pvp

[pseudo copper]

Yeah, you are not gonna get bonuses and eat -1s

[unreal leaf]

that's good idea

[pseudo copper]

Hf

[unreal leaf]

im glad i got my best possibile mafia counter

beeing shiryuu

its also the best for me vs 3 bbs

[pseudo copper]

Mafia is outdated

[unreal leaf]

90% of avrora tho

[pseudo copper]

Yeah, 🐌 in adapting

[unreal leaf]

glad they dont as i cant win against weeb
comp

[pseudo copper]

Ideally you'd be using smth along lines of MSN or anything in the pin

Weeb also outdated

[unreal leaf]

what

[pseudo copper]

Meta rn using Sushi

[unreal leaf]

im talking about musashi, shiryuu

ah

thats meeb?

[pseudo copper]

That's meeb not weeb

[unreal leaf]

kk

[pseudo copper]

Weeb is NJ

But personally see MSN as better

[unreal leaf]

so im meeb

[pseudo copper]

Musashi Shinano and NJ

[unreal leaf]

dont have nj
yet

[unreal leaf]

so dont go for Shina boost?

[pseudo copper]

You are using Shima anyways

So 3 IJN met

[unreal leaf]

kk

always thought its 3 beside shina

[pseudo copper]

Nah includes

[unreal leaf]

what bout sushi, shina, fdg FS 5

[neon bronze]

[unreal leaf]

cmon they gonna fix the barrage

dont they?

or copium

[pseudo copper]

I haven't tested, FdG atm being tested in VG spot for triple BB

[unreal leaf]

heard its bugged

[neon bronze]

it got fixed

[pseudo copper]

It's fixed

[unreal leaf]

ahh

[merry vale]

Fdg5 is still kinda NJ coping though.

[unreal leaf]

and still outpetformed by nie?

nj

[pseudo copper]

Barrages in pvp are not fair

[unreal leaf]

:/

[pseudo copper]

Though can just wait for testing to be done, I personally don't see it happening

[unreal leaf]

HP aswell

every time i was trying warspite

she got 1shoted

[neon bronze]

I personally run Musashi - Vanguard - Shinano, no NJ. Coping is technically fine since you beat up most shit by Shinano's airstrike with 2 BB Shinano

[unreal leaf]

kinda 💩

[winged depot]

you win fights?

[pseudo copper]

[neon bronze]

Then again I haven't reached most of the guys with good defense fleets.

[winged depot]

amagi and good def fleets

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/1064418362941255811/4A382285-7320-4D74-A6B0-56A1769F0B3C.gif

[merry vale]

[neon bronze]

[unreal leaf]

what are the worst def fleets to fight

[merry vale]

Speaking of that.

[unreal leaf]

reset soon

[merry vale]

I moved my defense fleet Musashi to flag.

Because I think it'll be more annoying to deal with.

[unreal leaf]

u are cruel

[winged depot]

I like fighting Musashi, nj, shinano fleets personally

[unreal leaf]

time waster 🤬

[merry vale]

And defense fleets don't get their flag as viciously fucked by preloads.

[neon bronze]

I personally have the worst problems with 2 BB Aquila fleets. Even Mafia

[unreal leaf]

i mean what's the worst def fleet to fight with

agh

ahh

[neon bronze]

[unreal leaf]

for me shiryuu

hits the most

meeb defensive fleet

dont have shima to burst it

[winged depot]

only thing that fleet can do is to waste time imo

[merry vale]

I can see how meeb really fucks with low offense teams.

[unreal leaf]

maybe i need better aa idk

burst or aa

[merry vale]

Since I'm not flagging hiryuu right now I should swap out wnt for a catapult.

See if it actually does anything for me.

[unreal leaf]

u are so crueel

[neon bronze]

BBs, STAAG, Hazemeyer is copium, you'll use it to craft a STAAG anyway
Anchorage and Juneau (if you run her), Sexybofors or the UR AA gun, up to ur preference
Shimakaze (or any Torp DD), STAAG

[unreal leaf]

good

so i need NJ/Vanguard/Shima

so 2 months more

[neon bronze]

vanguard is completely a copium and downgrade choice for nj

[unreal leaf]

would love to get an ingame option to refresh ppls position

[neon bronze]

[unreal leaf]

instead relaunching the game

:))

[neon bronze]

pvp is an abandoned child.

[unreal leaf]

yeahh

[unreal leaf]

its much funnier than pve tho

😵‍💫

[neon bronze]

all they have to do to make pvp a viable gameplay part of Azur Lane is to add cubes somewhere in it

[unreal leaf]

gib cubes in merit shop :copium:

i guess ill buyout all merit shipgirl

s

how much merit do you recommend to stock after this

40k? idk how many shipgirls are usually put in2 merit shop in patch

1 20k, 1 8k, 1 5k?

[merry vale]

I just kinda forget that pvp gives currency.

It's an extreme surplus if you actually do pvp frequently.

[unreal leaf]

i started 6 months ago

so lots of ships to buy

im so glad i started on Sushi rerun tho

life would be so hard without her

:D

[neon bronze]

😄

[merry vale]

She's arguably the best ship in the game for everything.

You were lucky to start with her.

[neon bronze]

[merry vale]

[unreal leaf]

would say its Sushi

life became even easier then

:D

i meant Shina

not Sushi in the first place

im stupid :D

makes sense what you said then

Sushi the best ship mommy girl

sadge we dont have l2d/oath skin for her

[merry vale]

Yeah to clarify i meant Musashi.

And give it time, NJ waited quite a while for her oath skin.

I'm sure they'll want to milk anyone who hasn't oathed her already for another ring.

[stable dawn]

iirc Donald Trump has a 100% winrate on Avrora

[lusty hill]

Does winrate resets each season or does it count all the way since the account created?

[neon bronze]

The latter. Last time I checked, I had 95.7%~ winrate

and M-lord has 99.7%~ winrate, idk the exact number

[lusty hill]

Welp definitely impossible to get 100% now

omw make new account

[neon bronze]

[neon bronze]

oops, i was wrong. Sorry, M-lord

[candid sluice]

M lord gaming

[dapper stone]

what planes do I use?

