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#pvp
trail temple
Nothing wrong with a non-Italian fleet
desert steeple
so whats the consensus on pancake after the patch?
neon bronze
Better than the Sea Hornet, on account of the larger amount of Plane HP, and in turn, bigger crash damage.
tacit fulcrum
EZ
empty owl
Would anyone be willing to help me optimize my Aquila?
merry vale
What are you running at the moment?
merry vale
Yeah. Although the major upgrades would be
Avi gas > catapult
Flapjack > hornet.
Tenrai > purple helldiver
Wyvern > gold barracuda.
merry vale
Breguet>gold barracuda.
You might be fast enough to run the new ultra rare plane instead of sea hornet. helldiver
Since you're not using a wyvern yet.
untold crater
Isn't it a DB
Not a fighter
Not sure how good the new UR plane was but tenrai is better
merry vale
Ah you're right my bad.
untold crater
Not sure about flap>SH, less timing for more HP
Might be better since you don't have Wyvern or tenrai to slow the timing down
empty owl
Something like this
empty owl
Ya I’ve been lacking on getting upgraded material
untold crater
2-3 months of OpSi should get you one easily
empty owl
Thank you for the help
merry vale
empty owl
:3
jolly cloak
winged depot
good job bro 
candid sluice
PvP menace
empty mesa
@merry vale need collusion again, bro.
pseudo copper
empty mesa
final granite
So best fleet in high rank currently is?
neon bronze
So best fleet in high rank currently is?
Based on preferences, but it's any of:
Musashi - NJ - Shinano
Musashi - Hiryuu - Shinano
Musashi - NJ - Hiryuu
Musashi - NJ - Aquila
Frontline varies, but it's almost always:
Anchorage - Shimakaze - Juneau/Harbin
Other ships can substitute, but they'll almost always be a downgrade
Either way, you'll win nearly all your PvP exercises, regardless of what fleet you use, if you pay attention to what happens during these exercises. Attacker advantage, basically.
Refer to the pinned guide by SaltyArrow for more details.
final granite
Why is Shinano suddenly relevant? Wasn't Aquila basically overshadowing her for a while?
uncut agate
backline to tanky, preload not needed for reveal
candid sluice
she has been relevant for a long time
neon bronze
She's tanky enough to take some punishment, and dish out hers.
Well, as long as you redirect most of the opponent's punishing BB salvos towards either Hiryuu (Meeb), or one and/or the other BBs (2 BB + Shinano).
Her damage is enough to turn the tide (together with Hiryuu in a Meeb fleet), or finish the backline (MSN/2 BB + Shinano).
zenith lantern
Why is Shinano suddenly relevant? Wasn't Aquila basically overshadowing her for ...
Musashi happened, she’s so tanky and kills vanguards so well that harder hitting and more survivable CVs are preferred over preload.
merry vale
<@108719620369727488> need collusion again, bro.
Alright i got you.
merry vale
I didn't eat any, i'm back to topish of the ladder, for now.
+10-11s the whole way.
empty mesa
Noice.
winged depot
merry vale
Man's trying to break 20k.
winged depot
he already did on mine
merry vale
sleek heron
did ppl figure out a better pvp comp or something? i lost like 10 fights this season, which doesn't seem to be explained away just by bad rng
running sushi/nj/aquila + anchor/shima/jun
sleek heron
when i first changed to that comp i lose 1 fight, if that, per season
and last season i lost like 10 give or take lol
floral wave
you can just reset a fight when you see it going wrong
sleek heron
this* season
floral wave
youll run into that ocasionally
sleek heron
yeah i dont care for resetting, but i just found it interesting that suddenly i started losing alot more using the same setup i've used singe sushi released
winged depot
everyone caught up with the new meta is the only explanation
sleek heron
winged depot
highly likely
zenith lantern
If you don't like resetting try Hiryuu instead of Aquila, it's slower but more consistent because Final Counter on Hiryuu wins you fights you'd otherwise have lost.
sleek heron
i assume same loadout? sea hornet/tenrai/wyvern?
merry vale
Basically, although flapjack VS seahornet is still a debate.
sleek heron
might as well make one for the memes
sleek heron
these rocketcats be eating up all my gold plates rn
zenith lantern
Yeah same loadout
trail temple
Final season for 2022
pseudo copper
uncut agate
smh
winged depot
check him pc
midnight fractal
I don’t know to much about pvp so just wondering if you guys had a fleet recommendation for me to build with these ships
pseudo copper
You'll want to mlb and level your Sushi, Shimakaze and Shinano. Work on getting Anchorage and do you have Juneau?
midnight fractal
juneau 5-2 drop
I can grind for juneau
midnight fractal
You'll want to mlb and level your Sushi, Shimakaze and Shinano. Work on getting ...
Im working on the mlb for sushi rn
pseudo copper
lusty hill
I was literally about to win, it was 1 vs 1 between my musashi and his NJ, but apparently his NJ got manjuu 
empty mesa
lusty hill
even if mafia is dead, aquila is still broken
literally just put beaver on my musashi and I won lol
stable dawn
isn't that the guy who won the EN pvp tourney?
lusty hill
winged depot
yeah, he's out for blood
trail temple
You know, my fleet and Famine's fleet are exactly the same @lusty hill?
Feels bad man, he can't see my nicknames
lusty hill
You know, my fleet and Famine's fleet are exactly the same <@318546891224907776>...
that's you?
trail temple
that's you?
Yes
pastel jolt
Andy terrorising the ladder early in the season already? Shameless
empty mesa
But my bruhmovers smh.
lapis cape
there's three akagis, wotdefok!?
and three Helena's
violet kernel
even if mafia is dead, aquila is still broken
Mafia? Is that what people called pasta meta?
neon bronze
Mafia? Is that what people called pasta meta?
Yeah. Until Musashi released.
neon bronze
Like the variety of fleets available on the current meta rn. 4 top tier fleets, instead of just 2 before Musashi.
merry vale
All the top fleets have Musashi though.
