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chilly osprey
Would you happen to have any links for me to check out or that I can use for a citation?
chilly osprey
Double thanks!
spring briar
De rien
maiden citrus
very rarely, most of Guadalcanal averages at like 19 knots, even for in combat
spiral cedar
maiden citrus
the original gaming pad
spring briar
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586214066352029707/988425768713465886/202...
Radetsky class right?
spiral cedar
Yeh
spring briar
desert agate
training ships are cool and good
STS Young Endeavour with HMAS Perth
Young Endeavour delivers up to twenty youth development sail training voyages to young Australians aged 16 – 23 each year. Navy personnel staff the ship and the Young Endeavour Youth Scheme coordinate the voyage program.
During each voyage the ship embarks up to 24 young Australians who learn the skills required to sail a square-rigged tall ship; including how to navigate, keep watch, cook in the galley, take the helm and climb the 30 metre mast to work aloft, setting and furling sails. They are encouraged to pursue personal and team goals and challenges in an unfamiliar environment as they learn to sail a square-rigged tall ship.
Near the end of the voyage, youth crew elect a command team who take full responsibility for Young Endeavour for 24 hours, sailing the ship along the Australian coast. On their last day at sea, the youth crew host a local group of youth with special needs, sharing their newfound knowledge and experience.
rapid junco
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bruno ganz not receiving an oscar for his role as hitler in downfall is a war crime
rapid junco
summer nimbus
zealous vine
@alpine onyx @chilly osprey @delicate beacon @eager dove thanks for the answers .v.
somber knoll
@spiral cedar , do you have the sources mentioning the Nelsons' disadvantages? especially regarding the stress they received when firing all their guns, full broadsides or not.
also @chilly osprey
spiral cedar
<@358840970931994624> , do you have the sources mentioning the Nelsons' disadvan...
From Burt:
Damage sustained by Rodney during the Bismarck action, 27 May 1941
During the action Rodney sustained very little damage from return fire – three minor shrapnel holes in the side and another small hole which cut the searchlight control leads on the conning tower level. The high-angle director trainer telescope was distorted and put out of action. Much more damage was caused by the firing of her own 16in guns and was as follows:
External. Upper deck was depressed to varying degrees in wake of the turrets. Wood decking was lifted, split and blown out of place. Deck fittings including stowage huts, mushroom heads, skylights, breakwater and berthing rail stanchions were broken and distorted. Watertight hatches to the sickbay flat were blown open.
Internal. Deck pillars under girders were distorted and shaken, the fore and aft girders themselves being fractured in several places. In the torpedo body room the depression was transmitted to the lower deck and put the torpedo transversing trolley out of action. Partition bulkheads were distorted and split between upper and main decks. Considerable lengths of ventilation trunking were split open and in some cases blown out of place. All the stanchions supporting the sick bay cots came away from the deck fastenings.
Damage by blast. HACS roll corrector glass fractured. The angle support on 16in guns around inside of armoured ring bulkhead for supporting leather apron was damaged. Brass bolts within the turret broke loose leaving some hanging out of place. Periscopes in ‘A’ turret were pulled from securing bolts by blast from ‘B’ turret. Various periscopes in both 16in and 6in turrets had hoods so distorted that they were rendered practically useless. The superstructure stood up quite well to the blast of the 16in guns, but the upper deck and fittings proved to be a problem and there was a need of extra support and additional stiffening which was carried out during refit as opportunity arose.
somber knoll
From Burt:
>>> Damage sustained by Rodney during the Bismarck action, 27 May 194...
many thx 
dapper parcel
Surely a lot of those should be caught during previous drills, no?
Damages to decks might be explainable with the unusually short engagement, but turret fittings shouldn't shake itself loose
strong plank
imagine being super hyped that you just sank a bigass german battleship, only to return to find your cot's been warped
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kentucky windage
maiden citrus
While you slept I studied the plade
delicate beacon
French supplying the Americans with guns again
delicate beacon
Run Brits run!
spring briar
"I don't care about winning, I just want the British to lose"
Sanglune is IB again
tender monolith
"I don't care about winning, I just want the British to lose"
the correct notion
spring briar
France losing the Franco-Prussian war deliberately to boost up Germany and make them beat Britian in some battles
maiden citrus
*hands maka a modèle 1777 Charleville musket*
spring briar
expands French colonial possessions, creates margarine and cinqo de mayo, beats the shit out of russia, helps unify Italy, simps for a spanish girls and loses against Prussia
eternal veldt
Portsmouth?
eternal veldt
Oh wow. Reading a new book. Think you guys are aware that Unicorn is the only carrier to have commenced shore bombardment using her guns. Turns out, she has an interesting tidbit here near Hong Kong.
On 27th July 1953, SS Inchkilda departed Hong Kong for Fujian on a regular trip. While the ship was passing through the Greater Qiu Islet, three ROC gunboats approached, and started shooting at her. She was hit by 200 rounds, and was boarded by 20 men. The crew was ordered to sail towards Kinmen with the three gunboats as escorts.
When the Admiralty heard of the news, an order was issued for the closest vessels to rescue the ship. The closest ship at the time was none other than the Unicorn, a ship frequently passaging between Korea and Hong Kong. She arrived on scene mid-afternoon, aimed her guns and ordered the gunboats to stop all engines. When the gunboats saw Unicorn on scene, they instantly left the scene at best speed. "Ran away like cartoon villains", as my book described it. Inchkilda continued without further incidents.
