#history
alpine onyx
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Wider the turret= faster the reload smh
spiral cedar
Also
Bismarck is 50% higher than Bismarck
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Alsace vs Lion
spring briar
Alsace wins
desert agate
ivory ridge
actual alsace vs lion
spring briar
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Alsace wins
Pain, death he spreads- Those who do not have the mark
spiral cedar
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based
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14.96063
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and factual
spring briar
richie's shells have better pen than littorio's
spiral cedar
Why don’t Richy’s 380mm guns get the same treatment
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better quality
spring briar
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richie's shells have better pen than littorio's
spiral cedar
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spiral cedar
This isn’t even a question about Richelieu
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<:EyjaConfused:690210620020228150>
spring briar
Ships like the KGV's, Richies and us BB's that served the entire war and have ample of sample data on all sorts of engagements, surviving all of them
vs
bismark
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Ships like the KGV's, Richies and us BB's that served the entire war and have am...
Didn't knew Wales survived
spiral cedar
Oh, stumbled across the ol’ “Ducol steel > KC n/A” chestnut
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Interesting
spiral cedar
Never mind that Ducol steel is a structural steel…
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whenever the steel argument gets used...
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whenever the steel argument gets used...
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Soyuz bad steel lol lost
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the steel of a nation is only as good as its food
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tough quail
6" slab gang
tough quail
looking at you littorio smh smh
spiral cedar
Aaron, please, I have a family to feed
chilly osprey
What in rhe crack-addled pogostick am I looking at now?
spring briar
welcome
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>soyuz
>"real" deck
chilly osprey
Quora is a sin
spring briar
me rewatching drach's video on dunkek
"the french used 10000 tons on wine and bread storage"
spiral cedar
I should sign off textwalls this way
tough quail
their superstructure looked a little funny
thats about it
even thats pretty much made up for by how sick all the various gun mounts look
spiral cedar
Found Undy’s less literate sibling
spiral cedar
She was built in the treaty era and was bigger than any ship, bar the Yamamoto class
tough quail
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Jan Willem de Winter sound very french
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Jan Willem de Winter sound very french
Jan Willem de Winter (French: Jean Guillaume de Winter, 23 March 1761 – 2 June 1812) was a Dutch admiral during the Napoleonic Wars.
Traitor 
spring briar
ivory ridge
their superstructure looked a little funny
Pugliese Tower my beloved
spring briar
is that what it's called?
spiral cedar
The CT? Yeh
tough quail
the more you know
ivory ridge
technically that's just the cone inside
spiral cedar
Yeh
spring briar
how do we know this isn't just some myth like the shell quality stuff
ivory ridge
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/925474200083398716.gif?size=96&quality=lossles...
pesni leninu pojut
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Speaking of
Man it's sad Hms event didn't bring Mino
Really what they need is a great vanguard that's not PR
Dido and London, Javelin retro somewhat manages
Jervis helps a little I guess
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i dont think they know how this works
spring briar
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so true
delicate beacon
spiral cedar
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They stop existing if i close my eyes 
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<@194852183097737218>
Tfw you are so biased against smth you can’t even rank it among itself
ivory ridge
tho idk, lets give them the benefit of the doubt
maybe the only battleships they consider "top tier" are the Iowa and Yamato
which uh
still doesnt answer the question
because the question wasnt relative
but yknow
spiral cedar
The person’s answer is apparently the Duilio class
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maybe the only battleships they consider "top tier" are the Iowa and Yamato
Vanguard 
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based and ww1 pilled
spiral cedar
Gotta love the 21.5” belt
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Op by paper stats is this I guess
spiral cedar
Probably slightly more effective than liquid steel armor
night heart
hi
spiral cedar
Hello
spring briar
desert agate
wouldnt liquid steel melt the incoming shells?
ivory ridge
desert agate
get on my scientific level 9head
night heart
if alan turing didnt solve engima , i woudnt have to study coding right ?
spiral cedar
No, you would
night heart
chilly osprey
There were a, uh, lot more people involved than Mr. Turing
desert agate
real shame how turing was treated after the war
spiral cedar
Ah yes, that vital aspect of battleship classification. Secondary battery.