[stable dawn]

ideally you'd have this setup:

[dapper stone]

oh thought I'd put tenrai on shinano

[stable dawn]

no it's too slow

[dapper stone]

I have that one flipped 😄

[stable dawn]

also if you don't have enough +13 wyverns, you can swap out shinano's first wyvern for a breguet

since the first slot only has 2 planes

[dapper stone]

is breguet better than +10 wyvern?

[stable dawn]

the main thing is breguet is a TB that can intercept

[dapper stone]

so I could just use a wyvern

[stable dawn]

yeah if you have a wyvern just roll with it

anyway that final +13 is lower priority

[dapper stone]

I have my +13 wyverns in the 140/150% slot now

[stable dawn]

[dapper stone]

what gun on mushi?

the kai or the AP one

[stable dawn]

for meeb I usually use:

ofc if you have rainbow AA guns at +13, use those for vanguard

but I am poor

so

[merry vale]

3 +13 rainbow aa guns is a little much when it comes to plates.

[stable dawn]

just means you're poor too

[merry vale]

[cold vessel]

God damnit

[merry vale]

You don't take first if you tie with them either.

First come first serve

[cold vessel]

[neon bronze]

[little bobcat]

account creation, i still only have 98.9%

[empty mesa]

Omg, Amagi pvper.

[merry vale]

Where?!?

[empty mesa]

Luong.

[brave ridge]

[pastel jolt]

@candid pumice Hey can I ask when you are going to use your pvp attempts

One of my friends needs you for a bonus

[cold vessel]

Rare sight?

[empty mesa]

Not very tbh.

[pseudo copper]

Everyone that talks here p much Amagi except a few

[merry vale]

Funny how that worked out.

[cold vessel]

So how many people do pvp and is it any indication of the server population? Lowest rank I've seen was somewhere like 10k - 15k

[pseudo copper]

These would be the stats from DuoEnvy charts

[cold vessel]

So that's only the people participating in PvP?

[pseudo copper]

P sure yes

[cold vessel]

Interesting, thanks

[lusty hill]

Avrora got the highest total users but the lowest eos

[merry vale]

Skill issue.

[pseudo copper]

Lowest amount of new eosers, just means Avrora more consistent

Or harder to break through to t100

[empty mesa]

Old pvpers gatekeep newer players from EoS.

[lusty hill]

[rustic bridge]

Shold i Magdeburg remove for emden

[uncut agate]

Sure

[cold vessel]

Tired of seeing the Juneau + Shima + Anchorage vanguard literally everywhere in the top 50

I get its meta but more creativity would be nice

[untold crater]

Fax

Where is my waifu defenses

[lusty hill]

I agree with you, people should stop using shimakaze

[uncut agate]

stop looking at defence fleets, problem solved

[winged depot]

We need more def fleets with cheshire cause its based

[candid sluice]

replace shima with ibuki for originality and wifu

[violet kernel]

Pack-filler trash DD vanguards are the most blessed and most based.

[candid pumice]

Unsure what bonus you're talking about but sure, done.

[pseudo copper]

You can gain bonuses by attacking someone a certain amount of points higher than you

[jolly lichen]

is fdg any good for pvp again or is NJ still better

[pseudo copper]

Lemme ask Brah for you

@ brah is FdG good?

[idle viper]

how does certain CV able to launch airstrike immediately at start of battle even if it isn't mention in skill description like unicorn?

[untold crater]

only Unicorn; Chise Asukagawa; Perseus and Aquila have preloaded airstrikes

[idle viper]

really? only these 4?

or are there augments that help them launch immediately?

[whole salmon]

I mean

We do change meta frontliners every 2 years or so

So pray that it would change 2 years from now copium

[whole salmon]

None currently

So only those 4 have preload

[stable dawn]

Just wait for PR6

they'll add a new DD that takes 1% of incoming damage

[marsh sand]

[gritty cove]

Anchorage is the biggest problem for any variety vanguard

[merry vale]

Well, when damage is so high she's required, i'd say the actual problem is the overall damage output.

That breeds the necessity of anchorage.

[floral wave]

variety vanguards are like variety streamers, shit

[honest moon]

People forget the one golden rule.
The more you use juneau, the more of a pussi you are

[merry vale]

I can't hear you over the sound of me winning.

[honest moon]

Jokes on you, i get to t1 without using juneau

Azuma + AP gun deletes anchorage any day

[floral wave]

yo mans from 1930s

wake up grandpa

[honest moon]

Arent all our shipfus from pre 1950s...

[floral wave]

no

many of them didnt even exist

[gritty cove]

Shima and Anchor did kinda do that

[merry vale]

Musashi and NJ aren't helping either.

[gritty cove]

Tru

[merry vale]

Musashi alone destroyed your ability to use a fragile frontline.

I was successfully using Shima+ poi kai till that update.

[honest moon]

And that's the reason ppl running disgusting heal comps

[merry vale]

Yep, if it wasn't for musashi i'd be running poi instead of Juneau still.

She was the thing that forced meta adaption on my part.

[gritty cove]

Then again running anything on sandy works

Just doing fdg, seydlitz and graf

[honest moon]

Ah i see i have a fellow church of sandy follower

Sandy namba wan

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-san-diego-parade-sandy-meme-gif-25215032

[gritty cove]

Sure, but can I just have one guy with an actual defense fleet with good equips to test things on

[honest moon]

Lotsa meme fleets/collab fleets

Although you have the occasional trash heal fleets

[gritty cove]

Sandy just a meme server

Not helping that I miss every sandbag and forget to do matches

[merry vale]

That sounds really boring, at least Amagi has a few people that try to use a non shit defense fleet.

