no idea, but I have had a past of mentally connecting things with less connecting more tenuous links than Isidore of Kiev (14th-15th century ... churchman) and AL!Kyiv
#history
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junior trench
... I think thinking of some historial figure made them horny for Kyiv asmr?
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no idea, but I have had a past of mentally connecting things with ~~less connect...
Who the fuck is Kyiv
analog shuttle
... I think thinking of some historial figure made them horny for Kyiv asmr?
Pretty much. Is figuring out why the hell.
junior trench
Who the fuck is Kyiv
Kyiv is Kyiv, and still is Kyiv
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Kyiv is Kyiv, and still is Kyiv
What 
chilly osprey
Kiev is the Russian way of saying Kyiv, no shit a Soviet ship would have the name spelt Kiev?
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Kiev is the Russian way of saying Kyiv, no shit a Soviet ship would have the nam...
Yeah it's weird this guy calling AL Kiev as Kyiv tho
You don't call Leningrad class as Saint Petersburg class
Just because city has different name now
analog shuttle
inb4 someone refers to it as 'Sankt Peterburg class'
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Likely Tsar fans
Or Petrograd
Kinda weird in Opsiren it's Saint Petersburg. But world tour it's Petrograd
So not even Manjuu is sure about it's name
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World Tour ... as in the purple META map?
analog shuttle
yeah, that.
ivory ridge
because the cruise pass map is not important and is only there with some random references
spring briar
wut?
Where this?
analog shuttle
... at least she was mostly a paper ship, if Danbooru was anything to go by.
Kiev was historically designed as a follow-on to the Tashkent-class design when it became clear that Italian shipbuilding practices were incompatible with the comparatively inferior Soviet shipbuilding industry and practices. Kiev and her sisters were to be cheaper versions of Tashkent with virtually the same armament. All were canceled or scrapped by the time of the German invasion of the Soviet Union.
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... at least she was mostly a paper ship, if Danbooru was anything to go by.
> _...
She was under construction with some of her sisters
Invasion of Germany oofed it
analog shuttle
aah
junior trench
my dude
that article straight up says they were already evaluating canceling them, and had canceled one, before the invasion
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wut?
Where this?
musée de la libération cherbourg
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it has a single driving band
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Was just there
spring briar
which the MN never had
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Might be a German shell
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looks american actually
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that article straight up says they were already evaluating canceling them, and h...
Only one was cancelled tho. Rest was under work still until they stop it
spring briar
maybe from Texas?
desert agate
Since the museum was a fort originally used by the French then taken over by the Germans
They had no other details than what's written there unfortunately
Other than an English translation
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"Only three ships were begun; one was cancelled and scrapped before the Axis invasion in mid-1941 and construction of the other two was suspended during the war. The navy considered completing them under a new Project 48-K configuration afterwards, but decided against that as they would have been competing against a more modern design that lacked the stability problems that the 48-K design would have had."
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I don't recall seeing cameras
ivory ridge
go and steal it
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And there's no security
All you have to do is get it up a flight of stairs
For legal reasons this is a joke
spring briar
I tried to steal a 420mm shell once
was a bit too heavy
and my pocket wasn't big enough
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That one's liftable
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I tried to steal a 420mm shell once
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The pockets might be problematic
spring briar
let me find the picture
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Maybe could get a large duffel bag
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Lookin good richy
chilly osprey
huh, TIL you have an anime face IRL too
junior trench
still
having a riche-murm face must be quite the handicap
we should raise public awareness of this issue
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Nah murm is beautiful Riche is beautiful it's simple
No handicap
Just combination of 2 good things
analog shuttle
so which part of you is Riche and which part of you is Murm?
spring briar
yes
analog shuttle
inb4 it's 0% Riche, 0% Murm, 100% Duc d'Auerstedt
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the legs are mine
the rest is scarcely documented
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Skinnier than I thought
spring briar
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Dammmnn
manic latch
it's a compliment
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That's some fuckin shade
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chilly osprey
looks up from book
And this, class, is called "Being a dick"
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it was a compliment wtf
spring briar
chilly osprey
It was a back-handed compliment at best
analog shuttle
so what's a 'kreiser'?
