Are u being dumb on purpose here or u serious
#pvp
candid sluice
untold crater
Why tf i want a bagger on my 10/10 if my pace is low? That's asking for a +1 set
Will never make up lost ground with that playstyle
If my pace is high i want bagger since it's hard for a bonus
candid sluice
So u just don’t get the point 
untold crater
Your point is too thin it's bypassing my bones
And i said, that's never happened to me, then you said "you never had good pace?"
If you have good pace, rolling baggers in 10/10 Thursday week 2 is real nice
Free +1, can save your refreshes for the +9s you might roll on 6/10
I generally like having baggers on my list as insurance anyways
In case my movers don't move
candid sluice
Yeah get my first bonus 30secs before refresh time good plan
untold crater
That's what I said...?
candid sluice
And have 10 seconds to do the other 4 tickets
untold crater
.
candid sluice
This guy just realized
candid sluice
Right cus kaya core and I start pushing 10min
untold crater
Where your skill will make up for and sets
candid sluice
It’s almost like u can roll the same people in different sets
untold crater
Ahhh you're just trolling me
candid sluice
Seems like you’re the one trolling
untold crater
It’s almost like u can roll the same people in different sets
It's almost like there's 42 resets
candid sluice
Who’s the one talking about 42 sets
untold crater
Bro you mention 1 set like it's the end of the world
candid sluice
??? Where
untold crater
Backread? 💀
candid sluice
I just brought it up
Where’s the urgency
You’re the one escalating this dumb argument
untold crater
You act like rolling bagger 5 times is bad
candid sluice
When 10/10 0 refresh first set yes
candid sluice
Cus I wanna roll rushers? Why else would I refresh
untold crater
You obv use 1 and if you still have bad list you take the L
candid sluice
And fall behind unrecoverable pace
untold crater
Cus I wanna roll rushers? Why else would I refresh
The +9s? Or you relying on rolling rank 20 everytime you're 6/10
candid sluice
That’s matcha
untold crater
ok you said good pace
Taking a +9 tommorow is normal if you waste refreshes on good pace
candid sluice
Take +9 this set then take another next and end the day with 2 refresh left
candid sluice
This guy really is minecraft skeleton
untold crater
You know that mob has vacant skull right
candid sluice
Unaware
untold crater
Salty idk if it's the SEA wifi or if you now have breadcrumbs for braincells, but i have no idea what you're on about
Idk how you simultaneously talk about good pace then talk about wasting refresh on week 2 Thursday
O_O
candid sluice
I don’t think you should be talking about braincells
untold crater
Me and who
flat veldt
just rando minecraft skeleton gif, has no meaning to this convo 
flat veldt
whole salmon
Tbh on week 2
Rushers sorta stopped being useful for me
Because yeah they rush
But they don’t usually move that far
Which makes the refresh to roll them kinda pointless
untold crater
Week 2 half your rushers -15 on you
whole salmon
Targetting specific early moving baggers is much more beneficial
whole salmon
But they don’t usually move that far
Because rolling only to be hit with 25 to 34 point gaps is hella pointless
Especially by Second week Friday where Rushers are so behind that even with 5 tickets, they aren’t even useful for +1
untold crater
Nah my favorite are the ones that are still in range, but take like 3 +9s
whole salmon
Sometimes they just proceed to lose 1 ticket
And only move 4
These are usually your merit hunters who doesn’t give a crap about winrate
whole salmon
Those happen quite often
sand cape
i updated the exercise wiki page so its way more accurate
also removed a lot of filler apparently 
might take a while to update on user-end though, but it will update eventually 
whole salmon
It’s kinda hard to explain a proper pvp strategy
flat veldt
just make your own rushers 
sand cape
It’s kinda hard to explain a proper pvp strategy
exactly why i just removed the strategies section entirely on the wiki page 
untold crater
It’s kinda hard to explain a proper pvp strategy
It's easy to teach players but hard with wiki because can't answer their questions
flat veldt
It's easy to teach players but hard with wiki because can't answer their questio...
how many metafy lessons do I need to take to get EoS AotN?
untold crater
For you, you pay with your time 😳
frigid hamlet
I never learned anything through experience, I just 15 minute bagged and paid attention to 35 point diffs and got 6th or 7th eos in that one season I tried in 2021. I guess the tryhard strats are only needed for top 1 or for 2600
untold crater
Pretty much yeah
whole salmon
I never learned anything through experience, I just 15 minute bagged and paid at...
Half of the time, rank 1 is determined by the last reset
After second reset Sunday, most top players are only 1-3 points apart
untold crater
ahh missed the show
Can always start another one 🥺
whole salmon
So it comes down with rng for rank 1
cinder wolf
go ahead
whole salmon
But top 10 eos definitely isn’t rng based
untold crater
The only way to mitigate rng from cucking you in EoS set is by building a lead beforehand
That's it tbh
whole salmon
Yeah unless you are like 6 points ahead of top 2
somber monolith
might take a while to update on user-end though, but it will update eventually <...
