pvp

[warm crow]

what's the best stall team right now? regardless of damage. i was thinking hiryuu/seydlitz/anchorage/juneau -- who fills the last two spots?

[uncut agate]

best stall fleet is something that's hard to beat.

[gloomy salmon]

I keep seeing Mafia fleets in rank 1400

[uncut agate]

Yeah some people put a meta fleet on defence and stop doing pvp to make newbies suffer 😎

[gloomy salmon]

Rank 1100 dammit

I just know I'm gonna sent back to 1500 after the reset

[pseudo copper]

Will start seeing some tmrw or after in Amagi

Actually seems like 2 resets

[lusty hill]

Should I get Juneau to lv 125?

[trail temple]

Wouldn't hurt

[lusty hill]

Also what makes hiryuu top tier? Is it only because of her zombie skill or is there more

[trail temple]

Her zombie also gives off an extra airstrike

[lusty hill]

I see

What plane on shinano first slot? Torpedo or dive bomber

[trail temple]

Torpedo

Wyvern particularly

[lusty hill]

Technically I could make two more wyvern but I wonder if it's worth it just for pvp lol

[trail temple]

If you're gonna run Shinano and Hiryuu, you really want 3 wyverns

[neon bronze]

2 Wyverns and 1 Barracuda/Breguet/Skypirate, 2 Wyvern feels slow if u use SB2C or Tenrai. Though can be mitigated by Suisei Model 12a

[lusty hill]

wyvern on each ship or 2 on shinano?

[neon bronze]

1 on hiryuu and shinano's third slot

[neon bronze]

if I have 1 Wyvern, where do I put that Wyvern, Hiryuu or Shinano?

[uncut agate]

Shinano

[trail temple]

^

Shinano has a 4 torp plane slot

[neon bronze]

which is preferable if i lack Wyverns? Baracuda, Breguet, or Skypirate?

[untold crater]

when u say after; you're aware that you go down to 5/10 before the restock, yes?

[neon bronze]

ye

[untold crater]

restock puts you from 5/10 to 10/10

[trail temple]

Breguet > Cuda >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skypirate

[lusty hill]

whut why skypirate sucks??

[neon bronze]

wait , was Skypirates slower than the other 2 options?

[trail temple]

Yeah

[neon bronze]

if so then that's understandable

[trail temple]

Slower, lower plane HP and lower crash damage

iirc

Been a while since I last looked at the skypirate

[lusty hill]

does crash damage values more than the actual torpedo damage?

[neon bronze]

barracudas my beloved. only have 2 breguets and ain't doing pr5 for now

[trail temple]

Most of your torps end up not hitting so

[lusty hill]

bruh i didn't know this meta lol

[neon bronze]

yeah true

[lusty hill]

but wyvern still better than all those right?

[trail temple]

Yes

[untold crater]

Skypirate has really low crash

Which is the king of pvp tb

[lusty hill]

Does that mean I should equip this on both shinano and hiryuu?

[trail temple]

Yes

Definitely

[neon bronze]

they make planes go faster so yes. not sure abt creash dmg

[untold crater]

Yes, more speed and higher plane HP which scales directly with crash damage

Since crash damage is based on %hp of plane

[neon bronze]

poggers

[lusty hill]

this is a revelation

[untold crater]

[trail temple]

(This is still a draft)

[lusty hill]

TIL tenrai isn't meta

[neon bronze]

why Beacon ehh on Shinana in PvP? Does it take up an aux slot where you coulda place the better aux gears on her?

[untold crater]

On Shinano, it can be used still, example Breguet/tenrai/wyvern, use Breguet to make up for timing loss caused by tenrai, whilst keeping some crash damage

[untold crater]

I assume it's red because it can be used but there are better options

[lusty hill]

I assume frontier medal is when enemy has lots of BB, but why is angel's feather there? is it because of eva stats?

[trail temple]

Yeah

Avi and Eva, good stats

Frontier medal can be replaced with catapult, they have the exact same AVI stat

[untold crater]

Honestly prefer using WNT, but usually when you have Shinano you have Hiryuu also, who is better flagship than nano

[trail temple]

wnt is on hiryuu, yeah

[lusty hill]

is this common

[untold crater]

[floral wave]

lmao

is that THE ACTUAL kenny?

[pseudo copper]

Very common

[winged depot]

i've got something like that with a different name

[pseudo copper]

Dw you get 1 more from me

[floral wave]

veston about to get "lel" spammed

[winged depot]

Lmfao

[lusty hill]

is dming people a meta too

like what you do with that information

[pseudo copper]

You can do 2 things, ask them to move, know when they are on to see when they tend to move

[winged depot]

Yeah its kinda a way, sometimes I ping them on discord if I see them

[pseudo copper]

PvPing is just stalking people's time schedules

[lusty hill]

bruh lmao

[pseudo copper]

And pinging them to move

[winged depot]

[untold crater]

thats one way of playing

[stable dawn]

It's generally frowned upon

[pseudo copper]

[rustic bridge]

i wish all entys and warspitea die on pvp

[uncut agate]

be the change you wish to see, kill them yourself

[rustic bridge]

i lose 100% on enty or warspite

[floral wave]

cant remember last time i noticed opponents def fleet having enty or warkai

[untold crater]

Coincidentally, i don't remember the last time i saw you in t100

[empty mesa]

Day one.

