pvp

[floral wave]

and you dont need it at all once you get hiryuu up

[stable dawn]

meeb overrated. Just use mafia

[thorn obsidian]

I’m amagi

[neon bronze]

But since you're Amagi, feel free to use it

[trail temple]

True, if a guy running riche and percy can get aotn, anything works

[thorn obsidian]

So if Hiryuu gets wnt, musashi gets beaver?

[trail temple]

[winged depot]

yes

[thorn obsidian]

Ok noted, screened it to remember for after

Thanks guys

[floral wave]

stop bully richie

[stable dawn]

for def use hiryuu flag to slow down enemy fleets

since she has wnt

[winged depot]

def

cringe

[stable dawn]

gotta keep EN competitive

[uncut agate]

so competitive that it becomes casual

[stable dawn]

suffering from success

[thorn obsidian]

So..
Hiryuu/Musa(top)/Shinano(bot)
Ancho/Shima/June?

[stable dawn]

I'll make you a fleetmaker png

[thorn obsidian]

[neon bronze]

btw we dislike CAs in pvp that isn't Anchorage

[floral wave]

stop the agir

just dont

[thorn obsidian]

is any of the UR gear worth using on ships in pvp? Tenrai/CL gun/CA gun?

of that fleet*

[pseudo copper]

Amagi is ez, you can use a potato and still win

[floral wave]

tenrai on hiryuu and nano if you dont use double wyvern

ca gun on ancho

[pseudo copper]

Can even go 1 whole day offline and get first place

[stoic moon]

[floral wave]

and cl gun sushi

[thorn obsidian]

me who loses to italian CV and vanguard member(idk their names)

[neon bronze]

Drake gun replaces Cheshire gun on Anchorage

[thorn obsidian]

[floral wave]

wait a second

double wyvern tenrai? pausechamp

[stable dawn]

oops

let me fix that

[thorn obsidian]

wait..

[floral wave]

sexy bofors shima aswell

[thorn obsidian]

jueanu dd gun, tea torps too?

[stable dawn]

shima is sexy

[floral wave]

both torps work on juneau

[stable dawn]

yeah you could also go quint mags

[floral wave]

both as in tea/mags

[stable dawn]

I personally prefer double teatorps

[thorn obsidian]

also the torps on ancho?

[stable dawn]

oh whoops forgot to +13 the second black torp

[floral wave]

[thorn obsidian]

and the twin 410 musa

jsut checking

[neon bronze]

how do you get 2nd black torp

[stable dawn]

twin 410 is for her skill proc

[floral wave]

purple is fine in this fleet

[stable dawn]

she needs IJN gun

otherwise barrage won't do full dmg

[thorn obsidian]

i was told the blue was faster

[neon bronze]

ijn gun buffs her barrage

[stable dawn]

personal preference

blue gun does way less dmg

[candid sluice]

Faster no better

[thorn obsidian]

difference between them for timing?

[floral wave]

it is yeah, but purple actually good in this fleet aswell

[stable dawn]

p much yeah

[thorn obsidian]

ah k

but yes, how to second black torp?

[uncut agate]

blue gun is better when you're using other BB with 457/mk4

[pseudo copper]

Grind the event

[stable dawn]

I got a bunch of them during rerun

[pseudo copper]

So wait till it get archived

[stable dawn]

I have like 6 lol

[neon bronze]

It's true, we use it if we run another BB like New Jersey or Vanguard

NJ and Vanny equip the 457, and if you use the 410kai on musashi, they'll fire at different times due to absolute cooldown or smth iirc

[pseudo copper]

Percy archive like 1-2 years away

[neon bronze]

Wbat evebt

[stable dawn]

if you don't have 2nd black torp, you could run quint mags and rainbow torp aux instead

if quints feel too slow, go quads

[neon bronze]

Quad enjoyer, quints are too costly

[thorn obsidian]

so while i use vanguard, use blue, purple when hiryuu?

[stable dawn]

I have 3 of them at +13 because I have nothing better to use the plates on

[thorn obsidian]

just wanna check this compared to mags?

[floral wave]

not +13ing all ryza auxes smh

[winged depot]

can use any of the 3, I prefer the purple one though

[stable dawn]

the torps are for timing smoke

[neon bronze]

Basically, yes.

[stable dawn]

also those torps are mags so

[winged depot]

any chip damage is counted

[thorn obsidian]

I meant this compared to the ones you said

The other triple purples

[stable dawn]

oh

[winged depot]

yeah that's fine

[stable dawn]

I just prefer the mags

[thorn obsidian]

oh mine arent mag

[stable dawn]

Also anchorage not 125 yet?

[thorn obsidian]

i mean, i got her 2 weeks ago

[stable dawn]

she's one of the best tanks in the game, for both pvp and pve

ez 125

[thorn obsidian]

i mean, coins

[neon bronze]

Does Ancho's skill (dunno which) proc when she launches torps, or when the torps hit some ship

[floral wave]

launch

[thorn obsidian]

thought it was launch

[neon bronze]

ah thx for clarifying

[thorn obsidian]

so if/when i get a second black torp, what should i run before then?

for june

[winged depot]

lunch, needs to be borgar

[thorn obsidian]

[floral wave]

gyro/boiler/2nd kicks

[thorn obsidian]

and torps?

[floral wave]

and for torps just mag, if you dont have rainbow quint can use quad

[winged depot]

rainbow quint, quad mag

[thorn obsidian]

also cant you only get 1 kicks if you missed og run?

[floral wave]

ye

[thorn obsidian]

sad

[neon bronze]

sad

[thorn obsidian]

devs fix this

[floral wave]

double kicks not that important tbh

[thorn obsidian]

this is unjust

[neon bronze]

oh well, is it better than rudder though?

