pvp

[deft escarp]

Defense good for pissing off baggers though

[whole salmon]

Baggers can beat each other unless they are a low to mid tier bagger

[floral wave]

why do you want to piss off baggers on sandy

[neon bronze]

[deft escarp]

I mean, why not?

[floral wave]

killing dead server

[neon bronze]

hopefully my 2 BB Shinano makes fights against 2 BB Aquila fleets not a coinflip

[deft escarp]

People don't even switch their defense fleet so like

[whole salmon]

Sandy server isn’t dead yet, it’s population is actually higher than Lexington’s and Washington’s

[deft escarp]

I'm only slowing baggers

[whole salmon]

Just that it doesn’t have a dedicated pvp scene

[floral wave]

i meant pvp wise

not population wise

[whole salmon]

More people means more movers to farm off of

And less chances of 9s

So it does affect somewhat

[neon bronze]

Watch the devs add more cubes to PvP

[deft escarp]

I only know around 6 other baggers in Sandy

[floral wave]

anyways, back to the question i had since i cant test myself rn

[whole salmon]

Aside from small communities that still bag in pvp

The rewards aren’t that good

[floral wave]

is 0.94 enough of a difference to not fuck up absolute cd

[whole salmon]

So I can see why this gamemode is ignored

[whole salmon]

Eventually it won’t mess up

Since FDG would outspeed NJ due to her skill

So it doesn’t matter as much in this comp

[floral wave]

thats not fdg vs nj right now

its fdg vs musashi in my case

[whole salmon]

Just run 356 Musashi

[floral wave]

i do

[whole salmon]

Nothing wrong with that

[floral wave]

im running it since i stopped running meeb

[whole salmon]

Fair, no one runs meeb anymore

[floral wave]

question is to determine fdg gun

[whole salmon]

Investment is too high while low af returns

[floral wave]

i mean my investment is already there

could +13 3rd wyvern only

but i just dont like it compared to triple bb

[whole salmon]

Rn I think 356 Musashi 457 NJ MK4 FDG still works

Or you can do the opposite with MK4 NJ and 457 FDG

Tho normally people have NJ as their core instead

[floral wave]

nj aint there for me

[whole salmon]

457 FDG then

[floral wave]

with mk4 shed be 0.94s slower than sushi

and with 457 like close to 2sec or something, cant remember now

[deft escarp]

@whole salmon Would FdG not fk up absolute cd if oathed NJ and unoathed FdG?

[whole salmon]

Be safe and run 457

[deft escarp]

[floral wave]

and the third one doesnt matter

because its 460 seyd

[whole salmon]

[whole salmon]

[deft escarp]

I don't have enough rings lol

[whole salmon]

460 Seydlitz is bants tho

Ari did a match with that

1 shotted an NJ in one of his testings

Immediately from that start

[floral wave]

i mean it works for me better than any other gun in that slot

[whole salmon]

It probably won’t

[floral wave]

the only issue is when she misses

[whole salmon]

[whole salmon]

That’s why we had copium comps

With Agir Quint Rainbow and Aquila Swordfish

[deft escarp]

Does anyone even have contact with other Sandy PvPers here

[whole salmon]

To give enemy enough slow

For Seydlitz to handle consistently

[floral wave]

yeah i remember, but i dont have aquila and just doesnt cut it for me

so i went back to my standard harbin juneau frontline

and by misses i meant enemy evasion, not the actual physical miss

[whole salmon]

Also 4 mins

Don’t overcap

[floral wave]

im dead for 5 days now

[whole salmon]

Welp

[floral wave]

next season, surely

[marsh sand]

AOTN

[lusty hill]

congrats

[neon bronze]

Congratulations. You're getting the hang of it

[candid sluice]

good work

[pastel jolt]

[winged depot]

grats

[marsh sand]

[frigid hamlet]

🤝 me too
You probably pinged iris too many times

[whole salmon]

@frigid hamlet it was only 1 ping

Ehh whatever, I doubt I’ll see that person again

[pseudo copper]

You underestimate Iris

[old portal]

If your defense fleet successfully defends an attack does your rank go up?

[untold crater]

no

nothing happens

[azure swan]

i mean, on a bigger scale, it prevents the loser from ranking up by a few points

[whole salmon]

It gives your opponent emotional damage

[winged depot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/1064418362941255811/4A382285-7320-4D74-A6B0-56A1769F0B3C.gif

[stable dawn]

it lowers your server's #1 eos score

[neon bronze]

[old portal]

[pastel jolt]

Hi, do you have any pvp attempts left? lel

[nocturne zephyr]

Is the Elite Damage Control a must-have for Helena
I assume yes

[whole salmon]

Yeah dats true

[pseudo copper]

Manjuu is a must on someone, depends on who you are using

[nocturne zephyr]

Makes sense. Thanks

[honest moon]

you get half the points as compared to winning iirc.

also. torp bombers: parallel/converging?

[merry vale]

Defense fleets don't give points at all. If someone loses to your fleet they get 0 points and lose the attempt.

And parallel.

[candid sluice]

u dont get half points u get half rewards

[whole salmon]

For pvp?

Wyverns

[nocturne zephyr]

Do I want to use a Champagne Gun for any BB/BC I use in PVP should I lack the 406mm MK7 and 457mm (which doesn't sync with Helena, who I am using)

[honest moon]

That's already covered.

But idt you can slot wyverns on dive bomber slots tho

[zenith lantern]

Which BB?

You can use Champagne gun if you really have to but it’s slow so not very good, better to get the twin 406 mk4 from gear lab and use that (and not use Helena)

[nocturne zephyr]

Seydlitz

[zenith lantern]

She has early strike so Champagne gun would be ok. 460MM might be even better if you have that

[nocturne zephyr]

Would CV's prefer planes better Vs Heavy or nah

[whole salmon]

Then use Tenrai

With the exception being Shinano

Otherwise it is still just Wyvern Tenrai

For basically every other CV

[honest moon]

any sidegrades to tenrais for those not in favour of the rng gods?

[nocturne zephyr]

Helldiver as usual

Do I want bombs on my CV's, or would HVAR's/BF109G's/Skyraider have any place

I assume I want bombs

[floral wave]

pankek

or seahornet, but it even costs more i think, so no point

[nocturne zephyr]

So yeah, bombs

[floral wave]

its more about intercept

[nocturne zephyr]

Ah, yeah, that too

[candid sluice]

bombs

rockets miss more than they hit

[neon bronze]

makes my loss against one of the 2 BB Aquila fleets i encountered look much worse in hindsight bcs they used rocket on aquila

[candid sluice]

thats just you

[merry vale]

[neon bronze]

[deft escarp]

Skill issue

[stable dawn]

how are you still losing exercises?