[oblique silo]

Musashi NJ Shima can help with that

[trail temple]

Don't you know the Saltybelfast meta? Using random ships together with poor gear and somehow expecting to win

[untold crater]

Level in pvp and keep good gear on 120/125 ships

That's SB tech

Just use spear gears for pvp

[rustic bridge]

[untold crater]

dadcucker 🤔

[rustic bridge]

and i use Badsashi

[trail temple]

You have no excuse for someone of your level to be losing to that second fleet

[untold crater]

He has

Enty

[pseudo copper]

SaltyBelfast using advanced tricks

[untold crater]

[pseudo copper]

You won't get these tactics

[rustic bridge]

enty kill all my ships

[oblique silo]

I wonder why

[rustic bridge]

380mm gun musashi

[trail temple]

My lv100 ships beat the bottom fleet

[rustic bridge]

this fleet has on a lv 10 enty lose

[pseudo copper]

SaltyBelfast best player here

[trail temple]

You're wrong

[rustic bridge]

no

[trail temple]

UNULTRA is the best

[pseudo copper]

Unultra is god

He's not a player

He's transcended beyond that

[trail temple]

You forgot Bucherlord

[pseudo copper]

Bucherlord also not a player

Stop blaspheming the names of these gods

smh

[trail temple]

Bucherlord is only a mere mortal

A very strong mortal at that

[pseudo copper]

You are blind

[trail temple]

That sounds discriminatory

[oblique silo]

MK and Famine as well

[rustic bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-jean-bart-richelieu-kaine-alm-gif-21756586

[pseudo copper]

Are they in here?

[trail temple]

Nah, Salty is definitely better than MK and Famine

[rustic bridge]

give me 460mm gun for musashi

[pseudo copper]

Why stop there? Go use the twin 510mm

[rustic bridge]

this for my bico pleas

[oblique silo]

800mm Gustav is the real meta

[pseudo copper]

800mm is on sub support button only

[floral wave]

i knew there has to be some actual secret tech keeping me from eos100

or actual 100 at any point in the season for that matter

[pseudo copper]

Yeah, not losing or overcapping

Super secret tech

99% of the AL playerbase hadn't discovered it

[floral wave]

no, thats too easy of an excuse

it has to be enty/warkai tech

why blame myself if i can blame others

[untold crater]

Ok but how do you overcap so much

Even i don't overcap as often

[neon bronze]

Irl events, no wifi/data connections, procrastination

[pseudo copper]

Being on discord more than on game

[sand cape]

I can still get aotn despite overcapping multiple times in washy so I'm chilling

[tranquil badge]

well sam, you don't spend your time 24/7 on discord being a pepega

[untold crater]

🧯💨

[floral wave]

oh thats easy, lazy+delusional

[untold crater]

Sounds like me

Where do your delusions lie

[floral wave]

keeping fights until last 10 minutes even on 3am reset, which is usually the one i oversleep

[untold crater]

Why don't u do brah strat

Rush r1 3h earlier unlike late week 2

[dreamy lance]

He wants 2600, stable 2594 not good enough for him

[floral wave]

i should

never actually wanted 2600

2590 first

[untold crater]

Think u can t5 easy but straight chillin with your overcaps

[floral wave]

i mean im aware what needs fixing

just didnt manage to fix it, yet

[untold crater]

Will we see a 90 before 2023?

[dreamy lance]

You should coach him

[floral wave]

[dreamy lance]

https://tenor.com/view/coach-coaching-coach-carter-ken-carter-basket-gif-13606181

[floral wave]

noidontthinkso

[pseudo copper]

Yukana teaching overcap strats?

[untold crater]

I don't need to teach him that, he does it better than me

[pseudo copper]

Yukana about to get lessons from Stryk then?

[floral wave]

lmao

[pseudo copper]

Overcapping 101 for overcap beginners - Provided by stryk

[floral wave]

from beginner for beginners

[untold crater]

[floral wave]

100% trust

[pseudo copper]

You qualify as overcap expert once you overcap more than Yukana

[untold crater]

Overcap 364 exer since i started playing

no szn skipped, just pure overcap while trying to eos

[zinc phoenix]

On shinano, wyvern - suisei12 - wyvern is ideal?

What auxes?

[hot monolith]

Ooooy everyone ! i'm looking for a meta fleet rn, actually got hyriuu / shina / musashi and yukikaze, roon and sandiego as vanguard (actually looking to switch one of them for Juneau), any advice ? ❤️

[torpid shuttle]

sandy for juneau and roon for not roon

how's your anchorage progress?

[hot monolith]

Still not on it 😱 Any ship will be better ? Yudachi will do the job ?

[torpid shuttle]

well, yes, i guess

[hot monolith]

Thanks !!

[torpid shuttle]

do you have noshiro

[hot monolith]

Nope !

Still nooby on the game

[torpid shuttle]

well she's from WA, pretty sure she is better than ykk

[hot monolith]

Mmmm will look for it then !!

Should do some screenshots of my crew but i got so much now i dunno where to start haha

[stoic moon]

do it, the ppl here can handle your dock

[untold crater]

[torpid shuttle]

well his backline is already top, but vanguard is fucked

just an ancho dif

[neon bronze]

A mix of Juneau, Ayanami, and/or Noshiro.
Anchorage is practically a requirement for those with sweaty hands.

[lime folio]

Fix your posture and drink water

[torpid shuttle]

o i forgot about aya aug

[neon bronze]

is amagi t100 right now all rushers?

T1 has a guy with like +90 points

to me

[lusty hill]

my opponent was climbing but they switch to fleet that is impossible to beat

[neon bronze]

did i overcap without my knowledge

[winged depot]

its mixed with baggers and rushers

[neon bronze]

partially makes sense that i lost 2 times while rushing on the first 6 days, missing out on at most around 30-50 points

[untold crater]

Thats not exactly how it works

Since you get 0 points for a loss, you'll still be in the rank that gives you all those points

[pseudo copper]

No

Was mixed for a while

[warm crow]

can i still reach aotn if i overcapped 5 matches?

[untold crater]

Yeah

For aotn set just 0/10 beforehand and 0/10 again as soon as the new set begins and you should be good

Simply sandbag normally until then

[winged depot]

just run it down at every reset once its aotn time

[lime folio]

I only rush on Fridays

I'm like 60 point ahead

cause tbh if your rush early you're just giving more opportunity for ppl still stalling to get more points ahead of u

and everyone is still waiting in Avrora rn

[candid sluice]

[lusty hill]

how much rank difference I need to get bonus if I'm in top 1000

[trail temple]

Varies

You want rank score

Which is +35

[lusty hill]

yeah if only I can check the rank other than top 100

like do you guys have estimate that would usually give bonus?

