history

[spring briar]

now I am imagining 10 of these swarming a Yamato at point blank range...

like little piglets

oh dear lord

https://tenor.com/view/pig-piglet-playtime-play-around-gif-16681731

[alpine onyx]

Yes

And you love it

[spring briar]

this is so blessed wtf

I'll have 10

[dapper parcel]

Imagine just circling and not shooting at all

Tactics that should be tried on Samar

[spring briar]

french ww1 version of the concept

time to swarm Dreadnought

"you see tovarish, if hull is whole planet, tank can never be disable"

[manic latch]

@ivory ridge @tough quail Found the picture.

1967

But I don't fucking remember where

[dusty kraken]

But wat of the turret

[frigid karma]

wows player moment

[tough quail]

second best protected battleship of the 1940s and the best protected of her weight class

hopelessly fragile in wows

[frigid karma]

i mean bow tanking is a thing in wows

so

[dusty kraken]

"Tanky" battleship players with huge superstructures when they see a DD shooting 1000 HE shells per minute in smoke

[tough quail]

yes i have touched the game before

[ivory ridge]

skill issue

shouldnt have been french

[frigid karma]

sure she gets HE spammed easily but the german BBs also get cucked by their superstructure

[frigid karma]

italian bb accuracy

[dusty kraken]

Bad accuracy compensates for skill issue because shells fly in such a large area that a miss can be a hit instead

🧠

[ivory ridge]

so true

[ivory ridge]

english naval literature issue

[alpine onyx]

Uncle Drach said shell quality issue

[frigid karma]

then the hit is an overpen

[frigid karma]

at least he doesn't call the bismarck a "he"

[spring briar]

TRUE

[frigid karma]

so automatically smarter than most quora users

WAIT

TORPEDOES

HAHAHAHA

[spring briar]

jaba pls

france had to build 4 richelieu's to counter 2 bismarcks...

come on

and the nitpicked dispersion too

aaaaa

[tough quail]

can someone dox this guy

so i can beat him to death with my mosin

[spiral cedar]

Use a French one at least

[tough quail]

yeah you're right gonna use my monza fund to buy a mas 36

or two, and do the bayonet lock trick for increased bludgeoning weight

[frigid karma]

not a lebel?

[spring briar]

lebel is too precious to hit him with

[tough quail]

aye

mas 36 is for the dirty work

[frigid karma]

lebel is cooler though

[spring briar]

omg...

[manic latch]

US build 6 Iowa to counter 2 Nagato 5Head

[frigid karma]

perfect fit for his butthole

[spring briar]

the first smokeless powder bullet in history

[frigid karma]

US built 11 CVNs to counter 0 russian CVs

[spiral cedar]

Ridiculous. The US actually built 6 Iowas to counter 4 Kongous

[frigid karma]

Russian CV broken

[manic latch]

What

[tough quail]

483483 fletchers to counter mutsuki

[spiral cedar]

*Shimakaze

[tough quail]

thats what the 3546348 gearings and sumners are for

[spring briar]

1 france to counter 1 europe

[spiral cedar]

Tru

[spring briar]

[spiral cedar]

24 Essexes for 1 Taihou

[frigid karma]

3000 black liberty ships of USA vs one kashino

[spiral cedar]

3 Yamatos for 2 North Carolinas

[tough quail]

the 3584693464463246 clemsons are to counter the omnipresent japanese torpedo boats russia warned them about

[spring briar]

there's only like 40 clemsons tho

https://tenor.com/view/cejm-cavalcade-rodifa-juhulati-gif-21763328

[frigid karma]

quiet frenchy

[dusty kraken]

1 funny moustache man to counter 1 funny moustache man

[tough quail]

shaddap

[manic latch]

1 guy on wheel chair to counter one nerd with glasses

[ivory ridge]

me dumb , is high number good or bad

[tough quail]

156, 40

about the same number

[spiral cedar]

The Bismarck had excessive stability in many respects in that her GM exceeded the "good design practice" standard for GM (at last 5%, but no more than 10%) of the beam. Too much stability results in an unduly "stiff" ship with somewhat unpleasant rolling characteristics which tend to degrade weapon's systems effectiveness.

[tough quail]

or is this some weird subclass shenanigans i dont remember

[spiral cedar]

There’s a “sweet spot”

[manic latch]

Is "good design standard" is everything with US flag?

[ivory ridge]

[spiral cedar]

This is…not how endurance works

[spring briar]

German colonies:

[spiral cedar]

CB-1 Alaska

No

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

Alaska is the best and worst large cruiser ever built

you cant prove me wrong

[spiral cedar]

Tru

[manic latch]

You won't see Manny shitting on Alaska tho still

[tough quail]

dunkerque

[dusty kraken]

Im not a mathematician but im sure 20 is lower than 10

[tough quail]

hi

have you met me

[ivory ridge]

🤓 Battleship

[manic latch]

What's the worst insult you can do for Alaska

[frigid karma]

um akshually she's broken in wows

[spring briar]

duilio

[tough quail]

she's one of like two ships i think are ugly

[spiral cedar]

She looks like a better ship stepped on her amidships

[tough quail]

yeah pretty much

[dusty kraken]

The single funnel is fucking ugly and that's all

[ivory ridge]

whomegalul

[spring briar]

I'd rather have a klondike bar

[tough quail]

alaska is like

this bizarre bundle of every bad aesthetic in the usn

with as little of the good aesthetics as they could fit

[spring briar]

the camo

[tough quail]

she looks pretty alright from the front

and you get to the sides

and

SDFGHSFGWSRHWS

[manic latch]

Hate the mid section

That catapults especially

[frigid karma]

it's weird because like

the baltimores look sexy as fuck

then you get to alaska

[spring briar]

her best angle wink wink

[frigid karma]

and you ask yourself, "where did it all go wrong"

[ivory ridge]

most beautiful ship ever built

[frigid karma]

sip

[spring briar]

faa di bruno

my beloved

[spiral cedar]