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get on my scientific level 9head
Giving Soyuz armor plates made out of depleted uranium, Titanium reinforced by pure carbon, metallic helium, and thousands of karat diamond. Covered with osmium. Then put under heavy pressure. 
desert agate
sir please
junior trench
desert agate
this is shitposting not a wet dream
tough quail
just fill the sides with bubblegum
desert agate
shells will bounce off horse youre a genius
ivory ridge
fill the sides with non newtonian fluids
tough quail
we're just going french now
manic latch
fill the sides with horsegirl fluid
chilly osprey
Giving Soyuz armor plates made out of depleted uranium, Titanium reinforced by p...
But then it all falls apart because it was made in the USSR
desert agate
just pick up the shells and throw them back at the enemy
chilly osprey
And only 10% of plate passes acceptance tests
desert agate
simple as
spiral cedar
https://tenor.com/view/black-black-punch-falcon-punch-big-punch-huge-punch-gif-1...
POV Marat
junior trench
And only 10% of plate passes acceptance tests
if it's 10% when working with steel, what happens if it's whatever that shit is?
spring briar
wouldnt liquid steel melt the incoming shells?
Make the armor out of bose einstein condensate. It will slow the shell down instantaneously, releasing all the energy it had as light, heat and sound which would create a 300 mile crater in the earth’s crust 
desert agate
amazing protection
ivory ridge
so true bestie
chilly osprey
if it's 10% when working with steel, what happens if it's whatever *that* shit i...
None of it, presumably
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<:ThinkO_O:634201496371724288>
Soviets wanted metal plates from US. Why you guys didn't sell it 
spiral cedar
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thought you guys loved open trade and such
chilly osprey
open trade
the trade is with Stalin
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>open trade
>the trade is with Stalin
Yes. It's called Open for a reason
desert agate
meanwhile in Australia sells iron ore to Imperial Japan
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And hey. Roosevelt was fine with it
chilly osprey
so you open his head with a Carcano? To save thousands of lives?
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~~so you open his head with a Carcano? To save thousands of lives?~~
you just make the painter stronger
tough quail
chilly osprey
meanwhile in Australia *sells iron ore to Imperial Japan*
Roma and Impero, built with some of the last large steel shipments Italy got from the US lol
desert agate
gentlemen please theres more than enough carcano rounds to go around
tough quail
my man
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Roma and Impero, built with some of the last large steel shipments Italy got fro...
Oi why Italy can get US steel tho
desert agate
spring briar
If only us built carcanos had the correct barrel diameter
tough quail
that's why the soviets were getting italy to build ships for them
desert agate
amerikkkastahl
chilly osprey
Apparently after 1920 you can buy shit from the US without the quality being buggered
delicate beacon
Britain is so stupid. They saw Bismarck and built Hood to counter it!@?!? They pickewd the right gun setup for once but they failed so hard copying Bismarcks armour and it showed because it got beaten by him in the Battle of Britain.
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Apparently after 1920 you can buy shit from the US without the quality being bug...
Should have finished Izmail sisters with that steel 
chilly osprey
thousand yard stare from ordering ships built in US yards in the 1860s
delicate beacon
Sorry just trying to imitate Quora.
tough quail
Britain is so stupid. They saw Bismarck and built Hood to counter it!@?!? They p...
put up a fucking warning before you post things like this
spring briar
Apparently after 1920 you can buy shit from the US without the quality being bug...
I mean it is said the quality of the bbs in the great white fleet was good?
tough quail
i saw my life flash before my eyes
delicate beacon
desert agate
*thousand yard stare from ordering ships built in US yards in the 1860s*
have you ever tried building a British ship in your own yards?
chilly osprey
*thousand yard stare from ordering ships built in US yards in the 1860s*
and then also issues with armor plate ordered for dreadnoughts
desert agate
7 fucking years for a CL
chilly osprey
Interestingly the RM only ever ordered one ironclad battleship from a British yard
desert agate
over 3 years for a destroyer
delicate beacon
7 fucking years for a CL
That's not bad.
desert agate
do
do not look up RCN Tribal class build times
chilly osprey
Versus two from the states and something like eight from France
And then everything else was ordered at home
spring briar
Blessed
spiral cedar
Now Bismarck and Hood only straddled with 5% of their salvos?