Explains why, I was going to report that...
untold crater
Well
whole salmon
Otherwise the last reset could make or break
flat veldt
And then he finish +2 on me so
background character issue
whole salmon
Like last season Lexington for example, Aldarn aside, everyone else was only 1-3 points apart
Top 3 was 2593 with top 10 being 2587
whole salmon
Top 3 was 2593 with top 10 being 2587
So the last reset could totally have shifted positions of those in that gap depending on rng
untold crater
background character issue
😭
whole salmon
Also another thing that affect pvp is maint
8 hour maint pretty much kills half of the movers
untold crater
Pink i don't even believe that tbh
whole salmon
After a long maint like that one 11 hour maint a while back, pvp became such a dumpster fire
This season has also been a dumpster so far with Shep and Kaoru overcapping for some reason
untold crater
TW always has maint going over a set
whole salmon
TW always has maint going over a set
Taiwan server only has like a total playerbase of 15 people
untold crater
Well, it's also like 4-6h maint at most so maybe not important
whole salmon
untold crater
TW player base in pvp is like 1/6th of Amagi yeah
whole salmon
Also talking about server
Man Washington’s pvp is so washed these past few seasons
Sandy’s is as well but that’s Sandy for you
untold crater
And t100 even more
whole salmon
Yeah the consistent performance has been so ded
I mean even then, Lexington has consistent top 10s but our top 100 last season was more dead than any other server
Last season top 100 was 2517
But our top 10 got a tight grouping
pseudo copper
2323 top 100 
untold crater
Top 10 more dead, but top 100 wasnt
whole salmon
He meant 2523
untold crater
Oop
whole salmon
So top 100 isn’t dead
pseudo copper
Ik
pseudo copper
2323 is too high, we should lower t100 to 0
untold crater
But top 10 is kinda on the low side
Yeah like 3-4 baggers overcap
Think best Amagi season was 2596 rank 1 and rank 10 was still 2589
whole salmon
Lexington this season is also quite dead
Kaoru and Shep are our top baggers
But both overcap this season
And by a lot
Like 4+ tickets
untold crater
Hmm plasma has his normal pace tho
whole salmon
So we might see some new players in top 10 eos for once
Yeah it’s Plasma pace
He’s special
untold crater
Wish was as good as him
sand cape
vanguard
vanguard is the only good hms bb on pvp
you can check the guide in pins for good fleets to use if you want to maximize merit/rank
if you are just starting out and dont care about merit/rank, just use 6 ships you wanna level and fight high level stuff for exp
candid sluice
not really unless u count jarbus 
full venture
i cannot just use 3 very low hp and die
uncut agate
which royal battleship is the best to use except the queen
Warspite retrofit and Vanguard, rest are bad
candid sluice
not for pvp
young storm
can you use suzutzuki as budget anchorage
silk sedge
How good is Aquila in PvP? Seeing her a lot in high-level fleets
dreamy lance
best preload carrier
young storm
is this some kind of full preload fleet strat 
frigid hamlet
just smoke it
coral wren
One time i got whitewashed with that full preload main fleet
brazen socket
Between vanny and nj who'd like rainbow table better?
untold crater
NJ then vanguard flag
coral wren
is this some kind of full preload fleet strat <:Thinkpitz:470795614246928384>
To nuke someone as fast as possible, why not
somber monolith
What CV’s reload the slowest, I need a reload time around 40-50 seconds for timing purposes
untold crater
Perseus
candid sluice
ure not gonna get that low launch time unless u gimp their loadout
untold crater
She can fire around that time .maybe idk
Or just Shinano's 2nd AS
With 2x wyvern + tenrai
steel coral
indep with beacon fires her third around 50
light crystal
Gud bunni
coral wren
Avrora server seemed active too I assume
grand smelt
So if one is terrible enough as to not have Torpedo Bunny, what would be a good replacement? Torpedo Demon? Hungry Doggo?
cinder wolf
yes
grand smelt
ah ok. Lucky she's one of the ones I had leveled up a significantly. So have her outfitted as show like so? Or different loadout when substitute for Kaze?
cinder wolf
thatd works
untold crater
Yeah that's good, maybe use 2 boilers since yours is 120
But if you find that she's not dying early enough swap to 2 gyro
grand smelt
well gotta wait for the restock to test, but gonna be grinding her in 12-4/OpSi to get 125
ty ^.^
but this the ones I got, just gotta level up a few of em.
untold crater
Maybe use Noshiro over duca
grand smelt
Maybe use Noshiro over duca
oh? Any particular reason why?
I mean I DO have her maxed out because oni boat waifu
grand smelt
ah. I see. And that is a pretty good counter to Shimi. ty
but guessing torp bulge would be too investing in a hard counter when she can just be general tank
quaint dome
what times are pvp reset? any time zone works i can convert from there
grand smelt
what times are pvp reset? any time zone works i can convert from there
I believe it's still 1200, 1800, 2400 MST
"At the start of a season, Commanders start with 5 Exercise attempts, and gain 5 additional attempts three times a day:
The Daily Reset, at 00:00 Server Time.
12 hours later, at 12:00 Server Time.
6 hours later, at 18:00 Server Time.
