pvp

[neon bronze]

Attacker advantage is a thing, don't hesitate to use it

[rustic bridge]

Kms Plymouth musahi taihou algerie

yea a full kms fleet

on defens have i my best ships this is full kms

[next oxide]

noob here, recommended AA plane for PVP and where to get em?

[floral wave]

wyvern/sea hornet/pirate squad

opsi/opsi/core shop

honestly just run your best fighter in the fighter slot

[next oxide]

thank you 😄

[floral wave]

or a wyvern if the slot supports it

[trail temple]

2592+

[lusty hill]

How is it even possible to get that score?

[uncut agate]

lots of bonuses

[lusty hill]

Does timezone plays major part?

[sterile tinsel]

[candid sluice]

just be lucky or have lots of friends

[trail temple]

There's been Europeans who've gotten 2600+, Asians who have gotten 2600+ and Americans, so hard to say

[pastel jolt]

Asians can regularly pull in 2593-2596 with not much effort and rushing, it’s really not that hard

[pseudo copper]

Just don't sleep and timezones are not an issue

[lusty hill]

guess that makes sense

[neon bronze]

was it an +11?

[sterile tinsel]

MB yes..

Idk

[neon bronze]

[warm crow]

[neon bronze]

[candid sluice]

guys is yorktown 2 good in pvp???

[stable dawn]

she's UR so she has to be good. Shinano was good in pvp after all.

[warm crow]

wait till they give her only fighter and db slots

[deft escarp]

Just wait until we get her skills

[candid sluice]

whats wrong with db slots

[warm crow]

nothing but cvs without wyvern would be kinda sus in pvp (disclaimer: speculation, dunno her loadout/skills)

[velvet geode]

wait wtf you're in this server?

[deft escarp]

[velvet geode]

sick

[candid sluice]

triple tenrai cracked

[pastel jolt]

Triple Tenrai = Bye Frontline

[floral wave]

harbin smoke timing against yorktown

[pastel jolt]

Dear Yostar: why was there no Anchorage skin?

[lusty hill]

they don't give her skin cuz they already give her special aux

[pseudo copper]

Ancho skin

[floral wave]

sure intelligence chip must be costly but come on, some new clothes would be cool too

[neon bronze]

turns out you need 4 lost/overcapped exercises

[deft escarp]

Wait, we're getting Tenrai next maint in core shop?

:ch:

[neon bronze]

no

[deft escarp]

:Mutessex:

[candid sluice]

where did u get that idea from

[warm crow]

looks like they're adding season 4 in the protocore shop

[merry vale]

That's great if true.

[deft escarp]

I just saw one of my friends say that we're getting PR4 on protocore shop or something

Was also half asleep so I immediately assumed we'd also get Tenrai

[candid sluice]

prepare for tenrai spam

[deft escarp]

If Yorktown 2 is good in PvP ig

And only 2 of the 3 best CVs afaik use Tenrai anyway

[candid sluice]

shinano always has a flexible loadout

[trail temple]

It'll be interesting to see what her torp quantity and efficiency will be

[uncut agate]

essex girls are fighter heavy so far

[winged depot]

double pancake poggers

[fickle echo]

Flying pancake meta

[lusty hill]

I hope Yorktown 2 will powercreep NJ

[uncut agate]

https://tenor.com/view/pancakes-is-love-gif-25758363

[pastel sand]

oky thanks i don't know what 3 resets for t0 feelts are but thank you again ^^

[neon bronze]

Resetting is basically leaving the exercise to attempt another exercise

if you don't win/lose an exercise, you don't lose an attempt doing this

with resetting, you could retreat when your fleet is about to sink, then start attacking again in hopes you can sink the other fleet

[candid sluice]

carrier powercreeping a bb

[merry vale]

Who wouldn't want a Musashi like barrage coming from a carrier?

[floral wave]

make it happen at 8s after start of the fight and then every 5 seconds, kthx

[cinder wolf]

copity cope cope

[merry vale]

[deft escarp]

Inb4 her fighters are insanely strong to the point of actually being able to shoot down enemy planes making her basically the only CV that's viable

[valid oxide]

180% efficiency fighters when

And a fighter barrage with 100% proc

4 fighters

[merry vale]

Gotta give her a preload too.

[deft escarp]

Fighter/Fighter/TB

Or Fighter/TB/TB

For triple intercept

[ocean prairie]

What’s the current meta rn

Is duca still meta?

[merry vale]

Tl;Dr not really.

Best teams are in the pins.

[ocean prairie]

Yeah I found them

[pastel sand]

@neon bronze that is convenient thank you master of pvp

[empty mesa]

[winged depot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/1017198673073029121/Amagi_Spin2.gif

[merry vale]

[neon bronze]

[neon bronze]

rise and shine, gamers. get your free AotN by rushing today

[clear briar]

[candid sluice]

No I don’t think I will

[stable dawn]

sleeper gamemode

[trail temple]

Yeah, pass

[left wolf]

Aotn

[bronze hedge]

what is the best team in pvp now? still itallian aka mafia ?

[wicked surge]

Weeb

[pseudo copper]

Check Salty's doc in pins

[candid sluice]

[hybrid swan]

Helllooo

[pseudo copper]

[coral wren]

italian mafia? better ask to an italian like me

[royal beacon]

pineapple pizza.

[high lichen]

with ketchup

[coarse hearth]

hey guys, what are the best & versatile attack fleet in pvp right now ?
Just wanna set up a fleet without switching anyone,

Cant predict META fleet anymore, since too many UR added

[swift radish]

aquila preload + musashi + NJ + anchorage + shima + juneu in my opinion.

