history

[edgy linden]

yall think we'll get like american DDG's soon?

[frigid karma]

Hope the fuck not

An Shan is a meme exception clearly meant to pander to cny and I love her

But she’s very clearly the exception

[strong plank]

Also like

The DDGs we did get were built pre-ww2

and modified in the 70s

[junior trench]

Bristol has a Taiwanese DDG refit

as do multiple other EU DDs that went to ROC in their later lives

[edgy linden]

i was more thinking of the ships built in the 50's 60's then converted DDG's

not a lot of Gearing-class were converted into DDG's

[junior trench]

we don't even have any Gearings in game yet

the An Shans are also from the 30s-40s

[edgy linden]

yeah we don't

but we do have the allen m sumner

which got FRAM II upgrades

[manic latch]

No need yet

[manic latch]

After Gearing they should add Uss Forrest Sherman

Shit torp stats but great FP

Maybe UR 127mm even

[edgy linden]

John Paul Jones would probably be better

because John Paul Jones was a DDG

[manic latch]

Why you want DDGs

[edgy linden]

cuz

it's cool

[manic latch]

Nah not before they are out of artillery ship options

Or else we might get focking Kirov class before Soyuz

[edgy linden]

well too bad, watch them add the Farragut-class DDG

[manic latch]

Will be watching

@tough quail https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_T-60S

[tough quail]

woke

[manic latch]

Cancelled in early 1990s

Since you know

Collapse

So Tu-22s stayed in service

[edgy linden]

The collapse the the soviet union

epic style

[manic latch]

not like US come unharmed. Sudden loss of big enemy reduced military budget of them too

Likely ruined some beautiful projects

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(aircraft)

[dapper parcel]

Just noticed that this was in Drach's drydock.

As usual, he somehow talk so much on the shoveling impracticality while forgetting that coal pulverizer and mechanical shoveler exists.
Pulverize fine enough and you don't even need to shovel (but that'd be explosion hazard).
I mean, how do you think coal powerplant works? someone shoveling 24/7?

[spiral cedar]

Any videos of a coal boiler in action actually?

On a warship

Not a train ofc

[manic latch]

This?

[spiral cedar]

Video

I know there are photos

[manic latch]

[spiral cedar]

I’m sure they exist for liners, but never seen one for a warship

[manic latch]

But this is Uss Washington

The old one

[spiral cedar]

Video

[alpine onyx]

digging through all the digitized archive material

and while there is naval content they rarely bother to actually enter the ships

but at least there is an "AA action" scene from a Teggethoff...

These guys hold the treasure you seek, machinery personnel filmed on deck

but they won't tell

[heavy bay]

I saw this video a while back of an operational coal fired triple expansion engine. not a warship though, srry.
Mostly focuses on the engine, but there's a bit of video of someone shoving coal into a boiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWQM1eQKdLY

[delicate beacon]

Nyehehehehehehehehe

Just an 18000ton ||submarine|| with 4x 38cm and 21kts

[maiden citrus]

finally, a dommarine

[frigid karma]

inb4 it's 38cm torps

[tough quail]

rofl

[junior trench]

Would "a/an" be considered a form of "the" or a form "one"

[tough quail]

i'd lean to the latter i think

[chilly osprey]

It's more the other side of the coin from 'the'

Indefinite article vs definite article

I mean, don't get me wrong, a/an can be analgous in use to 'one' (un/una and uno, anyone?), but in general it's a question of if you're referring to something specifically or a general something.

[junior trench]

I was more thinking about how often you can replace "a/an" with "one" and still get the same message across

Even if it would sound weird

[chilly osprey]

I mean, you can do it almost limitlessly, as since a/an is always referring to a single specific thing, it quite literally is analgous to saying 'one ____'

... huh.

So unless I'm mistaken, the etymology of a/an is the same as one, and you get the exact same thing but a bit more obviously in Italian.

I honestly never thought about it like that until now

[junior trench]

So is a/an an article or an adjective?

Apparently the answer to that question is "yes" because articles are the squares of the collective of rectangular adjectives...?

[chilly osprey]

lol

[maiden citrus]

oh hey what's going on in he-

[junior trench]

We're just talking about a/one weird grammar thing

[maiden citrus]

the brain twisters

[spring briar]

[shrewd pecan]

anyway now to post a text wall I wrote up after a rather disheartening discussion with some other Jews

I'm going to bring up one topic after an interaction with some other Jews of a different denomination that got a bit personal to me. So assuming Christians here are probably aware of their own inner religion's sect disputes, and there are plenty of those in Judaism, in particular, a certain group of extremist Orthodox Jews doesn't even see Conservative and reformed Jews as you actual Jews, I was kinda curious on the exact history of this dispute after repeatedly running into these type of other Jews (you can probably guess it's not fun being told you aren't of the religion you spent your entire life being raised in)

So general notes for this entire dispute

• Orthodox Judaism is typically noted for its disputes against other denominations due to well form of elitism since it sees itself as one of the purest branches of Judaism
• (my branch of Judaism) Regarding its views towards reformed Judaism, reformed Judaism rejects the Halakha and Talmud (Jewish Religious laws, note that Judaism was originally made to preserve the culture of the Israelites that later evolved into a religion), and the revelation at Sinai along with some other points
• Regarding Conservative Jews, Conservative as a denomination broke off from Orthodoxy and similarly either rejected or reduced the role of the Talmud and Halakha along with not taking the Torah as the literal word of god (both reformed and Conservative branches are taught to take the Torah as metaphor)

So this dispute has been going on for decades, especially within American Jewish communities where Reformed and Conservative have quickly grown to be the largest branches in the country, with Orthodox communities sought to ensure their survival in the face of losing members to other communities that or transforming into Conservative communities.

Outside of the US, Reformed and Orthodoxy have been going through long-term disputes in Europe since Reformed Judaism's origins in 1800s Europe. In Israel, this has also led to another dispute over the West wall and other key areas such as conversion and kosher laws. (In particular, Orthodox Jews have banned mixed-gender worship at the West Wall, and most Orthodox communities still practice gender segregation)

Now outside of these disputes, most Orthodox Jews obviously believe reformed and Conservative Jews as Jews, especially in the US, where reformed and Conservative communities are some of the only options for most Jews (in particular, my synagogue is the only one in a decent drive distance), tho I keep finding myself repeatedly running into this dispute and its kind of just disheartening how quickly certain Jews are to throw out others over a dispute they never really had any choice in.
(I'm guessing no one is gonna be really interested in this one tho; if anyone is I can post my sources for this if asked)

[spring briar]

[shrewd pecan]

only time I'm gonna post anything like this tbh

that discussion just really unnerved me earlier

[spring briar]

what happened?