[neon bronze]

mine is +100 of ur rank for 10 rank score

wait

yeah it's aight at this moment

[trail temple]

Yeah you make an educated guess based on what top 100 is and where that person is in respect to you

[pseudo copper]

If you bag hard enough only some t100 start giving bonuses

[uncut agate]

stalk them

[lusty hill]

How to beat shimakaze if I don't have shimakaze

[warm crow]

ayanami can be a poorman's substitute for shima. but if youre talking about stopping her torps, anchorage smoke already does that for the vanguard -- however, if your backline gets sniped then just reset

[uncut agate]

try yuudachi

https://tenor.com/view/yuudachi-azur-lane-kronosaurus-animal-ears-happy-gif-20453982

[lusty hill]

idk why but my anchorage still can't stop her and I've been resetting multiple times

ban shima pvp

[candid sluice]

Evasion speed stack

[still marsh]

how do you reset a fight?

[pseudo copper]

Pause and leave the fight

[still marsh]

you won't lose the attempt?

[pseudo copper]

Then renter it

No

[still marsh]

[trail temple]

No, the attempt is consumed after the completion of the exercise

[still marsh]

can i leave and refresh/select another opponent?

[trail temple]

Yes

[still marsh]

[neon bronze]

but then there's no possible +11 gain instead of +10 if you're RALH

[floral wave]

thats if you refresh the list, not when you reset a fight

[trail temple]

You can refresh into a +11

[neon bronze]

it's possible?

[pseudo copper]

Yeah

[untold crater]

You need to be in a certain rank range

[hot monolith]

Almost got Ayanami retro, just finished Juneau, so in the end i just need to go get Ancho !!

[neon bronze]

you can do it

[hot monolith]

Wanna finish my prinz rupp and she will be my next target

[hot monolith]

Is my main gun good enough ??

[leaden sky]

No, you want fast gun

Use twin 410 purple or the kai version

[untold crater]

356mm gear lab ijn blue gun

[floral wave]

thats probably the worst gun you could use

[untold crater]

Not at all lol

[floral wave]

well, maybe rivaled by quads

gun doesnt matter if it doesnt manage to shoot

[untold crater]

Talk Abt non ijn slow gun

[untold crater]

True, but when is your Musashi dying 20s into battle consistently

[floral wave]

true

[untold crater]

Now getting 2 shots off

A lot harder with that gun

[floral wave]

youd basically have to make that one salvo be a winning one

[untold crater]

Pretty much

[hot monolith]

This one will do the trick ?

[floral wave]

yep

[leaden sky]

Imagine not using that gun with double autoloader

[untold crater]

Turn that into Kai in gear lab

[floral wave]

or even the blue one if you have it

[hot monolith]

Gonna check the gear lab, not a pro with it, almost never made a gun with it

[untold crater]

Personally prefer this gun on her

[leaden sky]

I just use that purple gun kai version, cuz im using her in pve too

[whole salmon]

Yukana has been brainwashed into using Lexington tech

[untold crater]

Ngl

[floral wave]

topright one

or 2nd from left

[hot monolith]

Yeay i got the mat to turn it into kai !

[untold crater]

I've never bothered using 410kai

[whole salmon]

Both works

Ehh really?

I thought most people start with 410 kai first

A lot called 356 as copium

[floral wave]

i did

[untold crater]

I tested 356mm vs a fleet i had 50% wr, i go 8-2 with super unlucky losses, i keep that gun

[floral wave]

eh, 356 not as copium

id try mikasa gun even

if i had it

[untold crater]

Which is Mikasa gun

[floral wave]

twin 305 iirc

but it has normal ammo

[untold crater]

🤔

[floral wave]

so probably not worth

[whole salmon]

The barrage makes up for it

[floral wave]

for being barely faster

[whole salmon]

Between Mikasa gun and 356

[whole salmon]

356 still has burn

[hot monolith]

Better ?

[leaden sky]

Yes

[hot monolith]

Noice, thanks team!!

[leaden sky]

Now u can use her in both pve and pvp

[whole salmon]

Cope with Lexington tech double Cosmic Kicks

[wanton radish]

Bruh i lost two UR banners one after another

Shinano and Musashi

[untold crater]

This i will never be on board, despise that gear

[hot monolith]

I need to go get that anchor

[floral wave]

are you sure ijn torps is lexi tech

[wanton radish]

And i grinded the living hell out of me to get them

[whole salmon]

[wanton radish]

And nothing

[whole salmon]

Don’t worry, Lexington also has VH Shinano tech

[floral wave]

is it still the simulation of ancho red skill lvl1?

[leaden sky]

I initially wanted to get another kicks, but doing 60 runs feels 😔

[floral wave]

or whats the ijn torps for

[hot monolith]

i need to pex this team (and replace sandy with ancho)

[floral wave]

hiryuu flag

[untold crater]

Swap order

[floral wave]

or sushi flag

[hot monolith]

ya ?

[untold crater]

Sushi flag if no wnt

Juneau tank, Aya middle

Probably can use Helena over sandy to beat the harder fleets

[hot monolith]

omg i totally forgot the order count in pvp as well for tanks etc ..

okay gonna put helena there ! oathed and everything so perfect match for me

(damn still 120, so late with the 125 for all my ships 😭 )

[pseudo copper]

Why would anyone call it copium?

Literally Musashi barrage broken

[floral wave]

it was at the very beginning

[pseudo copper]

[floral wave]

im still using purple tho

for meeb

[hot monolith]

anyway thanks everyone !! gonna full farm my pvp team o// (next step is the stuff for everyone )

[floral wave]

the hard part

[untold crater]

[pseudo copper]

Hard part is not overcapping

[hot monolith]

Taking my time, waiting for my ops mat to be full, i'm missing so much

[pseudo copper]

[floral wave]

did you get the pvp auxes from collection/memento thing?

[hot monolith]

Need to go get some strongholds but my team is so weak i don't even want to try 😭

[floral wave]

i mean, you have musashi, that makes everything in the game a lot easier

[whole salmon]

They prefer 410 over it

[hot monolith]

Problem is mainly my vanguard everytime

[whole salmon]

Which is fine tbh

[floral wave]

btw @whole salmon do you have ply gun?