[uncut agate]

Check pins for salty's doc, pick any tier 0 fleet

[whole salmon]

Also keep in mind the gear

Certain fleets can only be at maximum effectiveness once you have the required enhancements

And the investment level differs between fleets

[coarse hearth]

i forgot to check pins , Thanks Guy

[whole salmon]

Out of the CVs, Aquila is the cheapest to build

For BBs then it is Musashi

So if you don’t have that good of gear or simply doesn’t want to invest too much into pvp then those style of fleets are optimal for you

Stuff like Shinano + Hiryuu combo is much more expensive to build compared to Aquila + 2 BBs for example

Especially when you can craft 457 in tech tree, you only need 1 for NJ while you run 356 or 410 kai for Musashi

[pastel jolt]

The cheapest fleet to build is probably

NJ/Musashi/Perseus

Perseus herself requires basically 0 gold plate investment as her only role is to reveal and carry WNT

NJ actually uses the 406 mk4 when paired with a purple gun Musashi which cuts down 240 gold plates investment

Additionally with the vanguard, Anchorage/Juneau also require basically 0 investment to be good in PVP as their utility triumphs over all other options

[untold crater]

Musashi NJ anchorage Shimakaze in your fleet si pretty much the essential

[trail temple]

[untold crater]

3rd backline can work anything, Shinano, Hiryuu, Aquila, VG

For 3rd VG most people use Juneau for the heal

[coarse hearth]

Im going with NJ, musashi,shinano , anchor, shima ,juneau
but why Juneau prefer gyro here BTW ?

[untold crater]

Speed

Personally i use Boiler + Pearl

With her retro pearl seems to be much better since it's not an instant 35% heal and it's separate

Gyro or Boiler it's just whatever works best for you, if she's dying too soon, use Boiler for HP, if too late, use Gyro so she has less HP and dies earlier

[coarse hearth]

just realize juneau kai skill, didnt kill her when her skill proc
No wonder why people start use pearl on her
So using eagle damage control will be useless for juneau kai right?
BTW, i already use pearl on shima, so use 2 boiler right?

[untold crater]

Not "useless" it will proc after she dies the 2nd time

But there are ships that prefer manjuu, like anchorage or NJ

[neon bronze]

use teatorps + black torp aux for shima

i use pearl on shima

if you equip pearl on juneau, then a rainbow torp aux for the otheraux on shima

generally speaking, manjuu anchorage is usually the way tk go for most pvpers

[untold crater]

My shima gears

[zenith lantern]

Manjuu is better on NJ these days

[neon bronze]

but some top-ranking players use manjuu nj

manjuu ancho rn is not as prevalent due to the variety of meta fleets these days

Back in the days of mafia, manjuu ancho was the preferred choice, and it stuck

[untold crater]

Mostly NJ, always has been mostly NJ, still a few ok anchorage though

[neon bronze]

i use manjuu ancho solely bcs i missed NJ :omegasadge:

[coarse hearth]

Black torp only work on first torp launch right
does parallel teatorp good on pvp now?

[untold crater]

First only yes, and the goal of parallel is to kill enemy backliner

[neon bronze]

Yes, and yes. Quad/quint Mag torps too pepega

can't snipe shit when all yoyr torps go in a fan shape

[untold crater]

Quint and quad mag is for Frontline killing

[neon bronze]

generally speaking, @untold crater

teatorps are preferred over every other torp gear in pvp right?

[floral wave]

frontline killing too pepega :pausechamp:

no, not in general

youre not gonna equip every ship capable of carrying torps with teatorps

[untold crater]

A few baggers prefer quint/quad mags over them, especially when devs changed the Torp AI aim to target enemies in range, which makes the toros fire in a diagonal line, but I still prefer tea torps

[zenith lantern]

When teatorps hit they all tend to hit the same target, it’s better because Juneau heals it less effectively.

[untold crater]

Rather doesn't heal at all

[zenith lantern]

Yeah if they are Shima torps that ship is just dead

Unless Musashi

[untold crater]

Even sashi

[neon bronze]

brb bringing back rainbow torp aux on my shima

[lusty hill]

is there any reason why juneau prefer gyro over boiler?

[untold crater]

Dying too late

Healing not enough ships

So you want her to die earlier

She is a timing ship

[lusty hill]

I see

[candid sluice]

juneau equips is more personal preference

and fleet dependent

[pastel jolt]

General rule: Juneau oathed -> Gyro
Not oathed -> Boiler

Also, quint mag torpedo on Shimakaze also pretty good in current meta as you basically guarantee a frontline wipe together with Musashi

[winged depot]

@river marsh can I ask for 4 exercises, as long as its this set its fine ty

[neon bronze]

collusion...

[merry vale]

[winged depot]

nvm someone moved

[nimble python]

If anyone could share their opinions about this I’d be grateful

[floral wave]

kms to trashcan

[untold crater]

Take the germans out, can improve that fleet substantially

[floral wave]

well maybe fdg works i triple bb

in*

agir doesnt tho

[untold crater]

Less than VG

[stable dawn]

Agir is too slow to be useful

[untold crater]

Agir literally just a wasted slot

Deterrent really

[floral wave]

well yeah, no idea if mans got vg

[stable dawn]

I would run vanguard over FdG

since she buffs other BBs and has more consistent damage

[nimble python]

Okay what else?

[stable dawn]

show gear

[floral wave]

shimakaze?

[untold crater]

Shimakaze

[nimble python]

Okay

[untold crater]

Over agir

[sand prism]

Use dd gun

[nimble python]

Btw I’ve got 2 more pics that are being sent

[floral wave]

dd gun, manjuu out to either ancho or nj

[untold crater]

Anchorage or NJ want manjuu more than juneau

[floral wave]

sexy bofors aa

purple augment if possible

[nimble python]

Which?

[floral wave]

crossbow preferably

since you run one cl

also

never use lance

for anything

its just bad

[nimble python]

Alright

[floral wave]

and agir should be out anyway

[stable dawn]

For Triple BB, I'd run something like this:

if you don't have the budget, it'd look more like this:

[nimble python]

So Agir is only good for PvE

[stable dawn]

yeah, in pvp torps and preload airstrikes obliterate her

[untold crater]

All CB/CA are bad in pvp

Anchorage is the only exception due to her smokescreen

[stable dawn]

and shield

[untold crater]

Right

[stable dawn]

[untold crater]

Blue skill

[stable dawn]

you should probably 125 your anchorage

[stable dawn]

oof that torp

[nimble python]

I’ve got a shimakaze thats 125

[floral wave]

torp fumo hazemeyer out

[stable dawn]

the reason I use the purple torp in my loadouts is to time the smokescreen

[nimble python]

For vanguard can I use a champagne gun?