Bismarck only fired 11 full salvos (and 3 partial salvos), and PoW only fired 21 (partial) salvos, so how that would even add up to 5% is baffling. Also implies Bismarck straddled less than once yet scored 4-5 hits, while PoW straddled once and scored 3 hits
tough quail
they're just that good
desert agate
pretty sure that until the Hobarts were commissioned in 2017 HMAS Adelaide (1922) was the largest warship built in Australia
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Soviets
For US: Give us your armor plates. No? Then build us a BB with Mark 6 guns (so we can scrap her parts and remove guns for Soyuz). Also build us a destroyer leader if possible best you can offer
To France: Build us 450mm guns. Too busy? Damn
To British: Secret talks about a BB project. Didn't go through
To Italy: Fren 
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When did we ever ask the soviets for something tho
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To Germany: Give Bismarck, Zeppelin, Hipper blueprints, sell us 2? Hipper, give us lot of equipment and 380mm guns
delicate beacon
Is Strasbourg in AL
wow, picking a ship from your favourite faction you want. Don't be so picky.
desert agate
then 2014 happened
and the French still had to be dragged kicking and screaming out of the deal
by NATO
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and the French still had to be dragged kicking and screaming out of the deal
Sold it to Egypt. But paid the money back
They got honor there
While Turkey lost their 100 f35 money
ivory ridge
maybe turkey should just be less of a cunt then
spiral cedar
desert agate
and their F-35s got given to Greece lmfao
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and their F-35s got given to Greece lmfao
Wait they bought all 100?
chilly osprey
maybe turkey should just be less of a cunt then
Instructions unclear, inflation increased to 73.5%
spring briar
Funny thing is, when i visited saint nazaire in like 2013, the mistral in question was in port there
Was friggin massive
chilly osprey
LHDs are fat bois
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Funny thing is, when i visited saint nazaire in like 2013, the mistral in questi...
Vladivostok
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Turkey on their way to pull a pro gamer move after their yearly good action
tough quail
giving the f35s to GREECE was the fucking funniest thing ever
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also turks on the internet unironically thinking that they are the second most powerful force in NATO
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Vladivostok
tough quail
i think it genuinely would have been nicer to turkey to tell them they literally only exist diplomatically to keep russia away from the
than to give them to greece
desert agate
militarily weak but the Dardanelles give them huge political leigh way
desert agate
wow rude smh
ivory ridge
i saw a guy on twitter a couple of days ago saying that kicking turkey from nato would mean losing 50% of the power
tough quail
Vladivostok <:feelssadman:618571895926947860>
tough quail
turkey will defeat russia and china with their dollar store K2s built out of sheet metal
spring briar
India superpowa 2023
maiden citrus
i saw a guy on twitter a couple of days ago saying that kicking turkey from nato...
-map of the world-
nato at 100% power
-map of the world but turkey is missing-
nato at 1% power
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Poland buying every tank in existence
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Lewd
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What is hot dog code for 
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tough quail
it's polands fault for not buying leclercs when france was looking for production partners
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tough quail
when you look outside and you see a dumpy looking leo 2 with trophy installed upside down
remember
you did this
ivory ridge
dont worry they are gonna buy a single leclerc, challenger 2/3 and Ariete for their warthunder top tier collection
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dont worry they are gonna buy a single leclerc, challenger 2/3 and Ariete for th...