spring briar
cruiser
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oh riche i have present for you
spring briar
analog shuttle
straight up saying Riche was a fat neckbeard in your head
inb4 her namesake was a (line of?) fat neckbeard
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le redoubtable
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they removed the reactor unfortunately
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just a big old cavern now
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So it wasn't nuclear
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generally having tourists around nuclear reactors is a bad idea thats why there arent many nuclear powered museum ships
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ugh i dont want to talk about this again
eternal veldt
Are you larping? Taking the Red Eminence so seriously you are wearing a red shirt
Smh very disappointed /s
spring briar
straight up saying Riche was a fat neckbeard in your head
being french keeps you lean
the amount of online battles you need to win a day burns a lot of calories
shrewd pecan
probably easier to do than lifting tbh
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steel
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thats where the reactor used to be
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they cut the whole reactor section of the hull out and replaced it with dummy hull
chilly osprey
I just wish they kept Colbert~
spring briar
they should've restored her with the 127's
eternal veldt
In their defence, they parked Colbert at a shit spot
spring briar
they still have the chance to do that with Maillé Brézé
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stupid hotel wifi taking forever to upload pics
eternal veldt
Pick some place else, not there
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~~I just wish they kept Colbert~~~
"The museum closed on 2 October 2006 due to a lack of funding and pressure from the municipal government and local interest groups"
Who are these local groups
spring briar
I feel like the early 2000's were a bad year for naval history fans
a lot of shitty books
eternal veldt
Disgruntled people whose home is right behind the Colbert, most likely
chilly osprey
^
eternal veldt
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chilly osprey
'ruined the view' and 'I don't like war' crowds
eternal veldt
And that is before counting asshole tourists
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And that is before counting asshole tourists
I thought they would love this type of museum
eternal veldt
I meant that tourists as a source of problems
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Ohh
eternal veldt
they make a huge ruckus, like it or not
And the last thing a museum wants is no visitors
stares at Viraat and Orleck
chilly osprey
From which era?
spring briar
I think it pertains to the 30's?
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they make a huge ruckus, like it or not
Kiev is comfy at least 
chilly osprey
I usually see negative stuff expressed about French steel in the 20th century as either;
A) Lacking sufficiently high strength steel in the 1920s (because of lost time thanks to WWI) to build cruiser hulls as lightly as other navies, which cost them available tonnage for protection. This only got turned around at the end of the decade. Mainly pertains to 10,000-ton treaty cruisers. Though, worth noting there were a lot of issues with quality of steel used on destroyers built at private yards in the 1920s too, which corroded early or decks/platforms not installed with the resistance required by the MN.
B) Deck armor, mainly people trying to figure out how Massachusetts was able to penetrate Jean Bart's aft machinery deck at ranges below where she should have been able to do so (i.e. an assumption that the deck armor plate performed worse than it should have).
spring briar
I've read about the pitting issues on the fantasques
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chilly osprey
The former is pretty well substantiated by evidence, though this is not so much steel quality being poor than it is the metallurgy falling behind for a decade or so relative to other navies (could not produce as high strength plate, thus required thicker plating). The latter is, as far as I know, just guesswork?
tough quail
im pretty sure the latter is just a case of her swaying or listing in mass' direction
given just a couple degrees can change that massively
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spring briar
post-WW1 makes a lot of sense since you can't really afford to occupy all your major steel mills with making AAA grade steel when most of the infrastructure along your eastern border has been destroyed (thx germany <3)
tough quail
its okay germany's eastern infrastructure is going to take a mildly harder hit in the next round
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U.S. Navy Bureau of Ordnance in World War II says positive things
spring briar
whereas before that in the belle epoque france could just poor whatever money was needed to have the bestest steel
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U.S. Navy Bureau of Ordnance in World War II says positive things
Wait. Did French really teach this to US?
tough quail
cast armor tends to mostly revolve around tanks and in the late 30s the US is absolutely comically behind europe on that front
so its not too surprising
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chilly osprey
Also has to be said that, because people have this fixation on 'muh Krupp Stahl', they forget that France for the longest time was easily the most advanced steelmaking nation in Europe
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Krupp and Nippon fans destroyed
chilly osprey
Hence why they could get away with things like just using Mild Steel plates or Nickel-Steel plates at the same time the British were having to mess around with things like Compound Armor to get similar defensive capability from their armor
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tough quail
🥖
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Nuclear missile tubes
chilly osprey
Blessed Creusot steel
spring briar
also France kinda maybe was like the only kinda maybe republic kinda maybe, so the US liked that
and the US helped france with aircraft production
tough quail
Nuclear missile tubes
these are the tubes we pump the future science through
spring briar
Blessed Creusot steel
tfw belt and turrets of pre-dreads are impenetrable from most 305's beyond 6 km
tough quail
dont forget the US was also comically distrustful of the french even before they were invaded
the goofy trap door thing on their aircraft sales is the absolute funniest to me
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Fancy ass officers mess
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also France kinda maybe was like the only kinda maybe republic kinda maybe, so t...
You know Roosevelt was fine with making naval agreement with Soviet Union. Helping, selling etc. But the Navy itself was against it and delayed the deals much as possible
His death was the biggest tragedy
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Kuznetsov as leader during 1930s. Making Soviet Union have shitload of carriers
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only for the officers
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Does anyone here know the color Magenta?