Denied

[tough quail]

the bits jutting off of the forward superstructure and the funnel dont help

[spiral cedar]

Bread box looking ass

[tough quail]

everything looks janky and unconnected

[spiral cedar]

Looks like a piece of toast

[tough quail]

like a bad shipbucket kitbash in real life

[ivory ridge]

Doom Barn*

[spring briar]

OH NO

[spiral cedar]

Doomed barn

[strong plank]

yeah it looks like a barn that was flooded

[manic latch]

It's still in service

[spring briar]

ayo horse

[frigid karma]

literally italian
doesn't put this as most beautiful ship

[tough quail]

she has one thing going for her

[frigid karma]

[tough quail]

in that i think the like

cap on the turret is really cute

[ivory ridge]

real talk tho, in one of drach's dockyards someone asked him if Italian ships looked good because they were legally required to
which of course is a stupid question
and while he's correct that no, it wasnt a thing

he uses faa d i bruno as an example

[frigid karma]

ig this is why GPT3 thinks biscuit has 16in guns

[manic latch]

H-39 moment

[ivory ridge]

It's literally a ww1 ship, even if such a law was used during the fascist regime, this ship wouldnt have been built under it

[spring briar]

you know Alaska was good since her turrets cost more than those of Iowa

[dusty kraken]

Can richy have sextuple guns if they were 12 inches

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

tfw h39 would still be undergunned compared to richelieu anyway

[tough quail]

learn to build guns that dont fucking suck, krauts

god i hate the german military

[manic latch]

You guys never purged your engineers right? So the guys who designed that ship in ww1 continued in ww2?

[ivory ridge]

Saru bote

[tough quail]

absolutely fantastic

[spiral cedar]

Yes

[tough quail]

incredibly half baked cruiser killer that was delayed so long that the cruisers just kind of died by themselves, horrendous logistics waste due to using new guns that nothing else will use ala burke, and just

[spring briar]

by the time Bismarck gets within a range where richy's dispersion "issues" disappear, she's already sunk from shells blowing up her boiler room from the bottom of the hull

[tough quail]

mediocre from a hull standpoint altogether

especially by usn standard

[ivory ridge]

you can have the same people, but no company in 10-20 years will have the same people

[manic latch]

Tfw Alaska helped creation of Stalingrad

[manic latch]

I see

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

ish

[noble zenith]

but family owned companies

[tough quail]

afaik stalingrad was mostly in response to the like

absolute fucking deluge of british and american cruisers still afloat

[frigid karma]

When were stalingrad blueprints being drawn up

[ivory ridge]

and again, it's about laws not who was designing it

[spring briar]

which version

[manic latch]

Started around 1943? Finalized in 1950s

[frigid karma]

[manic latch]

1950 to be more exact

[frigid karma]

[manic latch]

Remember Riga in wows? That's 1943 design of Stalingrad

[frigid karma]

[tough quail]

smolingrad

[spring briar]

dunkek

[frigid karma]

Alaska was decomissioned in 1947

so

[manic latch]

Yeah but wasn't scrapped no? Iowas did come back after being decommissioned

So until the scrapping. They were sus

[tough quail]

still, the bigger reason for a cruiser killer isnt to kill

you know

other cruisers killers

[frigid karma]

Stricken in '60

so yeah

[tough quail]

its the 368396830 british and american cruisers loitering everywhere

[manic latch]

Of course. Stalingrad is also a cruiser killer

She would only run away from BBs

[frigid karma]

But i mean like

by 1950 there's already the essex swarm plus a few midways

[spiral cedar]

Appreciate that someone (accidentally?) used a meme image for their Quora answer

[manic latch]

Ye. But Des Moines, Worcesters were being a thing too

[frigid karma]

And while Stalingrad could run away from BBs, it's kind of hard to justify its existence in the face of naval aviation already proving its worth at shitting on BBs in WW2

Like if it runs into a bunch of American/British cruisers it can roflstomp them, that's what it's intended to do

but

[tough quail]

as cool and good as the stalingrads were it was mostly just stalin pushing for them

thus why the navy immediately cancelled them when the guy died

[manic latch]

That's why her only defender was Stalin himself. She got scrapped after his death. After being tested for anti ships missiles and torps

[tough quail]

and then

[frigid karma]

yea

[tough quail]

DA

UNLIMITED SUBMARINE WORKS

[manic latch]

Kuznetsov was the carrier simp

Khrushchev was the missile simp

[frigid karma]

Stalin was the stalingrad simp?

[manic latch]

Heavy cruiser simp

So ye

[frigid karma]

Just big gun in general

since he also pushed for soyuzes while Kuznetsov malded

[tough quail]

shoot the big boom

[manic latch]

He was fan of BBs before ww2

But when BBs sunk like no tomorrow

He preffered heavy cruisers after ww2

[ivory ridge]

so he preferred

inferior BBs

??

[manic latch]

Ye

Cheaper and all

[ivory ridge]

""cheaper""

[manic latch]

Dunno man. Project 24 vs Project 82 does sound cheaper

[frigid karma]

tankette moment

[ivory ridge]

i mean yes you're

comparing ships one half the tonnage of the other

compare the """heavy cruisers""" to treaty BBs

[manic latch]

Ye. Thus cheaper

[manic latch]

Treaty? Why would you go with treaty after ww2

[ivory ridge]

treaty as in that tonnage

[manic latch]

Ah

[spiral cedar]

truly qoefyl arrangement
Any idea what this means

[manic latch]

Well Soviets wanted a BB that can counter Iowa in 1v1. So that tonnage wouldn't help much

[tough quail]

they're cheaper compared to a soyuz but yeah they're uh, damn expensive either way

[manic latch]

Imagine if Kuznetsov became the Ruler after Stalin. Heavy focus on carriers instead missiles

[ivory ridge]

ok but that's still not the point, because we were talking about stalingrad, which wont 1v1 an iowa

so the 35k tons BB dont need to do that either

[spring briar]