[shrewd pecan]

ran into some other Jews on another discord server

they were the Orthodox type who don't see Reformed or Conservative Jews as Jews

(you can probably guess how that went for me)

and I was curious just to see where this entire thing came from

the pure amount of times I've met other Jews like this man

[maiden citrus]

Very sorry to hear that friend

Also that is a pretty interesting read because I don’t know much about these things

[zealous vine]

I cant seem to find reference for WoWs' Seattle, other than the things stated in the PR ship historical accuracy doc (or slide? I forgot..)

Even when I googled the designation stated there, nothing really came up.

I checked it in WoWs wiki, they didnt tell any historical info about it either (wierd considering they did something for Dallas)

[zealous vine]

.
Can anyone reference some info on it?

[zealous vine]

👌

Why did they have aviation facilities amidships, didnt they reject that practice on the Brooklyns?

[spring briar]

eventually the USN rejected it

[eternal veldt]

@zealous vine https://www.shipscribe.com/styles/S-511/albums/s511-cr.htm

https://www.shipscribe.com/styles/S-511/images/s-file/s511-38c.htm

Its as shrimple as that

As for amidships catapults, it's likely still under investigation due to inherent benefits it provides to seaplanes

Specifically, not getting shit on by weather or other kinds of battle damage, all the while without a gaping hole in the stern of the ship, a dangerous structural integrity/flooding issue no matter how you put it

Savo, of course, instantly proves that amidship plens are very bad for your health

[zealous vine]

Lemme guess, it's a big fire starter

[eternal veldt]

torches your whole ship for the enemy to see

[zealous vine]

mhm

[manic latch]

Average Bismarck fan

[desert agate]

https://tenor.com/view/3d-saul-saul-goodman-adamghik-gif-23876766

[tough quail]

hey fuck off we're not comparing an E36 to fucking Bismarck

at least that's actually good when it's maintained

[rapid junco]

I forgot to tell this little "incident" when the Marcílio Dias class video got out

Greenhalgh was at Ilha Grande (RJ) at the moment. Upon receiving the message that Vital was torpedoed, she gave full power on the engines to the location, remaining on patrol along the mouth of the Paraíba river on the night of July 20-21st, ready to answer any call from the aviation, whose activity was intensified.
At 11 AM of the 21st, she moved to Lat 24° 00' S Long 30° 00'W to attend a SOS call from the crew of a downed aircraft but didn't find anything. She then, headed for Cold Cape and took position on the rear of the enemy's probable next target: convoy JT-39.
At 10:15 AM of 26th, she was attacked by a torpedo of U-861, whose wake was clearly seen, thus being able to be avoided.
Greenhalgh counterattacked, forcing U-861 to go deeper.

U-861 was the same u-boat that had torpedoed the auxiliary ship Vital de Oliveira

[jovial elm]

Anybody here familiar with the dreadnaught hoax

Ligit really funny

[desert agate]

@alpine onyx do you have any primary evidence of Bismarck being referred to as "she"?

just out of curiosity

[alpine onyx]

In her war diary they used either neutral or female, the crew members in their testimonies used neutral or female and an assessment by the construction bureau used the female form

[desert agate]

awesome thank you

dont suppose you have a sc lying around or would that be a bit difficult to grab?

[peak mirage]

Yeah neuter/feminine was the go-to for everyone except Lindemann and his weird issues

I'd offer to go to the Bundesarchiv myself on this issue but I'm on the wrong side of Berlin for that

[alpine onyx]

This is from the latter piece

Always die Bismarck

[peak mirage]

Ope there we go

[desert agate]

thanks much appreciated

legend

[manic latch]

More importantly. What caused Bismarck being he to become popular knowledge just because of her captain alone

[alpine onyx]

Also I'll be correct and say that Eugen's commander also used he, but he applied the male form to every ship

So it was also male Hood, male Eugen, male Prince of Wales, etc

[manic latch]

Yikes

[desert agate]

[alpine onyx]

Why go so far when the internet has all you seek?

[desert agate]

what is it with senior german officers

[alpine onyx]

The war diaries for the larger ships have been digitized

[desert agate]

trying to find ship logs of RAN ships be like

doesnt help that most of the big units were lost

[peak mirage]

Because I'm on mobile lol

Too lazy to scan the internet that way

[alpine onyx]

Oh that sucks, their web interface for mobile is ass

[manic latch]

trying to imagine how Soyuz's logs would be in a reality where she was finished and fought.
Guess need a quantum computer to analyze all possibilities

[peak mirage]

Yeahhhh

Genuinely would be easier to just search in person

[alpine onyx]

https://invenio.bundesarchiv.de/invenio/direktlink/6a3798d4-f550-4bf4-b656-5e35e963da4a/

[desert agate]

why must you

be like this

[peak mirage]

Especially since U-Bahn internet is kinda ass

[alpine onyx]

For later if you want this link is gonna send you to Tirpitz' diaries, getting to Bismarck's from there is a matter of seconda

[peak mirage]

(By ass I mean it randomly cuts out)

[desert agate]

yeah that was my experience on german rail

[manic latch]

theology is a thing

[peak mirage]

Lindemann simping in the postwar and overreliance on his stuff versus the logs

[strong plank]

oh shit, what’s good Desu

[alpine onyx]

Also being digitized means I can just download the entire diary and keep it on my hard drive

[peak mirage]

Sup lol

[manic latch]

[peak mirage]

Reminds me that I need to come back to meetings when I'm not studying away

[strong plank]

lol

[peak mirage]

Actually a good idea tbh, I'll have to do that

[desert agate]

datahoarding is fun

[alpine onyx]

I'd blame this more on the mystical status Bismarck got, her being considered a special case and receing a male title instead of the usual female fell right into place there

The legendary Bismarck, too legendary to be a mere female, yada yada

[desert agate]

sexism

[peak mirage]

So legendary she died on her first real op

[desert agate]

oops

[remote monolith]

you mean mythical? Cause mystical would imply Bismarck had a run in with sorcerers st some point

[alpine onyx]

Definitely sexism, but if the story is true that was also the origin of all this

[peak mirage]

...wouldn't put it past the Nazis tbh

[strong plank]

I mean there was that thing with the cat

[alpine onyx]

Mythical yes

My vocab is still all over the place

💊

[desert agate]

himmler fucking summoning ancient germanic spirits or some shit just so his ships can get nuked

[peak mirage]

If Himmler got approval to do his weird shit...