Magenta is a color that is variously defined as purplish-red, reddish-purple or mauvish-crimson. On color wheels of the RGB and CMY color models, it is located exactly midway between red and blue
spring briar
Magenta is a color that is variously defined as purplish-red, reddish-purple or ...
what is it named after
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Typhoon class is more comfy
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The ratings mess was pretty good too
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Typhoon class is more comfy <:TOOBASED:797584356403183617>
too bad the captains on like $50USD a week or something ridiculous like that
tough quail
Kuznetsov as leader during 1930s. Making Soviet Union have shitload of carriers ...
might genuinely leave leningrad worse off fwiw
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what is it named after
Magenta took its name from an aniline dye made and patented in 1859 by the French chemist François-Emmanuel Verguin, who originally called it fuchsine. It was renamed to celebrate the Italian-French victory at the Battle of Magenta fought between the French and Austrians on June 4, 1859, near the Italian town of Magenta in Lombardy
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might genuinely leave leningrad worse off fwiw
.....You know that could be true. And carriers would reduce steel for tanks and plane construction
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spring briar
toob
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too bad the captains on like $50USD a week or something ridiculous like that
While living in comfy Typhoon. That's a deal alright
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youll find thats not how submariner morale works
being under sea for long periods of time away from family is very mentally taxxing and then not even making enough money to effectively support that family is far far worse
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being under sea for long periods of time away from family is very mentally taxxi...
Dunno man that sauna looks lit
spring briar
tough quail
just bring your kids there's enough room
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just bring your kids there's enough room
Also got gym
tough quail
the funny hijinks start when a seven year old starts launching missiles
desert agate
my wife and child are below the poverty line but at least theres a nice sauna
spring briar
ONE
strong plank
The community barbell
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ONE BARBELL
budget cuts
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ONE BARBELL
Already more barbells than rest of warships
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lmfao crypto
tough quail
just cutout the middle man and bench press the missiles themselves
manic latch
just add sailors for more weight
Happy now?
desert agate
thats one way to launch them
tough quail
yeah i was about to say i was pretty sure there was more to that
spring briar
why cardio
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cardio is important
spring briar
muscle better
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they told me on le redoubtable that they did cycling inside her
tough quail
presumably because the sub is fucking huge and you need to be able to bolt from one end to the other
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yeah i was about to say i was pretty sure there was more to that
There is always more
strong plank
In an emergency the sailors need to be able to get out and help push the sub
tough quail
bruh???
spring briar
what
spring briar
so this is where russian medieval history went
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spring briar
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tough quail
u see
to increase recruitment and ease budget constraints
we have added museums to the entire submarine fleet
shrewd pecan
thinking about it
didn't Moskva have what was supposedly a splinter of christ's cross
spring briar
oh
tough quail
they pull into port every couple months to restock the souvenir shop
manic latch
we have added museums to the entire submarine fleet
Even bridge is comfy
tough quail
that's a nice shade of blue
shrewd pecan
"In February 2020, Russian Orthodox officials said that a very "rare and important" Christian relic purported to be a part of the True Cross on which Jesus was crucified was to be placed aboard the ship.[38][39]"
strong plank
doesn’t look that comfortable
spring briar
well tbf I have a piece of the holy nails in my possession
manic latch
doesn’t look that comfortable
Average American
shrewd pecan
I mean if you're gonna give Russian subs anything they're roomy and rather luxurious for submarine standards
tough quail
is it street legal though
shrewd pecan
gonna take this Los Angeles 30 knots down 94
tough quail
drag race the italian police lamborghini
strong plank
get traffic stopped
“are there any weapons in the vehicle?”
“Officer you have no idea”
shrewd pecan
"About enough nukes to pop a star"
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Wonder how comfy Pyotr is
tough quail
i love how my brain now just sees the tug as a tiny police boat
sorry pyotr you went through that speed trap too fast
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i love how my brain now just sees the tug as a tiny police boat
Ara Ara energy
Dragon and Pyotr
tough quail
the sharp color changes on dragon are weirding me out
tough quail
the sheer aesthetic clash would melt my brain
it's like seeing iowa next to an ironclad
its just weird
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Did Zumwalt ever crossed Atlantic?
shrewd pecan
1980s soviet left over next to undeveloped brit ship
shrewd pecan
Admiral Nakhimov still not in service
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<:deadman:863019574864773120> Admiral Nakhimov still not in service
Under heavy refit
It will be pyotr's turn after
shrewd pecan
for the last two decades
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for the last two decades
You don't rush the art
junior trench
did ya'll hear about how her refit was just a complete grift set up
shrewd pecan
she had a fake refit under a corruption scheme yeah
shrewd pecan
idk I doubt Russia is gonna be able to afford a second Kirov regardless
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idk I doubt Russia is gonna be able to afford a second Kirov regardless
They are scrapping the first two
Maybe Kirovs will be last battlecruisers of world for a long time
shrewd pecan
I doubt Pyotr is gonna stay in service once Nakhimov is done
shrewd pecan
more uhhhhhh -RECENT EVENTS- than anything tbh
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Nope. I am serious it's about age as well
Like good ol Nimitz
And Enterprise
Their nuclear age has come
shrewd pecan
idk the entire Russian fleet is just old
Moskva was obsolete and she was intended to serve until 2040
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idk the entire Russian fleet is just old
Well yes. No money to replace the old ships.