[valid oxide]

Amagi is fun, I just set my defence fleet for a mix of gold and purple METAs with no gear

[untold crater]

As it should be

[vague fox]

How's this look? I'm not really sure what I'm doing with gear

[candid sluice]

harbin teatorps without blacktorp is kinda wack

otherwise its pretty good

[vague fox]

Oh you just use those as a pair? No blacktorp so I'll stick with quads then

[candid sluice]

yea the pair has great nuking potential

but without blacktorp the torps will miss more often than not

u might as well not be using it

[vague fox]

i see, thanks

[candid sluice]

also use either hiryu or sashi flag holding wnt with that setup

nano always takes off pos

[vague fox]

oh yeah she is, i just wasn't thinking about positioning in the builder

[warm crow]

i'd say it would be a bit better if that shinano 1st slot wyvern goes to hiryuu instead, then you can prob use helldiver for nano instead of suisei cause breguet/wyvern is faster than 2x wyvern

oh and move the sextuple to juneau since it has more damage per shot than the roomba, and juneau has better AA

[vague fox]

sexy on both, or just swap em?

[warm crow]

i run sextuple on both since you get the most damage per shot there instead of roomba+sextuple

[stable dawn]

I would not use Juneau mid.
For your setup I'd go
Front - Anchorage
Mid - Harbin
Back - Juneau

[winged depot]

KMS good bros, after 30 battles

[merry vale]

[lusty hill]

is that fs5 fdg

[winged depot]

Fs 3 since i'm poor

[lusty hill]

fs3 should merge her yellow skill right?

[merry vale]

fs4 fdg.

https://i.imgur.com/6GD33Om.png

[winged depot]

How many battles did that take

to happen

[merry vale]

First shot.

[winged depot]

mine took 30 to take the mvp

[merry vale]

Remember, fdg is the pinnacle of consistency.

[winged depot]

[merry vale]

https://i.imgur.com/UQ026xz.png

Let's not kid ourselves here though.

https://i.imgur.com/jtW3MtA.png

At least she's consistently above 30k damage?

[candid sluice]

Finally the nj killer

[neon bronze]

my copium is blossoming

[pastel jolt]

Thanks for the +12! @merry vale

[merry vale]

Oh welcome, glad more than just 1 person benefited from that.

[neon bronze]

Fluffy gaming

[neon bronze]

didja do 15 exercises, or only 10?

[merry vale]

Nah, i had 7 when kirito asked me to move.

And now i'm rank 1 by quite a few points.

[neon bronze]

Did you get minuses?

[merry vale]

Yeah i ate one or two, but i really don't care.

My focus isn't on EoS really anyways.

[neon bronze]

understandable

[merry vale]

It's hard for me to give a single fuck, so i usually lazy rush.

I sandbag when i feel like it just because it keeps me at the top of the ladder more often.

I try not to eat 9s at all, but i'm really not worried about it.

[stable dawn]

you guys pvp?

[neon bronze]

[ancient fable]

anyone know if fleet technology bonus applies to pvp as well?

[floral wave]

it doesnt

[ancient fable]

got it, thanks!

[neon bronze]

if it did then the pvp scene would've gotten far, far worse

[deft escarp]

You're missing out on the people who actually put a half-decent defense fleet

[gritty cove]

That's what you'd think, it's just that sandy has shriveled into a meme fleet culture only

[deft escarp]

Well yeah

People put Shinano flag for some reason in their defense fleet

[merry vale]

Barbarians.

[candid sluice]

I’m more of a hog rider enjoyer

[neon bronze]

Hog rider strat in AL PvP when

[thorn obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/hog-rider-coc-clash-of-clans-gif-24053135

[neon bronze]

Dragon enjoyer. Nicest unit to play with

[untold crater]

Larry.

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/clash-of-clans-larry-ashamed-embarrassed-gif-4169596

[fickle echo]

@midnight heron Why did you move 1 reset earlier this time?

[untold crater]

Side gamemode

[deft escarp]

[midnight heron]

wot

no one's schedule is always the same bruh

[winged depot]

Oof

[fickle echo]

[candid sluice]

bro thinks this is a 9 to 5 💀

[stable dawn]

pvp is serious business

[lusty hill]

people here have schedule of each other

[thorn obsidian]

if anyone is ever lucky(unlucky) to get me in amagi pvp, i hardly ever move until i have 10 attacks, or i forget i have 10 attacks and waste 5

[stable dawn]

sounds like you need to be more serious

[thorn obsidian]

im just in it for the bulins

thats all

[neon bronze]

i believe in minty

[thorn obsidian]

I don’t

[whole salmon]

[empty mesa]

Baggers know movers habits better than they know their own mother.

[pseudo copper]

I thought we were meant to be familiar with your mother

[empty mesa]

I doubt you are familiar with any woman.

[merry vale]

[pseudo copper]

I am familiar with you

[vestal hearth]

let me just adjust my spreadsheet

ah yes

Haloist moves one set earlier on Tuesday nights

[empty mesa]

Nomicunny smurfing on Lexi?

[vestal hearth]

if not me, then who else

[empty mesa]

Bad fleet, no Persy.

[merry vale]

Looks like shimakaze fodder.

She'd sneeze and your Frontline is gone.

[gritty cove]

Slap a smokescreen ship for torps and pray

[floral wave]

belfast

[neon bronze]

[candid sluice]

Use jarbus

[marsh sand]

Finally reach Admiral

[pseudo copper]

[merry vale]

[candid sluice]

Good work

[little bobcat]

the only time i'll be able to hit top 10 this season and it's coincidentally right before i have enough points for aotn

funny game

[cinder wolf]

git gud

[little bobcat]

i got bad luck

[cinder wolf]

should hv learn from mksman

[pseudo copper]

Hitting aotn needs no luck

[candid sluice]

You just need positive thinking

[pastel jolt]

Hi, do you have any pvp attempts left? lel

[lusty hill]

is this good?

[pastel jolt]

Better than KENNY.

[pseudo copper]

Not gonna be eos in Avrora with that

[empty mesa]

At this point you can just check all top10 baggers at reset time.

