#pvp
merry vale
unreal leaf
whats gamer table monkas
merry vale
The upgraded version of HSFCR
winged depot
empty mesa
@merry vale bro can you move for me this set? Love you.
merry vale
Alright i can do you the solid. 
pseudo copper
empty mesa
merry vale
winged depot
brazen socket
how yorky2 looking like in paper for pvp
pseudo copper
Not as good as you
winged depot
candid sluice
đđ
thorn obsidian
I'm leaving this server by the end of the year fyi
thorn obsidian
why would you want to
pseudo copper
Ily
thorn obsidian
blame the mods and peoples of gph
pseudo copper
That's why
thorn obsidian
no point in me staying in alo anymore, the mods all out for me, the members here are toxic
untold crater
rip to the goat
uncut agate
people memed in this channel so much that mods stopped coming here 
thorn obsidian
mods still exist here
theyre just plotting how to torture me more
im just waiting for a ban or a lawsuit
or personal attacks in dms
crisp tiger
pseudo copper
We here protect our own 
thorn obsidian
theres no point in me being here
lusty hill
why are they mean to you
pseudo copper
anyway guess ill go live in ECTL gph now
They're more toxic Have fun
thorn obsidian
Atleast I canât get banned there from bias mods in here
pseudo copper
candid sluice
Why would u go to a downgrade server
thorn obsidian
cause this server wants me dead or banned
neon bronze
candid sluice
They want it for me too yet Iâm still here
lusty hill
make this channel gph2 lol
wide minnow
None of this sounds like PvP chat 
wide minnow
I mean I can show you guys PvP but it wonât be Azur lane. Get back on topic.
empty mesa
Minty vs mods. Real pvp.
wide minnow
You can take your conspiracies to somewhere that isnât a chat dedicated to PvP chat
thorn obsidian
And yet, I donât see you discussing pvp in chat here, only complaining as well
wide minnow
Because I donât PvP and saw that this chat was off topic while rolling through checking things. End of this discussion, get back on topic and donât let me roll back through later and see more of these conspiracies~
lime rivet
What he said.
brave ridge
Let`s Gooooo
neon bronze
Yo, should I put an easy, waifu fleet as defense, or do a strong defense to weed out newbies.
lime rivet
Why not both
pseudo copper
Don't think your def fleet counts as strong
neon bronze
lime rivet
Some fuckery with a waifu fleet can make it deceptively hard against any non-meta option
pseudo copper
neon bronze
Yeah
lime rivet
I think mine was a NJ/Ent/Independence, Anch/Birmingham/Juneau waifu fleet, slow on Indep, damecon on NJ
pseudo copper
Just gear it properly and can eos in Amagi
lime rivet
:effort:
neon bronze
indep's just crazy on def fleets i've encountered
pseudo copper
Or most places actually 
neon bronze
pseudo copper
indep's just crazy on def fleets i've encountered
Considering you got walled by me, not a surprise
lime rivet
Indep synced with NJ can delete vanguards if you're lucky
pseudo copper
Am easiest snipe in Amagi
lime rivet
And anch/birm/juneau is surprisingly wally
lime rivet
Or could do something stupid like 46cm on off-flag uvh
neon bronze
Or could do something stupid like 46cm on off-flag uvh
got walled by a supertyphoon on that one event of hers...
oh well... gear issue mostly on my end. going to rectify that
untold crater
Yo, should I put an easy, waifu fleet as defense, or do a strong defense to weed...
Meme
floral wave
Let`s Gooooo
candid sluice
One mans meme is another mans benchmark
empty mesa
My defense is meme.
pseudo copper
True
brave ridge
<:Blessex:753375684126310451>
winged depot
rain drum
How to beat Deathkt def pls help
pseudo copper
deft escarp
Lmao
It's gonna take me like 4 months to get the gear and ships needed to not get walled on my Amagi acc
torpid shuttle
my equips are a little lazy, but i thought i could just reset a couple time
winged depot
yeah looks like it
sudden knoll
i got walled <:HornetBruh:721896663928537130>
Only need harbin for it
torpid shuttle
you mean for yourself?
sudden knoll
Atm I get Azuma for 3 starring 14-4 but after her i go back to harbin
Musashi, Honey, Ancho, Shima is base for my pvp fleet atleast, i dunno bout other people
floral wave
that's the common one I see these days
ive literally seen only 2 harbins on amagi
well 3 if i count myself
winged depot
you haven't seen me use her yet?
winged depot
pseudo copper
Smh, I don't exist
merry vale
oak silo
deft escarp
Kinda doesn't seem like it to me ngl
winged depot
enty is not even meta anymore
winged depot
she's interesting imo, kinda want to try her and hornet
pastel jolt
One mans meme is another mans benchmark
merry vale
Backline still want stags for hit. AA carries still want sexy bofors.
