history

[desert agate]

so true, king

[spring briar]

Referring to?

[desert agate]

you

[eager dove]

SU-75 cope machine

cheap 5th gen

[manic latch]

Single engine stealth planes always looked ugly tho

[eager dove]

oxymoron deployed

[desert agate]

f-35 is single engine

[manic latch]

Yeah

[ivory ridge]

reported

[shrewd pecan]

I hate the X-32 and people who simp it

[manic latch]

Imagine how beautiful it would be if had 2

[shrewd pecan]

Boeing delivered a dogshit prototype and it got rejected

[eager dove]

F-35 CAN'T TURN CAN'T FIGHT AND CAN'T SHID AND FART

PIERRE SPREY SAID SO

[desert agate]

pierre sprey dakimakura when?

[eager dove]

plush coffin of pierre sprey

may he never return

[ivory ridge]

Airforce expert

[manic latch]

Ah he is Turkish?

I see lot of Turks shitting on F-35 since they lost the deal

[dusty kraken]

Bruh he's OSHA

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/684721152739770371/975769068244172850/unknown.gif

[dusty kraken]

He's above god himself

[spring briar]

He dead

[manic latch]

What was the saying "apple I cannot reach must taste sour"?

[midnight ore]

ESL moment

[shrewd pecan]

Wonder if the export Su-57s are ever gonna be delivered

probably not

[manic latch]

Topgun 3

[midnight ore]

Maybe they can steal an old ASML machine to print them some more modern chips than vacuum tubes

[strong plank]

Are we sure an F35 didn’t run off with Sprey’s gf or something

[manic latch]

In different reality

[shrewd pecan]

All of Russias chip FABs are old as shit and only used for credit cards

[midnight ore]

I know

[strong plank]

The F32 soyjak

[spring briar]

In the best reality

[ivory ridge]

belgian

no

[spring briar]

[shrewd pecan]

they basically have to recycle consumer chips for military purposes

which is going to be a pain

[desert agate]

belgian shitposts are too good

[manic latch]

Where does the China gets their chips for J-20?

[desert agate]

riche i want your shitposts

[dusty kraken]

China numbah 1 baby

[spring briar]

Belgium is gonna get F35’s

Y’all screwed

[shrewd pecan]

they have modern fabs and aren’t being sanctioned up the ass

[midnight ore]

they have limited fab capabilities

sure, they're 20 years behind

but good enough

[manic latch]

Yeah they build like 100 J-20 now I think

[shrewd pecan]

Yeah they have the ability to actually build the chips and can get the machines to do it

Russia doesn’t

[manic latch]

I assume they can't buy from China since China would get sanction?

[shrewd pecan]

the only acceptable A-10

[midnight ore]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/tk0tzs/scmp_most_credible_news_2_electric_boogaloo/

[shrewd pecan]

Yes

[manic latch]

[dusty kraken]

Shouldn't it be A-10000A

[strong plank]

Nah that thing’ll die in one hit

[midnight ore]

i will never miss a chance to post it when someone mentions j-20 production numbers

[strong plank]

strap some ERA to it

[dusty kraken]

But you see if it gets hit it will split up into 4 A-10s

[desert agate]

i require more

to steal

[shrewd pecan]

man the Chinese only have like

[strong plank]

the parasite fighter concept yet lives

[manic latch]

Dunno man wiki says +50 since 2021. Would make sense if it reached 100 in 2022

[shrewd pecan]

2-3 squadrons worth of J-20s

????????

[midnight ore]

nobody knows

that's the thing with autocratic states

[shrewd pecan]

you don’t double the fleet in a year kremlin

[midnight ore]

they don't tell anything

[manic latch]

Yeah but +50 can mean lot of things. What if it was 70 in 2021 or smh

[shrewd pecan]

number estimates have to be done with either signals intelligence or satellite imagery

both have their flaws

[midnight ore]

like i said, we ca only assume

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

tho the estimate of only 2-3 squadrons I’d say is probably accurate

[midnight ore]

see we hear all those development horror stories in the US

how thing go over budget

and so on

you think that shit doesnt happen in china?

or russia?

they just don't talk about it

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

makes the aircraft more marketable

Tho we can probably guess why the J-10 hasn’t gotten export sales until recently

idk I don’t want to underestimate Chinese capabilities

[manic latch]

Does it? Why people prefer US planes over French mostly?

[shrewd pecan]

since they’re rapidly developing their capabilities especially in the naval department

At the same time you don’t want to overestimate them

[shrewd pecan]

US has the influence to strong arm people into contracts

That combined with French costs and limitations

[midnight ore]

of course not, [current event] is a good reminder what happens when you underestimate things, but corruption and development issues are universal

[shrewd pecan]

like there’s a reason why I argue against saying J-20 is a clone of American platforms

Since it isn’t

[manic latch]

Irrc. Corruption difference was like

In Russia, higher you are more corrupt you get. While in China, higher you are less corrupt you get

[midnight ore]

something like that, or they get better at hiding it

[manic latch]

Could explain China's economic jump

[shrewd pecan]

o boy

I mean chinas economic jump is because it had a ton of economic potential

[midnight ore]

you can bet your ass if the F-35 had the sort of engine drama the J-20 has, heads would be flying in congress

we'd never hear the end of it

[manic latch]

Ok another example.
Construction of Type 003 vs Refit of Kuznetsov

[shrewd pecan]

now it’s slowing down since no economy will grow rapidly forever, and every economy will eventually hit a recession

[manic latch]

Kuznetsov got its funding stolen by her port manager once

Which was for repairs

While Type 003 was build rather good speed

[shrewd pecan]

👁️ I mean the thing is

[delicate beacon]

@spring briar I may have gone a bit too far with this Heeneman

[shrewd pecan]

we don’t really know the extent of Chinese corruption allegations since there you know, kept mostly hush hush, I don’t really want to go further with this topic here

[manic latch]

I see

[shrewd pecan]

since you know anti politics rules

[midnight ore]

well, there's also the fact that china has probably been manipulating their economic data since at least 2008

[spiral cedar]

Something tells me we'd be at no risk of getting bonked if we said there was no corruption

[midnight ore]

but that's a whole rabbit hole

[shrewd pecan]

idk it’s hard to avoid politics with history since politics are apart of history and how you view it, tho since we’re touching on more modern shit we will probably get bonked for it

[manic latch]

For me the military success always comes from budget and lack of corruption.
Since budget gives you funding to actually build and develop. And corruption makes that progress easier and faster.
US is best since lack of corruption and almost 1 Trillion $budget.
While China is getting rather large thanks to their 260 billion $ budget

[humble mulch]

[shrewd pecan]

🗿

[humble mulch]

thankfully I have little to no idea what exactly is being talk about

[shrewd pecan]

Corruption in the shovel industry

Big shovel is after you

[manic latch]

Why Soyuz would actually be great leader for Russia

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749483175012466721/989566626619867136/lidt_azurlane220623.gif

[midnight ore]

new french 💢 ?

