history

[tough quail]

b

but you cant just wait

[shrewd pecan]

it doesn't make sense to go from a Leopard 2A7 to a K-2

[tough quail]

two decades

and then make a tank appear out of thin air

there's a dramatically long procurement process

[shrewd pecan]

not arguing against continuing to develop tanks

[midnight ore]

poland just does it's own thing

[tough quail]

aaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[midnight ore]

god bless em

[shrewd pecan]

but like KF51 just doesn't seem that attractive a option unless its a massive jump for your current tank fleet

[midnight ore]

maybe, but it has a lot more room to grow than a 2a7

and if you don't have tanks

why not

[shrewd pecan]

if you don't have tanks then go for it

if you have current gen tanks

there's no point

[midnight ore]

speaking of which

the estonian goverment in the 90's missed out on buying leo 2a4's for like 100k a piece

"the terrain isn't suited for tanks here" they argued

oh what could have been

[shrewd pecan]

think my main example earlier

is how the K-2 made sense procurement wise since Korea was going from K-1s and M48s

and how a lot of the potential K-2 customers are going from older gen tanks

such as bog standard 2A4s in the case of Norway

or M60s/Leopard 1s for Turkey

[midnight ore]

well i think by the time those newer gen tanks reach production capability, those older systems are gonna need to be replaced anyway

[shrewd pecan]

idk new gen tanks need time to mature

and current gen tanks actually need to reach their limit

since the issue is for example if you want to save 10 tons on a abrams

all you really need to do is just develop a new turret for it

[midnight ore]

it's well over 20t with all the APS shit

we saw that earlier

[shrewd pecan]

even with trophy

its still only 67-68 tons

the british were reliably operating 75 ton tanks without transmission upgrades

[tough quail]

no

it's 74 tonnes

[shrewd pecan]

?????

trophy only adds a ton of weight

[tough quail]

lolno

jsut

no

[midnight ore]

isn't 85 short tons like 74t?

[shrewd pecan]

horse

[midnight ore]

it's very heavy

[tough quail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515583624083406848/987801708816130118/unknown.png

[shrewd pecan]

the heaviest trophy system

only weighs 0.84 tons

[tough quail]

81.4 short tons is about 73.8 tonnes

[midnight ore]

that's a chonker

[tough quail]

yeah

[shrewd pecan]

FP kits

[desert agate]

God I hate tanks

[midnight ore]

they're loud

[shrewd pecan]

APS isn't the main weight adder

[midnight ore]

rough

[shrewd pecan]

its the fucking FP kits

[midnight ore]

and they get everywhere

[desert agate]

Planes are somehow less toxic half the time honestly

Until you bring up the A-10

[midnight ore]

that's because there's a clear best plane

[desert agate]

F-111 yeah

[shrewd pecan]

I think once I tried defending the A-10 by saying it was a decent bomb truck but needed to be retired

[desert agate]

Vark Vark vark

[shrewd pecan]

and got argued against

[desert agate]

Deserved

[midnight ore]

rightfully

[shrewd pecan]

👁️ I still shitted on it quite a bit in that argument

since the GAU-8 and the obsession with it was just dumb

[desert agate]

Nuance is for losers fuck you tato

[shrewd pecan]

I don't really know why that argument is so die hard for both sides

I made the point repeatedly in that argument about how the GAU-8 was basically useless beyond morale purposes

[desert agate]

Anyway single seater is

[shrewd pecan]

but defended the platform as a hole since it was a decent and affordable bomb truck

overall thing's days are over and it still needs to be phased out for more multiroles

but it did have its niche with good loiter times, affordable operating costs and good bomb loads

👁️ regarding M1A2C thing would only be 67 tons with the APS

the main weight adder is the side ERA kits

and considering the side era kits are that heavy

a combat ready next gen MBT is relatively still gonna be in the same weight class with addon armor added

[midnight ore]

sounds like a newer tank with integrated features and APS could save you 10-15t there

[shrewd pecan]

I mean a 59 ton tank with the FP kits would still be a 66 ton tank when combat ready

[midnight ore]

we're talking in circles

[shrewd pecan]

you aren't shaving down the weight of the FP kits regardless

[midnight ore]

i'll say it one more time:
the newer gen tanks that are currently being demo'd or in development have the same, if not better features than the current gen ones, weigh 10-20t less and have much more room to grow

do you get my point

[shrewd pecan]

I still don't think

any next gen tank is gonna shave off 20 tons

[midnight ore]

for comparable features i think it's entirely possible

[shrewd pecan]

to maintain same protection levels no

[midnight ore]

if they end up weighing the same they'll just have more features

[shrewd pecan]

most possible would be 10

[strong plank]

unless that 4th crewmember was really heavy

[midnight ore]

might be a concern in the US

[shrewd pecan]

I mean a new turret certainly can shave off a decent amount of weight

but I think regardless if your gonna bring up the combat weight argument especially with the up armor kits

you're still gonna end up with a 62-66 ton tank

[midnight ore]

then it'll be a 66t tank with more features and stuff

than the current 66t tank

well >70t in some cases already

[shrewd pecan]

it would still relatively be in the same weight class regardless

6 tons isn't really much of a difference

[midnight ore]

74t

vs 59 - 60-something t

for the same or better features

[shrewd pecan]

a next gen tank is still gonna be about 64-66 tons if you throw on the up armor kits

M1A2C is only 70 tons when you throw on the uparmor kits

[midnight ore]

ok

alright

i can't be bothered with this debate anymore

we're saying the same things for the last 30 minutes

[spring briar]

so uhhh

tank talk?

[ivory ridge]

tanks bad, wheeled TDs good

[spring briar]

uhh

[shrewd pecan]

idk something something Leclerc is clearly the superior platform, breakaway from KMW imperialism

[spring briar]

uhh

what are you talking about

[ivory ridge]

yes

[shrewd pecan]

tanks for the last 2 hours

that then devolved into a discussion about max combat weights when you put the heaviest possible armor package on the tank

[spring briar]

and what about Leclerc

or was that just because I showed up

[shrewd pecan]

idk its cool and French

[spring briar]

True

but

rifled musket ball

[shrewd pecan]

120 MM rifle musket balls

[spring briar]

120mm lead shot sounds evil

120 mm minie ball time?