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ROC?
eternal veldt
Republic of China/Taiwan.
desert agate
Yeah ik
eternal veldt
Chinese Civil War is still ongoing at that time, as I recall.
desert agate
Just wondering why they're attacking civilian shipping
eternal veldt
Inchkilda wasn't the only case either.
The ROC was performing a "blockade" of PRC ports at the time
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Just wondering why they're attacking civilian shipping
Maybe assumed she was there to supply enemy? 
eternal veldt
Though the word "blockade" wasn't exactly used, since that would mean hostilites between the two states. The wording used was a "closing operation".
The UK wasn't exactly happy, especially since it interfered with their trading.
Between 1951 to 1953, there were 141 reports of British merchantmen being attacked, 4 wounded, 1 dead.
That notwithstanding, apparently lots of Essexs made Hong Kong a port of call too. Valley Forge and Bon Homme Richard were regulars, it seems. 
Ah, one more tidbit. HMS Peacock, of the Peacock class corvette.
Apparently these couple boats were really fucking controversial, and this is probably of interest to Undie:
It is thought that the Oto Melara 76mm had too much firepower for a boat that is made for deployment to Hong Kong.
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eternal veldt
Either way, to cap it off, there are some other interesting stuff like Hermes doing anti-piracy patrols in the local area
and waaaaaay too many people trying to visit New Jersey when she first came around in 1953. Later visits apparently never got as popular as her first, sadly.
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day 70 of putting oto melaras where they dont belong
So I have been wondering
What caused British to rely on Italians for artillery
Why British couldn't make their own 76mm despite experience
ivory ridge
What caused British to rely on Italians for artillery
Ok so fun fact
they uh
didnt
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Why the 76mm purchases? 
ivory ridge
there is a single class of british ships that ever used the 76mm
patrol boats
that were then sold to ireland
it's why im so mad about the wows 76mm
not only another nations gets them before Italy
but it's the operation nation that literally used them the least
the fucking US used them more than Britain
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that were then sold to ireland
Ye they got Samuel, Roisin, Peacock
ivory ridge
the UK doesnt even appear in the wikipedia page for the operators, only ireland does
eternal veldt
The peacocks were eventually sold off. maybe ex-operator?
Philippines should be one of the operators as well since they got a hold of couple of those.
ivory ridge
No, the list in the page is both current and previous operators
manic latch
Holy shit I forgot Oliver used 76mm
ivory ridge
manic latch
Oh it says it
While the 57 mm cannon may not seem as powerful as larger naval guns, such as the OTO Melara 76 mm, some of its performances are comparable; given its rate of fire and amount of explosive per shell, the Bofors gun actually achieves a higher amount of "explosive fired per second" than the 76 mm
Could explain why US preferred it
ivory ridge
well the first obvious reason is because it was designed and built by them
the 76 was licensed built only
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I thought Bofors 57mm was Swedish
chilly osprey
57mm can, if you compare specific shell types, theoretically put out more explosive mass per minute
Though, that's not really how effectiveness of fire works, and each 76mm shell hits much harder than the 57mm
And weight of fire overall heavily favors the 76mm
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chilly osprey
The gap also widens when you step away from theoretical rate of fire, since while the 76mm can continuously fire at 120 rpm, while the 57mm, in its most advanced versions, is basically fire 40 rounds at 220 rpm (10.9 sec firing time) and then take 8 seconds to reload, before firing another 40 rounds. So, if you measure the amount of time it takes for them to exhaust their ready ammunition, the 76mm has an effective RoF of still 120 rpm, while the 57mm is just under 150 rpm
And, uh, after that point, with the 76mm you can just keep throwing rounds into the ready rack, with the 57mm it seems you need 3-5 minutes to reload the ready ammunition
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Must be a reason US choose it over 76 for Constellation
chilly osprey
Oh, that's easy. They already use the 57mm (introduced for the Zumwalt and LCS programs).
They've already sunk the money into developing more advanced ammo for the guns, they've got a production line going in Kentucky for them, and they've never used the Super Rapido, only the other Compatto
The 57mm was a requirement for the FFG(X) program from the start
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<:Sadge:757500586777116752>
tough quail
usn moment
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from what i remember they were working/worked on a pseudo dart guided round for the 57mm so it shouldnt be too bad
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Type 003 cope is legendary
"Our island looks smoother than Nimitz and Ford's island so it's better"
ivory ridge
smooth deez
tough quail
i mean it looks a little more interesting than the usual US CVN
so yeah sure that works
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i mean aesthetics wise it looks way better but
people on the chinese internet are unironically claiming it's technologically superior
because it's smooth
tough quail
aesthetics is the more important battle in an age where like
chilly osprey
from what i remember they were working/worked on a pseudo dart guided round for ...
That would be MAD-FIRES. It's in development at the moment, no word yet on when it's expected in service.