[ivory ridge]

yes

[manic latch]

[midnight ore]

💢

[ivory ridge]

Angel from Iris
Vichya botes
what did the devs mean with this

[midnight ore]

[manic latch]

If it likes lolis %90 chance it's also F-35 fan

[ivory ridge]

[midnight ore]

i liked them far before i because enlightened about the f-35

[shrewd pecan]

(to kremlin statement)

[manic latch]

You will see it yourself in time

[manic latch]

Here

[shrewd pecan]

The Su-57 big Chungus

[manic latch]

See Su-57 gives you that big sister feeling. While F-22 and J-20 gives you that childhood friend vibes that you met again after years

While F-35 is a loli

[shrewd pecan]

One of these days you will arrive at the heavenly gate and god will ask you what the fuck were you trying to say on this day

[strong plank]

J-20 looks like

you know the generic futuristic fighter design a lot of sci-fi shows and games try to go for

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_Project_1.44

Sleep well girl

[tough quail]

[desert agate]

THE FLAT FUCK

[manic latch]

Would breed ngl

But I prefer Su-57. Sorry mig

[desert agate]

denmark isnt real sorry

[spring briar]

TRUEEEEE

[ivory ridge]

so true bestie

[spring briar]

[strong plank]

[manic latch]

Mussolinium

[tough quail]

that sure is resolution

[manic latch]

Have a day

[spring briar]

🇧🇪

[desert agate]

@spring briar

ok enought shitposting

bed time

[ivory ridge]

that's a lot of é

[desert agate]

E

EEEEEE
EE
EEEE
EE
EEEEEE

[manic latch]

Wehrmacht soldiers on the pier in the port of Toulon near the sunken French battleship Strasbourg.

[spring briar]

…

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Why sad krem

[delicate beacon]

Where's the Dutch mp4

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684722676371423267/932096253817397288/f92f2d6b49420dc646c1d80241727f96.jpg
friendly reminder

[manic latch]

Picture reminded me the one with German officer front of Sovetskaya Ukraina

Armored cars Lancia AZ 17 Z abandoned by the Italian army on the side of the road on the island of Samos.

[ivory ridge]

so true

[spring briar]

Also 1946 moment?

[desert agate]

turkish man destroys covid 19

[spring briar]

In what universe

[ivory ridge]

ah yes of course in the past they knew the war would end in 1945

clearly

[spring briar]

Ah yes in the past they clearly knew they would be able to retain all bb’s and not randomly get invaded by Burundi

[manic latch]

Burning British merchant ship attacked by Italian torpedo boats

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/367307557796053002/983100879865511966/caption.gif

[spring briar]

POV: Kremlin says smth about soyuz

[desert agate]

its funny seeing unde posting shitposts i made and forgot about

[delicate beacon]

I'm having dreams of 194mm Super Java

[spring briar]

Yes

[ivory ridge]

super java

so C#

[spring briar]

Undy

[manic latch]

My mating call

One day Soyuz will hear

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Italian officers Undef study photographs in Tirana

[ivory ridge]

frenchmerton

[spring briar]

🍷

Let us sip some wine my friend

[spring briar]

?

[manic latch]

Conte di Cavour, Giulio Cesare, Zara

[tough quail]

swell

[spring briar]

Ayo I can see the belt

[manic latch]

[ivory ridge]

tfw actual pocket BBs

[spring briar]

No that would be Soerabaja

These are more like backpack bb’s

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

Loading a torpedo onto an Italian submarine

God wish I was the torp

[delicate beacon]

Aw yiss, pocket BB

Pantserschepen are

[spring briar]

Truly pantserschip

De beste schepen

Van de beste landen

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Schroothoop

[manic latch]

Fuck wrong emote

[spring briar]

Aquila

[manic latch]

Luftwaffe soldiers rest near the ancient Temple of Concordia (Concordia, tempio della Concordia) in the city of Agrigento in Sicily

[desert agate]

gimme that impero emote

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515583624083406848/905117800874508318/Aquila_smile.gif

[desert agate]

@manic latch i want

giv

[manic latch]

[desert agate]

mine now

[spring briar]

Karl Katzenkopf overlooking his soldiers before the invasion of east maldia

[manic latch]

Italian battleship "Italia" in the bay of Calafran in Malta

[spring briar]

Bear on russian bote

Need I say more

[manic latch]

The French destroyer leader "Mogador", damaged by a 381-mm British shell at Mers-el-Kebir

[spring briar]

381 mm

[ivory ridge]

skill issue'd

[manic latch]

Fock

[desert agate]

Australian troops pose next to a Panzer III which had been destroyed during the Easter Battle of the siege of Tobruk

[spring briar]

Got ya nose

[desert agate]

fun fact about the Easter Battle, when it was realised that the attack had failed, the German tank crews had no idea what to do, because they hadnt been trained on how to conduct an orderly retreat, causing absolute chaos

[silver crest]

man, napoleonic to ww1 french marching songs are such a banger

[manic latch]

Australian soldiers who arrived to reinforce the troops defending Malaya and Singapore

[ivory ridge]

tis but a scratch

[spring briar]

Oof

[desert agate]

Singapore remains the site of some of the heaviest casualties faced by any Australian units of either war, some units lost every single one of their officers within 5 hours of the Japanese assault

[delicate beacon]

I'm sorry Richie

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Why you sorry?

[delicate beacon]

The center turret

[spring briar]

Thats fine

[delicate beacon]

[manic latch]

Japanese POWs play baseball at a camp in Guam.

[spring briar]

🇬🇧

[delicate beacon]

I don't like the setup though. Gonna move the funnel forward and put the boats near the gun to save on angles.