If anyone lacks Musashi NJ and/or Shinano I feel for you bud, have fun.
stable dawn
floral wave
missing shinano or nj not that bad 
vestal hearth
damn...
floral wave
cant show something that doesnt exist
stable dawn
floral wave
you could imagine seeing it tho
untold crater
That's all we can do when it comes to you bro
floral wave
That's all we can do when it comes to you bro
yeah thats what i just said
late heath
Missing Kashino is more brutal than missing NJ & Musashi
deft escarp
If anyone lacks Musashi NJ and/or Shinano I feel for you bud, have fun.
My Amagi acc has none of those
neon bronze
missing shinano or nj not that bad <:WarShrug:927391788325556275>
NJ copium this year. 
floral wave
not really a copium i guess
neon bronze
Watch all my accs miss her again
floral wave
wdym all, just have 400 cubes at least on main
merry vale
floral wave
even less, since rerun
neon bronze
all that and i can't still imagine getting her
floral wave
im at 280 now, had to pity york
neon bronze
Watch the devs release Aquila rerun in-between an evebt that has a ship/s that's meta-defining in PvP, and NJ.
merry vale
UR aquila 2 here to suck your cubes dry.
neon bronze
Though I do only need to worry about both on main, and 4 ships on the others.
untold crater
Just logger and afk
pastel jolt
Just logger and afk
You should learn from this statement
candid sluice
dont worry the other player can do it
untold crater
The dude who loses to rushers? 
distant thorn
Just finished lvling meeb, and following this for equips. Is there anything that would be better for general use (don't have to switch) or is this fine? (Also using ayanami instead of shima) and what would replace the UR AA guns on ancho/ayanami? (Don't have) 🫡
merry vale
You'd want sexy bofors on anchorage over the trashcan if possible, the UR gun on your DD is a good goal.
And your Musashi aux gun could be changed for the twin 137.
trail temple
Just finished lvling meeb, and following this for equips. Is there anything that...
Suisei/comet would be better on your nano
neon bronze
Just finished lvling meeb, and following this for equips. Is there anything that...
Mark IX torpedo (Teatorp) from Gear Lab on Shimakaze
distant thorn
Mark IX torpedo (Teatorp) from Gear Lab on Shimakaze
Using ayanami instead, still better?
merry vale
Teatorps are just the best to use for torp nukers in pvp.
distant thorn
Suisei/comet would be better on your nano
Suisei model 12a from gear lab right?
merry vale
Like shima and aya.
trail temple
Suisei model 12a from gear lab right?
yep
neon bronze
Yes, she's fine for those that lack Shimakaze. Attacker advantage exists, so you'll just win fine
distant thorn
You'd want sexy bofors on anchorage over the trashcan if possible, the UR gun on...
What would be ok instead of UR aa on ayanami, kinda don't want to spend all my circuit boards 
pseudo copper
Staag
neon bronze
STAAG for some reason, idk how HIT affects her. clueless why, but it's 2nd best on her
merry vale
Yeah Staag.
distant thorn
Alright thanks for all the help 
pseudo copper
STAAG for some reason, idk how HIT affects her. clueless why, but it's 2nd best ...
Crit and hit rate like all ships
neon bronze
distant thorn
Mark IX torpedo (Teatorp) from Gear Lab on Shimakaze
Which faction/torp is this?
little bobcat
can someone send the optimal musashi weeb fleet
merry vale
British.
distant thorn
Thanks
merry vale
little bobcat
can someone send the optimal musashi weeb fleet
merry vale
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https://i.imgur.com/QMnZ6p5.png
Something like this, a few spots like Juneau's aux items, Anchorages torps and Shima's aux and Seahornet vs Flapjack are still up for debate.
I guess you could argue musashi flag too.
trail temple
You want wnt active for meeb
trail temple
Then Hiryuu flag it is
trail temple
can someone send the optimal musashi weeb fleet
Should be one in the pvp spreadsheet
little bobcat
https://i.imgur.com/QMnZ6p5.png
Something like this, a few spots like Juneau's ...
is there any replacement for wnt or magtorp or are they non-negotiable items
merry vale
Her torp slot doesn't matter all that much, run other torps. WNT is pretty non negotiable though.
little bobcat
guess i can't have a good pvp fleet then
merry vale
It's not that hard to get at least, it won't break the fleet if you don't have it, but it's definitely not optimal.
little bobcat
why is the plume ran over a catapult for shina?
merry vale
Evasion is king in pvp.
neon bronze
Less AVI, but with EVA. It matters.
It's the difference between Shinano not dying and well, dying.
little bobcat
ic
merry vale
The whole point of Meeb is to stall long enough.
neon bronze
Enough for Hiryuu and Shinano to sink or fatally damage the entire opponent fleet. Especially the backline.
merry vale
Yep, the carrier drop usually just fully wipes the backline.
Anything left alive doesn't survive a second drop.
If musashi doesn't get around to melting it before then.
little bobcat
would this work until i got my hands on a tenrai / second & third wyvern and shima? or should i just drop this for now and just cope with a super sub-optimal fleet
merry vale
You need at least a gold baracuda for hiryuu.
Besides that i don't see a problem with it.
little bobcat
is it an armor thing
merry vale
Your musashi's aux gun kinda stinks though.
trail temple
Don't use converging torp
merry vale
The 137 twin is kinda easy to make in the gear lab.
neon bronze
would this work until i got my hands on a tenrai / second & third wyvern and shi...
Musashi - 137 dd gun (in American Gear Lab)
Hiryuu - what Fluffy said
Shinano - Breguet > Barracuda first slot
Other gears are fine
little bobcat
dont have breguets to spare and i trashed all my barras
merry vale
Rip, that was silly.
trail temple
Musashi - 137 dd gun (in American Gear Lab)
Hiryuu - what Fluffy said
Shinano - ...
You're seriously okay with converging torp bombs?
merry vale
He agreed with me with the gold cuda though.
neon bronze
You're seriously okay with converging torp bombs?
I just referenced what Fluffy said: Gold Barracuda
little bobcat
guess ill just make a few cudas
merry vale
You get a lot more damage out of parallels in pvp.
little bobcat
ig i could make skypirates and put them on my indepkai/unikai then give the breguets to shina and hiryuu
neon bronze
Don't use Skypirate
merry vale
He'd be switching gear around.
neon bronze
I see. Thought you'd make Skypirates for Hiryuu and Shinano
little bobcat
you can make it?
i thought magtorp was an event item
that's why i've never built for it
merry vale
I used the wrong wording my bad. Yeah if you missed aurora noctis you won't have it.
little bobcat
yea
neon bronze
Aurora Noctis event
merry vale
Gotcha.
distant thorn
https://i.imgur.com/QMnZ6p5.png
Something like this, a few spots like Juneau's ...