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80% of modern vessels look like shit
yeah but zumwalt also looks smooth asf
spring briar
it's certainly compact
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and no one accuses that ship of looking good
ivory ridge
good in her own way
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fair
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spring briar
iceberg
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yeah but zumwalt also looks smooth asf
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i think it's the cell phone tower on top of her 
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I swear you can make a cool iron by using Zumwalt model
chilly osprey
Front facing Garibaldi looking kinda cursed
Unfortunately she was already partially stripped down by 1973
She's definitely not looking her best
spring briar
the main guns are fascinating
ivory ridge
incredibly funny comment whenever taranto is mentioned
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Why I remember that name
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incredibly funny comment whenever taranto is mentioned
Taranto getting fucked 🤝 Kuznetsov fire
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Such kissable faces 
spring briar
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incredibly funny comment whenever taranto is mentioned
i mean taranto wasn't even that bad from what i heard
italians launched a sortie just a few days later
matapan though
tough quail
Matapan is so nonsense I'm not convinced it was actually real
strong plank
nah see zumwalt's different
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matapan was made up by warspite's crew
therefore it is legit
because warspite deserves to be wanked
tough quail
valid
strong plank
zumwalt's sharp design is so that if they run out of ammo, they can just ram the enemy and cut 'em in half like a knife
ginsu style
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Matapan is so nonsense I'm not convinced it was actually real
fall of france was real so that was too
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richelieu you live in belgium
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see what?
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therefore most of the blame of fall of france falls on you
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strong plank
and since the ship is stealth it'll be invisible to the enemy
"captain something just hit us"
"what did?"
"I don't know, I didn't see anything"
ivory ridge
so true
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because we could've had a sea-to-sea maginot line
spring briar
your mom
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thanks for that belgium
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delicate beacon
incredibly funny comment whenever taranto is mentioned
Before Taranto: Italians can't leave port
After Taranto: Italians can't leave port
chilly osprey
Two-step Anglo guide to describing the Mediterranean in WWII;
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After every battle, remember to let the reader know that because of this battle the Italians never left port again
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When describing subsequent battles, ignore your prior conclusion and remember to repeat step one.
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Two-step Anglo guide to describing the Mediterranean in WWII;
1. After every ba...
History memes 
chilly osprey
'byplanes'
dusty kraken
let byplanes be bygones
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crippled, but not sunk by Biplanes Bismarck lmao eksdee
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If they're British why does the tail have a Dutch flag on it in the image? Checkmate teaboos
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Even ironic posting of r/historymemes or r/ww2memes in this channel should be bannable
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If they're British why does the tail have a Dutch flag on it in the image? Check...
Britain colonized the Netherlands and are using them as colonial conscripts
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Britain never managed to conquer the Netherlands. but the Netherlands technically conquered Great Britain. I shall therefore conclude that it's British colonials in colonial made planes.
dusty kraken
it's french smh
delicate beacon
Can't be.
If it was French it would be saving the US's arse only for them to forget.
ivory ridge
@chilly osprey 
Finally found a place that had it
Or more like
Finally managed to go the place that i know had it
They have insanely bad opening hours for a shop in a tourist city ffs
ivory ridge
i think they are open in the morning and then at 20
also i just realized that i dont know how this kind of shop is called in english
somehow all of this sound wrong to me
English aside, now i just need to order the volume about the Soldati class from like April that i missed
strong plank
I think newsstand is the closest english equivalent?
delicate beacon
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<:Blessex:753375684126310451>
Tfw after 500 years an Alien race find this data shard from a half broken server and thinks it legit
Check this sexy beast
God I want to lick her 
chilly osprey
Newsstand/Kiosk can refer to a variety of sizes of those kinds of stores, so depending on what size you're thinking of for those words it may or may not seem like it fits
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Tfw any European weapon project is now like
🇩🇪 🇫🇷 🇮🇹 🇪🇸 
🇬🇧
ivory ridge
Tfw i keep forgetting spain has typhoons
spring briar
silver crest
what's with this what if UK joined the central powers shit i see on youtube
i can't even see a reason for them to join the germans
chilly osprey
Kaiserboos?
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kaiserboos 
japan joining the central powers seems reasonable with their rocky relationship with russia
but the UK?