I am shell simp

[ivory ridge]

but will still fuck over any cruiser

while being more protected

and while having more of a chance against bigger BBs than the BCs

[spring briar]

Awful

[manic latch]

true. Closest example is Borodino I guess

[frigid karma]

but like

Sure Iowa was initially meant to do BB things and fight kongos and shit

but they pushed them into being a bodyguard for carriers pretty quickly

[manic latch]

Ye

Alaska is similar too right

Was designed to counter uhh

[frigid karma]

Yea same thing for alaska

[manic latch]

Rumoured Japanese cruiser

[frigid karma]

Meant to kill smaller cruisers

[manic latch]

Oh

[frigid karma]

10s later they're aa barges

I think she was meant to kill an imaginary azuma

[manic latch]

I thought Alaska and Churchill class was designed to counter a mysterious large cruiser Japan was building

[frigid karma]

and then the japanese actually designed azuma

[manic latch]

Ye

[spiral cedar]

[frigid karma]

Yeah alaska was meant to kill a potential Japanese large cruiser and other Japanese cruisers

but

There was no large cruiser design in Japan when Alaska blueprints were finalized

[ivory ridge]

wows moment

[frigid karma]

resisting urge to samar wank

[manic latch]

I wonder

[spiral cedar]

I guess…technically, Surigao…but that’s really the torpedoes and not the guns

[manic latch]

Who was Montana designed against

It's certainly not Yamato

[strong plank]

Montana was the other side of the US BB design split iirc

[tough quail]

pain

[strong plank]

they wanted to make a fast battleship design, and a heavier battleship design

[frigid karma]

they weren't designed against anything

[manic latch]

Yeah the true BB split. But still gotta have an enemy In mind

[frigid karma]

they just wanted "bigger BB"

[manic latch]

Is it same with Yamato?

Or did Yamato expected vs Arizona or smh

[spiral cedar]

What does this have to do with the KGVs as ships

[frigid karma]

yamato was part of the decisive battle thing

so they were basically designed to just beat up any BB they came across in general

[manic latch]

Ahh explains why Japan wanted 510mm later. Likely expected US to build something bigger than 460mm

[frigid karma]

What about Baltimore vs Chapa

[spiral cedar]

More Colorado. Yamato got 18.1” guns in large part to “outrange” the Colorados

[frigid karma]

I mean

[manic latch]

Speak of Overkill

[frigid karma]

UK has no heavy cruisers but a town class vs a chapayev is roughly comparable

but there's a lot more towns

[manic latch]

And Sverdlovs

tfw forgets Sverdlovs

[spring briar]

Knowing how to build a galleon means you can build a great bb

[manic latch]

14 Sverdlov was build. 16 cancelled

[frigid karma]

Also fijis and minotaurs

[tough quail]

the rest were cancelled and their parts were rendered up to build Super Molotov

[manic latch]

Kinda less than I expected

[spring briar]

3 galissonnieres

[frigid karma]

If only we could've had the minotaur

[spiral cedar]

Ah yes, the KGVs had the most main-gun broadside of any battleship

[frigid karma]

my fav wows ship

[frigid karma]

pic related

[spring briar]

Why am i seeing zriny

*radetsky

[spiral cedar]

I mean…I guess she was built to kill the WWI versions, sure…?

[spring briar]

…

These assumptions

[delicate beacon]

I remember when the British built the Hood against the German D-class battleships

[maiden citrus]

oh no he's onto me

[frigid karma]

@maiden citrus

rate plz

[maiden citrus]

ah yes the blablabla tradition of shipbuilding where they use all the key technological advances embodied in super dreadnoughts such as

us turret arrangement
us armor arrangement
us tds design
and many other things british

[maiden citrus]

I love them, some are in friedman's too

[maiden citrus]

lol where does one start

[spring briar]

With a hotdog perhaps

[maiden citrus]

true

[spring briar]

you ok there maka

[frigid karma]

https://imgur.com/a/tgCmRxq#XuqfQ3j

from the flying type 59 vid creator

[spring briar]

Oh ffs

[maiden citrus]

just more poking fun then your comment on it

[spring briar]

:Richiethonk:

I am of confuse

[maiden citrus]

yours is matter of fact observation but mine is more pointing out specific lols

[spring briar]

But

Galleon

[maiden citrus]

a gallon of chocolate milk

[spring briar]

gibs bote to maka

[desert agate]

bote

[spring briar]

POV: you’re an American rebel in the war of independence looking for 4 redcoats in a green forest

[desert agate]

where are they?

[maiden citrus]

smol bote gud

[tough quail]

dont bait maka with redcoats she's gone through enough as is

[maiden citrus]

which bote is this

[spring briar]

Formidable

[maiden citrus]

very pretty

[maiden citrus]

they're getting there

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

we've moved to warm from antarctica climate in hot or cold

[spring briar]

I’m just gonna ask random naval history questions in quora and see what sort of bs answers I get

[maiden citrus]

"the hms vanguard was..."

[spring briar]

A battleship

[tough quail]

nah they're just on hot

yamato is fake and not real

[maiden citrus]

at least it's a ship with good armor

the rest is questionable but at least they didn't answer with like bismarck

[tough quail]

as far as "most advanced" goes yeah i'd probably give it to them, the only better armored ship that was actually built was yamato and that's in large part through sheer brute force

[delicate beacon]

A fully armoured Battlecruiser!