[floral wave]

you dont want to run a rudder on offtank juneau

[thorn obsidian]

i think means ancho rudder

june kicks

[stable dawn]

here's a budget ver. if you missed out on event gear and don't want to +13 everything:

[winged depot]

can also use the ryza gear with speed if no cosmic kicks

[stable dawn]

kicks are in archives now

so ez

just do 60 runs

[winged depot]

kicks on juneau and ryza gear on ancho, why not

[thorn obsidian]

so i need a tenrai, more wyverns, cl quad, ca tripple(twipple?), and second avi fuel

[stable dawn]

you can substitute tenrai with XSB3C

[thorn obsidian]

i have feather/table

[winged depot]

or just plain helldiver

[thorn obsidian]

nah im close to tenrai and on pr4 anyway

[stable dawn]

heccdiver

[winged depot]

gaming table sushi, feather nano

[floral wave]

triple 234 lowest priority tbh

[winged depot]

yep

[thorn obsidian]

im gonna end up with triple before cl quad

[floral wave]

quad cl kinda w/e here

[thorn obsidian]

do anything besides aux and planes need to be +13?

[floral wave]

torps

[thorn obsidian]

and those i guess

[winged depot]

nothing to use aa plates so those too I guess

[floral wave]

i mean you want to +13 everything that is +13able in the long run

[thorn obsidian]

+13 the suisei tho?

[floral wave]

i mean if you have spare plates after 3x +13 wyvern

[winged depot]

if you want to minmax, not worth it imo

3x wyvern and a tenrai, sheesh

[floral wave]

oh and tenrai aswell ye

[thorn obsidian]

me who is too poor to +11 a table

[zenith venture]

Im trying to bring my bot over to azur knights also

Might take some time

[candid sluice]

[zenith venture]

The good news is they are interested

The other good news is they wanna help fix some stuff

The bad news is, time

[candid sluice]

can i help fix your pace command

[zenith venture]

Like how and why?

Cos ive strict regulation on the sharing of codes

[candid sluice]

not on the code, more about the output that the command gives

[zenith venture]

ill pass

[untold crater]

Perfect as it is tbh, no need to change it

[candid sluice]

💀

[stable dawn]

💀

[prisma pagoda]

If I switch Shima for Harbin... still have good performance ?

[floral wave]

its not shima but its decent

[prisma pagoda]

[winged depot]

I would still use shima

she's too strong to replace

[lusty hill]

Harbin better than ayanami?

[winged depot]

definitely, while ayanami has potential to oneshot its still hella rng so might as well go for the tanky option

[serene granite]

Any suggestions for improving pvp team

(I don't have shima)

[winged depot]

musashi?

[serene granite]

I do have musashi

[winged depot]

hmm any other open options in vanguard

musashi, aquila, nj and probably switch duca to a harbin

or just juneau

[serene granite]

Working on Harbin, don't have prints for her

[winged depot]

juneau works then

[winged depot]

https://x94fujo6rpg.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/?AFLD=No4RgTggGBmaA0AmWYmIKywCyKQNkMQA5cEwB2fRMaXNRAIgoBMBDCtrtxhbAXQTB4tDBHK0ySDHTxE8FMhnTloYYk1aduPPoPDR0FcdjBhqfDGCmELYHDVI04alc3Y7dA-cGoU1CrAqkOZ4TiQWRKr%2BSG6snl76opQ02DKIEPi0ctQ0BIi5qtQMCO4JvAJC8FbQiA4WsfnI8giwGBoI6UWumiza3BX8gmBDAITQAHTQFKMQ2QBGsACmQA

didn't see the rainbow torp, can just switch duca gears except main gun to juneau

and the aux too lol

but if you think you have success with your old fleet, don't hesitate to go back if it works it works

[serene granite]

Thanks!

[lusty hill]

But does harbin do decent damage? Or mainly just her smoke

[winged depot]

she still does

I one time had a situation where she got nj to 20% ish hp

[lusty hill]

time to replace my ayanami then

what dev level until she's useful

[winged depot]

dev 30

[lusty hill]

[pastel jolt]

Ayanami

So useless

[winged depot]

kotori

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/1042575845937655829/grab.gif

[pastel jolt]

[trail temple]

Don't get cucked by Famine

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

btw serenity, how did you fare against Famine?

Win, loss, refresh list, or did someone else in your list rush?

[lusty hill]

I just refresh it

[neon bough]

Rate my defense fleet

[floral wave]

10/10

[craggy cliff]

Do people still use noshiro for a PvP fleet?

[floral wave]

barely, mainly if they dont have other stuff

im using her rn

[pseudo copper]

Well yeah, you are a Noshi simp Brah

[floral wave]

well i am noshi simp regardless of being brah

[pseudo copper]

So you admit to being Brah

[floral wave]

more like i give up resisting

and give in to being one of the voices

anyways, im using noshiro because i dont have shima, so harbin replaces shima and noshiro goes into the spot harbin would occupy if shima was present

[vague fox]

Just a headsup, URL for Juneau in The Tierlist tab is broken

[trail temple]

Should have joined Avrora if you were insistent on playing an alt. Then you would be able to see the great man himself in action

[vague fox]

Actually a lot of the links are broken

[trail temple]

I noticed that, it appears to be due to the wiki address changing

So a lot of the time I have been replacing links

@lusty hill What does your copy of Famine's fleet look like?

[lusty hill]

well I don't have NJ or shima so I'll wait for the rerun

[vague fox]

Looking at the tierlist, what makes Enty so much worse than Hiryuu?