[remote monolith]

all good, just funny to think of it

[peak mirage]

Unironically a concept I'm playing with in a worldbuilding project of mine

[desert agate]

👀

[delicate beacon]

Sireeeeeeene

Where Germaniawerft

Where Dutch botes

[desert agate]

java sea

[alpine onyx]

In Kiel

[peak mirage]

The Nazis get access to magic and arcane rituals which they think will help them win the war

The only problem is that:
-The Allies also have it
-The Resistance also has it
-All the spooky rituals in the world won't help you when the Allies can drown you in munitions and superior firepower

[desert agate]

based lmfao

no amount of wizardry can defeat high explosive raining upon you from the sky

[peak mirage]

There's also the fact that the majority of the Weimar magical community are one group or another that the Nazis would consider undesirable

So... most of them end up working for the Allies or Resistance groups

[frigid karma]

Mood

[peak mirage]

Anyways, off topic lol

[delicate beacon]

Gimme online archives

[alpine onyx]

Probably not gonna happen

[chilly osprey]

Hmmm, so, very dumb moment on my part. So, I only just realized when re-reading Augusto de Toro's article on Italian battleship procurement in the second half of the 1930s that it actually gives a breakdown of the new cruisers that were supposed to be ordered under the proposed seven-year program from 1937 to 1944. Since for the longest time I've always been confused as to what the makeup of the '20 light cruisers' force was supposed to be.

Apparently this plan called for order six new Abruzzi, plus eight scouts (which would end up being similar to the Capitani Romani in all likelyhood).

So the 20 CLs should have been;

2x Montecuccoli
2x Duca d'Aosta
8x Abruzzi
8x Capitani Romani

And I guess the Giussano-class and Cadorna-classes would be entirely retired and scrapped or converted into AA ships?

[alpine onyx]

Whatever exists is either in some weird subfolder of the federal archives that no mortal is gonna open in the next 600 years or it is in Krupp's archive, in which case, good luck. You'll need it.

[chilly osprey]

Not going to lie the thought of eight Abruzzi is just

[strong plank]

unlimited Ohisashi works

[spring briar]

unlimited lire works

[chilly osprey]

more like limited foreign exchange works

[ivory ridge]

Ciano where

[spring briar]

[chilly osprey]

too early for Ciano design

[manic latch]

Absolute unit

[shrewd pecan]

that thing

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/scares-me-i-fear-no-man-gif-21507033

[shrewd pecan]

overly obese IFVS with badly placed turrets

[unborn wyvern]

Damn, how do you fit inside?

[manic latch]

[dapper parcel]

IFV going back to infantry tank doctrine

[shrewd pecan]

honestly better off doing some stupid like the Chinese L7 with a coaxial 30 MM than the tiny 100 MM on that thing

[strong plank]

La creatura

[humble mulch]

Take this back

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684721152739770371/991042405161664562/unknown.png

[dapper parcel]

What's the middle one?
MCM? Signal?

[ivory ridge]

anti IED

[strong plank]

so it’s a long boi

[dapper parcel]

Disposal only huh? I thought it was full MCM

[desert agate]

looks like a knockoff bushmaster tbh

[ivory ridge]

[frigid karma]

https://youtu.be/KO05XmrIhV0

Those abs

[maiden citrus]

sodak supremacy

[rapid junco]

St.Louis and Vestal after Kolombangara

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

Nom

[rapid junco]

Maka needs to taste our version of Hot dog
One of our versions to be exact

[junior trench]

oh my

[rapid junco]

We even got sweet versions

[frigid karma]

Go on

[rapid junco]

I think that would go for #off-topic, i guess

[humble mulch]

The history of hotdogs and food culture in general should be allowed here or #food

[rapid junco]

I'm just talking about versions that someone would consider weird
Because my country have that habit of "reinventing" foreign food

I mean

Who would like an Oreo hotdog?

[humble mulch]

Reminds me of a tiktoker who judges hotdogs
He'd have a field day with yall

Now do you guys usually make them to reflect your culture? Or is your food culture just consist of making everything weird and more special?

[maiden citrus]

some of them do look really interesting

I'd honestly try an oreo one

[rapid junco]

I think it's maybe the two
With a special focus on the second option

But we do have our own food that is
Do remember that we are a medley of people

[frigid karma]

in John wick voice

Do you have anything…..Italian?

[rapid junco]

I think i shouldn't show it

Neither tell you

[frigid karma]

I’ll bribe you with some st lewdis pics

[rapid junco]

I maybe show it to you on DM
But promise you won't show it to Undie

Anyways
Back to history

[frigid karma]

Haha ofc not

[rapid junco]

Since we're talking of Italians
A Macchi M9 seaplane
With Virginius De Lamare on the side
De Lamare was a WW1 veteran

[ivory ridge]

[rapid junco]

I just don't want you too see the crimes my country has committed against Italian cuisine

[frigid karma]

I mean

Doesn’t look too bad

[rapid junco]

Why did you did that?

I said i didn't want Undie to see it

Especially cause my great great grandfather came from Sicily

[ivory ridge]

trusting qwerty

[frigid karma]

That’s the cursed stuff?

[ivory ridge]

Lol, lmao

[humble mulch]

[frigid karma]

I got that from Google

Not from enzo

I literally just typed “Brazilian Italian food”

[ivory ridge]

Thanks shitty internet

[humble mulch]

The internet is trying to save you

[frigid karma]

Oh, my god

[ivory ridge]

(I shouldnt be here i have work in 5 hours)

[frigid karma]

Ok

[humble mulch]

What the fuck is this made out of tho lmao

[frigid karma]

Now I’m finding the shitty stuff

[junior trench]

Wait

Does that crust have Brazilian cheese bread in it or something?