[nocturne zephyr]

In the case of YTII who can have any type of plane in her third slot, what type should I use
It's between Helldiver/Skyraider, 2x1000lbs fighter, or a VIT-2

I assume a fighter

[stable dawn]

why not wyvern?

[nocturne zephyr]

If I had a Wyvern to use, I'd state I had a Wyvern to use

[vestal hearth]

but do you have the Breguet?

[nocturne zephyr]

If I had a Brèguet to use, I'd state I had a Brèguet to use

[vestal hearth]

no harm in asking

I'd say a fighter then

[nocturne zephyr]

Alright

[stable dawn]

[empty mesa]

Wouldn't a plain Cuda be better here?

[nocturne zephyr]

Should be it
Just need the Elite Damage Control for Helena

YTII's and Enterprise's levels are wrong. Oh well

[floral wave]

fire extinguisher + boiler on ykkz

and probably kicks instead of washing machine

[nocturne zephyr]

For who, Helena or Kron?

[floral wave]

good question, you dont happen to have two?

kron i guess

[nocturne zephyr]

Sadly not. I don't even have one, but I can grab it from Archives whenever

[floral wave]

also scepters instead of bows for cvs

and might consider sword for seyd, but current one is fine as copium i guess

[nocturne zephyr]

IC

[floral wave]

oh

also aa gun seyd

instead of dd aux

[nocturne zephyr]

Extra FP not worth Vs less crash damage?

[floral wave]

hit > fp

[nocturne zephyr]

Oh you mean like, a STAAG
Fair

[floral wave]

hit and eva two most important stats

[nocturne zephyr]

I'll keep that in mind. Thanks

[floral wave]

hm

nvm

thought maybe the fairy poster suggested yesterday could work for kron

[nocturne zephyr]

There we are

(You can get a pair of Cosmic Kicks from WA, right?)

[floral wave]

yep

[nocturne zephyr]

Got you. Thanks

[floral wave]

scepter augs for cvs if you care enough

[nocturne zephyr]

I'll keep that in mind for when I have more augment materials
A bit low ATM

[floral wave]

ye, not a big prio

maybe a wnt for enty/yk depending on whether your frontline survives long enough

also probably fp aa on frontline isnt ideal, but give it ago and see how it feels

[nocturne zephyr]

WNT?

[floral wave]

washington naval treaty

another gear from memento collection

big hit/eva boost and if used on flagship decreases everyones dmg done by 15(?)%

[distant thorn]

• I run meeb
• would frontier medal be better than angel's feather on Shinano since I only really struggle against Musashi NJ Aquila comps?
• I only have one +13 wyvern, where should I put it?

[nocturne zephyr]

Ah, alright
Will also consider swapping the FP AA

I kinda want to just run Sextuples bcuz

[floral wave]

sextuples are fine

[floral wave]

arent you using wnt on hiryuu/musashi flag already?
wyvern goes into shinanos 3rd slot

[distant thorn]

Wnt on hiryuu flag

[floral wave]

then frontier medal will be worse than feather

since its just a catapult equivalent

also that decreases dmg of your own musashi

[distant thorn]

Oh true, didn't think about wnt

Alright thanks

[floral wave]

only one of passive skills work

[distant thorn]

then I'm probably just struggling cuz no Shima and +13s

[floral wave]

or because running meeb

meeb without +13s kinda meh

meeb with +13s still kinda meh, but that might be just my bias

[distant thorn]

Oh and +10 flapjack or +13 sea hornet on hiryuu?

[distant thorn]

NJ rerun when

[floral wave]

id still probably use hornet

but cant say for sure which ones better

[nocturne zephyr]

Sea Hornet is literally the same, but +3 levels higher
So

[distant thorn]

Thought flapjack had higher plane health = more crash dmg

[nocturne zephyr]

Ah, hm

[floral wave]

flapjack has better interception because its slower

as in, plane speed

[zenith lantern]

Seydlitz needs another KMS ship in her fleet to trigger her early strike

[lusty hill]

No she's not

[floral wave]

nah

well kinda

rld buff

but not the 80% or whatever semi preload

[nocturne zephyr]

The needing another KMS is to give said other KMS a preload als, if they have a Marvel Of History skill and are flag
Also so she gives a RLD and FP buff to herself and the other KMS
It's also needed for her tanking

But the important two parts of her kit are not faction tied

[neon bronze]

Still remember those times

Obvs not losing atm, but I overcapped so I haven't encountered any annoying fleets

[stable dawn]

[candid sluice]

I’d rather not use seyd then have to use a second ironblood ship 💀

[floral wave]

denying lexi tech

[trail temple]

Salty has been Faminified

He might as well move to Avrora at this point, he'll fit right in with the pvpers there

[neon bronze]

More like Lexi copium

[floral wave]

whats your issue with lexi

not everyones as good to play jp, you know

[neon bronze]

i inhaled percy copium

reeeee

[lusty hill]

Fuck I forgot the season ends today I didn't use all my attempts

[stable dawn]

[gritty quiver]

is the intercept gun important for bbs in pvp cuz theyre all +0

[candid sluice]

u want them at least +10 or else theyll slow down your fire rate

[gritty quiver]

rip time to burn all my purple plates

[gaunt sparrow]

Is AA important for PvP?

[untold crater]

One of the least important aspect in pvp

[lusty hill]

I'm 2100 opponent 1000, fight or no?

[worldly rock]

What ship is it? Pairing her with hiryuu would be funny

[nocturne zephyr]

Seydlitz, as said just above.

[little bobcat]

what's with anchorage/shima/plymouth running around

it's not even that great is it lol

[floral wave]

nothing

ply isnt really good

[little bobcat]

yeah thought so

idk why i keep seeing that vanguard then

[floral wave]

[little bobcat]

meme defense fleets i guess

[nocturne zephyr]

Why is Juneau seeming so valuable for a PVP vanguard

[floral wave]

heal

when enemy has thrown their shit at you and it gets nullified by heal

[river gale]

basically this skill

[nocturne zephyr]

Oh, her retrofit, makes a lot of sense then

[floral wave]

shes got that pre retro aswell

[little bobcat]

she was a core vanguard pre-refit

[floral wave]

for one type of fleet only

[late heath]

[candid sluice]

💀

[flat veldt]

[pastel jolt]

[merry vale]

[stable dawn]

[marsh sand]

[neon bronze]

[frigid hamlet]

[thorn obsidian]

[brave ridge]

[old portal]

Is the Washington naval treaty a BiS? Is it’s purpose to allow certain skills to proc?