Oh, nm, forgot her thing was only 70%

[trail temple]

Ayaya loadout would be exactly the same as Shima

NJ is a valid reason tho

[trail temple]

That and she's vulnerable outside of lucky e

Which is easy for most meta BBs to shoot her down

[lusty hill]

yeah but shima still way better than ayanami

[trail temple]

She is, yes. But I am curious to see how you think Famine's built his shima

[lusty hill]

like ayanami only useful for her nuke preload but shima seems to shoot torps like every 5 seconds or something

[trail temple]

Which would be the same loadout for Ayaya, performance aside

The torp spam is her barrage

[lusty hill]

I think it could be the same as the loadout on the tierlist

but the full oath could make the difference since I swear I've beat multiple battle with similar fleet before the difference is I never won on the one with full oathed

[neon bronze]

3rd alt incoming then

[candid sluice]

wiki links 💀

ill work on it

[trail temple]

Better sooner rather than later so you can get NJ and Shima

[neon bronze]

might as well compete in 3 servers

[trail temple]

[trail temple]

I'll hold you to it

[candid sluice]

u cant even compete in one server why are u trying in three

[winged depot]

[neon bronze]

Look at my rating in last season Amagi and say that again

[pseudo copper]

T20 isn't anything special other than somewhat decent for first try

Esp since Amagi is one of the easiest

[neon bronze]

Easiest?

😱

ok now 8 see why

aotn eos or bust

[pseudo copper]

Yeah, we don't have defence fleets, I'll make sure to set up one for you this time

[trail temple]

Top 1 or bust

Salty has also gotten eos r1 several times so, in all fairness he can say that

[winged depot]

Rank 1 and branch out

[candid sluice]

Didnt even see your name

[pseudo copper]

2560 iirc so normal

[winged depot]

Not gonna try other servers until I get 2600

no matter how much it takes

[trail temple]

I think a couple of seasons I scored higher on washy than I did on Avrora

and I wasn't playing that badly on avrora

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/collusion-ruxin-league-gif-5684150

[winged depot]

Only did one collusion when I got r1 lol

[neon bronze]

gotta do more if you wanna 2600

[winged depot]

Don't need to

I'll get it without doing one

[neon bronze]

good luck

[trail temple]

Famine got 2600 without collusion

[stable dawn]

so did hail

collusion is an illusion

[trail temple]

If he colluded he would be 2605+

[winged depot]

who got r1 on washy last season

[stable dawn]

idk there's no data on washy

[winged depot]

Ah, 2590 at least?

nvm scrolled backed

[stable dawn]

[candid sluice]

No data

[vestal raptor]

Does fleet tech affect pvp or not?

[uncut agate]

No

[untold crater]

Changes number shown, not active in pvp

[normal mulch]

How did I win this?

[empty mesa]

Attacker advantage.

[candid sluice]

full rainbow team > not full rainbow

[normal mulch]

Not always

Ägir is not too good in pvp

[neon bronze]

Lucky play.

Then again, Shinano's airstrikes hit prettyhard.

[lusty hill]

what makes shinano better than hakuryuu in pvp

it seems like I've never seen anyone use haku

[pseudo copper]

Haku is squishier and has less TB

So lower crash

[lusty hill]

torpedo bomber deal more crash damage?

[warm crow]

depends on the plane, but yeah wyvern deals a lot of crash damage

[pseudo copper]

Yeah, and Wyvern has intercept

• Breguet if using that

[lusty hill]

didn't know there's intercept in pvp too

[floral wave]

why not, enemy planes exist

[pseudo copper]

Not if enemy is using triple BB

[floral wave]

true, i like my triple bb

[trail temple]

I like my triple CV

[floral wave]

you need to showcase it at some point

im kinda curious

[trail temple]

Still messing with current meta shit so we can sort out the tierlist

[floral wave]

yea thats why at some point

[rustic bridge]

Lose or win

Lose 3 min 2 ships Focus enty she become 0 damge

[candid sluice]

literally unplayable

[rustic bridge]

My tank is to usless she die to fast

[pseudo copper]

Algerie is hot, she can't die

[rustic bridge]

Algerie on 29s dead

[pseudo copper]

You just don't have the skin equipped

Loss of additional stats

[rustic bridge]

Have no skins for here

[valid oxide]

Should BBs usually be equipped with dd or cl guns in PvP?

[warm crow]

Depends on the gun. If you check the pinned guide, the suggested aux guns are plymouth gun, harbin gun, seattle gun, neptune gun cause of the stats, range, and damage

[vestal hearth]

I think you'll find them more useful if they're equipped with BB guns

but given the choice between DD or CL guns, most DD guns don't have the range for the vanguard fight from the backline except Harbin's, whose spread is also better than CL guns

[warm crow]

harbin gun's firing angle also allows you to hit the enemy vanguard in case they get beside/behind your BBs once your entire vanguard sinks

[south leaf]

I need to improving my fleet power..
But wait should i send the video? Of it or just screenshot of it?

[floral wave]

screenshots are fine

[south leaf]

I'll just showcase it a little

What does i need to improve this?

Anything

[floral wave]

first of all kron and helena out, need to see gears aswell

[south leaf]

Bad gears ngl...