[delicate beacon]

120mm gas shells

[shrewd pecan]

120 MM willy pete (only the Italians can utilize it due to ammo storage requirements)

[ivory ridge]

the what

[shrewd pecan]

Ariete is like the only modern MBT

with vertical ammo storage

[maiden citrus]

one person on their twitter did, kinda surprising they made a video for that

doesn't take a genius to know iowa would shit on qe if us bbs 30 years older can

[maiden citrus]

I mean in the end we're talking about tanks that don't get blown up by 30mm on video, so I'm not sure what the point is besides to try to force some weird viewpoint to wank 'this tank that's wildly more capable than others and has its own support because even lighter, less capable and older ones bog down anyway, is marginally heavier, so it's bad'

[shrewd pecan]

my entire argument at the time was that the GAU-8 was overrated and didn't serve any purpose beyond morale

[spring briar]

he just ended up talking about the history of the QE class
it was weird and unnecessary

[maiden citrus]

I more meant the tank argument, though it seems the a10 definetly had more merit for those in the real big know then most thought

[shrewd pecan]

argument devolved from like

[ivory ridge]

it's just like

every other of his videos

the iowa thing is just an "excuse" to post it on the channel

[shrewd pecan]

me noting that the next gen tanks coming out in the next few years are kinda pointless if you already have current gens

[ivory ridge]

it's like

"here is the history and technical specs of these ships"

mf did one with the fucking dlands

[ivory ridge]

"oh and yeah they would get mauled, the end"

[spring briar]

ik, it's just... endless copying

youtube moment

[ivory ridge]

it's reading wikipedia for 5 minutes and then say Iowa good for views

yes

[maiden citrus]

yeah, some people maintain their vehicles and they're good units, which I know shocks some

[spring briar]

Iowa better than QE omfg

🔴

[maiden citrus]

such surprise

[spring briar]

⬆️

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-nawh-no-way-fr-gif-22615915

[strong plank]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[spring briar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/864461593004605440/961690213548191814/D33850C4-61F2-45A7-B0EB-745D83D95248.gif

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/493859460599644160/982567181483118612/caption-80.gif

[spring briar]

next episode

[strong plank]

[spring briar]

Iowa vs HMS Dreadnought

[maiden citrus]

who would win????

[spring briar]

next episode
Iowa vs Georgios Averof

[ivory ridge]

Dreadnought rams Iowa and dies

[spring briar]

(Georgios would win)

[maiden citrus]

oh my god it's south carolina with a steel chair

[ivory ridge]

So true bestie

[strong plank]

dreadnought leaps from the water and smashes into iowa's superstructure

[spring briar]

me in a bathtub vs Iowa

[maiden citrus]

I guess it makes sense in the way that really stupid people do comment stuff like that on their twitter posts and their audience is tiny

[spring briar]

and then there's the people in the comments

https://tenor.com/view/void-hollow-hollow-face-cursed-cry-about-it-gif-22118456

[strong plank]

guess it sorta makes sense given the audience is like

average people who want to learn more

[spring briar]

actually the QE vs Iowa vid isn't even the worst

there's a Deutschland vs Iowa video

[maiden citrus]

that's what I mean, there was only one comment on the post and it was like 'I think warspite could take iowa' brainlet bait

but if that's your only audience engagement, what do you do

[strong plank]

"would what killed [x] kill an Iowa?"

[spring briar]

i mean, that's pretty much yt nowadays

[ivory ridge]

"in a fight right?"

[spring briar]

ryan's best videos is when he goes in depth to some system of the iowas

[manic latch]

Ryan is me if Soyuz existed and was popular

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749483175012466721/987497322634166383/qnmiley.gif

[spring briar]

I don’t think Ryan wants to mate with NJ

[manic latch]

He is weak

[spring briar]

But he has been inside NJ’s bulges

[midnight ore]

damn, that's useful

yoink

[spring briar]

It’s so sad Soyuz died of ligma

[manic latch]

Not gonna fall for that

[ivory ridge]

who's soyuz

[spring briar]

Ligma balls

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-manhattan-disintegrated-rorschach-watchman-gif-18353996

[ivory ridge]

so true

[spring briar]

Me when
When Petrograd falls

[manic latch]

Nah Leningrad stays strong

M1A7 Sep V7 Abrams in 2300 according to Tato

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

lil chonkee

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

It’s either 3 or 5

[shrewd pecan]

Sorry that’s the merkava abrams

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

I really love the focus on new lights on next gen tanks

Gives futuristic feeling

[maiden citrus]

blind the enemy

[shrewd pecan]

LED headlights

[spring briar]

LED for less heat signature

Anyways

[maiden citrus]

nah, needs lights with such a huge heat signature it blinds sensors

[dusty kraken]

We should apply that principle to aircraft

Give off a radar signature so large as a small aircraft that the missile is likely to miss

[maiden citrus]

'we can't lock onto the enemy tank'
'why'
'it's an ir blob the size of a building'

[maiden citrus]

missile misses by 150 feet, reports that it hit the locked on target

no rollback code

[shrewd pecan]

needs a giant infrared decoy as well

that way they don’t get you with a dual seeker

[ivory ridge]

gaming

still dont know why the fuck the 44

[ivory ridge]

that's supposed to be like

bridge weight clearance or something

[shrewd pecan]

LGBT pride gamer centauro

[ivory ridge]

the first B1 has 25

the first B2 we've seen had 32

why the hell is this 44

[spring briar]

Probably the exhibit number for the catalogue of the building

[ivory ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/708138174853021797/958376002457833523/fumb-1.gif

[spring briar]

Not even kidding

[maiden citrus]

it has 44 glow zones for maximum gaming customization

[ivory ridge]

reminder that the controls inside are literally gamepads

[maiden citrus]

they better be razor brand

so then you can sync the external glow zones to the keypad with razer synapse software

[spring briar]

Safest museum exhibit

[midnight ore]

i mean the KF 51's inside also looks a bit like a gamer station

seems to be a trend

[dusty kraken]

They're going to recruit gamers to operate armored vehicles duh

[spring briar]

That’s to give the soldiers a sense of pride and accomplishment when their intestines are splattered all over the inside danny

[maiden citrus]

the most dangerous dildo

[spring briar]

Comfyyy

[maiden citrus]

yeah not bad

[shrewd pecan]

shame

are there no images out there of the K-2s gunner and commander stations

[manic latch]

Where 28

[maiden citrus]

commander station

[dusty kraken]

Bro what's the price of this PC build

[shrewd pecan]

ah here we go

[spring briar]

10 quid

[ivory ridge]

i think this is a 120?