3 questions on this (sorry):
- Gyroscope or anti-torp on Juneau, which do you prefer/is better?
- Would skyraider be ok instead of tenrai? (I use tenrai for pve and don't feel like switching too much)
- Would switching rudder and beaver between musashi and ancho not be a big difference? (Again, so i don't have to switch for pve that much)🫡
pastel jolt
Skyraider = low reload, better use Helldiver over
3rd question, not a large difference
First one, depends on mainly personal preference as well as current vanguard speed
distant thorn
Thanks
merry vale
I prefer anti torp bulge and boiler because there's a lot of vanguard damage in the current meta.
Skyraider isn't very tested in pvp, but you could if you want to, although just running a helldiver would be fine.
Beaver vs rudder.
I really don't think it makes a world of difference either way?
Pick your poison as long as you use both.
merry vale
As long as you have it in your team it doesn't particularly matter who?
Anchorage with beaver will give you the same speed buff as Musashi with the beaver.
If your Anchorage dies you have nothing to speed up anymore, usually.
I guess the timed evasion boost is better on your anchorage when musashi can use the beaver.
neon bronze
quartz gust
queen elizabeth 2 when?
pastel jolt
That's not really true. Anchorage dies first quite often if you aren't using Manjuu on her, then again you wouldn't know about that since you use the Tier 0 fleet Musashi Weeb.
unreal leaf
helllo
is there any sense in doing strong defence fleet?
even if it's about top 50 fight for places with meta fleets its just all about doing more resets
as 20% attacker bonus will always win in 1-3 tries
winged depot
nope, imo
unreal leaf
so pvp rank is all about luck in resets (getting better rank ppl after resets)?
winged depot
and getting to know ppl who can give you a bonus while waiting
unreal leaf
and how to notice ppls rank increased?
doing screenshot and coming back again in 1 hour?
and noticing the change?
winged depot
Either see the rankings, or reset the game
unreal leaf
see the rankings works only for top 100, right? :D
winged depot
Yes
neon bronze
Yeah. Works well in later season
But for early and mid season, the list ranks are your indication
unreal leaf
sorry, thats what i meant
pseudo copper
Rank changes show up as soon as you relog
So whenever you free up, just log in game and see changes
unreal leaf
and is there some guide to distinct seasonal and current rank?
pseudo copper
If change is big enough for bonus, wait a bit then take it
pseudo copper
and is there some guide to distinct seasonal and current rank?
Seasonal is score, rank is positioning based on score
violet kernel
Defense fleets are your best way of repping your waifus
Don’t waste it annoying players 
neon bronze
and is there some guide to distinct seasonal and current rank?
Seasonal rank is your score.
Current rank is your placement based on how much season points you have relative to others in the same server
pseudo copper
Score difference is what gives you bonuses
unreal leaf
Seasonal is score, rank is positioning based on score
ohh
violet kernel
Or do… by cramming in ships with annoying voice lines 
pseudo copper
But early on you won't be able to see other players scores unless they go to top 100
unreal leaf
Or do… by cramming in ships with annoying voice lines <:SmugSims:757832649334194...
Aquila 😡
min diff is minimal difference to get bonus points?
pseudo copper
What you use to conclude if bonus or not is massive rank change
neon bronze
min diff is minimal difference to get bonus points?
Yes.
winged depot
What's the score of rank 49 guy
neon bronze
Look at your score, and look at the leftmost guy in the t100 rankings.
winged depot
Yes
neon bronze
If the difference equals, or is larger than the minimal diff, then you get a bonus
winged depot
Even if you know it why are you still bad though
unreal leaf
i can see the score only on top 100 ladder 😡
winged depot
Its intuition in the first few days of the season
pseudo copper
Yeah, you are rushing rn, so bonuses are gonna be little to none
You need to make a gap by saving exercises
pseudo copper
Just bag a bit to get a feel for bagging
And you can make up bad starts
Though bagging doesn't matter if not going for eos t10
winged depot
Just like how I am when I only got 5 bonuses so far 
unreal leaf
whats bagging?
pseudo copper
Maximising bonuses to end season with higher score and position is easiest explanation I can give
unreal leaf
You still get aotn as long as you don't lose
i need to find my way against shinaryuu defence fleet tho
its the worst defence fleet to fight against
unreal leaf
Maximising bonuses to end season with higher score and position is easiest expla...
kk so just saving exercises and not rushing in
neon bronze
You wait for others to use their exercises
And then if you think that they have enough for a bonus, you strike
Needs the patience of a monk, for some.
winged depot
Not the best imo, the worse def for me is musashi, nj and shinano
A def team I actually like playing against
unreal leaf
Not the best imo, the worse def for me is musashi, nj and shinano
weird as i have no problms against it
neon bronze
i nearly lost to a mafia fleet
fleets with aquila grr.
unreal leaf
but shinaryuu always hit
winged depot
What do you use
unreal leaf
What do you use
some shit fleet for now :D
violet kernel
I’ve been playing for over 4 years and I still struggle with pvp.
I got rank 1 once and never bothered getting serious about it again.
But recently I’ve been wanting to tryhard, so I have a couple questions:
- If I have good ships (like Enterprise or New Jersey) at 200 affection, are they better than meta ones like Musashi and Hiryuu if those two are unoathed?
- Should I be switching to a counter fleet when up against the new meta as opposed to Mafia? Or is it a one size fits all?
winged depot
Suzu is redundant if you have ancho
winged depot
Yukikaze?
neon bronze
Ayanami retrofit.
unreal leaf
ohh I guess I have her
winged depot
but yeah noshiro should be a good option
winged depot
<:BacheLaugh:1022299809132068945> <:MahiroEhehe:971240777185370173> I’ve been pl...