Server time for JP is UTC+9. Server time for EN is UTC-7. Server time always has the same UTC offset regardless of any country's daylight savings time."
yep UTC -7 is MST
quaint dome
9pm, 9am, 3pm should be for est if i moved that correctly
grand smelt
which makes me curious where the EN servers are based from if they use MST
grand smelt
9pm, 9am, 3pm should be for est if i moved that correctly
negative, EST is UCT -5, or MST +2 hours. so 1400, 2000, 0200
grand smelt
or 2 PM, 8 PM, 2 AM
quaint dome
well im set for next season then
quaint dome
i got my alarms set im all ready
wont be able to sandbag the morning exercises because i got class right then but doing them about 2.5 hours early shouldnt kill my AotN run
grand smelt
there's also a Discord Meta server you can join that you can sign up for pings so it alerts you 15 minutes before the reset. But idk how they are about posting other discord links in here so 
quaint dome
im already there
this place just has more people so i figured i would get a faster response
grand smelt
this place just has more people so i figured i would get a faster response
wait why you need a reminder of when it is when you're already part of the META server that pings you? lol
quaint dome
i dont get discord pings on my phone
i set up alarms for when i know i will have time to do them vs just 15m before reset
untold crater
For now it's like that
Check when your country has DST occuring (if it has that)
That will change your clocks by 1 hour
harsh ginkgo
How's the PvP scene looking like?
trail temple
Looking like in terms of meta? Or in terms of activity? Or both?
harsh ginkgo
Looking like in terms of meta? Or in terms of activity? Or both?
both
candid sluice
⚰️
stable dawn
💀
harsh ginkgo
I see
untold crater
trail temple
both
Meta state: check the pins
Activity: Pretty dead, people need to do their exercises
harsh ginkgo
Meta state: check the pins
Activity: Pretty dead, people need to do their exerci...
Does that mean it's easier to climb through PvP or harder ?
finite wraith
Does that mean it's easier to climb through PvP or harder ?
Rock pfp
untold crater
Does that mean it's easier to climb through PvP or harder ?
Depends on your server, not all dead
harsh ginkgo
Depends on your server, not all dead
Yeah my server I think not that dead I'd like to hope
Any way to see if its dead or not like the numbers? I'm in Lexington
harsh ginkgo
Rock pfp<:NagaShock:585585242174128131>
My pfp? Phos :"D
untold crater
@brah 💀
candid sluice
lexington is alive relatively speaking
trail temple
Does that mean it's easier to climb through PvP or harder ?
Probably easier to hit milestones, as long as you aren't losing
finite wraith
My pfp? Phos :"D
Same, very good
untold crater
Phos best rock?
harsh ginkgo
Probably easier to hit milestones, as long as you aren't losing
After been doing much Exercises, It's mostly just a numbers game right? Or are there instances where even if the stats say you are in favor, you still lose? And also at the most left is the highest ranking player you get, and if you win do you get more points compared to lets say choosing the most right?
untold crater
There is only luck on the last set of pvp
harsh ginkgo
Phos best rock?
Yeah love Phos , but I like Rutile as well, she comes to a very very close second.
untold crater
And yes you will get more points from fighting left most rather than rightmost
Bonus points based on point difference not rank though
harsh ginkgo
Everyone has a limit of 10 exercises per day right?
untold crater
No
harsh ginkgo
I feel like my rank resets and I can't climb further?
untold crater
Everyone can have up to 10 exercises, but you have 15 a day
harsh ginkgo
Everyone can have up to 10 exercises, but you have 15 a day
wait 15 where can I find that
its 0 / 10 in my exercises
untold crater
So 27minutes ago, the day reset in AL, you just got +5 exercises then, in 11h 33min you will have another +5, that's 10, and 6 hours after that, you will get another 5, that's the 15
Recommend watching the Azur Lane Meta exercise guides, they're good introductory videos
PvP Beginner Guide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fC0XEh_QHY
PvP Advanced Guide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kd-isT5Jac
harsh ginkgo
So 27minutes ago, the day reset in AL, you just got +5 exercises then, in 11h 33...
Huh, yeah it just reset but its 10/10 for me rn it should be 5/10 according to what you typed out right?
harsh ginkgo
PvP Beginner Guide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fC0XEh_QHY
PvP Advanced Guid...
thanks will listen in
floral wave
you get 5x 3 times a day
but if you didnt spend all 10 or kept it at 5/10 it will be 10/10 after reset
untold crater
Huh, yeah it just reset but its 10/10 for me rn it should be 5/10 according to w...
You should 5/10 at around 10mins before reset
But if someone on your list does a notable amount of exercises, you should attack them and wait again
harsh ginkgo
But if someone on your list does a notable amount of exercises, you should attac...
How are you able to know that?
floral wave
relog
and check ranks, if its much higher than yours, then the person did their exercises
untold crater
Look at the rank discrepancy between your lists
Right now your left most gives +11 points
Recommend attacking him
At least it looks like he does
untold crater
Huh
harsh ginkgo
Even though I lose>?
harsh ginkgo
Wait you can do that?
untold crater
Yes
floral wave
yeah
untold crater
As many times as you want
harsh ginkgo
So you can keep repeating it? Like during the fight I'll exit the application and relog?
floral wave
no
harsh ginkgo
And try again
Ohh does it count like 8/10 becomes 7/10?
untold crater
No
whole salmon
No
untold crater
Stays
harsh ginkgo
And try again
Wait try the same thing but doesnt that lead to the same results?
Or it somehow affects the receiving end?
floral wave
theres lots of rng in evasion
untold crater
Wait try the same thing but doesnt that lead to the same results?
No, there is quite a bit of luck involved in these battles
whole salmon
It doesn’t leave to the same result if your fleet are good enough
If your fleet is soo behind then it would probably lead to same result
harsh ginkgo
No, there is quite a bit of luck involved in these battles
Ohhh
harsh ginkgo
If your fleet is soo behind then it would probably lead to same result
Righttt
whole salmon
But if your fleet is only a bit behind then things could happen that let you win
Be it an RNG torp proc, just evasion being pepega
untold crater
But most players have 95%+ winrates, so recommend getting good gears and ships
harsh ginkgo
So this tip probably applies to people who have maxed out and are relying on like very miniscule differences and luck?
whole salmon
It could take you 4-5 tries or even 12 tries
floral wave
due to attacker bonus you should be able to fight much better fleets
untold crater
So this tip probably applies to people who have maxed out and are relying on lik...