[rapid junco]

The things lodged on the borders are Coxinhas

[humble mulch]

[frigid karma]

What

[rapid junco]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coxinha

[frigid karma]

Honestly that’s not too bad

Is that considered the cursed stuff

[rapid junco]

Probably an traditional italian would
I guess

[frigid karma]

My brother in Christ I’ve literally eaten pig hearts before I wouldn’t fucking flinch at eating a pizza w/ a chicken meatball on it

[ivory ridge]

Oh i found what it reminded me of

Ah fuck you google

What is this quality

[frigid karma]

That looks like a cliche isekai town

[maiden citrus]

doesn't look too bad, looks like nothing

[ivory ridge]

The city of Palmanova

[junior trench]

Where's the adventurer's guild building

I don't see it labeled

[frigid karma]

where’s the succubi

[ivory ridge]

[junior trench]

Nearest monastery and/or nunnery

[frigid karma]

Does Jesus piss holy water

[rapid junco]

[maiden citrus]

cool layout

[delicate beacon]

Oh yeah, I went to Naarden Vesting over the weekend

Lots of muzzleloaders and one random soviet 85mm

[tough quail]

its always a good idea to keep an 85 on hand

[unborn wyvern]

There's a #Food channel??? 🤨

[humble mulch]

Yes it exists

[dark spade]

Let's see so if I understand correctly the Akron class carrier is the only class of her kind and was also revolutionary for her new hull design also being famous for being the most deadly dirigible wreck am I missing anything?

[spiral cedar]

Best armor = deepest face apparently

Wotan härte is facehardened now I guess

[chilly osprey]

Oh god

[cinder escarp]

Wait, if they are purely based on depth of face, why not the USN armor?

USN class A was absurd

[chilly osprey]

I'm sure this video is filled with nuance

[cinder escarp]

The USN just kept ratcheting up face depth over and over in response to better shells and guns

And by WW2 had armor that was mostly hardened face

Does it even count as face-hardened at that point?

[spiral cedar]

55%

But don’t forget the pre-WWI funkiness

18% back layer thickness MNC

Vickers Hardened = cemented now

[maiden citrus]

[spiral cedar]

Mans just discovered compound armor

[maiden citrus]

lol

[spiral cedar]

Ho boy

[maiden citrus]

the train of wrong is entering the station

[spiral cedar]

Featuring:
“Zero protection for torpedoes in any american battleship”
“british battleships that explode without the need for enemy fire at all”
“[American battleship TDS] were just rather shallow”
<like half the armor thicknesses are wrong> (with no inclines)
“all or nothing…didn’t work in real life practice and makes your ships more vulnerable to torpedoes”
“All or nothing was designed to protect the magazines, which it utterly failed at every time it was tested”

[maiden citrus]

also points out hood as an example of where all or nothing failed*

[ivory ridge]

Daily r/warshipPorn pepeganess

[spring briar]

he's mixing up Italy and France

smh

[frigid karma]

stockholm syndrome: undie and r/warshipporn

or undie and twitter

or undie and history channels on his servers

i think undie just likes to be abused tbh

[spring briar]

ok

[ivory ridge]

[maiden citrus]

I would never abuse unde

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

[spring briar]

Commandant Teste's rival

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

ah fuck I can't post images

[maiden citrus]

dm me

[spring briar]

watch me get beaned

[maiden citrus]

it's boat

[spring briar]

yus

nevada needs her gf Lorraine tho

[spiral cedar]

What makes them GFs?

[spring briar]

serving together and dunking on germans together

[ivory ridge]

We getting paper planes in the next event

Br.810 and D.790

[spring briar]

🇫🇷

[ivory ridge]

Or well, the D.790 is a naval version of a real plane

Dang i just had a jet fly above me

[spring briar]

oh noe

let's hope they're any good

[delicate beacon]

Wtf man, Italy doesn't surrender.
They're always on the winning side without exception.

[ivory ridge]

So true

[frigid karma]

I’d say Ethiopia but they kind of got gassed

[spring briar]

ayo why tf is the british 6 crh APC shell a core shop item now...

literally bog standard APC shell

[frigid karma]

Monarch shell

Monarch is a good girl

Let her have it

[maiden citrus]

omaha ap for core shop

[spring briar]

that's the standard british 6 crh 381 mm shell used in all the 15"/42's

[alpine onyx]

I heard old ships doing coastal bombardment?

Schlesien be too old for this crap

[maiden citrus]

[ivory ridge]

[maiden citrus]

based

[delicate beacon]

Whot game dat from

[delicate beacon]

Hot

[delicate beacon]

Oh hey I can buy a Battlecruiser Bismarck on etsy

God I am feeling the quora pains from random forums right now

Praphrased
lf Dutch shortly before war battlecruiser bps. I know the first two were named Eendracht and Kijkduin
third name was gouden leeuw

[spring briar]

hahahaha

[alpine onyx]

Tell them to buy your book

[eternal veldt]

Where's the Haarlem

[delicate beacon]

West of Amsterdam

[delicate beacon]

I'm sure necroing a 12 year old thread to sell my book wont be well received. Not that my book is bad qualify for the price.

what's dis

[tough quail]

...?

[delicate beacon]

Koningin Wilhelmina on some arpeggio wiki? But it has a Scharnhorst profile pic and a statcard with 38cm twins? Looks like some fanon muddying my search results again.

[ivory ridge]

https://twitter.com/CcibChris/status/1541404958683185152?t=chCMbHIEQd104BKpkpuqlQ&s=19

Chris Bolton (@CcibChris)

Generations apart, a Hungarian Air Force MiG-29B... VLK. Superimposed is Reggiane Re.2000..used in HuAF 1941-45.

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[desert agate]

On Warrior

Omw to Victory now

[alpine onyx]

oh hey, an early Scharnhorst

very early

[desert agate]

I found a boat

HMS Prince of Wales says trans rights

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

HMS M.33 the last remaining ship from the Gallipoli campaign

[spring briar]

smol

[maiden citrus]

Cutie

[teal socket]

I seen 6crh AP shell in the patch notes and was wondering it is

[ivory ridge]

british 381mm shell

standard APC shell for their guns

[spring briar]

why are we getting that shit

[teal socket]

So in terms of gameplay itl basically be a British type 1 or super heavy

[spring briar]

no

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-bird-we-just-dont-know-question-mark-gif-15950567

[dapper parcel]

Hope it will be that good batch, otherwise same old shit

Supercharge anyone?