Needs build

[floral wave]

theres a pinned doc with fleets/backliners gear

or you could just screenshot it and send here

[south leaf]

Alright wait here

@floral wave also can i only post the UR's one

And for helena i will not remove her

[floral wave]

[south leaf]

I probably change krons to anchorage

Here my build

[floral wave]

oof

okay lets go from top to bottom

[south leaf]

Yeah ik

For shimakaze first

[floral wave]

shima mark IX torps or quint magnetic and pearl instead of rainboe torp

also of magnetic torps then black torp out

staag for aa

[south leaf]

But it does increase damage output to 8000 crit damage without it my shima is too weak

[floral wave]

you dont need exactly 8k damage, you need proper torps to hit stuff

[south leaf]

The thing is i want to kill the enemies as fast as i could and having enourmous defense

And gamebreaking mechanics

Probably that

[floral wave]

then you swap out helena

and you do either kill fast or last long

[south leaf]

Helena has manjuu repair system

[floral wave]

theres no both

doesnt matter what gear helena has

anyways

[south leaf]

Should i replace krons with anchorage?

[floral wave]

yes

[south leaf]

I will but not now...

Don't have anchorage yet

[floral wave]

vanguard gear, 457/aux is fineish/staag/beaver/hpfcr

[south leaf]

HPFCR?

Spell it please

[floral wave]

high performance fire control radar whatever the name is

thing thay decreases first salvo timijg by 15%

[south leaf]

And?

[floral wave]

and beager tag

beaver

[south leaf]

Beaver tag for?

[floral wave]

for vanguard

[south leaf]

I have it

[floral wave]

or washington naval treaty

both are fine since second one goes on nj or the other backliner

[south leaf]

I want to change shinano to enty should i do it for the last resort

[floral wave]

no

do you have musashi?

[south leaf]

No?

[south leaf]

...

[floral wave]

?

[south leaf]

No musashi no uvh

Sad

[floral wave]

hiryuu?

[south leaf]

Hiryuu useless

[floral wave]

youre useless

[south leaf]

Ngl does she even can survive the barrages?

[floral wave]

or course

shes there to bait barrages

on herself

[south leaf]

Hm...

But she'll die eventually

What i need is unbreakable defense system with gamebreaking mechanics fleet

[floral wave]

how many wyverns do you have?

[south leaf]

0

[floral wave]

then sorry i cant help you

[south leaf]

No wyverns and no tenrai

[floral wave]

theres no such thing as unbreakable defense

and gamebreaking mechanics

[south leaf]

I know

[floral wave]

aquila?

[south leaf]

@floral wave you mean you wanna change my entire fleet to this kind of monstrous thing?

No

[floral wave]

kind of, yeah

not exactly the same

[south leaf]

Still tho i have aquilia and duca

Vitterio too

[floral wave]

juneau/harbin/noshiro?

[south leaf]

Juneau retrofitted

Harbin who?

[floral wave]

well you could run full mafia if you have the italians

or run

[south leaf]

Noshiro still level 100

[floral wave]

nj/aquila/vang

or nj/hiryuu/vang

[south leaf]

Got them all

[floral wave]

frontline ancho/shima/juneau

maybe duca instead of juneau but im not sure if shes gonna be useful with your gear

anyways back to gear

how many 457s youve got

[south leaf]

Hm... I prefer juneau because more heal

[south leaf]

Should i say... I'm very lazy to farm those UR bp's

So 0

[floral wave]

then you need

gimme sec

2x this gun on the bottom right

[south leaf]

Nope don't have it

[floral wave]

craft it

460 that youre using is useless

[south leaf]

Low on items btw

[floral wave]

and mk7 is okay but i wouldnt really use it here

well your bbs have no guns then

cant kill anything

[south leaf]

I mainly on torps

Since they ignore shields

But ofc i balance it with some firepower and fast reload

[floral wave]

not really

[south leaf]

Also can i see your build and pvp fleet?

[floral wave]

eh, sure, sec

[south leaf]

So i can probably implement one of your ships,
BUT REMEMBER NO UVH AND NO MUSASHI

[floral wave]

well im using them both right now

[south leaf]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ARGHHHHHHHH

[floral wave]

with the ships you said you have

your best bets are

[south leaf]

Ouch... This is all too powerfull for me

I only can implement the anchorage one

[floral wave]

mafia: nj/veneto/aquila/ancho/shima/duca
nj/aquila/vang/ancho/shima/duca or juneau
nj/hiryuu/vang/ancho/shima/duca or juneau

[south leaf]

Also how strong is your fleet power in pvp?

Is it up 17k ?

[floral wave]

power means nothing

no

[south leaf]

Uh... How much is it?

Main and Vanguard

[floral wave]

oh wait, it actually is

[south leaf]

...

[south leaf]

Noshiro with goldburn right?

[floral wave]

yeah but thats not necessary

[south leaf]

I have it attached to helena

[floral wave]

i just like it and uh its +13 already

[south leaf]

anchorage with it's evasioness
Noshiro with anti torps skill and harbin

For uh...

Don't have harbin yet

[floral wave]

harbin is basically my shima

you have shima

[south leaf]

You don't have shima?

[floral wave]

i dont have shima so im using harbin in that place

[south leaf]

I thought you had almost every UR

Btw i'm f2p

[floral wave]

i dont have nj either

im also f2p

[south leaf]

i think luck is on me i guess

[floral wave]

i didnt play during nj/shima events

[south leaf]

Atleast you have musashi and uvh

GIV THEM

[floral wave]

you do have ships for more thsn a decent fleet

[south leaf]

To me

[floral wave]

just need gear

[south leaf]

I only need builds

ALSO i don't have pearl tears

[floral wave]

thats a minor setback

[floral wave]

.

[south leaf]

Does it's even neccesary?