[tough quail]

thats iowa goof

[maiden citrus]

oh no

[spiral cedar]

I wonder how the “weak stern issue” was “resolved”

[spring briar]

Richie and JB are anything but unproven considering the breadth of scenarios they were subjected to lol

[spiral cedar]

Presumably by sinking

[tough quail]

correct

[maiden citrus]

no it was resolved by removing the stern

no stern = no weak stern

just blast it off yourself

[spring briar]

Legendary damage

[tough quail]

the tall boys were there to hack her stern off

[spring briar]

Some midget subs

[tough quail]

they uh

[spring briar]

A torp to the rear rudder

[tough quail]

markedly did not return home from the "legendary damage"

[maiden citrus]

nor was 90% of the damage neccesary for their demise

[spring briar]

Legendary damage such as a single 14” (weakest shell ever) shell penning the fuel tanks

[tough quail]

ehh they do need a thorough beating to actually sink

they're just comically easy to mission kill

and they need a beating just because they're really fucking wide

not because their protection scheme is good

[maiden citrus]

nevada killing bismarck

[spring briar]

I need to do a comprehensive french underwater ap vs bismarck analysis

[spiral cedar]

Yes

[tough quail]

get richy's barrels and start shelling their shitty frigates

[spiral cedar]

[maiden citrus]

a dunk looking at a german dd would sink it

[maiden citrus]

this isn't even a crappy take this is literally just, where did you even see this information

[tough quail]

ah yes i too remember the

uh

90 thousand ton iowa

[maiden citrus]

it goes from 'this is stupid' all the way to just immense confusion

[spring briar]

Well

KGV would have 14” of deck armor

[spring briar]

If you flipped it on its side

[spiral cedar]

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

Yamamoto battleschip

[maiden citrus]

bismarck sank one ship, it's the greatest battleship ever put to sea

I don't get it

[tough quail]

kraut garbage

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

all of it is wanked to the moon unless its actually good

[spring briar]

The actually good kraut shit is forgotten

20mm squeezebore my beloved

[tough quail]

thats why nobody talks about panzer 2s or elbings

people only talk about the deutschlands because they're a novelty

[spiral cedar]

[maiden citrus]

uh

[ivory ridge]

overclocking battleships

lets go

[maiden citrus]

man that's like, wrong of onion layers

[tough quail]

20% overloard for more than three minutes would literally detonate the boilers straight into her fucking magazines

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

it's like saying

HMMMMMMM

[spring briar]

35 knot richie at overload time

[tough quail]

WHAT IF I TRY TO OVERCLOCK

TNT?

[ivory ridge]

yet another boost of speed, genius

[tough quail]

german ship designed hailed as outstanding as they break another world record

[spring briar]

This guy is also polish (likely) and is defending Bismarck…

[tough quail]

by hurtling a 15" barrel from the mangled B turret through the air at an astonishing mach 1.4

[strong plank]

Could Bismarck get 1 more SHP if it was watercooled

[spiral cedar]

Hey Richy, did you know that Richy’s gun blew up because it was loaded with a 381 mm shell

[spring briar]

[spiral cedar]

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-are-you-british-cat-gif-18968211

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/void-hollow-hollow-face-cursed-cry-about-it-gif-22118456

[tough quail]

again

please

let me beat them to death

[maiden citrus]

I consider this a strength

[spring briar]

How is being french a disadvantage in terms of battle

[spring briar]

Neat hydrodynamics

Tf does that mean

Oh ffs

Just shoot me

[tough quail]

please

dieeeeeee

diiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeee

[spiral cedar]

[tough quail]

like the dipshit krauts you worship

fuck me

[maiden citrus]

bruh

[spiral cedar]

Typical Quora answer

use Wikipedia
assume peculiar starting conditions
give hand-wavey answer dependent on an overly simplistic model
get hundreds of positive votes

[maiden citrus]

he of all people should know that you can easily dettach rudders with this simple german trick

-blows up the rudder-

jb in the 50s would pulverize bismarck what

lol

[spring briar]

She could probably do it with just HE

[tough quail]

lets be real even in the 40s jb could just

sail around in circles until bismarcks boilers die

[tough quail]

and she runs out of ammo before scoring any real hits on her

[spiral cedar]

WoWs and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[ivory ridge]

have random roman theatre i found in my saved pics

guess the city for a magical prize of ||nothing||

[spring briar]

I’m gonna visit the Roman theatres at Nice soon

[spring briar]

Underwater AP from her working turret would do the job

[maiden citrus]

at least they have a little bit of merit this time such as smaller target and thick front bulkheads/turrets

[cinder escarp]

Unironically, this is a huge reason I use all-forward designs in RTW

"oh no you crossed my T, look at how little I care"

[spiral cedar]

Also better for dodging torpedoes

[spring briar]

Is it in the north west?

[ivory ridge]

North east

[spring briar]

Hmm

Trieste?

[maiden citrus]

meanwhile me in rtw closing to like 5km and wiggling profusely as an optimal battle strategy

[ivory ridge]

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

cant get more east than this i guess

[spring briar]

Yeah exactly

[maiden citrus]

future naval historians will look at my ship movements in battles and want to gouge out their eyes

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

the ship's logs are impossible to read as it's just an order being given every other shell firing to change angle 2 degrees

[spiral cedar]

“dozens of rounds per gun”
I guess. technically, ten dozen is “dozens…”

[maiden citrus]

every time I see distances like that as what ships should stay at it enters a surreal dimension

[ivory ridge]

See this thing?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515583624083406848/895348874951131206/k7kspdr01x851.jpg

it's still there

[maiden citrus]

yeah just uh, make sure the enemy doesn't get within 35km

this is how real ships fight

[spring briar]

Ye olde crane

[spiral cedar]

Yes, the Germans would of course do exactly what the British did at Denmark Strait, as is their national character

[ivory ridge]

it has its own wikipedia page
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursus_(pontone-gru)

[tough quail]

it is!

[ivory ridge]

plus TIL it's on a boat

or well

a pontoon

[tough quail]

if you have exactly two ships in a completely empty stretch of the pacific ocean

[ivory ridge]

so it's technically a ship

[tough quail]

and neither side gets bored

[ivory ridge]

manjuu when

[spring briar]

Bismarck zig zagging her way into never getting an accurate firing solution

[spiral cedar]

The naval historian Drachinifel answers this better than I can.

