history

[tough quail]

you're correct

napoleon was a bolshevik

[manic latch]

And since he is a communist. Qwerty will be happy to joke about his height as well

Problem solved

[manic latch]

Picture it

[spring briar]

I 👏 am 👏 in 👏 misery

[tough quail]

i was gonna make a joke involving shells in the wrong place

[spring briar]

[tough quail]

but given i got warned for saying why i was up at six in the morning in this channel

i think i'll just go ahead and keep that to myself

[cinder escarp]

what

[spring briar]

I gotta go to bed

[cinder escarp]

did I miss horse lore?

[tough quail]

forbidden lore now unfortunately

[spring briar]

Goodnight

[tough quail]

farewell friend

[frigid karma]

What

Where the hell are you getting these assumptions about me and communists

I’m literally from a communist country

[spiral cedar]

Kremlin’s implying you’re especially susceptible to misinformation due to your upbringing and education in a communist country

[frigid karma]

Why would I be predisposed to make jokes about communists if I was educated in a communist country

[tough quail]

i cant tell if qwerty is on like

eight layers of irony

or if that was the most dramatic whoosh ive ever seen in my life

[frigid karma]

Probably both tbh

[tough quail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448601471806603298/982785802574655558/ev3fvpx9to.gif

[tender monolith]

whichever is funnier imo

[tough quail]

yeah that's a whoosh so powerful it's like a foxhound passing a foot over your head at full tilt

[exotic scarab]

who is this guy and why does he look familiar

[junior trench]

Secret lore of WW2

The side with the most forklifts won

[tough quail]

it feels

weirdly hard to imagine a forklift in the 40s

[junior trench]

Forklifts, pallets, and cement

Were secret weapons

[tough quail]

okay thats the era appropriate jank i needed

thanks hon

[junior trench]

This forklift is cute

The Army had to essentially berate the Navy into setting aside cargo space for cement powder so they could build the forklift friendly warehouses for managing logistics

And the times where the Navy skimped correlate to instances of notable supply shortage and bottlenecks

Get fucked OSHA

[tough quail]

look at those lads having a good time

[tender monolith]

Paging OSHA to the thread

Lmao

[junior trench]

The virgin battlefield miniature modeler vs the chad logistics miniature modeler

@tough quail if you want era appropriate jank

[tough quail]

now that is some j a n k

[cinder escarp]

Here's some more forklift lore: there's no stairs in the pentagon, because the building was built with the expectation that after the war the army will demobilize, and was built with high-loading floors and ramps to use... as a warehouse.

[tough quail]

i

i see

[night heart]

Ji

Hi

[exotic scarab]

actually yeah

[humble mulch]

So we have zero things stopping us from doing fork lift races in the pentagon like its Mario kart

[exotic scarab]

the reason why the allies won was because they had more industrial capacity for war then germany or japan

[tough quail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/831000187798814731/975610891515080734/sadsadddd.gif

[frigid karma]

“We would have won the war if Hitler was forklift certified”

[tough quail]

forklift the red army and drive it back into russia

[humble mulch]

King Michael's Coup ensured that the Axis only remaining industrial centers were seamlessly merged with the allies dooming Germany and Japan

Naa the Romanians stole all the German forklift wheels

They're doomed

[frigid karma]

Now I’m imagining a German forklift with a Tiger’s hellish suspension

Only a Romanian could steal such a thing without breaking their fucking backs

[humble mulch]

Interlocking roadwheel forklift

[tough quail]

more like intermemed am i right redditors

at least you're usually not plowing a forklift through muddy russian roads

[humble mulch]

Well you have to if you're gonna forklift army group center out of the pocket

[frigid karma]

Forklift this

[tough quail]

i think thats just a very small maus

[humble mulch]

You dar challenge Romania

There is a baby maus there yes

[frigid karma]

It’s small as a maus

[humble mulch]

But why is it a hover craft on train tracks

[tough quail]

uehuehueuehueheuehueheuh

because nazi super science

[humble mulch]

Germany never did invent a water slide did they

[frigid karma]

nazi super science
literally an ms-1

[tough quail]

yeah they dont know what waterparks or even slip n slides are to this day

[humble mulch]

Can only imagine that things flying off the tracks like a child getting throw out of a corner on a water slide

What poor poor people

[frigid karma]

the twister

[merry iris]

I have a question? I'm playing wotb then they add Ju-nu and other heavy tank in japanese tech tree. Isn't it doing or experimental tanks near the end of the war

Like Chi-nu they are not deploy the war because japan surrender in 1945

[humble mulch]

They had like 150 chi-nus and I'm sure they used them

But yeah I'd assume the ju-nu would be a blueprint design or failed idea from the Chi-nus tank bid

[merry iris]

I just found on The Online Tank Museum I seen Mitsu 104 and not 108 and how? the british get this information and it is original copy they got from the Japanese

and looks liked they copied from the A1E1 Indepence british tank

[cinder escarp]

They are made up

by a POW

[merry iris]

But its say here its contains before second world war and like the U.S they also make equipment handbooks to its allies

[ All the information on the Mitsu-104 comes from a British military intelligence dossier on enemy tanks, which was compiled between January 1939 and March 1943. This information was then later passed on to the rest of the Commonwealth and the United States, who included it in their own enemy equipment handbooks that were issued to the armed forces.
The British information came from original Japanese documents, obtained before the Second World War, although no details of where or how these documents were obtained is included in the files. The paper type and size are all identical to the Japanese standards used at the time, both of which were different from the conventions used by the British, all of which implies that the documents are original, and thus credible. ]

[cinder escarp]

I can assure you, the british documents are not trustworthy

I know the story in good detail

250 shells

8 men

A mitsubishi (okay) water-cooled (?! from mitsu?) giving 250hp? (??!?!?!?! what is this, an engine for ants?)

And the drawing of it is... well...

Someone was at Khalkin Gol and saw a T-28

[humble mulch]

OH I HAVE A MODEL OF THAT

Yeah there’s like 2ish, one have the mg turrets and then the other design had like small canons, like 30ish Mm

[cinder escarp]

The fact those documents ended up in Lister's book is... due to some excessive enthusiasm, they were simply the statements of defectors and PoWs who didn't really know much.