Ztz99A
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also ask ukraine to send a T-64 of each kind and an Oplot
and ask them for a couple of russian tanks
spring briar
The lower the number
The lower the number
Not a lot of T-14’s
A lot of T-72
(Doesn’t work above 72)
(Nor for t-55)
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also ask ukraine to send a T-64 of each kind and an Oplot
T-64BM Bulat
Likely most advanced T64 of existence
maiden citrus
Maka I had hot dogs today
amazing
spring briar
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~~and ask them for a couple of russian tanks~~
Only "new" thing they can get is T-90 tho
Poland already got shitload of T-72
Or as they call
PT-91
spring briar
Get India to return all the T-90’s
ivory ridge
rheinmetall pls
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Get India to return all the T-90’s
delicate beacon
A blast from the past.
delicate beacon
The Rhine is dutch
Nah, some of it is Swiss and French. 
spiral cedar
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Average Dubai police
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Who we fighting bois
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yes
delicate beacon
*rolls dice*
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the fucking doom buggy with 3 50 cals tho
spiral cedar
ffffffffffffffive inches again 
delicate beacon
We're fighting the Habsburgs of Spain rebelling against Swedish oppression in Hokkaido.
chilly osprey
a bunch of other cool stuff
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/6847211527397...
Obligatory
chilly osprey
though of the four DDs in the front row one is American and the other French
spring briar
~~though of the four DDs in the front row one is American and the other French~~
Fren(d)ch
delicate beacon
ffffffffffffffive inches again <:AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAtago:754171085720649810>
Meanwhile, in Navypedia's info on Dutch botes.
Just... why
30 degrees elevation AA gun...
spiral cedar
Gotta love confident wrongness
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rapid junco
maiden citrus
if germany had the resources to build 10 bismarcks I think we'd have bigger problems
spiral cedar
Turns out, you can claim anything if you just make your facts up!
rapid junco
spiral cedar
Tho I am sort of curious what a 25 lb 6” shell would look like 
spiral cedar
Second, the Bismarck used a “turtle” armor arraignment would not have stood up to the British 15″ shells.
Hmm…
No
comment
spiral cedar
Oh now Scharnhorst has 50 mm deck armor
maiden citrus
spiral cedar
All the stats in the world won’t help you when they’re wrong 
spiral cedar
What do I think? I think you know how to copy and paste out of a book, without actually any understanding what it means
7” “elsewhere” uh huh
Why is the armor deck a multiplication problem using feet
Also “deep” instead of “draught”
spring briar
F in chat for SS Arctic, which managed to turn a lifeboat full of frenchmen to paste with its paddle wheel
And then sank
And a shoutout to her sistership SS Pacific disappearing
frigid karma
Turns out, you can claim anything if you just make your facts up!
drach moment
fervent bobcat
Or if you shower your opponent in insults
tough quail
<:MurmCursed:971497656201392248>
im fucking sorry
????
i know i made a big deal about the carabinieri alfas but a fucking huracan costs nearly 8x as much as a giulia
that's a three hundred thousand euro cop car
ivory ridge
kek
tough quail
oh its for
...
organ transplant delivery
they sped some dudes kidney to him in two hours over err
300 miles
ivory ridge
yeah, emergency operations
tough quail
yeah i read at least one of them crashed
but i havent seen the actual aftermath or details
ivory ridge
tough quail
now that is a motherfucking L a m b o r g h i n i M o m e n t™️
of course it's a mercedes that collided with it too
ivory ridge
The Lamborghini supplied to the Bologna traffic police, on display from Thursday at the Student Hall in Cremona, was destroyed in an accident in Cremona. The 'bolide' in fact crashed into parked cars to avoid a car that would have cut its way. The two officers on board were not seriously injured. The car, 5,000 displacement, was preceded by another police car, headed for Castelvetro Piacentino to take the motorway and return to Bologna. However, a car came out of a petrol station, cutting off the agents' road. To avoid this, the Lamborghini driver swerved to the right and crashed into two parked cars. The two officers aboard the Lamborghini were not seriously injured: the driver suffered the crushing of a vertebra and the fracture of a rib, the other only bruises.
google translate so uh
not the best quality TL
tough quail
this does genuinely answer a question i had
of if the like
super low wedge shape would act like a ramp
seems it does
ivory ridge
lmao
tough quail
anyway italy continues to be based
i just spent like 40 minutes talking to be vae about shit to see when we go to monza next year
dapper parcel
> crushing of a vertebra
> no serious injuries
the fuck? 