But your Frontline is the best choice for it.
velvet geode
obtuse vault
fleet laurel
is purplediver better than golddiver in pvp?
uncut agate
purple diver is worse than gold diver in every content, let alone pvp 
fleet laurel
i though it better because the purple one colored green and the other one yellow
whole salmon
empty mesa
It's yellow because it's gold.
pseudo copper
You should just git gud and equip triple Wyvern
valid oxide
I think golddiver is only marked amber because it's more expensive to get than purple diver without any significant advantage
pseudo copper
I think golddiver is only marked amber because it's more expensive to get than p...
Better in every way pvp wise, that's just pve
valid oxide
Oh yeah, what is AD-1 like for pvp btw
valid oxide
Most PvP vanguards are light or medium armour right? Is that why ad-1 looking good
floral wave
Most PvP vanguards are light or medium armour right? Is that why ad-1 looking go...
you still need to hit those rockets
untold crater
I think golddiver is only marked amber because it's more expensive to get than p...
Just RLD reason
trail temple
i though it better because the purple one colored green and the other one yellow...
Thanks for pointing it out, was a typo
pseudo copper
Thanks for pointing it out, was a typo
Smh, imagine not making guide perfect from first try. Disappointed in you almost as much as the Amagi hackers
trail temple
Smh, imagine not making guide perfect from first try. Disappointed in you almost...
Salty wasn't doing his job of QC correctly
merry vale
pseudo copper
Salty is cute so it's fine
candid sluice
đ
untold crater
Meeb is truly unbeatable
autumn charm
What fleet here could beat Shimakaze anchorage new Jersey fleets (and even aquila) assuming all the ships you can choose from here are lvl 120-125
untold crater
No anchorage?
Musashi/Shinano/Hiryuu/Anchorage/Helena/Juneau probably best
Hiryuu drops like 3-2 or so and Juneau drops 5-2
Maybe can use Noshiro over Helena
And anchorage should be easy to unlock with this USS event giving so much easy TP
autumn charm
Juneau needs retro to be good right?
I'm on 600 US tech points
If I don't have anchorage is there any alternative
autumn charm
What's her special feature
azure swan
just a skill upgrade
ive got no idea what makes juneau so good for pvp
but she always has been
i mean you might as well retro her
candid sluice
Heal good
autumn charm
Oh I c thx
azure swan
no harm no foul
autumn charm
Ah
old portal
Is there a guide for best iron blood fleet composition?
whole salmon
The word âbestâ and âironbloodâ donât often go together in pvp
It is more so âusable fodderâ
whole salmon
Seydlitz, FDG, UvH, Mainz, Agir, Leipzig
Stack a lot of boilers
And cope you donât lose frontline fight
old portal
Can I use Ulrich instead of FDG
whole salmon
Thatâs UvH
whole salmon
You need all of that to even be remotely usable at mid to high mid tier
old portal
Alright sounds fun thanks 
tacit fulcrum
<@260010294275866624> love ya, man
you mean you found me? try to defeat me tomorow if i put my pvp fleet đ
i swear you will not have any chance 
winged depot
omg hi mr bucherlord
pseudo copper
Beth vs Bucherlord
winged depot
the fight of the century
untold crater
Boys love
stable dawn
valid oxide
Boys beloved
merry vale
trail temple
I can't wait to see how Beth vs Bucher goes down, 2 great pvp minds going at it
stoic moon
bucher invented pvp m*sturbation no shot beth can beat him
crude mortar
imagine getting walled in amagi
coral wren
should I use fs5 ancho or dev30 agir?
trail temple
While have put Agir's gear setup in the pvp spreadsheet, I don't think I put a comp with her in it
There's plenty of Ancho though
vague fox
Is this a normal damage spread? It feels like my opponents' vanguards always deal a ton of damage, while don't seem to do anything
merry vale
Your enty is tickling them. What's her gear?
merry vale
Is this a normal damage spread? It feels like my opponents' vanguards always dea...
Your Vanguard lacks Shimakaze or Ayanami/Harbin. That's why you feel you do no damage.
Sandi is kind of a meme.
vague fox
Ah okay, I'm working on getting Harbin out right now, don't have Shima, and Noshiro's not built.
merry vale
Harbin will work a lot better than Sandi. Straight up upgrade.
vague fox
Yeah, just slotted Sandy for some AA cause I didn't know what else to add 
merry vale
vague fox
My only 2 wyverns are in pve right now and lazy, and my only oil tank thing is on hiryuu
merry vale
That explains it.
You want parallel torps.
Even gold barracuda is better than ryusei.
candid sluice
use gold cuda yea
merry vale
You also want avi gas instead of your catapult.
candid sluice
converging torp bombers suck
vague fox
looking at the pinned guide again now, yeah I'll swap some stuff around. I assume the 2 new aircraft are bad for pvp? intercept too important?
candid sluice
more like the issue is rockets are inconsistent
merry vale
Plane hp boosts the damage really high.
So with parallel torps+ avi gas your enty should start doing a lot more work.
vague fox
My only gas is on hiryuu atm, should I swap it to enty and give hiryuu 2x catapults?
merry vale
Washington navel treaty if you have it. If you do, make hiryuu your flag ship.