[manic latch]

Yes

[spring briar]

Is there a weather radar?

[shrewd pecan]

probably knowing the K-2

[manic latch]

Altay costing 13 million $

So expecting gamer setup from her as well

A thing of next gen tanks I guess

[shrewd pecan]

nature of fully digital controls

[spring briar]

Who needs tanks when you can use a smoothbore musket

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/dentist-gif-20694033

[spring briar]

Wrong ancestor…

It should be the Renault FT

[manic latch]

https://youtu.be/kCEUZ4rFiac

[dusty kraken]

Imagine if the world didnt move beyond muskets and kept making them better

[spring briar]

Why krem

[ivory ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOcCqm5UwAc
not even sure i can share this but whatever

[spring briar]

Yes

:dunlove:

Fuck

[maiden citrus]

true first tank

[spring briar]

Smol cutie

[shrewd pecan]

anyone have the image of the FT-17 with the super pissed off driver

[shrewd pecan]

FT-17 in question was stuck in the mud

[spring briar]

F

Hi undy

[desert agate]

accurate footage of Russian airpower

[spring briar]

They don’t need the new cv’s with this amount if firepower

[shrewd pecan]

👁️ kremlin you probably don't want to post that

[ivory ridge]

the video isnt loading but just from the thumbnail i know what it is

[spring briar]

I’m sorry

[maiden citrus]

but it's socially in line with the mods

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/858825164313854012/987835209129033738/20220619_044338.jpg

[shrewd pecan]

eh I wouldn't risk it

[midnight ore]

PM it to me Kremlin i think i havent seen it

[shrewd pecan]

it was that one Chinese propagandist twitter

[maiden citrus]

it was just unfunny chinese bs lol

[manic latch]

Zhang Yong

[shrewd pecan]

and a bunch of his tweets calling for war against the US and Japan

[desert agate]

based

[manic latch]

You surely know him

[maiden citrus]

I have no idea who that is

nor care

[manic latch]

Full video is gold

[spring briar]

shoots kremlin with a model 1777 musket

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-solid-gif-24704841

[maiden citrus]

kremlin when soyuz is teased at all

[tough quail]

i keep trying to tell kremlin that we'll get soyuz when she ISNT teased

she's just going to be in the middle of an IJN event

for some reason

[shrewd pecan]

completely unrelated to the event

she's jsut there

[ivory ridge]

in the middle of an italian event as the best ship while the rest are crap*

[strong plank]

Kremlin when the new event mentions snow (guys its clearly a reference to NP and if they're mentioning NP they're clearly hinting to soyuz like theres no other reason they would right guys)

[tough quail]

i actively avoided this one but im glad you picked up my cowardice

[ivory ridge]

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Krem

Soyuz

4 ever

Am I invite marriage?

[strong plank]

I saw krem and my brain just went 'kremencau"

[manic latch]

Yes

[tough quail]

is that the richy-kremlin ship name

[manic latch]

Tease more

[spring briar]

My brain just went “birkenau” when reading that

[manic latch]

When Soyuz oath skin

[spring briar]

Me when I get transported back in time to the Transcaucasian region in 1917

Maybe I should find a new vid

I want to know who the french bote will be

[manic latch]

Random destroyer

[spring briar]

A new Vauquelin

[ivory ridge]

Le Fantasque

as gold bote

[spring briar]

Lamotte piquet ssr

Thai slayer

[delicate beacon]

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/nevesbus-projects.36550/post-538187

[spring briar]

me being belgian too

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-dance-skeletons-dancing-cool-gif-12587740

[midnight ore]

you're an exception obviously

[spring briar]

I’m exceptionally depressed

[midnight ore]

take your meds

or work out idk

[spring briar]

How about we talk about how you feel today danny

[manic latch]

Injects him with Soyuz's drydock water

[midnight ore]

i'm feeling very fine

[spring briar]

That’s good

[midnight ore]

just had a sauna

[spring briar]

I’m glad you’re fine

Oooh

I have a sauna too

Our house was previously owned by a Finish couple

[midnight ore]

i feel pity for people who don't have a personal sauna

[spring briar]

Yep

[maiden citrus]

I have a lake

[midnight ore]

that explains it

[spring briar]

It really helps thicken the skin

Gotta handle the heat

[midnight ore]

though

once i made the mistake of going into a sauna right after i ran for 15km

[maiden citrus]

party at my house

[midnight ore]

that wasn't so good

[spring briar]

Oof

Did you black out?

[midnight ore]

nearly

[spring briar]

Hotdog time

Oof

[midnight ore]

i had to sit in the shower for 10 minutes

lesson learned

[spring briar]

I should get a banja hat

[maiden citrus]

we can grill on the dock, then swim in the cove

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

honestly I don't like saunas that much as I am a pretty cold person

[spring briar]

Singing sweet home alabama

[maiden citrus]

they make me really hot really fast

[spring briar]

All summer long

[midnight ore]

you don't say?