[pastel jolt]

Well, the highest compliment that could be given is that his pace is better than Kaelis’s.

[lusty hill]

I lost once this season so not aiming eos

[pastel jolt]

Easily gets AoTN then

[lusty hill]

what's the minimun to get eos in avrora

[pastel jolt]

You could probably finish top 15 with 2580+

That +2 pace is top 10 in Amagi and Lexington

[uncut agate]

Check the pins for previous seasons

[lusty hill]

what does +2 pace mean?

[pastel jolt]

Get +2 per reset

So either a +12 or 2 +11

[lusty hill]

all 5 attempt get +12 or once every reset?

[pseudo copper]

You get a total of +2 per set

[pastel jolt]

To be frank, with your current pace, if you +1 every set you can easily finish top 20

[lusty hill]

oh I get it

[pastel jolt]

Statement above said 2 +11s. If it were for every attempt, I would have said 5 +12s

[lusty hill]

well usually I get at least a +1 each reset and +3 if lucky

[pseudo copper]

5 +12s to get first

[pastel jolt]

That is Kaelis pace.

He just needs to ask “Hi, do you have any pvp attempts left? lel”

[empty mesa]

DM Famine to move for you. Ez +1.

[pseudo copper]

Famine is +2

Maybe +3 even, Famine super nice

[pastel jolt]

+3

[empty mesa]

What's Famine pace?

[pseudo copper]

100x better than yours

[pastel jolt]

Higher than yours

[empty mesa]

Never thought it's worse.

[pseudo copper]

Take your pace

And x100 it

[empty mesa]

0x100=0

[pseudo copper]

[candid sluice]

using kagabot in 2023

[lusty hill]

[empty mesa]

Superior bot. Comes with a useful ranks chart and a motivational quote.

[candid sluice]

does it have famine references

[pseudo copper]

Focus on your training,
If you do the bare minimum, expect bare minimum results.

[candid sluice]

bare my nuts

[lusty hill]

lmao

[merry vale]

🔨

[pastel jolt]

Thank you Kenny

[pseudo copper]

Thank you Kenny

[merry vale]

Finally got my fdg at fatesim 5. Anyone that rolls me tell me how bad it actually is or not.

I also have Harbin built and ready to go instead of Juneau but I'm still not sure who to use with Fdg yet on a defense fleet.

[rustic bridge]

only to strong Player become i

[gritty cove]

FdG looking kinda mid, smh

[merry vale]

I don't see any strong players.

[merry vale]

I think your Juneau is just cracked.

[gritty cove]

Or on crack

[old portal]

This is a strong fleet right? Is Anti-Air the only thing I’m lacking

[merry vale]

Your frontline is made of paper, Nagato isn't the greatest anymore either.

[winged depot]

nagato is meh, and all not strong fleets lack an achorage

But if you're still gonna go a full ijn fleet. Noshiro instead of azuma, Hiryuu instead of nagato

[old portal]

Hiryuu doesn’t provide an IJN ship buff though right?

[winged depot]

Hiryuu would save you more than nagato

[untold crater]

It's like having musashi not flagship is far from ideal

Hiryuu can tank a lot of damage thanks to her Final Counter skill

For your Frontline you'd want anchorage to tank, and Juneau to heal all your ships

[old portal]

Is not having a one faction fleet not that bad?

[untold crater]

It's ideal

[winged depot]

Suzutsuki instead of yuudachi too

[old portal]

I always figured it was best that’s why I put Nagato there but maybe not anymore

[winged depot]

Anchorage is just broken in this game mode

[untold crater]

Monofaction doesn't work anymore because there's really good ships from both IJN and USS

If you have NJ then it's 100% better than Hiryuu

[winged depot]

NJ, FDG (surprisingly)

[old portal]

So is having an all USS fleet not ideal either?

[untold crater]

I'm not sure about FdG since i haven't tested yet

[untold crater]

No, since you'll be missing out on Musashi and Shimakaze damage

[winged depot]

She's doing fine, not better than nj and musashi though

[untold crater]

Obviously, but I'm thinking for 3BB

[winged depot]

since no nj I have her on my attack

[velvet tapir]

best CV/CVL BB to counter shinano?

[knotty trench]

Who would win in PVP a Lvl 125 Enterprise with all top end gear or a Lvl 125 Anchorage with top end gear?

[little bobcat]

why would you compare a main fleet to a vanguard

[marsh sand]

[knotty trench]

I literally experienced an Anchorage vs Enterprise fight in PvP and it was boring as f*ck

[little bobcat]

enterprise would win assuming she isn't at low hp

[knotty trench]

My opponent's Anchorage only took 25% of her HP down during the Vanguard Wipeout and and I literally watched 2 minutes of the most boring battle between a cruiser and carrier

[untold crater]

Anchorage

[knotty trench]

Well jokes on you, I somehow won

[untold crater]

You're asking 1v1

Cruiser can't lose to CV if both are full hp

[pastel jolt]

anchorage wins

[knotty trench]

That's what I thought too, until I checked my equipment

[winged depot]

Manjuu enty

[untold crater]

Starting to think you weren't fighting a top equipment anchorage

[pastel jolt]

[untold crater]

But yeah, attacker has 20% DR buff so you shouldn't be losing pvp that often anyways

[pastel jolt]

@little bobcat did you lose a fight?

[winged depot]

Those 2 planes though

[pastel jolt]

Or are you 2047 1/10

[knotty trench]

I don't even know what the euipment was on Anchorage but she was level 125 when I fought her

[untold crater]

Ikwym.