[spring briar]

their only good batch was at Mers El Kebir

[manic latch]

[ivory ridge]

[tough quail]

inb4 it's better than either of the current shells and i need to buy a fuckbillion of them

[manic latch]

Centauro fields tests in Russia. Likely 2012. Shame purchase didn't happen

[tough quail]

help him

[manic latch]

Got it

[tough quail]

the boy is free

[manic latch]

Need wider tire smh

[tough quail]

to be fair if you're trying to get through this kind of terrain in russia you might as well just ride one huge tire

[delicate beacon]

Tsar Tank says hello

[maiden citrus]

finally, a use case for star wars ball droids

[tough quail]

theres always a use case for those they're the coolest ones

[humble mulch]

There are a lot of star war ball Droids

[frigid karma]

This thing come at you wyd

[desert agate]

Playing soccer

[maiden citrus]

challenge it to an epic battle with my flaming 8 ball

[fierce sparrow]

[spring briar]

pov: christie suspension

[strong plank]

I’ve never felt as much fear as I did just now

Seeing the wargaming copyright in the bottom left

[spiral cedar]

Hood and Resolution, 2 of the 3 possible Bretagne killers, only had 4crh shells at the time. Only Valiant had 6crh shells. Likewise the damage to Dunkerque would be from 4crh

[spring briar]

are you serious?

[spiral cedar]

Yes

[spring briar]

they only upgraded fully later?

oh dear god

[spiral cedar]

Valiant was 1938
Resolution was 1941
Hood was never

[spring briar]

from navweaps?

[spiral cedar]

Mostly

[spring briar]

otherwise Jstor?

or other books

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

speaking of dunkek

[maiden citrus]

getting there

[spring briar]

[spiral cedar]

Meanwhile, the Barham continued the duel on her own, commencing to return the Richelieu’s fire at 9:05 from a range of 21,000 yards. It should be remembered, however, that this was well within the Vichy battleship’s modern guns’ range (31,500 yards at 35 degrees elevation as against the 23,400 at 20 degrees elevation in the two unmodernized British ships). Nonetheless, ten minutes after opening fire, the Barham was rewarded with a 15-inch shell hit on her larger opponent. The damage was small, and within a short time, the Richelieu had returned the compliment, again without serious injury, to the British ship.

At Dakar

[spring briar]

sadly richie's shells had a different idea that day

otherwise, given the ranges
that might've ended badly for Barham

but in that case the RN would've likely tried to destroy richelieu on a later date

[spiral cedar]

Of the three capital ships now available to him—the battlecruisers Repulse and Renown and the battleship Warspite—the latter was chosen for the job, to the particular chagrin of Repulse’s company, who were itching for a chance at least as good as their sister ship’s encounter with Gneisenau and Scharnhorst. But they had to admit Warspite’s claims; she was much more heavily armored against air attack and her guns were capable of greater elevation.

tfw no interwar budget

[maiden citrus]

the british ships getting destroyed in retaliation

💀

[spring briar]

juicy underwater pens on Barham

rip

[delicate beacon]

I snipe it with my JK then rebel ambush to capture it.

[manic latch]

Shut

[frigid karma]

@spiral cedar so
do you have bismarck immune zones for supercharged vanguard guns

[spiral cedar]

no

[frigid karma]

regular vanguard guns?

it's just hood v bismarck right

[spring briar]

vanguard never used supercharges anyways

[frigid karma]

yea, but i just wanted to meme on someone

[spring briar]

just use richie's ballistic data but x 0.95 or smth

[spiral cedar]

Hood and Vanguard use different shells

Hood has 4crh, Vanguard 6crh

[frigid karma]

right

[spiral cedar]

With average-gun supercharges, Vanguard can penetrate Bismarck’s machinery out to 9000 yards (flat broadside, best case scenario)

Without supercharges, Vanguard can do the same only at the muzzle (0 yards)

[frigid karma]

ic

[frigid karma]

do you have a penetration chart for vanguard's guns vs biscuit?

[spiral cedar]

I’m doing it now

[frigid karma]

many thanks

this was the offending comment

[spiral cedar]

H-39 had a thinner belt (300 vs 320 mm main belt) but thicker deck

[frigid karma]

wasnt the h class belt a bit weaker?

yeah

[spiral cedar]

120 mm vs 110 mm sloped deck, and uniform 100 mm flat vs. 80 machinery/95 mags

[spring briar]

MarvinEhre…

101 wehrb right there

[frigid karma]

his pfp told me mostly what i needed to know lel

[spiral cedar]

‘Course, there are always barbettes

[alpine onyx]

actually H might end up with worse side armor

looking at the master frame, H's slope is 26-27° compared to Bismarck's 22

[spiral cedar]

It’s slightly worse yeah

Oh dear

[spring briar]

[spiral cedar]

cross-section?

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

ALM

Maidenless behavior

[spring briar]

Yamato be like:
I carry a 460 cause they didn’t make a 470

[alpine onyx]

H

[spring briar]

Oh dear

[alpine onyx]

Bisko

My thumb already tells me those are not the same angle

[spring briar]

So the machinery on H is relatively wider?

[alpine onyx]

since those two went for a sharp angle between flat and sloped deck (and not the super elegant Scharnhorst approach, how pathetic)

it seems more to be the deeper running belt causing this

[spring briar]

Super elegant scharnhorst approach

Kek

[spiral cedar]

My digital protractor agrees

[spring briar]

Kek

5 degrees is a world of difference at medium ranges

[alpine onyx]

look how elegant it is on Scharnhorst

and how nicely the thicker deck armor covers much of the flat parts

[delicate beacon]

I'm amazed. H 39 managed to be even worse than F-class whilst at a higher displacement.
Sasuga Germany, Deutsche Qualität.

[spring briar]

Wish I could post pictures of richie

[frigid karma]

oh boy

[spring briar]

[delicate beacon]

Let me do it for you

[frigid karma]

i can't wait to compile all of this and dump it on marvinehre for him to just block me and ignore it

[spring briar]

[alpine onyx]

Scharnhorst looks like she has 26°, but that's fine, she is meant to be protected against 330mm SAP so it's still gonna work

[spring briar]

Send us his reaction

[spring briar]

Tfw unterwasser SAP

[delicate beacon]

It'll be an improvement of the quora content we have regularly

[spring briar]

Du bist jetzt tod, Scharnhorst

[delicate beacon]

Honhonhon Le Germany invent le Turtleback. But le French cut around it.
Sausage WW2 tactics

[spring briar]

You steal our 520

We take your bote

[alpine onyx]

Unless you are SoDak/Iowa/Yamato your chances against some meme diving shell are bad anyway

[delicate beacon]

"If diving shells exist why bother placing belt armour"

• the average Maginot mentality.