[floral wave]

you dont really want to use triples

[stable dawn]

champy gun is too slow

I purposely staggered all the shots so that none of the BBs block each other's timings

[nimble python]

What other alternatives?

[stable dawn]

that's why there aren't 2 457s

honestly, you could run 2 457s, it'd still work

but it won't be 100% optimized

[nimble python]

Yeah I guessed as much

[stable dawn]

the mk4 is pretty easy to get in the gear lab though

[nimble python]

Well thanks for everything all of you

[stable dawn]

[uncut agate]

Harbin > Juneau for triple BB

[neon bronze]

PvP season ends tomorrow, right?

[candid sluice]

yes

[static tartan]

how is flapjack vs sea hornet on hiryuu?

[mystic salmon]

When Juneau dies in PvP and uses skill to live, will this proc pearl tears?

[floral wave]

no

[neon bronze]

iirc, with retro, you can make her "die" twice

first death procs her martyr skill
second procs any item skill that procs on death e.g. pearl

[stable dawn]

I believe that was patched

[warm crow]

its slower so you cant bait AA. It will fly alongside/behind the wyverns so all your planes will enter the enemy AA circle at the same time and get shot at

[static tartan]

okay, sticking with sea hornet then

[winged depot]

There are those who tested it, its so far good rn. no one can shoot it since its almost 2x the hp of sea hornet

[merry vale]

That sounds promising.

That sounds like a lot of extra crash damage.

[stable dawn]

It's actually super strong because it can survive the new UR AA guns while Sea Hornets just disappear before they can crash

[merry vale]

I might make one now.

[merry vale]

Am I missing something? I'll trust you on the 2x hp business, but this doesn't read like 2x hp.

I'm testing myself now either way lol.

[stable dawn]

it's a bigger difference at +13

and you need the aviation fuel to stack health

[merry vale]

Avi fuel is covered, but that makes sense. So I'll bring it to +13. I'm really interested in the crash damage now.

Thanks.

[stable dawn]

[merry vale]

Good to know it scales like that.

[winged depot]

I did say almost

[merry vale]

Yeah that's fair. I'm okay with that. I just wasn't aware it scaled with level like that.

So at +10 it read kinda weird.

[winged depot]

Yeah the one I looked at was at +13

[merry vale]

Decent.

It sounds worth using.

[candid sluice]

flapjack supremacy

[neon bronze]

Pancakes

Worth making one for Hiryuu, Aquila and/or Chise.

Now new pvp plebs won't craft Sea Horny. 😔

[lusty hill]

so flying pancakes only worth using when +13

[candid sluice]

Why wouldn’t u +13 your equips anyway

[winged depot]

Burger weapon when

[candid sluice]

[merry vale]

[uncut agate]

lexington

[untold crater]

Amagae

Kashino gatekeeping top 5 and top 10

[winged depot]

this is the conclusion that kashino is op

[neon bronze]

Rise and shine, gamers! Get your free AotN by rushing until the last 2 days!

[stable dawn]

[pastel jolt]

Hi, do you have any pvp attempts left? lel

[late heath]

Kashino supremacy

[pastel jolt]

I would like to request an update to this: the new link is cutt.ly/MutsukiCoin

[steel coral]

https://cutt.ly/MutsukiCoin

[terse mural]

Could someone help me put together a decent pvp fleet?

[floral wave]

theres a sheet in pins with current meta fleets and has budget tab aswell

[terse mural]

Aight

[floral wave]

but you can post dock here

and someone will surely help

[neon bronze]

post your entire dock, preferably sort by SR and UR ships only

exception that's good for PvP is Juneau.

[floral wave]

hiryuu bad

:pausechamp:

[untold crater]

show dock

[terse mural]

Haven’t played that long so not much to go off of

[untold crater]

missed shinano rerun?

[neon bronze]

Entire SR & UR dock

[terse mural]

Even the underleveled ones?

[untold crater]

yes

[untold crater]

Musashi/Unicorn/Warspite/Anchorage/Yukikaze/Juneau

[neon bronze]

Monarch (flag) - Musashi - Hiryuu Retrofit (get her)
Yukikaze - Yuudachi Retrofit - Helena

For the meantime. NJ rerun is the next UR rerun, so go 2 BB + Hiryuu once you got her.

[terse mural]

Alright, I’m working on hiryuu atm so monarch/musashi/uni?

[neon bronze]

Can work, too

[terse mural]

I mean in the meantime while I level up hiryuu since Uni with wyvern should be decent?

[neon bronze]

yep

[terse mural]

Alright thanks, I’ll get to levelling

[floral wave]

id rather use yukanas fleet honestly

[untold crater]

warspite is free and is infinitely better than monarch

but if you've done exam alr and chose an SSR from there; enty is still better than monarch

[terse mural]

Yeah I chose sandy from the exam I didn’t pick her up from medal shop sadly. But I’m working on unlocking anchorage. The new event should get me there.

[floral wave]

at least one person in this discord with correct priorities

[terse mural]

Should I start levelling Juneau aswell?

[untold crater]

yes

whoever the new UR was; it'll probably also be pretty good for your fleet

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

[terse mural]

Yeah hopefully I pull her since I don’t have 400 cubes for pity 💀

[pseudo copper]

It was Langley II

[candid sluice]

could we get this pinned please

[empty mesa]

Just ping SilentBro.

[trail temple]

Late but, Avrora got a 2600

Lowest score 2589

[neon bronze]

@jolly lichen mind pinning this here?

new iteration of season archives

Ty

[pastel jolt]

Thank you, Silent!

[cinder wolf]

very cool

[cold vessel]

What exactly are the damage numbers that are being shown when a projectile hits an enemy in PvP? For example, I often have a torpedo hit an enemy ship for 2-4k damage but it only takes off a tiny amount of health. Is the value shown before reductions or something like that?

[untold crater]

A quick shortcut so u don't have to use format is lv125 ship has exactly *2.5 the normal HP

[cold vessel]

Ah, okay. Thanks a lot

[mighty quarry]

whos better for pvp, yuudachi retro or ayanami?

