pvp

[sudden sand]

NSFW kind

[warped ice]

almost feel bad for this one

but yet again

AGE IS JUST A NUMBER

[winged depot]

[candid sluice]

💀

[thorn obsidian]

Man malding over loli fleets in pvp

[floral wave]

def fleet srs business

[trail temple]

Bullying meme fleets

[tiny lark]

Who the f is Aldarn? Dang strong

[zenith lantern]

Hi

[candid sluice]

the man himself

[oblique silo]

How many resets?

[uncut agate]

lol

[cursive surge]

Thaís is a strong PvP fleet right? Or are better options?

[uncut agate]

the fleet is good, what's your gear look like?

[zenith lantern]

You're better off not having NJ in the flagship position but otherwise it's good

[untold crater]

Wouldn't use duca

Personally would use Juneau

[torpid shuttle]

that's cos of musashi speeding vanguard death right

[floral wave]

juneau doesnt really help against vanguard gettint fucked by sushi

[zenith lantern]

I'd use Harbin but Duca works too

It's not a stall fleet so Juneau doesn't really fit.

[final granite]

Does Musashi replace Vittorio in mafia team?

[torpid shuttle]

ye

[ancient skiff]

Pretty certain that'll get you a warn if a mod catches it

[floral wave]

warn is just a number

[clear briar]

NJ or Musashi for supporting fire BB?
I still use NJ

[floral wave]

nj and musashi

[winged depot]

I fought a nj, musashi and aquila once, it was not pleasant

I also got a +8 which is just sad

[floral wave]

+8 from leftmost?

[winged depot]

It was eos, yeah

[rustic bridge]

<@&472236072743600148>

[winged depot]

[sand bone]

@sudden sand don’t post stuff like that

[candid sluice]

[trail temple]

I just ran into musashi nj fleets during eos climb, it was honestly more comfortable than fighting weeb or mafia

[pastel crescent]

Well, first time here, but this is the fleet

Jean Bart / Essex / Ulrich Von Hutten and Prinz Adalbert / Chang Chun retrofit / An Shan retrofit

Personally I don't really know anything about PvP, so I wanna know what is so bad about the ddgs in PvP

[trail temple]

Ultimately comes down to "there's better options"

The DDs used have preloaded torps so are guaranteed to fire at the start

[pastel crescent]

But why, I'm taking into account the normal tier list, usually PvP has is own tier list or something like that?

[trail temple]

PvP is a different beast entirely

[candid sluice]

pve does not translate to pvp

theres a sheets in the pins u can reference specifically for pvp

[pastel crescent]

I didn't say anything about pve tbh

Mainly that I just lack of knowledge about PvP

[candid sluice]

youre looking at the pve tierlist

[pastel crescent]

Because I thought it was a general tier list

And didn't know if there were a specific for pve and another for pvp

[trail temple]

And that's what we're trying to explain.

[candid sluice]

and thats why i said they are vastly different

[pastel crescent]

Oh, got it, then info is in pings?

[trail temple]

Yep

[pastel crescent]

But overall there is not much more to be said about my fleet? If I can I would like to make a better fleet there too

[candid sluice]

well to be blunt its not a great fleet

we can help make a better fleet if u send your dock or u can reference the pins

[trail temple]

JB isn't great in pvp, she's locked to one gun, which is crap and preload HE can get blocked by Anchorage. Essex had use in the past but is obselete since her skills aren't helpful in this meta. Ulrich straight up sucks in pvp because of how damage reduction buffs stack additively

[pastel crescent]

Anchorage can block damage?

[trail temple]

BBs already have 20% reduced damage

She has a smokescreen and a shield on herself

So yeah, she can

[pastel crescent]

Oh

[trail temple]

Hence even for budget fleets, Anchorage is on everything

[candid sluice]

shes a permanent pr ship so u can get her easily

[pastel crescent]

Sorry, also don't really know much about PR ships

Only ones I have are Roon and Seattle

[candid sluice]

anchorage and harbin are really the only relevant ones

[trail temple]

anchorage has use in pve too

[pastel crescent]

Should I send my entire dock?

[pseudo copper]

You should set your pr focus to pr4 first and work on prints and getting Anchorage unlocked then. Try to do pr research regularly as it's important regardless of the content

[pastel crescent]

I'm actually in PR4 focus

[pseudo copper]

[candid sluice]

if u want us to build a fleet go ahead send dock

[neon bronze]

Is this meme credible?

Also ngl this is a good reference point. Musashi too

[candid sluice]

maybe put in imgur tho if its a lot of ss

[candid sluice]

this guy tried to sneak in enterprise in the background lol

[pastel crescent]

I changed from PR3 focus because I got enough blueprints for even fs5 Mainz, that's kinda why I'm doing PR4 focus while researching for Mainz

[trail temple]

Why enterprise?

[winged depot]

Enterprise in the pic but not musashi, based

[trail temple]

Would put Shinano and Hiryuu waay before Enterprise in this current meta

imo

[neon bronze]

Enty outdated lol

Why no Shinano and Hiryuu retro, baffles me.

Not a true PvPer.

[pseudo copper]

No Harbin

Smh

[neon bronze]

I keep forgetting that PR5 exists as a whole group. Damn

[winged depot]

I like the new meta, lots of combination of teams

[pastel crescent]

Yeah, but even purple/blue/grey ones (?

[neon bronze]

Juneau is highly used in this content

[candid sluice]

no need blue grey unless juneau

[pastel crescent]

Why Juneau?

[candid sluice]

heal good

[neon bronze]

When she sinks in battle, she heals the remaining ships. By a lot.

[pastel crescent]

Only for that? For sinking her so she can heal?

[neon bronze]

She can turn the tides of battle this way, btw. Outliving ur opponents

[winged depot]

She dies so that your ships could run. All hail juneau

[pastel crescent]

[neon bronze]

Imagine a New Jersey with like 1 hp left then is healed back to around more than 1/2 her health.

Thqt's how busted Juneau is

[pastel crescent]

I have her retro, but never used her

[neon bronze]

Her PvE performance is meh, understandable.

You can use her

In pvp

[winged depot]

No, manjuu ships sinks after 8 seconds even if juneau heals them

[neon bronze]

I meant without proccing Manjuu

[pastel crescent]

So, that means no blue or grey, right?

[neon bronze]

Yes

[pastel crescent]

Give me a moment to send the screenshots, but should I open a thread or here is fine?

[pseudo copper]

Can't make threads here

[pastel crescent]

[pseudo copper]

So post ss

[neon bronze]

There is no thread here, gotta post it here. No need threads

[trail temple]

imgur link

[neon bronze]

And to think that before Musashi's event, I got scared of fleets with NJ + Anchorage. Couldn't beat those fleets with a weaker Sniper fleet.

[candid sluice]

imgur

[pastel crescent]

Well, before anything I can't send them all in my phone, so I have to send the screenshots one by one, I'm sorry in advance

oof, this is all

[trail temple]

That's why we suggested imgur link

[neon bronze]

This guy's dock scares me

[trail temple]

[pastel crescent]

What is Imgur?

[trail temple]

image hosting site

Can compile your images on to an album and give the link

[neon bronze]

A image hosting site

Used it myself, recommended.

[pastel crescent]

How much do I need to know for doing that?

