully utilize VV buff in pvp?

im still trying to get aquila in banner funny that SSR is much more rarer in URs

[wicked surge]

If you insist on using Vittorio then Aquila will be very good, but Aquila doesn’t need vv

[surreal bough]

ohh sor im just only needing VV and Duca? @wicked surge

[wicked surge]

Aquila is definitely worth getting for any content , just don’t go too deep and have a reserve

[wicked surge]

If you are using vittorio then Aquila is pretty criticial

[surreal bough]

welp i guess im going to bust resource on this rerun

[candid sluice]

if you dont have aquila better off not using vitorio at all

[neon bronze]

aquila is best preload carrier

[candid sluice]

no point in vitorios buffs if u buff nobody

[surreal bough]

welp im going to try getting aquila

already spending almost 200 cubes lol

[neon bronze]

i've waited 2 years for this ship

don't miss her from 1 week gacha

because i really doubt getting her even w/ tickets

[surreal bough]

ye tickets isnt enough for rerun tbh especially if rng is so so baaaad

SSRs for is always my sleep paralysis demon

[candid sluice]

if u have other top pvp ships u dont have to pull for aquila

[neon bronze]

my gacha luck so bad i got the shop ships from gacha in this event and most of the UR gachas before the really good ships dropped for me

[surreal bough]

well not that much

my only pvp setup is Mushashi, NJ, Chise Ancho, Shimakaze, Krons @candid sluice

[neon bronze]

[wicked surge]

Just use a hiryuu lol

[neon bronze]

got Hiryuu/Shinano and Juneau?

[candid sluice]

juneau to replace kronk nano/hiryu to replace chis

[neon bronze]

[surreal bough]

my hiryuu not leveled Juneau not 125 also

[neon bronze]

then level them up now

[candid sluice]

shouldnt take long to level

[neon bronze]

ez fix

[candid sluice]

dorm queen exp pack event farm squad speedrun

[surreal bough]

im holding this dunno when i get aquilla

[neon bronze]

[candid sluice]

well regardless if u get aquila or not u should raise juneau

to replace kronk

or start farming harbin

[surreal bough]

i have harbin

125

[candid sluice]

use her over kronk

[neon bronze]

the only other real offtank option for "aggressive" fleets is harbin; duca and noshiro are discount options compared to harbin

[surreal bough]

kinda want to try get atleast top 500 but top 1 to 1k everyone has VV, NJ, Aquilla Ancho, Duca, juneu so when i see that comp i insta skip lol

[neon bronze]

???

[uncut agate]

check the tierlist in pins

[neon bronze]

show gears

[surreal bough]

w8 theres new comp that is currently dominating right now?

[stable dawn]

the comp you mentioned is old af

[surreal bough]

is it in the pin the tier list?

[neon bronze]

yes

[stable dawn]

it fell down to tier 2 last year

[surreal bough]

so it fel down cuz we got harbin?

[neon bronze]

Musashi

[surreal bough]

ohh i though mushashi slow

[neon bronze]

are you running izumogun/460 on her? explains why

[surreal bough]

oh the sakura comp is back

[surreal bough]

izumo wha is pvp gun suppose to be equip in mushashi in pvp?

[uncut agate]

the tierlist also has equipment recommendations

[candid sluice]

yea italian fleets are 2021 meta they get stomped by everything else nowadays

[surreal bough]

ohh i just gonna levelup hiryuu and juneu lmao

why im wasting my cubes in rerun im so dumb

[stable dawn]

save cubes for NJ rerun tbh

[neon bronze]

missing out on really good ship though. both in pvp and pve

[surreal bough]

i got all Urs so saved cubes for that

[neon bronze]

well... you can do pvp w/out her, so it's ultimately up to you

[stable dawn]

[surreal bough]

i mean skip

[uncut agate]

i haven't used aquila in a couple of months now, stopped using vv long ago. URs are more important

[surreal bough]

well im just gonna pray to get Aquilla in remaining tickets

[umbral saddle]

i recently got smashed by vv-nj-aquila/anchorage-duca-shimakaze
is this good pvp fleet to go for? (i only have shima/yt2 as gacha UR, also no perseus)

[stable dawn]

vv is worth for the beach skin

[surreal bough]

im not now in rush to get aquilla since i have most of my preload cvls max leveled