[untold crater]

Different roles, but Ayanami seems better

[mighty quarry]

[pastel jolt]

Yukikaze is the best

[mighty quarry]

my pvp fleet is so trash without shima and NJ

[untold crater]

Can use Musashi/Shinano/Hiryuu until NJ rerun

Or this next UR might be good in pvp who knows

[mighty quarry]

i have been using musashi/vanguard/fdg

which would be better?

[untold crater]

Honestly give Musashi/VG/Shinano a try

I'm not a fan of hiryuu so if you use Musashi/VG/Shinano/Anchorage/Yuki/Juneau it might be best for you

[mighty quarry]

yukikaze?

[untold crater]

Yeah

[mighty quarry]

i have been trying to get admiral 1 star to no avail

musashi/fdg/vanguard/ancho/ayanami/agir

[untold crater]

her blue skill can make her very hard to kill; and yellow skill gives a nice 8% DR to backline and 10% heal for the first ship below 20% hp

[untold crater]

agir is bad in pvp

[mighty quarry]

oh

i thought lots of raw stats would be good

i was using seattle before agir

[untold crater]

seattle is much better

[mighty quarry]

[untold crater]

but youre better off using juneau

[mighty quarry]

oh

guess i'll level her up then

[trail temple]

Agir is heavy armour, that gets shat on by torps

Historically light armoured vanguards are better

[pastel jolt]

Yukana recommending the Tier 0 fleet Musashi Weeb... Is this real?

[untold crater]

Best thing he can make

Gives u an idea of how bad he has it

[neon bronze]

main hurdle of a good 2 CV fleet is the sheer amount of gold plane plates needed

[pseudo copper]

I use t-1 fleet, Percy, Chise, Aquila

[steel coral]

tEX sodak

[neon bronze]

based

beats most of the opposing fleet at the beginning

if that's def fleet, only hope is 2 bb + preload cv or the same fleet

[floral wave]

or triple bb

[neon bronze]

that's if they and/or your frontlines win frontline fight, which is doable

[floral wave]

as triple bb you should never lose frontline fight against triple carrier

[neon bronze]

[sour oasis]

"Should"

🎲

[floral wave]

barely any rng in this case

[sour oasis]

Still not impossible. The defender vanguard can get lucky and stay alive (perhaps nuking one of your BBs in the opening volley) maybe even beat your vanguard (🎰 🎰 🎰). Then it turns into a countdown over "will the CV lose stealth and have enough to Lucky E or Final Counter and force your BB to waste their stored return fire.
I agree it's unlikely if you've built your attack squad well, but not impossible if you turn your head away for 42s.

[floral wave]

no

thats still impossible

just dont afk the pvp

[sour oasis]

[floral wave]

and defender vanguard will not win in the case its triple cv

against triple bb

unless you use shit gear but thats not anyones fault

[sour oasis]

"Just don't afk"

[floral wave]

yeah

[steel coral]

Triple preload and nano+akaga have a chance

[floral wave]

eh, i dont really see triple preload doing that

nano + akaga sure, fair point

[candid sluice]

people watch their pvp fights?

[sour oasis]

I think Enterprise and Hiryuu play the slow game better; preload makes the CV lose stealth faster. It depends on the vanguard versus vanguard.

But again, this assumes players don't afk

[floral wave]

man stopped in 1950s

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/grandma-sari-gif-14510159

[neon bronze]

using preload cv reveals opponent cvs, with the double edged sword of having your preload cv be revealed.

which you and opponent bbs can then target

[floral wave]

case was triple bb vs triple cv

[neon bronze]

:en:

[sour oasis]

Well in the case of 3 BB vs 3 CV (defense), 3 stealthy CV can rain pain a bit longer, and if vanguard double-KO each other, get potentially two more "free" strikes.
One way or another, if your vanguard dies, you should see it and reset.

[floral wave]

you miss the part where all bbs shoot vanguard

[neon bronze]

that is very big doubt

[floral wave]

hows that gonna make cv vang 0:0 or win

[neon bronze]

because 3 bbs will smack the shit out of the opponent frontline and win

[whole salmon]

The power of

Auxiliary gun

And not be a sitting duck

[floral wave]

triple 137 + musashi with vang as only valid targets

surely big chance of both vangs dying at the same time

[neon bronze]

[steel coral]

What are akaga's timers again?

Like 14s

[floral wave]

yeah akaga seems doable

[steel coral]

That's really only way I see triple cv working

[floral wave]

akaga impero :pausechamp:

[sour oasis]

Well, anecdotal tale: last set, defender had an IJN/USA defense. Nuked one of my BB in the first 10s then survived long enough for vanguards to double-KO. The CVs all had stealth so my BB were holding their shots. Once stealth was gone, my 2 BB killed two CV, but the remaining one was under Lucky E. A 2nd Lucky E and my BB were almost dead. If I was AFK, I'd have lost.

[neon bronze]

sexybofors and the new UR AA gun

[floral wave]

why even consider afking

[whole salmon]

If your frontline goes down after 10 sec then you already have skill issue

[neon bronze]

afking in pvp exercises is just begging to lose if you use a subpar fleet

[sour oasis]

Frontline lasted a minute. Backline couldn't last 10s.

[whole salmon]

Then you also have skill issue

[floral wave]

well thats instant reset

why waste time

[whole salmon]

Even more skill issue than before

Since you said 1 CV is Enterprisem

The fastest the other 2 CV can be are preloaders

If your backline loses to preloaders

[sour oasis]

Honestly, just curious how badly things could go on what I thought was a subpar defense.

[whole salmon]

You already have a massive issue there

What’s sub par is your own fleet

[sour oasis]

Nope, no preload on defense.

[whole salmon]

Then what launches at 10 sec?

You lost to Akaga?

[sour oasis]

NJ Musashi Vanguard

[whole salmon]

This is massive copium

[neon bronze]

:kekw:

[sour oasis]

I think the defense was Shinano, Enterprise, and I wanna jokingly say Independence. (Ticonderoga?)