Oaths doesn't matter much tbh
unreal leaf
tho Harbin is also redundant with Anchorage?
or shes great cuz torp dmg reduction
?
winged depot
I literally fight with only 1 oathed ship in my attack fleet
Harbin is great to tank and has some decent damage
She's actually a top choice
unreal leaf
kk
so Ill focus on boosting Noshiro now
also on my way for new Wyvern to transform into Shinaryuu
those new missions in monthly shop help so much
in getting ur design plans
winged depot
Yeah shinaryuu, musashi was my go to before switching and its a safe fleet to reset too
violet kernel
Oaths doesn't matter much tbh
Okay, so even without the 4% dmg difference it still viable? Man, I never know, some of this shit is so clutch 
winged depot
That's gonna take a long time but good luck
pseudo copper
Oath is 6% stats
unreal leaf
That's gonna take a long time but good luck
easier than wyverns
winged depot
Wyverns are easier tbh
neon bronze
and I am going for this on warspite
The gold gun there is fine, for now. Nothing wrong with a 457
unreal leaf
Wyverns are easier tbh
waat?
winged depot
2 months if lucky, 3 if very unlucky
neon bronze
To craft
pseudo copper
Most important 2 things about pvp are the comp and gear
winged depot
This one needs 4 - 5 months
violet kernel
Fuckers out there oathing goddamn Aquila, so I figured the difference must matter to them. Can’t think of any other reason.
neon bronze
Besides. 457 (the prints for one gun) are there on the Protocore Shop
pseudo copper
Good comp with shit gear will do horribly and shit comp with good gear will do the same, though imo gear more important unless using absolute shitters
winged depot
Just have a stable comp with good gears so you can win most of your fights
and reset less
pseudo copper
Fuckers out there oathing goddamn Aquila, so I figured the difference must matte...
You have attacker bonus, what's more important is +13 gear 
unreal leaf
You have attacker bonus, what's more important is +13 gear <:SleepNano:785407850...
my surprise as I saw this:
pseudo copper
I oath for renaming and stats
pseudo copper
my surprise as I saw this:
Yeah, why OpSi is important
winged depot
my surprise as I saw this:
That's a normal amount 
violet kernel
I got all the ships and gear.
So, is optimal comp
MusaShinano and Hiryuu
Zoomie, Anchovy and Jesus?
unreal leaf
whats zoomie
winged depot
Shimakaze
violet kernel
Ah, Zoomie like Shimakaze, Ayaya or Poi
winged depot
Sushi, shinano and nj is what I like fighting so maybe that
With ancho, shima and harbin
unreal leaf
I got all the ships and gear.
So, is optimal comp
MusaShinano and Hiryuu
Zoomie,...
I heard Harbin is better for shinaryuu
violet kernel
Oh, that would be preferable for me too. I just got her to 120
pseudo copper
I heard Harbin is better for shinaryuu
Than who?
pseudo copper
No
winged depot
Oh no
winged depot
Shima is very needed
unreal leaf
so need her rerun then
violet kernel
Well, 121.
I love NJ, but doesn’t that combi leave me without a safety net?
unreal leaf
😵💫😵💫
winged depot
Ancho, shima and then either juneau/harbin
neon bronze
I got all the ships and gear.
So, is optimal comp
MusaShinano and Hiryuu
Zoomie,...
Down to personal preference tbh. Any of these backline comps:
Musashi - Hiryuu - Shinano
Musashi - NJ - Hiryuu
Musashi - NJ - Shinano
Musashi - NJ - Aquila
As long as you have the optimal gears and you'll win most of your fights.
pseudo copper
If no Shima can cope using someone else
pseudo copper
Well, 121.
I love NJ, but doesn’t that combi leave me without a safety net?
Wdym safety net?
winged depot
no shima here, I use ancho harbin and juneau
violet kernel
Wdym safety net?
Like the hard to kill Bunny-Wolf
neon bronze
Yukikaze
unreal leaf
lots of ppl swapped from mafia to Musa, NJ, Aquilla last time
violet kernel
If rng bad then can reset before loss. I’ve been using Enty that way, bless her Owari Da
pseudo copper
lots of ppl swapped from mafia to Musa, NJ, Aquilla last time
Shina imo better, but I prefer Aquila just to finish fights faster
winged depot
You can also do a triple bb comp as sushi, nj and vanguard
violet kernel
Hmm, Sushi-NJ-Hiryuu sounds comfy, but my good gear is on Shinano and Hakuryuu (for Metarizona). So I’ll try that.
violet kernel
You can also do a triple bb comp as sushi, nj and vanguard
That sounds fun too. I’ve been running Van-chan, NJ and Enty
neon bronze
So much variety in 3 BB comps.
pseudo copper
There is 0 need for "safety net" you know when you lost or won relatively early on tbh and can just reset
You will do fine with any of the recommended comps though
Since attacker bonus makes losing hard
violet kernel
There is 0 need for "safety net" you know when you lost or won relatively early ...
Humu humu. Understood.
I never picked up Mafia, so my fights have long been slugfests.
pseudo copper
Biggest concern imo is just consistency vs speed for baggers
But non baggers aren't that desperate on time
neon bronze
Ppl who wait for others in their set to move and get bonuses off.
violet kernel
Ah souka souka.
I’m not planning on gunning for #1. I got too much on my plate with university and whatnot.
I just lost two exercises today and decided enough is enough
neon bronze
Yes.
violet kernel
I only got one Tenrai. Is that a problem?
Like, would that limit me to only running one carrier?
neon bronze
Not a problem if you use either Hiryuu or Aquila. Not needed on Shinano, BiS on Shinano is 2 Wyverns and a Suisei 12a.
pseudo copper
is enhancing wyvern aboce +10 BIG upgrade?
It is, but it won't be difference between getting walled or not, so if you just have your gear at +10, more than enough to pvp properly if gear is good
winged depot
tbh I maxed the equipments I used for meta/bosses before going to max pvp gears
winged depot
I only got one Tenrai. Is that a problem?
not really a problem, since I also have one
violet kernel
I see I see.