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

But maka your heart is soft and warm

[maiden citrus]

I start itching and stuff after just a few minutes

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Well the thing with a sauna is you gotta endure

[maiden citrus]

I try my best richee

[spring briar]

Afterwards the good feels come

[maiden citrus]

eh, I can't do hot tubs either

[midnight ore]

we had a sauna at my military base too when i was there but it was always either 70 degrees or 120

no inbetween

[spring briar]

Bruh

120 is but some idiot pours some water on the stones

https://tenor.com/view/beaker-hit-steam-ears-gif-9589476

[midnight ore]

bro if you get a large enough group together there's always those few guys who sit there for like an hour

at 120

idk what's with them

it just always happens

[maiden citrus]

I'd check it out then nope out

[spring briar]

They are just destroying brain cells at that point

Like seriously

[midnight ore]

it was always like 2 skinny russians and one fat estonian

just sitting there

for like an hour

weird people

[spring briar]

Cooking

[manic latch]

Good ol Banya culture

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/smeshno-lol-prikol-banya-mujiki-gif-5081414

[manic latch]

Eating hotdog with Soyuz

[spring briar]

Borscht

Or

[midnight ore]

well one time someone there had the bright idea to pour kvass on the rocks

[spring briar]

Soyuz’s borscht

[midnight ore]

fucking

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/tear-gas-nine-nine-brooklyn-nine-gas-poison-gas-gif-16676902

[shrewd pecan]

going by the trend with the Soyuz's she isn't gonna be the one eating the hotdog 👁️

[midnight ore]

you couldn't even go near there man

[spring briar]

My man re-invented mustard gas

[manic latch]

[maiden citrus]

I will cook enough hot dogs for everyone, dw

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

If Soyuz had a hotdog

[midnight ore]

hey man, i met a lot of "interesting" people there

[spring briar]

Would krem eat it

[manic latch]

Yes

[midnight ore]

like the dude who tried to smoke near the 5000t fuel truck i was setting up in the camp

[spring briar]

Wheeze

[midnight ore]

i mean it was diesel but still

[spring briar]

Diesel is still flammable

[midnight ore]

i nearly clubbed him with my rifle

fucker

[spring briar]

Especially when it’s a truck that has to be loaded from the top

Since the gas floats ontop

[shrewd pecan]

Estonian army eh?

[midnight ore]

well i am an able bodied adult male

so i have to go through conscription

[shrewd pecan]

guessing they brought back conscription yeah

[midnight ore]

it never left

[spring briar]

Danny

[shrewd pecan]

fair

[ivory ridge]

Article 5

[spring briar]

Is it true that if you point at a rainbow in estonia, your finger will fall off?

[desert agate]

[midnight ore]

did you read something stupid on the internet again

[shrewd pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/nato-flag-gif-20870371

[spring briar]

[midnight ore]

what the fuck are talking about man

[spring briar]

Idfk

[midnight ore]

i havent heard that one before

lmao

[spring briar]

Ayo why people spamming nato

[manic latch]

Nacho

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/nato-my-beloved-nato-my-beloved-gif-24121933

[shrewd pecan]

where did you get that emoji from?

[desert agate]

SWS

i stole it from unde posted it there they made it an emote

[shrewd pecan]

interesting

hell yeah

[midnight ore]

well i might talk about all the weird happenings there, but it wasnt really that bad

it's pretty progressive even

[spring briar]

SWS means what?

[midnight ore]

somewhat

[desert agate]

shit wehraboos say

[spring briar]

Right

[delicate beacon]

Schwere Wehrmachtschlepper.

[manic latch]

You know. Danny being Estonian makes lot of sense now

[midnight ore]

elaborate please

[manic latch]

Can't

[midnight ore]

ahhh

i get ya

[ivory ridge]

[midnight ore]

[spring briar]

Based 1917 moment

[maiden citrus]

natot dog, beef is non negotiable

[shrewd pecan]

NATO hotdogs

[manic latch]

[ivory ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/858825164313854012/957602375667965952/277169912_499608374901810_9175858079027745455_n.mp4

[midnight ore]

bro

[spring briar]

Hey Krem
450 mm

[desert agate]

please can we not be borderline racist to russians here

i know were all upset about [current event]

[midnight ore]

???

[maiden citrus]

who is being racist

[ivory ridge]

i can be less borderline if you want

[delicate beacon]

*goes Wargaming* This is now 457mm.

[desert agate]

come on unde at least do it in the lore server

[midnight ore]

ok but really, who are you referring to?

[desert agate]

unde

[manic latch]

[maiden citrus]

there needs to be a shit tankies say server to equate to sws

[midnight ore]

ohh

[midnight ore]

i didn't check that gif

lmao

[desert agate]

sws is also anti tankie

so

it applies to fuckwith revisionists of all colours

[manic latch]

Shit freedomaboos say

[spring briar]

Shit ouiaboos say

Oh wait

That’s impossible

[delicate beacon]

Shit weeraboos say

[shrewd pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/646507435628167200/979886572151390208/amongers.gif

[maiden citrus]

ouiaboos can only say wee wee

[midnight ore]

that's just every post you make

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Twitter

[desert agate]

shit your mum says

[ivory ridge]

Shit your murm says

[maiden citrus]

not the same branding though, it needs its own

[spring briar]

Freeaboos

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Average holywood movie

[midnight ore]

Problem?

[shrewd pecan]

simply can't accept the superior nation

[desert agate]

me stealing all riches memes

[spring briar]

USS Johnston getting the nobel peace prize

Nooo

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[maiden citrus]

I immediately stole the unde one because it will be useful

[spring briar]

Lasagna is just geologic layers but with pasta

[spiral cedar]

Why are y'all like this

[desert agate]

no one cares about strayaboos

until i make them care

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Undef

[maiden citrus]

'dude my roo is so rad'

[desert agate]

we dont have daddy jaba to take care of us

[ivory ridge]

So true

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Where is Soyuz

[spiral cedar]

Jabaless behavior

[desert agate]

yeah mate skips gone walkabout shes a fuckin sick cunt aye

[strong plank]

Jabaless Reincarnation

[shrewd pecan]

the wisdom of Jaba

[midnight ore]

maybe god is just an italian cook who baked a big ball of lasagna

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https://tenor.com/view/lasagna-pasta-italian-food-dinner-food-gif-18166425

[maiden citrus]

that klangahroo is bonza Fahkin' fair dinkum cobber

chokes

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[manic latch]

That's not lasagna

[spiral cedar]

Wait

Made ALO-safe

[maiden citrus]

I was memeing with another australian friend at one point

[shrewd pecan]

[maiden citrus]

and they wre like wait you know the word cobber

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vliegdekschip

[spring briar]

Vliegtuig drager

[desert agate]

cobber is kinda old timey

and more rural

[maiden citrus]

I am rural

it translates as intended

[desert agate]

i use it sometimes when im fucking about

[delicate beacon]

did you mean
vliegdekschip
vliegkampschip
vliegdekkampschip
vliegschip
vliegtuigschip
vliegtuigmoederschip
vliegtuigdrager

[midnight ore]

deepest lore

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Dead Space

Literal Brethren Moon

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Bloodmoon

[spring briar]

Conrad von Hotzendorf’s plan with Serbia leaked???