Not really, attacker has a huge 20% buff compared to defender, more so applies to weaker player attacking stronger player
harsh ginkgo
Not really, attacker has a huge 20% buff compared to defender, more so applies t...
Oh wow interesting
whole salmon
Even the best of fleets are still screwed over by RNG
untold crater
That's how even against the best fleets top players have like 70-90% WRs
whole salmon
Even the best of fleets are still screwed over by RNG
Sometimes it just isn’t your day and enemy Shima torps just 1 shots your NJ right from the gate
harsh ginkgo
So whenever I lose I'll blame it on bad luck XD
whole salmon
floral wave
since everyone that has shimakaze runs it, its rng torp fest
untold crater
If you lose blame your reaction time, can just pause
whole salmon
But most strong fleets have around 80% win rate against other strong fleets
harsh ginkgo
Any meta current pvp tier list links?
floral wave
well, everyone except that one person
whole salmon
You could also run some “insurance”
untold crater
: 📌
floral wave
doc in pins
whole salmon
And just exit out whenever their invulnerability skill proc
Which should give you ample time even with slow reaction
And if your reaction is so slow that you can’t exit during the 15 sec invul then you probably deserve to lose
floral wave
i hoped 15sec invul will let me win once so i waited instead of redoing the fight
result should be obvious
untold crater
15
whole salmon
15
floral wave
no, you want to win everything
untold crater
You never lose ever
harsh ginkgo
ohhh
whole salmon
It is actually impossible to lose if you know what you are doing
harsh ginkgo
It is actually impossible to lose if you know what you are doing
Interesting
floral wave
losing is just as bad as not doing fights
whole salmon
Since you can just exit whenever you are in trouble
The problem is yeah, overcapping
untold crater
Know your limits
whole salmon
Where you take too long retrying and overcaps and loses the tickets
floral wave
know your sleep limits
whole salmon
Firstly, you have to figure out your pvp reset schedule
What time is it for you currently? @harsh ginkgo
harsh ginkgo
What time is it for you currently? <@208530406209880064>
3:44 PM
harsh ginkgo
can i take on any of these guys or just new opponent i have 13093 main fleet 13205 vanguard
whole salmon
You have to be at 5/10 tickets before those intervals
whole salmon
3pm, 3am and 9am
So for example
harsh ginkgo
3pm, 3am and 9am
thanks for doing the math
floral wave
small tip: fleet power means almost nothing
whole salmon
Your next reset is at 3am
harsh ginkgo
small tip: fleet power means almost nothing
ohhh
whole salmon
So before 3am, you have to be at 5/10
floral wave
dont get intimidated by 17/18k power fleets
whole salmon
And after 3am, you will be back to 10/10
untold crater
Show dock
whole salmon
And you have to be back to 5/10 before 9am
harsh ginkgo
Very useful info ty guys
whole salmon
Firstly you have to judge their fleet composition
floral wave
fleet power is highly influenced by ship rarity and gear rarity/enhancement levels
whole salmon
Secondly, the fleet power may give you hints into their gear enhancement level
And that is what you should judge a fleet on
Composition of the fleet always comes first, fleet level comes second
floral wave
so you could just slap 6 rainbows with lots of rainbow gear, but that wouldnt be the best fleet
whole salmon
It could be a high fleet power fleet but has bad ships
Or a fleet of good ship but low fleet power due to no gear
Usually around 16-17k backline is what you have to be careful of
harsh ginkgo
Leftmost always 11 points? or theres more points depending on how high their rank is? just rng?
finite wraith
Phos best rock?
Ofc
whole salmon
Cus those are fleets with strong ships with actual pvp gear
candid sluice
what fleet are u using on attack
floral wave
yukana showed a pic earlier
harsh ginkgo
Usually around 16-17k backline is what you have to be careful of
So for my current level I can take on 15k below?
untold crater
Leftmost always 11 points? or theres more points depending on how high their ran...
No almost always 10 points
floral wave
that listed points needed for at least a +1 om base score
harsh ginkgo
what fleet are u using on attack
Me? my ships?
untold crater
After 1050 points for a +11 your enemy needs 35 more points than you
untold crater
Me? my ships?
Yes show your fleet and then your dock
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BewmBsf4EWKAf_UwYax05c7ksL51y6sjs96pIwD73Jc/edit?usp=sharing
Can you make any fleet from here?
harsh ginkgo
Yes show your fleet and then your dock
I'm using both attack fleet and defend fleet like same ships, also use these guys for my PvE
untold crater
Ahh that fleet gonna crumble
candid sluice
that french fleet?
untold crater
Yes that french fleet
harsh ginkgo
Ahh that fleet gonna crumble
XD Just like how the french crumbled in the world wars
untold crater
Yeaaaahh that's looking rough
candid sluice
damn not even vanguard
harsh ginkgo
Yeah im 4 months in the game
untold crater
Missed Shinano?