[neon bronze]

[whole salmon]

Send gear on your NJ and Musashi

I wanna see how funny this can get

[floral wave]

how can you manage to butcher nj sushi vang

to lose to nano enty whatever cv

[whole salmon]

[floral wave]

while having attacker advantage too

[stable dawn]

butcher? You mean bucherlord

[floral wave]

MAN STOP

why ruin my season

wtff

[sour oasis]

That was my curiosity.

[floral wave]

no but seriously

your gear must be a mess

[sour oasis]

I didn't think it was possible to lose. If I was AFK I probably would have scratched my head wondering how

[whole salmon]

I can already smell the +10 gear, triple white shell and no WNT

[floral wave]

or vanguard was triple bulin

idk

[floral wave]

you mean 460 + double shell, mk7 + double shell

[sour oasis]

It's not THAT bad

[untold crater]

Not that blue gun

[floral wave]

thats one big mystery then

[sour oasis]

I am going to believe it was skill issue or bad RNG.

[floral wave]

also auxiliary guns for pvp

137s

[sour oasis]

Either way, stuff like this means I must remain humble that sometimes these things happen. 🍀

[sour oasis]

Aren't those OK?

Oh wait, they're the suicide boat guns

[floral wave]

nah theyre pretty meh on nj and straight bad on sushi

[sour oasis]

PvP needs high RoF.

[floral wave]

the new "dd" gun in eagle union gear lab

[whole salmon]

Ahh shit what is that gun

At least use this one smh

[floral wave]

rof means nothing if you have no range to shoot

[whole salmon]

Also Bofors Musashi

[merry vale]

[whole salmon]

If you crafted all these stuff then at least craft a Staag as well

[candid sluice]

[whole salmon]

Like legit

What’s going on

[steel coral]

Having 8 extra seconds for your ancho to get to the enemy backline and reveal the CVs is so much more important than keeping NJ alive to maybe get an extra volley

[neon bronze]

AA is valued a lot against 3 CV

[whole salmon]

Also yeah that aux gun

[merry vale]

That's what i was thinking too.

[whole salmon]

Smh

[merry vale]

Anchorage holding it seems much more important.

[whole salmon]

At that point you might as well use Harbin gun

[floral wave]

harbin still has the range

[candid sluice]

jsut check the pins

[sour oasis]

In hindsight, yeah if I had Anchorage with repair, it would have beat out their VG to reveal CV. But I saw mishmash defense and said "this will probably be easy".

[whole salmon]

Send frontline gear as well

[sour oasis]

Ah, new set is up.

[neon bronze]

Mistakes a newbie makes. Eventually you don't make 'em anymore

Eventually, you'll git gud.

[stable dawn]

rich coming from you

[candid sluice]

[merry vale]

[neon bronze]

can't give (probably misleading) advice in peace

lmao

[candid sluice]

its better to stay silent than to give faulty advice

[whole salmon]

There’s 3 stages

To pvp

[untold crater]

No it's better to give fault advice than to stay silent

[whole salmon]

• Not giving a crap about the gamemode

• Invested but has gear and ship issue

• Chad

[stable dawn]

but what if you have all three?

[floral wave]

wheres overcap skill issue

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

[winged depot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1001818171780632706/1014823253790965800/nimiboom.gif

[sour oasis]

No I won't. I'm a rusher.

[floral wave]

[sour oasis]

Here is my Juneau that I run behind Anchorage. She dies a little faster in the aft position for whatever bias reasons.

The only change I've made to her since the Kizuna collab was +13'd her AA, crossbow, and retrofit. In that order.

[neon bronze]

Boiler/Gyro and Pearl's Tears for her

[whole salmon]

Wait

Why +13 that AA gun

[neon bronze]

nyooom

Sexybofors/UR AA gun is better on her

[sour oasis]

why +13 any AA gun

[warm crow]

range

[neon bronze]

She's good at Anti-AA, too

[sour oasis]

"Anti AA"?

[whole salmon]

There’s only 2 AA gun that is worth +13-ing

And all of which have to do with pvp

Pve doesn’t need +13

But pvp still do

That’s the Sextuple and the Staag

With the third being rainbow AA but I did say “worth” and it might not be worth the plates

[sour oasis]

I thought only sexbofors was the only one. Does +13 STAAG give extra hit?

[whole salmon]

But it is still an upgrade

[whole salmon]

Mbruh you do realize +13 gives extra damage

[valid oxide]

That's called running alot of IJN ships

[neon bronze]

Use STAAG on the backline BBs forgot if it was either the HIT or FP

[whole salmon]

And damage is damage

[sour oasis]

Again, sexbofors.

[whole salmon]

You know the reason you run Staag is to average out the cd of the Sextuple

While also reinforcing backline

[sour oasis]

If damage is damage, what about +13-ing the new Prototype Quadruple 30mm AA Gun Mount

[whole salmon]

Only worth it on Shima

The rainbow one

[floral wave]

why would you ever use

the worse gun

[whole salmon]

You can make one for Ancho as well

[sour oasis]

I thought STAAG was just hit-%, sextuple has superior CD

[whole salmon]

The long range mechanic is bugged

[floral wave]

+13 quadruple will still be worse than +13 staag

[whole salmon]

Sextuple doesn’t have faster cd

Sextuple is so much slower than Staag

Pls don’t dig your grave in this matter

[sour oasis]

I'm old and settled in my ways. Be thankful I stopped using Belfast.

Is AA range important at all in PvP?

[winged depot]

[coral wren]

helpw

[floral wave]

smh whats wrong with belfast

[floral wave]

triple smoke op

[coral wren]

I cant make my ship work

[whole salmon]

Sextuple is slow, very slow

Which is why Staag is needed to average out the cd

Luckily backliners all run it so normally it isn’t an issue

[candid sluice]

speaking of aa has anyone tested the new backline aa mechanics

[whole salmon]

But 1 BB 2 CV comp may have Ancho’s AA be switched to Rainbow instead

While keeping the Sextuple on Juneau

In that case you would have 1 Sextuple, 2 rainbows and 1 Staag

It should average the cd enough

[neon bronze]

since pink sugar here

[whole salmon]

While the rest comes from the 3 +13 Wyverns that you will be running

[whole salmon]

The mechanic feels off

As in the timing of when it procs

[candid sluice]

bro just screenshot

[whole salmon]

Those AA gun have long af cd so if it fires on a misproc then it is kinda shit

I have seen when like Hiryuu’s barrage can bait it firing

Its damage is good but sometimes it might be on cd when planes arrive

Due to it misfiring

[candid sluice]

does it fire separately then vg aa

[whole salmon]

It lacks hit stat and overall inconsistencies made me avoid it

[whole salmon]

Also like

You have been saving plates for AA for 2 years now

[sour oasis]

Pay them proper wages
Be more specific.