[trail temple]

Uhh... very little?

It's quite intuitive

[neon bronze]

Backline can be Musashi - Hiryuu Retrofit - Vanguard. Might take investment though, why u not MLB Vanguard?

[pastel crescent]

And what do you mean?

[neon bronze]

You just started recently right? Unnerved me for a bit. The levels on your ships look cursed to me

[pastel crescent]

Because I don't want to spend other Vanguards to MLB Vanguard

Why cursed? Actually from December last year is when I started playing

[candid sluice]

u missed shinano rerun?

[neon bronze]

You don't need to use 2 more Vanguards btw, just MLB your raised Vanguard.

[pastel crescent]

Shinano skiped me tbh

[trail temple]

Very rarely do you actually require a 2nd copy of any ship

[neon bronze]

Even tryhards only use 2 Vanguards, one maxed and one with low RLD for sync.

Most people need only one Vanguard, do it

[pastel crescent]

Spent almost all my cubes in Vanguard's event trying to get Indomitable, but didn't have success and used above 500 cubes getting on 0

And then Shinano re run happened with not much cubes and that's it

But even if I've gotten her, what would be the difference?

Not even Musashi is near to be MLB

[trail temple]

Shinano is very good in both pvp and pve

[pastel crescent]

As well as Musashi and most UR, right?

[neon bronze]

Indomitable in PvP? Bad.

PvE performance is good though. But PvP is another beast

[trail temple]

Well, Kron and Ulrich are good in pve, but not so in pvp

[neon bronze]

Misread agane.

[pastel crescent]

I don't do PvP that much, I'm mainly a collector of ships, and try to get them all

[heady musk]

If I don't have shinano and new Jersey how painful will pvp be?

[pastel crescent]

But now that I'm here, may be a good idea to improve my PvP fleet

[trail temple]

You can manage, it's just you gotta build smarter and play smarter

[neon bronze]

Have Musashi, Vanguard, Shinano? Not bad

[heady musk]

I have musashi vanguard and krond as my ur

[neon bronze]

Forgot shimakaze, too

[pastel crescent]

UvH is not really good at PvP?

[trail temple]

Can run uni kai or percy for your third with vanny and musashi

[trail temple]

Terrible, correct

Damage reduction debuffs stack up so she does no damage effectively

She can burn, that's about it

[winged depot]

Warspite is better than uvh in pvp and she's warspite

[heady musk]

Which would be better uni or percy. I have percy "fully built" but it isn't that hard to pivot to unicorn

[neon bronze]

Off flag UvH deals shit dmg. Flagship is prioritized when your BBs snipe the opponent backline

[neon bronze]

Unikai is copium, go Perseus

[pastel crescent]

[heady musk]

How good are the ddg in pvp btw?

[winged depot]

Bad

[candid sluice]

mid

[neon bronze]

Most ships there are Medium/Heavy armor so meh.

[heady musk]

How is Plymouth in pvp? I'm slowly coping and getting her lol

[winged depot]

Might as well use harbin

[trail temple]

Not used

[heady musk]

Let me post my dock I guess

[pastel crescent]

Also, what for vg?

And why Hiryuu? Just curiosity, because of don't dying when she gets a fatal hit?

But in that sense it is kinda similar to Seydlits, right?

[ancient skiff]

Yep and launches 1 airstrike automatically

[heady musk]

https://imgur.com/a/nNRSWHK

Hopefully it works

I think iori minase is missing somewhere here

[trail temple]

Percy vanny and sashi can work as the backline

Need an ancho though

Raise a juneau

Your middle vanguard can be something like ykkz, aya or something

[neon bronze]

this guy's fleet so hard mf

okayish performance. lost twice sadge

[trail temple]

Lost twice out of how many fights @neon bronze?

[neon bronze]

the entire season so far

[zenith lantern]

Musashi is too new to say for sure. Probably Musashi/NJ/Aql + Ancho/Shima/Harbin or Musa/Shinano/Hiryuu + Ancho/Shima/Juneau

[neon bronze]

depends. so much variety in PvP comps nowadays with the addition of Musashi, especially those who missed out on some and got others.

not one fleet is truly undefeatable/unstoppable, it's a matter of git gud

[trail temple]

Still figuring out good teams

Attacker bonus makes it hard to really determine it

For example, I faced Famine's fleet last season. They usually have their def fleet well geared so I can pretty comfortable saying that he's geared them well. I was able to defeat his sashi fleets pretty easily with a fairly decent zoomer team

[coral wren]

Right now for me Hyriu/Musa/Nano + Anchor/Yuki/Juneau is night invincible. The only instances where I lost was because Yuki is such a weak link. But I had really good performances so far.

[dapper stone]

why yuki over shima?

[candid sluice]

lack of probably

[neon bronze]

that chibi warms my heart everytime i see it

really close. guy had uvh - nj - enty there iirc

is this the second time? really close

oh it's a bit worse

by 3 rank

[coral wren]

Yeah, lack of 😭

[rustic bridge]

im rank 40k

Win on pvp is impossible for me not gears and ships for this

[floral wave]

not gears
not ships
not brains

[rustic bridge]

my power lv is to low for lv 125 fights

380mm on lightning musha is not strong enought

[floral wave]

of course it isnt

did you by any chance care enough to read her skill descriptions?

gold gun = bad
purple/blue gun = good

[past sonnet]

Why doesn't my bb shoots it's volley after the vanguard dies

They just won't shoot letting enterprise get 2 airstrike

[zenith lantern]

Enterprise wasn’t revealed

You either need to win the vanguard fight so your vanguard can move up and reveal her or use a CV of your own

[sleek heron]

i'm using sushi/nj/aquila+ancho/shima/jun, so far seem to work alot better than old mafia

[warped ice]

is my setup even good??

i got the special gun for musashi and improved skc for Indianapolis

i just slapped on whatever i could scrape and yeah

[trail temple]

Short answer: no

Long answer: Long Island is a meme. Kaga BB isn't good. CAs in general don't bring enough to the table, Anchorage is the exception. Javelin doesn't provide enough to be useful and there are much better AA boats for pvp than swiftsure if you really want to use one (the meta doesn't require them)

[warm crow]

what's the pvp gun for musashi? twin 410 kai or 457?

[whole salmon]

As for testing currently there are 2 cases @warm crow

If your fleet has Musashi and no other BB

Both Twin 410 kai and Twin 356 works

However if it is Musashi with another BB, let’s say NJ for example, then in order to avoid NJ’s salvo being stuck/delayed from absolute cd, we have to mix and match the guns

[whole salmon]

If your NJ is running 457, Musashi would use 356
If your NJ is running MK4, Musashi would use 410

[warm crow]

alright thanks for the input. i dont have NJ anyway lol, but im running her with vg and warkai for now

[whole salmon]

If it is NJ 457 and Musashi 410 for example, NJ’s salvo would then be delayed by 1.5 seconds

Kinda unfortunate but it is what it is

[warm crow]

cause of the time stop? there's a fixed cooldown between BB salvos?

[whole salmon]

Yeah

There’s a fixed gap between the firing of 2 BBs so if their cd is too similar then one is delayed

[warm crow]

for both pvp and pve?