And a catapult till you get more gas.
trail temple
You need to keep in mind, the new stuff only came out on Thursday/Friday. We'd need to build them to an appropriate level before testing them
But, I can tell you that the new rockets are better for light enemies
vague fox
Washington navel treaty if you have it. If you do, make hiryuu your flag ship.
that's a strange item. why is that good?
candid sluice
stats
merry vale
Tldr. It smooths out rng burst to make more consistent fights.
It's also a lot of evasion and hit.
neon bronze
why is WNT not +13? Laking gold plates?
merry vale
Yep.
neon bronze
understandable
merry vale
Missing 40 plates.
neon bronze
so... that's the new BiS Hiryuu (if flagship) comp?
vague fox
I'll give you some plates for your coins 
neon bronze
I'll give you some plates for your coins <:PortDoll:585585241142591535>
12-1, 12-4, 13-4 and the event D3 are good places to farm some
vague fox
yeahyeah, they're just disappearing faster than i can make them during events
winged depot
i'm more interested in that gems 
merry vale
I'll trade the 300k for your gems.
vague fox
merry vale
neon bronze
Give
vague fox
Who gets Pearl/Beaver/Manjuu with Anchor Juneau Harbin?
merry vale
Okay so.
Pearl Juneau is legit with her retrofit.
Manju on Anchorage.
Beaver on Musashi.
Along with the rainbow table if you can.
vague fox
Beaver on Musashi?
neon bronze
beaver on musashi if you are running musashi - hiryuu - shinano
merry vale
neon bronze
well, it's also valid if you run musashi - another bb - 1 cv
vague fox
I don't know that I've ever seen that secondary, and not seeing it in the pinned guide
lusty hill
beaver on musashi if you are running musashi - hiryuu - shinano
why is that?
neon bronze
why is that?
was my solution when i did Meeb against 3 BB defense fleets
back then, no beaver = sunken musashi
lusty hill
I see
merry vale
It over doubles her base evasion.
neon bronze
and my 2 CVs weren't usually enough to finish them off
merry vale
No reason not to use it.
Her firepower breaks 500-600 anyways so firepower boosting is less efficient.
But her evasion sucks dick.
merry vale
Washing machine.
neon bronze
rudder iirc, but it's a downgrade
lusty hill
ok thanks
merry vale
I don't know that I've ever seen that secondary, and not seeing it in the pinned...
It's very new.
vague fox
Oh is that one of the guns added with the new gear lab stuff?
merry vale
That's how you find it.
The tldr is. It allows Musashi and NJ to attack the Vanguard a ton.
And if they face hug your backline it attacks really nicely.
The firing angle is insane
neon bronze
really good for intercepting stuff in PvE and assisting in the vanguard fight in PvP
merry vale
And it's long ranged.
vague fox
Thanks for all the advice, very helpful 
merry vale
neon bronze
merry vale
Your pvp matches should feel a whole lot better with those few changes.
whole salmon
why is that?
Beaver on backline still provides speed increase to frontline
Which frees up a slot for frontliners
Beaver backline has been meta in pvp for a long while now
And yeah it helps with evasion on BBs
Beaver, WNT, Pearl, Manjuu are pvp items that should be present on every fleet
merry vale
Yeah it's insanely good.
The evasion is exceptionally noticeable. The damage lost from losing a shell isn't.
neon bronze
merry vale
Going from 60-100 evasion makes a world of difference.
Keeping Musashi alive takes way more priority.
Especially if you're running 2 cvs.
Because the enemy BBs will focus fire her and she actually can die pretty quick.
Musashi NJ and Vanguard focus firing her is pretty common.
With beaver on her I really don't care too much anymore. I've been 50/50'd once in a few months.
Tbh honestly. I'm so lazy I do meta fights and op siren with her pvp gear and it makes almost no difference.
Even with beaver and pvp gun she is still doing more than plenty everywhere.
merry vale
She still out damages my 457 uvh.
And they both have all +13 gear.
Also perfect proof of concept. Against triple BB she just kinda gets focused into oblivion. So her soaking more salvos Is really important.
untold crater
Me when musashi isn't flag
untold crater
WNT is cope on meeb
winged depot
I only use wnt on musashi if triple bb
merry vale
Oh I didn't lose.
winged depot
he wins though
merry vale
Nowhere close.
winged depot
his cvs not revealed
untold crater
Ah i thought it's enemy VG then nvm
neon bronze
your def fleet is the same as ur attack fleet, right?
merry vale
your def fleet is the same as ur attack fleet, right?
Correct.
I might set a triple BB fleet at some point just to change it up.