Hmmm, well, I might try BunnySushi +Hiryuu, since Wyverns aren’t good against Arizona, so I’d have to be switching
unreal leaf
tbh I maxed the equipments I used for meta/bosses before going to max pvp gears
well, arent wyverns good against lots of metas/bosses?
neon bronze
You only need 1 Tenrai for PvP. It's the Wyverns that will matter, based on what comp you use.
winged depot
Nope, only on pve and pvp. Not on bosses
violet kernel
tbh I maxed the equipments I used for meta/bosses before going to max pvp gears
Yeah, same. Glad there is a bit of overlap at least. I only have one +13 Wyvern, my other is still at 10
unreal leaf
Nope, only on pve and pvp. Not on bosses
kk
violet kernel
They really funny on mob fleet tho
unreal leaf
winning pvps without reset is funnier for me than doing second meta fight tho :D
neon bronze
Wyvern is parallel torp, great for Csmpaign and Event stage stuff. PvE OpSi bosses need converging torps
violet kernel
Preload Wyvern spam 
neon bronze
It's a bane seeing those same Wyverns against my own PvP comp. Reee 2 BB + Aquila def fleets
violet kernel
I hate wasting exp so I’m using Volga as healer now.
Boy do I miss my precious Nurseus and the rest of the spam gang
neon bronze
Reee, you, Wais, + 2 guys
unreal leaf
Wyvern is parallel torp, great for Csmpaign and Event stage stuff. PvE OpSi boss...
which are go to converging torps?
community tier list lists only Tenrais
pseudo copper
Imagine having trouble in pvp in Amagi out of all places
violet kernel
My dream continues to be a Pennsylvania Retrofit who can summon the Pearl Harbor drydock and block all torp damage
pseudo copper
community tier list lists only Tenrais
Tenrai aren't converging they are db
pseudo copper
Converging are Saiun, Stuka, Ryuusei
winged depot
You got shima and aquila yet struggling to beat ppl on amagi, yet I have none of those
Oxalis
Why
neon bronze
You got shima and aquila yet struggling to beat ppl on amagi, yet I have none of...
No aquila
pseudo copper
You generally want like 3-4 Stuka +13 and like 2 Saiun +13
unreal leaf
Converging are Saiun, Stuka, Ryuusei
Stuka?
pseudo copper
Ju 87 D-4
winged depot
Then why, I would die getting a shima rn
unreal leaf
why its Stuka :D
neon bronze
Nicknames.
pseudo copper
Nickname for it from ww2
unreal leaf
ahh, thank you
neon bronze
Then why, I would die getting a shima rn
Skill issue, I guess
unreal leaf
pvp channel is great on this server
pseudo copper
Great source of parroting 
unreal leaf
You generally want like 3-4 Stuka +13 and like 2 Saiun +13
and diff between them is hull type?
when to use each one?
if I want to have both
pseudo copper
and diff between them is hull type?
Timing, 2 Saiun are for Haku and Shina
violet kernel
I just really love picking up nicknames and helping gaslight people into thinking they are common
pseudo copper
I just really love picking up nicknames and helping gaslight people into thinkin...
These nicknames are common
winged depot
Ye
unreal leaf
Timing, 2 Saiun are for Haku and Shina
makes sense
violet kernel
I don’t mean those nicknames. Just nicknames in general
I also wasn’t being sarcastic
Is genuinely fun.
unreal leaf
sad its still not applicable as I am waifu gamer and going for Plymouth DL30 first instead of Haku
neon bronze
Kirito moment
winged depot
Pr 4 first imo
violet kernel
I love “Anchovy”, but sure.
winged depot
Oh well, good luck then
violet kernel
Is a Sushi fleet with Aquila a type of Mafia evolution?
Yakuza?
winged depot
Yes
unreal leaf
it was much easier last time with 2 events with 14-15 DR5 BP
neon bronze
Yeah. Replaced VV with Sushi
winged depot
You got the name right
violet kernel
I’m just glad Abruzzi is gone from most vanguards. I just hated the rng torp slam she caused
violet kernel
Felt like the fate of the vanguards were decided on a coinflip
violet kernel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/516951413411020819/1055398953430028308/...
Minty do got that baby brain 🖍️
pseudo copper
winged depot
it still is if shima got lucky
violet kernel
I wonder if there is fanart of Anchovy eating glue
neon bronze
🔥 🔥 ✍️ 🔥 🔥
pseudo copper
violet kernel
snow ibex
since we're only able to see score on the top 100 ladder
how should we know how much score is our opponent ahead of?
im in avrora server so like
it's kinda hard to tell
stable dawn
pretty much all of it is experience. You get used to gambling on unknown point differences until you know if someone is a bonus by heart
say I'm rank 500 and my opponent is 128. Are they a bonus? I have no idea. Just gotta gamble.
merry vale
whole salmon
since we're only able to see score on the top 100 ladder
how should we know how...
If you play enough, you get a rough idea
It doesn’t matter as much in the first week anyways
If you take your current rank and divide by 2 or 3 and they are at that point then you can probably move
violet kernel
What’s the optimal gear on Harbin?
candid sluice
check pins
violet kernel
lusty hill
how long do you guys wait if nobody moves until you hit the refresh
warm crow
if it's been hours after restock and nobody on your list moves, I'd say just wait until the last 10 minutes because if you refresh hours after restock you might get matched to players who already moved
pseudo copper
how long do you guys wait if nobody moves until you hit the refresh
Depends on how far in season it is
neon bronze
as of now i do be using all 5 refreshes because i have the patience of a cat with a nearby laser on
agree with what deathkt said
stable dawn
how long do you guys wait if nobody moves until you hit the refresh
an entire season.
lusty hill
No 4 
violet kernel
Great job!
Technically it is a shared 3rd or even shared 2nd, depending on how you count it.
empty mesa
Set before maint is the real EoS.
trail temple
Wow, 841 is the highest score? sleep season
pseudo copper
EoS need lots of luck and no bedtime
I sleep a lot and don't rely on luck
neon bronze
I helplessly watch at my PvP score in the form of a screenshot, as the game developers extends the uneventful maintenance by exactly 4 hours.
pastel jolt
Wow! You're so good!
little bobcat
got #2 yesterday, idk if i can get it again this season xdd
this might be my last top 10
also who do i put wnt on and put as flag in musashi/hiryuu/shina? i've seen conflicting answers between hiryuu flag with musashi wnt and musashi flag wnt
pseudo copper
Hiryuu
little bobcat
hiryuu flag with wnt?
snow ibex
im pretty sure im doing this wrong but due to reset time being at really weird times for me i just use up 10 tries in one go to get to the very front and wait for refill 10 tries and go again
can this still get aotn or sum?
cause i never get how to stay at 10 and with 5 tries to get to the front for more bonuses
i know this is still the first week but I'll still ask
pseudo copper
im pretty sure im doing this wrong but due to reset time being at really weird t...