[floral wave]

honestly one of these is your best bet

necessary no, helpful yes

and you desperately need gear

having full meta fleet but with shit gear wont do much

[south leaf]

I know

Also i forgot what i'm going to say rn

[south leaf]

Oh yeah about this

This fleet are monstorus to me

[floral wave]

thats the best performance wise that seems to be achievable with your dock

[south leaf]

Luckly i have noshiro too

But still underleveled

[floral wave]

noshiro isnt necessary

probably juneau still better

much safer option tbh

[south leaf]

Hm... Yeah it's literally heal your entire fleets

JUST BE SURE NOT EVERYONE SINK FIRST

But that's juneau weakness

[floral wave]

shinano not really an option if you were to use barracudas on her

[south leaf]

Oh barracudas i have it

Does it even do big damage?

[floral wave]

yeah thats not enough for shinano team

and yes, parallel torp bombers are better than converging in pvp

due to crash damage

[south leaf]

But sometimes they don't hit

They rarely hit the ships, even so the damage is very big

[floral wave]

its all about crash damage

[south leaf]

I can beat your fleet if you remove anchorage and noshiro... And change it to anything else

[floral wave]

not about hitting all torps

[south leaf]

Ngl if you only remove them

[floral wave]

ofc you could, especially with attacker advantage

[south leaf]

If not i lose for sure

[floral wave]

but thats not even my def fleet

[south leaf]

Let me guess... What are those defense fleet?

Sounds strong

[south leaf]

LMFAO

[floral wave]

very strong indeed

[south leaf]

Very literally stronk

[floral wave]

having strong def fleet is pointless

[south leaf]

That i don't even need use shima to defeat it

[south leaf]

Yep the player can restart whatever they want

So.... Well useless

If only they implemented the friendly pvp

Function....

[floral wave]

no, having a fleet that can make people with strong fleets reset has its uses

[south leaf]

Which uses it is?

[floral wave]

but having a weak fleet allows more people to pass you

and possibly get you more points

in return

[south leaf]

Hm... Sounds like a challenge

[floral wave]

and making people reset might be useful if youre aiming for very high place end of season

[south leaf]

Making a weak fleet but can defeat monster fleet

[floral wave]

no

you mixed it up

[south leaf]

I know that's only my idea don't worry

[floral wave]

you use a very strong or very stalling fleet late in the season to potentially screw your opponents

[south leaf]

I'm not aiming at very high, but i'm aiming to be strongest

[floral wave]

and you use super weak fleet early on to get more bonus points

at least thats generally the theory

[south leaf]

Nope, i already aiming the strongest if i can't defeat it in any ways

I just skip it over

And do a rematch if i were powerfull enough

Ah well it'll probably take longer time

Since there will be new ur's and gears

[floral wave]

im talking about defense fleets now

[south leaf]

Since they're defending with weak fleets sure i can get easy points

But that not in my case anymore

Well what i'm going to do right now is to get anchorage, get pearl tears and uh... Change equipments

Only some of it

[floral wave]

you really need to step up your opsi farming

[south leaf]

I auto farm it

[floral wave]

90% of the gear in screenshots needs change

[south leaf]

90% ooof

[floral wave]

well thats a rough estimate

but almost everything

[south leaf]

But yeah almost...

Oh btw your fleet is literally almost immune to torps

But not to fp isn't it?

[floral wave]

its not immune to torps at all

[south leaf]

It has noshiro so...

Reducing the damages

From torps

AND anchorage

[floral wave]

thats barely 20% on frontline

[south leaf]

Especially anchorage with her evasioness

(hide and seek skill is annoying tbh)

[floral wave]

well ancho is core for any pvp team right now

[south leaf]

Anchorage needs a nerf

[floral wave]

not really

[south leaf]

Literally

[floral wave]

whyd you nerf a ship people can access freely

[south leaf]

Reduce her evasion to 60% only and that's now competitive

It's too OP

[floral wave]

it isnt

its just a ship with really good kit for pvp

[south leaf]

It is... She can dodge incoming BIG damage for short amount of time

Just like hiryuu that you said bait for the barrages

[floral wave]

both are easily obtainable

[south leaf]

Not for newcomers...

[floral wave]

wdym not for newcomers

just rush eatle union tech points

get anchorage

work on blueprints

theres nothing hard in it

doesnt require dev30, doesnt need high end gear

[south leaf]

For me, anchorage MUST dev30

Anything for power

[floral wave]

you're wrong

[deft escarp]

Anchorage is good enough at dev 25

[south leaf]

Not good enough

Needs more upgrade

[floral wave]

bruh

power is nothinf

19k power fleets are free points

[deft escarp]

:PeepoStare:

[south leaf]

Nani????

[untold crater]

Yeah

Power is just for show

[deft escarp]

You need to get better gear before you can even contest with the meta fleets rn

[south leaf]

What does even makes some shipgirls stronger?

[untold crater]

Gear rarity and upgrade level basically

[south leaf]

Gear....

[untold crater]

As well as their base fleet power

[south leaf]

I dunno about their base power

[untold crater]

Yeah, some ships are better with say purple or blue guns, rather than rainbow

[south leaf]

Why tho?

[untold crater]

Depends on the ship

[floral wave]

youre using blue gun shima yourself

[untold crater]

For musashi, her 460 is so slow, and she needs IJN Main gun

[south leaf]

Oh... So you can activate skills very quickly?

That's the main reason right?

[untold crater]

Yes

[floral wave]

dont worry, hes got 460 on vang

[south leaf]

Oh i see..

[untold crater]

Then you have Auxes

Sometimes you use purple ones

[south leaf]

Which axulliary do i need?

[untold crater]

Like CVs use 50/150 fuel

[south leaf]

Oh that 50/150 fuel what does even do?

[untold crater]

Increase plane speed and HP

[south leaf]

Only that?