[knotty trench]

So I assume it's top end stuff and pro

[pastel jolt]

No

[little bobcat]

did i lose a fight this reset? or did i lose a fight overall

[pastel jolt]

This reset, or are you 1/10

[little bobcat]

i haven't lost this reset but i lost a fight earlier today because i wasn't paying attention

uhh

i think i used my last exercise idr

i can check in asecond

[pastel jolt]

Based rushers losing

[knotty trench]

It was a 0/10 I did beat the Anchorage user

[pseudo copper]

Brah lost so bad he got banned from the server

[pastel jolt]

BASED

[velvet tapir]

i just hate when it comes to fight the foes' shinano which leads me to lostrek

[pseudo copper]

Never appeared in pvp again

[little bobcat]

2047 0/10

so i lost like a fight or two idk

i don't pay attention

this game is afk for all i care

[pastel jolt]

Maybe you should pay attention so you can get AoTN since you wanted it so much

[untold crater]

At that rank range you won't find any good fleets

[untold crater]

Stay mad u didn't get your bonus bro

[little bobcat]

i don't even use merit so

whatev

[pastel jolt]

Bro he's too low for a bonus and has been for 4 days

[knotty trench]

I did fight a few 17ks once before

[untold crater]

Idc

[winged depot]

Enty should be good at that rank range

[untold crater]

Yeah Fleet power doesn't mean as much as the team comp does

[pseudo copper]

Fleetpower doesn't matter outside telling you about what gear they are using

[pastel jolt]

[pseudo copper]

Assuming they have a proper comp

[knotty trench]

I know

Should I swap out Ibuki for jinstu next refill?

[little bobcat]

neither are really that good

[untold crater]

Shouldn't be using either

[pastel jolt]

just use yukikaze if no shima

[pastel jolt]

:yukithrust:

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

You losing a fight does affect others

Sadge no bonus

[winged depot]

[candid sluice]

Rushers losing 💀

At least they doing their tickets

[fickle echo]

Baggers when the mover doesn't have any pvp attempts left, lel:

[little bobcat]

what even is a rusher

you seem to really like parroting that term

[fickle echo]

Rusher is the player who rushes the exercises

[wispy sluice]

Is it good idea to put pearl tears on Juneau for exercise

[little bobcat]

oh

idk why that has to be a specific term

[winged depot]

What's your frontline looking like

[wispy sluice]

Roon and ancho

[winged depot]

Should be okay

[wispy sluice]

And Juneau off tank

I need Juneau to die so my tanks last longer

[pseudo copper]

Drop Roon

[winged depot]

No harbin?

[wispy sluice]

For who?

[little bobcat]

anchorage is pretty much immortal idk how you have issues with her dying

[pseudo copper]

Who do you have?

[wispy sluice]

Emden sandykai Portland helenakai

[whole salmon]

Dead

[wispy sluice]

These are all max level

And chesh like level 120

[little bobcat]

do you not even have like

ayanami or noshiro as vague cope options

[wispy sluice]

Yes but underlevelled

Can I drop roon for chesh?

[little bobcat]

no

cheshire is worse

[winged depot]

helena maybe

[wispy sluice]

I focus on noshiro or ayanamikai first?

[winged depot]

Noshi

[wispy sluice]

Also both is mlb so it’s not that bad

So noshiro for roon

[deft escarp]

Shinano flag?

[winged depot]

Yes noshi for roon

[wispy sluice]

And my backline is mushy flag, vanny and enty

Yes I have shinano
No I don’t have haku

[little bobcat]

do you have hiryuu

[whole salmon]

Testing for def

[candid sluice]

Enty out nano in

[deft escarp]

[wispy sluice]

Yes but underdeveloped no kai

[whole salmon]

Without WNT activated then Aquila fleets would have an easier time

[deft escarp]

Been seeing Shinano flag a lot lately with that backline in Sandy

[wispy sluice]

Which torps for noshiro?

I have quad mag gold and purple quad torps

[whole salmon]

It’s a matter of wanting to activate WNT or not

Since WNT goes on Shinano

On offense then I have Musashi flagship

[candid sluice]

Quint rainbow

[deft escarp]

What about defense?

[wispy sluice]

Don’t have it

[candid sluice]

Quad gold mags then

[whole salmon]

On defense then I’m still figuring things out

[wispy sluice]

Ok

[deft escarp]

Would off-flag Musashi just run rudder+table?

[whole salmon]

Table Beaver

[deft escarp]

Ah

I forgot about badge

[cunning jay]

should i replace aquila with dev 30 haku?

[winged depot]

Nope

[cunning jay]

err... why?

[fickle echo]

Haku has lower efficiency on torpedo bombers and no defensive skill

Much worse than Shinano in pvp

[cunning jay]

is musashi better off flag or flag?

[fickle echo]

Flag, her barrage is stronger that way

[lusty hill]

can fs3 fdg replace hiryuu in a meeb fleet?

[whole salmon]

weeb and meeb requires 2 CVs to have that name

If you run Shinano NJ FDG then that would require a different name

[lusty hill]

[neon bronze]

@little bobcat Lexi 2nd 2600 EoS score, TRUST.

[little bobcat]

what

[neon bronze]

[candid sluice]

dude has no clue what youre on about

[neon bronze]

[azure swan]

[pseudo copper]

Beth and Letan eos together

[uncut agate]

Betaan eos

[late heath]

[empty mesa]

Beth trolling someone about EoS score? Am I reading it right? Unreal.

[fickle echo]

He just wants a rival from another server

[terse perch]

I wonder what ships i own would even do good in pvp lol

[untold crater]

Show dock

[terse perch]

Can't rn

Am at work

I'll show ya later if i remember to

[gritty quiver]

i need help with fleet for pvp

i have no idea what im doing with pvp tbh

if somebody here is alive ping me ig

[lusty hill]

Use musashi, warspite, hiryuu as your backline

Retrofit your hiryuu

[gritty quiver]

pain ok

what abt vanguard

shima one taps my vanguard all the time and its annoying

[lusty hill]

Use anchorage as tank

[gritty quiver]

shes underleveled tho

what do i use for now

hiryuu also underleveled i need a temporary replacement

[lusty hill]

Probably monarch to replace hiryuu

Also you may still want to level anchorage since she's also good not just for pvp

[gritty quiver]

then how do i detect cvs

[gritty quiver]

shes wip

she has gear just no levels

also fs4 im like 3 prints from fs5

[lusty hill]

That's already good just need the level

[neon bronze]

p sure that fleet you're about to use already better than most defense fleets

[gritty quiver]

i struggle to win pvp thats why im here

[neon bronze]

Dev25~+ Ancho can suffice here. Fs5 is minor offensive improvemebt

[lusty hill]

Vanguard probably have a hard time

[gritty quiver]

my vanguard never lasts long enough for backline to wipe

also ive been using twin 410 on sushi for faster barrage that works right

[neon bronze]

Craft the 410kai from Gear Lab if you're still using it, it's a bit stronger than base twin410

General rule of thumb for 2 BB+ comps like what serenity suggested, is to craft and use the twin357, also from gear lab. Cheaper to obtain and upgrade. Use this if the twin410kai is too close to the other BB's 457 timing.