untold crater
I think Unikai/Hiryuu/Warspite/Juneau/Yuki/Helena
untold crater
All those ships perma
floral wave
maybe noshiro warchive soon
whole salmon
Brah did it with hiryuu flag warkai vanguard, juneau helena suzu/jervis
For the 2 months aotn from scratch
whole salmon
Yeah looks rough due to no UR
As for old meta stuff pre UR then I dunno if it is even applicable
Even those requires Dev 30 FDG
untold crater
Was gonna say Akaga but needs tenrais and wyvern for it to work
whole salmon
We can do copium Sodak or copium foxes for him but ehh it will still be rough
candid sluice
could try nagato old meta
whole salmon
And yeah he might not have the gear
untold crater
Nah that fleet above works better
Preload, WK snipe, Hiryuu invul, Yuki stalling, Juneau healing and Helena proc
Although 1.4x 0 is still 0
whole salmon
Not worth it if he lacks Aquila and VV
untold crater
I didn't use her yet idk
candid sluice
she suck
whole salmon
@harsh ginkgo do you have Hiryuu and Warspite
harsh ginkgo
<@208530406209880064> do you have Hiryuu and Warspite
Nope
candid sluice
can always farm hiryu
floral wave
tbh with those ships warspite and hiryuu could even help you in pve, so no loss there
candid sluice
and warkai is in medal shop rotation
untold crater
PvE not relevant
The only time you struggle is w14 and arbiter
And meta fight for those who care
untold crater
Andy just a hater
elder cedar
Just as relevant as the people who preach the use of Manjuu NJ
I use the chicken on NJ
boreal parcel
Love it when people put up defence monofleets like this. The best part is using another non-IJN monofleet against it
rich cedar
So now that augments cause Duca’s second torpedo volley to be lost to the ether, what’s the new meta frontline if you don’t have Shima?
rich cedar
Harbin just because of sheer torp volume?
floral wave
mainly because of smoke i guess
and duca is still widely used
youd only drop her if you dropped vv i guess
boreal parcel
why would ijn monofleet be no fun
Because Shimakaze's double torp preload would instantly delete that KMS vanguard. It's like you're planning to watch a sword duel between equals and one guy just shoots the other instead
boreal parcel
So now that augments cause Duca’s second torpedo volley to be lost to the ether,...
Could you please elaborate? How do augments remove the volley?
supple trout
For PvP should I go Vanguard or FdG? My main fleet already has Ulrich and Enterprise
untold crater
Show dock
supple trout
supple trout
Looks good, thanks!
untold crater
Need good equips too
steel coral
Ryuusei 
untold crater
Those who know, know
untold crater
no?
frosty goblet
sour oasis
Feel asleep this month. Anchorage getting FS isn't very motivating.
burnt knoll
Hey guys, I'm currently running this fleet for pvp and have my harbin at max dev, is she good enough to replace abruzzi?
And if I replace her with harbin, would vanguard be better than vv?
torpid shuttle
#1012140209783181423 message
This is my dock that i posted in a thread
Im using Vanny Warkai indepkai, ancho nosh juneau, but basically im wondering if gari is a good slot over juneau 
untold crater
Hey guys, I'm currently running this fleet for pvp and have my harbin at max dev...
Yeah and yeah, interesting fleet to test
dreamy lance
Yes, if you replace Duca with harbin you no longer want VV
untold crater
https://discord.com/channels/456397991847395339/1012140209783181423/101214100430...
Who is gari?
Better fleet idea is VG/Shinano/Hiryuu/Anchorage/Noshiro/Juneau tbh
dreamy lance
Duca's sister
untold crater
dreamy lance
And if I replace her with harbin, would vanguard be better than vv?
https://youtu.be/NBGIFqNF4Bo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5_2QfkI_QA you can watch these to get an idea of how the fleet performs on offense and defense.
torpid shuttle
Who is gari?
Better fleet idea is VG/Shinano/Hiryuu/Anchorage/Noshiro/Juneau tbh
garibaldi
untold crater
Yeah she is suck
tacit fox
does leveling AA mode on juneau matter at all in pvp?
untold crater
Of course
Not too much but anything helps
Higher AA, lower hp planes, less crash damage on impact
coral wren
https://youtu.be/NBGIFqNF4Bo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5_2QfkI_QA you can...
IMO i don't think Harbin is that useful just for havin torp spam 
untold crater
Those torps do what?
candid sluice
Manju nj… bruh…
coral wren
Those torps do what?
It only keeps releasing torps
coral wren
I do think Ancho is still better
coral wren
Gonna be dobbo trabo
warm crow
is there a benefit in setting a good defense fleet? e.g. do i go down the ranks faster if i have an easy defense fleet
floral wave
theres a high chance more people will surpass you if you have weak defense fleet
which means you might have more chances to get a bonus
really strong defense fleet only benefits you, or might benefit, if youre going for top 10 eos
untold crater
Strong defense fleet is for weak player
hot creek
put up a strong defense to gatekeep the weaker players, that's all it really does.
fleet laurel
i only have 1 457mm, if i want to use this fleet, who should take the 457mm and the other BB should use which gun?
cinder wolf
457 on nj, gear lab twin ap gun on vangs
fleet laurel
in this fleet, why juneau use gyro? if for speed i think boiler better?
zenith lantern
Because on attack your Juneau won’t die if she has defensive aux which makes her kinda useless
Even the bulge might be too much
torpid shuttle
im starting to run into juneau not dying problems after i started leveling her ill try gyros soon
torpid shuttle
do yall recognize washy players?
stable dawn
trail temple
do yall recognize washy players?