You can get AotN as long as you don't lose, doing a single 10 rush should be fine
pseudo copper
4 am here
snow ibex
4 is still ok
but 3 im still sleeping 
unreal leaf
is noshiro torp dmg reduction also applicable to cvs torpedo bombers?
floral wave
no
violet kernel
If I’m running Harbin, Shimakaze, and Anchovy, what is the best order to put them in?
Shimakaze has pearl
winged depot
ancho front, shima middle, harbin off tank
violet kernel
Interesting. I wasn’t sure since Harbin has that torp dmg reduction.
empty mesa
@brave ridge bro, can you move this set?
little bobcat
remove shimakaze from the game
merry vale
lusty hill
remove shimakaze from the game
I agree
winged depot
lul
thorn obsidian
how do i make this not suck
use better gear
little bobcat
any distinct fuckups besides the barracuda?
thorn obsidian
no beaver?
little bobcat
beaver on musashi?
lusty hill
Beaver on musashi if she keeps dying
little bobcat
alr
lusty hill
Also black oxytorp for ayanami if you have it
little bobcat
i don't have magtorp, another wyvern or a tenrai
if i had magtorp i'd be using mk ix with it
lusty hill
I think it looks good
little bobcat
any notable +13 recommendations?
i was thinking of doing anchorage's main gun and aa gun along with wnt
thorn obsidian
planes or auxes
little bobcat
dont know why it wasnt listed but hiryuu's oil is also +11
little bobcat
alr
is there really a better replacement for hiryuu's barracuda other than a wyvern? i haven't started pr5 yet, my spare breguet is on unikai and everyone tells me not to do skypirates so
i was just gonna cope with barracuda until i got my next wyvern
stable dawn
no tenrai?
little bobcat
nope
stable dawn
thorn obsidian
tenrai is a DB not a TB
stable dawn
do you know the research strat
little bobcat
yes
stable dawn
aight
warm crow
if you have extra core data you can buy the baracuda dive bomber for shinano for extra crash damage instead of suisei since youre not running 2 wyverns
little bobcat
would it really be that valuable?
warm crow
yeah. it is extra damage and suisei is for faster airstrikes in case of 2 wyverns
little bobcat
ic
stable dawn
tbh I'd run a second boiler on juneau or go for torp aux. Bulge makes her sink too late in my experience
warm crow
the cuda divebomber has the same crash damage as cuda tbs, then just go back to suisei once you have 2 wyverns for nano
little bobcat
tbh I'd run a second boiler on juneau or go for torp aux. Bulge makes her sink t...
i was gonna go gyro, tbh
stable dawn
that works too
little bobcat
im finding that issue too
im also thinking abt celestial body on ayanami since she's actually activating pearl too early
stable dawn
that's probably due to enemy preload airstrikes
little bobcat
it happens with triple bb sometimes too, oddly enough
warm crow
is your ayanami even contributing anything? doesn't the enemy anchorage smoke just catch the ayanami rainbow quint preload?
little bobcat
i don't have too many issues with her torps and anchorage
stable dawn
oh yeah nj and shima rerun should be this year, right?
thorn obsidian
nj probably, shima dont know
winged depot
brave ridge
<@409042765087899649> bro, can you move this set?
u can move.
winged depot
That was probably on last set
empty mesa
Thanks anyway. 
brave ridge
sry was sleeping on this time.
empty mesa
No worries. Maybe next season gonna be better.
ashen drum
Lucky E is such a great ability when it procs
I just had a 12000 avg vs 13500 avg exercise battle,
Everyone died except Enty and two enemy ships (One enty and Tosa), Apparently my Enty clutched a Lucky E right before she was about to get absolutely destroyed by Tosa's shells and enemy Enty's planes and evaded everything and somehow killed Tosa and went ahead with a 1v1 Enty fight and won eventually at like 5% hp
(was just playing exercises for the extra xp, didn't expected such a close battle)
pastel jolt
Wow
vestal hearth
it's like that time when damage control proc'd and then my last ship beat the other ship
uncut agate
final granite
Is the Hornet Yorktown 2 combo better and i just got lucky or Mushi team still best?
empty mesa
I just beat DeRickz lolz
Poggies. I've never defeat DeRickz.
midnight nova
Usually when I PVP usually my Akagi U (don't know what it means or the symbol) takes MVP since I gave her way too many OP things.
floral wave
what might be those op things
empty mesa
Guys, FS5 FdG good in pvp?
hollow walrus
Why do I see Juneau a lot in PvP
marsh sand
Out of refresh, those 4 are too strong for me 
little bobcat
nt gg go next year
?
untold crater
you got it next set
little bobcat
i got #8 this set
velvet tapir
just reached new best pvp league
untold crater
Congrats
merry vale
candid sluice
good job
winged depot
ty @merry vale
merry vale
I was kinda fucked by a ton of people not moving.
I'm just running with it.
I'll be rushing for the rest of the season.
winged depot
overcapped by 1 lel
merry vale
It's rough bud.
pseudo copper
<:Blessex:753375684126310451> overcapped by 1 lel
Hi Yukana
winged depot
we're all yukana
untold crater
!!
empty mesa
I can't be Yukana. He is much better player than me.
pseudo copper
I can't be Yukana. He is much better player than me. <:Blessex:75337568412631045...
Yeah, you aren't. You are Unultra's daughter
untold crater
velvet tapir
The rank restriction after reaching captain league needs to be removed so that anyone can reach Admiral of the Navy League without worrying on their rank, defense fleet and offense fleet
pseudo copper
The rank restriction after reaching captain league needs to be removed so that a...