Tomorrow anyway

[manic latch]

Australian soldiers rest in the jungle during the fighting in New Guinea

[desert agate]

The entire 22nd Brigade sustained around 65% casualties within 24 hours
From 2,500 men to a little under 900 basically overnight with half of those isolated behind enemy lines
the 2/20th Battalion on it's own sustained 73% casualties in just under 12 hours
The 2/19th Battalion ended up taking the heaviest casualties of any Australian Army unit during WW2 at 817 men from the total of approximately 1,500 who served in the battalion during WW2.

[manic latch]

Australian POWS got bad fates too

[delicate beacon]

All pacific Allied POWs got bad fates

[manic latch]

Australian and Dutch prisoners of war in the Japanese camp of Tarsau

[spring briar]

[delicate beacon]

[spring briar]

Bruh

Sang

[desert agate]

The 8th division was utterly decimated

The blokes on New Guinea got it lucky

Neither side took prisoners on the Kokoda trail

For the better all things considered

And god help you if you were a Catalina crewman

[manic latch]

[desert agate]

All RAAF Catalina crewmen were brutally tortured upon capture

[spring briar]

Speaking of Catalina

[desert agate]

RAAF airmen in general had it bad but the Catalina crewmen were targeted

[delicate beacon]

Fortunately the Dutch had an extensive fleet of indigeneous seaboats
....wait....

[desert agate]

Broome time

[manic latch]

An American soldier gives a hand to a woman with a child hiding in a cave on Saipan

[spring briar]

Rough

[manic latch]

Vice Admiral Mark Mitcher ferries from the destroyer to the USS Randolph near Okinawa

[desert agate]

But yeah the RAAF was extensively involved in the aerial mining of Japanese ports in South East Asia and it sucked up a lot of Japanese resourced, and whe conducted in cooperation with America submarines, utterly decimated the Japanese merchant fleet

[delicate beacon]

Meanwhile, Britain ordered the Dutch subs under their command to be troop transports.

[manic latch]

Australian soldiers and tank "Matilda" on the march on the island of Labuan

[delicate beacon]

Guess it's better than being escorts in the atlantic

[tough quail]

matilda gang

[delicate beacon]

I think Valentines look cuter

[desert agate]

the USAAF meanwhile refused to engage in those operations because in order to get the range necessary, all armour plating had to be removed from the aircraft to bring it up to PBY-5a standard, and the Americans simply refused believing it was too dangerous

[delicate beacon]

USAAF moment

[desert agate]

Oh the Borneo campaign
What a waste of young men that was

Incredibly sad

MacArthur murdered 2000 Australians in that campaign to stroke his own ego

[tough quail]

macarthur moment

[delicate beacon]

MacArthur, Monty and Churchill are up there with the NSB

[desert agate]

Completely pointlessly, Borneo had been surrounded and isolated from all communications with Japan and the campaign served no strategic purpose for the Allies, Macarthur simply wanted to keep Australian troops out of the headlines in the latter campaigns of the war like Iwo Jima and Okinawa

[spring briar]

[delicate beacon]

Sounds like him alright.

[manic latch]

He would nuke the world for his ego

[desert agate]

He also fought tooth and nail to keep Australian troops out of the invasion of Japan before Truman overruled him

Starting a very wholesome and productive relationship between the two that would have no impacts for his career later on

[manic latch]

Burial at sea of ​​dead sailors from the American aircraft carrier "Intrepid"

[spring briar]

Don’t the bodies eventually float up?

[manic latch]

Maybe they put a rock inside. In both case they are fish food

[manic latch]

I would prefer if they burned then spread ashes instead but I doubt ships have crematoriums

[spring briar]

looks at the boilers

slaps self

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

I mean I bet that would be your last wish krem

To get kremated in soyuz’s boiler

[manic latch]

Of course. Being fuel for Soyuz>>>Fish food

Wisconsin

[maiden citrus]

B-but U.S. procurement bad!

[spring briar]

No shells

2/10

[manic latch]

Americans inspect the Tiger tanks destroyed by the Germans near Ksar Mezouar

[maiden citrus]

does it meow, further investigation required

[spring briar]

Holes in Tigers

[manic latch]

I did it

@spring briar

French soldiers during morning mass in the Bardia region of Libya

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

A cow tied to a wrecked German StuG III Ausf. G in Italy

[midnight ore]

Kashino deep lore

[manic latch]

[strong plank]

From what I recall, Borneo was chosen since it would serve as a forward airbase for future operations, and it was only later that it was realized that the campaign had been largely unnecessary

[manic latch]

German pilot Felix Sauer, rescued by the crew of the ship of the Italian Navy

[strong plank]

I don’t think it was chosen in order to deliberately kill or tie up Australian troops

[maiden citrus]

almost certainly wasn't

[manic latch]

Tho it's McArthur

[strong plank]

Right but there’s a difference between arrogance and actively committing thousands of men to a suicide campaign just to get them out of your way

[zealous vine]

i was thinking.. cant you stack torp tubes on top of another?

[spring briar]

Yes you can

But it’s bad practice

[zealous vine]

I see

Mkay

Is WoWs' Vermont even possible in the first place (ignoring every other factor, other than the physics, and economy)

And especially the current one with generally improved maneuverability

[delicate beacon]

Why wouldn't she be?

She's just very slow to the point of being impractical tho

[zealous vine]

That's when I bring up the new Vermont

or is that also slow by bb standards that time?

[zealous vine]

Sorry, changing question.. how impractical is Vermont?

[manic latch]

She isn't that bad but

Montana would be much more useful

Even if it's 12 457mm vs 12 406mm

Vermont certainly has the firepower but things she sacrifice for it is alot

So as I said. You would rather build Montana

[zealous vine]

Pretty summarized ig

[maiden citrus]

vermont is about the speed of a bb I'd build so def on the slower side, and guns are mega overkill, would probably be better to invest in armor

it's a possible ship to build, though

[maiden citrus]

I've always wondered about this, can you explain more on why

[zealous vine]

Was thinking how WoWs could just make Yamagiri have 21 torps by having 7 per mount, 3 stacked on top of 4

[maiden citrus]

like I know stacked torp tubes are questionable but I don't have many real details

[strong plank]

21 torps is also real impractical

can you carry more than one full salvo?