spiral cedar
He has spares 
ivory ridge
sono rimasti feriti in modo non grave
it's more like
"feriti gravi" when reporting means like
very very seriously
like unconscious type of injuries
tho im trying to understand if in this particular case is just a result of mistranslation
ivory ridge
tho im trying to understand if in this particular case is just a result of mistr...
it probably is
cuz from what im seeing this wasnt a fracture
it's just an impact on the nerve
so yeah, not a severe injury
now for something less
uh
painful
maiden citrus
spiral cedar
Bagnasco 
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Spot the problem here...
speling hard
eternal veldt
Either way, more IJN ships added to my shit list
fierce sparrow
KF51... better than "Panther MBT" name on it.
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sex
eternal veldt
In March 1942 Dutch prisoners were gathered together at Kota Radja shortly after the fall of the NEI. They were loaded aboard sloops, which the IJN then towed out to sea. Once a considerable distance from the shore, the guards began shooting the bound Dutch prisoners, and throwing them dead or wounded into the sea where all of them perished. When Tarakan fell to Japanese forces in January 1942, local Dutch forces were herded aboard a Japanese light cruiser, which took them to the spot where a Japanese destroyer had been fired on during the battle. Japanese naval officers and NCOs then set about beheading the unfortunate prisoners in such a ritualistic way probably stems from the loss of face Nagumo’s fleet had suffered in attempting to sink one single little American destroyer. The IJN often took out its frustrations upon those enemy soldiers, sailors and airmen unfortunate enough to fall into its clutches.
ivory ridge
which bote
ivory ridge
dapper parcel
``` In March 1942 Dutch prisoners were gathered together at Kota Radja shortly a...
I don't think Nagumo even ever commanded a landing operation, or that any of his ship diverted into such operation. He was high seas carrier admiral through and through.
spiral cedar
``` In March 1942 Dutch prisoners were gathered together at Kota Radja shortly a...
Sounds like a Tone thing to do
TONE sinks British freighter SS BEHAR. She takes aboard 108 captives, but four die.
15 March 1944:
Arrives at at Batavia. Disembarks 32 POWs.
18 March 1944:
Departs Batavia. Aboard AOBA en route to Singapore, ComCruDiv 16, Rear Admiral Sakonjo Naomasa (former CO of SETTSU) orders the remaining 72 captives beheaded. [4]```
—Tone TROM2 years later
And Brit
eternal veldt
I'm reading that chapter right now
It's actually fucking horrible
The XO pleaded for the 100 men to be released at Batavia, managed to save 30 souls, even challenged the admiral and defied orders
Tone's CO doesn't give a shit and the Admiral on board the Aoba is the real cunt - ordered all of them to be executed
maiden citrus
eternal veldt
XO's the only "good" apple of the bunch, but was guilt ridden for not doing hard enough to save the remaining 70 men.
fierce sparrow
cinder escarp
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/707330449428709377/982348231688224838/unk...
The fact they changed it to KF51 means it is just this.
KFXX is the Lynx family nomenclature
ivory ridge
i get that like
the TAM is literally called "medium Argentinian tank"
but it's a light tank
so uh
yeah
dapper parcel
I had to check OTO for possibility for some weird acquisition
ivory ridge
Like unless they are talking about the bofors specifically
But even then, "american"
tepid mulch
Actual question that's been on my mind for some time now
How did outdoor BBQ culture came to be in the US and Australia
fierce sparrow
BBQ culture in Australia?
eternal veldt
Got to the I-8 part of war crimes, just absolute pain
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~~Got to the I-8 part of war crimes, just absolute pain~~
Any cannibalism by the ijn?
I know the ija practiced a substantial bit of it, but I’m not sure about the ijn
eternal veldt
Haven't seen anything yet
but fucking hell, marching survivors off to the sub's stern, then shoot them/beat them in the head until they fall and let the prop blades kill them
This is next level fucked
frigid karma
This is next level fucked
Yknow
We Chinese give the Japanese a lot of shit for their war crimes against China in shanghai and nanking but
If you look at Chinese history we do said war crimes on the time to each other
eternal veldt
That doesn't fucking justify Japanese war crimes in a totally different period and context.
frigid karma
It doesn’t
eternal veldt
In an age bound by "treaties" in which Japan blatantly violates.