[winged depot]

yes

[zenith lantern]

Depends on your fleet, it’s to slow down fights. If you’re using Juneau that’s better for you or same for CVs that don’t have preload. It also helps you to not get rng killed by Shima and Musashi quite as often so makes fights a little more consistent.

[whole salmon]

Sometimes we use WNT and not have it activated

It just has really good stats

You would commonly see it on CVs

[old portal]

[lusty hill]

This is the guy that records eos each season right?

anyone know when will he move?

[winged depot]

usually last 30 mins or earlier

[lusty hill]

[nocturne zephyr]

Hm, so is it worth raising Jeneau for PVP then?
Currently using Kron + Helena + Yukikaze

[pseudo copper]

Yes and drop Kron, CA and CB are shit if they aren't called Anchorage

[nocturne zephyr]

So Kron for Jenaeu

[thorn obsidian]

also helena is kinda ehh for pvp

[nocturne zephyr]

Whole dock is here
Feel free to make suggestions
Just took Helena because she made the most sense in my mind

[neon bronze]

Helena is a transitionary ship if you don't have much frontline ships lvled

You can equip Manjuu on her

[nocturne zephyr]

Yes, I know I can equip the Elite Damage Control on her

[vestal hearth]

instead of any CAs or CBs, you could have Jervis to tank the vanguard fight since you don't have Noshiro or Harbin

Helena is also fine to keep, but only for her skill to proc and for someone to proc damage control

[neon bronze]

wysi

[nocturne zephyr]

Ah, that's true. I did raise Jervis mainly for W14

w/ Vanguard AA, could it make sense to just stick Sextuples on all of them instead of Twin 134mm's, for that bit of extra strike protection

Or are airstrikes so dense and powerful that I won't take out any more planes than I otherwise would have with lesser AA

[floral wave]

you always use better aa over fp

[nocturne zephyr]

Alright, thanks

[floral wave]

its either staag for hit or best aa you can use

[pastel jolt]

Helena is pretty good for newbies, she can swing fights with radar proc

[trail temple]

She can swing it both ways

More than not, into a loss by not proccing

[untold crater]

is that how it works

60% is more often than not

[empty mesa]

Murphy's law.

[neon bronze]

enterprise's Lucky E skill always procs against me. There was not a match where opponent Enty didn't proc that in last season and current season

I await the inevitable skill issue sticker

[pseudo copper]

Murphy's law

[stable dawn]

you've seen enty proc???

She usually dies before she can launch an airstrike for me

[pseudo copper]

Beth plays slow game

[neon bronze]

2 BB

[trail temple]

Yukana just doesn't understand game logic

30% for x to occur = 100% it will occur against you and 0% it occurs for you

[untold crater]

My fault

I am unfamiliar with such high level mathematics

[candid sluice]

we are aware

[trail temple]

It's okay bro, we gotchu covered

[pastel jolt]

Credits @winged depot for the image

[untold crater]

Yeah might need a part 2 on the math lessons

[fleet laurel]

if i use ancho/harbin/juneau, for the CLs should i use two bow, or equip one of them with sword?

[lusty hill]

Is sandbagging harder in early season?

It's literally almost 6 hours and nobody moved

[neon bronze]

crossbow is preferred

[floral wave]

i always use sword on harbin

[neon bronze]

yeah, been thinking whether to either parrot "crossbow good for CL" or disagreeing

[floral wave]

i mean crossbow is good

im just coping slash is good aswell

and hit actually not a bad stat for harbin

[neon bronze]

you can equip crossbow on Juneau
and have a choice between sword and crossbow on Harbin

[neon bronze]

well, survivability is great to have, slashes can also delete enemy projectiles which is nice

ultimately down to preference

as long as you win.

[pastel jolt]

2 bow is better, fp on harbin matters more as well as aa on juneau

fp on harbin with right gun can shred anchorage before the 20s window

[lusty hill]

No 2

[winged depot]

[pastel jolt]

Kaelis is god

[flat veldt]

Who won in Amagi?

[untold crater]

better player

1v6

[pastel jolt]

Kenny won

[pastel jolt]

[lusty hill]

Who is this Kenny that everyone talk about

Is he the same Kenny that dm people and ask if they have attempts left

[trail temple]

How did you let Kenny beat you?

[untold crater]

he simply outbag kenny bro

same score

[rustic bridge]

what should i use from this

[steel coral]

use the kms

[thorn obsidian]

[fickle echo]

@little bobcat Did you stop using all your attempts during this reset?

Asking because some unlucky player got you on his list

[merry vale]

[fickle echo]

My job here is done, now back to sleep

[little bobcat]

i forgot to do my attempts at the start of the day

so i wasted last reset

or i wasted second

idr

but i lost 5 either way

[wanton hollow]

Hey can someone help me out with a exercise fleet build please?

[empty mesa]

Post your dock and some expert will help you.

[candid sluice]

but you are the expert

[stable dawn]

[stable dawn]

already has Harbin, Shima, and Anchorage
already has NJ, Musashi, and Shinano
You can literally run the meta fleet right now and level them up by pvping.

[wanton hollow]

Oh really? Never really did pvp that much

[stable dawn]

Yeah just run something like this

free wins

[empty mesa]

[stable dawn]

do note that pvp loadouts have specialized gear so these aren't necessarily great in pve

[candid sluice]

you can be my expert bbg

[empty mesa]

😳

[pastel jolt]

Cute

[hollow walrus]

Just a curiosity: Why is Aquila used a lot in PvP?

[empty mesa]

She is?

[whole salmon]

Preload for spotting

Fast damage

[deft escarp]

Pink Boogar

[stable dawn]

[deft escarp]

[brazen socket]

Pink Burger

[gritty quiver]

where do i get blue twin 410 for my sushi cuz twin 410 kai is still too slow even with hsfcr

also does gyroscope work on poikai or do i use a washing machine

cuz i feel like her torps hit rate kinda low

[merry vale]

Iirc from Sakura tech boxes or gear lab with Sakura tech box guns.