Just use your exercises and defence fleet doesn't matter. Offence matters just bc of people setting def fleets
Forgot to add, if you are not competitive you can move whenever so can reset with more freedom meaning needing weaker fleets
merry vale
The small chance of annoying someone makes setting a good defense fleet worth it imo.
candid sluice
defense fleets are irrelevant when attacker bonus is so high
stable dawn
The rank restriction after reaching captain league needs to be removed so that a...
have you considered playing the game more?
violet kernel
pseudo copper
have you considered playing the game more?
Stop gatekeeping Bongo smh
stable dawn
Stop gatekeeping Bongo smh
stop gatekeeping me smh
pseudo copper
You are terrible smh
pastel jolt
Hi, do you have any pvp attempts left? lel
acoustic rose
hmm what kind of CL is good for pvp?
uncut agate
Harbin, Juneau, Noshiro, Duca.
that's all.
brave ridge
@winged depot can u move?
marsh sand
My best rank so far top 59, I know this is not gonna be forever but at least I've been in top 100 
merry vale
nocturne zephyr
Could Unicorn + Percy + Seydlitz be fair?
winged depot
<@663644204504711168> can u move?
if you still have me at 15 mins left of this set, sure
brave ridge
ok thx
little bobcat
magtorp-less shima gear alternatives?
candid sluice
Teatorps
winged depot
noice
untold crater
Save some for the rest of us
vestal raptor
Is there any meaning in defense fleet if opponent will just reset and beat us in the end?
pseudo copper
Is there any meaning in defense fleet if opponent will just reset and beat us in...
No, other than walling, but that only matters if you are attempting to cuck someone moving super late or Beth
vestal raptor
What's Beth?
pseudo copper
@neon bronze
untold crater
Is there any meaning in defense fleet if opponent will just reset and beat us in...
None
Just put up your waifus or whatever you want
trail temple
Save some for the rest of us
Overcap bonus
neon bronze
pseudo copper
I sleep well knowing someone is reading my guild ad
candid sluice
I sleep well knowing someone posted my ship names on reddit
merry vale
untold crater
I sleep well knowing I'll wake up hours after reset timer
Waking up is a different story
winged depot
I sleep not knowing I am 6/10
uncut agate
I sleep
merry vale
If you get me again i've already full sent.
uncut agate
stable dawn
velvet tapir
and again my new best league
winged depot
you're getting the hang of it, grats
uncut agate
Nice
pseudo copper
AotN next 
neon bronze
marsh sand
Almost 2 months playing the game, reach Vice admiral today
empty mesa
I know one lvl.69 player that reached AotN. 
marsh sand
candid sluice
big progress
neon bronze
congratulations
deft escarp
Is there any meaning in defense fleet if opponent will just reset and beat us in...
Ig in the last reset you can set a strong defense fleet to try to cuck people from top 10 eos
pastel jolt
Wow! That matters?
untold crater
real tech is set a free fleet to force your opponents to move later and they overcap
south jungle
Real tech is not caring about PvP cuz nothing matters. Including the rewards. 
untold crater
real
whole salmon
Is there any meaning in defense fleet if opponent will just reset and beat us in...
Testing
We test fleets against each other
Aside from that, ig it gives a bit of intimidation
pseudo copper
Aside from that, ig it gives a bit of intimidation
You intimidate me every night
neon bronze
ima pray this guy ain't in amagi
neon bronze
He is on your alt server
quit those alts. rip
pseudo copper
Smh
neon bronze
don't really care
idle elk
What would a perfect Meeb fleet look like in PvP with Noshiro instead of Shimakaze? Kinda figuring out who should gear what, I would appreciate an image of the entire fleet 
I was looking at the pined doc but I'm not sure how to put everything together, like who should wear the Beaver Badge or if Musashi as priority with my only one Quad 152mm 
pastel jolt
musashi has priority for plymouth gun, she also wears beaver as off flag for the meeb fleet
neon bronze
hiryuu w/ WNT as flagship
neon bronze
What would a perfect Meeb fleet look like in PvP with Noshiro instead of Shimaka...
Harbin is also perma content, feel free to replace with Noshiro. Same build for both ships
merry vale
I'd still argue for sexy bofors on Juneau and Anchorage if you have them for higher alpha damage.
And i like 128 137 instead of plymouth gun on Musashi.
The rest is pretty much perfect?
With debate on anchorage torps for countering x y or z.
stable dawn
ply gun gives 35 more FP which boosts her barrage damage
sex bofors is good on juneau if you don't have +13 rainbow AA
but rainbow AA is BiS
literally the best AA gun in the game
if we go on the wiki it's by a significant margin too
merry vale
30 fp isn't doing all that much for her barrage in the first place though, going from 612 to 642 fp is okay, but the extra firing angle and shot spread matters as well.
stable dawn
if you're running meeb, your goal should be to win VG fight so your backline doesn't have to gun down the enemy VG
merry vale
Musashi attacks the frontline consistently with 128 137.
Almost on cooldown when you're the attacker.
stable dawn
why not use 137mm then
similar stats, way higher range (70) and 360 degree firing angle
stable dawn
stable dawn
idle elk
Thanks to all for the help 
My fleet is going like this for now, although now I know where to focus my efforts for upgrades.
But I have two more questions:
-For the Juneau main gun, I think its personal damage is very low but I don't have the event 135mm either ¿Should I give her a Twin 128mm/114mm/100mm?
-Is Harbin much improvement over Noshiro? [I'm getting her anyways, but it's just curiosity ]
floral wave
harbin offers a lot more damage than noshiro
guess smoke helps aswell, but you lose torp dmg reduction for frontline
merry vale
Depending on how much you want to farm passionate polaris in the war archives you can get cosmic kicks for your anchorage, less evasion than washing machine but a whole lot more speed.
60 clears of stage 5 isn't so hard.
49 evasion 72 hp vs 34 and 5 speed.
floral wave
thats either a massive skill or comp issue
little bobcat
i don't have a perfect meeb so
merry vale
Sounds like a no anchorage team.
merry vale
I like how quick double boiler, cosmic and beaver make my frontline.