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-angry-shout-gif-14117835

[ivory ridge]

hog big is the cranesarge crane

[tough quail]

where did the fucking myth of german accuracy come from

they almost always shot like fucking dogshit

[delicate beacon]

Wehraboos trying to figure an explanation of twin turrets

[tough quail]

germany should have been partitioned and every mention of it scrubbed from every history book on earth

[spring briar]

Foch

Pls

Not to mention every shell jb slings is 10% heavier than busmork’s

[tough quail]

at least the porsche lmdh looks nice

[spiral cedar]

Spoilsport

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

yeah we only use HISTORICAL FACTS here

like BISMARCK absolutely fucking OWNING HOOD and killing SEVENTEEN BILLION SAILORS

[spiral cedar]

“Period records of the time contradict your claims”
“Well, I’m a detective, so I know you can’t trust the documents”

[tough quail]

disregard her getting mission killed by wales, her sister getting bombed uselessly in a fjord, scharn and gneis doing effectively nothing but break down while firing at renown, north cape, narvik, barents sea, yada yada

[spring briar]

Marat singlehandedly halted the entire german army during barbarossa

https://tenor.com/view/ussr-soviet-union-flag-waving-gif-16035861

What did you do today

[maiden citrus]

probably not

[tough quail]

[maiden citrus]

working an extra day to cover a sick co worker

[spring briar]

Thank you maka

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

mode'le

[spring briar]

è

[spiral cedar]

Failed escape attempt

[spring briar]

Ę

[maiden citrus]

(pronounced modulay in my head)

[spring briar]

Blessed warsprot

What did warspite do between 1934 and 1939

[spiral cedar]

Found the Nazi party

[ivory ridge]

1937

[spiral cedar]

Bombard Shanghai

[spring briar]

So

Being british?

[maiden citrus]

unfortunately

[spring briar]

Shoutout to soviet SAP

Has to be my favourite gender

[spiral cedar]

I feel less than confident about those shell walls

Ah yes, 1920 SoDak, the superbattleship

[ivory ridge]

i read that as superb battleship at first

tho like

tbh

it's not that far off for 1920s

[maiden citrus]

yeah

nobody built a ship with that much firepower again

[ivory ridge]

it's not yamato sized but still

[maiden citrus]

the 16''/50s on it are absurdly powerful for the time period and future shs capable

dimension wise it's not that big though

lol

[spring briar]

Given how long these were, they probably landed base-first at extreme range exceedingly often too

[spiral cedar]

[maiden citrus]

lol

[frigid karma]

richelieu has an army of cats he could sic on bismarck

[spiral cedar]

Yamato
Slow battleship

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

yamato ain't that slow, but no

[frigid karma]

i mean

[spring briar]

Tomorrow I will continue my lego scale model work

[frigid karma]

given japan's oil reserves you could call her slow in another sense

[spring briar]

[spiral cedar]

One hit = one kill

“1 hit to destroy any US warship of any size”

[spring briar]

Imma go sleep

Goodnight

[spiral cedar]

Night

[tough quail]

i tab out of here to avoid bad quora takes and then get met with azov wanking shitposts so now im back here

limitless pain

[ivory ridge]

[maiden citrus]

extremely based

[tough quail]

this really is a maka moment

[maiden citrus]

bask in bad quora

[tough quail]

about as many neo nazis there

[maiden citrus]

far less delusional tankies though

[tough quail]

wheeze

[ivory ridge]

[maiden citrus]

:jimmyneutron:

[tough quail]

that sure do be how the usn do

[maiden citrus]

the legendary sodak hit and run convoy raider

a type of ship certainly faster than bismarck but less protected

[tough quail]

i too remember 35kn sodak

[shrewd pecan]

who needs armor when you have speed

[zealous vine]

Wait, were Ise' planes allowed to recover?

[shrewd pecan]

40 knots minimum for any capital ship

[maiden citrus]

maybe he comes from an alternate reality where the lexingtons exist

since that would make his statement make any sense

[maiden citrus]

wah

[spiral cedar]

Could crane the floatplanes back on board after they landed in water

But not the non-floatplanes

[zealous vine]

Oh wait, they were a mix? Hmm..

Lemme guess, non floatplane go Tenno heika

[maiden citrus]

just overclock the engines tbh

[spiral cedar]

Only land-based units were kamikazes

The Ise ones were just meant to land at nearby island airfields

[maiden citrus]

what

the ghost of berci appears

but what if british ship [statement so far out of left field it wins a game of baseball]

[tough quail]

i once took a shit aboard one of the tribal class and it sank instantly

the royal navy sucked

[tough quail]

the tribal struck her while sinking and the british played it off as a german fault

[maiden citrus]

that oddly reminds me of that one happening where british bbs were ramming their own subs

[tough quail]

get out of the water you pansy bitches

[maiden citrus]

inflexible is one of the last names of a ship you want to hit you

[tough quail]

CAN CONFIRM

DIDNT FLEX

[maiden citrus]

https://puu.sh/J7QGK.png

minimum flex

The submerged endurance was much less than expected, 8 nmi (9.2 mi; 15 km) at 8 kn

bruh

cursed

[spiral cedar]

Low velocity?

[maiden citrus]

aren't they medium

never heard of rich guns being low velocity

[manic latch]

Is there even a BB guns that performs better on long range than close range

[maiden citrus]

inb4 rocket assisted shell

[strong plank]

You just got Zumwalted

[spiral cedar]

For any gun, vertical pen is always better at short range, and horizontal pen is always better at long range. But generally speaking, heavier shells retain energy better over long range, and thus have better performance against homogeneous and horizontal armor overall (and generally also inflict more damage), whereas lighter shells have higher initial velocities and flatter trajectories and thus are better against facehardened armors (plus larger danger spaces). 'Course, you need to make sure your shell is aerodynamically fit for its length, so you can't go too far into either extreme without carefully working out the ballistics either.