[humble mulch]

It’s cute tho

[cinder escarp]

(This becomes abundantly clear if you look at the other vehicles in the documents)

5 0 0 shells

10 men

Also, made by Aichi, a firm that never was involved with AFV production

(Aichi was also devoted to knowledge of welding and aluminum, being at the bleeding edge of tech. Them building a riveted steel vehicle would be nonsense. The idea of an engine that is somehow both an aircooled and water cooled engine is also bogus)

[shrewd pecan]

reaction gifs are gradually infecting this channel

good to see

[manic latch]

Captain Torres

[tender monolith]

Oh shit it is

[twilit plume]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/737657733360386130/986004097129910272/unknown.png

HMS Howe, King George V-class battleship, passing through the Suez Canal on its way to join the British Pacific Fleet - July, 1944

[night heart]

howe cookie

[jovial elm]

Kgv were a very pretty class of ship

[fierce sparrow]

https://youtu.be/UmNPkp2mnkA

. . .

[manic latch]

Finally

Took them while

[delicate beacon]

It'd be nice if they left a single rock in the center disputed.
No nautical zones to worry about, only beverages

[fierce sparrow]

[fierce sparrow]

GODDAMNIT PIXY!!! NOT AGAIN

[zealous vine]

Would you consider Graf Zepellin as T6 in terms of offensive capability

[eternal veldt]

T6?

The main thing that is extremely for Graf Zeppelin is that allegedly everything needs to be launched by that air-tanked catapult

in which case, concern

[zealous vine]

Yes, I understand

[tepid mulch]

What's the currency in early colonial America

[tender monolith]

probably whatever they could get their hands on really

likely pounds or w/e but other european currencies too almost certainly

or debased shit like pieces of eight

[tepid mulch]

What to use when trading with the natives

[tender monolith]

probably stuff they needed or could con them into accepting

the tale of the sale of manhattan is a good example

[manic latch]

So Type-003 drydock is flooded

Launch should be so damn close

Flag is also ready it seems

[ivory ridge]

[spring briar]

Here’s a real ship

[eternal veldt]

'd be a shame if a fire happened....

[manic latch]

[spring briar]

Best allies

[manic latch]

[ivory ridge]

did someone say botes

[manic latch]

Where is it

[ivory ridge]

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

wait a second

[spring briar]

Sup

[ivory ridge]

i forgor this turret existed

it's the old /54 but lighter

so it's like a mix of the 127/54C and the 127/64LW

[spring briar]

Ok

[ivory ridge]

incredibly funny, thanks r/warshipporn

[eternal veldt]

Just switch sides, smh.

[rapid junco]

Incredibly funny, i'll program my laugh to February 32nd 2032

[spring briar]

Fritz the French

[rapid junco]

I used that on an article about a request a British Admiral made to our Navy General Staff

The request was that our submarines shouldn't go as far as 500 NM off our Coast
For them to not being confused with argentine subs

That was during the Falklands/Malvinas War

And then someone commented
"I bet the Admiral was flattered with the British assuming our submarines could go that far"

[spring briar]

British?

What’s that?

[rapid junco]

🇬🇧

[desert agate]

Type 003 is the ultimate PLAN cope

[rapid junco]

Kind of funny
Because we had Oberon class submarines
As well as some GUPPYs (I know GUPPY ins't really a class)

Ah
There was another comment saying that by complying with the British
We were being "Submissive"
That one got some very Nice replies

[ivory ridge]

submersive and breathable

[rapid junco]

We had a dispute over some Islands with the British as well
But it ended in our favour

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Trinidad

[manic latch]

Know the feel Undef

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

Italian and Soviet Navy being victims of similar jokes 🤝

[ivory ridge]

submarine flamethrower

[delicate beacon]

The soviets had a navy?

[manic latch]

Exactly Dutch. Exactly

[tough quail]

it hurt itself in it's confusion

[manic latch]

[ivory ridge]

influx of supplies to North Africa was never really stopped

[desert agate]

thats true yes, because they went the long way around

[somber knoll]

Supply Corps big brain moment

Speaking of the Italian Navy, Undef, they were (partially) descended from the Venetian Navy in terms of tradition yes?

[frigid karma]

We should have that replaced with eugen or Fdg

Since Bismarck is actually a well designed character

[delicate beacon]

Maybe

But there's just so many biskoboos.

[fierce sparrow]

I see Quora...

[tender monolith]

lol no. bisko is double trash

[delicate beacon]

Bisko herself seems alright, though I'm not deep into AL lore. It's mostly the fanbase. Which seems to be the problem with anything German.

[ivory ridge]

bisko hasnt been a thing in AL for over 2 years

[frigid karma]

Biscuit is humble and not annoying

The same can’t be said for most of the recent IB cast

[tender monolith]

still a nazi

[desert agate]

where Australia?

[tender monolith]

and in fact, worse than just a nazi because the IB sold out humanity to literal alien invaders, on top of already being nazis

[desert agate]

[tender monolith]

you can't get worse than that

[ivory ridge]

on the map, unlike NZ

[delicate beacon]

I put it in the same spot as HMAS Vampire.

[ivory ridge]

[tough quail]

you'd be hard pressed to get more cringe than that whole spiel too

[desert agate]

death

[delicate beacon]

Listen. My source didn't have the UK and commonwealth separated. Nor was I inclined to figure out in detail the rules for which belonged to which faction if they served multiple. I already died inside since the Wickes incident.
... so I just went with the AL canon.

[desert agate]

but Canada is its own faction in canon

[tough quail]

almost nobody separates the RN from the commonwealth in ww2 anyway

[desert agate]

and those people are fucking stupid

[frigid karma]

Hit the way you phrase it makes it sound like the people who do make the distinction are stupid

[delicate beacon]

Then why is Eskimo in the HMS fleet.

[desert agate]

excuse my nationalist wank here but while the RCN made itself completely subservient to the British and British interests the RAN... didn't

[tough quail]

uh

[tender monolith]

what, all 2 ships of it

[tough quail]

eskimo was always royal navy afaik

[delicate beacon]

Was she?

[tough quail]

yes

she just sortied with haida a few times

[desert agate]

Royal Navy's F-class destroyer, Fortune. ...I was transferred to the navy of the Maple Monarchy along with my younger sister Foxhound. ...As an F-class destroyer, I have worked hard...

[desert agate]

the RAN was the worlds 4th largest navy in 1945

[delicate beacon]

Not hard when you let your allies die whilst killing your enemies.

[tender monolith]

i know

i was shitposting

[desert agate]

Canada was bigger but like...
list of achievements of the RCN in WW2:

[tough quail]

you really should not do this

[desert agate]

sorry sang

i dont wanna sound rude

but it does irk me regardless

[delicate beacon]

By my current rulings if I'd separate the commonwealth those ships would be Maple Monarchy... even though they're already in RN in AL.

[tender monolith]

i will say Maple Monarchy owns as a name though

[delicate beacon]

What would the other factions be.