They just start zooming.
little bobcat
thats either a massive skill or comp issue
it's pretty much both
merry vale
If shima is destroying your team that badly, anti torp bulge on juneau maybe?
floral wave
with just one wyvern i wouldnt run nano hiryuu tbh
little bobcat
If shima is destroying your team that badly, anti torp bulge on juneau maybe?
makes her die too late
also, most of my starts either neither of our vanguards take dmg or they miss
so im just always forced to reset zzz
anchorage + shima actually makes this game unfun
floral wave
then stop using ayanami and dont reset after 10s
little bobcat
i have no other options
floral wave
im running sushi/vang/seyd ancho/harbin/juneau and no issues 99% of the time
little bobcat
i don't have seydlitz
floral wave
unironically percy
little bobcat
i don't have percy
floral wave
you have vang?
little bobcat
i don't have noshiro
floral wave
maybe its just me but aya seems too cope
merry vale
Wouldn't you have the skyraider from the last event?
floral wave
could also try vang+warkai
merry vale
Without wyvern slowing you down that could be a plane upgrade.
Since you don't have any tenrai.
little bobcat
warkai 
floral wave
not warkai, vang+warkai
merry vale
At worst it does helldiver damage on heavy. But it's way better everywhere else.
little bobcat
Wouldn't you have the skyraider from the last event?
isn't it slow?
little bobcat
ig
merry vale
Oh so just asking.
What guns were you using on Vanguard?
Vanguard with a good speed gun is actually really good.
little bobcat
i tested with odin and fdg gun, but it was before i got a 457 so
she could be better with a 457
floral wave
HE guns
little bobcat
warkai
floral wave
bruh
winged depot
warkai good
merry vale
457 Warkai and 457 Vanguard are both pretty good in pvp.
Even with the old budget gold versions with the reload penalty they were still strong.
Guarantee they will hit for more damage than your Shinano.
merry vale
I'm still waiting for the first UR preload carrier to come. God have mercy when Aquila gets power crept in her niche.
If you thought Shima was annoying, let me tell you about misery raining down from the skies.
floral wave
maybe i could go back to running warkai
neon bronze
would try that, but i don't have 1 more georgia gun or the gun used to craft it in gear lab
dry dawn
Trying Admirla of the Fleet and then you get this
stable dawn
it's pretty much both
aya's damage is huge with the augment but is being completely wasted on quint mags. Use teatorps and never look back.
dry dawn
Im tying with musashi flagship, aquilla and ulrich as main, Anchorage(maxed out) shimakaze and Ägir/Junea(maxed out) i dont have New jersey cause i starte when the event dropped. With Ägir my Frontline survives but i cant make enough dmg, with Junea my backline Survives but enemy fleet has around 40-60% life while mines melting
merry vale
What's your gear looking like?
stable dawn
uvh has a serious damage penalty when off-flag. In pvp this is even higher due to the pvp-specific modifiers
dry dawn
Musachi nearly maxed out except Dido AA at 12 and Vanguard fire control at 11, Aquilla maxed out with BF(ap rockets) Tenrai at 11, Ulrich maxed out with Rainbow gun, Vanguard shimakaze with Rainbow torp, and rainbow dildo with Tears drop maxed out, anchorage maxed out with triple purple quad with low reload, ägir maxed out with Drake gun
neon bronze
vanguard also works
winged depot
vg, musashi, aql works yeah
stable dawn
Musachi nearly maxed out except Dido AA at 12 and Vanguard fire control at 11, A...
bf109 has no intercept so you take more damage from enemy airstrikes. Switch to flapjack instead. Use teatorps + black torp on shima. Agir is slow, you are better using Juneau or Harbin off tank
dry dawn
tried junea and gave anchorage beaver squad, but backline melts down, also tried vanguard instead of ulrich but then enemy frontline is killing me
i dont have harbin yet -_-
winged depot
post gears
dry dawn
musashi gun, royal cl gun, dido aa, vanguard fire contorl, black or white shell(tried both
winged depot
ahh yeah that gun can't do anything here
stable dawn
do not use musashi gun. It is slow and terrible
dry dawn
maxed out to 13 (dido aa at 12)
stable dawn
musashi damage scales on barrage, so you don't need white or black shell
dry dawn
yeah tried also the purple he gun but makes less dmg to backluine
winged depot
what
stable dawn
her barrage also blows up enemy vgs pretty much instantly
dry dawn
until i get the dmg scale she alredey sinks
dry dawn
yes
floral wave
thats why you use blue gun
dry dawn
all skills maxed
floral wave
so its not too late
winged depot
blue gun or purple gun are great like what
stable dawn
use Fire Control Table + WNT as your auxes
dry dawn
wnt?
floral wave
also dido aa
stable dawn
washington naval treaty
dry dawn
already using dido aa
floral wave
yeah thats wrong
dry dawn
washington could be ideo
winged depot
what is dido aa
floral wave
fp
dry dawn
fp
winged depot
use staag
stable dawn
yeah staag is better
winged depot
get all the "hit" stuff you can get on backlines
stable dawn
but yeah 90% or more of musashi's damage comes from her barrage procs
just put on a fast IJN gun and watch her win
ez
dry dawn
so more surival?
stable dawn
yeah you really don't have to stack more damage onto her beyond table
dry dawn
that was my idea,= to sink enemy fleet as fast as possible, because the only 2 ships im missing for true end game pvp are NJ and Duca, they were both in the event ive started playing
floral wave
mafia obsession
dry dawn
i see here often on avrora server, mostly in the top 50
stable dawn
the main reason duca vanished is because damage is so high now after musashi that juneau is a better use of the slot
dry dawn
ive also tried junea with egaly repair control, but until here marty dropped, all other ships are sunk
dry dawn
you see how desperate iam
not equipping eagle repair, heal dont have full potential, equipping it, its already to late
stable dawn
are all your ships max level (125)?
dry dawn
of course, all maxed out skills lvl, and nearly all gear( important that inqurised stats first) and even othed all
winged depot
you have shima yes?
stable dawn
might as well screenshot all gear and show it to us here
dry dawn
yes
floral wave
i mean
winged depot
bongo goated
dry dawn
candid sluice
Well there’s the problems 
merry vale
Glass cannon shima.
candid sluice
Converging tb rocket fighter aquila
merry vale
No beaver on musashi.
stable dawn
well no wonder, you don't have wyvern on aquila
dry dawn
tired also shima with beaver and rainbow trops
candid sluice
Shima with rainbow 610s don’t do jack even with blacktorp
candid sluice
Use gyro on juneau instead of dress