shrewd pecan
and proper dockyards
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Moskva was actually planned to get scrap during 2018. But no replacement
She would be scrapped if she had a replacement
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this thing that's never gonna be built
Yes. Lider is Zumwalt of Russia
Way way too expensive
If she was build however
She would replace Slava and Kirov class
For handling their work as modern
@shrewd pecan And this would have replaced Kuznetsov if Russia had money
tough quail
one day someone will build another cruiser/destroyer that actually looks nice
and not the most featureless hunks of plastic
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and not the most featureless hunks of plastic
Stealth fetish
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one day someone will build another cruiser/destroyer that actually looks nice
My only hope is with China now. Since they still somewhat follow Soviet aesthetics
shrewd pecan
nah
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Def not with Type 55 however
shrewd pecan
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she's more American style if anything
Orel Class
shrewd pecan
I'd call her soviet style if she had VLS right in the flight deck
she doesn't
she's a departure from Soviet style carriers for more western style since China actually has the escort fleet for Type 003 and the rest of their carriers
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I'd call her soviet style if she had VLS right in the flight deck
Sometimes I think that's for having ability to pass Turkish straits no matter how large the carrier is Soviets call it "Cruiser" so it can pass
shrewd pecan
they don't need the armament to break a CVN in defense of Northern fleets subs
shrewd pecan
fair
shrewd pecan
Sometimes I think that's for having ability to pass Turkish straits no matter ho...
nah in doctrine
tough quail
and visually she very much looks like a soviet uber wide CV
shrewd pecan
Kuznetsov is intended to protect Northern fleets nuke subs from NATO fleets
she's a cruiser that happens to have aircraft for a reason
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she's a cruiser that happens to have aircraft for a reason
Fun fact. Ulyanovsk was also a cruiser
Those VLS at bow
Kuznetsov would be free of her suffering if Ulyanovsk was build before collapse
shrewd pecan
idk post break up Russia
wouldn't be able to afford her regardless
and that's assuming she doesn't end up in Ukrainian hands
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and that's assuming she doesn't end up in Ukrainian hands
Welp she was under construction in Ukraine
So uhh engineers tried to save her from scrapping by Ukraine
By launching her. But they couldn't launch it
So she got scrapped
shrewd pecan
she was incompete and no one had the resources or money to finish her
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Meanwhile sister of Kuznetsov Varyag. Sold to China by Ukraine
Now serves as Type 001
shrewd pecan
Kuznetsov didn't even have a functional airwing for years after she was commissioned as well
so its not like Ulyanovsk would of faired any better
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I think what killed Kursk was also that collapse of repair
shrewd pecan
corruption and being broke
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First 2 Kirovs got reactor meltdown during 1990s
Since no funding to maintain
That's the main reason they got scrapped
Other 2 Kirov was younger so they didn't suffer the same problem
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corruption and being broke
That corruption is %100 what delayed the Kuznetsov as well
The general director of a shipyard contracted to carry out repair and refit work on the Admiral Kuznetsov has been arrested by Russian law enforcement. He is alleged to have embezzled around 45 million rubles ($605,000) in funding
shrewd pecan
I mean that and numerous fires, her dry dock sinking and other incidents
that plus no money
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I mean that and numerous fires, her dry dock sinking and other incidents
Those wouldn't happen if no corruption and more money I bet
Everything I love suffers
shrewd pecan
eh that's how oligarchy's usually go down
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Funny really
A different reality Kuznetsov would purchase herself F35Bs
Would be interesting sight indeed
tough quail
a better world where we could've just swapped turkey with the ex-soviet states after the collapse
chilly osprey
If only Russia was, uh, not at all like modern Russia
shrewd pecan
No we’re gonna talk about post civil war neo slavery and debt peonage
spring briar
talk to me about richelieu
each of her barrels had a unique name
tough quail
give me this lore
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NATO carrier fleets be like
ivory ridge
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Title superhero: Nimitz class
Main villain: Ally nation flagship smh
Crossover hero/love interest: Escort destroyers
Sub villain: Submarines
Flying thing: F-18 or F-35
tough quail
why did cavour punch my dog
ivory ridge
why did cavour punch my dog
He called the 76mm bad
junior trench
No we’re gonna talk about post civil war neo slavery and debt peonage
throwback time
"but brazil"
desert agate
lmfao
tough quail
He called the 76mm bad
alright thats fair then
shrewd pecan
throwback time
"but brazil"
god that discussion
spring briar
tell me about it
shrewd pecan
we kept trying to talk about the civil war
and that one guy kept bringing up completely off topic shit
strong plank
le bootleg Nimitz
tough quail
did you know that big carriers look the same
shrewd pecan
this is why China must make the MULTI FLIGHT DECK carrier to set it self apart from the competition CLEARLY original configuration Akagi was the superior carrier design
IMAGINE IT
THREE FLIGHT DECKS FOR MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE
tough quail
now we're thinking with downs
shrewd pecan
the f/a-18 super hornet is SLOW! SLOW! SLOW! this is why the united states navy needs a fast interceptor such as the F-14 in order to keep up with near-peer threats such as RUSSIA and CHINA as we step into the MODERN BATTLEFIELD!!!!!! FLEET DEFENDER! with how slow those BUGS go, those floggers will be hitting our fleets and out of the zone PRONTO! way before our hornets can intercept
FUCK CHENEY!!!!