[untold crater]

Speed is self explanatory, but HP is for Crash dmg

[south leaf]

How about homing beacon?

Oh that's why stryk saying crash damage

[untold crater]

Homing beacon is worse

[south leaf]

I see it now

[untold crater]

No crash DMG increase

[south leaf]

So literally kamikaze it is

Well then imma increase my plane hp but decreases it's reload time since i will replace homing beacon with that isooctane

[frigid hamlet]

as a new player i constructed dev 20 anchorage in 2 months and dev 30'd in 3 months

[south leaf]

...

[untold crater]

Sounds about right

[south leaf]

It took me 1 years...

[frigid hamlet]

i didn't use any general blueprints~~, but i also neglected haku and avp~~

[south leaf]

And the anchorage didn't even clear yet...

[untold crater]

If you pick the missions with her face you get more prints of her

[south leaf]

Ahem research

[floral wave]

theres no excuse anymore

unless you log in once in few days

[south leaf]

And farm for 2 hours?

I can auto farm 14-4 but....

[floral wave]

why

just farm 12/13

[south leaf]

Level issue i stucked myself in 11-4

So...

Lazy to farm

I just use shima to go brr the enemies

And they gone instantly

I hope there's strong equipment with low reload time or very good special effects
And it's rainbow rarity or any rarity

[untold crater]

Man

I don't even know anymore

[south leaf]

Uhmm...

Explain

[untold crater]

u chillin

[south leaf]

Probably

[untold crater]

Should be good for gears if u clr 14-4

Don't know what you're missing

[floral wave]

uh

[south leaf]

Lazyness

[floral wave]

hes missing everythinf

[south leaf]

Rip...

[deft escarp]

[south leaf]

But i doubt about it

[floral wave]

.

here

[south leaf]

Yeah for some reason anchorage literally good for now

[deft escarp]

Just know that most of the time bis PvP gear and PvE gear aren't the same

[south leaf]

I uh... Didn't change my pve gear to pvp fleet

Yes that's my PvE gear

All of that are my PvE gear

4:26 am here needs to sleep

[deft escarp]

Something like this should be doable though you'd have to use Vanguard instead of Musashi

[south leaf]

No musashi

So vanguard will do

Also hiryuu for aquilia right?

[floral wave]

either or, both work

[deft escarp]

I use Hiryuu because of Final Counter

[south leaf]

Uhm.. who will actually win enty lucky e or hiryuu final Counter?

For me lucky E will literally do some damages while you're immune

[deft escarp]

Final Counter

[south leaf]

Really?

What about both of them activate at the same time?

[deft escarp]

Enty can be revealed and just sniped early whereas Final Counter guarantees 2 airstrikes

[static tartan]

good fleets either one shot enty before or right after lucky e

meanwhile FC just invuls when needed

[deft escarp]

Flagship Hiryuu can also tank a ton of damage for NJ and Musashi because of it

[south leaf]

Oh well imma go sleep it's almost morning lol

Imma take a note real quick

[deft escarp]

And the 3 best CVs in PvP rn are a three way tie between Shinano, Hiryuu and Aquila imo, one for sheer damage, the other for tanking and the last for preload

[south leaf]

Noted that but i will not change my shinano thought

Well then cya

[floral wave]

you dont have gear for shinano

well you dont have gear for your bbs either i guess

[deft escarp]

You might as well just use Hiryuu

Doesn't seem like he has Wyverns

[south leaf]

Hiryuu.. i have her...

[floral wave]

he doesnt have wyverns

[deft escarp]

[south leaf]

I only need 1 only tenrai bp so i can craft it

[floral wave]

no 457s or mats for twin 406 ap either

[deft escarp]

Yeah

[south leaf]

It's the matter of skills right now...
How about creating a ship that literally disable all skills in the battle?

I hope that's gonna be real someday

[deft escarp]

You really need to work on your gear first before even thinking about contesting the top meta fleets

[south leaf]

I'm not aiming top meta fleets but the strongest fleet

[floral wave]

he chillin

[deft escarp]

Aren't those two the same thing

[south leaf]

Top meta fleets are slaves to themselfs, while mine is different

Mine is Union, different faction ships but strong power levels

I hope there's sardegna UR someday....

[trail temple]

[winged depot]

"meta fleets" are there so you won't have trouble and if your pride wouldn't allow it to use them then that's on you.

attackers advantage exists anyways so go ham

[candid sluice]

[merry vale]

[vestal raptor]

Watch UR AA gonna rekt meta CV fleets or any fleet that use planes

[merry vale]

6x UR AA guns would be pretty funny to see.

[winged depot]

if only

[lusty hill]

can this hiryuu skill reveal backline?

[candid sluice]

yes

[lusty hill]

so if I have 2 BB with hiryuu, they will immediately shot backline right?

[warm crow]

unless the opponent has shitty AA, that plane barrage never reveal CVs for me

[lusty hill]

I wonder if vanguard + musashi + hiryuu would be better than my current shinano + musashi + hiryuu

since they about to add georgia gun to gear lab

also if that UR AA gonna really kill all planes

[pastel jolt]

[warm crow]

probably not the UR AA gun, but accdg to JP patch notes they're introducing backline AA guns that can hit planes not in the AA range of the vanguard (cone shape extending from the BBs equipped) so its a CV nerf depending on how strong the damage would be

[deft escarp]

I'm pretty sure that Musashi would be better

[steel coral]

it can but if she procs one of the weaker ones it won't reveal fully and also the planes might get shot down

it's also possible that she launches the barrage which makes the enemy cv intercept which in turn makes hiryuu intercept their planes

[lusty hill]

Is this applies only to the new AA gun or an update to all AA mechanics?