DDs want hp, pearl tear or a tool box would be better than either gyro or washing machine on her.

[gritty quiver]

ty

[deft escarp]

356 kai from gearlab

[pastel jolt]

If you need more speed it's better to use a boiler most of the time, you can also consider Wirbel Luft

Gyro is mainly Juneau-only tech

[gritty quiver]

i dont have the time to farm charles for beaver

so ye i needed the spd and also the hit

cuz idh enuf hit aa guns to go arnd

[junior trench]

What kind of Backline should I be trying to make if I don’t have any of the UR/DR Backliners?

[merry vale]

Uhh, some combination of warspite and preload carriers or battleships or hiryuu.

Speed wins.

So when in doubt preload.

[dull token]

ok so

ship suggestions?

[merry vale]

What's your dock look like?

Can't suggest much when most good ships are event locked.

No idea what ships you have to work with.

[neon bronze]

[coral wren]

all those unused bulins

[gritty quiver]

is unicorn good for preloads cuz my bbs are having trouble with the stealth feature cheesing me

[merry vale]

Unicorn isn't the best preload.

She's pretty cope.

[gritty quiver]

i have no other cv with preload ahhhh

[merry vale]

What other CVS do you have?

[gritty quiver]

uh lemme ss rq

[merry vale]

All you need is to drop their stealth, so a proper carrier drop should do that?

[gritty quiver]

im using triple bb rn

[merry vale]

Ahh.

Well I mean makes sense.

[gritty quiver]

my defense fleet is what i use normally for attacking too

[merry vale]

If you can swap Sandi for Juneau. Other than that I think enterprise might do more for you than monarch.

Unicorn wouldn't be the worst
Enty is a little power crept but she would get the job done.

Monarch and Sandi are the weakest part of that team.

[gritty quiver]

but enty is slow tho

[merry vale]

But she does a lot of damage and breaks stealth.

She was old pvp meta.

[gritty quiver]

she gets flag i assume?

since she has lucky e

[merry vale]

Tbh, Musashi wants flag.

Her sword swing hits best like that.

[gritty quiver]

eh okay

then is there anybody here thats already built better than sandy?

[merry vale]

Ehh, not really.

If you need a basic loadout for enty this will work.

Wyverns> baracuda but I don't know if you have any yet.

[gritty quiver]

idh fuel yet but i do have a wyvern

[merry vale]

Use wyvern and 100% grab some fuel.

[gritty quiver]

thatll have to come after i grab another white shell and 2 more beacons

[merry vale]

Beacons are really niche.

[gritty quiver]

i have no rld tech so it helps with other content

[merry vale]

You don't need them unless you're trying to sync endgame comps.

[gritty quiver]

then maybe just one more white shell and beacon instead of 2

[merry vale]

Up to you, but avi gas really ramps up wyvern damage.

[gritty quiver]

i mean u +11 it so its prob worth it

[merry vale]

It increases crash damage by huge amount. And crash damage is a large reason to use parallel torps.

[gritty quiver]

huh wdym

i tot parallel and converging have same amt of planes

[neon bronze]

it's the Plane HP that contributes to crash dmg

[gritty quiver]

oh idk that

[merry vale]

Yep.

That's why avi fuel is so important.

[gritty quiver]

i tot fuel is just for speed

[neon bronze]

Bad plane HP. But this gamemode basically quadruples Plane HP, so that's a lot.

[merry vale]

The enemy shoots down less planes too.

If the enemy AA's your planes down your damage drops like a rock.

Avi fuel helps with that not happening.

[neon bronze]

The Wyvern can intercept like Fighters do, plus have great torpedo dmg.

[gritty quiver]

well that explains how i can slap an enemy for 5k and only take out a quarter of their hp

[merry vale]

Yep.

I +11'd 2 of them for pvp.

They are legit best in slot gear.

[gritty quiver]

is the feather btr than catapult for pvp or sth

[merry vale]

Yes.

Evasion, accuracy and speed are king in pvp.

[gritty quiver]

well shit cuz i joined like an event or 2 after that

[merry vale]

It's not world shattering. But feather is nice.

[gritty quiver]

15 eva is lot tho for me cuz agn no tech

[merry vale]

Tech doesn't matter in pvp anyways.

[gritty quiver]

wait what

[merry vale]

Tech isn't applied in pvp.

At all.

Pvp is 100% about ships and gear.

[thorn obsidian]

and levels

[gritty quiver]

well damn okay

that means the 15 eva still helps tho

[neon bronze]

were you active when Joffre got released? one of the Raid events that were active last year iirc

[gritty quiver]

nop

[thorn obsidian]

they clearly said they missed it

[gritty quiver]

i joined one event before sushi

[neon bronze]

yeah. mb @thorn obsidian

[merry vale]

You trade avi for evasion.

It's a minor upgrade.

Don't feel bad rocking catapults.

[arctic ermine]

for the pvp ranking, does it matter when during the day i do my matches? like do i jump in ranks higher/lower based on my current rank is or is it irrelevant?

[stable dawn]

You get 15 attacks per day but can only hold 10 at a time

so doing all of your attacks is how you earn the maximum points

[thorn obsidian]

and if you wanna min/max, ask the pvp exprts

[arctic ermine]

yeah i wanna reach the highest rank at least once so it shows in my profile haha

[dull token]

I’m image banned :/

[candid sluice]

send imgur link

[acoustic gyro]

What are some good pvp teams? I think I heard someone saying Anchorage and Juneau are good, but who else?

[frigid hamlet]

There's a Google spreadsheet in pins that's forever wip

[vestal hearth]

if you want to reach AOTN, you need to at least win all of your attempts during a season, up to the threshold where you can grab AOTN

it does also matter when you expend your attempts, as when you're around and over the top 100 in score at the time, chances are you are going to get opponents who all have lower score than you

winning against those opponents who have a lower score than you gives you a demerit, say instead of +10, you only get +9

so it's better to expend your attempts sometime just before the hours when the game gives you more attempts

since there'll be a lot more potential opponents in the range where you would otherwise get demerits

[neon bronze]

overcapped

[merry vale]

Rip.

[river gale]

So, I was looking forward to use the Meeb comp, but with Harbin instead of Shimakaze (I don't have shima). How should my vanguard equips look like? Like, who would get the manjuu, pearl, beaver badge, etc...

also, what's the difference between all ancho torps?