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THREE FLIGHT DECKS FOR MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE
YOU JUST GOT CYBERFUCKED
shrewd pecan
I hate that thing
I hate Arasaka
I am a JOHNNY SILVERHAND extremist
nuke your local corp
tough quail
oh it's a stupid cv made out of graphics cards that's funny
sees cyberpunk logo
oh
well, time to kill la kill myself
eternal veldt
Could be worse...
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GTA?
tough quail
I would be surprised the sub they have in GTA is a decently accurate Russian nuke sub
Not uh
That
spiral cedar
When conditions eased, Mahan enjoyed long hikes in the mountains near Kobe and he rhapsodized, “The country is more beautiful than anything in our own land. Just between Kobe and Osaka is one of the loveliest, if not the loveliest rural view I have ever seen.” Naval lore had it that the valley he “discovered” came to be known as “Mahan’s Valley” to subsequent naval visitors. “But I have never heard it has been so entered on the maps,” he wistfully recalled. In his memoirs, written some forty years later, he expressed concern that modernization would wipe out the charms of his favorite valley. “If the march of improvement has changed that valley, Japan deserves to be beaten in her next war.” Some reason for “beating” Japan!
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jovial elm
HMS vanguards christening was the first state business of princess/queen Elizabeth.
So I guess that is why she was chosen to be the recent event ship
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I hate Arasaka
Ngl Arasaka technology on Soyuz would be damn hot
spring briar
HMS vanguards christening was the first state business of princess/queen Elizabe...
doubt it
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big waste of money
jovial elm
big waste of money
Boooo
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oh look lets spend millions of taxpayer money that could go into roads and infrastructure
jovial elm
oh look lets spend millions of taxpayer money that could go into roads and infra...
Pennies in the scale of a nation budget
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pennies that could save lives in an inflation crisis, housing crisis, economic turmoil
etc
jovial elm
I get you, bare in mind though, more money has been wasted by decisions with no payoff whatsoever
restive zealot
hello!
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sure has but at least it didnt go into the pocket of some geriatric fart whose only important because 1000 years ago someone stabbed someone else
jovial elm
Looking at you, uk govnment killing basically every potentially successful industry the uk had ever had
restive zealot
Looking at you, uk govnment killing basically every potentially successful indus...
cough and the irish culture cough cough
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cant speak for the UK but personally i'm excited for the inevitable republic referendum when QE kicks the bucket
restive zealot
any way, i need some help.
restive zealot
yall know where i can get color photos of akagi and kaga? im doing some hasagawa waterline models but the color instructions are in japanese
cpu color is ok
jovial elm
cough and the irish culture cough cough
Cars, aviation industry, mines and many others
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@eternal veldt is our camo guy
restive zealot
ok
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unfortunately its 3am for him
jovial elm
Biggest waste of potential.
Fairy delta 2 or TSR2?
restive zealot
ik kagas colors as i have her 1980 model version. but i dont have akagi
restive zealot
whats tsr-2?
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BAC TSR-2 a British supersonic nuclear bomber
jovial elm
Not just nuclear ybf
desert agate
well yes general strike profiles were also a part of it
restive zealot
oh, thats cool
wasnt there a ussr supersonic bomber that used drinkable alcohol in its refridgerant lines?
jovial elm
Good old tu
restive zealot
its nicknamed the supersonic booze carrier but i dont remember its model
restive zealot
is that a us version?
desert agate
in the end the F-111 ended up as a vastly superior platform that could do everything the TSR-2 could do, but better, and more
restive zealot
oh no, thats raf
jovial elm
in the end the F-111 ended up as a vastly superior platform that could do everyt...
But it didn't
restive zealot
thats the key words "but it didnt"
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but it really did
restive zealot
btw, whats this thing for?
jovial elm
It was slower and it's avionics were far worse but I carried more
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10'000lb vs 31'500lb
restive zealot
It was slower and it's avionics were far worse but I carried more
thats the key, payload
desert agate
F-111s avionics were not inferior
jovial elm
thats the key, payload
It wasn't a heavy bomber tho
restive zealot
its better to be a little slower but carry alot more
restive zealot
It wasn't a heavy bomber tho
yeah, these are jets right?
jovial elm
Look at the panavia tornado
desert agate
btw, whats this thing for?
thats the funnel, the Japanese trunked it down because they believed it would keep turbulence from interfering with aircraft coming in for landing
jovial elm
Carried far less than tsr 2
restive zealot
thats the funnel, the Japanese trunked it down because they believed it would ke...
oh, for the engines?