[warm crow]

some new AA guns have timed fuze (long-range BB only equip) https://www.azurlane.jp/news-item.html?i=1279

[whole salmon]

Basically you are doing highest fleet power challenge?

Since Meta fleets uses different faction ships as well

[thorn obsidian]

I’m getting unlucky here

[winged depot]

why

rolled rank 3 is pretty lucky

[thorn obsidian]

all my refreshes have been top 5 players

[winged depot]

jelly

nothing retreating could beat

[thorn obsidian]

Case and point

[whole salmon]

Isn’t that a good thing?

[thorn obsidian]

i lost to them after rerolling constantly

[velvet geode]

[whole salmon]

getting such high rank players is a good thing no?

You get extra points

[thorn obsidian]

i lsot and went from rank 79 to 95

so no

[winged depot]

battle > retreat repeat the process until you win

[whole salmon]

Just battle then retreat

[thorn obsidian]

i did

[whole salmon]

Then battle again

[thorn obsidian]

i didnt win

[whole salmon]

Do it constantly for 6 hours

Eventually you will win

[winged depot]

battle till you win, the tryhard way

[whole salmon]

There are people that takes 50 tries to 100 tries to beat someone

And the fleet you showed aren’t particularly hard to beat

Looking at your def fleet, you would have won eventually

[thorn obsidian]

meh, im in it for the merit, not the glory

[whole salmon]

Wouldn’t being higher rank give you more merit anyways

[winged depot]

yeppers

[thorn obsidian]

effort

also ive lost too many battlers already this season

[winged depot]

welp, good luck then my friend

[south leaf]

You almost right but...

Not in that highest fleet power in terms of pvp

But in terms of the strongest

Yeah... I wanted all of my collected shipgirls are usefull and powerfull

It'll take some time maybe decades...

More than leveling them

I need to make them can beat meta ops ships

Common, rare, elite, super rare, and ultra rare, i will make all of them... Powerfull

[neon bronze]

Good luck, radit of Sandy.

[south leaf]

I'm not amagi, i'm sandy

[neon bronze]

oh sandy's pretty easy in terms of pvp activity

still, good luck.

[pseudo copper]

Still too hard for you

[pastel jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-gif-21639509

[deft escarp]

[deft escarp]

Wait, he's on Snadi

[neon bronze]

@devout mountain questions?

[devout mountain]

This is my current fleet

Should i use ayanami instead of yuudachi

I have her at max and oath

And for shinano should i use wyverns instead of ryuuseis

[untold crater]

Yes

Converging torps miss almost everything

And ryusei have low crash damage value

[devout mountain]

Oh lmao forgot abt crash damage

But i still use ryuuseis for my hiryuu right

I think i need it for late game

Where hiryuu can 1v2 enemy bbs

[untold crater]

No

[devout mountain]

Wait rly?

[untold crater]

In pvp you don't ever want to use converging

It's good in scenarios where vanguard is dead

But hiryuu launches before shinano

So it's only useful under the circumstances where

1. vanguard is dead
   Which happens less often since ryusei missed vanguard

[devout mountain]

But wont it be really useful once musashi finishes off the vanguard and i still have hiryuu for the backlines

If they remain

Oh and speaking of musashi which ijn bb gun should i use

[untold crater]

If you kill the vanguard

Your fight is basically won with 2CV

[devout mountain]

Oh i see

Which other torp bombers should i use?

I only have 1 wyvern

[untold crater]

Do you have tenrai

[devout mountain]

Not yet

Need 10 more bp

I only have gold Helldivers

[untold crater]

Well 2 wyvern for nano and 1 wyvern for Hiryuu works best, otherwise for wyvern prio it's

1. Shinano 2nd slot
2. Hiryuu
3. Shinano first slot

As for substitutes for Wyvern, you have Breguet from Joffre event

[devout mountain]

What about barracudas

[untold crater]

And then Barracuda TB

Barracuda is worse than breguet

[devout mountain]

Wait whats TB?

[untold crater]

Torpedo bomber

[devout mountain]

Torp bomber?

Ah i see

@untold crater What about which ijn bb gun do i use for Musashi

[untold crater]

You have 2 Options

[devout mountain]

Im using the twin 210 kai as of now

410**

[untold crater]

356mm IJN gun from Gear lab, and 410mm Kai from gear lab

356 is faster but less salvo damage than 410

[devout mountain]

But is it worth using since the skill proc can deal massive damage

[untold crater]

I use it personally

[devout mountain]

I see

What about ship placements

[untold crater]

Since in the event of a Musashi 1v1 my musashi fires before a 410mm as well as before an NJ with 457

[devout mountain]

Should hiryuu be the flagship

[untold crater]

Musashi's value from Flagship is greater than damage negated during final counter in flagship position, I've found

I would use Musashi Flagship easily

[devout mountain]

I see

Is it worth it for Musashi to use the twin 457

No right

[untold crater]

No

[devout mountain]

Alright thanks

[untold crater]

Your vanguard seems to suffer also

Azuma is deadweight, and poi isn't the best option

What else do you have in your dock?

[devout mountain]

Yea i dont have all the meta ships

[untold crater]

The easiest substitution you could make is Juneau for Azuma

[devout mountain]

What about ayanami or kazagumo

[untold crater]

Until you have a Juneau I'd use Aya/Noshiro over poi/azuma

Then swap Aya for Juneau and put Noshiro in the middle

[devout mountain]

Wait but whats wrong with azuma

[untold crater]

Slow as hell

[devout mountain]

I use her with the beaver squad tag

Does that not work

[untold crater]

And CB modifiers make her 1 shot with torps

[untold crater]

It's not enough

[devout mountain]

Ah

What gear should i use on aya and noshiro then

For my dds i just usually slap 2 rainbow oxytorps

[untold crater]

Do you have black torp

[devout mountain]

Yes

But i use the rainbow magnetic torps

[untold crater]

Tea torp + black torp + oxytorp

On aya

Noshiro I'd use pearl tears over oxy

[valid oxide]

What is black torp?