[ivory ridge]

Shima already doesnt

the yuugumos carried more torps than shima in total

[zealous vine]

Didnt shimakaze not carry those spare torpedoe racks (like akizuki here)?

[ivory ridge]

shima is 15 and done

[zealous vine]

yah

[ivory ridge]

designed to drop all of them at once and run away

while the other classes had to wait a lot to reload

[zealous vine]

I mean, even if it's 21 torps, you have to remember this is Shimakaze propulsion

I wouldnt be surprised if she would end up at average DD speed

[frigid karma]

isn't yamagiri 3x6

[zealous vine]

yes, just kitakaze mount replacing shima mounts

[manic latch]

So US plans to purchase 2400 ish F-35 in total

Planned retirement as 2070

Interesting. Since that should be the time Ford class also retire

As should QE classes

Maybe it's a stage where Planes and carriers are being designed as some kind of collaboration plan

[silver crest]

germany had a general called france holder but they stationed him at the eastern front

hitler was such a dumbass

[gentle viper]

Hughes F4 Falcon Family, Yay or nay?

[silver crest]

which country did the worst human experimentations during the war? the germans or the japanese?

[strong plank]

japanese

[silver crest]

im guessing unit 731?

it still blows my mind that they got away with any punishment cuz they shared their experiment results to the americans

[strong plank]

don't get me wrong, both did some extremely fucked up shit

[manic latch]

Profits>justice

[spiral cedar]

No, not really

The US only learned what they did after they got the reports, which only got handed over after the US promised immunity

Legally, their hands were tied

If you grant immunity and then go back on your word you break your legal system

[silver crest]

lucky scumbags

[frigid karma]

Said reports:
“When you force a guy to have frostbite on every limb, he dies.”

[weary timber]

"When you rape a child forcefully infected with syphilis, you get syphilis"

[frigid karma]

One member of Unit 731 later recalled that very sick and unresisting prisoners would be laid out on the slab so a line could be inserted into their carotid artery. When most of the blood had been siphoned off and the heart was too weak to pump anymore, an officer in leather boots climbed onto the table and jumped on the victim’s chest with enough force to crush the ribcage, whereupon another dollop of blood would spurt into the container.

i am fairly certain unit 731 wins the warcrime olympics for ww2

[cold pumice]

They out did the nazis in severity but did they out do them in scale

[weary timber]

Unit 731 is just one of the bio units that carried out germ warfare and experiments in China. There are also more throughout SEA, as well as various massacres that took place. One of the more notable ones local to me (Singapore) is the Sook Ching https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sook_Ching

[weary timber]

Therefore, Rummel’s estimate of 6-million to 10-million dead between 1937 (the Rape of Nanjing) and 1945, may be roughly corollary to the time-frame of the Nazi Holocaust, but it falls far short of the actual numbers killed by the Japanese war machine. If you add, say, 2-million Koreans, 2-million Manchurians, Chinese, Russians, many East European Jews (both Sephardic and Ashkenazi), and others killed by Japan between 1895 and 1937 (conservative figures), the total of Japanese victims is more like 10-million to 14-million.

[frigid karma]

going back to 1895 is kind of meming

Also

Chinese deaths every war is so fucking large that the 2nd sino japanese war doesn't really seem that impressive

[cinder escarp]

As the meme goes

[frigid karma]

Death counts in the history of chinese wars are also hard to pin down due to the corollary famines caused by / causing the fighting

not enough cannablism

or de-limbing

My chinese parents: "Qwerty, you should spend more time memorizing chinese poems chinese poems are the peak of eastern literature and extremely beautiful and moving and shit"

Chinese poems:

[dusty kraken]

Beautiful

Now that I think about it

Does China fight itself more than it fights others

[gilded girder]

What doesn't kill you. Makes you stronger

China after fighting itself for the morbillionth time

[weary timber]

Seeing as the civil war is still "on-going", i guess so

[frigid karma]

Not really

[dusty kraken]

The chinese secret to a long lasting civilisation is constant evolving through regular civil wars

[strong plank]

reading wikipedia page on ijn war crimes for shits and giggles
cites mark felton

[frigid karma]

constant evolving

HAHAHA no

There's a reason japan modernized from stone age tools to aircraft carriers in a few decades

and china got a 100 years of humiliation plus another 30 years of being fat north korea on top of that

[gilded girder]

I mean it kinda is still fat NK

[frigid karma]

what

[gilded girder]

Not to the extent that it was but

[frigid karma]

Vale you are literally on a server

about a chinese mobile game

how many nk mobile games do you know of

[weary timber]

qing dynasty basically brought china to its knees

[frigid karma]

Not qing

ming fucked it

[weary timber]

discord is owned by china too

[strong plank]

given how many people started to simp for kim's sister, I'd be surprised if there wasn't at least one out there

[gilded girder]

Does Stay Stay DPRK counts?

Not mobile but still

[frigid karma]

qing dynasty was already technologically falling behind compared to the west

By 1644, European nations were already conquering large swaths of American and seaside African territories

[dusty kraken]

Best Korea doesnt release their games to the international market because it would fucking eviscerate the competition duh

[frigid karma]

Meanwhile Chinese were still using crossbows

[gilded girder]

Sounds like a

[dusty kraken]

Skill issue

[strong plank]

technological issue?

fuck

[gilded girder]

Skill issue

Ngl

[frigid karma]

Early ming dynasty even had a shitton of naval adventures and shit

[gilded girder]

Yeah ngl that's kinda cool

[frigid karma]

then the boomers in the gov. threw a fit and then isolation moment

[weary timber]

who's the dumb one that ordered to burn the ships?

[gilded girder]

Tho I think we beat their ass at one point

Or was that the mongols

Eh. Same shit

Both northern savages

[frigid karma]

Say that in china vale and you will get hung and quartered

What

what the fuck is wrong with you vale

"Both northern savages"?

[gilded girder]

Need i /s

🗿

[frigid karma]

I don't care

[frigid karma]

Also it wasn't just the ships fish

like

[strong plank]

look at the citadel on that thing

[frigid karma]

they burnt the fucking blueprints too

Most of chinese history is burning past shit

[dusty kraken]

Sails?