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It’s just funny how Chinese people always be getting the short end of the stick
Whether by the Japanese or by themselves 
eternal veldt
It's almost as if conflicts are bound to happen when you have multiple ethnicities living together and literally having kingdoms trying to kill each other off every 2-3 years.
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It's almost as if conflicts are bound to happen when you have multiple ethniciti...
A poem, if you will
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It's almost as if conflicts are bound to happen when you have multiple ethniciti...
"the death toll is reputed to have been enormous, possibly one million out of a total provincial population of three million, before he was eventually killed by the Manchus."[35] The combination of deaths from the massacres and other causes as well as flight of people from the province resulted in a sharp drop in the population of Sichuan. The population has been estimated to have dropped by as much as 75%, with fewer than a million people left in Sichuan, most of whom were clustered in the periphery areas
eternal veldt
Yes, I've read that
frigid karma
Also China is mostly Han ethnicity, with the occasional sprinkle of mongols in the north
eternal veldt
It's also unfortunately an urban legend
junior trench
have you gotten to the fate of captured pilots at Midway yet
junior trench
have you also heard about Yuudachi and Murakumo's shit
eternal veldt
Machine gunning survivors of Little, you mean?
eternal veldt
I wish I have the courage to scrap Yudachi like you did.
junior trench
as her other exploits are all made up
maiden citrus
least moral faction at sea challenge
remote monolith
It's almost as if conflicts are bound to happen when you have multiple ethniciti...
Honestly I'm curious, how many of the hundred thousand number battles in pre-modern China could be historically attested and how many are pure exaggerations
eternal veldt
The problem is that the records can be unreliable
remote monolith
because logistically wise they would have to be scouring State sized areas for food every time they move if the number are consistently above 200,000
eternal veldt
Sima Qian's records, for example, were influenced due to being made during the Han Dynasty
remote monolith
ah him, he was the person that was humiliated and castrated in court, and his response was to make said records right
eternal veldt
Yes.
Others, like the three kingdoms, were exaggerated and romanticised quite a bit
(Thus Romance of the Three Kingdoms)
remote monolith
and yeah I agree, first hand records are, well, unreliable since obviously everyone wants to exaggerate their or their enemy's numbers for propaganda value
eternal veldt
And then there's the folklore records
spiral cedar
History for the sake of conveying a point, rather than accuracy
eternal veldt
For example, I mentioned before that the pronunciation of January was altered due to censorship during the Qin Dynasty
frigid karma
@spiral cedar most sources place the time of the five minutes of fate at midway at 10:22 am, but what time zone is this?
spiral cedar
Probably local
strong plank
what do people usually mark as the start of those 5 minutes?
I thought Yorktown and Enterprise's dive bombers converged on the Japanese fleet around 10:00?
frigid karma
I thought Yorktown and Enterprise's dive bombers converged on the Japanese fleet...
10:22 is whe the runs start
so tmrw at 2:22 pm pst is exactly 80 years from the five minutes of fate
desert agate
I found a nuclear submarine
zealous vine
what is arguably the most effective heavy AA gun used by the IJN?
spring briar
460 mm with sanshiki shells
zealous vine
big = good, got it
spring briar
no it was terrible
anyways their most effective AA gun was arguably the 100mm
the one used on the Akizuki class
dapper parcel
Type 98 was as good as you can get gun-wise
Of course there's shell fuzing and director still needed
zealous vine
no it was terrible
ofc, it was sarcasm
dapper parcel
heavy AA
spring briar
I bet you can't lift the 20mm type 98
zealous vine
whats second to the 100mm?
dapper parcel
What's the common delineation anyway?