[candid sluice]

yea just try to fish her with build tickets if u can

[uncut agate]

aquila gives +1 rld tech so there's that, only for pve tho

[candid sluice]

if u dont get her it is what it is

[trail temple]

It's okay

[umbral saddle]

i was building hiryuu, junea recently in case they would fit into pvp fleet. but is that vv fleet better option?
i was thinking nj-enty-yt2(or hiryuu)/anchorage-shima-junea (nj when reruns comes)

[trail temple]

USS fleets are not great, generally speaking

When compared to everything else

[neon bronze]

you can try getting vv, aquila and duca rn

nj rerun is around the corner

it may take you a few retries against better fleets. but it's better than your planned choice

[trail temple]

[surreal bough]

oh im completely forgot about that welp i need her

[neon bronze]

captain fluffs coming in clutch

[merry vale]

[forest vapor]

Ayyy

[fickle echo]

AotN without Shima

[forest vapor]

Rerun when lol

[winged depot]

oh an amagi player

[neon bronze]

wao... a Meeb w/out Shima user.

if only Letan and Serenity learns from his ways...

[winged depot]

yukikaze diff really

[neon bronze]

reminds me. haven't raised my Yukikaze yet lmao

[forest vapor]

no NJ
no Shima
literally just pulled VV, Aquila, Duca over the last 2 days

I do try to make do with what I have

[neon bronze]

🤝

[forest vapor]

[neon bronze]

i missed out on aquila and nj in their respective event's original runs

Beth approved. Enjoy the Meeb fleet.

[stable dawn]

yuckykaze

[winged depot]

finally someone other than me who does it

[winged depot]

[lusty hill]

no 1

[flat veldt]

[winged depot]

howe guy

[stoic moon]

[candid sluice]

pro player

[lusty hill]

still strong at no 2 now

please don't take my place I need merit

[floral wave]

you get merit when you hit the rank, dont need to keep it

[neon bronze]

Serenity EoS. :pausechamp:

[lusty hill]

aotn get 100 merit

[keen juniper]

AoTN got -1 score

or -2

[lusty hill]

I'm prioritizing merit over eos

I can't get eos without shimakaze anyway

[neon bronze]

???

???

???

Bro's cooking

[winged depot]

[pseudo copper]

Ig Veston never eosed

[unreal leaf]

finally admiral of the fleet, holy shit sitting on 5 exercises was so destructing

[unreal leaf]

not anymore

waking up before 8am everyday dedge

also no shima 😎

good Shinasushi with NJ was the hardest to deal with

what's eos

[lusty hill]

Just wait in 12-14 hours and I'll be number one again

[unreal leaf]

haha

i guess, wasted like 3x +9 going there cuz bad rng

wouldnt like to go for #1 end of season cuz afraid there are a lot of ppl with 5 exercices left that will get first places and no AotN for me

too much time put on bagging to lose first occasion to get #1 AotN

[winged depot]

well, if you are bagging and have a good pace along with it, you just get aotn naturally by bagging

based of experience

don't know if its true on avrora but it is very much the case in amagi

[unreal leaf]

ahh

some days were unlucky and didnt get the best stery

start

feeling like first 2-3 days are the most important

have to work more on the tactics

[winged depot]

not really, I had 3 days with like 2 bonuses but I still end up at 2592 in the end

its just rng, patience and knowing your targets tbh

[unreal leaf]

what's usual score for #1 end of season

[unreal leaf]

yeah and having 10 alarms before each reset

haha

[winged depot]

dk what's usually the r1 in avrora but in our server its been 2597 - 2598

for the past 3 weeks

[unreal leaf]

woke up at 7:20 AM, slept on 7/10 and woke up at 7:50 AM this season

heart beat stronk

[zealous wasp]

avrora was 96 last season i think

[unreal leaf]

hmm

20 left ig?

[winged depot]

I know the feeling but on different times

[unreal leaf]

today 8pm, 2am, tomorrow 8am, 8pm, 2am

25 then

if no rush today i would have eee

[winged depot]

this is 0/10 right?

[unreal leaf]

~73 maybe?