[alpine onyx]

[spring briar]

Not just any meme diving shell

Fuck mining effect

All my homies use direct underwater penetration

[frigid karma]

when i'm in a cucking my allied country's defenses competition and my opponent is belgium

[spiral cedar]

Matches mine

[alpine onyx]

You don't trust my protractor pressed against screen method?

[spiral cedar]

I have no reason to doubt it, but I mark and label the lines as a matter of procedure for future reference (for others and myself)

[alpine onyx]

Wait until you see it's evolution, the calipers pressed against screen method

[spiral cedar]

So I figured I’d send it here anyway for ease of reference

[alpine onyx]

I'm 79% joking

[spiral cedar]

I hold my thumb out at arm’s length and use its width to measure degrees

Alternatively I print it out, lay it flat on the ground outside, put a pin at one end of the line, and time how long it takes for the Sun’s shadow to sweep out the angle

[alpine onyx]

The thumb method is nice, I usually use it for rangefinding when no tools are at hand

[spiral cedar]

I’ve considered using a CNC machine to make a wedge of aluminum with the same angle of slope, and then roll an aluminum cylinder down it, time the duration, and then use the coefficient of friction to derive the slope

But it seems like a lot of effort

[spring briar]

Shit I was going to place a small solar panel on the slope, calculate the electrical output and then figure out the angle of incidence gives the angle of the sun in Belgium at around the time of the experiment…

[spiral cedar]

Another option is to align two laser pointers right along the each of the angles of the wedge, and point one at Vega. Then sweep a circle 360 degrees about that axis by rotating the wedge until it aligns with a star, then check the catalogs until I find the RA and Dec of the star in question

[alpine onyx]

Perfect

[spring briar]

I see a possible exam question

[spiral cedar]

[spring briar]

I wanna post pictures

[spiral cedar]

Why did you get image beaned anyway

[spring briar]

I’ll show you in dm

[spiral cedar]

I can’t afford a plane trip to Des Moines at the moment

[spring briar]

[chilly osprey]

Richy posted something kinky and got bonked for it?

😛

[spring briar]

[chilly osprey]

Oh god it makes the face if you use a capital p

That was unintended

[spring briar]

:p

[spiral cedar]

:P

[spring briar]

:Р

[spiral cedar]

:P :p :P :p

[spring briar]

Да

Phoenix

Gib 254 mm shells of San Giorgio

[chilly osprey]

I would

https://tenor.com/view/if-i-had-one-angry-yelling-fairly-odd-parents-mr-turner-gif-16322274

[spring briar]

Even I

Shell master

Can not find it

[spiral cedar]

TFW you accidentally make a 3.15” shell that’s 1705 lbs

Longest boi

[spring briar]

Uh

Source?

[spiral cedar]

No, just a typo

[spring briar]

Oh

I see

I was thinking of an extremely long 80mm shell

I found some AP shell patents that I can’t post now because of image ban

Also hilarious Firth vs Hadfield patent court case

[spiral cedar]

O?

[spring briar]

Wrong link

https://cite.case.law/f/224/937/

Here we go

Mb it was betlehem vs firth

Two projectiles of the Davis type were made and upon trial proved unsuccessful. The caps fell off in flight.

Reverse APDS

[spiral cedar]

1915 eh

[spring briar]

Ye

Old

You can tell by the projectiles

[spiral cedar]

While there is no difference of opinion with respect to the efficient result of so protecting the point of a'projectile, there has been a wide difference of scientific views with respect to its precise action. One theory was that the softer metal acted as a lubricant to the hardened metal of the projectile; another, that it ■bent back the armor plate before the impact of the point of the projectile; but the latest and probably the prevailing theory is, that as the radial inertia of the cap is a great deal more than its tensile ■strength, the point of the projectile is thereby supported laterally, and passes unbroken into the hard face layers of the plate and opens the way for the projectile thereafter to perforate the body of the plate by its true-boring action.

[spring briar]

I like the lubricant theory

Sounds more sexual

[spiral cedar]

Anything to help with penetration

[spring briar]

Add some lube

[spiral cedar]

Is the cap head shaped in such a way as to help scrape the remnants of previous penetrations out of the hole

[spring briar]

It works for arrows vs fibrous armor

[spiral cedar]

Phillips, however, intended to use in the hollow cap a lubricant of nonliquid oil and graphite.

So Davis’ patent for soft capped AP with a windscreen was invalidated due to prior art incl. Hadfield’s prior British patents

Am I reading this right

[spring briar]

I haven’t read all the way through it

But I think they combined two pate nts and tried to market it as a new invention

[silver crest]

i love the fact that the concept of belgium was to be a roadblock

[rapid junco]

[tough quail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/552788046161117184/981359983742570576/pullotus.gif

[maiden citrus]

[subtle prawn]

https://www.defensenews.com/land/2022/06/28/us-army-unveils-contract-to-build-new-light-tank-for-infantry-forces/

[spiral cedar]

Guess the ship

[maiden citrus]

no idea honestly

it's so close to old german/japanese cruisers but

I'm stumped I guess

then again this is probably going to be that one funky armored dd...

[spiral cedar]

|| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_(artillery) ||

[maiden citrus]

😂

[exotic scarab]

kv-2

but british so worse

[junior trench]

British KV-2 is Britain asking if they can copy the KV-1 and thinking a 6" howitzer will fit

They also thought a 17-pdr would fit into a T-34-76 turret

[digital mason]

"I bet it could fit in one of the 360 degree angles"

[royal quail]

Open top T-34 with a 17-pdr sticking out of it

🧠

[strong plank]

just M3 Lee that shit

[hushed saffron]

What the fuck.

[dusty kraken]

THE kite plane

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

Drach and his consequences

[tight trout]

Which year and when torpedo invented?

[spiral cedar]

Depends on what you mean by “torpedo”

[tight trout]

Torpedo, the thing I dont remembered when it was invented.