[whole salmon]

I’m using this currently

[hot monolith]

Waiting for something tanky like agir/azuma at max to survive at least more than 10 seconds

[whole salmon]

I have Aquila and Harbin geared

And I will switch in incase of emergency

[floral wave]

in pve portland is good enough for most content tbh

[whole salmon]

The benefit of having 3 +13 Wyverns is that you don’t need to switch gear between your CVs

[untold crater]

Same but aql and Juneau tank

[whole salmon]

[pseudo copper]

Only CA that works in pvp is Ancho atm

[floral wave]

do you manjuu the juneau @untold crater ?

[hot monolith]

Was talking about pve, ancho is on her way for my team !! (After my rupp and azuma for pve)

[untold crater]

No i manjuu the sashi

[whole salmon]

Pvp is that you either use Ancho

Or you don’t use a CA

[floral wave]

weirdchamp

[whole salmon]

[hot monolith]

[untold crater]

NJ manjuu is what I use

[whole salmon]

NJ is so paper smh

[floral wave]

tank juneau with no manjuu

[whole salmon]

She dies faster than my Juneau

I might have to go tank Juneau eventually

[untold crater]

When she's getting sniped by weeb fleet in 5s, kinda want it

[floral wave]

anyways, @whole salmon you got ply gun?

[whole salmon]

Not yet

Soon tm

40 print

Having dev 30 Ply and Brest but no gun

Once I have it, I will yeet back to PR4

[floral wave]

wanna try testing juneau ply gun instead of whatever you default use when you get it?

[whole salmon]

Use it on Musashi as aux

[floral wave]

most probably, yeah

[untold crater]

Not me equipping sashi ply gun just because i don't believe in CL dmg

Any good plym testing yet?

[floral wave]

if you were to use harbin+ply

[whole salmon]

I have seen someone use Ply with triple BB

[floral wave]

ply offtank, no?

[leaden sky]

Ply+harbin just sounds like ez vg wiped

[floral wave]

as in enemy vg?

[leaden sky]

Both ig

[floral wave]

i mean third slot would be ancho

[leaden sky]

And more rng

[floral wave]

anyways still 4 dev lvls to go

and 9 prints

[leaden sky]

Im alr tired of doing pr5

Need to finish 3rd tenrai

[untold crater]

Plym dev30 lv 90

[floral wave]

dev 26 lvl 125

[untold crater]

Lazy player gets better rng i guess

[floral wave]

i used her to grind drek xp

[pseudo copper]

Who's Ply?

[floral wave]

plymouth

[pseudo copper]

Who's that?

[floral wave]

weirdchamp

i feel like im getting baited here ngl

[neon bronze]

someone that's bad

[floral wave]

[neon bronze]

in pvp. go ask at #gameplay-help

[stable dawn]

[candid sluice]

[floral wave]

how do you know shes bad at pvp tho

[neon bronze]

she's not anchorage

[floral wave]

neither is harbin, shima, juneau, noshiro, duca

[neon bronze]

or Harbin, Noshiro, Duca, or Juneau

[floral wave]

wtf is this reasoning

[untold crater]

She hasn't been tested yet in pvp

Her skills look decent enough

[neon bronze]

sure if you can make a pvp fleet that works with her i'll change my mind

[floral wave]

thats my point

then dont say shes bad before she even gets tested

[winged depot]

just test her and then say she's bad if you're satisfied with what you found

you might even find her useful

[neon bronze]

ok, win 4 u. i don't even have her

blue skill looks interesting to me though.

[floral wave]

mg3 looks interesting

and lack of preload looks concerning

[untold crater]

Would be interesting to see gun CL work in pvp again

Most CL from recent memory are either torp based (Duca, Noshiro, Harbin) or their damage isn't taken into consideration (Juneau)

[candid sluice]

was there a gun based vanguard ship that was ever used

[empty mesa]

Azuma?

[untold crater]

For their dps? Not that i really remember, only Belfast maybe, but even her it was mainly the smokescreen no?

[uncut agate]

[untold crater]

Mainly her DR, no?

[uncut agate]

Yes

[untold crater]

I don't think i saw Seattle put out much dps

Feels like for the longest time all VG is good for is torpedoes and survival

[candid sluice]

literally

[untold crater]

Would be nice to see a change, but don't expect one anytime soon

[lusty hill]

why do enemy anchorage can block all attack while mine always get damaged

[untold crater]

Maybe youre using the wrong torps

[lusty hill]

I mean ancho still got a preload regardless of any torps but still my vanguard always get damaged in the first few seconds while the opponent seems invincible

[neon bronze]

maybe they used the PR research french torps? noticed it while using it myself, it's faster compared to the triple mag torp for general use

[untold crater]

Vanguard yeah, anchorage is the only one immune, the rest have increased Eva rate inside the smokescreen

[lusty hill]

Really? I thought the invincibility was for the whole vanguard

[candid sluice]

other ships get the evarate

[rustic bridge]

No chance

[untold crater]

Yeah that's gg there

[candid sluice]

try again next season

[hot monolith]

Here i am again, don't have any oil left so i'm trying to check the best equipment for shinano now still cannot get a reliable source for her stuff (only got the git and it's for PVE) so here it is if anyone got advices

[candid sluice]

give her wyverns

[neon bronze]

Do you have the Breguet, parallel torp bombers? Useful if you don't have Wyverns.

[hot monolith]

got the breget on my hyriuu actually ! I'm checking how to get the wyverns

[pseudo copper]

Gearlab

[hot monolith]

(my comp be hyriuu shina and musa for the backline)

[pseudo copper]

You get 1 in first 2 months and 4 out of 9 prints each month after

[floral wave]

breguet/barracuda for slots 1/3

helldiver slot 2

[candid sluice]

[floral wave]

wut

mans got no wyverns

[pseudo copper]

From guaranteed prints, non-guaranteed also exist. For now just put the Breguet on Shina 3rd slot and Barra rest

[hot monolith]

🤔 trying to find where are those prints

[pseudo copper]

Replace bow with sceptre, aux can change depending on your options

[pseudo copper]

3 in shop, the right 3 guaranteed if you clear them

And 1 more from arbiter

Want 1 avi gas on each CV at least

[hot monolith]

can make a purple baracuda, worth it ?