[unreal leaf]

yes

was trying to bag

guess i need more avrora ppl knowledge haha

[unreal leaf]

that rlly helps in last 5-6 days

[winged depot]

yes that is certainly what you need if you want r1

[unreal leaf]

still glad i got here after playing 8 months

[winged depot]

good luck

fellow zoomer player

[unreal leaf]

staags on vgs helped me the most i feel haha

[unreal leaf]

tank you

[neon bronze]

what fleets can use harbin? 13 prints left for dev30

[pastel jolt]

Any can use Harbin, just watch out for speed issues

[zenith lantern]

Usually you'd go Harbin for a fleet that aims to win fast and Juneau for one that needs to survive to get later airstrikes. So Harbin with 3xBB or with Aquila, Juneau with Shinano or Hiryuu. Harbin over Juneau also if you care about winning vanguard fight (which is pretty much just 3xBB).

[junior trench]

How does my future defense fleet look?

[merry vale]

No 125s?

[junior trench]

I’m actually not sure what you’re referring to. Which one is the 125?

[merry vale]

All your girls are at 120, you're missing 5 levels off all of them.

[junior trench]

Ah.

It’s fine, they’re so powerful they don’t need it.

[marsh sand]

[neon bronze]

waifu fleet in def fleet

it's fine

because it doesn't matter

[winged depot]

[tardy star]

Can anyone tell me who is better between vanguard and friedrich?

[neon bronze]

in what fleet?

[tardy star]

Together with musashi and shinano

[neon bronze]

they're both copium and a downgrade compared to New Jersey

if anything, i recommend you try both of them. then choose who you prefer

[trail temple]

To add to what Beth said, just use Hiryuu, cheaper, easier to get and better than FDG or Vanguard

[neon bronze]

how the hell did i forget to shill Meeb

[stable dawn]

smh man rejecting the best (though also most expensive) pvp comp

[neon bronze]

oh well. maybe testing other fleets can come later

[candid sluice]

💀

[neon bronze]

[trail temple]

smh expected more from you

[rustic bridge]

@neon bronze only for you

My best ships

[neon bronze]

thanks, man

[pseudo copper]

Can I see gear pls?

[rustic bridge]

no

[pseudo copper]

Why do me like this? How else will I learn?

[rustic bridge]

[pseudo copper]

Thanks, Ily

[lusty hill]

put that on pin

[stable dawn]

[empty mesa]

Why Bisco with Bisco gun but FdG not with FdG gun?

[junior trench]

Also, why manual torps for pvp?

That’s very cursed

[candid sluice]

saltybelfast manuals pvp

[rustic bridge]

use on All ships 610mm torps

[rustic bridge]

No fgd gun

[craggy cliff]

What's the meta fleet as of now?

Nj,Aquila,vv seems lacking a bit

[candid sluice]

check pins

[rustic bridge]

use this in this season

fuck of back line

[pseudo copper]

Thanks @rustic bridge, with your help I finally hit admiral of the anvy

[merry vale]

[empty mesa]

Flex your AotN, boys.

[pseudo copper]

[mystic salmon]

Sushi use beaver and washing machine?

[frigid hamlet]

hey the date is only off by two digits

[rustic bridge]

Only become i to strong enimes

[winged depot]

[pseudo copper]

You should take advice from SaltyBelfast in order to get aotn again

[trail temple]

You could, altho most people use the HPFCR (check pins for spreadsheet) so she can fire her guns earlier

[ornate cosmos]

Is there any replacement for madburg if i dont have her?

[rustic bridge]

[neon bronze]

Gaming table/HSFCR and Beaver is what I prefer @mystic salmon

[winged depot]

can't tell if you're being serious but anything Saltybelfast related is ignorable

100% a troll

SaltyArrow though. Better Salty

[empty mesa]

SaltyBelfast is just Avrora SaltyArrow.

[rustic bridge]

Low lv ship make mvp

[candid sluice]

Don’t disrespect my boy like that

[flat veldt]

which one is saltier tho?

[pseudo copper]

SaltyBeth

[rustic bridge]

Have Salt of my salt

[neon bronze]

Uh i don't remember being salty

[untold crater]

same

[pseudo copper]

Well to anyone that is Amagi, running an Amagi wide tourney next month sometime, so ig can spread the word

[neon bronze]

[trail temple]

Because you did what I did and won your own comp this time?

[pseudo copper]

I gotta do it on Amagi scale for the proper cucking people from prizes experience

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

Do it over all the servers

You aren't thinking big enough

[pseudo copper]

Nah, not interested in losing money to Avrora

[stable dawn]

just convince that Reiver guy to pay you in advance so when he inevitably wins, you pay him back the same amount

[pseudo copper]

[blissful saddle]

Just wanted to say thanks for the tips and helping me to get aotn fellas

[pseudo copper]

EoS next?