[gritty quiver]

im already using a +11 410kai

[gritty quiver]

i have no 457 and 357 is the predecessor to 457 right

ive been coping with champy guns

[floral wave]

either 457 or mk4

[gritty quiver]

whats mk4 agn

[floral wave]

prerequisite for 457 in gearlab

not for musashi ofc

[neon bronze]

Nope, not at all.

Craft this gun at the Gear Lab, in the meantime.

[gritty quiver]

im saving for that rn im like 7 components away

after that i need to somehow grind like a billion ordinance prints

[floral wave]

mk4 is good enough

dont need to force yourself to get 457

[gritty quiver]

im gna need one in future anyway might as well get myself one

[floral wave]

unless you need it for pve aswell i guess

[gritty quiver]

its for my future nj

[candid sluice]

long term investment

[trail temple]

Is fs5 fdg good?

I wanna make a t0 kms fleet

[merry vale]

It's not so bad. She's kinda lackluster compared to NJ and Musashi but that's to be expected.

[neon bronze]

is she better than Vanguard, though?

even if by a bit

[thorn obsidian]

Vanguard debuffs right? That’s why she’s good

[merry vale]

Less damage amp on Musashi, but her barrages hit the entire frontline every time, and she comes with a 20% damage reduction passive. I'd say FDG5 is stronger than vanguard, but take that with some salt.

I can't say i've sat down and hammered out the testing of the two.

[thorn obsidian]

Also for an attack fleet, better to just use best ships, could just make your KMS simp fleet for defence

[pastel jolt]

FdG is much, much better than Vanguard in 3bb fleet

[floral wave]

abandoning triple cv? smh

[lusty hill]

My opponent moved but not high enough for me to get a bonus

[empty mesa]

Good job, Jason Bourn.

[vestal hearth]

and then you get those who you think won't give you a bonus based on their score

but end up moving enough for you to get one

[trail temple]

My triple cv friend doesn't appreciate my valient efforts to develop a triple cv fleet

[floral wave]

ungrateful

change friend

[trail temple]

Friendship ended with triple cv guy
New friendship with kms simps

[gritty quiver]

im using monarch, sushi and warkai for main fleet, so who gets my twin 406 mk4

cuz i just managed to make one

ik sushi uses the twin 410 kai so does monarch or warkai get it? the one who doesnt get it is gna use a champy gun

[neon bronze]

Warkai for 406mk4, you could chuck another 410kai on Momarch. Faster, the better

Ignore the typo, gonna sleep

[gritty quiver]

would a fdg gun work

oop gn

[valid oxide]

Fdg gun works, marginally faster, marginally higher coefficient, marginally lower base damage. Sidegrade to 410kai with higher fp stat

[floral wave]

downgrade to 356

for sushi

[valid oxide]

you could chuck another 410kai on Momarch

would a fdg gun work
Idk man I don't think they were on about sushi

Also the

ik sushi uses the 410 kai

[marsh sand]

How does bonus work in pvp? I fight someone who was like rank 200 and i was 400 and i just got +10 don't even give me +11

[zenith lantern]

It's based on score not rank

At the moment to get a +11 you need someone who is 35 score ahead of you

[marsh sand]

I see

[river gale]

What equips from the core shop would you recommend me getting?

I already have the usual pair of bullets, but idk anything about the purple ones

[floral wave]

yeah the point was to not use 410 on sushi in that case

[stable dawn]

Just use 460 gun. It came with her event after all

[merry vale]

[zinc phoenix]

Is score diff of 35 sufficient for a bonus point?

“It was”

[floral wave]

yes

[pastel jolt]

Who hasn’t got their AoTN yet

[neon bronze]

👋

[whole salmon]

This comp makes me feel like a boomer

Back during my Enty sniping days

How nostalgic

Back when concealment didn’t exist and CV dies way too often

[deft escarp]

[whole salmon]

[deft escarp]

Wasn't that the era of like

VH rudder Hiryuu?

[candid sluice]

Who is aotn and how do I get her

[lusty hill]

No 1

[marsh sand]

Thanks for the bonus

[lusty hill]

+13

[little bobcat]

having a worse time with a juneauless vanguard than any braindead mafia / meeb i've ever fought

i love agir simps

[empty mesa]

[fickle echo]

[neon bronze]

[untold crater]

huh

[candid sluice]

Me too

[pastel jolt]

Me three!

[steel coral]

kms too strong

devs pls nerf

[nocturne zephyr]

Anybody mind helping me make a basic, general purpose PvP fleet that I'd only be using for the honour badges

I'm currently using YTII + Enterprise + IndepKai / Kron + Helena + (random DPS vanguard)

[lusty hill]

show your dock let's see what we can make

[nocturne zephyr]

Apparently you can't make threads in here

[floral wave]

dont need it

pvp not as toxic to try to contain people in threads

not as toxic as gph*

[nocturne zephyr]

Ah, well, I'm sending my whole dock which is ten images
Will have to wait for an internet connection though

[floral wave]

usually sr/elite should be enough

• juneau if available

[deft escarp]

[nocturne zephyr]

That is all SR/Elite.

[floral wave]

[candid sluice]

sort by backline and vanguard

[neon bronze]

denying hiryuu and juneau, part 3

[lusty hill]

have the dock posted?