[spiral cedar]

Back in, say, the American Civil War, a torpedo was what we’d today call a naval mine

(Remember “Damn the torpedoes! Flank speed”)

[spring briar]

I think he means modern torpedo

which would be an invention by Whitehead

in 1864

[tight trout]

No, no

I meant the first

[spring briar]

then it's 1814 by Robert Fulton, who also invented steam propulsion for ships

[spiral cedar]

Does the flywheel powered torpedo count?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howell_torpedo

[spring briar]

that's a later invention

[spiral cedar]

Yes

[spring briar]

it's hard to pin down the first torpedo in all honesty

[spiral cedar]

Which is why I asked what is meant by “torpedo”

[spring briar]

you need a good definition first

[spiral cedar]

Is this a torpedo

Says so on the picture

[spring briar]

that's alabama fishing

wdym

[spiral cedar]

Rodgers journal sketch of Fulton’s Torpedo Boat in operation.

https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/t/torpedo-war-rodgers-fulton.html

Fulton’s system is still the “naval mine” type of torpedo

[spring briar]

he atleast had in on a mechanically powered platform

[junior trench]

that is...

an amazingly stereotypical aussie voice lmao

[spiral cedar]

Came with the new DLC

[gilded girder]

Sounds like half a Rimmy

Ngl

[spiral cedar]

You should voice HMAS Sydney when she’s added

[dusty kraken]

you sound like the sleepiest australian ever

[desert agate]

I'm waiting for my email from yostar

Bro I had the worst nights sleep lmfao

I'm exhausted

[junior trench]

wait

I feel like...

Hit

[desert agate]

Ye

[junior trench]

why do you sound like a sleepier RANGROO

[desert agate]

What

I'm not a ranga if that's what you're asking

[junior trench]

https://youtu.be/6E54znS7vvE

[desert agate]

That's a British accent

[junior trench]

ok

but

you sound like a low energy version of him

[desert agate]

I am incredibly low energy right now

[spring briar]

poor Spon getting discriminated

[desert agate]

Need food

[spiral cedar]

Hit’s occupying his ground state

[spring briar]

but never E = 0

[desert agate]

I thought this museum would be bigger

[spring briar]

where are you rn

[desert agate]

IWM Duxford

Ok turns out there's more hangars

[spring briar]

u in Britain

[desert agate]

Nah mate I'm in China

[spring briar]

fu aussie

[desert agate]

Fuck me yourself riche

[spring briar]

come here then

[desert agate]

I did but you ghosted me smh

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

Hit in China?

Damn, wasnt it enough selling off Melbourne?

[desert agate]

Yeah I just came to visit your mum

[eternal veldt]

I'm sure she'll treat you nicely

[lapis wraith]

To anyone who think an samurai is a guy that hold an katana is an idiot, samuria didnt used katana most of the time but an spear cuz katana are fragile and dont cut anything like butter also samuria used gun and no this wasnt an dishonor to use gun even most of them had gun after the invention of black powder

[lapis wraith]

damn were are you ?

[desert agate]

Imperial War Museum Duxford

[maiden citrus]

I’m on it

[somber knoll]

That was when Nobu started to popularise the Tanegashima Teppo (Flintlock based on Portuguese designs, which even the Portuguese themselves were impressed by the quality and reliability compared to their own flintlocks).
Hell, Hijikata used a Colt revolver during his last battle in the Eizo Republic rebellion, so it's not something new. The romanticized katana wielding samurai is just that, romanticized. Just like the stories of knight errants.

[lapis wraith]

True and samuria didnt wear heavy armors

Because wasnt very mobile

I think

Heavy armors were just useless, its make you very immobile and if you fall on the ground, you become like an turtle who fall on his shell, very vulnerable and its was very expensive, only rich could affrod that

[somber knoll]

Eh, the Sengoku era Tosei Gusoku weighs 80-90 pounds average fully dressed, so they're not that far from the classic Early Renaissance Helmschmied armor (with the heaviest clocked at 120 pounds).
It's not about the weight, but the fitting to your body that gives whether you are mobile or just a fricking moving statue. And historians have proved (YouTube or documentaries-wise) that you can be surprisingly agile once you got used to your armor.

[lapis wraith]

as someone who live in Belgium i approve

[lapis wraith]

I know that even modern soldier are slower than medieval full armoured soldier but when u can make cheaper armour for an bigger quantity its better than just make one armour that expensive honestly, even some weapons could penetrate this armour like the crossbow, it was so deadlier that the church banned it

[desert agate]

The good part or the bad part?

I won't elaborate on which is which

[somber knoll]

Again, Pretty much depends on what the armed force's priority. you can make an armor as tough as it can be, but that will be very cost-prohibitive for something like infantry, where quantity often is focused than quality (not that you can just make cheap plates and then dress your poor Ashigaru or Man-at-Arms with them, mind you. Some foot soldiers can have a fancy set, but that depends on their personal pockets).

The crossbow was built to penetrate armor gaps in mind. having the bolts able to go through plates is a bonus feature

[manic latch]

Holy shit it's better F-35

[lapis wraith]

i wonder why they stopped used him

[desert agate]

Because they're shit

[lapis wraith]

But i loved the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR that do

[desert agate]

USAF has been downsizing its A-10 fleet whenever it can

But congress won't let them fully kill it

[manic latch]

Your brrrt causes her to get into manpad range

She has to highest losses on US planes irrc

[desert agate]

Highest loss rate of any American aircraft since the Vietnam war

[spring briar]

stfu I'll commit a congo in your house

[lapis wraith]

Well maybe cuz the US all they do is overexpensive thing and say it will work, but still i love it

[desert agate]

I mean you're fully allowed to love it

Just don't say it's the best thing since sliced bread because news flash it's actually a really bad aircraft

[lapis wraith]

See this plane its supposed to be invisible

[delicate beacon]

Belgium only exists because the English don't like the Dutch
and the Belgians didn't like a certain Dutch monarch... can't blame 'em.

[spring briar]

Maastricht is rightfully ours

[delicate beacon]

Trade for Kalen

[lapis wraith]

Its got shot down by outdated missile

[delicate beacon]

Was that the Balkan war one?

Yup

[manic latch]

S-125 is one of best work of Soviet Union

[spring briar]

Kalen?

[lapis wraith]

yes

[silver crest]

[delicate beacon]

Remember, just because your plane is designed with a lower radar cross section doesn't mean you can forgo basic ops

[delicate beacon]

Yes, a bit South of Duinkerke

[lapis wraith]

Its like the german who though an heavy tank can win

Like the maus its litterally an moving bunker

[desert agate]

The F-117 shoot down was due to bad operational practice not the design of the aircraft

The aircraft isn't intended to be impossible to detect by radar, the technology of the time it was designed didn't allow that

Its designed to be hard to detect

But when you fly 2 strikes in following the exact same flight path and mission profile

[lapis wraith]

That more humiliating than the m1 abramham dying to IEM

[desert agate]

You make the radar operators job incredibly easy

[spring briar]

abramham

really now

[desert agate]

Because the radar can detect the F-117 but only when it's too close to actually launch a missile

[manic latch]

I love her design is also based on Soviet Research too

[lapis wraith]

Idk how to spell it

[desert agate]

But when you fly in 2 strikes in a row, you give the radar operators the ability to prepare for the aircraft to come in from a predictable route

[lapis wraith]

abraham yes its like that

[spring briar]

abrams

M1 Abrams

[lapis wraith]

Oh it wasnt named after Lincoln ?