[whole salmon]

I’m not that well versed in pve mechanics since I don’t pay attention most of the time for that so I’m not sure

But from previous convo I have heard from then yeah it also exists in pve

[warm crow]

is there a timing rng? like if the difference between their salvo is 0.1s (or something like that) any one of two BB will go first due to coin toss?

[whole salmon]

Tho for pve, the time of the match actually slows down

However for pvp, the time doesn’t

It just caused regular delay

[whole salmon]

The faster one would always go first

Tho for general purposes then just use Musashi 356 when 1 other BB exist in fleet

That’s Lexington pvp’s trade secret

356 Musashi

[steel coral]

there's a short loading animation and it applies for all three types of activated attacks (torpedo, airstrike, and salvo)

so even tho my musashi finished loading right after nj, she still had to wait a second for the animation

[whole salmon]

Also it has the added benefit of 356 Musashi being faster than Ancho’s smoke with Twin blue torp

But that doesn’t matter as much

Ancho should have smoke on whenever the lightning strikes start hitting

The sword slash should hit when smoke isn’t there tho

[thorn obsidian]

So this fleet in pvp I fought against, they’re using augment Aya

She instantly sunk my vanguard and almost instant sunk my backline

So I ended battle early but yeah, that’s a strong aug for pvp apparently

[warm crow]

i'm personally using augment aya cause no shimakaze. i lucked out on one fight and instantly sunk an NJ when all teatorps hit

[whole salmon]

It is a strong aug since it does have 1 shot potential, it is just that we value a bit more consistency, which is why we use Shima

Like for example if I am using Ayanami against an Ancho Shima Juneau for example

There’s always the chance of Ayanami 1 shotting Shima or Juneau or even both. There’s also a chance of her 1 shotting a backliner

[thorn obsidian]

Not saying aya is meta

[whole salmon]

However, her torp salvo could also have been blocked by Ancho’s shield

[thorn obsidian]

But the fact she 1 shot 4 ships

[whole salmon]

Or dodged due to Ancho’s or Harbin’s smoke

It just miss because AL’s auto targeting is pepega and can’t actually reliably hit stuff

Mainly the last one

[sleek heron]

when you say 356, you mean this gun?

it's the only sakura 356 i can find, unless the 356 is something else

[winged depot]

Yep, that's the gun

[sleek heron]

blue gun in pvp

[trail temple]

I mean, you can use the Izumo gun or the Musashi gun if you think that's better

[torpid shuttle]

well neither are

if you'd said twin 410 then maybe

[trail temple]

That has issues depending on the comp, if you're running an NJ then you gimp her by using the 410

Going off what Pink just said

[torpid shuttle]

that is a minor gimp compared to izumo

[merry vale]

What're your guys thoughts on Musashi Richelieu Shinano backline?

I'm missing hiryuu for the full weeb fleet and I'm coping a little to deal with NJ Musashi Aquila.

On paper it seems fine, in practice it seems fine, it's replacing Musashi Warspite Percy on my end.

[trail temple]

Ehh, not really. The times I have accidentally used the izumo gun vs the times I tried the 410 kai, I lose the NJ battle and the fight almost all the time

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In saying that, I stopped using musashi

Weeb more consistent, and quicker

@merry vale Both Musashi and Rich want flag and Shinano may die too early before doing anything

Hiryuu is easy enough to get if you wanna spend some time farming

[merry vale]

Yeah, she's like level 100 ATM. As I said, somewhat coping. At least Richelieu sets the entire backline on fire.

[trail temple]

Tbh, I think your old fleet is better

On paper

[merry vale]

My old fleet gets kicked in the nuts really hard by Musashi NJ Aquila, the most resetting I've ever had to do vs any fleet.

Richelieu pulls her weight breaking stealth, hitting all 6 enemy ships at the start with some combination of preload, burn and barrage.

Shinano is Shinano, the fights that matter most last long enough for her to get her attack off anyways.
But yeah, off flag Musashi, not the end of the world.

Tbh I could just move Richelieu around to always break Carrier stealth and keep Musashi flag.

[floral wave]

just dont break carrier stealth

you have shinano anyways so theyll get revealed eventually

and if theyre not revealed thats one less target for sushi barrage

[merry vale]

Alright well it's a choice between 125 Vanguard, Richlieu, Percy, Warspite or my level 100 Hiyruu. What do you think would be the best pairing there with Shinano and Musashi?

[floral wave]

vanguard

had no issues yet this season running this

[merry vale]

Decent. I'll give it a try, thanks.

[coral wren]

That should stand against the strongest Mafias though

[whole salmon]

I’m still using the middle child comp between Musashi weeb and Musashi zoomer

It seems fine so far

[merry vale]

https://i.imgur.com/GfeJt1q.png

[neon bronze]

noo i missed 5 battles because of pvp irl

sadge

goodbye top 500 this season

[hazy lintel]

that damn maintenance got me tilted

from top 200 to 2k

[quartz laurel]

What gear are you running on that fleet fluffy and sugar?

[snow ibex]

same here yes

[prisma pagoda]

We are more and more than already forgot 5 battles

[neon bronze]

about this, big W that i won 2 chess matches earlier today (also no data connection lol)

back on topic, why musashi - hiryuu retro - shinano? very big dmg?

[torpid shuttle]

hiryuu tanks shima/nj snipe as flag

almost guaranteed two airstrikes

[neon bronze]

ah i could go swap vanguard for shinano in my pvp fleets but i too pepega swapping out gears and syncing comps with phone and bluestacks instance

[gilded echo]

What's the best fleet structure for exercises?

[candid sluice]

check the pins

[little bobcat]

nagato or enty ot pair with shina/hiryuu?

[rustic bridge]

Is bunny atago better as muse hipper

[whole salmon]

It is a bit of copium gear tho

I didn’t put proper enhance level in the pic but all the rainbows and most of the golds are +13

I haven’t +11 the purples yet tho

[rustic bridge]

wish me this gears

[merry vale]

https://i.imgur.com/E6Gjaxb.png

Levels aren't 100% accurate, but the gear slots are.

[floral wave]

triple gun vang

[cinder wolf]

gear shaming smh

[floral wave]

if it works, it works

[quartz laurel]

Tyty

[merry vale]

I could slap 457 on her.

[quartz laurel]

Why do people run staag aa on their vanguard ships?

Is hit that important?

[floral wave]

on shima

not on all vanguards

[quartz laurel]

📝

Oki

[whole salmon]

I mean

At least it gives hit stat

While the other AA guns don’t

So might as well use it

[floral wave]

true

[whole salmon]

And it isn’t like Shima will like having the FP AA one

So might as well use the HIT one

[winged depot]

what's more beneficial to use noshiro or dev 25 harbin?

[fallow granite]

It appears mafia fleet is outdated

Tho there’s still no new pinned messages

[royal beacon]

[merry vale]

Mafia with Musashi and weeb with Musashi seems like the two dominant teams ATM.

[fallow granite]

I can see that

if I use shinano is it better to have the treaty or the feather

[merry vale]

I like the feather personally on Shinano. Treaty is better with hiryuu on flag iirc.

Shinano doesn't want flag for any particular reason. She dies quicker in matches that way.

[warm crow]

if i only have BBs and the opponent has unrevealed CVs then the vanguard on both sides sinks -- do the enemy CVs get revealed or will my BBs just do blind salvos?