[desert agate]

Yostar pls hire me i'll write the Southern Cross Commonwealth for you

[frigid karma]

We had a discussion

About this iirc

[tender monolith]

when

[desert agate]

discussion has been had many times

[tough quail]

we have like

sixteen times

[tender monolith]

why do i always miss the fun stuff

[delicate beacon]

[tender monolith]

everytime i am here it is just dumb bullshit or werhbs

[delicate beacon]

Maybe because you're the reason fun stuff doesn't happen

[frigid karma]

Implying Australia name discussions aren’t dumb bullshit

[tender monolith]

i knew it

[desert agate]

I sincerely wish the British a very nice die

[delicate beacon]

Nova Hollandia. Take it or leave it.

[frigid karma]

Leaving it

[desert agate]

id rather be a bitch to the brits

[delicate beacon]

Fine. No cake for you... only death.

Spon. Think it over very carefully.

Which cuisine do you want imported to your country.

[desert agate]

chinese is pretty awesome

[delicate beacon]

[desert agate]

the british export sad people and thats about it really

love the Dutch
half the people i talk to here tell me they have family in Australia

[delicate beacon]

We could export you some flood management techniques for when there's a lot of rain.
....
....
...wait...

My dad's best friend married and moved to Australia.

[desert agate]

lmfao

the Snowy Mountains hydroelectric scheme was built in large part thanks to post-WW2 immigration to Australia from the Netherlands

so yeah you kinda already did that

[delicate beacon]

Great. You have us to thank for your country not flooding.

[desert agate]

nah wasnt floodwater management

just generating a shitton of electricity

[ivory ridge]

EN only, fwiw

iirc CN straight up just says Canada

and i forgor what JP says

[manic latch]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tautology

[ivory ridge]

ah right

uh

JP goes the uh

KC way

I'm royal navy's F-class destroyer Fortune... I was transferred along with my little sister Foxhound to the country of maple where we worked hard as an escort destroyers...

[rapid junco]

Being part of the Battle of the Atlantic i guess?

We also have that one

[rapid junco]

Serious question
Does any submarine today have any AA defense?
I'm only asking it because there was one guy complaining we are constructing a new antartic ship instead of a "Nuclear sub with fighter killer missile"

[shrewd pecan]

handful have either MANPADs or that German missile

[rapid junco]

Well
The way the guy says almost sounds that the "missile" should be fired either from the torpedo tubes or a VLS

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDAS_(missile)

[rapid junco]

Although i'm used to those complains since announcement of the contract for that new ship
Of people saying it's a useless ship

[rapid junco]

Not so long ago, one of our polar ships, Ary Rongel
Suffered a breakdown on the Drake's Passage
And had to be rescued by two Chilean vessels

[exotic scarab]

lmao what is this for?

[rapid junco]

And that's why the MB want to substitute her

[delicate beacon]

Assuming there are [4] new shipclasses per event, it's how many events it will take for a faction to have an average representation of ship classes based on their ww2 diverisity.

[exotic scarab]

the dutch are never being added cope

[rapid junco]

I think Wehraboos can go crazy when they see Ary Rongel's hul number

[delicate beacon]

It's also to show faction bias

[exotic scarab]

yeah of course japan gets special treatment

they give them the most money

[delicate beacon]

Japan got a lot of ships at the start

most blue DDs

[rapid junco]

Sang
Have you came up with a name for your Dutch faction?

[delicate beacon]

Tulip Federation

[rapid junco]

Mine's was like
"Southern Cross Republic"
But Hit also have something related to the Southern Cross

[rapid junco]

I expected something like
Kingdom of

But it is okay 🌷

[delicate beacon]

Kingdom doesnt make sense

since Queen

Federation is reminiscent of United Provinces

[spring briar]

[rapid junco]

Well
One of the names i came up for Brazil was like
"Southern Confederation"
Although in the 1930s, we were living under the Estado Novo regime

[delicate beacon]

Southern Confederation seems also a way to grab the rest of the SA nations in

[rapid junco]

Yeah

I think i've one or two friends that would like a "Pan-America"
But in AL

[delicate beacon]

I'd be somewhat interested, but I prefer war participating countries with largest navies first.

Did any country besides Brazil join the war btw?

[rapid junco]

They never showed up their arguments to me
But i think it's something related to Argentina having the 25 de Mayo cruisers

[rapid junco]

In SA you mean?

[delicate beacon]

ye

[rapid junco]

If that's so
We've Colombia
Joined in November 1943
And had a skirmish with one of their destroyers and U-154 in 1944

Keep in mind that a lot of SA nations declared war in like

February 1945
March 1945
Or 1945 as a whole

The only exceptions were
Brazil (August 1942)
Bolivia (April 1943)
Colombia (November 1943)

[exotic scarab]

add poland

[spring briar]

Ah yes Poland in SA

[exotic scarab]

yes courland had a colony there

[rapid junco]

Colombia had two DDs
That what they can give for now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antioquia-class_destroyer

[delicate beacon]

The problem is that most remaining large navies besides the NL were neutral

Iberia and Fennoscandinavia would be interesting but the navies that were war participatants are the smaller supporting parts

[rapid junco]

Argentina would have their Dreadnoughts (just like us)
DDs (7 of them were built with their design following the British G & H class)
And their cruisers (25 de Mayo, Almirante Brown and La Argentina)

And Chile
Well, i only remember their Dreadnought as well
Almirante Latorre
Which is Eagle's sister

[spring briar]

No

Eagle is latorre’s sister

Which is almirante cochrane

[manic latch]

Coch

[rapid junco]

[manic latch]

[rapid junco]

It's funny that we never named any ship with Cochrane

[rapid junco]

Even when he helped us in our War of Independence

Yet we have some "Gringo" sounding names like
Greenhalgh, Dodsworth, Rademaker, Leverger

[shrewd pecan]

to my knowledge no one really does VLS launched air defense missiles for subs

Guidance would likely be a nightmare and I don’t think submarine radars are capable of providing targeting data for air targets

plus you know guiding such a thing would likely leave the submarine vulnerable

all I’ve really seen are just F&F missiles that are typically torpedo launched

Not sure how the Russians handle their submarine iglas tho

[rapid junco]

Well
Like i said
It's Just an armchair Admiral complaining
Since the post is about the signing of a contract for the construction of a new polar ship

It's that kind of people that think we should copy Azerbaijan and put Cannons on tugboats

[tough quail]

https://twitter.com/jesse_history/status/1536674386866016257

Jesse Alexander (@jesse_history)

Youtube comment of the day:
"Germans were the premier fighters in the two world wars, they were beaten strategically as the entire world and major industrial nations banded against them. But one on one, no one could stand against either the Wehrmacht or the Imperial Army."