Uvh instead of NJ because cope.
pastel jolt
Flexing wins versus Farf, what world is this?
empty mesa
My benchmark is DrHorsePope's Mafia.
trail temple
I only use retired veterans as a benchmark for my pvp fleet
neon bronze
2 BB + Aquila benchmarks: 4 players... Two guys I dislike because I lost to them once before Musashi event; NotSoWais; and JorgeR
Meeb benchmark: bucherlord
neon bronze
im pepeg, not going to stop until i can consistently beat their fleets 50/50
pseudo copper
2 BB + Aquila benchmarks: 4 players... Two guys I dislike because I lost to them...
I thought you lost to me though
Oh am I included in the 4?
pastel jolt
<@459981599589662721>
Bro
pastel jolt
My benchmark is DrHorsePope's Mafia.
Do you by chance mean Dr. Aoste?
empty mesa
How did you know?
neon bronze
Oh am I included in the 4?
No, you don't have a consistent def fleet
untold crater
@empty mesa is your fleet unequip? The Harbin one
cinder wolf
đż
pastel jolt
Why would you call my lord and saviour Dr. Aoste Horse Poop? You have deeply offended my sensibilities and have left me very hurt by that statement. If Dr. Aoste (the coolest man on earth) has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Dr. Aoste (the coolest man on earth) has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Dr. Aoste (the coolest man on earth) has only one fan then that is me. If Dr. Aoste (the coolest man on earth) has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Dr. Aoste (the coolest man on earth), then I am against the world.
neon bronze
Consistently guild ad
Well unless if I post that I have you on my list
Oh well, let it be lmao
pastel jolt
đ§ Getting WALLED by Deathkt of all people?
empty mesa
<@538080738776449025> is your fleet unequip? The Harbin one
Right now? Equipped.
neon bronze
đ§ Getting WALLED by Deathkt of all people?
Wais managed to wall me around an hour before reset.
pastel jolt
I don't think he has you on list
untold crater
Right now? Equipped.
Is it always?
cinder wolf
walled in 1hr
empty mesa
Not when I do META.
cinder wolf
i do meta with pvp gears, git gud bro
empty mesa
I sucks at this game bro.
pastel jolt
True
untold crater
Is this equip or with meta gears
pastel jolt
Looks like META unless he runs 2x 457 on Musashi/NJ
untold crater
Few days ago
cinder wolf
Is this equip or with meta gears
nice ship girl name bro
untold crater
Looks like META unless he runs 2x 457 on Musashi/NJ
My fleet is 180xx with only NJ oath?
pastel jolt
Brah one is 18.2 all oath idk
pseudo copper
Minty leaving soon 
pastel jolt
And his gear all 13
pseudo copper
We should all rename our Ancho to Minty
untold crater
Brah one is 18.2 all oath idk
U probably tech gapped
pastel jolt
Bro, what's your FP on Amagi
untold crater
Fleet power?
pseudo copper
Firepower prob
pastel jolt
Yea, combat FP of defense scales up with it
neon bronze
Too bad I don't have an oath ring available atm.
pastel jolt
I'm not being ironic
empty mesa
untold crater
Yea, combat FP of defense scales up with it
It scales with your 120 tech not account FP for the LB
pastel jolt
What's yours 
think it's pretty comparable
untold crater
23k
untold crater
Yeah mines 180xx / 16161
pastel jolt
Think he's using your no WNT tech still
pseudo copper
What's a WNT?
pastel jolt
Probably +13 drekgun
untold crater
Probably +13 drekgun
+13 oxy diff
pastel jolt
After all
cinder wolf
What's a WNT?
wnthisnuts
pastel jolt
Think +13 Rainbow AA better on Anch though. Poverty account 
untold crater
Oh and +13 UR aa
pseudo copper
wnthisnuts
My fav snack
trail temple
@empty mesa Interesting Anchorage naming
empty mesa
I was told that the previous name was bad so I renamed.
trail temple
I saw some really racist stuff on Washy before, don't remember the names because it was 2+ years ago
Can't imagine the pvp names being worse
empty mesa
Racist names? PvP players are so toxic smh.
thorn obsidian
I was told that the previous name was bad so I renamed.
winged depot
candid sluice
neon bronze
đż
tame void
is Yorktown II good pvp?
pastel jolt
the new meta
little bobcat
SO TRUE
untold crater
stable dawn
tacit fulcrum
Muahahahaha
empty mesa
deft escarp
candid sluice
the lord does it again
neon bronze
Truly amagi's no. 2 PvPer.
trail temple
Muahahahaha
M-God has nothing on the likes of Bucherlord and UNULTRA
spare orchid
can someone explain this
frigid hamlet
Explain the dupe? That's illustrious and muse illustrious
trail temple
Baited
whole salmon
can someone explain this
One of it is the Muse in skin share feature
lusty hill
Cheating
candid sluice
that guy is just better at the game
solid phoenix
can someone explain this
Yes, those are my wives, I married all of them.
winged depot
Based
spare orchid
i didn't know muse ships could use skins and got really confused for a second
you got me good
spare orchid
only nerds read patch notes
spare orchid
merry vale
red lance
Is this equip or with meta gears
my favourite part of the empire strikes back is when vader was holding lukes hand, then kicks him away and says its morbin time
neon bronze
<@542450575988490241> can you rush?
nvm, another one rushed.
brazen socket
hows yk2 looking in pvp
uncut agate
meh
candid sluice
new meta
empty mesa
Is this a good loadout for YT2 (Tenrai for interception)?
pseudo copper
Is this a good loadout for YT2 (Tenrai for interception)?