[weary timber]

The Taizong Shilu contains 24 short entries for the imperial orders for shipbuilding, with figures pointing to at least 2,868 ships

[dusty kraken]

Y E S

[weary timber]

had the largest navy in the world by orders of magnitude, sails around the world, burns it

[frigid karma]

I wouldn't really say around the world

most of their exploration was SEA and east africa

and while late-stage qing dynasty was some embarassing shit, when you look at late-stage [any] dynasty it's also a lot of embarassing shit

qing just had the british barging in

[gilded girder]

This is a

heaven's mandate moment

[strong plank]

they tend to do that don't they

the british, barging into things

[frigid karma]

tbh it would've been so much better if the americans arrived first

despite its reputation, america treated most 3rd world nations quite well

[gilded girder]

Biggest sport in China is now fucking handegg

No Qwerty plz

[frigid karma]

The "oppressive" treaties Japan faced allowed them free access to American markets, technology, etc.

China just got opium shoved up their ass

[strong plank]

then there was the uh

boxer rebellion

[frigid karma]

and then we got styled on with the 55 days at peking song

[weary timber]

Did America used to colonize stuff as well?

[strong plank]

depends

[frigid karma]

i mean

phillippines

[weary timber]

wasnt philipines spanish?

[frigid karma]

America is easily the best country to be colonized by though

when your options are

[strong plank]

it kinda depended on how close you were to the US

[frigid karma]

britain

[strong plank]

like

[frigid karma]

france

germany

[dusty kraken]

Well uh

[frigid karma]

belgium

[dusty kraken]

The indians weren't feeling so good

[frigid karma]

if america colonizes you sure there's some economic exploitation but you probably won't get off too bad

[weary timber]

Singapore didnt do too badly all things considered

[frigid karma]

Manifest destiny was pretty bad yea but compare it to any other colonial conqueror at that point in time and it looks much less bad

[strong plank]

unless you're native american, in which case you're living life on hard difficulty

[frigid karma]

British singapore and modern singapore are two entirely different entities

after ww2 a SHIT ton of chinese people moved to singapore

like

enough to completely destroy its identity as a colonized state and so now it's doing quite well as long as you don't chew gum on the streetse

[weary timber]

Singapore has a shit ton of chinese before ww2

[frigid karma]

it got way more after

[weary timber]

ever since it became a major trading post, people have flooded here

[strong plank]

actually whats kinda funny about the us military and native americans

[frigid karma]

Chinese civil war forced a lot of chinese there

not as much as taiwan, but comparatively speaking quite a bit

[strong plank]

at some point we stopped naming helicopters after tribes, because the army assumed they'd be offended

but they basically went "wait why'd you stop?"

[gilded girder]

Wait. You stopped?

:(

[strong plank]

don't remember exactly which one it was

I want to say cobra but I'm not sure

yeah think that was it

[frigid karma]

"bro that was part of the deal"
"what deal"
"here"
"The indian savages shall be recompensed for their land if we ever create highly versatile flying vehicles that can deliver death and destruction with near impunity and deadly precision by naming them after their tribes"

-signed, G. Washington

[dusty kraken]

Other countries when one of their states want to be independent:
"Nooooo you can't just leave us"
Malaysia to Singapore:
"Hey can I sta-"
"Fuck off you're too chinese"

[strong plank]

man, the bell 360 invictus sounds cool but its just not the same without carrying the tradition

also like

[gilded girder]

SEA Moment

SEA Moment

[strong plank]

the Lakotas have blessed helicopter before

[weary timber]

The issue was that Singapore was winning the elections......... so.................................

[strong plank]

https://www.army.mil/article/86746/north_dakota_guard_tribes_dedicate_lakota_helicopter

thanks discord embed

[weary timber]

better to lose a small ass state than a whole country

[strong plank]

man now I'm thinking like

the apache's gonna get retired, probably within the next few years or so

[shrewd pecan]

nah

Apaches staying in service for a long while

[strong plank]

I know that's the life cycle of any military tech, but damn will I miss it

wait deadass

[shrewd pecan]

yes

non of its replacements are already

[strong plank]

I know they're being developed though

[shrewd pecan]

its been forever since I heard anything about V-280 or whatever its ugly competitor was again

[dusty kraken]

Said small ass state proceeds to become an economical powerhouse compared to the nation that kicked them out

💀

Just have an Apache II

[shrewd pecan]

probably what it's gonna end up being

[gilded girder]

Malaysia autobalanced so Indo stays relevant

💪

[dusty kraken]

Need new dev team for Malaysia ples

Our devs have been doing shitty and incompetent updates since the nation's launch

😭

[shrewd pecan]

man ever since the British got nerfed into the absolute ground, none of the updates for it and its former clan lands have been good

[fierce sparrow]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FV6yav2X0AAVW33?format=jpg&name=small

[desert agate]

She's coming

[shrewd pecan]

[spring briar]

Poland people thinking Poland has become relevant

[shrewd pecan]

I look forward to when we're able to discuss this conflict

since dear god there's a lot of interesting shit and future ramifications for everyone involved

[spring briar]

ye

[shrewd pecan]

👁️ BMD-4M and its consequences for the VDV will be discussed here eventually in full detail even if it takes years

[junior trench]

ok but

what about the bigger picture

which is a probable repeat of the post-1991 massive push for military reforms in multiple countries that had their beliefs about warfare and doctrine overturned in (relatively) lightning speed

Gulf War was a huge lesson for certain nations clinging to ideals of stuff like political zeal and massed forces being able to make for technological deficiencies

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

[junior trench]

ok

slight correction

[shrewd pecan]

we haven't really had any of the post 1991 reforms tested in any meaningful way considering none of the conflicts we've seen aren't the type those reforms were meant to counter

[junior trench]

clinging to ideals of stuff like the """correct""" political zeal and massed forces being able to make for technological deficiencies

because that idea was already shot in the head

just with a different set of ideologies

so therefore "it's different this time"

[shrewd pecan]

tho a ton of failings and deficits have most definitely been revealed such as the inability to scale a certain nations armed forces to the task at hand

probably safer to mention this type of thing in the other server tho

[junior trench]

I mean

I'm just talking about the 1991 effects

[shrewd pecan]

I see

[junior trench]

and now for a totally different topic

historical fishing baits

[spring briar]

oooh

now you've caught my attention

[junior trench]

I dunno tbh

I'm just going to assume food scraps and fish guts

but do we have any historical documentation about fish bait?