[blissful saddle]

will see how this season goes, the resets are kinda brutal over my weekends because they are at 3am and 9am for me and i value actually getting some sleep

[pseudo copper]

Just use vpn to change timezones

Ez

[blissful saddle]

[winged depot]

good job bro

[keen juniper]

EoS gonna mess up your sleep schedule

[lusty hill]

they should pause pvp during sleep time

[pseudo copper]

Idk, I sleep 6-8h regularly

Even 10h like twice this season

[keen juniper]

You can sleep between reset I and II, because it’s 12hrs, but people live in different time zone

[pseudo copper]

I did p much every timezone/sleep schedule

Getting eos is simple regardless of timezone long as your day schedule isn't too busy during eos and gensui

Can move 3h early on a reset without much of a pain

[stable dawn]

new eos player?

[pseudo copper]

As I am very biased and want to make pvp more enjoyable for the best server around, I went ahead and decided to host a pvp tourney on the season from 10th of April to the 23rd of April for Amagi players. Those that rank in the top 20 EoS by time of final screenshot are eligible for the prizes below if they register their participation in the link at the bottom.

Prizes:

1st place: 20$ reward in desired form

2nd place: 15$ reward in desired form

3rd place: 10$ reward in desired form

4th-20th place: discord nitro classic for a month (this is just a you tried prize yes)

During the tourney, I request you do not change your in game name and discord tag. As a reminder, ensure you register on the form below to be eligible for rewards. In regards to any questions, feel free to dm me. My discord id is Deathkt#1984.

https://forms.gle/aYjPddhA93aEF9mQA

[pseudo copper]

Thanks

[stable dawn]

inb4 you win again

[pseudo copper]

Am busy at that time, if I win it's a skill issue on everyone else

[uncut agate]

ded game mode

[lusty hill]

Have fun amagi players

[stable dawn]

I thought you were an Amagi player

[floral wave]

hes avrora

[stable dawn]

dinosaur server

[keen juniper]

Lexi

[neon bronze]

ez nitro

finally

And maybe a skin investment.

[candid sluice]

the mr beast of al pvp

[river gale]

Any Mr beast on avrora?

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/mrbeast-ytpmv-rap-battle-squid-game-squid-game-vs-mrbeast-gif-25491394

[little bobcat]

guess no pvp this season

869 on first refresh 🥳

[neon bronze]

???

[little bobcat]

got no points

[floral wave]

obligatory veston ping

@winged depot

[neon bronze]

someone got 134 for their 5 starting exercises and still got t1 in their server

hit em @stable dawn

[little bobcat]

doesn't matter skipping anyways

[neon bronze]

what's the score atm

[little bobcat]

idk i dont have the game open

im doing arknights dailies

[neon bronze]

[candid sluice]

priorities straight

[little bobcat]

ill lyk when i finish arknights and genshin dailies

[woeful raft]

pohui

[candid sluice]

nvm a genshin player

[little bobcat]

cope

[woeful raft]

it seems to me pvp is not yours, go ahead for 3-4 to farm fox

[neon bronze]

yeah, go to #gameplay-help

[little bobcat]

yeah i don't have shima so no point in doing pvp

plus no good rewards anyways

[neon bronze]

yukikaze. harbin. kinda downgrade to shima but work as copium option

[hollow walrus]

Would Ayanami work as a Shima downgrade?

[neon bronze]

well unless if you're literally waiting another year for shimakaze

[little bobcat]

i'd rather wait a year to get shima than deal waste mats on yukikaze or keep using ayanami

that'd be shima's only usage to my account anyways

[fickle echo]

Yes, as long you got her special module

[woeful raft]

@little bobcat why is your name in Russian?

[little bobcat]

why is it not?

you got a problem?

[woeful raft]

Are you Russian?

[little bobcat]

да, абсолютно 100% русский, слава украине

[floral wave]

[candid sluice]

worrying about wasting mats in this game 💀

[empty mesa]

[woeful raft]

хаха

[little bobcat]

she has no good tech i see no use in 120ing her

[fickle echo]

Chips are too expensive to use it on non UR ships

[floral wave]

imagine not 125ing ykkz

[little bobcat]

i already wasted enough mats oathing, 125ing and buying a skin for ayanami

[neon bronze]

he used to be "Letan"