[stable dawn]

meeb without shima is almost identical to normal meeb tbh

[merry vale]

Yep.

Try to build as close to that as possible.

[merry vale]

Tldr on Anchorage torps twin blues counter BB, triple purple mags counter carriers.

[river gale]

I don't really have those magnetic torps from perseus event

[stable dawn]

Some people run a slightly different Juneau loadout. I'm personally not a fan but hey whatever works

[river gale]

what should I use instead of them?

[merry vale]

Magnetic torps are op Sci not event locked.

[river gale]

I meant the aux ones

[stable dawn]

I think they're talking about black torp

[merry vale]

Ahh my bad.

[river gale]

speed all the way kinda better? kekw

[merry vale]

Speed is king.

[stable dawn]

yeah you dodge airstrikes and musashi barrage

[merry vale]

With enough speed you out run NJ barrages.

[stable dawn]

if you're too slow you get caught in both and instantly die

[river gale]

hmm, so harbin gets the pearl

[stable dawn]

yeah it's to stagger heals

[river gale]

the guide on pins told that it wasn't really that useful on her, so I was confused

[merry vale]

Most use Shima so it isn't.

Shima gets pearl priority.

Imo.

[stable dawn]

the guide assumes you aren't substituting shima with harbin

it's for when you run Harbin alongside Shima

and ofc pearl shima is better in that case

[river gale]

harbin used on tank slot?

alongside shima

[merry vale]

Nope.

[stable dawn]

no that specific loadout is Anchorage - Shima - Harbin

with anchorage tank

[merry vale]

Harbin runs side tank.

Never main tank.

[river gale]

hmm

[stable dawn]

in your case you want Juneau off tank

to heal

because meeb

[merry vale]

^

Yep.

You sandwich Harbin in the middle.

[river gale]

also, what should I use instead of the black torp?

[stable dawn]

could try rainbow torp

[river gale]

and for the cosmic kicks?

[merry vale]

Less consistent. But it works.

[stable dawn]

anyway black torp only makes the first launch track

[merry vale]

If you lack cosmic kicks use washing machine.

[stable dawn]

kicks are in war archives

[merry vale]

But 100% farm with archives.

[stable dawn]

you can just do SP5 like 60x

[river gale]

yeah, I'm just out of oil for now

but I'll do that tomorrow I guess with the weekly pack

either way, thx for the help

[stable dawn]

[merry vale]

[deft escarp]

[vague fox]

felt like this nano v anchor duel lasted forever

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

YEAH SHAWN

[fickle echo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/516951413411020819/1009754456096772096/Screenshot_20220808-005821.png

[thorn obsidian]

when you censor names for some weird reason

[neon bronze]

Privacy.

[merry vale]

[winged depot]

tockity in chat

[empty mesa]

Bro cucked me a few resets ago.

[keen juniper]

This one is hard

[stable dawn]

[keen juniper]

Lemme guess, you have Shimakaze

Boo yeah ez for you

Need couples of try, yeah

But I don’t think this one will work either Yukikaze lol

The power gap between Shimakaze and any other DD in Exercise is heaven and earth

Double preload speed buff, torp dmg

Yeah i used this, need to yeet the pearls

Everytime i do sandbagging and some top guy not placing Meme defense, demn this wouldn’t be so hard if had her

[empty mesa]

Looks shopped. Everyone knows you can't get AotN without Shima.

[keen juniper]

I know Ari, just bit pain

[fickle echo]

I got 2590 for the first time unironically using battle tractor UVH

[keen juniper]

It’s just my skill issue then

[fickle echo]

@keen juniper Is this you?

[keen juniper]

Well yeah you found me

[fickle echo]

An Akagi enjoyer nice

[keen juniper]

[fickle echo]

I tried to use Akagi in pvp for fun sometime ago lol

[keen juniper]

Akagas still viable ig, just gears invesment expensive

[uneven topaz]

I usually have akagi and kaga in my pvp, dont play pvp often but for the occasion that i do they do very well

[merry vale]

[deft escarp]

Just use Harbin

Or Yukikaze

Maybe I'll get a UR AA gun

457 doesn't use rainbow bps and I don't see a reason to keep my bps for now

[merry vale]

I'm happy with it, it gave me 3 457s.

Well, 2 more to be specific.

[nocturne zephyr]

Would Anchorage + Helena + Yukikaze work well

[merry vale]

It would work. "Well" not as much. Standard setup works well.

Everything else is kinda coping.

[valid oxide]

Would ancho nosh Juneau work if I don't have shima or ayaya

I severely lack good PvP ships and good PvP gear

[merry vale]

It would work as a defensive setup.

Not as strong, but that's a given. But nosh is still good at her job.

[nocturne zephyr]

How is the rest cope, and what would be better

[merry vale]

Juneau gives a huge heal to your entire team, shimakaze does the damage of a backliner.

Nothing else competes.

And Harbin is extremely good when you have the right setup to support her.

[nocturne zephyr]

Don't have Shimakaze. Haven't raised Juneau but can. Need elaboration on the "right setup" for Harbin.

[merry vale]

NJ+ Musashi+ Aquila/Shinano let's you run Harbin over Juneau.

[nocturne zephyr]

Right.

[merry vale]

Everyone else wants Juneau.

[nocturne zephyr]

Ok.

[merry vale]

If you lack Shima. Ayanami or Harbin in the middle is the closest you can get to replacing her.

[valid oxide]

Would either kasumi or poi be better than nosh or does nosh stay until ayaya+aug or shima

[merry vale]

I used poi in the past, but she's too squishy in the current meta imo.

Noshiro is for keeping your Frontline standing vs Shima.

So I would use her till aya+aux.

[valid oxide]

Should I focus my resources on unlocking ayaya or do manjuu and wnt come first

[merry vale]

Manjuu is invaluable, wnt is kinda important. Aya is kinda important.

But it'll take a while to get Aya to 125+maxed skills so the earlier you get that the better.

Manju and wnt are an easy +10 the second you get them, Aya is kinda time gated.

[valid oxide]

So if I go for the gears first, would this setup work

[merry vale]

The noshiro and anchorage AA gun is sub par, the gold torps aren't that good either. You want teatorps or magnetics ideally.

Your BB aux guns aren't quite the best they could be either.