nah
chilly osprey
I mean, it was an angle that Imperial Germany had tried to pursue earlier, in order to keep France isolated
But the British weren't very interest, and as with most things in regards to German foreign policy of the era, Wilhelm II royally screwed it up
silver crest
wilhelm really fucked over his chance of being allies with the UK
with the naval arms race
and also the whole invading neutral belgium thing
did the germans also invade luxembourg or was it only belgium
shrewd pecan
Luxembourg was occupied
idk Germany didn’t really have any other options for invading France beyond Belgium
French-German border in both wars was heavily fortified
Any fight amongst that line would of just descended into trench warfare and artillery throwing
silver crest
they invaded through belgium and trench warfare still happened
line didn't move for months
wilhelm really got out lucky after the war compared to other monarchs who lost major wars
he spent his last days chilling in the netherlands
shrewd pecan
I mean it still ended that way but the fighting was mainly in France and Belgium, not in Germany
it also let Germany make rapid advances during the initial phases of the war
shrewd pecan
Germany was fought to exhaustion and its Allie’s were collapsing
By the end of the war the Entente were completely dominating the field and making rapid advances
I don’t think US involvement had much of a impact as allied victories toward the end of the war along with the blockade, tho it certainly was a massive boost to allied performance
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a bunch of fresh soldiers would be a good change of pace
considering what the entente had to endure the first 3 years of war
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To reprhase my statement
Without the US the entete would have been able to force a winning armistice out of the war
but i don't think they could've proper invaded germany, at least without unacceptable political ramifications
then again, depending on who you ask, that would've been true with US support as well
shrewd pecan
Germany was on the brink of collapse and it’s army was in open mutiny
frigid karma
that was after about a year of US involvement though
spring briar
you're overstating the importance of the US in WW1
they were great as a morale boost and as temporary fodder in 1917 sure
shrewd pecan
the US was dependent on equipment gifted from the French and British
spring briar
and training from their veterans too
shrewd pecan
combined with the French and British still doing the bulk of fighting and the rapid victories toward the end of the war
spring briar
the US was anything but ready to fight a European war as is
spring briar
still, as I said
the US quickened the inevitable so more lives and suffering was spared to some degree
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but I'm not sure the UK/FR could necessarily directly invade Germany at the end; German morale was basically dead by mid 1918, but british and french morale weren't exactly high either before the US came in
spring briar
they mostly didn't want bolshevism to spread
a lot of generals thought the uprisings would be contageous
so invading an "infected" germany was the last thing they wanted
and everyone was simply sick and tired of the war
nor did they want to cause a scramble for german territory
since we all know what those lead to
the Italian scramble for Austro Hungarian territory was wild tho
chilly osprey
Real treaty of London hours
But, overall - Germany was pretty much on its last legs by 1918 due to the blockade
And its allies were crumbling
If it tried to stick it out much longer it would have been back to a two front war with vastly worse economic conditions than before
spring briar
in the end, the entente got most of her goals at the end of the war
France got Alsace-Lorraine back and had new influence in the middle east
Britain was able to defend Belgium (sike) and got the influence in the middle east
Italy got Trento and some other stuff they wanted
in hindsight, some harsher restrictions on German industry would've been nice
or atleast some way to make the german people understand that they had decidedly lost this war
which would discourage them from starting another
but this didn't happen
allowing disillusionment to spread among the german population
and this, combined with the 1928 economic crisis kinda laid the groundworks for hyper nationalism
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the funny lines that the french and british drew in the middle east resulted in countless conflicts and territorial disputes there
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and america got trench gun montages 
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people really sleep on the sykes picot agreement
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best weapon of the war
strong plank
livens large gallery flame projector time
spring briar
the best weapons of the war were the
75mm mle 1897
any sort of maxim gun variant/hotchkiss HMG
rifle
grenades
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why the bar
manic latch
they mostly didn't want bolshevism to spread
spring briar
no?
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while being a maintenance nightmare
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🍿
spring briar
any sort of nightmare is a result of pepega ww1 american logistics
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i mean it wasn't even standard issue in ww1
strong plank
30-0.6 my beloved
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i recall horse spent like a whole hour in shitting on the bar
manic latch
the best weapons of the war were the
75mm mle 1897
any sort of maxim gun varian...
Mosin–Nagant 
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spring briar
it's ok Krem
I might shit on russian politics
but I love the guns and ammo
9x39 mm my beloved
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lewis gun is also capable of actual sustained fire
and not having to reload every 20 rounds
Source: I play BF1
strong plank
thats an image
spring briar
KGB requirements be like:
- subsonic
- good armor penetration
- long range
- subsonic
- heavy bullet
- accurate
- subsonic
ivory ridge
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silver crest
that's quite the penetration
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NATO be damned
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i mean richy
i get that you would simp for the hotchkiss HMG
but you would seriously state that the maxim is a better gun than the Lewis
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Case AK-47
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i mean
spring briar
but you would seriously state that the maxim is a better gun than the Lewis
yeah
I would
lol
also
lewis is an LMG
maxim is an HMG
so why compare them?
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ik the difference
except maxim guns aren't exactly useful if you're, well
attacking
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like a lewis can't do that
and you can actually haul a lewis gun around to a better spot
spring briar
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all you need to do is bring one mag along with the gun and you have 200 rounds
that's fairly sufficient for suppressing fire
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and the Maxim has a 250 round belt
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you also can't haul ass with a maxim in case your position gets lit up with artillery
spring briar
with continuous fire
spring briar
well you can just keep the maxim hidden until an assault happens
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how exactly are you supposed to help with assaults with a maxim
spring briar
but those are late war
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after you break like the first trench line
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read my second comment bro
like sure all of your tactical objectives are in the sightline of one static maxim
manic latch
why didn't it see service all the way up to the korean war
?
spring briar
also
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ok but it's soviet
spring briar
you can't use a lewis for sustained fire
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like
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the soviets grab whatever they can
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for any war
including [redacted conflict]
i mean we saw panzer iv running around in syria
spring briar
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doesn't mean it can beat a patton
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Ok Qwert then how you explain this
gun was not initially adopted by the U.S. military, most likely because of political differences between Lewis and General William Crozier, the chief of the Ordnance Department. Lewis became frustrated with trying to persuade the U.S. Army to adopt his design, "slapped by rejections from ignorant hacks", in his words, and retired from the army
Seems Lewis didn't got much respect first at all
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talking about the gun you moron
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Yes
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and this is a case of political differences getting in the way of military efficacy
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again
a maxim can only be used for helping with assaults by suppressing inital objectives
spring briar
Qwerty please just go read a field manual on the maxim or lewis or smth
who tf is assaulting with a lewis guns
you grab that shit, go find a crater and use it to provide covering fire
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you're not the one leading the charge
spring briar
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but a lewis gun can help provide covering fire to an assaulting force better than a maxim can
yes the maxim can fire continuously but it's also static
spring briar
they are two different weapon systems...