[neon bronze]

no, gold barracudas

[hot monolith]

oki

[neon bronze]

wanted

[pseudo copper]

Purp barra better than other options you can have prob

[hot monolith]

print supposed to be in the core shop ??

ho nvm got two barra left from non pvp ships yeay

[floral wave]

ur prints? in opsi port shops

[hot monolith]

eee can't barracuda on the second slot tho

hooo from opsi

[floral wave]

first and thirs

third*

[hot monolith]

that's why i didn't get those

no breguet then ?

[floral wave]

why

[hot monolith]

suisei is good for second ?

[floral wave]

first and 3rd slot are parallel tbs

and id use helldiver

suisei is to mitigate long reload of double wyvern

and barracuda/breguet wont suffer from that

[hot monolith]

trying to find an helldiver rn then

(i'm so late on the stuff , never tried to optimize it)

helldiver supposed to be gold ?

[candid sluice]

purble

gold one is in gear lab

[hot monolith]

allright ! got one then, thanks!!

looking like this now, and gonna check for the wyverns then

[candid sluice]

enhance more

[hot monolith]

Once i get money 😭 can't even get the scepter for now

[candid sluice]

tap auto button a few times ull get it

[hot monolith]

[rustic bridge]

what a cv where good for pvp (lexi remove)

[candid sluice]

hiryu

[untold crater]

Hiryuu good

[hot monolith]

okay im in for a long time to get those wyverns, if only i knew it from the beginning got 0/9 and not even enough to get a firecrest

(and don't have enough oil for the opsi refresh )

[candid sluice]

you dont need to buy the oil pack for opsi

clear the regions one by one

[lusty hill]

How would you guys compare the performance of yuudachi, ayanami, and yukikaze?

Cuz I've been using ayanami and even though I can defeat their backline, I still lose the vanguard battle

And musashi/shinano/hiryuu can't do shits against anchorage at short distance

Also what's the gear for anchorage? Idk why but my anchorage seems so fragile compared to enemy anchorage

[untold crater]

Musashi shreds VG ships

What secondary of you have

[candid sluice]

pins

[lusty hill]

The purple gun

[floral wave]

purple secondary?

[rustic bridge]

i play not opsi my gears are to Bad

[neon bronze]

holy shit i forgot abt the 3 AM restock

and i'm about to sleep

pretty sure i spent all my refresjes since i encountered a guy with a fleet i could'nt beat before soemome shouts

3 refrrshes to get this one guy out of my 4 opponents

[empty mesa]

Who was it? I am curious.

[candid sluice]

probably Unultra

[empty mesa]

[pseudo copper]

RIP

Here lies Unultra victim #69420

[lunar echo]

Good taste

[steel coral]

125 Ranger

[stable dawn]

pvp has always been easy

[rustic bridge]

pvp is a hell

[high lichen]

^

[rustic bridge]

I lose every game

[high lichen]

I haven't tried it yet I wanna

[winged depot]

Skill issue

[neon bronze]

Nah not Unultra, it's some guy starting with letter Z

[untold crater]

znon?

[neon bronze]

A five letter name iirc

[neon bronze]

The fleet was Musashi, New Jersey, Preload Aquila iirc

[trail temple]

You know pvp has become easy when even the KMS mains can make it

[neon bronze]

Sadge

130-150 points behind T10, lost thrice now

[lusty hill]

you emptied your tries?

[neon bronze]

ye

realization

doing 5 exercises just after restock maximizes the chances for a +11 gain?

[lusty hill]

not really

if your opponent have at least 35 more score than you then you could get the bonus

[warm crow]

only if youre lucky and someone on your list rushes after restock

[nocturne bough]

what isminimum pvp rank difference for bonus point

nvm

[untold crater]

35 point difference, not rank

[neon bronze]

damn

this iEclipse guy finally forced me to go Meeb

fecking strong-ass Mafia defense fleet

gear review?

wait Martyr is on lvl 1 pepega

[neon bronze]

correction, wrong fleet.

[pseudo copper]

Put the Wyvern on Shina instead of Hiryuu, use fuel on Shina instead of cata, might wanna run WNT on flag, FCR on Musashi. Rest seems fine ig. if no 2nd fuel put oil tank.

Musashi secondary can change too

125ing helps a lot as each level difference is 2% damage dealt red if lower and 2% taken

Also put aug on Ancho

[neon bronze]

greatsword on ancho, okay

cba to swap though, syncing loadouts on bluestacks instance and phone sucks ass

[neon bronze]

wait

fid i overcap

did

[untold crater]

Unless you didn't pvp 15 minutes ago

Yes

[neon bronze]

iirc i busted all my attempts yesterday

can't verify rn bcs the proof is on pc

[winged depot]

you're fine then

[candid sluice]

do a pace check

;pace tickets score

[pseudo copper]

In another server sadly as ALO don't have it

[neon bronze]

current t1 is 1919, and t100 is around 1875~

im at 1850

rip

[lunar echo]

First time getting one of these lol

[pseudo copper]

[lusty hill]

He also messaged me few days ago

[nimble wagon]

why

[untold crater]

For points

[neon bronze]

huh i could reach t100

do i stop rushing today

[ocean prairie]

for pvp, is shinano, percy, aquila, or uni better

[torpid shuttle]

uni is worst of the preloader cvs, shinano goes with weeb fleet

depends on the rest of ur fleet comp

[ocean prairie]

This is what I have rn, but it’s probably not good

[torpid shuttle]

do you have musashi, anchorage, duca?

[ocean prairie]

i have duca

musashi isnt MLB

dont have anchorage

[wicked surge]

You can also get June

[thorn obsidian]

Kron?

[ocean prairie]

I have kronk

[torpid shuttle]

kron isnt a strong pick

[thorn obsidian]

Kron can replace ancho till ancho

[ocean prairie]

better than azumama?