< 2" light
2"-3" medium
> 4" heavy?
spring briar
humble mulch
I thought it was like
dapper parcel
40mm is undoubtedly medium tho
spring briar
aa
humble mulch
Yeah lmao 40mm and up is heavy to me
Fuck even 20mm is pretty big all things considered
spring briar
my headcanon is
sub 40 mm: light
40mm - 76mm: medium
76 m - : heavy
humble mulch
Yeah that's generally what I use when I wanna encompass everything
Was trying it out
But then had to ask
dapper parcel
20mm is peashooter as far as the navy is concerned
humble mulch
Cause a 105mm howitzer gets labeled as a medium arty in almost every game I play so wanted to make sure
Well yes, on naval platforms due to them being able to have larger guns into quite small
dapper parcel
Heck, I'd classify 20mm as emotional support weapon
Just to give crews something to shoot with and giving the illusion of doing something
humble mulch
But, my brain goes to how a 20mm canon in planes during the time were quite poggers
And that counts as AA
And yeah I do agree with that, what's it called like a placebo?
As long as you believe its gonna help you it can maybe
humble mulch
Had the horrible idea of bring a 20mm orlikcon to an airport as my emotial support animal
Me: I have it's papers and everything. It has to go on the plane with me
TSA:
zealous vine
Thanks yall
humble mulch
Now I don't know much on German AA outside like
38mm things and up, but they did have their own 20mm aa gun right? Or did they use a 13.7mm one? Or both
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they had 20mm
humble mulch
OK good
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38mm they did not have
humble mulch
Wait
I forgot I knew that
Tried printing some for the uboats I made, but they decided to be historical accurate and be horrible prints
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37mm yes
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tell that to the soldier who got a piece of the barrel stuck in his chest after it burst
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it's a very old caliber
humble mulch
German calibers are just
Weird to me
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37mm is a french caliber
humble mulch
Oh
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Soviet 37mm 
humble mulch
So it's quite an old caliber then
humble mulch
That looks cute
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Soviet twin 37mm
humble mulch
What are those like
Horn looking things with the rods
I'm assuming they rotate and do elevation?
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What are those like
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I'm assuming they rotate and do elevation?
Should be yeah. Not really good with all their functions
humble mulch
Ah on thought so
I've made like
Models for every nation outside the USSR aa/arty/at gun wise and that just looked very out of place in comparison to other stuff jve seen
humble mulch
Is that french?
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yes
eternal veldt
@maiden citrus
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Do it actually have 90⁰ elevation?
close to
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I like it
What about the quad 37mm? Was designed for Soyuz and Kronshtadt class. But only prototype was used on Gangut
humble mulch
Neat
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dunno why you'd want to shoot at 90°
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37mm is a french caliber
1.5'' baguette
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<@125445797448908800>
a nice photo for sure
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since eath's rotation does not allow for minecraft style arrow suicide
except on the north and south poles
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When you melt your barrels after 250 rounds
humble mulch
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curious that you say that silver
since the US attempted the same with new shells that were pre-rifled
humble mulch
I love that emote
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Im more just poking fun at the high rpm and barrel wear if anything.
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humble mulch
Also how does 250 rounds kill the barrel of an aa gun
humble mulch
Like, to much force from the round? Or is it cause the high rpm and no cool down time?
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165 rpm according to navweaps. Also, I misremembered, it's 600 rounds.
2 minutes of continuous fire.
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165 rpm according to navweaps. Also, I misremembered, it's 600 rounds.
basically tea, they combined high RPM and high MV
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Too many murms
humble mulch
Ah I see
Romanias umm
Very much pulled a France with their AT guns in that regard
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Soviet naval calibers goes like (projects and proposals included)
AA
25mm
30mm
37mm
45mm
57mm
Destroyer
76mm
85mm
100mm
102mm
130mm
Cruiser
152mm
155mm
180mm
210mm
220mm
240mm
250mm
254mm
Big girls
305mm
356mm
400mm
406mm
450mm
456mm
457mm
460mm
500mm
530mm
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that's not a lot
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Richy show me this version for French
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I'll do it for heavy calibers
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humble mulch
sad Romania noises
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305,330,340,380,406,431, on top of my head.
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305,330,340,380,406,431, on top of my head.
Rip 450mm
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Not sure if 45cm was included for any project, Riche is more informed.