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https://tenor.com/view/mass-effect-the-reapers-chaotic-destruction-gif-12242566

[maiden citrus]

but how many hot dogs could you make with a meatball that size

[spring briar]

7.88 billion x hot dogs needed to make an average human

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7.68 billion X 68kg divided by meat needed for single hotdog

[spring briar]

45 grams per hot dog

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45?

Who you scamming

[maiden citrus]

average hot dog is 57

[spring briar]

So about 1k hot dogs per person

So 7.8 trillion hot dogs

[maiden citrus]

yeah 62,006 grams per person, 57 makes a hot dog

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https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-eat-donut-donut-machine-gif-3571204

Maka

[maiden citrus]

so 1,088 rounded

x 7.68 billion

[spring briar]

7.68 trillion hot dogs

Time to eat

[maiden citrus]

I suppose that may fill me for the day

[spring briar]

Ok so speaking of hot dogs

I was looking into Crimea war (1853-1856) musket wounds

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

I’m quite impressed at some of the reconstructive facial surgery of the time

Especially by the 1870’s

[maiden citrus]

yeah, it's interesting how people kinda knew what they were doing even super far back in history

[spring briar]

Still dunno if I’d rather get hit by a minie ball or a modern rifle round tho

[maiden citrus]

like it hits a bit different knowing even ww2 ships are made by a bunch of people doing math on paper

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Vikings?

[spiral cedar]

Definitely the former

Makes for a better story

[spring briar]

True

I suppose the lower velocity of the minie ball also helps

Although it is much better at breaking bone

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Meaning of life equation = Soyuz's math formulas for her hull

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Triple screw hull

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Sang.
Why are you ironblood

[maiden citrus]

he has forsaken copper blood

[spring briar]

[delicate beacon]

I am blending in with the commonfolk.

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

Small pumpkin

[maiden citrus]

well you're still invited to dinner parties

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

since everyone is

pumpkin child

[spring briar]

Yus

[maiden citrus]

blessed dds

[spring briar]

Small cuties

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lolibotes

[maiden citrus]

rotund

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[tough quail]

man i picked a good time to dip out

lmao

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[tough quail]

japan's sky wizards out here ready to make halsey's typhoon look like a light drizzle

[maiden citrus]

sky battleship yamato

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Is yamato’s bottom sufficiently armored to take 127mm aa rounds

[delicate beacon]

No, but you have to set the fuzes right.

[spring briar]

Emile

[rapid junco]

What happened to the 2nd gun of the 2nd turret?

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Propellant exploded a little too hard

[strong plank]

Yammy astral projecting from the grave

[zealous vine]

What did the Cleveland-class have over the Brooklyn-class?

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Cruising range and secondary broadside

[eternal veldt]

The second gun was taken out during US refits for experiments and manufacturing new shells for the other French cruisers (and Richelieu).

[spiral cedar]

Tooth pulled

[eternal veldt]

The fuel contained methanol, which was causing some sailors to go blind, but this didn't deter them from imbibing the illicit rotgut.

To stop this practice, the Navy added Croton oil to the alcohol fuel, which would cause, among other painful symptoms, explosive diarrhea, often laced with blood from the intestines.

However - surprise surprise - this didn't stop the practice, as servicemen cut off from regular supplies of booze quickly became desperate and sought out spirited refreshment however they could get it - potential blindness and explosive diarrhea notwithstanding.```

What no booze does to a mf

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[eternal veldt]

(also clearly why the Mark 14 is a failure)

[zealous vine]

Dumb question: could we get a Japanese Worcester-esque Heavy Cruiser if the Tone-class were to be designed with less emphasis on reconaissance

(I.e. Retaining Mogami's aviation facility arrangement, and adding more gun considering that the Tone-class was built with less restrictions, and that they could quite add 1 more twin-turret forward of the bridge in the original design.)

[eternal veldt]

Or just be reasonable and go for 4 x 3.

[zealous vine]

Good insight..

Basically the Circle 6 Type A CA though

Thanks, found my answer

[humble mulch]

Why not

6x3

Tones got enough junk in the truck for 2 mounts back there

[zealous vine]

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Some American servicemen in the Services Club objected to Māori soldiers also using the Club, and on 3 April 1943 began stopping Māori soldiers from entering. Many New Zealand soldiers in the area, both white (Pākehā) and Māori, combined in opposition. The stand-off escalated when Americans took off their belts to attack those who wanted to let the Māori in. Fights broke out and at one point at least a thousand servicemen, as well as several hundreds of civilians, were involved in the subsequent fracas, which was broken up by civil and military police. The major brawl lasted from 6 pm to 8 pm, with some brawls lasting for perhaps another two hours. Dozens of people were injured. The fighting spread to the ANA (Army, Navy and Air Force) Club in Willis Street and to Cuba Street. At the time, hotel bars closed at 6 pm, the six o'clock swill, and inebriated patrons were then ejected into the streets.