[wicked surge]

Azuma is the weakest CB

[thorn obsidian]

Azuma is like, Eugen level in Cb standards

[wicked surge]

And anchor is usually used over cb in pvp

[torpid shuttle]

eugen is eugen level in cb standards

eugen's tankier than azuma

[thorn obsidian]

Yeah but when no ancho, Kron next best

[ocean prairie]

These are my VG options. I can level anyone if needed so just give me comp advice

[wicked surge]

Might as well use agir

[torpid shuttle]

Agir is awful

[ocean prairie]

I don’t have agir either

[torpid shuttle]

gets torn assholes by shima

[thorn obsidian]

My point being comparing the CA tanks to CB tanks , Eugen and Azuma are similar

[thorn obsidian]

I’ve used Kron with no issues

[wicked surge]

Ah, haven’t ran non meta for a while

[torpid shuttle]

can you beat the top meta fleets

[thorn obsidian]

What’s a top meta fleet, I’m in the top 2k rn

If I was more active, with rng, sure

[ocean prairie]

so is kronk, shima, and poikai a good VG comp?

[thorn obsidian]

Juneau over poi

But if no Juneau, poi

[ocean prairie]

i have juneau kai, but she isnt leveled and neither is her skills

[thorn obsidian]

My comp was
Percy/vanguard/Warkai
Kron/Shima/poikai

[ocean prairie]

ill use her when i build her

[thorn obsidian]

Until I got Juneau and ancho and musha

[torpid shuttle]

i think duca over poi should be better

[wicked surge]

Pin

[torpid shuttle]

i havent been positive

[thorn obsidian]

Smh can’t understand sarcasm

[ocean prairie]

i have duca but her skills arent leveled and shes only 105 rn'

well her skills are 10/6/7

still have some work to do

[torpid shuttle]

this means future raises or sit on suboptimal fleet

[thorn obsidian]

Sub optimal fleet while raising the best ships

That’s your method

[ocean prairie]

Ok now who do I use for my backline

wait its not showing everyone

[torpid shuttle]

in the future, musashi shinano hiryuu

the alternative was musashi NJ aquila

[ocean prairie]

So I’m guessing UVH NJ Aquila is the best option rn

[torpid shuttle]

sure

[ocean prairie]

now do i want preload on aquila?

i assume so

[trail temple]

Definitely

[torpid shuttle]

divebomber aquila yes

No

zoomer fleet is NJ vanny aquila

[ocean prairie]

vanny is vanguard right

[torpid shuttle]

yes

uvh is being tested in some triple bb comp, nothing on it yet

[ocean prairie]

Which one does VG want

[torpid shuttle]

twin 457

[ocean prairie]

Or give her rainbow gun and give NJ purple/gold

[ocean prairie]

where do u get this

and what does it look like

[torpid shuttle]

i dont see it in your depot, so here is the budget pvp gun

bottom right twin gun

BBs wear AP except musashi to kill backline

twin 457 is rainbow twin gun from PR2

[ocean prairie]

ah

[ocean prairie]

well i cant craft that gun either

i havent played much opsi

[torpid shuttle]

can u use pr3 406/50 mle

[ocean prairie]

the only AP gun i have is triple 410

[torpid shuttle]

ngl, sounds like u should just finish musashi faster and do musashi shinano hiryuu

[torpid shuttle]

i guess give nj a twin and vanny a triple 410

the twin 406 skc

mmmm

idk

table nj triple 410 idk

[rustic bridge]

time to Die i kill enty on this

[leaden sky]

op musashi strat

[rustic bridge]

no entys on day on pvp

[candid sluice]

Level up that skill man

[rustic bridge]

No books

[candid sluice]

What do u have

[ocean prairie]

how do you run out of books

[rustic bridge]

no dailys

First enty and my Power fleet is to low

[torpid shuttle]

@candid sluice could you eyeball the conversation from here

[candid sluice]

Damn that guy has taste in wifu

[rustic bridge]

sweet fleet

[candid sluice]

That guy doesn’t have musashi?

Can just go weeb backline

[rustic bridge]

He has my back dead bomb

Lose

Fast lose

[untold crater]

NJ/Shinano/Hiryuu backline, level up Juneau and Seattle, then you can have a Juneau/Shimakaze/Seattle Frontline until you get anchorage

Whenever your Musashi is ready you can swap to NJ/Musashi/Aquila

[rustic bridge]

9 lose 1 win

[steel coral]

1 win is all that matters

[rustic bridge]

457mm gun is dirt

[untold crater]

On Musashi yes

She wants ijn gun

[rustic bridge]

Have no ijn guns

[untold crater]

Make blue for very cheap

[torpid shuttle]

is seattle better than duca and yuu here?

[rustic bridge]

Ok only this

[untold crater]

Better than Duca outside of mafia, and yuudachi also

[torpid shuttle]

alr

[rustic bridge]

need a blue gun

[untold crater]

🤔

[rustic bridge]

I say have no luck on good gears

[untold crater]

1-4 for a bit

[candid sluice]

💀

[coral wren]

https://imgur.com/a/S0nWxu8

What fleet do I use for pvp. Need 300 medals quick.

[untold crater]

NJ/Warspite/Richelieu/Juneau/ayanami/Helena

Man that fleet is hella scuffed

[coral wren]

Good or bad

[untold crater]

Hard to make much better

You're lacking a lot of ships

[coral wren]

I don't play too much

[empty mesa]

Skipped Musashi event?

[untold crater]

Looks like NJ is his only UR

[coral wren]

I'm pretty much f2p atm so I can't afford events

And lack of frequency of playing I lack cubes

[untold crater]

Just pull 1 from light a day, do 3 HM a day and you will have always cubes for every event

[coral wren]

I need to get rid of sum ships so I can get metals so I can retro uni

[frigid hamlet]

makes sense, if you play regularly then you can very much afford every gacha UR

retrofit blueprints in medal shop are overpriced

[untold crater]

Just need 10 minutes a day to never lack cubes

[coral wren]

I missed the one I wanted more than everything else. I'd trade nj for her.