desert agate
yes
restive zealot
cool
jovial elm
The TSR was designed for desp penetration, which is a different role to the f111
desert agate
indeed the F-111 was vastly better suited to low altitude bombing and interception
restive zealot
The TSR was designed for desp penetration, which is a different role to the f111
so like, pin point bombing like factories n stuff?
sorry, i mostly know boats
desert agate
given that the TSR-2 was designed to use its high speed and low altitude for that deep penetration, its a little questionable how it was going to do it
given that the F-111 could fly lower
carry more bombs
and deliver them accurately on target
restive zealot
ah
desert agate
yes it was slower which is a disadvantage but it could also carry AAMs to defend itself, and wingmen if called upon, which the TSR-2 could not
oh and the F-111 could reach mach 2.5 at altitude and mach 1.2 at sea level, both actually faster than the TSR-2
which again calls into question how the TSR-2 was in any way a better platform other than Avro Arrow tier cope
desert agate
i want my aviation files back so i can read about these planes more
but theyre 20'000km away
so
at least my boat books are digital
restive zealot
but theyre 20'000km away
my guy, are you in space?
desert agate
im in France actually
restive zealot
ah
desert agate
so close enough
desert agate
pretty nice
frigid karma
have you tried the snails yet
desert agate
Cherbourg is a nice city
no
ngl ive had more kebabs in france than i did in turkey
restive zealot
reading about the birds in french cuisine gave me the shudders
desert agate
cant complain love kebabs
i had duck for the first time the other day
that was pretty good
restive zealot
brb
desert agate
anyway heres my TSR-2/Arrow Cope
the Light Destroyer Program
what we could have had
the things that could have been
iron wind
surcouf's guns didn't train to either side yeah?
chilly osprey
They had a limited train
iron wind
do we know how much?
desert agate
chilly osprey
I think it's ±90°
desert agate
there was a video posted here a while back that showed the whole mechanism
idk where it is tho
but yes the turret turned
spiral cedar
Something something bigger rangefinder than KGV's primary
restive zealot
ok, so, i comeback from doing stuff outside and i see blue prints for kgv stuff
chat went wild
spring briar
yes
spring briar
I think it's ±90°
the firing arc is 130° for either side
so 260° total
with 30° max elevation
chilly osprey
Grazie
jovial elm
You know what is sad
That this beauty never received a viable upgrade path
There were plans for a supersonic upgrade for her, but she never received it
spring briar
I do love the buccaneer
jovial elm
Unironically the best aircraft made by Britain post ww2
There are stories of the bucaneer leaving the Tornado behind in training missions together
I am not a huge fan of the tornado tbh
Also dat lewd airbreak
maiden citrus
plane looks pretty nice
maiden citrus
and bote, bote is nice
spring briar
jovial elm
plane looks pretty nice
I actually adore the bucaneer, it is one of the times Britain fully hit it out of the park(along with the Vulcan and Canberra)
tough quail
Vulcan gang Vulcan gang
jovial elm
Vulcan gang Vulcan gang
The giant dorito
desert agate
ADEN good
spring briar
Gary, Indiana
cinder escarp
In this house we stand for the Victor
manic latch
There are stories of the bucaneer leaving the Tornado behind in training mission...
Well duh, Bucaneer was designed against Sverdlov class
So of course she will be amazing
cinder escarp
The bucc is a great plane
However, the Grumman Bucc is even better
(The A-6 and Bucc were basically devised to the same requirements, the USN considered buying Bucc instead of A-6, and the RN considered A-6 instead of Bucc as well...)
subtle prawn
eternal veldt
@restive zealot 10:42 pm for you, but if it's not too late, I'd advise not to use colour guides from the manufacturer. 90% of the time they're awful or outright bad.
For Akagi, she is decked out in Yokosuka Arsenal Grey at the outbreak of the Pacific War. For Kaga, she's in Sasebo Arsenal Grey.
tribal mortar
eternal veldt
Here's an entire list of IJN ships' paint colours as of December 1941.
Green - Yokosuka Arsenal
Grey - Sasebo Arsenal
Yellow - Maizuru Arsenal
Blue - Kure Arsenal
eternal veldt
As for the colour itself, I'd first suggest you to find a company first. Are you going to use Tamiya, Mr.Hobby, Vallejo, Lifecolor, or something else?
Then you do mix and matching. As I recall, Tamiya has Sasebo and Kure Grey as an independent colour.
yeap.
same for Yokosuka.
Now, as for general appearance, vertical and steel surfaces are decked in this colour, unless otherwise stated; Flight deck is in natural gold growth pine (bei matsu) colour, and fantail has their katakana markings, as well as their red and white stripes. As of Midway, Akagi is confirmed to have a Hinomaru (the red meatball) on the forward part of the flight deck. No photos of the Kaga, however, emerged from said battle, but US pilots seem to recall seeing one.
eternal veldt
I would be surprised the sub they have in GTA is a decently accurate Russian nuk...
Saints Row III. A GTA shitpost, literally.