You should equip Tenrai on 3rd slot for interception too
empty mesa
Fixed.
pseudo copper
Looks good now
candid sluice
who tf uses mic in 2023
uncut agate
Dual mic for extra accuracy
empty mesa
Mic bad?
untold crater
Mic Good.
lusty hill
Tenrai can intercept?
trail temple
Tenrai can intercept?
Did you by any chance see the conversation in ALM and decided to meme it?
tl;dr the wiki will show you if a TB/DB will intercept (e.g. wyvern) or if a fighter won't intercept (e.g. german rocket fighter)
whole salmon
Tenrai can intercept?
A lot of these are inside jokes
That the common folk wonât understand
lusty hill
That the common folk wonât understand
candid sluice
join the cool kids club to understand
trail temple
A lot of these are inside jokes
Thank you, Jedi Master Pink
trail temple
Who knows? Maybe MK will avenge you in the sequel PvP tournament
thorn obsidian
York II is viable in pvp?
trail temple
Not enough testing
whole salmon
Not enough testing
I have some ideas of anti frontline fleets with Northampton 2
If anyone has a raised Northampton 2 then I want to suggest a fleet for you to test
candid sluice
im still working on her skills
floral wave
If anyone has a raised Northampton 2 then I want to suggest a fleet for you to t...
you cant just stop talking after saying that
go on smh
whole salmon
I have some stupid ideas that I would like to try but I donât have her raised currently
It was a mistake rushing Hornet as I misread her skills, it is more pepega than I thought
winged depot
its a typo
whole salmon
It is only immunity to crash and ram damage
While being concealed
However things such as torps or barrages can still slap her
floral wave
oh well
whole salmon
Or if frontline is gone, enemy can push in
In short, it isnât like Hiryuu
Back to the Northampton topic
winged depot
actually interesting now that I look at it
thorn obsidian
winged depot
who's usually the flag when its triple bbs, nj?
thorn obsidian
depends on bbs?
floral wave
well theres only one set of bbs
uncut agate
NJ
fickle echo
It is only immunity to crash and ram damage
She actually died to planes on pvp when I tested her, I think it's because even if she's immune to crash she isn't immune to the bombs on the planes
floral wave
lmao
winged depot
weirdge
floral wave
now i regret my skill lvlups priority
winged depot
she was fine for 8 seconds when I tested on w13
whole salmon
Keep in mind this is a stupid idea
floral wave
at least nort is halfway done already
floral wave
who does it slow for
whole salmon
Northampton provides 50% slow for enemies whenever a CV does an airstrike
floral wave
oh wait
whole salmon
That should combo well with Independence
fickle echo
now i regret my skill lvlups priority
Wait until Glowworm retro changes the meta
whole salmon
She should be fast enough to provide the slow
floral wave
indep is like 16
whole salmon
For Musashi and New Jersey
winged depot
does the cv need to be uss?
whole salmon
This is just a dumb strategy
floral wave
yeah
whole salmon
I have an idea of doing it with Aquila as well
winged depot
just the flagship
whole salmon
But Iâm still thinking currently
winged depot
ye
winged depot
indep though
whole salmon
Not a lot of people have blue torp on Ancho I think
Most have the torp be timed against CVs
floral wave
actually been meaning to ask you
whole salmon
So this strategy shouldnât be affected by that
uncut agate
Not a lot of people have blue torp on Ancho I think
I do cuz so many triple BB in lexi đ
whole salmon
Independence is 13.86 for first strike @floral wave
floral wave
quints seem a no-go then
whole salmon
-25% cd reduction for first strike
floral wave
yeah i meant regular cvs
whole salmon
So in this way
Independence airstrike should hit first to apply slow
With Musashi and NJ coming in later
Everything should be over by 18 seconds mark
If the enemy frontline is still alive then retry
floral wave
thats if independence is alive for first strike
whole salmon
Aquila wonât be able to instantly kill her
And she would launch before the BBs can fire
If you say that she could be torped then so can any other CV in that position
floral wave
yeah
swordfish torps need to hit in order to apply slow?
as in can the slow effect be evaded
floral wave
except belfast
trail temple
Only way a blue torp ancho can stop something like that is if you got the 3 second cooldown reduction
whole salmon
But Anchoâs smoke can stop that
whole salmon
So I changed to Independence
And Ancho couldnât defend against that
So yeah, thatâs my idea pitch
It sounds kinda stupid but this is worth trying
It isnât meant to last after 20 seconds as it would lose against any fleet with Shinano
floral wave
if only there was a uss cv with semi preload that has a db slot
cinder wolf
lusty hill
Independence has fast reload 
hidden burrow
best carriers?
pseudo copper
best carriers?