[spring briar]

I mean

folks just used a pitchfork to lure worms out of the ground

then stuck them to a hook

[junior trench]

oh

I did find something

[junior trench]

This short verse from John Denny’s the 'Secrets of Angling' from 1613 explains popular baits of the time.

With paste or corne, their greedy hunger tame,
The dace, the Ruffe, the Goodgion and the rest,
The smaller sort of crawling worms loue best.
The Chaueunder and Chub doe more delight,
To feede on cheese or Cherries red,
Black snayles, their bellies slit to show their white,
Or grasshoppers that skip in euery Meade,
The Perche, the Tench, the Eele, doth rather bite
At great red worms, in Field or Garden bred."```

[spring briar]

oh you mean like medieval era

or before

[junior trench]

yeah

I mean like

way back

as far back as possible

I want the oldest fish bait possible

[spring briar]

you'll have to go to bone hooks and harpoons

[junior trench]

but those aren't bait

[spring briar]

bait is gonna be organic so I don't think it would be preserved from back then

maybe a lure

let's see

shit

nothing on lures

aha

In early prehistory, humans may have invented
the gorge to carry bait to be swallowed by fishes
and other aquatic creatures. A line tied to the gorge
enabled a fisherman to retrieve the animals that
swallowed such gorge. Seemingly, the gorge
evolved into the hook which can be conceived as a
combination of a barbed, or barbless, spear and the
gorge.

when flaking splinters from hand axe rocks, often the splinters form small sickles which are basically small hooks

despite our recent advancements, our hands are still mostly adapted to hold stone tools

[spring briar]

^

[exotic scarab]

The summary of all those memes

Although le ww3 would be better

[delicate beacon]

Time to pull a Spon and touch grass

[eternal veldt]

Following Victor’s Twitter announcement, I can now reveal that we found the wreck of USS Samuel B. Roberts at 6895m. Victor and sonar operator Jeremie Morizet found her upright and nestled up against a ridge, all there but broken in two. It will take me some time to conduct a full analysis of the imagery but at first glance I can tell that she sank intact with the exception of her stern, which was blasted away during the battle down to her rudder posts. She nosed into the bottom but encountered hard rock instead of soft sand. Her bow crumpled and her stern slammed down across a ridge. The ridge broke her keel and the stern separated where she had suffered a battleship salvo on the surface that tore away her port side. More details will come out later after I have completed a thorough analysis. My report, like the one I wrote for the USS Johnston wreck last year, will be submitted to the Naval History and Heritage Command.
The wreck of “The Destroyer Escort that fought like a Battleship” was found, coincidentally enough, on Destroyer Escort Day.
The Sammy B now replaces Johnston (6469m) as the world’s deepest shipwreck.
Photos taken by Jeremie Morizet from the observer seat in the DSV Limiting Factor. This is the Limiting Factor’s final wreck finding expedition, she transfers to a new owner next month.

[desert agate]

At tank fest and the Hetzer broke down

[gilded girder]

Le Hetz

Pat it

[eternal veldt]

It's just tradition, don't worry

also, holy shit, this is one of the best wrecks I've seen for some time https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669133963864047626/989852157756997643/unknown.png

What staying near 6500 meters deep below water does

[zealous vine]

If my memory serves me decent, wasnt one of the Lion design variants a battleship Des Moines with 16"ers?

[eternal veldt]

There are some autoloader variants, yes

[zealous vine]

How many seconds can the mechanic theoretically cut down?

[desert agate]

Lmfao the M4A4 broke down too

[junior trench]

I wouldn't expect any less from an ancient A57 multibank

The engine so shit that the US wanted nothing to do with it. Yet was simultaneously such an improvement over the available engines that the UK gobbled them up.

[royal quail]

[dapper parcel]

I still amazed the engine didn't shake itself apart even back then

[desert agate]

All I heard was a loud pop and she stopped

[dapper parcel]

5 crankshaft sounds like a vibration and balancing nightmare

[junior trench]

I think the weirdest Sherman engine has got to be the turbocharged radial diesel D200A

tbh

because it's a diesel conversion of the R-1820 cyclone

[manic latch]

No wonder Soviets preferred A2 over A4

[fierce sparrow]

https://twitter.com/dewszt/status/1540307441698476032

Dew (@dewszt)

Infantryman 2000 - Future soldier concept during the Cold War by British company Scicon. Equipped with a set of experimental gear, such as a vertical missile launcher

Twitter · Jun 24, 2022, 12:14 PM

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British companies always had weird ideas for future

Especially the naval designs

[manic latch]

An example

[fierce sparrow]

[spring briar]

people in WT crying about Soviet 12" AP filler is hilarious

@manic latch

[manic latch]

Do they know

I think they were also crying about Soviet SAP too

[spring briar]

both the SAP and AP are absurdly long

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

now I kinda wonder how the shells behaved at longer range

[tough quail]

oh are they just loaded to absurdity or something

[spring briar]

lemme show you darling

SAP

AP

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

and the evolution from 1892-1911

you can clearly see Russia's conclusions from Tsushima

[junior trench]

I'm pretty sure those are going to Type 91 their fuzes

[manic latch]

Tfw no reality where Soyuz fights with Tirpitz

[spring briar]

I don't know how much of a tight twist these shells should have had to get stabilised correctly

but

eh

I don't see them doing too good at extreme range if they aren't correctly stabilised

[manic latch]

You could ask Brainless_Goddess

Maybe he could know

[spring briar]

even if the shells are kinda absurd

can't say the idea behind it is that dumb

also good luck getting Soyuz there

maybe ask the British for a convoy

[manic latch]

They would help

Collab Operation with Lion

[spring briar]

where are Soyuz' fuel ports

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

well?

[manic latch]

Sooo

I know Soyuz had 6000 tons weight for fuel,oil, water

I know her torpedo belt would use fuel oil or water

But...I don't think I have ever seen her fuel tanks locations

Ok now I am wondering it as well

[manic latch]

Found it

Wait

[chilly osprey]

Usually on battleships fuel stowage is in the TDS, and in spaces in the double bottom

[manic latch]

Yeah but I didn't knew they stole all of them there

Isn't that risky

[chilly osprey]

Reserve feed water for the boilers is also often in the double bottom too

I mean, you have to put it somewhere

[eternal veldt]

Considering the weight, it's probably better off at the bottom

Pile the fuel near the top parts with the extremely heavy turrets and superstructure is uh....