[desert agate]

You mean watered down Abrams sent to the Middle East without Depleted Uranium armour or modern countermeasures?

[manic latch]

Abraham

[spring briar]

krem

I will Congo you

[desert agate]

Those ones?

[manic latch]

[lapis wraith]

Destroyed by an burning bottle with battery taped on it

[desert agate]

Yeah, the shitty ones sent to the Saudis who don't even use them properly

An actually competent army wouldn't be making the same stupid decisions that leads to the losses that the (export model) Abram's is facing in places like Yemen

[lapis wraith]

At least we won against Saudia

[desert agate]

?????

[lapis wraith]

Yemen civil war ended

[desert agate]

It's literally

Ongoing

[lapis wraith]

I though Saudi leaves

[desert agate]

No lmfao

[manic latch]

Saudi is too rich to leave

[desert agate]

They literally bombed a school bus full of children a few weeks ago

[manic latch]

US kinda shy about selling things to them now

[lapis wraith]

i see they use US strategy

[manic latch]

Because of that war

[lapis wraith]

i know what u talk about

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

The Saudis barely have a functional military

Combine that with export model fourth rate equipment

Against a well armed and trained insurgency

[lapis wraith]

by wikipedia its say its an ceasefire

[desert agate]

Yeah

[lapis wraith]

houthis are even supported by iran gun and hezbollah soldiers

And even North Korea is there suprisily

[desert agate]

Mate it's ongoing

[lapis wraith]

why mine wikipedia says there an ceasefire ?

[desert agate]

[lapis wraith]

Well its probably like syrian civil war, its ongoing but Bashar aleardy won and rebels all died

[manic latch]

It's a ceasefire yes. But that doesn't mean war is over

[lapis wraith]

there only the west

[desert agate]

Uh no not at all

[manic latch]

Since you can end ceasefires

[desert agate]

The Houthis control all the major population centres

Including the capital

[lapis wraith]

Yep they will win

[desert agate]

The Saudi backed Coalition basically controls desert

They've held the capital since the start of the war

The Saudis are nowhere near taking it

[lapis wraith]

Like in the syrian civil war, rebels only control desert and are contested by extremist wahhabi while Bashar has all the richest cities

[desert agate]

No... it's not like Syria at all

[lapis wraith]

Basically houthis won strategically

[manic latch]

Biden will visit Saudi Arabia soon. Doubt he will make a truce still

[desert agate]

The civil war is nowhere near ending mate, owning the capital doesn't mean victory for the Houthis because they're still getting bombed constantly

The civil war is effectively a stalemate right now

[manic latch]

Since 2019

[lapis wraith]

there still chance to the houthis to win, they have higher moral

[desert agate]

The Houthis do not have the offensive capability to knock the Saudi coalition out of Yemen and the Saudis are too incompetent to be able to launch any successful operations

[lapis wraith]

Well i still wont give up thinking there chance of an end

[spring briar]

WW1 syndrome.exe

[desert agate]

It'll end eventually but no ending is really in sight

It's already been going for 7 years

[lapis wraith]

Probably isnt like Syria

[spring briar]

it isn't

[desert agate]

Syria is entirely different

[lapis wraith]

If i remeber Syria civil war is going since 14 years and the rebels didnt even managed to capture anything

They were so scared to fight because most rebels were just civilians that think they can win

[manic latch]

Turkey will make a 30km push for another safe zone

Likely to send refugees back

[lapis wraith]

Turkiye just took the south were the kurds were

[manic latch]

They will take more

[lapis wraith]

Red is the governement of Syria and green is the rebels, yellow are the west and orange is Turkiye

also black is ISIS but they not here

[spring briar]

Turkey you mean

[lapis wraith]

No no no its now turkiye

[spring briar]

don't believe Erdogan's propaganda

[desert agate]

In any case this is all a little bit modern

[lapis wraith]

its ONU

[spring briar]

idc
Turkey is Turkey

[manic latch]

Turkey gets angry when you don't call it turkiye. It's up to media if they will decide to use Turkey or Turkiye. Maybe if one day Turkey gets supported by people on internet it will officially be turkiye

[desert agate]

The Turks can pretend they're Turkiye but they're Turkey now and Turkey forever

They were Turkey during the Ottoman empire

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They're Turkey during the republic

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It's Kreml not Kremlin.

Joke, Kremlin sounds cooler

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I just call you Krem

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because it sounds like Crimea

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Oh no

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_cruiser_Krasny_Krym

Red Crimea

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You guys know the israeli tank that tried to enter Lebanon

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Blue white red crimea you mean

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Shut

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Please don't talk about Israel

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why u agaisnt their complot ?

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This chats already too controversial

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Its an fictional country, fiction cant be controversial

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I'd rather not have a flame war that has to get beaten down by the mods for being too political

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https://tenor.com/view/gilford-israel-kiryu-makesweet-gif-20476652

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Lebanon is a french colony

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france lost to itself, french people

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true

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Soviet Union

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that's why it gud

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Rare B-52 tail gun

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I hate french people they so offensive

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cool

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LMFAO

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hahaha

yes

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thats not an french person

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lack core strenght unlike glorious han chinese

live in america is like bad dream

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Racism

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SR-71!

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i litterally live next to france and i know what is an french

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wait

are you belgian?

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but there sub-french species

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i live there

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in Belgium?

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ye

[alpine onyx]

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I live in Belgium too

let's hang out

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i cant

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sad

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I FOUND THE FUNNY GUN

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babylon gun?

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From Iraq?

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Sadam moment

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Project HARP ye

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oh

so not sadam

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Yeah

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Harp is 406mm irrc

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Babylon is 1000mm

because reasons

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Oh

Yeah that is babylon

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ah

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The Iraq one

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yes

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Oi

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that barrel is unique

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Rivet holes

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those are not rivet holes

they're holes for screws

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Screw holes

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Soyuz rivets

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Hardening now

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oi

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bolt

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Moar

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Oyea Hit. Snap me more TSR pics