What about them? Yeah I know those names
candid sluice
the entire washi population retired already
dreamy lance
Final day of the season, who hasn't gotten AoTN yet? 
thorn obsidian
How good is Indomptable for pvp?
Cause this is my current pvp fleet and I was able to kill this one guys team easily, but when it came to her, she lived for an entire minute alone, no backline
untold crater
Noshiro?
thorn obsidian
Juneau
coral wren
She's very important for HP recovery purposes, so you should consider levelin
untold crater
Yes you can
lime folio
right maybe without the aviation fuel
coral wren
I think only JP server can do that, or maybe ask Nguyen
untold crater
What? EN is caught up on everything
The only thing you can improve on is your tech from 120s
Although it doesn't apply in pvp, the numbers still go up
somber monolith
Cause this is my current pvp fleet and I was able to kill this one guys team eas...
I don’t think you should have much trouble killing her
Or at least not more trouble than max EVA Javelin anyways
coral wren
The only thing you can improve on is your tech from 120s
So, just the same already since many of our fellow EN players already place gold/rainbow gear, nothing new
cinder wolf
can we go even higher for mafia
lime folio
3rd ship?
untold crater
Probably BB like FdG or Warspite
coral wren
Impossible now 
cinder wolf
wrong
floral wave
double tenrai/wyvern haku/shinano?
sour oasis
Nothing is impossible with 
cinder wolf
hakumon
cinder wolf
double tenrai/wyvern haku/shinano?
damn ur good
floral wave
frigid hamlet
EN only has one Z flag right? So we have less fleet power
cinder wolf
yes
lime folio
Probably BB like FdG or Warspite
I mean I'm not doubting it's possible to get 19k lol
I'm saying with a PvP fleet
since its the pvp channel
i get the same with hakuryu nj vang or fdg
clear eagle
This guy fleet scare me
uncut agate
I guess it's scary for newbies, 25.5k rank
strange tide
Well, this happened.
untold crater
Did you Overcap or...?
frigid hamlet
pure skill 
strange tide
Did you Overcap or...?
Not that reset, but through the season, yeah, like twice I think.
strange tide
Sad part is I overcapped like Thursday night, at 9/10, and I had a chance of getting AotN if it hadn't happened, if I rushed from 10/10 at 2100.
strange tide
Do you remember the exact point difference?
Nope, didn't check, but I can only assume it was above 105.
Since an extra point requires 35 points during the +10 nightmare.
untold crater
Yeah but +12 is 71pt not 70
strange tide
Wait wut?
untold crater
So i wonder if it's +1 for each extra bonus
Like +35 = +11
(+35+36) = +12
(+35+36+37) = +13
strange tide
Huh.
untold crater
But i have never gotten someone to test this since it's rare to have someone 100 points above you
strange tide
Like last season I got a +12, but I also didn't screenshot the point difference, but that's weird.
untold crater
Nah +71 is confirmed to be the cutoff for a +12
strange tide
Welp, I guess I know now, I'll check next time.
untold crater
strange tide
It's funny when RNG just gives you a +11 on a new batch after a fight.
untold crater
Even funnier when you are rank 96 and still roll rank 97 leftmost
strange tide
Yeah, that is infuriating.
untold crater
Latias i need to ask this
Why do you have 4 skins on your pvp ships but no oaths for stat boosts
strange tide
I only oath St. Louis.
untold crater
strange tide
And uh.
Oh wait, defence fleet.
For Lusty I just like her default.
...And every other ship has a skin. 
What do you mean by 4?
untold crater
based waifu over meta player
Oh it's 5 you're right
So used to seeing that aquila skin i just think it's default
strange tide
Oh you're talking about my attack fleet.
untold crater
Yeah
strange tide
...Oh, right, I posted a screenshot of it.
I thought you were talking about my defence fleet for some reason. 
And well.
Every ship there has a skin.
Anka doesn't, still.
They're still deciding on which qipao to give her, clearly.
strange tide
Like she has so many loading screens (and merch) where she's wearing a different qipao.
flat veldt
Congrats to Unultra for getting rank 1!
flat veldt
even with 1 missed fight, he is still the strongest player in Amagi
distant void
Yep
The time when he's still level 86 was it? We now know how strong Ult is in PvP
this guy just opened the big door and casually walks towards the throne, and just sits there not minding the others who fought for the throne.
flat veldt
yea pretty sure he holds the Amagi record for being the lowest commander level to get rank 1
no one was ready when he won that one season during week 1
distant void
no one was ready when he won that one season during week 1
Indeed
coral wren
Congrats to Unultra for getting rank 1! <:z35wow:471465324924108811>
No way
Still I don't even know who he is
trail temple
So i wonder if it's +1 for each extra bonus
108 is +13
vapid mango
'bout to end this man career twice
(I just fought him earlier)
untold crater
Rank so high the font messing up
trail temple
I should have asked if 107 is
107 is still +12
trail temple
Confirmed? 🤔
I have tested it half a dozen times already, feel free to try more if you wish
untold crater
Just that last time it didn't seem confirmed
I believe you
This applies to every other bonus yes?
Like commander, Ensign etc
trail temple
They'd have different thresholds
Roughly 23 for +1 for capt rank
Roughly 15 for seaman
stable dawn
trail temple
What I'm asking is a +2 for seaman is (+15+16)?