[whole salmon]

You should have enough to do 3 rainbows if you wanted to

[sour oasis]

Just don't forget to save enough gold for UR event coming up

[neon bronze]

is ok?

[coral wren]

nah I was kidding

[sour oasis]

||It's anew UR right?||

[coral wren]

but THEY DONT WORK

[floral wave]

backline aux reeeeeeee

[coral wren]

and I pay them 4$ monthly

[whole salmon]

Ahh the FP AA gun

Probably the worst gold AA gun in the game

If you don’t count the pepega long range mechanic

[neon bronze]

[whole salmon]

It works in pve because pve doesn’t care about AA

So you see people running it in Meta for extra fp stat on BBs

[neon bronze]

do I use STAAG on vanguard

[whole salmon]

For pvp then enemy CVs will shred it to pieces

[floral wave]

yes

[neon bronze]

kk

[whole salmon]

BBs: Staag
Juneau: Sextuple
Shima: Rainbow > Staag
Ancho: Sextuple > Rainbow

[floral wave]

or i guess you could even UR or sexybofors if you eanted to

wanted*

[neon bronze]

third fleet

[whole salmon]

If you run any other ship aside from Juneau

Like a Harbin, Noshiro or Duca

Then it depends but they either run Sextuple or Rainbow

[floral wave]

this sushi aux gun

triggers me

[neon bronze]

then what's the replacement

[whole salmon]

Switch Beaver to backline, give Ancho Cosmic Kicks

[floral wave]

137

[whole salmon]

Switch Pearl over to Shima

Give Juneau Boiler

Remove Oxygen

[floral wave]

one day yukana tells him to do that

[whole salmon]

Change Juneau main gun and torp but that’s on lower priority

[floral wave]

the other you tell him to swap back

[neon bronze]

Is this change specifically for Meeb, or is consistent across all my fleets?

[floral wave]

[whole salmon]

For meeb

Since you want to boost frontline survivability

That’s the essence of the stall comp

[neon bronze]

oh i forgot me running beaver on sushi (meeb)

[whole salmon]

If you have Shinano or 2 CVs, take frontline survivability over frontline damage

If it is a 2 BB 1 CV comp or 3 BB comp then you can go for frontline damage

Like on Musashi NJ Aquila

[whole salmon]

Also is your Ancho oathed

[neon bronze]

Nope, f2pain

[whole salmon]

Then try this torpedo instead

[neon bronze]

[floral wave]

are the mag ones fine with oath?

[neon bronze]

This, or the french one?

[whole salmon]

Which French one

[whole salmon]

If yours are at 200 affinity, you can even run Gold Quad Mag to counter 2 CV comps

Without it then you will be cutting quite close on the cd

Ofc with Musashi out now, 2 CV comps are a bit more uncommon

There’s always the advantage of Ancho’s torp

If her torp are generally geared to counter CVs, Musashi will shred her

[neon bronze]

For clarification, is it the DD gun?

[floral wave]

its in dd gun section

[whole salmon]

If her torp are geared to counter Musashi, CVs will shred her

[floral wave]

but dds cant equip it

[whole salmon]

It just depends on which comp you run into more often

[floral wave]

yes that one

[neon bronze]

For vanguard and/or sushi?

[whole salmon]

That one works ig

On Musashi it does work

For frontline then perhaps the kms one for Juneau

[floral wave]

only bbs can equip this one anyway

[neon bronze]

For both in pvp, okay.

[floral wave]

i mean you dont even have to switch it for pve

unless w14 farming or maxing out fp for meta fight

[merry vale]

That firing angle though.

https://i.imgur.com/HmVTa3g.png

[uncut agate]

18×6 - 3.2s rld time vs 25×4 - 3.1s rld time

[trail temple]

You'll need to consider the coefficients too

[uncut agate]

110/75/40 vs 110/90/70

[trail temple]

Wrong coefficient

[stable dawn]

huh looks like twin 137mm is best in slot now

it beats both rainbow gun and harbin gun

[worn oasis]

:D

I went from like 3k to this

[whole salmon]

Not necessarily

In terms of stats, it is still below Plymouth, that’s a big factor since those stats can help boost Musashi’s barrage’s damage

As for against Harbin, Harbin gun has quicker reload and has more damage against Light armor, aka against Shima and Juneau

Harbin gun is also a tiny little bit better against Medium as well aka Ancho

[whole salmon]

So when you say Twin 137 is “better”

Which aspect do you mean?

[whole salmon]

We don’t really use the Plymouth gun for the firing angle but the 65 FP

[stable dawn]

360 degree firing angle

which means it can SPIN

in all seriousness though, I think the AP ammo type might be worth it over Harbin gun's normal type

since it allows it to penetrate more targets

[empty mesa]

Guys, new Hellcat better than Pancake or not?

[untold crater]

https://media.tenor.com/HSfd3JpHn_YAAAAM/hellcat.gif

I prefer it

I don't like pancake taste, just me tho

[winged depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/772911331917430824.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[floral wave]

yukana prefers cats to pancakes

[untold crater]

What can I do with a pancake that i can't do with a cat

[floral wave]

disgusting

[empty mesa]

Too much playing with Chinese I guess.

[neon bronze]

🍿

[stable dawn]

[fickle echo]

Imagine if it gets powercrept after someone just got it +13

[empty mesa]

Someone

[fickle echo]

[empty mesa]

Pretty sure Dr.Aoste already did.

[fickle echo]

Very cool

[pastel jolt]

That's very cool, Dr. Aoste!

[vestal hearth]

is AD Skyraider BiS for Aquila?