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and i'm arguing the lewis is better
manic latch
Can't wait for this baby
spring briar
it's like saying a fork is better than a knife because I can use the side of the fork to cut my fish
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<:LaffeyStare:585585240236621864>
American flag= better
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no, the fork is better than the knife because i can stab stuff and pick up stuff with it, which the knife can't do, while also doing a half-assed job at cutting fish
plus the british have the vickers for an actual HMG
spring briar
ok go and stab me through this vest with a fork
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but the germans don't really have an LMG to provide flexible coverage for assaults
spring briar
go ahead
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ok go and stab me through this vest with a fork
stabs you in eye
manic latch
Yeah eye loss doesn't mean death
spring briar
trench is static
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idk you can't see anymore
spring briar
I still have another eye
manic latch
Stabbing both eyes with single fork?
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gotta do it quick
also the entente didn't win the war by just sitting around in the trenches
spring briar
and needed to take their HMG's with them to defend their new salient
because you can't defend a static position with just LMG's
now if you gave the Lewis a heavy bipod and a gun shield
now we're talking
if you added some water cooling pumps on it
now you're essentially making it an HMG again
gives Kremlin a Berdan II rifle
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delicate beacon
Tfw after 500 years an Alien race find this data shard from a half broken server...
But all this data is legit?
It's also on secretprojects right now.
manic latch
But all this data is legit?
It's also on secretprojects right now.
I was worried you put some of your own designs inside
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I mean it feels like this debate is less over Lewis vs maxim and more about whether lmg or hmg is better
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And the thing is
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The biggest own designs I put in there are my images of a Groot Destroyer and van der Sluis Battleship, which I emphasised were my own.
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The Lewis gun can enable attackers to make a salient where the British can then move up their HMGs like the vickers to hold the salient
It opens opportunities
spring briar
I mean it feels like this debate is less over Lewis vs maxim and more about whet...
I get your point that the LMG can be used both for static suppression and for mobile defence
that is indeed a big advantage
but for sustained fire it is useless
and that what you want in a static position during an enemy assault
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Whereas the maxim is only good for defense
And like
The Lewis isn’t entirely useless for defense either
spring briar
sure
you're right there
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Sure it can’t sustain fire but you can at least bring them to a defensive position easier
spring briar
but it doesn't matter
manic latch
sure
you're right there
Imagine not having Tachanka lmao
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Imagine not having Friesland guns
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Imagine not having Friesland guns
built by the Swedes
Friesland will always be pan European sang
Forever separated from her sis Groningen
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For some reason most sources say it's Wilton Fijenoord
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I believe Qwerty's wife is a Lewis gun and he feels like I am insulting her or smth
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I know the feel
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I believe Qwerty's wife is a Lewis gun and he feels like I am insulting her or s...
Captain obvious here
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I mean cmon the Lewis gun is a fuckable gun
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We should turn Kremlin into a French BB because French gun. And all the British Ships into Dutch because Dutch AA
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Even if there is a thot behind her
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We should turn Kremlin into a French BB because French gun. And all the British ...
So Dutch ships are German now
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So Dutch ships are German now
But none of them use German guns... Wait.... 
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spring briar
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What bout the 7 provinces
delicate beacon
Swedish
manic latch
guys i'm just horny rn ngl
Sniff Rich's gloves
manic latch
delicate beacon
She's never creditted with the correct Swedish guns tho
spring briar
frigid karma
Go on
spring briar
wut
spring briar
kronshtadt in WT is too powerful
frigid karma
So I think it is
manic latch
Does that say copium in Russian
Yes
manic latch
I think Kron is around Scharn's BR
Let me check again
Scharn is 6.7
Kron is 6.7
Hood is 6.7
Wait why hood is 6.7
manic latch
Perhaps
ivory ridge
Wait why hood is 6.7
because they are incapable to balance that gamemode
manic latch
Yeah...
manic latch
Nah they will say Germany suffers then somehow lose on Bismarck so much that her BR will be 6.0
spring briar
I just fear about how broken they will make her
manic latch
I just fear about how broken they will make her
H-39 will likely make an appearance to fight with ships like Yamato, Iowa, Soyuz, Lion
Maybe Gaijin can make an exception for Alsace on France but don't know
But Richels may have problems against such ships
As would Littorios
manic latch
Hood gonna ara ara kron
Also Alaska when she arrives
frigid karma
If I had to guess, they’ll first release Bismarck as like 7.5, then wehrbs will cry and she will get buffed to 1.1, then she will kill everything so then gaijin will nerf her repair costs to like 8 trillion dollars worth of currency
Then someone will figure out a way to reliably kill the Bismarck with that overpowered low tier German aa barge
I don’t play wt but that’s how I think it works
spring briar
Also Alaska when she arrives
Dunkek
manic latch
Ships like Iowa and Yamato will cost alot to repair because of their fanbase alone
Shimakaze already has iffy repair cost in order for Gaijin to prevent her spam
frigid karma
Wows ships basically have life insurance
Or rather ship insurance
Have warships ever been insured?