Ironblood wife

[empty mesa]

[untold crater]

Ah

[coral wren]

Who was your first oath

[untold crater]

Akagi

[coral wren]

Nagato for meh

She was my first sr

[untold crater]

Akagi my first 120

Needed her for pvp wins

[coral wren]

Too bad there's better ships now. Haven't used her in forever. But she's still wife and secretary.

Current secretary's: nagato, fdg, amagi

[untold crater]

That's an old pvp comp

[coral wren]

I'm working on getting one of the Ironblood pr4s rn

So what's with this augment crap and when did pr5 get added

[floral wave]

3 months ago or so

[coral wren]

Dann

[sour dagger]

If anyone here is adderall on Washington thank you for not setting a super sweaty fleet

[untold crater]

[candid sluice]

If anyone here is yukana on amagi thanks for not setting a gamer defense fleet

[untold crater]

no problem

[lusty hill]

How many rank differences to get +12?

[winged depot]

points, around 71 points

[lusty hill]

Ah yes that's what I meant thanks

[rustic bridge]

ibecome never a bb ijn gub for my musashi

[winged depot]

cool

[lusty hill]

how to make my rank climb down instead of up faster, like i'm around 300 right now and I want around 800 to get bonus when I fight

I put weak fleet but it takes hours

[untold crater]

I tried so hard to understand

[warm crow]

don't attack and let other players get more points than you

[lusty hill]

my rank is 300 now but I want to be 800, how

[warm crow]

doesnt matter how weak your defense is since you dont lose points by losing defenses

[lusty hill]

yeah I've been waiting for 2 hours or something but it barely moved

[warm crow]

the ones on your list are probably sandbagging as well so they are waiting for others to move up on their list like you

[untold crater]

Why do you want to be 800

[lusty hill]

so that I can fight my opponent which is around 300 and get bonus

[untold crater]

Bonus is based on point difference, not rank, why would you want a bonus at less points?

[lusty hill]

well if i'm at 800 and my opponent is still at 300 that means they have higher score difference than me therefore I could get bonus

[untold crater]

Why don't you want a bonus when at rank 300

[warm crow]

if youre at 300 and your opponent is at <100 you will still get a bonus though

[lusty hill]

yeah but my opponent is still around 300

[untold crater]

Sometimes they move late yeah

[lusty hill]

I can't ask them to climb can't I

[untold crater]

But if you were rank 800, your list would have people near rank 800

[warm crow]

dm them

[untold crater]

Your problem would stay, you'd need to wait for them to move, regardless of your rank

[craggy cliff]

[lusty hill]

hmm that make sense

[warm crow]

you can refresh if you think those on your list wont move until the last few minutes

[warm crow]

does hiryuu's final counter consume an airstrike load? i.e. if she's almost finished loading an airstrike and procs final counter, does she launch an airstrike twice (regular airstrike + final counter) or just once?

[untold crater]

Nope

It launches a separate airstrike when FC is activated, does not interfere with Airstrike timer

[untold crater]

2 in this case

[warm crow]

that's pretty op

[untold crater]

She then takes no damage for 15s which is almost enough time for another airstrike

[warm crow]

so at least two airstrikes per battle, nice

[velvet tapir]

any ship suggestion for counter new jersey

[torpid shuttle]

win with musashi

[velvet tapir]

just if i have her along with musashi, i accidentally building the meta setup

[lusty hill]

Ayanami can snipe her if you're lucky enough

[untold crater]

New Jersey

[untold crater]

Show dock, can make you a meta fleet for pvp

[floral wave]

sounds like he wants to counter nj without making a meta fleet

[untold crater]

I don't think he was talking about that meta

I thought didn't want to swap out meta equips

[floral wave]

didnt think of that, youre probably right

[neon bronze]

... No

Context: opponent NJ and them left, NJ proc'd EUEDC and fired at the same time Hiryuu loaded an airstrike, Hiryuu already proc'd her Final Counter a salvo ago)

[floral wave]

just go agane

[neon bronze]

Hloy fucking shit this shit almost!!!

Insta-lose manjuus!

Ancho won, god damn those 4 loading manjuus wanna made me hrngh

[thorny bridge]

do yall put juneau on the left or right in pvp?

[floral wave]

usually offtank

[neon bronze]

i encountered a mafia fleet with juneau on mid, sandwiched between ancho and shima

[floral wave]

did it work

[neon bronze]

that was back when i used musa - vang - hiryuu

when i finally beat one (posted abt jt back then) i was elated

but then i just can't beat this variant, even switched hiryuu to chise i still couldn't

so i just refreshed list and went on my merry way

i probably think that juneau had the pearls tears aux on her

Lemme see in my screenshots in phone

[floral wave]

doesnt really matter, cant heal dead allies

people used juneau offtank with double gyro so she doesnt die too late

mid with pearls wont work most of the time

[neon bronze]

what probably happened:

beat opposing shima
my vanguard at low health
opposing nj 15s barrage, my vang get dmged further/hiryuu gets hit
BBs fire their salvos and barrages, bringing them to low ass health on both sides' backlines
my vanguards die on the crossfire (my ancho back then didn't have EUEDC), opposing ancho survives a bit and/or proc'd EUEDC, opposing juneau sinks, proc'ing her Martyr skill, healing backline enough to prevent my hiryuu to sink opposing backline to sink from her barrage
hiryuu launches her airstrike, she's probably the only one left while an ancho and the entire backline bully her

i then restart fight

even copium shima's preload would wound a single backline then pearl's tears and/or martyr skill would just heal 'em just enough and a bit for them to not sink to atlantis

[candid sluice]

[rustic bridge]

habe a ijn gun of my musashi now

[untold crater]

[rustic bridge]

I hate entys

[untold crater]

She is best ship

[rustic bridge]

Is to strong impossible to kill

I have only fuck dirt gear

[pseudo copper]

True that

Same

[open peak]

Do you guys think nelson's pennant of victory is worth to +13 and put on musashi? or rather something else?