Twitter · Jun 14, 2022, 11:38 AM

[delicate beacon]

[midnight ore]

you could make a case for the imperial army i think, but the other stuff sounds like bs

though all that is pure speculation

[spring briar]

Foch disagrees strongly and replies by ordering a converging offensive on this man’s location

[midnight ore]

are you talking a about a purely hypothetical german vs french 1v1?

oh he's a general

hmm i don't know that much ww1 french generals

[spring briar]

Paris is too poorly located to seriously debate such a 1v1

Like seriously

[midnight ore]

geography issue?

[delicate beacon]

Have you opened a map of Europe?

[spring briar]

Pretty much the only way people have gotten anywhere against france is by taking paris

[delicate beacon]

Paris is right next door to Germany with a giant plain from there to Berlin.

[midnight ore]

i think you missed the joke

[spring briar]

[delicate beacon]

Oh, autism, me no read sarcasm.

[midnight ore]

it's ok

[spring briar]

We should change the capital to clermont ferrand

In the middle of a volcanic highland

[delicate beacon]

Somewhere near the Pyrenees sounds safe

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

change your capital to the moon to make victory points harder to get

[frigid karma]

Move the capital to the maginot line

[midnight ore]

so, purely hypothetically, could germany blockade france in ww1

if it was a 1v1

[spring briar]

Blockade?

[frigid karma]

Probably not

[spring briar]

Navally?

[midnight ore]

like naval

[delicate beacon]

Blockade? No. Walk into France? Yes.

[spring briar]

They would have to take their fleet to the med

[frigid karma]

You’d have to go all the way to Gibraltar

[midnight ore]

ok, well, obviously discounting the med

[frigid karma]

Which

How would you blockade them without blocking the med

[midnight ore]

ok, partially blockade

better wording

[spring briar]

France can easily get supplies from the med or rivers into neighbouring countries

They also have their colonies

[frigid karma]

Ok so

How much is partial

[spring briar]

Germany would have to spread their fleet thin

[frigid karma]

Because you’d also have to regularly cross the channel to properly blockade France

And that seems pretty optimistic

[midnight ore]

alright i agree i worded myself poorly, i basically just meant: "could the HSF achieve total control of the atlantic side of france"

just a stupid though experiment

[spring briar]

That’s a lot of coastline

[frigid karma]

By Atlantic side you mean just the north

Or the north and west

[midnight ore]

all atlantic side

the english channel will be real goofy

let's just assume all the brits are asleep

i know france had a pretty decent fleet, but so did germany

[frigid karma]

The problem with blockading France from Germany is that you’re constantly going to be funneling vessels through the English Channel

Unless you want to be horribly inefficient and go around Britain

[spiral cedar]

All the minelaying

[midnight ore]

yeah, that's gonna be awkward

[frigid karma]

Ehhh, minelaying maybe not

Considering the British will get miffed

[spring briar]

France will just go full jeune ecole

[frigid karma]

But the look of the English Channel gives me a wows torpedo boner

[spring briar]

They had stupid numbers of torpedo boats and coastal artillery

And the gulf of biscay is also full of uncharted rocks

[midnight ore]

ww1 hypotheticals are much more fun than ww2 ones

[spring briar]

They are because germany had spent 40 years preparing their army

[delicate beacon]

Can confirm. Sinterklaas always seems to get stuck there.

[spring briar]

Also the russian revolution is just such a wildcard

[midnight ore]

well if you expand the time scope a bit, it's also that different alliances or war starting points could easily be imagined

not so much with ww2

[spring briar]

Bulgaria joins the entente and beats AH in 1914

Britain gives Agincourt and erin to the ottomans

[midnight ore]

bulgaria stronk 💪 💪💪

[frigid karma]

According to bf1 if the ottomans had beat the British in 1914 they would’ve joined the entente because they had oil

[spring briar]

Ottoman invasion of german east africa

[frigid karma]

[spring briar]

[frigid karma]

Japanese invasion of German China

Wdym that actually happened

[spring briar]

Germany not doing the big dumb by going for verdun

[midnight ore]

german and Austrian relations break down but the german and british alliance efforts succeed in the early 1900's

Germany and UK vs France Russia AH

ottoman and US wildcards

[spring briar]

France would first need to stop being a republic

Or french

[midnight ore]

idk i'm just schizoposting

[spring briar]

A-H was already collapsing truth be told

They killed some serbs

And then got three years of fun with the italians

[midnight ore]

oh yeah italians

[spring briar]

After which they keeled over and died

[midnight ore]

i forgot about them

[spring briar]

Isonzo time

[midnight ore]

italy germany vs france AH russia

[spring briar]

Truly schizo

[midnight ore]

indeed

[spring briar]

Britain germany usa bulgaria italy ottomans russia japan greece belgium vs France

[frigid karma]

Fuck it let’s go full Br mode

Everyone for themselves

[midnight ore]

i think only a toilet in paris will be left after that war

[frigid karma]

Who dies first

[midnight ore]

AH

[frigid karma]

Not Serbia?

[spring briar]

Doesn’t matter as long as AH and Britain keel over and die

[midnight ore]

maybe?

[spring briar]

[frigid karma]

How does Britain die in that engagement

From laughter?

[spring briar]

Communist revolution in london

[midnight ore]

by the power of french cope

[spring briar]

French naval blockade of Liverpool

The whole uk dies

[midnight ore]

sure man

[spring briar]

[frigid karma]

So

[spring briar]

Just schizoposting

Like you said

[frigid karma]

Surcouf at the uk was secretly blockading it??

Because the only way French sailors end up at Liverpool is as POWs

[midnight ore]

but for real tho, everyone wants shit from AH

[spring briar]

[midnight ore]

germany

italy

russia

[frigid karma]

AH is dying really early yea

[spring briar]

Aa always

[frigid karma]

But I think Serbia would get trampled first

Just

From the sheer excitement of getting to AH

[spring briar]

It’s a miracle that AH lasted for as long as it did

Also respect to Belgium

[midnight ore]

i wouldnt say it was "fated to collapse"

i'd say a confederation was entirely possible

if no war

and some luck

[chilly osprey]

And a dash of divine intervention

[spring briar]

1917-1918: happens
Finland, Estonia, Lituania, Latvia, Hungary, Croatia, Slovenia,…: bonjour

https://tenor.com/view/reappear-appear-gif-20802583

[midnight ore]

Eesti stronk 💪

[spring briar]

They were the first to get born from the revolution

[midnight ore]

But like actually we did pretty well

Like unironically

[spring briar]

Also for anyone that hasn’t experienced LSD, I can recommend reading in depth about the russian revolution
Especially the part where they started shooting 15 and 16 year olds

[midnight ore]

Sounds like russia

Is it really a russian war without child soldiers?