Sorry for pong.
eternal veldt
It was. If it's any consolation, the carrier got blown up and split in two during the game's events. 
cinder escarp
the color scheme looked familiar
The photo is miselading though
It's a helicarrier
eternal veldt
Different plane/carrier.
tough quail
pain
cinder escarp
Different plane/carrier.
I stand corrected, it's been a long time.
eternal veldt
you're thinking of that insanity. This one is really a helicarrier.
cinder escarp
Yeah, I went and double checked
eternal veldt
indeed...10 years ago.
fervent wyvern
what these on riche
the model i built also had them but no idea what they are lol
spring briar
Yeap
digital mason
for when the ship goes down
alpine onyx
Run onto the deck, yeet all the floats you can grab overboard and jump after
digital mason
thats basically it
eternal veldt
you can also have these and have them float up if the ship goes down
maiden citrus
looks nice
spring briar
sank on the 1st of April 1873 off Mars island, Nova Scotia after hitting golden rule rock
all women aboard and all but 2 children died
tough quail
thanks richy exactly what I want to read directly before bed
tough quail
i choose comfy rest instead of agony
maiden citrus
sounds not as nice as it looks
maiden citrus
i choose comfy rest instead of agony
have a lil chonkee instead for comfort
maiden citrus
if we get a standard that's shrunk in al, that should be the name
lil chonkee
aw yis
spring briar
now let's talk about the amount of people that got blended in the paddle wheel of old steam boats
maiden citrus
it's my friends birthday and I am going to make them spiral cut hot dogs and was showing them example pics, that's what they chose
maiden citrus
can do
spring briar
alexa
maiden citrus
they like theirs cut so I was probing what their favorite cut type would be
spring briar
list off all ship accidents where people got shredded by the ship propulsion
does maka like boat trips?
maiden citrus
yes, I sail often
even have a model of my favorite (because it was my first) ship to go on
they had a tour of the machinery one trip and I got to go down and see the engines, bridge, etc
spring briar
you know what my favourite ship is?
maiden citrus
richelieu
spring briar
close but no
spring briar
Lorraine chan
maiden citrus
In February 2022, it was announced that Carnival would retire Carnival Ecstasy as well as Carnival Sensation from the fleet. Sensation would not return to service, where as Ecstasy will return to service in Mobile, Alabama from March until October 2022 and then would be retired after that point.
and yeah I can see that, you have talked about them a lot
but wow, rip
I don't think I will be able to go a final time
that's genuinely saddening
I get that she is 'small' now but the ship is still doing well and was great condition, so saddening
maiden citrus
thanks friend, but wow, feels bad
I think I only sailed on another ship once
had a clear favorite
I'll have to have a toast in october in my shot glass I used onboard since it's a special occasion
and why did they pick october
this is such bad karma
spring briar
oh
there's a small café near the Leie river that I can cycle to in about 45 minutes, and inside the café is HMS Arethusa's crest
maiden citrus
oh that looks nice, and that would be cool to see
maiden citrus
would be nice for a walk
spring briar
the guy that lives there is the host and he also manually operates the bridge
yeah that's him
maiden citrus
that's actually wicked, what
spring briar
idk what's going on here
lolw
I really live in a quaint place
we also have a castle in the village
Been really well maintained
static delta
Ain't been in this chat for a while
spring briar
static delta
I now know the B-52's nickname
manic latch
I now know the B-52's nickname
Watched not what you think again I guess
static delta
Yep
jovial elm
my village is 4.91 times older than the united states
My village is older than the USA but not that much lol
spring briar
@manic latch seen before?
desert agate
My home city is like 40 years younger than the US
desert agate
Although if you count indigenous inhabitants in the area it's more like a few hundred times older than the US
manic latch
enjoy the 4th stalingrad pic
I bet Soviets actually had hundreds of the full hull before they remove the bow and stern for testing
Likely hiding somewhere in archives
spring briar
static delta
I just saw my towns 1950's F1 championship car
maiden citrus
that looks based?
spring briar
yes
zenith seal
yes
chilly osprey
checks age of family hometown
'BC'
Ah
So at least six times older than the city I live in in the US
manic latch
Hmm
Wiki says F14 is the heaviest fighter launched from a carrier
It's really heavier than F-35 and 18?
And what about F-111, I thought she was heavier
jovial elm
Opinions: the uk would have been better investing in the.supersonic buccaneer proposal than the TSR2
jovial elm
It's really heavier than F-35 and 18?
f35 isn't that heavy
F14 is far heavier than it and I think the F111 was never classed as a fighter
manic latch
jovial elm
Right now, the J20 is by far the heaviest in service
manic latch
Largest too I think
jovial elm
It is only 1 tonne lighter than an f14
jovial elm
Largest too I think
Yeah
Apparently it isn't as stealthy as a true 5th gen fighter, although it's technology is based on a captured f117 so...
manic latch
Shame no carrier variant for J-20. Since KC-31 is a thing
manic latch
Apparently it isn't as stealthy as a true 5th gen fighter, although it's technol...