Check pins, Salty doc
hidden burrow
Check pins, Salty doc
ty
pseudo copper
Np
steel coral
So I changed to Independence
Indep good 
vague fox
how much do you top rankers change your team/gear around to counter your opponent?
coral wren
uncut agate
how much do you top rankers change your team/gear around to counter your opponen...
never
merry vale
^
stable dawn
you can change your pvp fleet????
merry vale
50/50s don't exist anymore after a certain point, there really is no need to switch gear.
untold crater
50/50 don't exist unless your are comp/gear gapped
merry vale
I guess you call this Amagi privilege's?
merry vale
The lack of teams good enough to force a 50/50.
untold crater
There is no 50/50
Anywhere
There is an attacker advantage
If you have 50% WR, the enemy team is quite better than yours
merry vale
Individual teams capable of forcing a 50/50 with endgame comp/gear just don't really exist so once you're geared enough on Amagi you stop losing at all.
zenith lantern
Even if it was 50:50 there's not necessarily time to change gear anyway. You're doing most of your exercises at the last minute
merry vale
Winrates being near 100% without retrys just becomes the norm.
untold crater
Pretty much
vague fox
Oh is Amagi really easy? That might explain why I'm doing so well my first week trying 
merry vale
Amagi is a bit of a meme, even the 'meta' fleets are rarely geared to a point they will wall you.
Assuming you have pvp basics like anchorage etc etc.
untold crater
most pvpers have waifu fleet as to not wall their movers
merry vale
There's a small handful that put up good fleets just because.
fathom ibex
that's an interesting topic
I just use stuff that refuses to die to annoy other players
merry vale
vestal hearth
my Juneau is geared for AA, but I don't switch out for 3BB
untold crater
my fleet is geared for meta; but i dont switch it to meta; because of meta
pastel jolt
who's usually the flag when its triple bbs, nj?
Vanguard
Most useless
Either her or Musashi
pastel jolt
most pvpers have waifu fleet as to not wall their movers
*most actual
pastel jolt
The lack of teams good enough to force a 50/50.
50/50 doesn't actually exist. Every geared pvp fleet across other servers has at least 80% winrate against other heavily geared fleets due to attacker adv
lusty hill
is there other source of high efficiency other than weekly pack and opsi shop?
shit wrong channel
deft escarp
I guess you call this Amagi privilege's?
Snadi privilege
valid oxide
Is amagi actually just PvP easy mode
candid sluice
unless u run into unultra
pseudo copper
Still ez, just send him offerings and he'll let you through with his blessings if he's pleased
mystic salmon
How much merit do I get per match?
pseudo copper
How much merit do I get per match?
Depends on rank. The exercise page in the wiki has exact details for each rank
mystic salmon
Ty
late heath
most pvpers have waifu fleet as to not wall their movers
What if waifu fleet is meta fleet
winged depot
valid oxide
Didn't even realize I could start ancho
I should really check more often
As close to meta PvP as I can get soon â˘ď¸
untold crater
What if waifu fleet is meta fleet
That can only happen if your waifu is Kashino
lusty hill
Bigger rack = better tank
uncut agate
Kashino
wheat torrent
Can you help me understand again why triple sakra torps on anchorage better than any of these torp recommendations?
merry vale
Blue torps go brrr.
steel coral
Can you help me understand again why triple sakra torps on anchorage better than...
triple 610 for faster carriers like Aquila
quad mag for slower carriers like Shinano
twin torp for BBs
wheat torrent
triple 610 for faster carriers like Aquila
quad mag for slower carriers like Shi...
thanks!
candid sluice
breguet or gold cudas
trail temple
i still dont have wyverns. any other good torp bombers for Shinano?
From the pvp spreadsheet
Tenrai can be used if you're using the faster torpedo bombers (breguet/cuda)
thorn obsidian
new Db is bad?
neon bronze
for pvp? can see it being niche but the loading time being 1 sec longer than even the tenrai probably kills usage in pvp
fallow granite
looking at the pvp doc guide I'm not sure if I should do the fleet that has hakuryuu or just msn
should I put pearl on shima or juneau
fallow granite
wait nvm
I said the wrong thing
so I was looking at tier 0 fleets and 2 of them has hiryuu but my hiryuu is only level 70 so idk if I should just use the msn or use the fleet that has hiryuu
thorn obsidian
for pvp? can see it being niche but the loading time being 1 sec longer than eve...
well its basically a 'Light' diver, better on light armour right?
winged depot
so I was looking at tier 0 fleets and 2 of them has hiryuu but my hiryuu is only...
do you have any other?
options*
fallow granite
there's hiryuu shinano mushy, mushy shinano nj, and hiryuu mushy nj
so I only have one option rn unless if I just boost hiryuu up to level 125 with the 3k exp boost books
fallow granite
which one's better
neon bronze
msn is fine
winged depot
harbin
fallow granite
k I'll get her in the future
neon bronze
juneau for the meantime
winged depot
harbin is missing a lot if not dev 30 btw
valid oxide
Do Harbin torp smoke cover both BB and CV timing?
winged depot
idk she's just there to toughen up my front so my backline could kill
valid oxide
Or not fast enough for bb
fallow granite
so if I do anchorage shima and harbin vanguard I need 2 mag torp right?
winged depot
could go for tea torps still
neon bronze
well its basically a 'Light' diver, better on light armour right?