[spring briar]

Well it was not even a war

[midnight ore]

Alright "conflict"

[spring briar]

Just killing the only people that could possibly oppose the glorious Bolshevik cause

(They only got 20% of votes)

[midnight ore]

"Special military coup"

[spring briar]

Petrograd moment

[midnight ore]

Inb4 ban

[spring briar]

Also AH didn’t have a reserve army in ww1

So

They…

Couldn’t let their soldiers rest

By swapping with reserves

Like literally everyone else was doing

[midnight ore]

sounds like a recipe for success

[spring briar]

I mean they asked for it

They literally wanted the war

[midnight ore]

though i guess that sufficed for the mountain adventures they had with italy

[spring briar]

Yeah

Luigi Cardona will blame anyone but himself anyways

[midnight ore]

1 nothing wrong with me

2 nothing wrong with me

3 nothing wrong with me

ok i wont post all like 13 battles here i'll get warned for spam probs

[spring briar]

I need Diaz pls

[chilly osprey]

It may or may not have something to do with the location being the only spot along the border where you can actually launch an offensive from the Italian into something other than sheet mountain face, but, yes, meme go BRRRR

[spring briar]

Phoenix I understand the complexity of the ordeal but

12 battles

Please just delete Cardona

And get Diaz

[chilly osprey]

I mean, yes, but I want to imagine for a second that you count every battle along the entire western front as a repeat of the same affair.

It's kind of the same thing, except now add an extra front the Germans could attack from but you couldn't

[midnight ore]

no regrets

[chilly osprey]

Though, yes, Cadorna was an ass that should have been replaced earlier

[spring briar]

All the battles for the Aisne river

Challenge accepted

https://tenor.com/view/critical-role-travis-willingham-fjord-stone-counting-counting-words-gif-18880406

[spring briar]

That’s honestly my only gripe lol

But let’s have a moment of silence for Belgium

[chilly osprey]

That said, it does have to be aknowledged that he is often used as a scapegoat for issues with the Italian war effort - namely, issues with how the government approached the war, issues much lower down in the CoC that had to do with how the Italian army was organized, and also idiotic commands that came from on high - ex, more than one offensive was launched because the Entente asked for one, in order to 'take pressure off' the western front. Which, uh, for obvious reasons didn't actually do anything to impact the Western front really until 1917 when the Austrians asked for German aid (which lead to Caporetto).

[midnight ore]

in different news, i've seen people on forums talking about how the new KF51's drone launcher module can actually be swapped for an extra 10 round ammo bustle

that would be pretty interesting

though i don't know how true that is

[chilly osprey]

That's what the drone launcher module replaces, yeah.

Normally that space would be used for ammunition storage

[midnight ore]

ahhh

alright

[manic latch]

Drones are the way

Would prefer that over 10 shells

They can also scout

Extra shells cant

[midnight ore]

i guess their idea is that each vehicle can provide atleast limited reconnaissance

[manic latch]

Overdo it by team operation

Whole tank battalion launching drones

Or half carry scout drones half Carry Kamikaze drones

[chilly osprey]

Tbh I'd prefer to keep more ammo and have the drone launching/recovering separate from the tank.

But there's a lot of potential there

[midnight ore]

guess having options is never a bad thing

[ivory ridge]

smh old news /s
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_march_2021_global_security_army_industry/italian_ariete_mbt_can_launch_uav_from_its_gun.html

[midnight ore]

gun lauched UAV's

lol

based

[shrewd pecan]

gun launched loitering munitions

[cinder escarp]

The russians were one of the first to gun-launched UAVs, they have had a 152mm diameter one for a long time to be fired from arty

[cinder escarp]

You almost certainly could fit the regular switchblade 300 in any standard 120 or 105mm gun.

[shrewd pecan]

interesting

shame 600s 150 MM diameter

vs 76 on the 300

[ivory ridge]

76

[shrewd pecan]

M18 hellcat launched loitering munitions

[ivory ridge]

brb repurposing the otomatic as an automatic switchblade launcher

[shrewd pecan]

I mean if you really wanted to

smack in another storage rack extension and smack one of these in the back of the tank

👁️ tho Paladin gun launched switch blades 600 does sound fascinating in concept

but again gun launched wise probably better to just have conventional guided rounds

[junior trench]

I think Switchblade 600 and all the NLOS ATGMs share a niche without realizing it

And I'm pretty sure Switchblade is going to win once they realize

Considering the whole

[shrewd pecan]

being considerably cheaper and being able to loiter

[junior trench]

Does everything the ATGMs do, but loiters

So even if you lose sight of the target initially you can just

Wait for a while

Within line of sight you're better off sticking to fire and forget ATGMs

[shrewd pecan]

I mean the main flaw I see in switchblade is travel time but that's made up by being able to loiter

[junior trench]

And just dropping the NLOS cost and weight

[shrewd pecan]

I can why you'd have 600s/300s be a more dispersed asset while you have spike NLOS or something in more dedicated units

[junior trench]

Also

Little things like

The field of view on an NLOS means you better know damn well where the target is

And if you've got the target located that well you might as well let actual indirect fires take the shot

On an ATGM scale it comes across as a bit...

GWOT/COIN influenced

[shrewd pecan]

thinking about it

why haven't the TOW Humvees or Strykers gotten anything significant done to them upgrade wise

suppose they're experimenting with Spike equipped JTLVs

but like, why are we still having TOW only equipped Strykers

[junior trench]

Direct fire anti-tank from defilade

[shrewd pecan]

wouldn't it be better to just convert them to spike carriers

that or give TOW a F&F capability if its possible to just smack a javelin seeker on it

(I remember that being brought up in a chieftain video)

[junior trench]

Afaik they're more interested in doing a beam riding TOW

TOB

TOOB

[shrewd pecan]

TOW remote launcher when 👁️

[junior trench]

There's also just sort of

Not a huge reason to go very hard for a TOW upgrade

Due to how proliferated Javelin is

[shrewd pecan]

idk for the vehicle role, I just don't see the point in the Stryker TOWs since in any combat encounter they're probably gonna get folded outside of the most ideal circumstances

suppose its different when they're acting in support of Stryker Infantry units

since they'll have Javelin infantry supporting them alongside Stryker Dragoons

but like outside of that I think it would be more ideal to either smack them with Spike or up their firepower somewhat

[junior trench]

I mean

If they really need to

They can just go all in on ground launched Hellfire and/or move JAGM into a surface to surface role

[shrewd pecan]

believe JAGMs already moving to a surface to surface role

would be funny to see ground radar guided hellfire/JAGM tho

with the hellfires and assumingly the JAGMs ballistic trajectory should be doable