Asking for a significantly top heavy and unstable vessel

[manic latch]

Paris Commune bombing German troops in Sevastopol

Marshal of the Soviet Union S.M. Budyonny speaks to the crew of "Tashkent"

[spring briar]

@manic latch making a mini 12” SAP

[manic latch]

3D print or yourself?

[eternal veldt]

Right, I'll ask. Been bugging me sometime since I couldn't get a satisfactory answer for Pretz.

[spring briar]

Next to Richie’s shell

[eternal veldt]

What's that below Tash's bridge? The grided areas? Vents?

[spring briar]

those?

[eternal veldt]

mhm.

[manic latch]

Yeah the mustache

I wonder it as well

[manic latch]

Tash

Women and children evacuated from Sevastopol by the help of "Tashkent"

Tashkent is shelling German positions near Sevastopol

https://tenor.com/view/tashkent-azur-lane-oraoraora-punch-cute-gif-23544502

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project 20I "Tashkent". Pumping water from the stern of the ship. Rescue tugs ChF-2 and Mercury are moored to the board of Tashkent.

Towing of the raised "Tashkent" to the port of Nikolaev for subsequent cutting into scrap metal

[spring briar]

Soviet 305 and French 380 big friends

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@spring briar

Evacuees from Sevastopol transfer from Tashkent to Soobrazitelny.
Approaching its starboard side, the “Soobrazitelny ” took 1975 people on its board in 22 minutes. The situation was complicated by the fact that the destroyer was placed for transportation to Sevastopol 305-mm caliber shells received the day before for the battleship "Paris Commune", laid on the upper deck (70 tons), as well as boxes with shells for anti-aircraft guns, located in cubicles (20 tons). All this sharply worsened the stability of the ship, and practically reduced the possibility of maneuvers to almost zero.

[spring briar]

but

shells

[manic latch]

Yes. She was carrying 305mm shells

With 1900 people

[spring briar]

but shell friends

@eternal veldt
@manic latch

To be precise, an air intake grille for ventilation of the nasal KO. Back in 2011, the respected kaf posted drawings. The above clearly shows both the air duct channel (42) and the superchargers themselves, located in front of the bow KO.

sanglune can you move your comment under this image?

[manic latch]

[delicate beacon]

What comment

there are no comments

[spring briar]

so it's ventilation of the bow boiler room

here's a close up on the system

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

The commander of the destroyer leader "Tashkent" captain 3rd rank V.N. Eroshenko

[spring briar]

this was an italian idea btw

obviously

[eternal veldt]

oof, so somehow blew the vents out.

[spring briar]

probably removed prior to the turrets getting removed

to get more room

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

or to prevent damage to the piece when removing the turrets

it's some sort of forced draft system for the boilers

which would work alright in the cold russian weather I'd assume

however what happens if a seagul flies into it

I hope they have a gauze

[manic latch]

The commander of the two-gun 130-mm artillery mount B-2-LM of "Tashkent" Lieutenant Alekseev.

[spring briar]

looks angy

[manic latch]

If you get bombed non stop everyday

[dapper parcel]

Forward facing engine downtakes huh, what an interesting idea

[spring briar]

that or a forced air ventilation system for the ship

my guess would be forced ventilation for the boilers to increase efficiency at cruising speed

[dapper parcel]

yeah, that 42s are very clearly boiler downtakes

[spring briar]

yep

just hope they have a filter

[dapper parcel]

filtering isn't really a problem, seaspray on the other hand

[spring briar]

that's what I mean

how would you call that

uhh

[dapper parcel]

I hope the waterlock is just ommited on the diagrams for clarity, and not for lack of it

[spring briar]

de-moisturizer?

actually

with superheating they shouldn't be too worried

just add a good collector to the condensor or smth to prevent steam formation

[manic latch]

French artillerymen at the 220-mm gun of the 1917 model of the Schneider company (Canon de 220 L mle 1917) are preparing to open fire on the fortifications of the "Western Wall" ("Siegfried Line") on the German border

[spring briar]

slices through a rogue wave
boilers explode

Boris

what was noise?

btw

where undy

[manic latch]

Tashkent and waves

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

Battleship "Sevastopol" returns to the Sevastopol

Shch-422

Two German soldiers inspect the battleship Sovetskaya Ukraina

[dapper parcel]

What does superheating have to do with charge air
Cold water dousing on the tube exterior would be still a.. err... inconvenience at the very least

[spring briar]

you use the heat of the boiler to pre-heat the incoming air, which speeds it up more and also evaporates any water coming in

that would be difficult to do so I think they just used a few baffles

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

is this such an advanced concept?

[dapper parcel]

that would be charge air preheat, which is completely different concept from boiler superheat (and boiler preheat for that matter)

although even then you still don't want water in your air, imagine steam in boiler room...

[spring briar]

no I don't mean it like that

they probably just used baffles

the problem would be salt deposition anyways

and the plan shows nothing special other than it ending up in the boiler room

disappointed

[rapid junco]

@delicate beacon

[frigid karma]

https://twitter.com/VictorVescovo/status/1540275623960133632?s=20&t=btJuJuqyDjrlZ57FUrfYcQ

Victor Vescovo (@VictorVescovo)

With sonar specialist Jeremie Morizet, I piloted the submersible Limiting Factor to the wreck of the Samuel B. Roberts (DE 413). Resting at 6,895 meters, it is now the deepest shipwreck ever located and surveyed. It was indeed the "destroyer escort that fought like a battleship."

Likes

676

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256

Twitter · Jun 24, 2022, 10:08 AM

[rapid junco]

So what happened
In June 1958, the corvettes Angostura (V-20), Imperial Marinheiro (V-15) and Solimões (V-24) plus the tugboats Tritão, Tridente and Triunfo were sent to rescue the merchant ship Camboinhas which had ran aground at Itaipu beach
Angostura ended running aground too
After 1 month, in July 2nd
Angostura was rescued

Today Itaipu beach is named "Camboinhas Beach"
Since it was decided to abandon her in there
And she was dismantled in there as well

[spring briar]

Brazil lore

[spiral cedar]

1934 German-Italian war

The first meeting with Mussolini certainly affected Hitler’s thinking on his armed forces after Austrian Nazis assassinated Engelbert Dollfuss on 25 July 1934. Mussolini massed three army divisions on the border to show his outrage. Hitler welcomed the assassination but backed down in the face of the Italian reaction.