[ancient skiff]

Assuming the vanguard never filled the meter, she will auto reveal after 3-4 airstrike launches

If it's halfway, 2 airstrikes

[torpid shuttle]

BBs will not fire

have to wait for them to reveal by airstrikes

BBs hold onto their salvo cds

[lean geode]

https://i.imgur.com/flgx5uT.png

is this good?

haven't played pvp in months

[uncut agate]

Ye it's fine, though I prefer more offensive option than Juneau for that fleet i.e Harbin

[frigid hamlet]

i'll steal this comp

[forest vapor]

Which ship is a better copium Shimakaze? Ayanami w/augment or Yuudachi Kai?

[torpid shuttle]

ayayaya

[fallow eagle]

[warm crow]

anyone use the barracuda dive bomber from core shop instead of tenrai?

[floral wave]

no

[winged depot]

just use a helldiver

if no tenrai

[warm crow]

even if the crash damage is twice than other dbs?

[winged depot]

have you seen the payload of helldiver?

[warm crow]

hmm so emphasis on surface damage instead of crash damage?

[floral wave]

crash damage for tbs, others dont matter much

[uncut agate]

you can give it a try on shinano with wyverns/breguets to see how it works work for you. it's a no no on hiryuu & aquila tho.

[floral wave]

its actually faster than non upgraded suisei

[flat veldt]

Suisei better for speed adjusting on nano

Otherwise just use tenrai (or xsb3c) for dps

[rustic bridge]

[zenith lantern]

Crash damage isn’t everything, you need to be able to kill the vanguard too.

[dreamy lance]

https://youtu.be/cReAlO6Z_B8 Brah has released his final Perseus video, next videos (according to him, at least) will feature iDOLM@STER ships, he wishes everyone good luck with their AoTN climb this season!

[candid sluice]

The finale

[dreamy lance]

Just for now, he says

[buoyant parrot]

what is Harbin's End Game Min-Max gears

[torpid shuttle]

you mean to ask that in PvP?

[buoyant parrot]

yeah

[torpid shuttle]

kk

[buoyant parrot]

thanks mate

done!

[floral wave]

you can also run pompeo gun, quint mags with double hp item

[buoyant parrot]

pearl is on jesus

so I guess that works

[floral wave]

ye its a preference tbh

just listing other options

[buoyant parrot]

yup, sounds good

[floral wave]

does the bear also increase RLD or you dont have zapdos?

[buoyant parrot]

its the same

[floral wave]

well fuck i forgot how its called again

nice

[buoyant parrot]

oh wait actually no, the bear only had the same stats but not the buff

guess I'll be using my Goldburn then

[floral wave]

not sure how big of a deal its with teatorps

i remember i used it to time smoke with quint mags for something

[buoyant parrot]

tho it doesn't really matter sinc my flagship isn't a CV

its NJ

[floral wave]

thats only for barrage

you get rld when its on frontline ship

[sleek heron]

if you only use it for the hp, you can always go meme with

[buoyant parrot]

ohh okay that makes sense

there, much better

[dapper stone]

running musashi/hiryuu/shinano juneau/shima/anchorage atm, anybody I can swap out to improve? or diff order?

[winged depot]

looks fine

[proven tangle]

can we use this for pvp for games besides azur lane?

not joking

[jolly dagger]

[proven tangle]

lol 420

[winged depot]

<@&472236072743600148> is this allowed?

[reef sedge]

@proven tangle this channel is exclusively for AL-related PVP, not other games

you can use #off-topic for that

[winged depot]

[proven tangle]

oh

where the off topic pvp

[winged depot]

just in off topic my guy

[reef sedge]

^

[lusty hill]

I'm currently on rear admiral lower half and when I try fighting against opponent with huge rank different around 800 vs 80 I only got 11 score, that's only like +1 bonus is this normal?

[winged depot]

I guess the one you attacked does not have a +71 lead to your points then so its just +11

[lusty hill]

Do I need that many difference to get big bonus?

How many bonus for that?

[winged depot]

+12

[lusty hill]

Bruh

[winged depot]

yeah at this rank +10 is the common score and +11 and +12 are the bonuses usually

[untold crater]

The threshold for bonuses is the highest past 1050 score

[warm crow]

does refreshing the opponent list give "better" opponents that give more points? or is the first list always the ones that show the opponents with highest rank difference, hence, more points if you beat them?

[untold crater]

It gives you a new list of opponents that are near your rank

Based on your rank at the time of refreshing

[warm crow]

oh. so what's ideal for getting the best points? refreshing before battling the left-most? or just beating all the left-most opponents?

or its all rng?

[merry vale]

Tldr. Set your defense fleet to something that struggles to win, relog multiple times till the leftmost team wins and gives you more points for beating them.

[untold crater]

Refreshes are generally used for rerolling opponents that are Lower ranked than you (happens later on in the season), rolling bonuses (happens also later on in the season) or if you know nobody on your current list will likely move (happens throughout the whole season)

Rolling bonuses on left most doesn't happen generally first 8-9 days unless you do end up rolling rank 1 or so

[warped ice]

I usually just hope my rank 60 goofy ahh dont get squad wiped every time i poke a 100 level player in exercises

Usually they are flexing their ships and its not even leveled up yet

or its some random team that i question that is stupider than my own setup

Manage to beat people 30+ levels higher than me

only say that cuz by then rank 90 people should have good characters and gear

[untold crater]

Seen lv70 player outplace lv140

[warped ice]

mhm

[untold crater]

It's about team comp and gears as well as pvp exercise strategy

[warped ice]

i outplaced level 89 🗿

[untold crater]

Levels not so relevant since it's easy to 125 ships

[warped ice]

i meant by at a high level they SHOULD have a good character setup

cuz if not id be dumbfounded

[untold crater]

Yeah maybe, not everyone has a tryhard fleet and even those that do might have PvE gears on some ships

[merry vale]

Some people refuse to learn anything.

[untold crater]

Can also be they just don't know/ don't care

[warped ice]

that was me when i skipped the tutorial on my old account

all i did was buy ships and add crap to it

[candid sluice]

Play at your own pace

[warped ice]

there was this opponent

bully the innocent children for candy

[uncut agate]

your defence fleet doesn't affect your own ranking btw

[velvet tapir]

but your seasonal exercise score affects your rank

[uncut agate]

yes? the score isn't affected by your defence fleet

[merry vale]

Depending on how you argue semantics, a defense fleet that's too strong is detrimental to your score.

[whole salmon]

In all honesty, if you aim for high rank then strong defense isn’t completely necessary

Since at high rank, we can sort of all beat each other

So it just comes down to how we play

You can say “oh it causes some high rank players to need to retry a bunch of times and overcap” but that’s highly copium and rarely happens

We oversleep more often than we lose

[merry vale]

As nature intended.

[whole salmon]

Defense fleets are more so testing sites for us now

[merry vale]

[pseudo copper]

Be like Yukana and use it as prime ad space

[untold crater]

Sad guild is full so don't see any more applications

[lusty hill]

If there are huge rank differences but the opponents is on the right side, will I still get bonus score?