Anyways the subject of your next mark Felton video:
spring briar
Kinburn
frigid karma
We have a maus with an l3/33 for a turret
manic latch
Kinburn
Speaking of. Izmail could pop up between Stalingrad and Soyuz on BR now that you mention
manic latch
I thought wt didn’t do paper ships yet
They did it already for few ships. Ships under construction is fine
Kronshtadt came this update
manic latch
Yup. Even launched with her 3 sister
But revolution happen
3 of her sister got sold to Germany for scrapping
Izmail got scrapped in Russia
ivory ridge
Tfw any European weapon project is now like
🇩🇪 🇫🇷 🇮🇹 🇪🇸 <:GunRight:88717...
FCAS/SCAF vs FCAS (Tempest) be like
🇫🇷 🇩🇪 🇪🇸 
🇬🇧 🇮🇹 🇸🇪 🤝 🇯🇵
spring briar
@manic latch
ivory ridge
The US in the corner eating popcorn after selling F35s to half of those nations
(pls spain do the funny to make france mad again)
spring briar
GariMALDi
ivory ridge
ivory ridge
spring briar
maiden citrus
spiral cedar
you're overstating the importance of the US in WW1
The US was critical to Entente victory in WWI because Entente victory was reliant on the British blockade, and the Brits would have been forced to the negotiating table in 1917 were it not for Admiral Sims convincing the British government to force the Admiralty to adopt the convoy system 
delicate beacon
tbh I think ||France.....|| is more important in the Entente victory.
spiral cedar
Necessary vs. sufficient
midnight ore
your name wasn't always red, right? sanglune?
tight violet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB30mmmDuT4
anti tank machine gun
midnight ore
It's so I can blend in with Degeneral
spring briar
The US was critical to Entente victory in WWI because Entente victory was relian...
This is not land based military tho
spiral cedar
Yes?
delicate beacon
Britain, isnt that the country that copied the Dantons and helped France blockading the Germans with superdantons?
Or copied the Ft-17s but made them oversized and cumbersome, without turrets to boot?
spiral cedar
Read Ft-17 as F-117 for a second
midnight ore
what would a hypothetical armistice between UK/FRA and Germany look like if US wasn't in the war?
spiral cedar
Sims wasn’t an admiral in the Canadian navy though
spring briar
Very true
delicate beacon
what would a hypothetical armistice between UK/FRA and Germany look like if US w...
None. I don't think either were willing to settle. Though Germany did seem to have less ambitious goals
midnight ore
indefinite stalemate like korea?
delicate beacon
Mhm, I'd expect it implodes somewhere. Highly dependant on French morale
Then again, the German homewront wasnt looking to ecstatic either.
spring briar
French morale was fine as long as the generals weren’t throwing lives away
midnight ore
double civil war 
spring briar
The whole reason behind the 1917 mutinies was not wanting to get used as fodderino
midnight ore
i can't imagine french morale being that much better than GER in 1918 if US didn't join the war
spring briar
The US was critical to Entente victory in WWI because Entente victory was relian...
Admiral Bayly isn’t even mentioned
F
spring briar
I think the biggest change was making the convoy much more closely packed
Making it appear much smaller as well
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https://tenor.com/view/ace-ventura-pet-detective-jim-carrey-comedy-duh-gif-18232...
Did you think of that maka?
Or just hotdog
rapid junco
@ivory ridge
maiden citrus
I think of hot dogs, then have random epiphanies
maiden citrus
I mean that's always good too
spiral cedar
Here
spring briar
203 mm capped shells from the original makarov tests
Right after the invention of the AP cap
manic latch
<@688903088819404825>
spring briar
spiral cedar
Is that compound armor?
manic latch
Rich
Where did your shell fetish came from
I don't remember you liking them this much before
spiral cedar
Wood?
spiral cedar
Not really talking about those…
spring briar
Anyways I’m pretty sure it’s a harveyized plate
spiral cedar
Would make sense given the time period
spring briar
It does look somewhat like they slapped some plates together
spiral cedar
Which is why I figured compound initially
Harvey method only gives a face of like 1.25” deep
spring briar
The plates all seem to have very similar brittle grain structure
It might be mild steel tested in the russian cold
spiral cedar
spring briar
spiral cedar
The shells look barely longer than the plates are thick
Which is 
Maybe it’s just perspective
rapid junco
@spring briar 
spiral cedar
But
spiral cedar
Would make more sense
spring briar
Museum made due
spiral cedar
City battleships have 305s
Museums make do
spiral cedar
Why is the center one ribbed
rapid junco
Alongside the breech
There's two 305mm shells here on the Naval Museum
spring briar
Why is the center one ribbed
It’s an older style shell from before 1870 I think
It’s an early form of rifling
spring briar
The French used similar shells during the Franco-Prussian war
spiral cedar
For a better experience when sliding into your ship’s barrel
spring briar
The Prussians used a lead jacket shell
spiral cedar
Well, protection is important
delicate beacon
spring briar
The lead jacket
Like half an inch?