[junior trench]

But again

Direct fire remains relevant

[shrewd pecan]

I mean the frontal Stryker units are already getting CROW-Js

and Stryker Dragoon's can mount Javelin as well

[junior trench]

If someone digs into a treeline with the proper spacing from the actual edge of the forest

Then anything with a top attack profile is going to have a bitch of a time

[shrewd pecan]

direct fire the Javelin

[junior trench]

It's still lofted

[shrewd pecan]

fair

[cinder escarp]

Eh, from what I remember Javelin direct fire mode isn't lofted much at all

[shrewd pecan]

idk I feel moving Stryker TOW to either JAGM or Spike would give Stryker units a NLOS capability since the TOW's role seems to be less needed with the wider issuing of Javelin

[shrewd pecan]

JAGM would still have that direct attack capability as well

[junior trench]

Direct fire Javelin is direct in a very relative way

[cinder escarp]

Yeah I know, I just didn't remember it being up to 60m

[junior trench]

Probably because the shots that show up in most promo vids are direct fire and extremely short range, so they probably barely reach the ~20 meters to reach 1km

The flight profiles for the 4km+ shots must be pretty wild

Oh, right

Also

There's a point where trying to add too much reach to systems just ends up being counterproductive

At 4km Javelin is already outranging most tank fire.

Meanwhile Spike ER is getting out to 10km, and NLOS is going all the way out to 32km

And you start running into issues with people wanting to use your ATGMs for things they're not meant for

Especially when you start putting things like that onto IFV-esque platforms

[shrewd pecan]

I mean ATGMs are likely gonna be used on any vehicle encountered

that just boils down to AT discipline

[junior trench]

I mean

More like

You need your unit of IFVs in the here and now, overwatching some point

Not being asked to answer a call for fire from a unit 20km away

[shrewd pecan]

I mean

I'm not saying throw Spikes on everything

I'm just thing the TOW Stryker might have greater capability if it was able to fling missiles at targets 8-30 KMs away

even for Bradley I see the reasoning to maintain the TOW

[junior trench]

TOW Stryker with missiles like that would be an indirect fire asset

[shrewd pecan]

since Bradley has not only its auto cannon but also supporting infantry

[junior trench]

The point is they needed a direct fire AT asset for supporting Strykers and infantry

And now that CROWS-J and Dragoon are running around they're more likely to just drop it entirely than upgrade it

[shrewd pecan]

I don't really see why they'd drop CROWS-J

[junior trench]

???

[shrewd pecan]

is there some issue with it I haven't been seeing

Protectors been in service forever how the fuck are they fucking up mounting a Javelin on it

[junior trench]

Where did I say anything about dropping CROWS-J?

[shrewd pecan]

o

I misread

dumb dumb on my part

[junior trench]

If anything they need to go farther

[shrewd pecan]

👁️

[junior trench]

Unmanned non-penetrating M230 + quad Javelin turret

30mm and 4 ready to fire Javelins

[shrewd pecan]

god I hope next gen stryker is a development of the LAV-700

I mean

they might as well just make a stryker dragoon turret with a TOW launcher

give the Stryker TOW a bit more umph in that direct fire role

[edgy linden]

Yostar please gib neko US gun

would be good UR DD or AA gun

[frigid karma]

it should be a UR DD gun

so they'll make it a gold aa gun

because that's what DM's twin 76mm are, and they hate UR AA guns

[rapid junco]

How i wished Armchair Generals/Admirals could understand that there's no point on militarizing this

[ivory ridge]

Put a giant laser on it

[strong plank]

the Bond villain strat

[fierce sparrow]

Ariete launching UAV... from its gun

[remote monolith]

oh hi there Hiro Hito

[shrewd pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_Model_200

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Control_Ship

shame the 200 lost to this piece of shit

thing would of had similar VTOL configuration to the F-35B while also having a proposed CTOL version

[junior trench]

that's more a Yak-38

than an F-35B

[shrewd pecan]

fair

should of clarified that I was referring more to the engine

single engine vs the dual engines used on the YAK-38 with actual super sonic capability

eh thinking about it

more YAK-141 style than the YAK-38

[junior trench]

well

none of them are very F-35B like actually

F-35 has more in common with Harrier

once you get past the superficial placement of the thrust fan being like the two whole extra engines

[shrewd pecan]

mmm

makes me wonder tho, why they went with the VFX-12 over the 200

probably looking at it with the benefit of hindsight but 200 seemed to be a lot more proven in terms of configuration

vs uhhh this thing

[cinder escarp]

They augmented the math on the proposal for the augmented thrust engine

[shrewd pecan]

o right that entire thing

[cinder escarp]

"Lab tests showed 55% thrust augmentation should be expected; however, differences in the scaled-up system dropped augmentation levels to 19% for the wing and a mere 6% in the canard. While the augmenters did work as expected, the extensive ducting of the propulsion system degraded thrust, and in the end the power-to-weight ratio was such that the engine was capable of vertically lifting only 75% of the weight of the aircraft in which it was mounted."

tfw you augment the math

[shrewd pecan]

shame honestly

could of had a super sonic capable VTOL fighter in the 80s

[cinder escarp]

we could have had it all... 🎶

P.1154 is the real deal

Literally supersonic harrier++ designed by Camm himself

[shrewd pecan]

something about just looking into old USAF/Navy aircraft competitions

and finding the American MIG-29

[cinder escarp]

BS.100 was just a really huge pegaSUS

[shrewd pecan]

guessing it was never pursued due to the UK being too broke to make it

[cinder escarp]

Well, that played a part

But what drove P.1154 off the deep end was the demands it be a joint RAF-FAA programme, and the FAA sabotaging the requirements

[shrewd pecan]

time period when the FAA still had CATOBAR capability

[cinder escarp]

(Basically, they A) wouldn't accept a single-engine plane, and B) were extremely hesitant to get a STOVL plane as it might mean doom for their CV programs if they didn't need CATOBAR CVs)

So it became a RAF only program, and then in '64 the new Wilson government told the airstaff that they got to keep one of the three major programs in development - these being TSR-2, P.1154, and HS.681.

HS.681 was easy for them to ditch, and when it came down to it TSR-2 mattered more than P.1154 to the air staff. So P.1154 died.

[shrewd pecan]

and then TSR-2 got canned

and so did the British F-111

[cinder escarp]

HS.681 was a really woke blown flap STOL transport, kind of like a baby C-17 but much earlier

[shrewd pecan]

kinda reminds me of that British C-130 competitor that never took off

[cinder escarp]

The argument for buying F-111 over TSR-2 was sound, it offered more for less.