[untold crater]

If the huge rank difference is in your favor yes

But it will probably give less than left most

[pseudo copper]

Same

[rustic bridge]

How are you supposed to win against something like that once in your life

[uncut agate]

give up 😔

[pseudo copper]

You use the power of Essex meta obviously

[rustic bridge]

enty is to strong

One drop all ships dead

[candid sluice]

shiver me timbers enty 1v6

[pseudo copper]

You lost bc no Essex on your side obv

[final granite]

Ranked #2 in Sandy

[untold crater]

[neon bronze]

for now

damn lost 3 fights and missed 5 already

can i still enter around rank 1000 at EoS

[trail temple]

At this point, seeing SaltyBelfast lose games is a fact of life. Nothing will change this, it is even more of a constant than the speed of light

[winged depot]

I just ignore him

[trail temple]

Seeing Himmel's LÄMP spam in game chat has more substance ngl

[winged depot]

so ayanami can one shot a backline that's not a musashi when lucky

got to see it 6x already

[spare wadi]

Am i coping too hard?

yeah, missing a lot of important things

[merry vale]

Anchorage Shima and Musashi being the three jumping out immediately at me.

[sturdy void]

Stupid question, but better to use exercise battles as soon as you get them or always stack ten battles and then do battle (iirc called “sandbagging” or something)?

[zenith lantern]

It depends on your goal with pvp

if you want to get the highest score you can then you need to sandbag

[sturdy void]

Yeahhh getting highest score

[zenith lantern]

If you just want to get AoTN then you don't need to sandbag but you shouldn't use them immediately when they become available either, waiting at least a few hours would be advisable

[sturdy void]

Better to use the battles close to reset as possible right?

[zenith lantern]

As soon as someone on your list moves to give you a bonus, then as late as possible with what you have left

[sturdy void]

Uhhh I have no idea what you said, can you say it in a different way?

[zenith lantern]

If someone on your list moves enough that you'd get a bonus point (so +11 pts instead of +10) you want to fight them asap

[sturdy void]

Whatttt how do I know they’ll give me more points?

[zenith lantern]

You'll probably get that happen 1-3 times each reset

Their rank will be much higher than everyone else on your list including youself. If they have moved in to the t100 you'll be able to see their score and if it's 35pts higher than yours or more then they will give you 11 pts instead of 10

[sturdy void]

So if they are 35+ points higher than me I get bonus points yes?

[zenith lantern]

At this point of the season yes

Before you hit 1050 points it's less than 35

[sturdy void]

Mmmm I see, thanks a lot for the help

[zenith lantern]

The hardest part really is remembering that you need to be down to 5/10 at the end of each reset. It's easy to forget and lose points that way.

[sturdy void]

whaaaa

That is not sandbagging right

[zenith lantern]

Yes it is

You start each reset at 10/10 exercises

[sturdy void]

Maybe J have done it wrong

Yes

[zenith lantern]

At the end of the reset you need to be down to 5/10

So when the reset hits you go up to 10/10 again

If you're at 6/10 at the end of the reset you just lost 10 pts

[sturdy void]

So you should only use five battles

[sturdy void]

Yes

[zenith lantern]

If you're at 7/10 you just lost 20 pts

[sturdy void]

Yes

So you should use the minimum battles as you can but enough to avoid losing pt

[zenith lantern]

yes

[sturdy void]

Until the very end of the season?

Mmmm I seeeeeee

[zenith lantern]

at the very end you use everything of course

[sturdy void]

I will try this next season yes

[zenith lantern]

good luck

[sturdy void]

[neon bronze]

[dreamy lance]

Aldarn-sensei

[neon bronze]

the struggle between azure lane pvp and education

[spare wadi]

If only i had Shima and Anchroage, I do have Mushasi just not leveled

[trail temple]

Anchorage is at least obtainable

[winged depot]

I have no shima and i'm coping with ayanami she's pretty good

[sturdy void]

Mmm that being said then, I should use more survivability equipment on my vanguard instead of the oxy torps? Also was using the Yamato gun for preload but ig I should swap for rainbow AP gun?

[trail temple]

Stick pearl on shima probs

and both rainbow guns aren't recommended - NJ's gun on VV better

Stick the 457 on NJ instead

[merry vale]

You also want a different gun and torps for Shima imo.

[trail temple]

Either go rainbow quint or hms torps, going to make the assumption he either does not have those, or he does not hace the black torp aux

[sturdy void]

I actually have the torps and the aux, Ill switch them rn

[merry vale]

More aoa procs> gun damage imo.

[zenith lantern]

Check the guide in the pins from Salty Arrow is best for fleet stuff

But consider trying to fit Musashi in to the fleets listed in there as it's not updated for her yet

[sturdy void]

Kept losing to this fleet, leveling Juneau and Musashi rn

[trail temple]

We haven't put Musashi in there because we're not finished with testing musashi fleets

[merry vale]

Musashi mafia is really tilting to lose to.

That's why I'm running Musashi weeb/zoomer.

[trail temple]

Main reason we haven't finished, I keep beating Musashi fleets with weeb fleets

[zenith lantern]

Weeb with Musashi is pretty strong right now.

[trail temple]

I beat any musashi fleet, I am not using Musashi at all

[sturdy void]

Amogus

[river marsh]

musashi in pvp

[zenith lantern]

With Weeb you can for sure, but sometimes Weeb with NJ takes a long time to win fights because it's not good at killing vanguards. Musashi solves that

[river marsh]

i still haven't lost to a musashi weeb fleet

[trail temple]

Eh, my average fight time is about 30 seconds, even bad fights are about 35-40 seconds generally

[zenith lantern]

If you're never getting a 1min+ fight with weeb you're only fighting bad fleets

[river marsh]

1min+ fights

[trail temple]

You mean to tell me that Famine's fleet is bad?

[uncut agate]

Yes

😔

[trail temple]

Much to learn young one

[zenith lantern]

I have no idea what he's running, perhaps it is. There's no way though you've not had your NJ die in the first 20s and your vanguard lose the vanguard fight if you were fighting decent fleets

[trail temple]

He probably saw the fleet builds on ALM and copied that. When he's not roasting people, he's lurking for new strats

[zenith lantern]

Zoomer counters weeb so no surprises

[torpid shuttle]

o does it?

[zenith lantern]

Zoomer with Harbin vs Weeb was the most one sided matchup of all the testing we did before Musashi came along

[merry vale]

Zoomer beats weeb, weeb beats mafia, mafia beats Zoomer?

[zenith lantern]

Zoomer has good AA and can kill Shinano or NJ in the first 5s of the fight. Very often it will instantly kill Juneau so her heal gives no value. Harbin also protects your vanguard from the airstrike with her smoke.

[zenith lantern]

Mafia and Zoomer go pretty even.

[merry vale]

Alright fair enough.

[untold crater]

Rumor has it UvH + sashi is a tricky combo

[zenith lantern]

Ari’s been getting good results with UVH

She seems a better 3rd BB alongside NJ and Sushi than Vanguard is

[supple trout]

Why I cant pass Captain? Looks like i'm capped

[merry vale]

Really, why? I'm curious and my uvh has better gear than my Vanguard so I'm really curious.

[zenith lantern]

3xBB can be inconsistent because It has no way to reveal CVs other than winning the vanguard fight. The vanguard can sometimes dodge all the BB shelling and you then lose to the unrevealed CV. UVH’s barrage helps you kill the vanguard faster

[merry vale]

I mean fair. But it's also pretty gimped damage.

I'm just kinda shocked it was better.