[valid oxide]

I'm trying to get mag torps but I've had exceptionally poor luck with boxes. Which gear changes should be made

[merry vale]

Ideally, your entire Frontline wants sexy bofors or the UR gun. If not staags for lower cooldown and hit stat.

The twin 137 from the gear lab is the best aux gun for your BBs if you don't have Plymouths rainbow gun.

[valid oxide]

Where do the twin 130s stand compared to twin 137 and my current equips?

[merry vale]

Twin 130s are marginally weaker than the new 137s.

137s have a much bigger firing angle.

130s work, 137s are technically better in pvp.

[valid oxide]

I'll use 130s for now, I'll switch to 137s when I have them. Other than my lack of gearlabs gear, are ship aux gears all fine?

[merry vale]

I think noshiro wants hp more than the washing machine because she has low hp.

And I prefer boilers on Juneau for hp too.

If you want 1 boiler 1 anti torp bulge.

[valid oxide]

Double boiler Juneau and pearl toolbox nosh then?

[merry vale]

Yeah

[valid oxide]

Thank you for the help

[merry vale]

You're welcome

[merry vale]

You could also washing machine Musashi instead of the white shell.

She does well with the extra evasion.

[merry vale]

Her damage is from the barrage so the white shell isn't as good as the extra evasion imo.

[violet pewter]

What's that blue gun on Masashi? Is there some sort of hidden tech where she wants to wear a trash gun like that blue dd one?

[candid sluice]

its to increase her fire rate without losing the skill buffs

[merry vale]

If two BB's attack at the same time, it slows down, you use it to avoid that.

[fickle echo]

Barrage that destroys everything>Main gun damage

[neon bronze]

imo Musashi could use the 410kai, Amagi effectively has semi-preload due to the fleet having 4 IJN ships, including herself. So it doesn't slow Amagi down compared to other BB options in 2 BB 1 CV fleets.

But that's an option you could take, since I also prefer 357

[thorn obsidian]

i prefer 410kai for little more damage over the faster RoF

[merry vale]

It benefits fights that aren't one sided slam dunks. After 2-3 barrages, if the fight is still going, whoever shoots the next one wins the match.

1.3 seconds saved 3-4 times does add up.

[candid sluice]

3 barrages in one match is crazy

[zinc phoenix]

Q, why is the AP 152mm recommended over other bb cl secondaries that are, say he moggun Kai?

[floral wave]

because 65 fp

[zinc phoenix]

that isnt ur sorry

[floral wave]

which one is it, seattle gun?

wait no, seattle is he

[zinc phoenix]

is it neptune gun?

[floral wave]

ye, shell velocity i guess

but at this point youre better off with 137/130 than a neptune gun

pr5 130*

[zinc phoenix]

but why? they're noticeably lower damage

[floral wave]

range

higher damage doesnt matter if it shoots a lot less during the match

[merry vale]

[zinc phoenix]

doesn't seem like there's a whole lot of difference, 68 to 70, but people do agree with that

[merry vale]

Firing angle also matters.

[floral wave]

wait a sec, lemme find a link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj47wV9khH0

2 range seems nothing until you see the difference

[lusty hill]

I forgot to screenshot but this guy is crazy strong, it was the usual NJ/Musashi/Aquila + Ancho/Shima/Juneau. I was literally about to win but for some reason my musashi died out of nowhere

I wish they skipped NJ and get to shimakaze rerun first

Not having shimakaze is such a handicap

[neon bronze]

You don't like NJ?

[lusty hill]

NJ is good but shimakaze would be a more significant improvement for my pvp

[gritty quiver]

yuudachi kai cope ig

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

the partial solution is a chinese, japanese or italian woman. all three are Light Cruisers

all three have similar performance to Ayanami

[prisma pagoda]

The iDOLWAIFU pvper

[prisma pagoda]

01/15/2023 Shiburin Fleet... should be the same
||IDK... discord Clyde just tell me Musashi and NJ are explicit ||

[winged depot]

I like that

[stable dawn]

[lusty hill]

the moment I saw a full oathed fleet I know it's going to be hell of a fleet

[sharp totem]

Must be rich or saved up oath rings

[gritty quiver]

would indep be better than enty cuz shes too slow for me even with beacon

she usually either sinks too early or fires too late to contribute

im using tigercat, tenrai and wyvern if it makes a difference

[steel coral]

indep good

[gritty quiver]

does she need beacon or can i use a catapult

[steel coral]

better with beacon

[wicked surge]

Looks killable, attacking advantage is great

[merry vale]

Attackers advantage should be removed.

Or be made smaller.

[winged depot]

No

I like it this way

[lusty hill]

attackers advantages doesn't matter if enemy has shimakaze

[floral wave]

it still does matter

whats up with pulling a letan all of a sudden

[merry vale]

[winged depot]

shimakaze is nice, but as i've always said you can win all your fights without her

[floral wave]

havent had issues winning ever since i booted nano and hiryuu off the team

just saying

[pastel jolt]

Irony.

[trail temple]

Shiburin's fleet isn't scary at all, ngl

[autumn quest]

What are the rewards from PvP ?

[lusty hill]

you get merit which is very useful to get bulins and other stuff from merit shop

[empty mesa]

A false sense of superiority.

[gritty quiver]

mostly bulins tho

[stable dawn]

friendship

[pseudo copper]

Watching people overcap is greatest reward

[neon bronze]

SaltyArrow senpai.

[scarlet dew]

no new UR yet?

[neon bronze]

[valid oxide]

While using noshiro, does she want AoA spam or a regular DPS gun

[frigid hamlet]

Is she going to survive until the first AoA?

[merry vale]

Anti torp bulge might keep her alive.

[violet jolt]

does it matter who you fight or can you just choose the easiest one that is the highest rank

[floral wave]

if you dont care about bonus points it doesnt matter

[violet jolt]

how significant are they? i am doing pvp for bulins

[floral wave]

insignificant then

[violet jolt]

thank you, would i just fight whoever is the easiest then?