Best anti-light db, yes
But use case in pvp kinda limited unless if you want torp ship down by first airstrike, which most good fleets do kind-of consistently before that
winged depot
harbin + shima tea torps could kill a musashi
fallow granite
is it better on harbin for boiler + mag torp or boiler + beaver/oxy torp
floral wave
beaver goes to backline
fallow granite
where do I get mag torp aux again
winged depot
usually have my beaver on musashi, I personally use a boiler+black torp but you can do black torp and black burn
or idk the name of the gridman gear
floral wave
goldburn? i think
neon bronze
Yep goldburn
winged depot
ahh cc
fallow granite
so peral goes on shima instead of juneau correct?
winged depot
yes
neon bronze
btw is a breguet - tenrai - wyvern gear comp fine for shinano?
fallow granite
what gun on juneau
neon bronze
kinda a waste putting wyvern on the 2 tb slot wjen there's a 4 any plane slot on shin
floral wave
that makes her faster
fallow granite
juneau gets gyro and bulge or boilers?
winged depot
I use gyro and boiler
fallow granite
what about the gun
fallow granite
I guess 128
floral wave
im using 128 but 100 is fine aswell
not like juneau doesna lot of damage even with mgm2
fallow granite
so in msn setup should I give mushy twin 410 with fire control and white shell or twin 356 with beaver and white shell
floral wave
twin 356 beaver hpfcr/table
fallow granite
mushy's better on flag right?
fallow granite
would treaty be better or beaver when she's on flag
floral wave
wnt = more consistency
neon bronze
musashi w/ 356, nj w/ 457
absolute cooldown shenanigans ig, it works. Not much of a decrease between musashi w/ 356 or 410, when most of her damage is from the busted barrage.
fallow granite
hm
should I keep shima's oxy torp or black torp?
I need to replace one with the pearl
neon bronze
If using teatorp, keep the black torp
neon bronze
nj then
fallow granite
nj got white shell and table
neon bronze
Replace white shell
fallow granite
alr
neon bronze
White shell is good for dmg. What's more important is keeping them alive for another salvo, which Beaver does
and iirc, WNT also has some evasion
winged depot
triple 610 for faster carriers like Aquila
quad mag for slower carriers like Shi...
^
fallow granite
so I have to switch between torps per exercise fight
neon bronze
so... situational...
winged depot
depends if you want
neon bronze
yep looks like it
winged depot
I usually don't
neon bronze
triple mag torp
fallow granite
alr
neon bronze
neon bronze
marsh sand
All red hair lol
merry vale
I wonder if they have a type.
scenic tendon
how to counter pre-load carriers fleet?
floral wave
anchorage
winged depot
based
lusty hill
This fleet is so strong like famine, took me more than 10 minutes to beat him
lusty hill
lol really
untold crater
yes
stable dawn
we should ask them what's their pvp loadout
stable dawn
trail temple
This fleet is so strong like famine, took me more than 10 minutes to beat him
@lime rivet Are you bullying the newbies in pvp again?
trail temple
He should be glad you didn't go the whole way and use Meeb
marsh vector
i have just realised how bad my exercises are, im only at commander
pseudo copper
You'll get better 
trail temple
Should be able to get to Captain naturally
neon bronze
You can do it, provided you reset if the match goes bad for your ships
coral wren
hi guys dumb question but i should always be targetting the left most opponent right?
vestal hearth
it's generally the rule because it's in ascending order
coral wren
understood, ty
zenith tundra
depends on the goal. if you want extra points attack people with highest rank possible. if you just want to do attempts fast just attack anyone who is higher rank then you
coral wren
i wish to obtain as many merits as possible. which option would be better in achieving that?
zenith tundra
as many points as possible but for that you need to wait for opponents to use their attempts 1st and then attack them, aka sandbag
coral wren
ahh too many pvp concepts i dont understand. noted with thanks anyway tho
zenith tundra
just make sure you use all your attempts and keep attacking people higher rank then you and it shouldn't be a problem getting to admiral of the navy rank
coral wren
will do, many thanks! (higher rank means lower number right)
vestal hearth
yes
you're fine to attack someone who has a higher rank than you but a less powerful defense fleet than the others, if you're struggling with those
but for many who frequent this channel, the target is to gain a bonus from any possible opponents
boreal parcel
This KMS fleet was interesting
pastel jolt
Lexington player?
zenith tundra
i've been playing for 3 months.