[zenith lantern]

You’re not the only one. UVH doesn’t sound good at all on paper. In practice she’s better than she looks.

[merry vale]

Hmm. Alright I'm willing to entertain that.

I guess since in pvp speed is everything, and she does shoot a lot.

457 uvh does damage.

[zenith lantern]

I haven’t tried her yet myself but it’s worth giving a go. I’ll probably try it myself in the next few seasons

Pretty sure he’s using HE not AP on her though

[merry vale]

Barrage gun or shelling gun? If you know.

Barrage gun uvh would be firing off insanely fast.

[zenith lantern]

He’s using the triple 381mm but he doesn’t have the NJ gun, you’d probably want to use that

Oldish SS it was against Mafia. But she does keep up

[neon bronze]

Zoomer has Aquila, can I copium with Chise instead?

[merry vale]

Less effective, but yeah.

[neon bronze]

sadge. No New Jersey too... maybe musashi?

[merry vale]

Musashi is just a safe bet regardless.

He had agir in the Frontline and semi low gear so it's only as accurate as the fleet I was given.

457 uvh hurts.

I'm ready to believe uvh isn't a troll pick.

Shinano is asleep at the wheel in comparison.

[neon bronze]

Seeing Musashi's chibi at the end of PvP battles makes my day.

First time reaching Rear Admiral. Apparently. Recently.

[merry vale]

If she's out damaging Musashi and Shimakaze, she can't be that bad.

I'm willing to keep testing this, but I like it so far.

Although carriers still stay stealthed for quite a while from what I can see. But it demolishes the Frontline and backline besides that.

Maybe ill try Musashi UvH Shinano and see what it feels like.

[untold crater]

Need to be at least top 1000 to pass it

[neon bronze]

damn, Deathkt promoting his guild via PvP.

free win ig

[neon bronze]

[coral wren]

Bataan almost died and Akagi Chan got so many kills alongside Bataan LMFAO

[floral wave]

so many kills when theres max 6 enemies

[rustic bridge]

i wish me more wins 3% win rate on time is depri

[pseudo copper]

Free ad space is free ad space

[stoic moon]

ad space but no guild space

[pseudo copper]

[cold vessel]

Should I equip one Steam Cata and one Oil tank or just two Steam Catas for PvP CVs?

[pseudo copper]

You want 1 avi gas, other slot tends to be Feather/WNT/Frontier badge

[cold vessel]

Ok ty

So Feather is also viable on non french ships?

And what's WNT?

[pseudo copper]

Washington naval treaty

[pseudo copper]

Gives about same AVI as cata while having eva

[merry vale]

Feather is used for the evasion and AVI stats, the carriers don't need to be french.

[cold vessel]

Alright, thanks

[warped ice]

wait a fellow phillipino???

my kind

nice setup 😁

[neon bronze]

TIL ur filipino too

[lusty hill]

why do I get a +9 score instead of +10? I didn't lose the fight

[zealous wasp]

probably higher rank than them

[lusty hill]

what do you mean

[zealous wasp]

for example, youre rank 500 right now, and your list has a rank 400 and 600

you'll get 10 off the 400 but 9 off the 600. if the person you fight is super far behind in points you could get +8 even

[untold crater]

You fought someone with less points than you

[lusty hill]

bruh I thought fighting lower rank still give normal score

[untold crater]

Nope, 1 point or lower past 1050+ pts awards you +9 or lower

Before that it's different

[lusty hill]

man this is hard...

if I reached top 100 and have score exactly 1650, will I still able to get admiral promotion reward?

[flint sun]

agir free win

I gave up trying to get to top lmao

camping isnt worth my time

100% winrate it is

[velvet tapir]

my best pvp setup

[floral wave]

you got one pvp viable ship there

and gear is on the super wrong side

[winged depot]

might as well post your whole dock and we'll help you

[river marsh]

bataan meta in pvp?

[flint sun]

this reminds me of the good old days when I actually had to try to win in pvp with my ol' warspite Helena fleet yukikaze fleet

[neat yoke]

Just realized I have a large pile of prototype cores laying around. You guys think I should get another 457 for UvH or just invest them into a rainbow cruiser gun or a third sextuple AA gun. Also any other fleet suggestions are welcome especially considering the augments since I'm still a bit in the dark with those.

[floral wave]

lance out
bowgun out
kms out

musashi + shinano/nj/haku/vang/hiryuu
anchorage + shima + juneau/harbin

[candid sluice]

scrap entire team

457

[neon bronze]

any half decent fleet can beat KMS fleets, rain or shine

[neat yoke]

Absolutely but let's say that I'm very stubborn/stupid about the full KMS thing. (I'm under no delusions that it's actually better than real meta fleets, just personal preference). And it can still beat most actual meta fleets on offence.

[candid sluice]

at least use a twin gun on ulrich

[uncut agate]

Take out Roon, put in Z28.
UvH's job in a triple BB setup is to burn the enemy vanguard so her best guns are mk7/monarch gun/mk6

[neat yoke]

Always thought Roon was the weakest link but Z28 is actually something I hadn't thought about. Guessing for the early smoke screen?
And as for UvH should I just give her the mk7 and craft Seyd a 457, or is having 2x457 too much AP for PvP (I'm still kinda inexperienced at PvP)

[zenith lantern]

Seydlitz wants the HE gun too really, her and UVH kind of do the same thing. I'd probably keep AP on UVH since Seydlitz will fire first and do a lot of the work, UVH's barrage can finish off and then she has AP to at least chip in a little backline damage

Replace the toolbox on Leipzig with a boiler and put Agir in the mid position. Agir isn't terrible in PvP if you can keep her alive but she can't tank at all, she'll just die to torpedoes. You probably have to run Leipzig in the front position unless you bring Mainz too.

[rustic bridge]

First low Power fleet and he has enterprise no chance on win

[frigid hamlet]

So unfortunate

[rustic bridge]

I will never have a chance against an enterprise and warspite in pvp

[mellow charm]

I'd be more worried about that phoenix, she just refuses to die

[rustic bridge]

he couldn't even do any damage so quickly I lost

[late niche]

what is actually the ultimate troll defence fleet back many years ago it was javelin + enty and the foxys?

[mellow charm]

Just do what Speepoweird does and put 6 oathed common ships into def fleet

[untold crater]

Just guild Ad

[mellow charm]

might aswell

[lusty hill]

how many score different do I need to get bonus score?

[uncut agate]

35 for +1

[lusty hill]

How to see opponents score other than the top 100

[frigid hamlet]

Estimate

[lusty hill]

[candid sluice]

ask them directly

[lusty hill]

Is this worth crafting for pvp if I don't have Georgia gun?

[floral wave]

yes

except for uvh

[coral wren]

It's the fact you wanna prioritize BBs with fast reload time for that 406 gun in order to hit backline as quick as possible, otherwise meh

[lusty hill]

I'm planning to put it on vanguard and warspite

[floral wave]

yeah thats good since you ideally want them to snipe a backliner before it does anything

[candid sluice]

its budget 457 so craft if u need a 457 but cant make one

[dreamy lance]

Yes, it is for the smokescreen at the start of the battle to mitigate preload damage

[neon bronze]

nooo i lost one battle because i thought hiryuu retro was invincible until her skill that does that expired... was so close to beating backline at like 2 hp

[coral wren]

So far I have lost 1 combat, and had to redo like 4 others. I’m really happy with the results, even if it is because my combat lost was due to my own carelesness (and an enemy team identical to mine except with one ship which was just better)

[coral wren]

Warspite is better for that gun

[lusty hill]

actually I'm having second thought since I just realize that gun need ridiculously lots of materials

[sour oasis]

As most of the best PvP weapons do

[sour oasis]

Belfast Eldridge Charles Javelin Juneau if I remember right. This was before Yukikaze came about and CA's were still somewhat viable.