spiral cedar
Sounds like a lot of material
spiral cedar
Decorative art shell lol
spring briar
These are examples of contemporary French shells
spring briar
Where did your shell fetish came from
Ballistics is my passion
Cause no wonder how good a ship
That one shell is always the great equaliser
maiden citrus
shells effect everything about ships as it's a design area often overlooked but can mostly make or break a gun
spring briar
No matter how good your ship
If the shells suck
Your ship sucks
Luckily those can get fixed
Lead
Lead
Lead
maiden citrus
good or bad shells heavily effect armor as well as guns yeh
spring briar
Shells are also aesthetic objects
exotic scarab
so was reading about the sons of tuireann,and how believeable is it for pre-roman irish to make it to both greece and the persian empire
assuming they sailed to greece
chilly osprey
Celtic tribes, or, rather, Gauls, did invade Greece in the 3rd century BCE, and some got as far as central Anatolia (where they settled down and became the Galatians). But, these are quite different groups to those living in Ireland. And it's not really clear how 'celtic' Ireland's population actually was at the time in the first place...
exotic scarab
whether or not their celtic doesnt matter in this case
what matters is if it is possible with the iron age ships to use them to get from ireland to greece
spring briar
It’s very possible
spring briar
just gotta be lucky in terms of storms
spiral cedar
If the Lexington and Saratoga survived Pearl Harbor, they would have immediately offered the USN a capability that it did not have until mid-1942, and in some sense not until late 1943; a fast battleship that could provide high-speed carrier escort in engagements across the Pacific. The Lexingtons might have seen duty at Coral Sea, Midway, and the Doolittle Raid, offering anti-aircraft and anti-surface protection for USN carriers. In late 1942 they could have operated as the core of cruiser divisions in the Guadalcanal campaign.
What is this erasure
NC/SD discrimination
spring briar
TNI I see...
spring briar
dapper parcel
USN already wary of committing the already "expensive" heavy cruisers during Guadalcanal and this guy propose to field a damn Battlecruiser?
maiden citrus
tni moment, they had plenty of ships to commit if it had come down to it
fierce sparrow
Its always the TNI moment...
spiral cedar
I’m just trying to imagine poor Fletcher juggling his oil-guzzling carriers and destroyers at Coral Sea while CINCPAC tries to convince him to carry a damn battlecruiser along
Or who knows, maybe Fletcher can use a CC as a dairy cow
I’d be unsurprised if using a CC as a high-speed tanker turns out to be more useful in 1942 than as a surface combatant
Keep the DDs topped up
maiden citrus
'hm, yeah I don't want to bring along the oil efficient standards, but you know what I should bring? a gas guzzling huge fast ship'
eternal veldt
This also wipes out credit of Lexington and Saratoga's air group during Coral Sea and Midway
Especially since VT-3 and VB-3 were both augmenting Yorktown's airgroup after the beating she got from Coral Sea
TNI strikes again
Also, if I am reading correctly, this is literally leading into "a big ship with lots of (mediocre, sorry Maka, they didnt fix the 1.1"at the end) AA is better than CAP"
spring briar
Silver is a tsun
eternal veldt
spring briar
see
eternal veldt
You can't just call me something and refuse to elaborate 
spring briar
but I can
eternal veldt
spring briar
alpine onyx
That article assumes that Lexington class #3 and 4 become CVs, and that every other navy will ignore them building two modern BCs, instead of going the same way with the Japanese and granting them Amagi and Tosa
silver crest
i heard that at the battle of tsushima, yamamoto lost two fingers, had he lost more he would be unfit to serve the navy
man, imagine ww2 japan without yamamoto
spring briar
eternal veldt
That article assumes that Lexington class #3 and 4 become CVs, and that every ot...
Brits build G3s, France decides to do the 37,500 tonners
let's go 
spring briar
if the Brits build the G3's
and the US the Lexingtons
The French might as well incorporate the 450mm
anyways
fun facts
"Baton rouge"
(red stick in french)
is a reference to the red stick with fishheads on it that was found by french explorer Iberville when exploring the Mississippi river
it was a territorial marker from two indian tribes
fierce sparrow
stable ermine
what's TNI?
exotic scarab
maiden citrus
They did fix the 1.1” really though, but yeah this sounds really memey
maiden citrus
"Baton rouge"
(red stick in french)
is a reference to the red stick with fishhea...
Fraunch my beloved
ivory ridge
what's TNI?
The National Interest
NCD calls it "The buzzfeed of the defense industry"
shrewd pecan
If I remember correctly TNI was established by a think tank originally created by Richard Nixon
manic latch
Such a fuckable plane
Shame the tigercat prevented her getting much numbers for naval variant
Colonel Winston Kratz, director of night fighter training in the USAAF, had organized a similar competition earlier. He said of the results:
I'm absolutely sure to this day that the British were lying like troopers. I honestly believe the P-61 was not as fast as the Mosquito, which the British needed because by that time it was the one airplane that could get into Berlin and back without getting shot down. I doubt very seriously that the others knew better. But come what may, the '61 was a good night fighter. In the combat game you've got to be pretty realistic about these things. The P-61 was not a superior night fighter. It was not a poor night fighter. It was a good night fighter. It did not have enough speed
rapid junco
@ivory ridge 
ivory ridge
rapid junco
Fun fact
Parts of the 3 submarines (after their retirement) were used as foundations for the pillars of the Naval School's Longboat Bridge at Villegagnon Island.
fervent bobcat
they never say his name but its dirle
ivory ridge
I need a hug now
spring briar
they never say his name but its dirle
yeah ik
worst thing is
it was probably worse irl
fervent bobcat
bro it didn't even scratch the surface of how evil the dirlewanger brigade was
literally so evil that other ss regiments would send it into suicide missions hoping they would die
jovial elm
I present to you all...