[pseudo copper]

Yes, it's a sexy plane so obv is best

[vestal hearth]

thanks hun

[untold crater]

Nomicunny uoh 😭

[neon bronze]

least insane Amagi pvper

[whole salmon]

Ofc it can pen but only up to 2 targets, assuming you can even reach the second target with that limited range. And also being a second slower ofc means that it doesn’t allow for much room in error if you miss

In practice it doesn’t matter as much between the two but it isn’t outperforming Harbin or Plymouth gun in its respective position

At most it is equal to Harbin gun and still below Plymouth gun

[candid sluice]

[stable dawn]

Now the real question is if ply gun is just for FP stats, is it even worth enhancing beyond +10?

[vestal hearth]

it has the secondary use as main gun for Plymouth, low priority imo

[stable dawn]

unenhanced ply gun new meta

[whole salmon]

Priority of +13 aux guns are low to begin with

But it does have its usage of when you lose frontline fight

Tbh, not necessary

But you could +13 it so you can switch it to another CL in the future

[vestal hearth]

ok but if you're not +13ing your PVP gear are you even playing the game right?

[whole salmon]

I +13 the KMS tech tree gun for NJ back in the day but didn’t really see much of a difference

I switched that gun over to Juneau later

[whole salmon]

+13 is needed yes but there is a priority order

Otherwise you are like me

With +13 Swordfish, +13 Goldburn

+13 Hit booster from Hololive

And never using them in practice

[stable dawn]

theorycrafting

[whole salmon]

Tho yeah save your plates

2 new planes are coming put

Could change certain things so might as well prepare beforehand incase of major meta shifts

I still have +13 MK7 that isn’t used in pvp anymore but that investment doesn’t hurt as much

[stable dawn]

too late

[pseudo copper]

I am working on +13 3rd for my future NJ retro to get CL secondaries

[chilly fog]

Just asking though,how many rainbow gear you guys get now??
I so burnt out from my bad luck drop and lazy for Abyssal in OPS. Right now the above gear gonna reach one year for me like all my previous one.

[floral wave]

just grind until you get it and dont be lazy

cant blame luck if youre not doing all bosses

[stable dawn]

do all your coords

[floral wave]

also the only rainbow gear that was a must and obtainable only from opsi was wyvern

until recently

[lusty hill]

No 2

[trail temple]

Damn, Kenny number 1

[neon bronze]

rip 3 BB fleets

[thorn obsidian]

Random pvp fleets(I can’t remember from when)

[pseudo copper]

@stoic moon

[thorn obsidian]

You wouldn’t happen to know who owns that Ancho

[winged depot]

[pseudo copper]

I do, some asshole called Deathkt

Hate that fellow

[thorn obsidian]

[pseudo copper]

@thorn obsidian

[uncut agate]

fyi from today's maintenance patch notes

[thorn obsidian]

i like seeing nicknames

i just dont like.. some nicknames

[pseudo copper]

I associate with Ancho

[thorn obsidian]

so instead of a way to fix the problem, theyre jsut giving a 'turn a blind eye' feature

[floral wave]

except theres no problem

[pastel jolt]

Let's play Jeopardy! Who's Kenny in this screenshot?

[pastel jolt]

Something he couldn't ever get for EoS?

[trail temple]

Savage bro

[pseudo copper]

They didn't censor the word in game, anything censored can't be used so no issue here

[candid sluice]

[trail temple]

That's probably the best solution to the "problem"

I must be having memory issues because I swear that feature was already there

[floral wave]

it was in options

now you get the button right there i guess

so you can freely switch while seeing anchorage name starting with r

[trail temple]

I'm not going senile then

Well, I might, but not over that

[valid oxide]

New ships gonna do anything to PvP or nah

[trail temple]

We'll see when they come out

[candid sluice]

uss carrier fleet new meta

[valid oxide]

I mean, it's 2 extra f6f crashes per carrier

[steel coral]

PoW/NJ/YT2

[empty mesa]

No SoDak?

[steel coral]

don't wanna make it too unfair for others

[trail temple]

Dunno bro, that looks pretty OP to me

[unreal leaf]

so hows the meta in pvp with yorktown 2

those skills look so op

[uncut agate]

Nothing's changed for now

[unreal leaf]

hmm

[untold crater]

She has been out for

One hour

[unreal leaf]

btw is 3 CV viable in pvp?

[neon bronze]

Yorktown and Hornet II probably introduces even more cancerous stall fleets. Specifically on the defensive side, especially against baggers

[untold crater]

No, any fleet that doesn't have NJ and Musashi is worse than a fleet with them

[unreal leaf]

sadge

hope I wont be in disadvantage without NJ

in this meta

[untold crater]

You'll be fine, just won't have the perfect fleet

Attacker advantage and resetting will get you through pretty much any fleet

[unreal leaf]

also hope new UR bomber will help me :D

as I have only 1 wyvern

[neon bronze]

Most fleets only need one Wyvern and Tenrai, with one of the exceptions being Hiryuu + Shinano + BB

[unreal leaf]

thats what I am aiming for

[neon bronze]

2 BB 1 CV is mostly enough. Attacker advantage does the rest

[unreal leaf]

can't do any better fleet without italians and NJ

but got Shinano and Musashi

so thats the best fleet I can aim for i guess

[neon bronze]

Musashi - NJ - Aquila - Anchorage - Shimakaze - Juneau/Harbin

[unreal leaf]

can't do this :D

[neon bronze]

What ships do you lack there?

[unreal leaf]

i said

[neon bronze]

oh i just read

[unreal leaf]

i started on Shinano event

and got Shinano and Musashi

other ships are unavailable for me

[neon bronze]

I see. Got Vanguard?

Hmm... Warspite retrofit does fine.

[unreal leaf]

nope, vanguard got released before shinano

warspite does bad for me

[neon bronze]

Ah, so you started on the rerun

[unreal leaf]

i am currently doing unicorn, musashi, independance and it works the best for me

[unreal leaf]

yep

[neon bronze]

Did you retrofit Warspite, at least?