[coral wren]

One way or another, that's by contrast to getting 50 BPs for that Georgia gun

[candid sluice]

only takes a few months of opsi

[merry vale]

I like the gun. It worked really nicely on my warspite and it works great on my Vanguard.

If you're even semi frequently doing op siren the gun is affordable lol.

[merry vale]

My triple BB fleet uses one since I lack a second 457.

[rustic bridge]

One Hit warspite

[rustic bridge]

ok pvp is buggy 9 -10 wins

[dull hollow]

someone confirm if is true???

[torpid shuttle]

you mean ship stats in battle?

[dull hollow]

like fleet tech but for pvp?

[pseudo copper]

Higher your rank is in pvp the more likely you get better win rate so yes your stats get a +% if it were not 100

[lime folio]

Hm I'm kinda testing around, I'm not really a stats geek

but

is Aquila even needed anymore in this setup

since I've cut Duca

whether I'm using Vanguard or Aquila this still rolls over Mafias so idk really where the edge goes

[merry vale]

Aquila breaks stealth on carriers, triple BB usually ends up not killing carriers till last.

I'd still use Aquila.

[lime folio]

Hmm got it

[floral wave]

you can easily use shinano instead of aquila there

[lime folio]

Yeah I want to

[floral wave]

perfectly fine choice

[lime folio]

also with aquila out of pvp

i can spend my UR dive bombers better now

need more tenrais, hopefulyl they add the blueprints soon to the store

[whole salmon]

If you mean stats to ships then no it doesn’t exist

It is just that those who haven’t gotten AOTN either don’t care enough to get it or have skill issue

[sour oasis]

What does that even mean.
So a first time PvP player has a +100% stat bonus each fight?

[floral wave]

profile wr stats

theres no bonuses for pvp ranks

[boreal parcel]

How? How has he managed to fully dev all PR5s by now?

[winged depot]

perfectly possible no @tranquil badge (sorry bout the ping)

[floral wave]

why not, cube researches are a thing

[winged depot]

yeah those who spam those are fast to dev 30 them

[floral wave]

i mean im at 25/20 ply/brest with 0 cube researches, occasional downtimes, 2 days of pr4 in the meantime and going 50/50 on face/gear research

[coral wren]

fellow Chen hai lover

[floral wave]

wdym, everyone loves chen hai

[neon bronze]

wait... how does the Exercises stockpile?

forgot it, dunno how

[merry vale]

You get 5 every time it resets, you can hold up to 10.

[neon bronze]

One +5 on daily reset... (UTC+8 so dsily reset is on 3 PM in my area)

[winged depot]

3pm, 3am, 9am if we're on the same timezone

[neon bronze]

Huh. I thought the second +5 was on 7 AM.

TIL

thanks guys

[sour oasis]

Was Sendai's flare nerf ever undone? It would be really nice against Anchorage

[tranquil badge]

no worries @winged depot

[untold crater]

0:00; 12:00; 18:00 server time

[pseudo copper]

Lot of people did already

[lime rivet]

For those interested, the Azur Lane Meta (ALM) server is hosting a PvP tournament for the EN servers. There's currently a $600 prize pool for the top 10 scores across all servers (i.e. top 10 from a combined ladder) as well as a prize for the rank 1 player in each server. The tournament starts next season (24th October) and we will announce the winners shortly after the conclusion of the season.

For more information, please go to the ALM server https://discord.gg/dAFYGAu - there's a server wide announcement with further information.

[neon bronze]

did ALM notify mods? curious. just asking.

poggers either way.

[trail temple]

I did ask Syanda to do it, so yes

[stable dawn]

hype

[neon bronze]

PogU

competition is stiff next season.

Good luck, PvPers!

[trail temple]

Hopefully we can get some good scores

[candid sluice]

i was boutta ping the mods for a sussy link

[neon bronze]

lost 6 times

as of now

which ship gets to be flagship, Vanguard, Musashi and Chise?

[merry vale]

Musashi flag, her barrage tends to do a lot more collateral damage on the sword swing if you do.

[neon bronze]

thinking abt it... yeah. Her tankiness imo is crucial, since usually opponent's BB/s like opponent Musashi, NJ would target flagship BB and leave most BB down.

all the time I ran musashi off-flag because of my hiryuu's placement... opponent Warspite just tickles her.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1030983234596651018/1031425158130450432/ezgif-4-90d1641e96.gif

[river marsh]

sounds like skill issue

[neon bronze]

yea skill issue

changed Hiryuu to Chise recently.

[river marsh]

hiryuu good in pvp tho

[neon bronze]

also missed 5 more battles because of irl matches

[candid sluice]

you pvping irl??

[neon bronze]

and no data connection at that time

[neon bronze]

was deciding who gets to play in school chess competition

[candid sluice]

damn did u get in

[neon bronze]

yea

friend who also attended tryouts noted that i got lucky though. his first match paired him up with an opponent who "predicted his moves". Maybe 1400+ elo?

well idc so i was one of the 5 finalists. the guy my friend had a match with also got in. the finalists consist the team that represents my school department

#off-topic material so we'll leave it at that

hmm... dunno which is better. hiryuu or chise?

[candid sluice]

congrats

1v1 me lichess

depends on fleet but probably hiru

[neon bronze]

lmg, ima get bodied, i'm washed but somehow won my matches

[candid sluice]

dw im bad too

[neon bronze]

tomorrow :/ i about to sleep

[candid sluice]

good night man

[whole salmon]

Inb4 maint extension comes in and screw with us

Strongest Killer of baggers: Extended Maintenance to 12h

100% success rate in ruining pvp leaderboard

[stable dawn]

[rustic bridge]

No luck

[trail temple]

Better let the devs know to be on their A game while this is running

DST changes also messes with people too

[candid sluice]

saltybelfast scratching out his defense fleet because he doesnt want us to know his full power

[winged depot]

the shaggy of AL

[rustic bridge]

Bullin

[candid sluice]

[neon bronze]

chess match?

reply if available

[candid sluice]

sorry not rn im a bit busy and boutta leave soon

[neon bronze]

sure

[lusty hill]

what makes ayanami better than yuudachi in pvp?

[candid sluice]

torpedo

[lusty hill]

would yuudachi decent gun makes her comparable to ayanami?

or is ayanami still better?

also what makes yukikaze good too?

[untold crater]

Blue skill

25% chance on hit to take 1 Damage

[winged depot]

ayanami is better than yuudachi if its on pvp

since even if it is rng ayanami can one shot either the whole vanguard or a backline

[steel coral]

augment

[candid sluice]

Gun botes don’t perform well in pvp

[lusty hill]

does hiryuu actually do decent damage in pvp? or people only use it for her zombielike skill?