Haven't been able to determine it
untold crater
Gotcha
trail temple
SC dominance
coral wren
Matcha at No.1
dreamy lance
candid sluice
Standard M lord victory
candid sluice
Wtf is that cringe old meta
buddies from different servers
stable dawn
dreamy lance
lexington is dead 
cinder wolf
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/892024913764950036/1013709473644294164/...
M upside down is W
dreamy lance
W + Amagi record = best player
delicate owl
untold crater
dreamy lance
Amagi sees Lexington's Harbin invasion and raises the Shinano Invasion (2022, coloured)
untold crater
Nooo we have seyd Harbin fleet bro
steel coral
more food
untold crater
That is terrifying trust me
candid sluice
Shiver me timbers
whole salmon
<:AkachanSmug:585585228014288954> buddies from different servers
He’s not even in this server anymore, don’t diss him
dreamy lance
Oh he is banned, RIP 
candid sluice
Too soon
stable dawn
lexington is dead <:HornetBruh:721896663928537130>
your #10 is above 2580 lmao
not even close to dead
untold crater
Imagine not 2585+ top 10
torpid shuttle
there's a couple fleets in pins
mighty ledge
Whats the strongest exercise fleet?
untold crater
Sheet in 📌
torpid shuttle
i mean i would post the pictures from pins but
might as well just read pins at that point
so check out pins
untold crater
Your backline FP seems low, what's up with your equips?
wicked surge
Your backline FP seems low, what's up with your equips?
Mle and hsfcr
While nj runs manjuu
457 for both?
untold crater
Ah i see no 457s at all
wicked surge
Ah i see no 457s at all
Well I have 457s , been using mle for pve lol
untold crater
Recommend swapping to 457s, much better for both these ships
wicked surge
The auxes are fine?
wicked surge
untold crater
Sea hornet over tigercat, no tenrai?
wicked surge
I have a tenrai
wicked surge
Wnt?
untold crater
Either of these 2 works
wicked surge
Which is better?
untold crater
I prefer Feather
untold crater
Are bb auxes not a problem?
Take off bow from NJ and put sword
untold crater
Add crossbow to Harbin, and greatsword to anchorage
trail temple
Those AA guns are not meant for pvp
wicked surge
Yeah they are remnant from my pve stuff
untold crater
Something like this for anchorage
For Shimakaze, i prefer tea torp to snipe a backliner than quint mags
wicked surge
Any reason for staag?
untold crater
On Shima? Hit for torpedoes
Harder for ships to evade her torpedos
Her AA stat is low so sextuple wouldn't matter
wicked surge
Also vanguard would be better then vv right?
untold crater
For Harbin? Yes
VV would have 40+15% off first salvo instead of 40+40+15% off first salvo
wicked surge
What if I want duca? How is vanguard compare to the mafia setup?
untold crater
Faster battles, lower winrate
But the winrate difference is very small
And the speed of the battle is also smaller
Like maybe go from 80% WR to 75% and go to on average 20s battles to 18s
They are pretty much equal fleets
wicked surge
So vv is a more reliable fleet?
untold crater
Slightly, but also slightly slower
And in the same vain, IJN fleet is a bit more consistent, but also slower
wicked surge
By speed you mean speed of each battle right?
untold crater
Yeah, battle duration
wicked surge
Hmmm thanks for the help
untold crater
For Harbin maybe i can find a setup that's being tested
wicked surge
If you can it will be appreciated
wicked surge
why tea torps instead of the other rainbow torp?
untold crater
Timing as well as hitting backliner, i assume
Using quint mag makes harder to time for CV AS
wicked surge
hmmm i dont have a spare black shell , guess ill run rainbow mag for harbin
untold crater
Since Harbin has smokescreen that has 40% Plane DR
I think if you use rainbow mag on harbin
You might need goldburn aux for the 38 rld
wicked surge
hmm gotta swap out pearls tears then
untold crater
Yeah you would need defense Shima setup one sec
wicked surge
Something like this?
untold crater
Swap rudder to a boiler
wicked surge
for speed?
coral wren
Something like this for anchorage
I used pasta bofors instead of sextuplets for her
untold crater
What even is that
coral wren
PR4 AA gun
untold crater
Ah that thing
I don't know how good it is since it's new gear
But I think sextuple still better
coral wren
But pasta aa got faster RLD, ideal for ships with subpar AA stats
untold crater
RLD won't matter
wicked surge
oh yeah you said defense shima, what changes for her?
untold crater
No shot your VG shoot planes twice
untold crater
oh yeah you said defense shima, what changes for her?
sec
Middle one from presets
Then you can use that other Harbin gear
wicked surge
Middle one from presets
my harbin is running the goldburn tho
coral wren
I still placed Stag gun for Shima
wicked surge
hmm my shima in the middle survies more then harbin so should i run a hp item instead of pearls?
wicked surge
yeah just got her dev 30 so still leveling her
This setup for Harbin?
I do have another rainbow torp if that is any better
untold crater
Wait do you not have any black torps?
wicked surge
Wait do you not have any black torps?
i do
tea torp setup for harbin and defense for shima?
untold crater
Yeah
untold crater
And 2x sextuple AA guns, one for anchorage, other for Harbin
wicked surge
yep
untold crater
Then STAAG on Shima
wicked surge
i have more then enough of those
whole salmon
@wicked surge mhm currently there are 3 ways to gear Harbin but I’m still trying to figure out which is better
- The most Basic Way is to use Quad Mag, which means the 2 aux slots aren’t gated and you can pretty much run anything. Most run Boiler + Cosmic Kicks. This also lets you run Crossbow Aug
- The next way is to run MKIX, which means 1 aux slot is gated to black torp and the Aug is gated to the Sword for reload stat
- For Quint Mag then it is still in the testing phase but the full combo of Oath + Goldburn + Sword Aug might be necessary to get the reload down to 22 sec
whole salmon
- For Quint Mag then it is still in the testing phase but the full combo of Oath...