[night heart]

am stealing this

hey guys

[spiral cedar]

gey huys

[remote monolith]

seh yuyg

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suy goyh

[spring briar]

🇹🇷

tfw you lose 1/4th of the Turkish population because your prime minister is a warmonger and an idiot

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It was better that way I think. Helped collapse of Ottomans and put Turkey into a better path

Since it made most of civilians support Ataturk instead

And well. Soviet Union was the first Major country to recognize Turkey. And one of few who supplied them during their independence war

[spring briar]

I'm not one to compare possible outcomes
but as the Ottoman empire was bound to collapse anyways, the extra people that died needlesly in the war would've rather survived instead of being thrown against the Russian army in -30°C weather with only summer uniforms

Pasha sought to use the war as a means to bring about a modern Turkey
but in doing this he put his country in a position where there wasn't only internal strife, but also combat with the entente

[desert agate]

pasha is just Turkish for mister it's more accurate to call him Kemal or Attaturk

because thats his name

and he was also not in charge of really anything significant until 1918-19

ottoman high command especially enver pasha kept kemal out of positions where he could have much influence on anything at all, especially after Gallipoli

[spring briar]

no, I'm talking about enver pasha

who used Goeben and Breslau to bomb Sebastopol to get the Ottoman empire into the war

then blaming all shortcomings of his army on the Armenians

and the rest is history

[desert agate]

ok because until 1922 Kemal was called Kemal Pasha

hence the confusion

[spring briar]

my bad

didn't know it was just a title

that being said
all in all Turkey was really lucky to have a leader like Ataturk after the war

regardless of his poor management of the Islamic population in Turkey

[desert agate]

generally its more the fault of the Germans that dragged the Ottomans into the war

by the time Enver was sending his ships to bombard the Black Sea

war was inevitable

[spring briar]

eh no no

Enver wanted the war

which side was determined mostly by the ship debacle

Britain seizing Agincourt and Erin

then Germany "gifting" Goeben and Breslau

[desert agate]

the German advisors to the Ottomans had closed the Dardanelles to all shipping after Breslau and Goeben entered the straits, mined the whole thing and cut off trade entirely without the knowledge or permission of the Ottoman government

[spring briar]

The Ottomans mined the Dardanelles right when the war commenced I'm pretty sure

[desert agate]

it was this act primarily which directly led to the Ottomans declaring war on the Entente. The ships debacle was certainly one thing but the Ottomans had not yet entirely dedicated themselves to the German cause and would not do so until the closure of the Dardanelles

they did so before the war started

[spring briar]

was it right after franz got killed?

dun remember

[desert agate]

the American ambassador visited Enver and it was the first Enver had actually heard of the closure of the straits, and he broke into tears

[spring briar]

the ship debacle was mostly an issue to the ottoman people

so the government kinda had their hands tied

Enver was certainly pro-German before the war yes

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A short time later, in Constantinople, the American Ambassador, Henry Morgenthau, requests and is granted an audience with the Grand Vizier – who leaves a Turkish Cabinet meeting at his call – only to find him a shaking wreck, barely able to get a sentence out, so terrified is he of the whole situation and what is now likely to occur.

Morgenthau’s words do not soothe him. ‘You know this means war,’ says the Ambassador.

The Grand Vizier does not faint outright, but it is likely a close-run thing.

Shortly afterwards, Cavid, the one-time financier from Salonica and now the Minister for Finance, emerges, and his first words to the American Ambassador would stay with the New York man ever after: ‘It’s all a surprise to us …’

It is extraordinary! This most important strip of water in all of Turkey, the key to the defence of the nation, the thing most likely to bring them into the war, and the Cabinet hasn’t made the decision to close it!
‘I certainly had a graphic picture,’ Morgenthau would record, ‘of the extremities to which Teutonic bullying had reduced the present rulers of the Turkish Empire. And at the same moment before my mind rose the figure of the Sultan, whose signature was essential to close legally these waters, quietly dozing at his palace, entirely oblivious of the whole transaction.'

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New boat

[spring briar]

this isn't like Belgian neutrality being violated pulling britain into the war
Enver willingly declared war

[desert agate]

he did

but he was also dragged into it

[spring briar]

his conviction was certainly aided by the Kaiser

[desert agate]

the decision to bombard the black sea was a consequence of the Germans closing the Dardanelles

whether it would have happened without the Germans closing the Dardanelles couldnt be known but everything happened so quickly

[spring briar]

I'll quote a Russian observer of the Franco-Prussian war

"Even the ox destined for slaughter seems to know in advance in which cooking vessel it will end up."

[spring briar]

the Franco-Prussian war makes me sad

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Bombing of Sevastopol is always up to bias or blame

In some books. They say Ottomans didn't wanted it and crew was all German. So it was a rogue decision

In other books. Ottomans gave the order or know it would happen

Tho Enver was Pro-German

And believed Germany would win

[spring briar]

ENver gave the order for the german crewed goeben and breslau to bomb sebastopol

[remote monolith]

this is the same Enver that ordered the disastrous Caucasian push I take it

and directly responsible for the Genocide

[spring briar]

yeas

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Would expect Fujian's globe to show Asia

[dapper parcel]

Probably just using stock art

Few of them are centered around asia

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Well I found this on Twitter. Could not be offical yet

But cute enough

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I would stare at this for hours

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https://tenor.com/view/awkward-cat-umm-orange-cat-tabby-gif-23535875

[maiden citrus]

botes

[rapid junco]

I discovered this website which have 360° tours on the Navy Cultural Space, Naval Museum (this one of the picture) and Fiscal Island

Although this didn't quenched my will of visiting the places personally

This is a breech of one of Minas Geraes' 12" guns

@spring briar Well, know you like the carrier more
But i think you may also like the Dreadnought

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@rapid junco https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/nevesbus-projects.36550/#post-538200

[rapid junco]

So
You want something from me about the 2630t DD, i guess?

[spring briar]

[rapid junco]

Few things were actually preserved from the two Dreadnoughts

But we still have some things like that
Or this (cutlery of São Paulo)

São Paulo's bell is also preserved
Which is located at the Ibirapuera park in São Paulo city

[spring briar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mentana

lolw

gotta save da pope

@tough quail first use of the Chassepot rifle

[tough quail]

Ayyyyyy

[spring briar]

barbed wire cutting attachment on the Lebel

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/desert-tumble-weed-ghost-town-gif-11132442

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5,7cm HE from 1950s

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So Richy

If you wanted your battleship to sail and serve in most comfortable way for her

What would you do

Giving you unlimited budget to increase your imagination

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Hehe boy

KF-21 may fly soon

[chilly osprey]

inb4 ROKAF raises a squadron of stealth aircraft before the VKS

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Wonder how much of it is US equipment

Engines are for sure

Lockheed Martin agreed to transfer two dozen F-35A technologies as part of a purchase deal. However, the US government blocked the transfer of four vital technologies: AESA radar, infrared search and track (IRST), Electro-Optical Targeting Pod (EO TGP), and RF Jammer technology. South Korea was thus required to develop these technologies domestically

[manic latch]

Interesting. They don't trust South enough?