[spiral cedar]

Richelieu 380mm AP - 1949 lb, 2723 fps
Bismarck 38cm AP - 1764 lb, 2690 fps

[maiden citrus]

[tough quail]

yeah okay i was thinking

the french didn't really pick between low weight/high velocity or high weight/low velocity

they picked "yes"

[frigid karma]

So quantum shells with varying velocity and weight

[eternal veldt]

Some really low hanging fruits, not going to lie.

[dapper parcel]

time to revive r/ShitQuoraSays

[zealous vine]

Is there a source where I can read about each navies' doctrine on loading mechanisms?

[dapper parcel]

Is there historical reason for *Joffre * to ends up in Vichy France?

[strong plank]

she was still under construction at St Nazaire when France fell

[dapper parcel]

I guess it's almost completely random whether a ship ends up in FF or VF in this game

I mean, Jean Bart was with FF her entire life but here ends up with VF

[strong plank]

uhhh

no?

[maiden citrus]

she gets shot at by mass because she's vf

[strong plank]

yeah uh

Jean Bart's most famous accomplishment was fighting against allied forces during Operation Torch

so no shit she's gonna be with Vichy

[dapper parcel]

oh right, somehow I blanked on the entire Casablanca episode

[eternal veldt]

Then ranger dropped fat loads on her

[tough quail]

and then bort outlived her

[frigid karma]

Outlived her to see the suez crisis?

Careful what you wish for

[tough quail]

i am

get got bargain bin cv

[maiden citrus]

oklahoma outliving all the yamatos

[frigid karma]

Can jb do literally infinite damage

[strong plank]

[maiden citrus]

challenge hellcats? aviation battleship?

alright let's get you to bed

[spiral cedar]

Then perish

[strong plank]

Breaking news

Every battleship dreadnought-onwards is now an aviation battleship

[maiden citrus]

3 torpedo bombers, almost enough to give a single alone fletcher pause

[strong plank]

average Kancolle player

Love how someone else commented

“Warspite is an aviation battleship because her seaplane actually sank something”

scrolls further

“Battleships were obsolete as soon as Saratoga was launched as a carrier”

like uhh

The naval battle of Guadalcanal would like a word

[maiden citrus]

the ww2 battle style of clumping carriers to overwhelm surface units and that not being differentiated from what a single carrier can do or is for has been a disaster for strategy discussions

it's akin to saying the clemson horde made battleships obsolete because if you clump them and run them into surface units they would win

[dapper parcel]

Guadalcanal went that way because carriers present might as well not present at all

Also night action in general was a show stopper for carriers until well into postwar

[eternal veldt]

Just

Floatplane

alone is a against Hellcats

Are you going to use that pontoon to ram that hellcat to death?

[maiden citrus]

to be fair, maybe all 4 could give 1 hellcat a challenge

[eternal veldt]

oh, N1K1 was indeed a floatplane. Never mind.

But back on topic

OS2Us and SC Seahawks also have guns and bombs on board

[dapper parcel]

N1K1 was never actually operational, bruh

[eternal veldt]

Therefore, the US fields aviation cruisers, aviation battleships, and aviation destroyers

not like it's too far from the truth anyway after their refits

[maiden citrus]

cute

[strong plank]

Lmfao

I asked for a source on the “can challenge hellcats” claim and he linked to Wikipedia

[cinder escarp]

To be fair, the N1K1 series are very good planes

[eternal veldt]

Shiden Kai

Shiden Kai

They're the fucking N1K2s

[strong plank]

“B-but having a hangar makes you an aviation battleship!”

[cinder escarp]

Relatively few N1K2s were made

It was mostly N1K1-J series

[strong plank]

Breaking news, Portland now considered an aviation battleship, more at 11

[cinder escarp]

That said, only 97 of the floatmobile N1K!s were made

[dapper parcel]

what fight deck they're talking about?

the shuttling and handling area?

[strong plank]

Exactly

[eternal veldt]

What flight deck?

[strong plank]

EXACTLY

Worst part is

This is in the comments of a post comparing AL and Kancolle

So you know exactly where this dude’s getting this idea from

[alpine onyx]

Can I say that Eugen successfully used her floatplane to combat attacking aircraft?

[dapper parcel]

> her*** floatplane

what planes it actually fought off tho?

[alpine onyx]

Would have to check, but whatever the British sent to sink her when she returned to Germany without her stern

[dapper parcel]

New Ahoy video?

Oh wait, it was an old one

[spring briar]

RIP ahoy

Literally the first “modern” style youtuber

[dapper parcel]

lol, I thought you were referring to the one she lost, that got salvaged by the Norwegians and used against the Germans

Nvm, that was Hipper's

[alpine onyx]

Oh

[spring briar]

Lol

[alpine onyx]

No, I meant the one they did throw up as cap to at least disrupt some of the torpedo drops

[manic latch]

Molotov Carrier confirmed since Spitfire

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

Morning

https://tenor.com/view/eat-food-anime-girl-kiniro-gif-21175452

[maiden citrus]

gooud mer'ening

[maiden citrus]

boilers activated

[spring briar]

Historical quotes time

[cinder escarp]

Down to listing the built-in 20mm and free fall bombs as proof of "multi mission ability" lmao

[shrewd pecan]

true multirole capability

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

good bote

[ivory ridge]

Bote

[ivory ridge]

Looks like a shitpost

Like you know those memes with the american flag and the bald eagle in the background

[maiden citrus]

[fierce sparrow]

what the hell is that???

It looks hideous...