[devout mountain]

Like this?

[untold crater]

Yeah, not that main gun or AA gun tho

Like this

[devout mountain]

Wait rly

I thought the staag was for main fleet ships

[untold crater]

Hit for Torp

[devout mountain]

Oh

[untold crater]

They have no AA so best to boost Hit

[devout mountain]

I see

I just thought accelerator aas were best for dd

[valid oxide]

In pve it usually is but hit for torps is more worth in PvP/late game pve

[untold crater]

It's not like STAAG isn't also an accelerator

[devout mountain]

I see

What about the gear loadout for noshiro

[untold crater]

Same as Aya, but Pearl tears over oxy

[devout mountain]

Wait u can have more than one black torp

Guess i didnt play during the rerun or smth

[untold crater]

1 per ship

Oh u mean that

Yeah it was map drop

And event had rerun

[devout mountain]

Ohhhh

[untold crater]

Most ppl have 4+ by now

[devout mountain]

I didnt play this game for 2 yrs lol

Just restarted mid this yr

[untold crater]

Since you have 1 you should use quint mag + oxy + tears

[devout mountain]

Is there a substitute for tears

Can i just use 2 oxytorps

[untold crater]

Tears are free

[devout mountain]

Ye ik im too lazy to farm exp for those ships rn

[untold crater]

You can use 2 oxy but your WR is gonna lower

10% HP to 5 ships is op

[devout mountain]

I see

What about the placements

Its just Anchorage tank and noshiro offtank right

[untold crater]

Yeah

When you get Juneau, Noshiro would be middle

[devout mountain]

Wait so u have no dds at all

[valid oxide]

Unless you were using shima

[untold crater]

I use Shimakaze, but you missed her

[devout mountain]

Ayanami is close enough

[untold crater]

If you'd like you could use her over Noshiro yeah

[devout mountain]

Which gun do i use for noshiro

Its the Seattle gun right

Or is the mogami gun better

[untold crater]

Ply gun

Mogami Kai from gear lab if you don't have it

[devout mountain]

Isnt the Seattle gun better then the mogami kai because of low spread?

[valid oxide]

Mogami Kai has higher fp and damage per shot

I don't have ancho and I can make this fleet pretty soon. Levels for all, MLB for noshiro and 4 pieces of gear. Is this ok and what should I change

[devout mountain]

I think u should use the musashi gun on amagi?

U coukd take advantage of the halved reload time

By musashi gun i meant the triple 460

And i guess for musashi u could use the twin 410 kai instead

And try not to use sg radars

[valid oxide]

That's only for first shot, any shot after that is still 30s reload

[valid oxide]

Cheap Eva+hit aux that I can feasibly get

[devout mountain]

Ye ik but most of the time amagi wont make it to the second salvo

[valid oxide]

Amagi gives backline Eva and enemy debuff

[devout mountain]

Also for hiryuu u could use tigercats or sea hornets for more dmg

[valid oxide]

Have you thought that I may not have them if I'm using seafangs

[floral wave]

yeah he could also use wyvern

surely doesnt because he doesnt want to

[untold crater]

Looks like new player

[valid oxide]

I am fairly new

[untold crater]

Just missing mats from opsi

For sea hornet and Wyvern

[pale niche]

When I put Yukikaze in my defense fleet, then leave, unequip her to regear Ayanami, does she keep the gear for the defense fleet?

[winged depot]

nope

ah well she does unless it gets to be at :00

[pale niche]

How do I do this

[winged depot]

like if rn you stripped her, she still will have her gear until it reaches like uh 7 mins from now

everything gets refreshed every hour

[pale niche]

So I have to regear her?

Regear her, wait for the exersice reset, then I can ungear her

[winged depot]

let me do an example, If I change something at 7:23 the changes will take effect at 8:00 like that

[candid sluice]

defense fleets update every hour on the dot

so u could unequip and equip before that time

[pale niche]

Yukikaze is geared right now, there are 2 more minutes before the next reset

So after those 2 minutes, Ill be good to ungear her?

[winged depot]

yes

make sure to switch back after you finish

[neon bronze]

DST?

[thorn obsidian]

(Spoilering this pic cause this guy has a horrible taste in naming)
This fleet instantly one shot my Shinano in the first 5 seconds, attempted to reroll 8 times and gave up, same outcome every time

[royal beacon]

bootyjay

mm

[thorn obsidian]

Ancho name

[stable dawn]

[stoic moon]

smh, kirito so dum

[pseudo copper]

@empty mesa

[winged depot]

Kirito

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/948277339396124692.gif?size=64&quality=lossless

[empty mesa]

[thorn obsidian]

I’ve reported him before for that ancho name

FYI

[winged depot]

LMFAO

[pseudo copper]

Yeah, gotta let Manjuu enjoy the name too

[winged depot]

only westerners get offended by that word ngl

yeah manjuu is not censoring it too

[pseudo copper]

I am proud to be one

[thorn obsidian]

I get offended by it as I was called it my whole life

[winged depot]

as to many of us

[stoic moon]

urnot the only one

[winged depot]

some of us are just not snowflakes

[thorn obsidian]

I have a reason to be offended, based on my bio

[winged depot]

its easy to just ignore it

you can like have an option to not see nicknames

on settings