[neon bronze]

sort by SR and UR ships too. make it easier for the eyes 🙂

[rustic bridge]

no

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-cat-surprised-gif-5843462

saltybelfast!!!

[lusty hill]

I'll consider myself a pro pvpers if I'm able to beat salty belfast

Which server are you playing @rustic bridge

[neon bronze]

Avrora

[keen juniper]

can i ask what is 310 mm on Shimakaze ??

[merry vale]

It's a well kept pvp secret.

[keen juniper]

[neon bronze]

Must be good tech.

[merry vale]

Really though single 76mm is the best gun.

Shima values speed above all else.

[lusty hill]

The pvp equip descriptions still WIP right? Cuz most them doesn't make sense

[keen juniper]

@candid sluice

[lusty hill]

Or am I too stupid to understand?

[rustic bridge]

Avo

Only op kms ship

[keen juniper]

probably messed cell description for other ships instead

[lusty hill]

Avrora best pvp server

[candid sluice]

mb disregard things in the notes section

i think thats carried over from the old sheets or notes from main fleet

[keen juniper]

it's okay, people make mistake

[merry vale]

[candid sluice]

just look at the equips columns they should be correct

we werent expecting ppl to actually read the notes

[pseudo copper]

There are notes?

[keen juniper]

i cant just copy gear slot without knowing why this why that

[candid sluice]

wow do u actually play on en

if youre confused about anything just ask here

[keen juniper]

let's just ask, why mag torp aux BiS than Rainbow Oxy is viable?

[merry vale]

It helps aim your torps since teatorps have no magnetic properties they miss a lot.

[keen juniper]

but the rest of salvos aimless then ?

[floral wave]

its enough if first salvo hits properly

[keen juniper]

but anchorage skill reduce that

[merry vale]

You try to hit the backline not the Frontline usually.

[floral wave]

you dont aim to kill frontline with that

[candid sluice]

the blacktorp aux helps u actually land the torps

but only use it if u also using the teatorps

[keen juniper]

how you can aim for the backline if the torp blocked by vanguard first

[candid sluice]

ud be surprised how often the torps whiff the vg

[keen juniper]

it's magnetic so assume they will aim for vg's first

[floral wave]

its faster than magnetic torps

[keen juniper]

i see, so that's why Tea torp BiS aswell

[candid sluice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/697475157739962509/902144573256663110/nj_get_real_.gif

observe

[pseudo copper]

It takes time for torps to launch, so a good chance of hitting backline

[floral wave]

not neccesarily bis, but yeah

[merry vale]

Normal torps usually do less damage because you only hit a couple. Teatorps hit hard if they actually hit at all.

[candid sluice]

but its up to personal preference really

if u want the potential for big dmg go for teatorps if u want consistency go with mags

[floral wave]

im enjoying magtorps instead of teatorps recently

[keen juniper]

can i just use Shima 610 with mag aux then ?

why ppl dont use 610?

[candid sluice]

610s are dogass

even with magtorp aux they wont hit and do enough dmg

[keen juniper]

i see, so it's only good for PvE

[floral wave]

its not good for pve either

unless you manual facetorp

[candid sluice]

its meta for cm

[floral wave]

check saltys gif

[candid sluice]

but thats not a gamemode anymore

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/870419801795874816/896417550638923816/skill_issue_Made_with_Clipchamp.gif

[keen juniper]

thanks for the answers fellows

[merry vale]

Torps putting in work.

[nocturne zephyr]

There

[keen juniper]

Warspite kai, Enty, Uni kai, Ibuki, Yukikaze Ayanami

You can switch Enty/Uni with Nagato for boosting that Vanguard

[frigid hamlet]

not 2630

[floral wave]

💀

[keen juniper]

What? 20% rld for All out not good?

[floral wave]

20% rld for 3 dead bodies

[keen juniper]

Well it’s just for general farm

And she’s not even competitive

Mid player

[floral wave]

y2, enty, seyd ykkz, helena, ayanami(?)

or maybe its jervis time :pausechamp:

nah but honestly, whats the frontline here

any experts

[stable dawn]

[fickle echo]

Kronk+"Fairy Magic" Poster and pray

[whole salmon]

In desperate times

I shall pull out my entire copium stock

[floral wave]

the secret secret lexi tech

[whole salmon]

Welp you don’t even have Hiryuu or Juneau

Ahh crap

[floral wave]

entire copium stock dead

[whole salmon]

Copium choice 1:

• Amagi, Monarch, Warkai (have Amagi mid, have Monarch be facing a BB)
• Kronshtadt, Juneau, Yukikaze

Copium choice 2:

• Yorktown 2, Enterprise, …..

Copium choice 3:

• Warkai, Perseus, Unicorn

Assuming you have Juneau from farming

The first fleet may seem familiar to many pvp boomers

[floral wave]

wouldnt seyd be better than monarch off flag

[whole salmon]

That is because it is a 2020 fleet

During the maximum copium era days

Nagato Amagi Hiryuu

Vs

Amagi FDG Warkai

Or for us peasant without dev 30 FDG, we would use Monarch

Frontline would be Azuma Juneau Yukikaze

For us peasant without dev 30 Azuma, we would use Saint Louis or Neptune

Now substitute for Azuma is Kronshtadt

Still these fleets are 2020 meta, very much copium currently but your dock doesn’t allow for that many choices

[zinc phoenix]

Supposing I’m near the top, what’s the minimum point difference for me to hit 9 pts victories?

All the people showing up are lower ranked

[untold crater]

to get 9 points they need to be between 1 point lower and 34 points lower

[zinc phoenix]

Wait as soon as I have more points I’ll only get 9 pts?

[floral wave]

yes

[merry vale]

Yep.

[lusty hill]

Very strong opponent, it's been 5 minutes but I still haven't beat them, this is famine level of power

[merry vale]

I can't wait for NJ's rerun.

Then i'm 100% caught up with URs.