[shrewd pecan]

yeah

[jovial elm]

What if we kissed next to the RGB gamer Centaro 👉❤️ 😊

[manic latch]

"Realize the party's goal of strengthening the army in the new era, and build the people's army into a world-class army in an all-round way" "Strive to build a strong and modern navy to provide strong support for realizing the Chinese dream of a strong military"

God that's cool

[desert agate]

Oh yes how cool militarism and might

Cant wait to see how pathetically inadequate this thing ends up being

[manic latch]

Hey it has catapults unlike QE now

Would count that as pro already

[desert agate]

And?

QE has F-35s

Half of the criticisms levelled against STOBAR carriers are obsolete with the F-35

[manic latch]

Yeah it use B variant. Can't use the C variant

[desert agate]

003 can't use any

[junior trench]

imagine having 4 classes of supercarrier to copy notes from and still fucking up the catapult layout

[desert agate]

Lmfao

[junior trench]

and elevator layout

[desert agate]

The lift layout genuinely hurts me

[manic latch]

Yeah US won't sell China they have to use FC31 instead for future

J15 until they are mass produced

[desert agate]

The PLAN and PLAAF don't have any aircraft in service or in development with a radar comparable to the F-35

And the F-35s radar is equivalent to a previous generation AWACS

[junior trench]

or engines

[eternal veldt]

How fucked is the catapult layout?

[desert agate]

Which allows the F-35b to operate as an AWACS or AEW platform

Which is genuinely revolutionary since it makes the E-2 almost obsolescent

[manic latch]

Differences with Ford

[desert agate]

Still can't operate C-2 which is valid but that can be gotten around

[cinder escarp]

While not a fan of the elevator layout, it must be noted catapult #4 on ford and nimitz is for all intents and purposes useless.

There's a billion restrictions on it.

[junior trench]

is this another one of those, "you say things and people take you at your word" things

[eternal veldt]

What's the problems with the elevators too? Obviously short of one on the port side.

[junior trench]

???

[desert agate]

The port side lift means you have to move aircraft across the flight deck in order to launch from catapult 3

[junior trench]

I know it's fun to make fun of how far behind people are in the radar department, but E-2 brings things to the table that F-35 doesn't

[eternal veldt]

Ah. Makes sense for that one. But catapult?

[junior trench]

like a radar that does the stuff Russia and China try to brag about doing

[desert agate]

Also means recovered aircraft have to move further to be stowed below

Which slows down recovery rates

[junior trench]

i.e. actually spotting low RCS targets at all alts

[manic latch]

Question
Why US prefers F35C over F35B. Going with catapults that is

More range and payload?

Is it worth sacrificing over vtol?

[ivory ridge]

Yes

[manic latch]

[ivory ridge]

The C has the highest fuel load of the 3

[desert agate]

I didn't say the E-2 was worthless I just said that a stobar carrier without them can use an F-35 to fulfil a similar role

Not as well but it's still a vitally important capability to have

C variant is objectively superior

But the b, despite being watered down is still one of the best fighters on the planet regardless

[night heart]

Wrong group sorry

[cinder escarp]

As to cat layouts... Catapult 3 and 4 can't be used at the same time, for reasons that should be very, very obvious to looking at the Ford or Nimitz layouts. Cat 4 also has a wing clearance limit due to its proximity to the edge of the flight deck meaning you can't use it for anything with a wide wingspan - and I am still trying to find the exact limit.

(Am busy looking through NAVAIR manuals to get the exact number)

Unfortunately, the exact limit is in "Aircraft Launch Bulletin 0-16" which is not public. That said, it is quite clear that there are strict limits on it.

[jovial elm]

Was doing a read up on the F35 recently.

Ignoring the stealth(it is amazing) it is possibly the best fighter on earth by avionics suite alone

[spring briar]

I can still see it

so not good enough

[ivory ridge]

Just

Close your eyes

[spring briar]

AI controlled visible light missiles when

[maiden citrus]

RGB missiles you say

[spring briar]

where is your stealth god now

[maiden citrus]

me looking at an rgb missile about to enter cwis range due to confusing all other systems

https://tenor.com/view/gato-rgb-gif-22003887

[spring briar]

rgb missiles are easier to see

[digital mason]

I wonder why that is

[zealous vine]

What was the equivalent of Graf Zepellin in other navies?

[tender monolith]

a slingshot and a rock

[eternal veldt]

Strap two of these together and you have a GZ /s

[zealous vine]

Fair enough

[dapper parcel]

Imagine asking Japan how to build a carrier and they give you old Akagi plan and claim it state of the art, just as they pull her for complete rebuild

[delicate beacon]

Closest thing is Aquila I guess?
GZ is oversized and underperforming. There are no similar ships.

[eternal veldt]

Or in the state of utter delusion that you want to mount 2 x 3 203mm guns on your carrier

Raeder certified moment

[zealous vine]

I meant, just performance-wise

But thanks for y'all's input

[dapper parcel]

Who fucking knows, we don't even know what plane were to be fitted

[delicate beacon]

Probably a 17000ter in a trenchcoat

[eternal veldt]

If you mean her performance as a target vessel for bombs

[delicate beacon]

Bf109T and Ju87C no?

[eternal veldt]

multiple candidates

[zealous vine]

[eternal veldt]

Yes and no, the Fi-167 was also designed for GZ

[cinder escarp]

Nah, it's her all important performance... as a floating lumberyard

[eternal veldt]

You can also thank Meyer Goering for refusing to work actively with the designers

[dapper parcel]

Yeah, the problem is expecting them to be working completely flawless as intended

[eternal veldt]

"How big do the elevators need to be?"
"As big as my appetite"

[delicate beacon]

I thought those were canned.
That's what I heard from Military Aviation History at least.

[zealous vine]

Let's theoretically say, in WoWs (sorry for mentioning the shithole), she performed as she would've irl, and completed.

Would.. she even be T6?

[delicate beacon]

That's an awkward question

[eternal veldt]

We really don't know

The fact that we don't know the plane complement, or even the mode of launching the planes is literally up in the air

[delicate beacon]

Since no carrier in wows is historically performing.

[eternal veldt]

Are the planes purely launched by catapult? launched conventionally? A hybrid mix?

[maiden citrus]

as slow as she would launch planes, and as poor as the planes would perform since they had no real conversions and the ones they did have were super questionable, probably

[dapper parcel]

It's honestly hard to quantify when you don't know the doctrine and institutional knowledge, which was like two third the point of carrier operation

[eternal veldt]

You also need to take into account crew proficiency, you can have a green crew like Taihou and trashing your planes day 1

Compared to the veterans of the Kido Butai

[eternal veldt]

You are correct, canned for Ju87E.