[floral wave]

youd rather +13 eva/hit auxes instead

wnt/beaver

[lime folio]

Hmmm

Should I rush and claim AoTN

or wait till the last day for the ranking excel sheet

[empty mesa]

AotN ASAP.

[winged depot]

Oh shit its aotn time

[lunar echo]

Suffering from success

2 points off of a bonus lol

[untold crater]

Looks like 3 points off to me

[lunar echo]

...You're right

I can't math lmao

[untold crater]

[lunar echo]

Not sure why I'm being so sweaty about it at all, really

My odds of getting in that prize pool are about as long as winning the lottery lol

[steel coral]

Never know if you don't try

[frigid hamlet]

you boost someone else on your server

[lusty hill]

I lost once on my way to rush for aotn now I can't make it this reset

[untold crater]

[winged depot]

still many resets

[dreamy lance]

Hello, anyone who hasn't hit AoTN yet?

🙋

[untold crater]

Me

[midnight heron]

gotta love how pvp has turned full p2w 👏

[untold crater]

There is no p2w aspect to pvp

[midnight heron]

bs

[untold crater]

Literally 4month old accounts that are f2p can top the leaderboard

[midnight heron]

im getting walled rn by someone with full oathed fleet and thats not p2w?

[untold crater]

Your gears are worse

Or your fleet comp is worse

Simple

[midnight heron]

+13 gear with mafia fleet is worse

ok

[untold crater]

Yes

Mafia is not current meta

Show fleet + gears

[midnight heron]

https://imgur.com/a/VFee5TJ lmk whats wrong then

cant tell me its not p2w if i cant win with a fleet like this unless i reset 20x

[untold crater]

Yeah looks like comp gap

No Shima no musashi

[midnight heron]

shima is a nogo cuz ive tested

she lowers winrate even further

[untold crater]

Literally deletes backlines but ok

[midnight heron]

yea if u hit

which is what 1 out of how many tries

[lusty hill]

your fleet seems like crazy strong for me

[untold crater]

I don't think i can make a comp with Shima and have my winrate go up by removing her

[candid sluice]

Attacker has a massive buff 💀

[midnight heron]

thats the results i got ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[untold crater]

You cannot complain about 6% stat buff from oaths when attacker has 20% DR

It's purely comp gap

[midnight heron]

20% dr when im getting burned for more dmg and enemy gets healed more by their juneau

[untold crater]

Get Musashi, get Shimakaze, your wr will improve tremendously

[midnight heron]

not rly a good point

and they shoot more of my planes down

[candid sluice]

Tf u getting burned by

[untold crater]

What

[candid sluice]

Use your own juneau

[midnight heron]

shells burn ofc

[midnight heron]

already using

[midnight heron]

and who do u replace

[candid sluice]

Then why is their jun a problem

[midnight heron]

cuz theyre healing more due to oath hp bonus?

[candid sluice]

💀

[untold crater]

I can't recall resetting vs anyone except the exact same team comp

I have only 2 oaths

[untold crater]

Why don't you mention the fact that you take 20% less damage? That heavily outweighs the heal

[winged depot]

oath is not necessary when doing pvp

[midnight heron]

k np i'll see if i can find the same opponent to test

[winged depot]

like I got top 10 without using a shima and nj ever

[midnight heron]

problem is that only makes sense in theory

[winged depot]

and I started this year

[midnight heron]

in practice u see diff results

[untold crater]

Sure, so were you losing to the exact comp you have? (Mafia w/ Juneau)?

[candid sluice]

It’s pretty obvious when u have significantly higher winrate on attack compared to defense

[midnight heron]

no

[untold crater]

Or was it a different fleet comp

[midnight heron]

lemme take a ss

[candid sluice]

If u wanna bring up p2w at least talk about the whale bonus

[midnight heron]

nvm hes not within top100 rn but fleet was musashi/nj/shinano/ancho/shima/juneau

[dreamy lance]

Truly a Haloist moment, top fleets have all switched to meme defenses and still getting walled

[untold crater]

You can only ever complain about p2w if that's the only difference between your fleet and his fleet, if you're losing to a completely different comp than what you have... Maybe it's not the oaths but the ships

[midnight heron]

isnt that precisely why im getting triggered 🛌

[untold crater]

This will never be the case btw, in a mirror match between non oathed and oathed, non oathed on offense still has higher wr.

[dreamy lance]

Who's the name of the player you are struggling against? I'm going to assume its Lexington because Sandy kind of lacks

[untold crater]

Your 20% DR will always outweigh oath bonus

[whole salmon]

No top Lexington player is running max defense this season tho

[untold crater]

Mksman

[midnight heron]

tbf if my winrate drops so hard against a very specific fleet then how do u make a case of "he just has better fleet than u"

[whole salmon]

We are all running stupid fleets due to the competition

[midnight heron]

i didnt have that much problems against other fleets

just this one

[dreamy lance]

Mksman is the best player @untold crater

[candid sluice]

Shimakaze

[untold crater]

Is this not exactly the case...

[dreamy lance]

And he will forever be

[whole salmon]

Mhm yeah I do run this comp

[untold crater]

Or do you never fight oathed fleets.

[whole salmon]

Plasma runs it as well now

[midnight heron]

yea its plasma

[dreamy lance]

Yes that explains a lot

You might have difficulties with his fleet with Mafia

[untold crater]

Just comp gapped

[winged depot]

of all the people

[whole salmon]

Tbf of all people you could have met

[candid sluice]

Full +13 and better comp

[whole salmon]

You met Plasma

So that’s just sadge moment

[dreamy lance]

Of all people you could've gotten walled by, he has the best fleet at the moment

[untold crater]

Mk better

[whole salmon]

He got like the best fleet of the server

[dreamy lance]

Not too embarassing to lose especially considering Mafia

[dreamy lance]

True

[whole salmon]

But don’t worry

I’m asking him to lower the defense

Brb

[candid sluice]

[untold crater]

Smh just copy whatever you lose to

[whole salmon]

Actually hold on

Plasma might have strong defense up by accident

[midnight heron]

too lazy for that

[whole salmon]

Since we were testing comps

He might forgot to switch

Because of the competition that ALM is hosting