This is with Quint Mag
I removed fleet tech
Mine is oathed but not 200 affinity yet
wicked surge
Quad is quad magnetic right? Nvm I saw it
whole salmon
Autoloader is put in instead of goldburn to display the reload changes
Which got the reload down to 22.25
wicked surge
Hmmm I c
whole salmon
There’s really no correct way to gear Harbin as of yet since tbh there aren’t enough Harbins running around to know for sure
Each person I know do run Harbin but all of our Harbins are geared differently
whole salmon
Quad Mag is slightly faster
Oh wait that is with sword
Okay here
Point is that Quad Mag is the safer option if you don’t have oaths
untold crater
🤔
whole salmon
MKIX Black torp is even slower than Goldburn Quint
As for which comp Harbin works on then mhm
Standard Mafia of VV NJ Aquila, Ancho Shima Duca probably won’t see any changes
Weeb comp of NJ Shinano Hiryuu, Ancho Shima Juneau may see Harbin replacing Ancho but currently I still doubt it
Seydlitz comp of NJ Seydlitz Aquila, Ancho Agir Shima likely too won’t see changes
Zoomer comp of NJ Vanguard Aquila, Ancho Shima [third slot] would have Harbin there instead of current options like Noshiro, Yukikaze, Juneau, Duca
thorn ingot
is using CAs in pvp bad
royal beacon
Is the CA isn't Anchorage then yes
arctic sluice
candid sluice
trail temple
My Amagi server fleet doesn't have NJ either, thus using Vanguard in her place. Not as good, but works
flat veldt
some Amagi player finished T20 last season without NJ
lament sand
Well I quite regularly end in t20-30 without NJ (last season either 11 or 12) on Amagi.
Sometimes its painful, but doable
dreamy lance
Top 15
dreamy lance
Drek is retired, he moved on to conquer sandy
untold crater
Divide and conquer
candid sluice
Conquering sandy is like conquering Antarctica
coral wren
And I haven't played PvP since I got AotN at the end of July
untold crater
Hard as fuck because latias is there
flat veldt
are you forgetting that we have Unultra in our server? 
coral wren
Why would I forget I just saw it yesterday
flat veldt
Top 1 next season simple for drek
talking to skelly boy here, not you
candid sluice
💀
candid sluice
Guys where is matchas guide to pvp?? Why it not pinned?
flat veldt
it's pinned in the other disc
stable dawn
trail temple
Guys where is matchas guide to pvp?? Why it not pinned?
He probably doesn't want collusionists like Yukana knowing his strats
late heath
I’m the main part of Matcha strategy all along
Always run early so he can bag off me
flat veldt
I’m the main part of Matcha strategy all along
oi, discussion of Matcha strat not allowed in public 
untold crater
❗
pseudo copper
are you forgetting that we have Unultra in our server? <a:LaffeyShake:5886297109...
Unultra is too good, was already AotN in first reset, I need to get better
untold crater
He probably doesn't want collusionists like Yukana knowing his strats
Implying that even if i knew his strats i could compete
coral wren
Why the fudge would he be gettin AotN and it's not even 2nd day of the season 
coral wren
Maybe a bug with the standings
pseudo copper
Nah, Unultra on 4800 pace
coral wren
Dunno where the 4800 came from
flat veldt
;pace 150 2554
flat veldt
candid sluice
Aotn first day is no problem for unultra
dreamy lance
this couldv’e been us 
instead we got ⚓ 😡
royal beacon
save the one you love for only 8 secs
elder cedar
finite wraith
flat veldt
trail temple
Implying that even if i knew his strats i could compete
Gotta take precautions, but you're right, 9th place finish, no chance
dreamy lance
Best player
coral wren
Bruh he's frikin swearing
I can see the word "cunt", like he's bein too arrogant
Pretty much it's not a surprise Matcha is very good in PvP if he really planned that sandbagging quite well
But I remember that very funny moment when I revealed one of my best anime show and he posted a GIF relating to it
I was laughing so hard, my guts are hurtin so bad and my voice is almost gone of all the loud laughing
Also a great entertainer if he just wanna have a bit of fun
trail temple
Maybe Famine is just that arrogant?
frank pebble
I don't have shimakaze sadly
untold crater
What backline you using?
frank pebble
frank pebble
For backline:
Fdg is dev27. 100 prints away
Avp is FS1, monarch is FS4, Rest are FS5
frank pebble
Isn't seydlitz>hiryuu tho?
untold crater
Who said haku
frank pebble
O, I read it wrong
flat veldt
famine has shared his secret for getting rank1s
Matcha guide leaked???
cinder wolf
m lord shared his secret 
coral wren
Now everyone knows his secret
frank pebble
So is seydlitz>hiryuukai
stable dawn
wow thanks for that secret document! I learned a lot!
Now I know all the strategies to master pvp!
floral wave
So is seydlitz>hiryuukai
no
winged depot
as yukana said, hiryuu better if she's with shinano