[spring briar]

@manic latch

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

pats smol 305mm shell

[manic latch]

100mm

[spiral cedar]

@spring briar

[dapper parcel]

beware, they know Spanish

[spring briar]

[chilly osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-annoyed-stöhn-oh-no-oh-nein-gif-24943313

[spring briar]

bismarck had a 17° belt incline apparently

richelieu can be pierced at any range by secondaries too

ok

and only richie's barbette can be damaged by a non piercing hit ofc

because bismarck can't be hit

ofc

[spring briar]

and let's not forget that if Richie had been in Bisko's place, she could have dealt the same hit on Hood with higher probability due to higher pen and also caused much more serious damage to PoW due to underwater shells

[spiral cedar]

Ben Lim at it again

[spring briar]

ofc

bow tanking

[manic latch]

French soldiers dressed as women entertain their fellow soldiers

[spring briar]

my day

so good

then

boom

gas canister explode

but hey atleast my code works

[spiral cedar]

“14 inch shells can’t do any damage” guy

[spring briar]

[spiral cedar]

Cacao

[spring briar]

I call this plot
"sunrise in the east"

[manic latch]

Wonder if this logic makes Vanguard weaker than Nelson

[dapper parcel]

did you... manually raster the plot

[spring briar]

?

no I did it with arrays in python

[manic latch]

What is this and how can I use it to gain love of Soyuz

[spring briar]

🐸

[strong plank]

I’m actually curious now, why did the French go with that turret layout?

[spring briar]

you can use this to make Soyuz run carbon neutral

[spring briar]

20% weight saving compared to 4 twins

[manic latch]

won't ruin her efficiency right?

[spring briar]

and other smaller benefits

[spring briar]

it would increase it

[spiral cedar]

Keeping all the main battery turrets and magazines on the front of the ship reduces citadel length and permits the shafts to be shorter, saving weight

[strong plank]

Ah I guess that makes sense

[manic latch]

Muh bow tanking

[spring briar]

the downsides of quad turrets ofc are that it can be taken out by a good hit

[manic latch]

Imagine the cursed world where richel was designed for bow ranking.
Bow having more armor than belt

[spring briar]

which would mean the loss of 50% of your firepower
this was then alleviated with the high speed

I mean

theoretically it is possible

but shells will ricochet into the Superstructure

[manic latch]

40k is best one. Most armored place is nose. For tanking and ramming

[spring briar]

[dapper parcel]

you use imshow right? put interpolation='bilinear' in the args

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/coding-programming-pink-panther-when-you-delete-a-block-of-code-that-you-though-was-useless-gif-17338075

[spiral cedar]

jUsT DodGe

[spring briar]

always place things in comment if you're unsure

[spring briar]

[spiral cedar]

[spring briar]

jaba please

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-dumbledore-severus-please-gif-5347969

[spiral cedar]

[ivory ridge]

D class battleship

[spring briar]

ah

there is undy

[dapper parcel]

sometimes I wonder what's the point of additional void of it's padded anyway

[ivory ridge]

[spring briar]

well you need something to put the padding in

[spring briar]

Ti ho colpito con un proiettile 305 mm

[dapper parcel]

Tho I guess the gradual thinning did help with avoiding force concentration

[spring briar]

mostly

old AP shell cavities used to be shell shaped

often causing shells to simply rupture

[tough quail]

fill all voids with rubber

[strong plank]

see post on the AL subreddit
check comments
”Yamato is an aviation battleship, fight me”

[tough quail]

da

[spring briar]

@tough quail French torpedo shell

[tough quail]

[spring briar]

I love my country

[strong plank]

“Why would they use it in the Hindenburg if it caused the Hindenburg disaster”

[alpine onyx]

On the note of escort battleships

Did I send that USN study of escort BBs here before?

Absolutely adorable

[spring briar]

yes you did

and it is indeed adorable

but do send it again

and then back to bed with you

[alpine onyx]

I have it saved on the phone

I wanna squish it

[spring briar]

Literally Algérie hull but after she ate 100 cheese burgers

[ivory ridge]

so true

[spring briar]

can you say 'anything else'

[ivory ridge]

anything else

[spring briar]

thanks

[alpine onyx]

Also I refuse to use the term pocket battleship for anything that is not similar to that study

[manic latch]

Borodino "from wows" is a pocket battleship

[spring briar]

pre dreadnoughts are pocket dreadnoughts

[manic latch]

Wish Soyuz called me her pocket battleship

[alpine onyx]

Go touch some grass

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-touch-grass-go-outside-gif-22134586

[spring briar]

go back to bed sirene

[manic latch]

Almost Kronshtadt level ye

Thus pocket

[ivory ridge]

fatter than half the treaty BBs

kap

[spring briar]

Kronshtadt

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Heavy cruiser

[dapper parcel]

there's something about the proportion and sheer angle that made it looks like a tugboat

super angry tugboat

[strong plank]

damn boi she thick

[spring briar]

remember those old US coastal monitors with like a foot of freeboard?

this is their evolution

[alpine onyx]

But not meant for the US

[spring briar]

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guys I found the pinnacle of cuteness

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Why I remember an American design that looked like Borodino

From cold war

She was using 406mm Mark 7

It was on a book

But I forgot which

[rapid junco]

More like
Merchant ship "Tiara" Lore

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Something like artillery support ship concept

[ivory ridge]

cold war

so probably filled with either helos or missiles in the back

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Yeah it was after 1950s I think

I will search it again

[dapper parcel]

What is that exactly anyway?
Cheap BB for allies? Convoy escort?
That looks like 14"er, and the form combined with potential machinery size doesn't scream CVBG-fast to me

[tough quail]

or it was just the burke with the mk7s from le funny kaiju movie

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Burkirowa

[alpine onyx]

The creator intended those to be under the care of smaller navies that wouldn't have the facilities to handle larger battleships

[dapper parcel]

I guess it wasn't BC&R design, since the protection nor bow design are remotely like anything by them

[alpine onyx]

And the main purpose would be to either overwhelm a superior ship with numbers or to be a deterrent against raiders