[floral wave]

ideally leftmost

so you dont lose too many points and still can get aotn

[violet jolt]

i didn’t see that the ranks were listed, thank you

[gritty cove]

Some people just want to make a statement

[winged depot]

so much hate on pixels

[merry vale]

[candid sluice]

based milf enjoyer

[stable dawn]

Man finally unlocked the power of meeb

[steel coral]

not fair using T0 fleet

[pastel jolt]

[flat veldt]

Kinda unethical imo

[pastel jolt]

Beth should join Café De Laffey. The guild’s account also uses that T0 fleet

[flat veldt]

Why would he tho? Saekano is the most prestigious guild in Amagi

[stable dawn]

CoC has more prestige than all those other guilds combined wdym

[flat veldt]

How can CoC claim the most prestige when they don't even have Unultra or Bucherlord?

[neon bronze]

i'm joining unultra's fenrirhowls

[cinder wolf]

kjs best guild

whatever that is

i wanna join

[flat veldt]

Good luck getting accepted to Kamigami

Need stacked af resume

[cinder wolf]

my resume is pretty good, im the chef of hayakus

[stable dawn]

you're a chef? Name every food

[cinder wolf]

joe mama

[pastel jolt]

Get on his level.

[cinder wolf]

magnus doko?

[flat veldt]

Chef Hayaku and Chef Gensui???

[neon bronze]

Who is this Gensui guy?

[dark lotus]

I need a decoder. There is a hidden message here.

[gritty quiver]

are rainbow mags > quad mags for pvp? if so ill try to make one

cuz ive seen a lot of rainbow mag abusers and its actually annoying

[merry vale]

Rainbow mags are what you want unless you're running tea torps.

[gritty quiver]

i do have tea torps i didnt know they worked for pvp

[hollow walrus]

What are Tea torps?

[gritty quiver]

this

[hollow walrus]

Are they good?

[gritty quiver]

its royal navy gear hence tea torps

[gritty quiver]

apparently for pvp yeah, i only knew that it was one of the best torps for manual

thats why i only have one

[floral wave]

they shoot in a straight line so higher chance to hit more into backline

[gritty quiver]

that makes sense

[floral wave]

damage is higher than mag torps aswell

[gritty quiver]

ive been reliant on my quad mags the whole time

[floral wave]

mags are used when you lean on dealing with enemy vanguard more than backline

teatorps opposite

[gritty quiver]

so if i wanna nuke frontline i still need mags?

cuz shima is cancer as hell

[floral wave]

preferably, yeah

also teatorps like the blacktorp aux

[gritty quiver]

she can nuke my ancho in one hit

[gritty quiver]

i have no idea where to get it

[floral wave]

perseus event

[gritty quiver]

i usually use boiler and oxy torp

[zenith lantern]

Teatorps nuke the vanguard too

[floral wave]

you can still use them without since its just the first volley that gets mag ability

[zenith lantern]

They're good because every torp tends to hit the same ship and that ship dies

[gritty quiver]

oxy torp poikai crits for 7k per torp its pretty insane

[floral wave]

7k crit

[zenith lantern]

With mags the damage is spread out so it's less useful, especially with Juneau being so common to heal off split damage

[floral wave]

wheres that 14k non crit gif when i need it

[gritty quiver]

judging by yr reaction im assuming its poverty dmg to u

[floral wave]

nah

the 14k i mentioned was just a lucky ayanami hit into nj

7k is very much fine, but i wouldnt use oxytorp instead of survivability piece of gear tbh

[gritty quiver]

without oxy torp i lose 400-1k dmg tho

[floral wave]

you lose all the damage if shes ded

[gritty quiver]

tru

[floral wave]

but until it works for you, keep using the oxytorp

[gritty quiver]

do i drop the boiler for toolbox then

[gritty quiver]

o ok

[floral wave]

no reason to change anything if it works

[gritty quiver]

tru

[cinder wolf]

this one

[gritty quiver]

THATS NOT EVEN CRIT WHAT

[cinder wolf]

ye

think i deleted the footage alr, running out space

[merry vale]

[deft escarp]

[neon bronze]

[hollow walrus]

Is it difficult to reach rank 1000?

[fickle echo]

It should be easy unless you're a new player or your name is SaltyBelfast

[hollow walrus]

Well I am kind of new (October)

[fickle echo]

If you want rank 1000 for the rear admiral reward it's gonna be hard since you don't have any of the UR ships good in pvp

[gritty quiver]

heres the problem: i only have poverty shima aka poikai

[merry vale]

[fickle echo]

I was using Poi Kai together with Shima before Harbin being a thing and Poi was still able to oneshot NJ

[merry vale]

I miss running poi.

Her and Shima together was fun.

[hollow walrus]

I don't have PoiKai or Shima

[merry vale]

Ayanami is always obtainable at least.

[cinder wolf]

u better off with other ship than aya

too squishy and inconsistent

[fickle echo]

There's no reason to care much about consistency when you're a new player with barely any ship available

You'll need to reset a lot anyway so any ship able to do big damage before dying should be enough

[merry vale]

Yeah. Aya is still going to be more useful than most random ships in a new players dock.

[cinder wolf]

mid geared aya is even more trash if ure talking new player

rather have better survival vangs so ur backline can deal dmg more safely

[merry vale]

No one survives in pvp anyways.

Against any actually geared team.

[cinder wolf]

they are

[merry vale]

They just need enough damage to beat the average meme fleet.

[fickle echo]

What backline with York II as the only possible UR? Warkai dies to almost anything that hits her

[merry vale]

Unless you're running noshiro or someone else that helps survive torps, most ships aren't that tanky.

[cinder wolf]

early game probably just hiryuu

grab wnt

[merry vale]

Yeah hiryuu with wnt is a good anchor for your team.

She guatentees you get the reset.

Unless you're really slow.

[hollow walrus]

Wdym by really slow

[merry vale]

You can afk the fight and let hiryuus counter expire and lose that way.

But usually her counter gives enough time for easy resets.

[fickle echo]

Hiryuu without Shinano and +13 UR planes won't do much damage by herself, there's is Nagato to buff her but you kinda forget she has a barrage with how low the proc chance is

[cinder wolf]

still better than other perm ship, guarantee 2x airstrike and give u time to reset, less human error loses

[hollow walrus]

Do I like send my dock here if I want to ask for help in making a pvp fleet with what I have?

[fickle echo]

My first Admiral of the Navy season was "keep resting until the barrage finally hits"

[merry vale]

Send your dock.

Pvp chat moves way slower so it's whatever.

[fickle echo]

Not like there's many people who care about pvp

[merry vale]

I care just enough to create a team that walls people without good teams.

[fickle echo]

[hollow walrus]

Do I sort by Main fleet, Vanguard and Rarity as well?