[unreal leaf]

going for Hiryuu 120

i did

my first 120 lvl

[neon bronze]

Musashi - Warspite - Unicorn - Anchorage - Suzutsuki - Juneau

[unreal leaf]

thats my fleet, except independence instead warspite

or i am using wrong gun on warspite

[neon bronze]

The idea for this fleet is to have Unicorn reveal any backline CVs with her preload, which Warspite and Musashi can then smack

[neon bronze]

Use the 457mm, or the gun used to craft it in Gear Lab for Warspite.

[unreal leaf]

which gun

[neon bronze]

Either one of these guns on the bottom row

[unreal leaf]

oh shitt

lots of resources

i would rather go for second wyvern instead this gun

and do hiryuu, shinano, musashi

:D

[neon bronze]

At least Musashi's a bit better, no need for any fancy materials.

[unreal leaf]

yep

Musashi mvp

also maybe new UR bomber will be op

waiting for reviews

[neon bronze]

[unreal leaf]

will make life much easier

whats the best source of UR plans for gear lab?

shops and abyssals lvl 4-6 ?

and monthly boss

[candid sluice]

Pretty much

[untold crater]

just clear everything and do c6

[torpid shuttle]

Ayo

hornet 2

USS hiryuu

[merry vale]

[merry vale]

https://i.imgur.com/zZeIQGN.png

8 seconds invuln vs 15, but she re-hides and triggers at 30%.

[steel coral]

can equip manjuu

[winged depot]

something test worthy imo

[merry vale]

The issue i can see is to get the most benefit you have to replace 2 backline.

Unless she's just insanely stronger than hiryuu and you make a 1 for 1 trade.

That comes down to how strong york2 is vs shinano in pvp.

[winged depot]

might as well test both

[merry vale]

Yeah for sure.

York 2 seems like she'll just constantly be dumping planes into the backline, she might just be a way more aggressive choice that isn't Aquila.

And hornet2 if she has the right damage output might just make up for the rest.

Maybe enty will be meta relevant again with the damage amping.

[winged depot]

doubt

[valid oxide]

York2 gives yorktowns and essexes 2 extra planes per airstrike

[unreal leaf]

anyone can advice gear for suzutsuki on pvp?

same as this should be good?

[valid oxide]

Suzutsuki is MGM+1 with okish efficiency on main gun, she might wanr twin 114 or something fairly fast that still has decent damage

[unreal leaf]

got twin114

what bout aux?

pearl tears and ?

[crude mortar]

2023 pvp hornet vs the world

[merry vale]

I'm a believer already, just gotta see how it plays out in practice though.

[valid oxide]

Hornetwo hiryuu and enty to harass PvP nerds

[whole salmon]

Hornet 2 is worth testing

Even if I don’t see her replacing Hiryuu, it is still worth the test

Yorktown 2 probably isn’t worth testing, mainly due to survivability

Something I am not totally fond of is that they can’t exactly capitalize on Wyverns

[frigid hamlet]

just put manjuu on yorkii

[valid oxide]

Hornetwo +manjuu

[winged depot]

Would've been better if they removed the retrofit too

[merry vale]

Can't win them all.

[crude mortar]

my tenrai bugged

it doesn't intercept

[floral wave]

maybe forgor to put it into fighter slot

[valid oxide]

Would yorktwo barrage being centred have any significance in PvP?

[trail temple]

I don't think there's enough people to have a 125/200 Yorktown II that's appropriately geared to give you that answer

Centred barrages aren't everything

[merry vale]

Not even geared. Skill levels too.

No way anyone has her skills in a good spot yet.

[dull hollow]

musashi nj and hornet 2 sounds funny

if enemy runs all bb they probably cant win ever unless you hardlose the front excahnge

[valid oxide]

May unironically try hornetwo enty hiryuu for fun at some point

Gonna need bulins though

[neon bronze]

enty

musashi - nj - hornet 2 sounds fun

[valid oxide]

Enty is the only other carrier that I can think of that has some form of invuln

[neon bronze]

but her invulnerability is pepega

[valid oxide]

Fair

[neon bronze]

especially when all the top tier BBs have guns and gear that let them fire before enty procs her airstrike

[valid oxide]

Hornetwo hiryuu enty and either enty or hornetwo gets manjuu ig

I don't have any vanguard ships worth using with manjuu anyway so it's fine

[merry vale]

So after switching Musashi's aux gun to the 137 I'm impressed.

I wasn't using Harbins gun either before so take that with as much salt as you need.

It shocked me to see how consistently she pelts the enemy Frontline with it.

I've never seen her so actively hitting anyone with that gun slot.

[valid oxide]

137 is just a cl gun that can be equipped in BB DD gun slots

[merry vale]

I was using the triple 155 Kai before. I never noticed it shooting at the Vanguard. The weapon skin is pretty noticeable.

[neon bronze]

[merry vale]

The range difference is Hella noticeable.

Her gun shot is neon green and I never actually noticed it before now.

[neon bronze]

[candid sluice]

Manju enty new meta??

[hollow latch]

[winged depot]

[coral wren]

this fleet is pretty good

[merry vale]

[winged depot]

its not

though nice taste

[coral wren]

the vanguard

[winged depot]

its decent

[pseudo copper]

Yuudachi odd one out

[coral wren]

harbin for me works better than juneau

[coral wren]

she buffs harbin's torp crit rate

[winged depot]

but harbin is not really a problem

might as well use noshiro if you want torp crit rate

[coral wren]

right i should level her

i've only been around for a year so ever since i got her from war archives i've been putting it off lol

her l2d has me motivated

[royal beacon]

guys is manju york2 good for pvp???

[winged depot]

too early to say

comeback when someone can max her skills

[stark turret]

Her dmg is low as fuck

Maybe because her lvl is low

but 99 is just okay for me

13.1 gaming

[winged depot]

again, no one has her max skills yet so testing rn is futile

[stark turret]

rn these 6 ships are all 666

[winged depot]

and level 99 is just fighting a adult against a child

[stark turret]

the only difference is lvl

[winged depot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/1013507576148807791/manjuu_party.gif

[shell cove]

Sounds like my typical Tuesday evening

[neon bronze]

[unreal leaf]

wow

gave high standard fire control radar to musashi and suddenly im winning in exercises

its stronk

[merry vale]

The gamer table is a good item.