[humble mulch]

Selling an aircraft with the parts is different then a license order of said parts that are then no longer under direct US watch

[shrewd pecan]

its a competitor aircraft to US platforms

on top of the extra hassles and loops for export controls

its still heavily dependent on US technologies

[edgy linden]

it's probably because of frequencie overlaps, you don't wanna have all the same tech doing the same thing,. if korean tech get's hacked or re-engineered with american then it will also be a problem for the US, so in their eyes, it's best to make it domestic but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shrewd pecan]

I wouldn't

say that exactly since the plane itself is subject to US export controls

the main issue is creating a competitor to American aircraft

along with potentially offering capabilities the United States doesn't wish to export to Indonesia and other potential customers for the platform

[summer nimbus]

anyone knows where the revolver shotgun from COD Vanguard originates from?

[shrewd pecan]

that horrid game

[shrewd pecan]

https://youtu.be/cBlx7kW9_AQ

[shrewd pecan]

Have we ever discussed here how much airborne IFVs just suck as a idea? (I don’t care if the chats dead)

in particular the earlier BMDs are a bit less bad since they have bayonet strength somewhat equivalent to other IFVs

tho they still suffer from the issues of poor armored protection and questionable deployability

[remote monolith]

speaking of airborne vehicles, does providing paratroops with extra armored vehicles ever proved to increase their performance in being dropped behind enemy lines?

I know some vehicles like the Tetrarch were eventually repurposed to give paras a measure of independent tank support

[dapper parcel]

What doctrine we're even talking about?
Ignoring that classic paradropping , in which such additional firepower might actually the most useful, being dead doctrine?

[remote monolith]

just in general, since I don't know much about para doctrines in the first place

like, universally does giving them vehicles actually helps their success rate or actually proved to be not that much of a help

https://www.techexplorist.com/dinosaurs-indeed-belly-buttons/48294/

the moment this pop up in my feed I feel a great wash of horror

[zealous vine]

Is there info on what speeds ships go in what situations? When is cruising, full, flank speed used?

[delicate beacon]

That'd be hard to figure out. Ship speed is a tricky subject. Usually the only two metrics that are used are a cruisespeed with range and a top speed which I think all ships are supposed to be able to hold for at least 8 hours.

[eager dove]

It vastly differs depending on the machinery setup of an individual ship

Trials are undertaken usually for a set time at a set speed however that isn’t really a showing of how long a ship can go at it’s top speed of absolutely required

Flank speed and top speed especially can vary widely once a ship is in service

Things like wear on the turbines and boilers, saltwater contamination in the boilers/fuel, quality of fuel, marine growth on the ships hull, health/skill of the crew on coal powered ships and many more can cause losses in overall top speed

[delicate beacon]

Then there's also sea and weather conditions.

[chilly osprey]

Displacement of the ship also has an impact

Especially as over time ships tend to exceed their designed deep load displacement, which tends to result in greater draft than first envisioned by design

Ex, a 1° Serie Soldati-class destroyer can do 37-38 knots at normal load, but at deep load this was more like 35 knots (and later in their career, 33 knots). Similarly a 36-knot JKN was closer to 32 knots at deep load, or a 36-37.5 knot Benson was more like 32-33 knots.

[alpine onyx]

The speed that the ship wants to go will usually be dependent on what you are trying to achieve, so finding some cookie cutter chart with speeds under given circumstances. Quick search through some documents only gave me one number, which is that German destroyers were to default to 9kn (low speed) when encountering thick fog (inability to make out flag or light signals beyond 600m)

But even that number was no absolute, if the commander deemed a higher speed to be necessary then he could overrule that

Some considerations to make when determining what speed works best for you:

• Am I pressured to get somewhere fast? (like German capital ships trying to break out into the Atlantic)
• How much fuel can I afford to burn?
• Do I wish for invisible smoke from my funnel? (beyond a certain point of forcing the funnel may start emitting thick black smoke)
• What is the state of my machinery and can I afford an additional strain?
• Does my ship experience vibrations at certain speeds, and if so, are those relevant to my objective?
• Does the weather force me to go above/below a certain speed?
• Do I need speed for additional maneuverability and for combat usage?
• Most of the questions above, but applied to your escorts

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Ok now I am wondering

How often warships used their max speeds

[alpine onyx]

I can only speak for the German ships I could look into the war diaries of, very rarely outside of max speed trials. Most of the time they targeted a certain speed and just kept that, even during actual combat. Cases I can confirm or safely assume (trend being that it was only done when facing an emergency):

• ZG-3/Hermes had a few moments of full power, one when trying to prevent Porto Fino from committing suicide by British aircraft and one when she was busy dodging a few dozen dive bombers
• Scharnhorst during her final engagement (assumed, but highly likely as she was trying her utmost to get the fuck out of there)
• Gneisenau during the engagement with Glorious (hard to imagine her going 31+kn at combat load otherwise)

[spring briar]

Sirene

Zündnadelgewehr

[alpine onyx]

ye?

[spring briar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snQ0G5MuvV8

beautiful rifles

[manic latch]

[alpine onyx]

cute raifu

[spring briar]

yus

Dreyse old but cute

[alpine onyx]

old does not exclude cute

[spring briar]

yes that's why I said cute

sadly the chassepot created much more graphic wounds due to improved ballistic

many prussian go ouchie

I sowwy

[silver crest]

trotsky meeting ataturk has got to be the weirdest crossover i have ever seen

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

There were plans to make Stalin and Ataturk meet as well

Tho Ataturk died early

Just before ww2

[fierce sparrow]

https://twitter.com/Tank_Archives/status/1538869101401190405

Tank Archives (@Tank_Archives)

Due to a shortage of running Tigers, Soviet movie studios had to improvise. 20 T-44 tanks were converted into Tiger replicas at the 17th Tank Repair Factory in 1967. #tanks #History

https://t.co/DJz8FFzfMw

Likes

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Twitter · Jun 20, 2022, 12:59 PM