[zealous vine]

Ah.. alright

[eternal veldt]

Also, if you're on wehrb copium, there's also this

laughs at the Jumo004 failing and burning the whole carrier

[spring briar]

how simple do you want your jet engine to be?

"yes"

[zealous vine]

Maybe I need though, or just that Im in desperation trying to find competent T8, T9, T10 designs for my own tech trees that aren't underpowered, or far-fetched

[dapper parcel]

Assuming everything to just work is also problematic. Take Corsair, who know it'll be complete pig to land if you're only looking at spec sheet. Or the whole SB2C

[eternal veldt]

You're almost completely out of options for Germany

[zealous vine]

Definitely

[eternal veldt]

You can go for the Europa conversion, which is bigger as I recall

[spring briar]

please don't

[eternal veldt]

Flugzeugträger B is most likely GZ without the idiotic twin 15cms, and C and D is up in the air

IIRC might even be smaller designs

[spring briar]

De Grasse CV

[eternal veldt]

Eendracht CV

[maiden citrus]

h39 cv conversion

[zealous vine]

I used this (from a WoWs forum post) as a reference

[spring briar]

Naval bombardment of the houses of Parliament by the RN

[tender monolith]

tbh anyone trying to add more cvs into wows is already an enemy of the people

[delicate beacon]

[spring briar]

why not use one of the armed CV concepts as a T10

[chilly osprey]

HMS Belfast is right there

It would be easy

[eternal veldt]

Entwurf A-I is news to me.

[zealous vine]

Not a proposal, just a personal project :>

[tender monolith]

aight

[eternal veldt]

shut the fuck up, I want my funny nonsensical Dunkerque hybrid /s

[spring briar]

[ivory ridge]

Aquila next patch

[dapper parcel]

Why basing most of the CV speculations off BB hull conversion anyway?
Everyone know it's suboptimal, and the sole actual datapoint, GZ, wasn't even based off Bismarck

[eternal veldt]

Provided the construction is early enough, it's...okay, I guess?

[tender monolith]

'cause the nazis didn't have any experience building actually good CVs?

so conversions

[dapper parcel]

I mean, they did design GZ specifically for a CV, what makes you think they won't do so later

[zealous vine]

Honestly, what would you think a solid original German Design would be like? Something of a Zuikaku to the Japanese, or a Yorktown to the US..

[eternal veldt]

Oh, found it

Entwurf A-I are those funny aircraft carrying cruisers

in other words, please just shoot me and be done with the thing

and please don't send me to the ostfront kthx

"flight deck cruiser' A I presented on April 9 th, 1942. The ship would have had a displacement of 40,000 tons and air complement of 12 Me 109 fighters and 16 Ju 87 dive bombers. The artillery was to be composed of one quadruple 20,3 cm gun turret on the fore deck and sixteen 15 cm guns in double casemates. 210,000 hp Diesel engines would give the ship a top speed of 34 knots. The armour corresponded to the standards of a heavy cruiser.

[zealous vine]

Wait a minute..

[tribal mortar]

Oh lord

[eternal veldt]

The design basis is literally "please don't fucking draft me"

🤦‍♂️

[tribal mortar]

Lmao

Honestly at that point idk how big the actual ship wouldve been

[dapper parcel]

quad turret to boot

[eternal veldt]

Just a bit better than this thing then

Lest you wonder, it comes with a floatable airfield

[zealous vine]

Looks like this shit I found years ago without the superfiring quad

[eternal veldt]

4 triple 203s, on 5200 tons

[tribal mortar]

It's a 203 mm, Graf Spee gun I reckon

[zealous vine]

HA-

[eternal veldt]

The Panzerschokolade does wonders

[eternal veldt]

It's not too far off anyway

and Sirene found evidence of what appears to be 380mm/406mm quadruple turret designs in the BdA anyway.

[zealous vine]

no...

[spring briar]

ok so hear me out
we sneak surcouf up the thames
and fire on the pariament

[eternal veldt]

..Just turn Belfast's guns around

[tribal mortar]

Lexington's flight deck was 270 meters long. If the flight deck on that entwurf thing was that long then the ship would reach about 360 meters long, or just under 1000 feet

[spring briar]

belfast didn't exist then

[eternal veldt]

What year?

[spring briar]

1940 ish

or did she

[eternal veldt]

Restore Victory and bombard the Parliament with 50+ guns every 3 minutes

[spring briar]

I forgor

[eternal veldt]

Belfast was in drydock from 1939 IIRC

[spring briar]

oh

[eternal veldt]

After hitting a mine and breaking her keel

[dapper parcel]

TBF Lexington was basically an anomaly CV development-wise

[spring briar]

well we'll just use bow torps to take her out first

[tribal mortar]

True, it was quite big

[spring briar]

and then use her as a stable firing platform

[tribal mortar]

She did

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

yea, november 1939

hit a mine in Firth of Forth

[spring briar]

F

[eternal veldt]

It's also why every WoWS Edinburgh is literally just Belfast

[maiden citrus]

armor, no, powerplant, lol

[tribal mortar]

Ah yes, bland like the Brits

[eternal veldt]

have a sniff yourself, maka.

900 tons of lightweight metal, 800 tons of armour, 500 tons of ballast

[tribal mortar]

Holy crap

[eternal veldt]

I still don't know what the Jumo Turbines are

Preferably not as complex as the 004 engines

[maiden citrus]

well that didn't take long

http://puu.sh/J60Fy.png

[dapper parcel]

even assuming the armor is structural it's still whack

[maiden citrus]

I didn't put any armor on it yet

it just imploded

[eternal veldt]

I mean, doesn't springsharp have difficulties handling Indret-Sural magic

[spring briar]

step 1: make a block of steel
step 2: give it a name and commission the block of steel in your navy
step 3 : have it be present in every battle
step 4: ???
step 5: invincible warship achieved

[eternal veldt]

or is that RTW2

[maiden citrus]

ss

[spring briar]

springsharp
or did maka become a german

[maiden citrus]

I basically only set a standard ca size, added the weight on there by force and it put the block coefficent so low it died

[eternal veldt]

I mean, the Brits barely managed to cram together a design for 10,000 tons on 4 x triple 203, and that's with almost zero protection, so....

[spring briar]

I would like to present algerie

[eternal veldt]

4x triple, Riche

not 4 x twin

[maiden citrus]

I can make anchorage on 13k

[spring briar]

Idc what you think

[eternal veldt]

[spring briar]

4x3 on a CA just seems like a waste ngl

[ivory ridge]

Skill issue

[maiden citrus]

nah, it's based

[spring briar]

is it tho