[twilit plume]

Heavy uav

[ivory ridge]

Euro drone

https://twitter.com/CiroNappi6/status/1539182296024088576?t=Jjmuby4mNUGFXJ1i_7v30Q&s=19

Ciro Nappi (@CiroNappi6)

Updated renders from Airbus, of EuroMALE RPAS drone with puller compound propeller for the choose of Avio Aero Catalyst turboprop engine.
@ILA_Berlin

Twitter · Jun 21, 2022, 9:43 AM

[fierce sparrow]

Eurodrone... hmm

[spring briar]

@rapid junco check drachinifel's channel

[rapid junco]

Yeah
I'll watch after my extra physics class that'll have in 10 minutes

[spring briar]

[rapid junco]

Still
I'm very happy and anxious too see it

Although i'm wondering if he committed any mistakes
Especially regarding the M class' armament

[spring briar]

I'm pretty sure they were fine ships

[rapid junco]

They're

I'm talking about the sources he used

For example
This is what Wikipedia says about it
I know it says "as designed"
But i don't show their actual armament

Or this

There was plenty of warships built before the M class
The 1930s and 40s were kind of a "boom" on naval construction here

[rapid junco]

Or some sources citing their main guns as 5"/38 Mk12 (in reality is Mk21)

So i'm like
Very happy but apprehensive about that video

Well
Time for my extra physics class
See ya later

[spring briar]

cya

[alpine onyx]

M-class

[rapid junco]

It's their other name

Even though the last ship was named "Greenhalgh"

Class is over
I'll be watching Drach video
And i'll be giving me conclusion soon™️

[rapid junco]

Just finished the video

And wow
i'm so happy

He didn't made any mistakes

And he used some of the pictures i posted on his server as well

Hope soon he covers the Amazonas class
Which is wrongly referred as "Acre class"

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Looks breedable

[spring briar]

bruh?

[dapper parcel]

nice magazine

[manic latch]

You wouldn't miss an opportunity to have an offspring with a warship vessel would you? Can you grasp the splendor of it? The intelligence of human brain. Amalgamated with efficiency, durability, firepower and obedience of the machine.

[spring briar]

[delicate beacon]

194mms

[spring briar]

wdym ardwar

[rapid junco]

@manic latch Since you're here

[manic latch]

most famous Heli with Apache

[rapid junco]

Yep
We had them

Because the Brazilian Air Force is retiring them this year

[manic latch]

Ye 48 nations? Had Hind

[manic latch]

Replacing with what?

[rapid junco]

I dunno tbh
Although the FAB's attention is on the Gripen program at the moment

[manic latch]

Nations that used or had Hind

[dapper parcel]

lmao why not both

[manic latch]

[rapid junco]

Their name here was "AH-2 Sabre"

[spring briar]

wdym lol, exactly the same as Iowa

[manic latch]

But your only attack helicopter is the Hind, Mil Mi-35M

You sure gripen is replacing it?

[rapid junco]

I'm just saying they don't have any replacements now

Just like the Naval Aviation don't have a replacement yet for the AF-1 Falcão (Douglas A-4 Skyhawk)

The Gripen is for replacing the F-5s (Northdrop)

[manic latch]

Yeah the other options were F-18 and Su-57 I think

Or offers let's say

Oh and Rafale

So out of F-18, Rafale, Gripen and joining Su-57 program offers. SAAB won for the Brazil

[spring briar]

[rapid junco]

I do wonder when the Navy will open the bidding for substituting the AF-1s

[rapid junco]

Yeah
66 Gripens btw

[spring briar]

why

why brazil

[manic latch]

You mean 36

[dapper parcel]

Nvm, I thought how the magazine was placed on a very fine section of the hull and level with the propshaft which means shallow too was a bit weird

considering it was Duguay-Trouin, it makes sense tho

[rapid junco]

36 initially
Then the first Batch was extended to 40
Then a second batch was announced recently
With 26 more

[manic latch]

[rapid junco]

Maybe when the Naval Aviation decides to substitute the AF-1s
They can choose for Rafales

[manic latch]

SAAB may get good influence there

[spring briar]

large hull small displacement
draft: smol

[rapid junco]

Yep

[rapid junco]

They even offered once to build some Koster class mine countermeasures ships
With the transference of two used ones

[dapper parcel]

freeboard, YES

[rapid junco]

Well
I need to check that info again

Although that would be good
Since the Minesweeping force today consists of 3 Schutze/Aratu class minesweepers from the 70s

[manic latch]

@shrewd pecan imagine having a Harem like this

Without 35, 32 and X of course. They aren't legal

[spring briar]

F-35's cockpit canapé looks like heisenberg from breaking bad

[rapid junco]

Some of them had a new paint
Although it offuscates the BNAV ensign
Now it looks almost similar to the ensign of the Argentine Naval Aviation

This one for you Riche
The AF-1s on the deck of São Paulo

[manic latch]

Holy fuck I never realized it before

F-35 had sunken rivets there

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Is this your car

[edgy linden]

does anyone remember what these things are?

[dapper parcel]

paravanes

[manic latch]

@edgy linden https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paravane_(weapon)

Mines are fascinating weapons

Its so easy to place them

But removing them is pain

[spring briar]

be careful, you might traumtise british

[chilly osprey]

Mmm, the Falklands were a good lesson in why your ships need to be able to defend themselves against sea-skimming missiles

It would be really, really dumb for any country to loose an AAW ship to similar small-scale attacks 40 years later.

[manic latch]

Yeah missiles are overpowered

Are there an examples where anti ship missile attacks were successfully repelled?

Was it Iraq? Or somewhere else?

Yeah I think it was Uss Missouri in desert storm

"USS Missouri was bombarding Iraqi ground targets inside occupied Kuwait when a “Seersucker” was detected. The battleship launched SRBOC chaff rockets, while HMS Gloucester fired two Sea Dart surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) at the “Seersucker”, destroying it."

"this event was the first time in history that a warship shot down a missile with a missile"

Did Seersuckers used sea-skimming?

I don't remember it

[eager dove]

side eyes Norway losing a frigate to a tanker

[manic latch]

That's shows the great engineering of Burke class

Since those girls do end up ramming someone time to time

But don't result in sinking

[eager dove]

It’s also like competent damage control

More so that tbh

[manic latch]

But Norway's ship was using their most modern damage control no? Did systems fail or crew error?

[chilly osprey]

It was largely down to crew errors

[manic latch]

Automation is the future then I guess. US is reducing the crew number on their new ships with such technology.