The ugliest aircraft in history
fervent bobcat
but its still a good movie
jovial elm
Bah, all they did was mass murder literal toddlers
spring briar
jovial elm
What movie btw?
jovial elm
Interesting concept
Arent a large number of the dirle brigades actions questioned
Ie, it may be other ss/Wehrmacht units commiting them and passing the blame on post war
fervent bobcat
Arent a large number of the dirle brigades actions questioned
thats just every nazi war crime in general
dirle had a unique way of doing them
spring briar
I don't think the point of the movie is to point out who did what
fervent bobcat
massacres among the ss weren't uncommon in the slightest, but the way the brigade did it was extra detestable
fervent bobcat
I don't think the point of the movie is to point out who did what
Yeah at no point do they ever clarify its Dirle
you dont even see the crossed grenades
jovial elm
I don't think the point of the movie is to point out who did what
I get that
spring briar
hell, they only really do a mass burning
that happened so many times
fervent bobcat
but its obvious they're supposed to be the dirlewanger brigade because they behave in the exact same way
To them it was like a game
tough quail
well
fervent bobcat
the excessive waste of ammo and cheering wasn't fake either
they were just that depraved
tough quail
the only thing that really matters is that dirlewanger the guy probably got beaten to death by the polish/french
so all's well
jovial elm
Yes
fervent bobcat
his death was never confirmed
all thats known is that he died
but no one knows how
most common story was that a group of Polish partisans found him and killed him by beating him in with the ends of their rifles
jovial elm
Given the number of Nazis who were thought dead but then turned up years later it is possible
spring briar
he got off easy in any case
tough quail
simplest answer is usually the correct one, and given the location
probably beaten to death by the polish and/or french
fervent bobcat
he got off easy in any case
Well, being beaten to death isnt a nice way to go. You're normally conscious up until the death blow is dealt
so he got what he deserved
tough quail
spring briar
dying of internal bleeding is still better than what the average citizen of Ukraine got to experience in 1941
fervent bobcat
I mean yeah but he still got a gruesome death
jovial elm
Question is: who got shafted harder, Ukraine or Poland
fervent bobcat
other alternative is to set him on fire and watch him burn
fervent bobcat
Question is: who got shafted harder, Ukraine or Poland
Poland 100%
jovial elm
other alternative is to set him on fire and watch him burn
Fire doesn't hurt
fervent bobcat
Poland got shafted so hard even the ukrainians killed them
jovial elm
That is true
spring briar
Poland got invaded from two sides
so they got to experience both german and soviet warcrimes
truly fucked
jovial elm
Poland got shafted so hard even the ukrainians killed them
Then you have whatever the fuck was going on in the balkens
tough quail
that said
fervent bobcat
Poland got invaded from two sides
so they got to experience both german and sovi...
their reward for winning: soviet puppet
and 6 million dead
tough quail
ukraine also got the tug and war of barbarossa into bagration
fervent bobcat
tough quail
the bulk of the protracted fighting was there
jovial elm
Poland got invaded from two sides
so they got to experience both german and sovi...
So did Ukraine tbf
spring briar
tough quail
which isnt great
spring briar
I'm not gonna sit here and compare atrocities lol
fervent bobcat
shoutout to the soviets for purposely stalling attacks so that way the Germans could kill more Poles
jovial elm
shoutout to the soviets for purposely stalling attacks so that way the Germans c...
Warsaw
spring briar
shoutout to soviets deliberately killing scholars, writers, poets and doctors to wipe out polish culture and intellectuals
fervent bobcat
but dont get me wrong as evil as the Soviets were, Germany was the worst of the two
for sure
jovial elm
It isn't about comparison, it is more about pointing out the forgotten suffering of Ukraine under the soviets and Nazis
jovial elm
but dont get me wrong as evil as the Soviets were, Germany was the worst of the ...
110% agreed
fervent bobcat
inb4 
jovial elm
😢
spring briar
can't wait to have a German destroyer give me a ping about bad language or smth
oh boy
fervent bobcat
Siding with the Soviets was simply picking the lesser (way lesser) of two evils
fervent bobcat
I got warned for posting richie eating a lemon
jovial elm
can't wait to have a German destroyer give me a ping about bad language or smth ...
Lulz
humble mulch
jovial elm
Tbf, Nazis wouldn't have been as successful as they were without the soviets
fervent bobcat
it was a "meme" so I got warned
desert agate
dying of internal bleeding is still better than what the average citizen of Ukra...
KL is typing
rapid junco
I got warned for posting richie eating a lemon
My only warn was because i posted a meme that wasn't that safe
spring briar
oh noh
rapid junco
humble mulch
laughs in no warns
humble mulch
Anyways both are like
Still bad
No point in making it a dick measuring contest
jovial elm
Let's talk about something less controversial
fervent bobcat
jovial elm
Sherman > T34
spring briar
can we please not
spiral cedar
StuG III > Tiger I
humble mulch
Like don't see me trying to flex the bad shit Romanian was doing
jovial elm
😂
spring briar
tea
fervent bobcat
Only reason Shermans were called deathtraps was because the people in them could actually survive and talk about it
t-34 and panther crew just fucking d i e d
no witness!
spring briar
let's talk about Romania in 1916-1917
jovial elm
T34 cost more to make than Sherman
spring briar
Romania is always poggers
we don't talk about that time though