no comp to do pvp and reset every fight like 10 times. pvp so much fun...
waxen lion
yes
lusty hill
No 2 
untold crater
Kpop on top
winged depot
candid sluice
the power of stan culture is too strong
winged depot
Congrats bro
untold crater
Gz
zinc phoenix
Thankies
vague fox
How useful is Frontier Medal against a triple BB team?
pastel jolt
Not very unless you use 2cv yourself
vague fox
I do yeah
pastel jolt
Then it's fine
untold crater
Taking flagship from musashi
pastel jolt
Tier 0 fleet Musashi Hiryuu Shinano recommends Hiryuu flagship
untold crater
My fault OG
lusty hill
Why hiryuu and not shinano?
candid sluice
Minor brag, first one (aotn)
congrats man
untold crater
Why hiryuu and not shinano?
Same reason why you don't use musashi flag
To lower your winrate
untold crater
đ
neon bronze
Hiryuu flag eats up BB salvos, Musashi in the same comp would just... sink
Normally it'd be suicide for a CV to be flagship, but her Final Counter skill ensures that she'll survive
Plus. Putting WNT for more consistent fights is a no-brainer for Hiryuu.
untold crater
đ
lusty hill
Bruh no wonder why my shinano dies so easily lol
neon bronze
Shinano flag is just asking for her early sinking
untold crater
Plus no ram damage
spare pond
Dido refusing to die
distant thorn
Missed six battles and still managed to get it by rushing, Washington is (first time)
stable dawn
congrats
neon bronze
Missed six battles and still managed to get it by rushing, Washington is <:Bless...
Congratulations, for your first AotN.
distant thorn
candid sluice
nice congrats
hollow cove
Game got me again did IJN PvP build change much lately? I was using Shinano-Nagato-Amagi / Azuma-Shimakaze-Yukikaze honestly not even sure it was optimal at the time
untold crater
show dock
hollow cove
yes boss
untold crater
current meta like Musashi NJ Shinano
hollow cove
hollow cove
current meta like Musashi NJ Shinano
have them but very behind on leveling for Musashi
winged depot
why ijn specifically
although, musashi-hiryuu-shinano-suzutsuki-shima-yuki if you're really stubborn about an ijn fleet
untold crater
have them but very behind on leveling for Musashi
u want mono faction fleet?
super suboptimal to not use anchorage
hollow cove
u want mono faction fleet?
Not necessarely but was using that whan I was playing
Mostly wanna fit in Azuma
winged depot
meta changed drastically
untold crater
Mostly wanna fit in Azuma
gl with that; slow and cb modifiers she just die and is deadweight
hollow cove
super suboptimal to not use anchorage
Don't have her shoulf start doing her now?
winged depot
yes
untold crater
yeah
valid oxide
Noshiro is useable
untold crater
Musashi/NJ/Shinano/Anchorage/Shimakaze/Juneau
is like the current meta
can swap juneau for harbin
or noshiro but harbin is better
winged depot
juneau is for a safer option
hollow cove
Years pass by and you sick fucks still abuse poor Juneau for kamikaze healing
Oh she got retrofit
valid oxide
At least she doesn't die straight away now
hollow cove
can swap juneau for harbin
After I do anchorage then
untold crater
yeah if you dont want to use juneau harbin is good
untold crater
Years pass by and you sick fucks still abuse poor Juneau for kamikaze healing
yeah but now she heals herself when sinks
hollow cove
I use Azuma-Juneau-Shimakaze until I have anchorage then do Harbin
untold crater
no
winged depot
use suzu
untold crater
noshiro better
winged depot
instead
hollow cove
Let me say goodbye
winged depot
or yeah noshi
untold crater
juneau/shim/noshiro
untold crater
let azuma rest
candid sluice
her torp bulges arent enough to save her
hollow cove
if you truly love her, let her rest
Yeah leave her in secretary spot
winged depot
pastel jolt
According to the esteemed channel of experts #gameplay-help , Azuma is bad.
As such, Azuma is bad.
hollow cove
You're just envious because my 2d wife only loves me and not you
winged depot
I don't use any of them in pvp
pastel jolt
Tell that to the folks over at #gameplay-help
pseudo copper
According to #gameplay-help, Kron gud in pvp
winged depot
pastel jolt
I agree
winged depot
facts
pseudo copper
Yeah, they said even Eugen better than Azuma
winged depot
hollow cove
Envy is ugly
floral wave
winged depot
who
vestal hearth
Envy is ugly
@royal vigil you gonna take that standing up?
pseudo copper
Envy is the cutest
neon bronze
spaghetti carbonara
hollow cove
Pasta pizza mandolino Berlusconi
neon bronze
Pasta pizza mandolino Berlusconi
speaking of italian food, do you have Aquila?
hollow cove
Ye
vestal hearth
man wants his IJN waifu fleet, I say let him
hollow cove
Italian fleet would be too meme on me
winged depot
how so
hollow cove
Am Italian