[merry vale]

Mainfleet and Vanguard.

If you wanna sort by rarity go for it.

[neon bronze]

might as well do rarity, but not needed, atm. especially if stryk's going to screech at me for ignoring Hiryuu and Juneau

[merry vale]

No one should ignore Juneau.

[cinder wolf]

just build ancho, dev 15 shes alr usable, juneau off tank, helena with dmg control and cheese ur radar proc to win backline war

[merry vale]

[hollow walrus]

Main Fleet

[cinder wolf]

with the catch up prints ur ancho like freebies to dev 25 anyway

[hollow walrus]

Vanguard

[fickle echo]

Do you have exp packs left?

[hollow walrus]

None.

[fickle echo]

Then I think Hood might be usable until you level up FDG (Assuming Hood has her special module)

[cinder wolf]

can run hiryuu and indept

[fickle echo]

Maybe after leveling them up more, not right now

[merry vale]

I would push for hiryuu. And I kinda agree with the Anchorage Helena Juneau Frontline thought process.

[fickle echo]

Right now Hood/Waspite/Uni or Entry would probably better just for the levels

[merry vale]

They're all super available ships.

[cinder wolf]

non d30 fdg with 2mg

[merry vale]

Their Helena is almost 120 anyways and they'll be using her for years to come.

So that's pretty free.

[hollow walrus]

My Anchorage is still dev 20 rn

[merry vale]

Thats fine

Dev 20 Anchorage is better than every other option.

[fickle echo]

Anchorage/Helena/Juneau should be a good vanguard

No way a level 90 Ayaya is doing anything to a lv 125 ship

[hollow walrus]

For Main Fleet?

[fickle echo]

This until you level up Hiryuu and Indep

[hollow walrus]

I'll see if I can at least 110 Juneau and Anchorage by next pvp season

[cinder wolf]

hiryuu indept, ancho helena juneau

[hollow walrus]

Any other advice?

[fickle echo]

Retro Warspite asap

[cinder wolf]

maybe uni for third slot cus ppl still running aquila

[fickle echo]

There's still a lot of Mafia and Entry fleets on the low Lexi ladder

Warkai+Uni should deal with them

[merry vale]

Uni isn't the best preload. the only new player friendly preload.

[cinder wolf]

did u see aquila there?

[neon bronze]

thinking of an alternative fleet (3 Eagle CVs) but i figured out I'd get blasted here.

[fickle echo]

Aquila rerun copium

[merry vale]

Yeah.

[neon bronze]

[merry vale]

Aquila should be soon.

[neon bronze]

Next event rerun, even.

[merry vale]

[neon bronze]

Only a matter of when.

[hollow walrus]

Aight thank you guys.

[merry vale]

Warkai is also a pretty steep early investment.

[neon bronze]

Can also try this, with Yorktown 2 replacing Essex. Budget option, too.

[hollow walrus]

The loadout suggests Sea Hornet there. What if I only have a Flapjack?

[merry vale]

Flapjack is better.

[neon bronze]

That's even better, lol

[fickle echo]

This fleet loses to a luckier Enty

[hollow walrus]

Also if I have a Wyvern, do I replace Enty's Barracuda with it?

[neon bronze]

considering my extreme bias of "My Enty doesn't proc Lucky E 100% of the time, while the opponent's Enty will proc Lucky 100% of the time"...

YEP

[merry vale]

Yes.

[cinder wolf]

wasting resource on essex when u can just build hiryuu

[merry vale]

Wyvern is best in slot.

[hollow walrus]

For like YorkII's loadout, same as the one shown here for Essex?

[merry vale]

[hollow walrus]

What if I don't have any of the aviation fuel tanks?

[merry vale]

Washing machine> boiler on anchorage though imo.

Start buying then.

They are best in slot items.

[cinder wolf]

lower grade fuel is from box

[hollow walrus]

lower grade fuel?

[neon bronze]

You got 3 months, buy 1 of these per month. You can substitute it with this gear for the meantime, until you got all 3 Avgas auxes.

[merry vale]

Wrong tank.

[neon bronze]

Yes, but poverty option until the guy gets the correct tanks from the Core Shop.

[merry vale]

That's supposed to be a gold catapult. nvm.

[neon bronze]

Oh?

oops, forget about that.

[merry vale]

Just ideally.

Wait nvm.

I'm stupid.

I thought that just gave hp to your carrier.

Ignore that advice.

[cinder wolf]

[merry vale]

It's been forever since I've looked at one.

[fickle echo]

Average EN player

[neon bronze]

shit, i just shilled quyet tech.

[cinder wolf]

alo moment

[neon bronze]

i should stop giving pvp advice.

[merry vale]

It's been so long since I looked at the stats on the oil tank.

[cinder wolf]

nah, keep the memes going

[merry vale]

It's better than waiting 3 months for a play set of gas.

[fickle echo]

2 aviation fuel is enough, all 3 CV fleets gets destroyed by any preloaded Carrier+Musashi/NJ

[hollow walrus]

Wait another question for this. If I have a Tenrai, would I put it on York II or Enty?

[fickle echo]

Enty

York II doesn't survive much and her skill makes Enty launch faster if she launches first

[hollow walrus]

So I should put homing beacon on York Ii so she launches first before Enty?

[fickle echo]

Not really, just use the faster planes on her and the slower on Enty

[merry vale]

Tenrai is kinda slow already.

[fickle echo]

You should use auxiliary for survival on York paired with the tank

[hollow walrus]

Aight. I just want to reach that rank that requires to be at min pos 1000 just so that my friend who also started around the same time as me doesn't tease me for not reaching it yet

[digital peak]

what's the point of introducing ships with interesting abilities if people only use anchorage, shimakaze, aquila, jenau, etc. Shouldn't they regulate that to see interesting combinations? a unit ban system when resetting ranks maybe? It's impossible for new players, 2 friends of mine left the game for that reason, it's really unfair. I need that unit ban system

[merry vale]

If you ban all the top tiers. All it does is create another set of top tiers.

Unless you plan to de power creep pvp to the point all preloads and decently strong ships are gone.

If you ban Anchorage pvp would be fucked really badly.

No Frontline would survive preloads.

[fickle echo]

Ban all the current meta ships and the game will just go back to the previous meta

Enty vs Enty

[merry vale]

I can't wait till we get a third battleship with a nutty barrage like NJ and Musashi.