Maybe we should work on damage control AIs

[chilly osprey]

There are actually a lot of cases throughout their historical use, just a relatively limited number of hardkill defenses. The vast majority of AShM attacks tended to be defeated by sofkill measures

[manic latch]

[chilly osprey]

That said, probably the most recent example of a hardkill defense against AShMs is the USS Mason's actions off Yemen (Oct 2016)

2 AShMs on 3 Oct, 2 on 12 Oct, and finally a five-missile salvo on 15 Oct

[spiral cedar]

Falklands War, depending on your definition of “repelled.” The Argentine Super Entenards attacked with Exocet missiles, targeting (depending on your source) HMS Ambuscade or HMS Hermes. The defensive measures worked, with chaff successfully causing the missiles to lose their intended targets—only to then lock onto, hit, and sink the M/V Atlantic Conveyor carrying eight helicopters and significant logistical support. Oops.

[manic latch]

Ah by repel I mean destroying it before it hits a target

Or making it miss with counter measures

[chilly osprey]

Bear in mind this reflects all engagements from 1992 and prior and nothing beyond that date (as this analysis is from 1994);

[manic latch]

Maybe detection is number one priority as well?

Since both measures won't work for things they can't see

[chilly osprey]

Being aware is a huge element, yes

The analysis above splits ships into three categories, in fact

1. Defenseless Targets (non-warships with no defensive measures available)
2. Defendable Targets (warships that had the ability to defend themselves but did not)
3. Defended Targets (warships with the ability to defend themselves and actively did so).

The hit rate on defenseless targets was 91.3%, those on defendable targets 68.4%, and those on defended targets, 26.4%

[spiral cedar]

The Syrians fired missiles at 45 kilometres, 25 kilometres beyond the range of the Israeli Gabriel missiles. As the Styx missiles drew closer, the Israelis employed a series of electronic countermeasures that had never been used in combat. They fired chaff rockets, which produced clouds of aluminium chaff that presented false images to the Styx radar. Electronic jamming systems sent out false radar signals to confuse the guidance systems on the approaching missiles. All missiles fired by the Syrians missed their targets and crashed into the sea.

1973 Yom Kippur War, Battle of Latakia

[chilly osprey]

Awareness is a huge factor, as unaware targets often fail to react in time or initiate defenses. And this makes effectively makes them defenseless, even if they tend to be harder to hit in the first place.

Of course, a defendable target can also be one that was aware of the threat but was complacent to it - this is, for example, what happened to the USS Stark.

[manic latch]

You can use early warning planes to help these right

I wonder if you can give warships drones that does similar work with early warning planes

[chilly osprey]

Yeah, AEW is suppose to give you early warning of incoming attacks so they don't appear out of nowhere. And, if you have CEC capabilities, they can even help you engage them beyond the horizon.

[chilly osprey]

We're probably not there you. You want your AEW platforms to be able to operate at a high altitude and for a long period of time

Which is why it usually requires you have a carrier around with a catapult

[manic latch]

Vtol AEW

[chilly osprey]

So it's not something you can just have take off from the average frigate's helicopter pad

[ivory ridge]

So the f35

[manic latch]

F35 fans keep comparing their radar to AEW planes

[ivory ridge]

It's the best you can get on STOVL platforms

[manic latch]

Yeah. Need AEW variant

Would be cool as well

[manic latch]

[chilly osprey]

AEW-variant out of the FVL program when?

Lockmart and Leonardo, with our powers combined...

[manic latch]

You can slap radar on top of Osprey in theory right

Or maybe rotors or balance would fuck it up

Nevermind Osprey production is ending soon

[chilly osprey]

Yeah, AEW Osprey was never really considered that seriously

[remote monolith]

@maiden citrus https://twitter.com/DrNWillburger/status/1540424661590331396?t=3rVpEJ25vhZLQszvlXttdA&s=19

Nina Willburger (@DrNWillburger)

An amazing discovery: a near complete, mummified baby woolly #mammoth was found in the Klondike gold fields within Trʼondëk Hwëchʼin Traditional Territory.

https://t.co/TqnwrVzIcQ

Likes

27893

Retweets

3560

Twitter · Jun 24, 2022, 8:00 PM

what a jackpot of a discovery

[ivory ridge]

Poggies

[spring briar]

klondike bar

[manic latch]

It's either fake or true leak

So get ready for blue balls

[spring briar]

that's literally covering every option

[manic latch]

Or red

[ivory ridge]

looks extremely fan-arty

[manic latch]

Yeah

[spring briar]

"it's either fake or true"

NO SHIT

[ivory ridge]

5head

[manic latch]

it's true tho

[spring briar]

or fake

[manic latch]

Pessimist

[spring briar]

nonsense

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/bretagne-britain-gif-5391991

[spring briar]

yeeee

[ivory ridge]

I love britain too

[manic latch]

Make a version for Jean Bart

[ivory ridge]

where did you get this

alg?

[chilly osprey]

I would kill for data on 1950s French fire control radars

[spring briar]

that's confidential

I have this tho

[manic latch]

AL lore shared it. But we couldn't find out where

[ivory ridge]

God dammit im banned from there

[manic latch]

Explains why I couldn't tag you there

[delicate beacon]

How

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Anyway. If picture is true. It's Colombo very likely

[spring briar]

it is colombo

[ivory ridge]

I mean that's colombo, yes

16 guns, wedding cake tower, you can even see the sextuple 20mm on the turrets

[spring briar]

I should make a minifigure scale richelieu

[frigid karma]

has reasonably sized rigging

so fake

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Littorio style.
Please Manjuu don't do more Hutten style rigs

[spring briar]

no more IB

[ivory ridge]

Saucenao, TinEye, Yandex and google lens dont find anything

So kekw

Havent been to alg in ages, lets see if they have anything to say

[humble mulch]

Well umm

Alg only has it cause Chris's posted it there to get then to find a source