- stolen F-22, 35 and B-2 files
jovial elm
J20 is planned to go carrier based isn't it
jovial elm
+ stolen F-22, 35 and B-2 files
Yeah
Apparently the J20 has little to no thermal stealth
manic latch
J20 is planned to go carrier based isn't it
Not sure. Why they would build KC31 otherwise
For Type 003
Sigh
It's wasn't Kc31
Fuck I keep mistaking names
manic latch
Fc-31
jovial elm
manic latch
jovial elm
F5 fan I take it
manic latch
American planes with Soviet/Russian camo is fucking hot
jovial elm
Opinions: the uk would have been better investing in the.supersonic buccaneer proposal than the TSR2
manic latch
I want this
jovial elm
I do like the look of the su 57 "Femboy"
jovial elm
Ah balls
manic latch
57 is Felon
tfw had to be F so not Tomboy
jovial elm
Ikr
manic latch
SU-57 Tomboy abs
jovial elm
Bucaneer is the sexiest aircraft ever
You cannot change my mind
Maybe the fairy delta 2
manic latch
This girl man
It's damn sexy
Sure it could be a high copy of C-17 but
Small details makes it sexier
Especially the camo
within the Chinese aviation industry itself, the aircraft is more commonly known by its nickname Chubby Girl
spring briar
maiden citrus
spring briar
spring briar
spring briar
Yes
spring briar
tough quail
swell
spring briar
humans might be smart but T rex just wins
dusty kraken
How does the T-Rex fare with a 120mm APFSDS shot tho
delicate beacon
Depends, what's the length of the round?
spiral cedar
120 mm
delicate beacon
120mm L1 round? 
spring briar
How does the T-Rex fare with a 120mm APFSDS shot tho
the Trex dies
no surprise
but you knew that
delicate beacon
dienstgeheim 
spring briar
onder marine
ivory ridge
spring briar
tender monolith
happy dead Reagan day everyone
spring briar
manic latch
Classic 
frigid karma
is florida really a part of america
delicate beacon
Yes. Just like Limburg is part of the Netherlands, Wallonia is part of Belgium and Cornwall is part of England.
dapper parcel
Classic <a:Belo_pat:933584364208525322>
I can somewhat understand when it's politician or "outsiders", but amusingly sometimes it's their own PAO that fucked up. They should know better.
spiral cedar
Lol
spring briar
beautiful
rapid junco
There's two more
manic latch
Flankers and Falcons 
spring briar
The radio call sign of cruiser Georges Leygues during the Suez crisis was FART
rapid junco
spring briar
manic latch
dapper parcel
can't destroy it if you can't even figure out where to shoot at
frigid karma
can't destroy it if you can't even figure out where to shoot at <:AkagiLUL:53198...
it's modern tank
center mass ftw
bonus points if it flies down the gun barrel and into the shell magazine
manic latch
Hm, Kronshtadt was heavier than Richie <:comfyLurk:663549291188715570>
Well she is a heavy cruiser by Soviet Standards
ivory ridge
dumb standards
spring briar
ivory ridge
stalingrad is worse because she was outdated before they even finished designing her
manic latch
Well designed to counter Alaska class and bully smaller ships like Des Moines and Worcester
But turns out US cancelled their own as well
ivory ridge
designed to be skull fucked by naval aviation 
manic latch
designed to be skull fucked by naval aviation <:picardia:698198861784678401>
Battleships, Large cruisers: My time has come
Battlecruisers: Kirov dancing 
Great student
spring briar
tough quail
wake up honey its time for your daily pissing match
manic latch
tough quail
fear the chinese tank grabbers
delicate beacon
How did they get their hands on GLA tech. 
tough quail
based??
strong plank
Russian tank crews when they see the cast of cirque de soleil roll up alongside them
manic latch
steals Abrams then reverse engineers it in 1 month
Ah
I just remembered
Since Project 72 was inspired from Illustrious class
Project 71 (Serov) was inspired from Ark Royal
But there was also some Japanese influence. As smoke funnels were at sides
rapid junco
My grandfather went (to Italy) and earned a paper and a medal. I threw it in the trash!
Dude, you're an irresponsible. You had an exemplar grandfather, a hero, and you don't appreciate it [...]
ivory ridge
yikes
frigid karma
Well she is a heavy cruiser by Soviet Standards
they got the heavy part right
ivory ridge
because he's an idiot
frigid karma
no
manic latch
Copy pastes old sketch of Kron
manic latch
Yeah what's his next work tho
delicate beacon
😶
frigid karma
idk and idc
tough quail
you will
livid knot
fierce sparrow
rapid junco
>My grandfather went (to Italy) and earned a paper and a medal. I threw it in th...
More context
Its a YT Channel community post about our Expeditionary Force that fought in Italy
So basically his grandfather is/was a WWII veteran
And yet, he threw the man's medal in the trash
ivory ridge
manic latch
So basically his grandfather is/was a WWII veteran
And yet, he threw the man's m...
This one?