[lusty hill]

nvm just beat them lol

please stop putting manjuu on NJ, think of the newbies

[neon bronze]

nope

well, tell them

[merry vale]

I'm still not 100% sold on it.

Then again, no NJ to test.

Anchorage holding the frontline is still pretty important.

[brazen socket]

What are some pvp meta comps that include fdg

[deft escarp]

I don't think that dcp is as important on Anchorage if you're using two BBs

I find that it's really only that important if you're running two CVs

[merry vale]

Alright fair point, i'm usually running two CV's.

Triple BB with FDG i heard was pretty good.

Depends what your other two are though.

[deft escarp]

Like

[neon bronze]

3 BB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbJ0l8Ww-Ts

[deft escarp]

CVs really need to win vanguard fight which is why you need dcp Anchorage

Otherwise your vanguard will win a decent amount of time with 2 BBs without needing dcp

[brazen socket]

3 bb sounds like a disaster

[floral wave]

its not

its actually very comfortable to use

[deft escarp]

It's not bad lol

[merry vale]

NJ and Musashi are arguably the two strongest ships in the game, FDG just got a decent buff too.

[brazen socket]

Does fdg fs5 actually make things that comfortable

[floral wave]

you dont need nj for that

[deft escarp]

I'm currently looking for someone to test NJ/Musashi/FdG backline here in Sandy

[floral wave]

or fdg even

[deft escarp]

Tbh

As long as you have Musashi you're good

[floral wave]

im running musashi/vang/seyd

[untold crater]

What in the cope

[deft escarp]

[nocturne zephyr]

May do this. Wondering if Yukikaze and Ayanami are the best choices though

[floral wave]

yukikaze might be, ayanami is not

but honestly they already told you better one

[neon bronze]

a sandy pvper i know of tried going against one. they said it sucked

tbh i doubt the guy they fought against was fighting a fs5 fdg, only a dev30 one, and with not ideal gears

[nocturne zephyr]

"Pink Sugar"?
Blocked so I didn't see
What'd be the better one?

[floral wave]

whyd pink sugar be blocked

[untold crater]

@whole salmon

[floral wave]

kron tanking is probably the better idea after all

[untold crater]

Show dock

[floral wave]

here

[brazen socket]

Yk I sometimes wish they added a mode where it removes attacker advantages and defense disadvantages so it feels more exciting

[floral wave]

and enables fleet tech?

[nocturne zephyr]

I can easily grab any non-exclusive rare or Elite if they're that good for it

[brazen socket]

No just good ol rough housing

[floral wave]

that wouldnt be exciting, newbies would never win anything

[untold crater]

No musashi?

[brazen socket]

Its like a seperate mode from pvp where its locked for high rank players and stuff

[whole salmon]

Check search bar, first time even talking to this person

[merry vale]

The mvp ship in pvp is anchorage, if you actually care about a good pvp comp.

[whole salmon]

[untold crater]

Cba

Honestly respect for blocking you

[whole salmon]

[untold crater]

You're sandy after all

[whole salmon]

I’m Lexington

[untold crater]

No

You're sandy

[nocturne zephyr]

Anchorage don't be an Elite or Rare
But I'll get her eventually, so I'll keep that in mind
Why would you say she is?

[whole salmon]

Copium

[deft escarp]

The not ideal gear kind of sus

I'm thinking of like

[merry vale]

She gives your entire frontline a 35% evasion buff.

And she's the tankiest ship in the game.

Because of her your frontline might survive shimakaze preloads.

[deft escarp]

356 Kai Musashi, 457 NJ and FdG and +13 to every gear

[nocturne zephyr]

I think that depends on content, but the EVA buff makes sense

[deft escarp]

[untold crater]

Anchorage is core

[deft escarp]

Anchorage is mandatory lol

No Anchorage means garbage vanguard

[whole salmon]

Either FDG or NJ would run MK4

Usually FDG

[untold crater]

Eh u can make do without ancho if u have harbin

But it's not the same

[whole salmon]

As to not mess up absolute cd

[deft escarp]

Mk 4?

[floral wave]

also this

[whole salmon]

But if you aren’t that high up then just run 457 on both

[untold crater]

USS BB gun in gear lab

[brazen socket]

Im more concerned why a person would have harbin before ancho

[nocturne zephyr]

Kron + Helena + Ibuki/Yukikaze(?)

[untold crater]

New or something idk

[floral wave]

yukikaze, forget ibuki

[brazen socket]

More like bad decisions

[untold crater]

Yuki over Ibuki, only CA that matters in pvp is ancho

[deft escarp]

I don't think that you'd get screwed by absolute cd considering that FdG reloads slow enough

[whole salmon]

FDG is faster than NJ

[deft escarp]

Or at least

[nocturne zephyr]

Makes sense. I think I'll do Enterprise + YTII + Seydlitz/ Kron + Helena + Yukikaze then
Thanks

[whole salmon]

On subsequent salvos

[deft escarp]

Oathed NJ+unoathed FdG

[brazen socket]

Wait is it true that fdg cant reveal with her barrage anymore now that its fixed position or smth

[floral wave]

is ~1s enough to not mess up the absolute cd?

she cant, yeah

[whole salmon]

This is true

It has been true since the first day of fate 5’s release

[deft escarp]

Isn't that with targeted barrage?

[whole salmon]

And the “fix” didn’t change that

[deft escarp]

I'm on like

[whole salmon]

The fix only added better consistency to the barrage

But that was good enough to put her above Vanguard in triple BB

[deft escarp]

2 bps away from FS5 FdG and intentionally keeping her FS4 because of the targetted barrage

[floral wave]

honestly i havent had issues even without revealing cvs

[whole salmon]

Triple BB ofc is inconsistent on defense

Where failing to win the frontline fight means that you already lost if the enemy have 1 CV

[floral wave]

i mean attack

[whole salmon]

But not that many actually care about defense anyways

[floral wave]

cba defense

[whole salmon]

[floral wave]

or just do musashi/hiryuu/seyd, ancho/ykkz/juneau

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