[trail temple]

You buff her damage through Shinano normally

[neon bronze]

is musashi - hiryuu - shinano better than musashi - vanguard - hiryuu?

[lusty hill]

would it better than vanguard/perseus/warspite?

[whole salmon]

If you have the gear for it

Hiryuu Shinano is good but most people are put off by the level of investment

Namely, the 4 +13 Rainbow planes that you will need

[neon bronze]

two/three wyverns and two tenrais?

[lusty hill]

omg

[neon bronze]

only have 1 wyvern atm :/

[whole salmon]

Three Wyverns at +13

And One Tenrai at +13

Should be enough

[lusty hill]

I only have one wyvern

[whole salmon]

Most people don’t like it because

A, you might still use Shinano for pve bossing

B, the Gear Enhance requirements for it

Or C, because it feels slow

It is still a good comp overall tho, just that you need to invest a lot

And because of that, it isn’t as popular

And even with those that do use it, rarely is there one that is up to par

[lusty hill]

but it do works right

I'll just put the poverty rainbow lol

what's the gear for musashi?

[neon bronze]

why one tenrai? on Shinano or on Hiryuu?

[whole salmon]

On Hiryuu

Double Tenrai comp also works but your Shinano would have to run French plane in the first slot

Either way the level of investment is the same

Wyvern, Tenrai, Wyvern on Shinano is a bit too slow, leading to Aquila being able to strike you twice before you can put in any damage. It isn’t that useful in practice

[neon bronze]

ahh i see

[whole salmon]

Or with the purple

[neon bronze]

410kai

[lusty hill]

bruh really the blue version lol

[whole salmon]

The Blue version is Lexington server’s trade secret

[lusty hill]

I wonder if the 1.5s faster reload makes up the damage by her broken barrage

[whole salmon]

There’s a reason for it

But in cases of Musashi, Hiryuu, Shinano, either gun works

But in other cases like Musashi NJ comps then Blue is preferred

[neon bronze]

[lusty hill]

I see

btw do the meta fleet same for attack and defense?

[whole salmon]

Here is the explanation about it

[neon bronze]

if i only had one wyvern, where does it go, shinano or hiryuu?

[whole salmon]

Shinano

On 3rd slot

[neon bronze]

what's wrong with absolute cd... maybe someone's ship with the same comp just snipes ur ship before your ship fires her salvos?

[whole salmon]

410 Musashi and 457 NJ?

NJ with 457 is delayed by 1.5 seconds

So if the enemy is VV NJ or Vanguard NJ

Their NJ would hit you before yours hit theirs

While theirs also use 457

[neon bronze]

ah so like i described

noted

[rustic bridge]

Backline rip

[trail temple]

Saltybelfast posting himself winning? Hell has frozen over

[candid sluice]

he beat a guy 40 levels below him letsgooo

[merry vale]

He's achieving excellence.

[open peak]

Which French plane? And which dive bomber would Shinano otherwise use? And which fighter would Hiryuu use?

[dreamy lance]

Wyvern/Tenrai/Breguet Shinano, Hornet/Tenrai/Wyvern Hiryuu

[open peak]

hm one more question, which gears do ppl put on shimakaze?

[whole salmon]

• If you want to use Tenrai on Shinano then it is the Bréguet Br.810
• Usual dive bomber in a double Wyvern comp is Suisei 12A but Fairey Barracuda has been used before so it is worth a mention
• Fighter then it depends on you, Hornet/Tiger and Pirate are what’s most seen often. Some do use Bf109 so it is worth a mention

[whole salmon]

The most basic set up is this

Main gun can be Single 76 as per usual

Aux then it can be Boiler if you have your Pearl elsewhere

[open peak]

thx

[whole salmon]

If you want to run Quint Rainbow Magnetic then change out Black Aux torp for another item

Likely Goldburn, Boiler or Fire extinguisher

MKIX, Black Aux and Oxy has been used before too but a bit too glass canon now that Musashi is used

[merry vale]

My Shima is still running full glass cannon. It has trade offs, but it still can instantly kill backline so I'm okay with it.

[floral wave]

pearl shima can kill backline as consistently as oxy shima

[merry vale]

100 torp doesn't amount to much then.

[candid sluice]

musashi weirdga

[merry vale]

Does it really make no difference in consistency though?

That seems like a pretty worthless trade off otherwise.

[dreamy lance]

Full glass cannon shima with 1 oxytorp can kill backlines with more consistency for sure, pearls shima isn't as good at doing so unless almost all/all torps hit

However, most of the time, Pearls on shima is valued for consistency when attacking too because it ensures she at least has some survival and some utility upon death rather than hoping for her 2 preloads to swing the battle in your favour. Ultimately both options work fine

[merry vale]

Two schools of thought there. Consistency vs higher peaks.

Although Musashi kinda forces your hands a little I guess. The extra hp on Shima is important against Musashi the vanguard deleter.

[candid sluice]

id rather get a early kill and win the game

[rustic bridge]

only on lexi win I

and she is my best back line tank

[lime folio]

I like this meta

mafia was boring asf

lots of flex spots in this one

[merry vale]

Musashi changed everything.

Sucks to be the people without Musashi though.

[untold island]

pvp sheet not dead

ty arrow

[merry vale]

[trail temple]

Nah we were in hiding doing testing

There's a lot of bad testing being observed so it takes time to go through it and determine its validity

[candid sluice]

thank andy too he did most of the revamping

and yea the large downtime was due to testing

[untold crater]

O_O

[jolly cloak]

I suffered without nj

[neon bronze]

same

and aquila

[open peak]

the dd secondary is prefered over a cl gun?

[whole salmon]

More range

And more FP stat

While also more dps

[open peak]

ooh didn't notice it, nice

[whole salmon]

Tashkent gun has more dps than it but less range and no AA stat which is why it isn’t preferred

Plymouth gun ofc takes priority but it would be better to go on something else than an aux for pvp

[whole salmon]

Tbh I mainly chose it because its stats can compare with CL guns, having long range and no spread

And it being easily accessible

Which works quite well in pvp

Oh but if your ship is in flagship position then it doesn’t matter that much between the 2

Just that I more often than not have my Musashi off flag

[open peak]

no spread doesn't necessarily mean that it hits better, but I'm still persuaded by the range and fp, also normal shell is faster than he

[whole salmon]

Lexington has a lot of weird gear testings that we have been doing

Like with the Breget or using copium VH

Or in some cases, Collab hit boost item on CVs

+13 FDG gun, Swordfish, Twin 356 Musashi

[open peak]

oh yeah time to turn on sound in pvp

[whole salmon]

There was even testing with Yamato gun on Amagi copium fleet but it was quite trash

There’s some stuff regarding MK4 as well

[open peak]

I rarely change my pvp fleet. but since my musashi just got 125, it's a good time to do it now

[whole salmon]

There’s no must used comps anymore

As most comps more or less has its own usage in the meta

So this is quite a good time for new people to enter as Musashi kinda made standard Mafia fade out of the meta

[open peak]

if the devs planned it, then they did a surprisingly good job. except for ppl without musashi

[whole salmon]

Well yeah there’s still certain ships that you need

Like Musashi and Ancho

[dreamy lance]

Who’s this guy? Never seen his name before

[winged depot]

drek

he was on my list before I slept then the name changed