[spring briar]

solution

stop making movies about WW2 with Tigers

[tough quail]

thats surprisingly decent

fake tigers usually look horrendous

[manic latch]

Nah

They use Soviet tanks for tigers

Based

We do need a movie about Italians in ww2

It's always Japanese or German

[tough quail]

also tbf this was in uh

67

its not like it's the 300th hollywood garbage vomit about the wehrmacht

[dark spade]

So I am confused I saw a thing talking about a US cannon in WWII called Little David and it said it was the largest gun of WWII
I thought Karl Gustav and its sister gun Dora were the largest of of 2nd world war

[manic latch]

You mean Karl Gerat? It was 600mm mortar.
Schwerer Gustav was the 800mm gun
Little David was 914mm

[dark spade]

Schwere sorry thought it was karl

I know the western front gun better Dora

[manic latch]

Tho Little David is not the largest. It shares the title with British Mallet Mortar. Who is also 914mm. From 1857

But it's up to you if you find difference between guns and mortars

Since Gustav is a gun

So she is still largest gun ever in that way

[tough quail]

yeah little david and the mallet mortar are larger caliber

but in terms of the actual size of the mounting and actual destructive range and power gustav is still going to handily beat them

[manic latch]

Tfw Tsar Cannon is 890mm. So close

Still biggest cannon tho

[manic latch]

Actually do I remember that wrong

She was 20 inch? But also had something about 890mm

Ok I have no idea why some sites call it 890mm while Wiki calls 20 inch

Ah. Internal diameter of 890mm

Ok so

Gustav is 800mm. And fires HE shells at 820m/s velocity

She fired 250 times during her testing. During siege of Sevastopol she fired 47 shells

Only then she worn out her barrel. So that's almost 300 shots per barrel life

Isn't that really good for that velocity and caliber?

Since even British 406mm/45 firing 1,080kg AP at 747m/s had around 350 shots

[frigid karma]

reminder that kelly's heroes had more accurate tigers than patton

[tough quail]

[eternal veldt]

If you want horrid tank conversions

Try the T-55s converted into Pz IVs

[manic latch]

I prefer M60 Tiger 1

Actually.. that's m48 isn't it

[tough quail]

that's an m48, yes

also i love how there was just literally no attempt

[dusty kraken]

They just painted the cross on it and said job well done

[tough quail]

hey give them credit

they did the german piss yellow paint

[frigid karma]

No no

patton tanks in a movie about patton

why isn't anyone laughing

[spring briar]

Truueeeee

[delicate beacon]

someone posts shells
Richy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Bs3vbl8W0

[manic latch]

@tough quail Literally me and Sang

[tough quail]

vae still wont teach me how to boat

it sucks

[shrewd pecan]

depends

the main issue with airborne AFVs is that typically the compromises required greatly limit their capability and that almost every country that operates them lacks the real capability to employ them

the BMD in particular is a example of overinvestment in Russia's airborne forces despite the Russian Airforce only being able to deploy one VDV brigade at a time (with its entire cargo fleet dedicated to it)

[strong plank]

Peter the Great, colorized

[silver crest]

didn't indonesians convert to islam to get good carpet deals from the arab traders?

[delicate beacon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij-ju5QyGcs

Still no answer to my question.

Did the Dutch literally get nothing?

[tough quail]

the us and uk are a bunch of pissants

[delicate beacon]

We should add Indonesia to the land tally.

[spring briar]

we should have listened to Foch

[tough quail]

still waiting for someone to actually give a solid argument against foch

[spiral cedar]

Name sound silly

[silver crest]

banger history youtuber

any other history youtubers like history matters?

good and not really biased

[spring briar]

because there isn't
you don't just tell a convict to pay some bail every year, slap them on the wrist and expect them to not go and commit more crimes lol
you punish their ass or you rehabilitate them
not some half assed intermediate measure

[delicate beacon]

Military Aviation History, Military History Visualized

[silver crest]

👍

[silver crest]

they got a few feet of land that they gave back to west germany in the 60s

[spring briar]

the great war
real time history

history matters is really shallow

[silver crest]

just short 3-5 mins every week

but really interesting questions

[spring briar]

also

forgotten weapons

best history channel tbh

[silver crest]

mostly military themed channels?

[spring briar]

yea

[silver crest]

tbf the world back then was filled with randomass wars every few years

can't really avoid talking about that

[spring briar]

not really random

[delicate beacon]

Wait

best history channel

The Operations Room

[spring briar]

and yeah they kinda shaped our world

[delicate beacon]

It's getting worse as of late but it's fucking good.

[silver crest]

ottoman rise and fall is the topic im binging rn

[spiral cedar]

There are a few food and fashion history channels on YouTube too

[spring briar]

https://www.youtube.com/c/TastingHistory

my boy

[silver crest]

historical foods

[spring briar]

I also like cap and ball

if you're into black powder firearms

but seriously back to the topic of Foch

Belgium was completely bombed to shit

and they got barely anything

yet rebuilt and had a stronger economy after the war than before

compare post-ww1 germany to post-ww2 germany
and the mentality of the inhabitants

[silver crest]

same with japan and korea

[spring briar]

I meant WW1

WW2 is a different story

[silver crest]

ah

ww1

[frigid karma]

its rangefinder looks stupid

[spring briar]

[frigid karma]

you know it to be true

i mean look at that thing

looks like someone left a baguette to dry out and harden on top of the tank

[manic latch]

Yeah. Object 268 rangefinder is more cute

[spring briar]

subjective

they are both cute

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/both-both-is-good-both-both-is-good-tf2-ceno0-gif-24940033

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[ivory ridge]

so true

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[spring briar]

[chilly osprey]

@spring briar Would you happen to know the final fate of the tanker Tarvisio? She was transferred to France after WWII as part of Italy's reparations, but I can't find any information on what France did with her.

[spring briar]

Renamed to “Garonne” by the MN and removed from service in 1959

Here’s a picture in French service

It appears she had some guns fitted

Armement : 4 canons de 120 mm
2 canons de 76 mm
2 canons de 40 mm
8 canons de 20 mm

[chilly osprey]

interesting

Thanks a lot