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humble mulch
Was the Soviet 530mm actually made or just planned?
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Was the Soviet 530mm actually made or just planned?
Just a random proposal. Only naval gun that was made of that scale was 533mm by Germans of that large
And Germans made for...testing?
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Just a random proposal. Only naval gun that was made of that scale was 533mm by ...
No, planned for H-45 KMS Führer, clearly.
With 800mm Schwerer Gustav as secbat.
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No, planned for H-45 KMS Führer, clearly.
Not 800mm smh
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@humble mulch http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_21-52_gerat36.php
Here
German 533mm
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25mm
37mm
40mm
47mm
57mm
65mm
75mm
76mm
80mm
90mm
95mm
100mm
102mm
105mm
120mm
130mm
135mm
138mm
140mm
145mm
150mm
152mm
155mm
164mm
194mm
200mm
203mm
220mm
234mm
240mm
270mm
274mm
280mm
285mm
293mm
305mm
320mm
330mm
340mm
370mm
380mm
400mm
406mm
420mm
431mm
450mm
520mm
840mm
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I missed a lot of stuff
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25mm
37mm
40mm
47mm
57mm
65mm
75mm
76mm
80mm
90mm
95mm
100mm
102mm
105mm
120mm
1...
840mm?
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yes
to test the effect of increasing shell caliber
I forgot to add 57mm
fixed
I love the random 533 that the germans built
never took any pictures of it
just vanished
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Ship disasters in the late 1800's be like:
mf's who can swim: 
🏊♂️
mf's who can't swim: 
humble mulch
Pretty sure that's applicable well into the 1940s
spring briar
Yes but its especially prevalent then
maiden citrus
far more people could swim and were encouraged to be able to swim by then
I actually think you had to know how to swim iirc, but could be wrong
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``` In March 1942 Dutch prisoners were gathered together at Kota Radja shortly a...
alpine onyx
No issue for non-swimmers if you just operate in the Baltic
Can walk away from the sinking ship if need be
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calvary captures the ice-locked fleet
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"Blest screen"
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Well well
So Vikrant will be commissioned in this August
Should use Mig-29K until F-18 purchase is done
If it happens that is
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rafale
F
Hey at least PANG will carry Rafale Ms rich
Until they get replaced with next generation
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I hate American foreign policy I hate American foreign policy I hate American foreign policy I hate American foreign policy I hate American foreign policy
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Same
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Maybe try having better defence exports than the competition then
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Rafael fans explaining how its in any way a better platform than the Super or Classic F/A-18 
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The Supers are the best carrier born 4.5gen naval aircraft in service with anyone
shrewd pecan
STOBAR launching super hornets just seems
wrong
thing is so sluggish compared to other 4th gens
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guessing significant compromises to payload and fuel load to achieve that
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Not like the Rafael is any better suited to STOBAR operations
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STOBAR in general just sucks unless you have a aircraft built for it in mind from the ground up
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India will get F-35bs or something in 10 years probably
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guessing significant compromises to payload and fuel load to achieve that
Very likely
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I doubt India's getting F-35B
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The quad is only getting stronger and closer
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the geopolitics and its relations with Russia don't really allow for that
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Or they'll develop their own vtol
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yeah good luck at that
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India got S-400. Would be another slap to Turkey if they get 35
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They won't be getting modern Russian jets any time soon
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Indian VTOL sounds like 30 years of development hell followed up by a lackluster aircraft
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I really doubt they'd ever get F-35 without a major shift which I doubt India is going to make
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They won't be getting modern Russian jets any time soon
They left the Su 57 program for their own fighter. They will likely not buy any fifth gen
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They left the SU-57 because it's a shitty program lmfao
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Yeah F35 program gone much smoothly huh
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I really doubt they'd ever get F-35 without a major shift which I doubt India is...
They're already making it
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<:hmm:886726902449045534> Yeah F35 program gone much smoothly huh
F-35s operational
Su-57 will never be nor will the Su-75
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F-35s operational
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holy fuck just accept that the F-18 super horny is not the best
India got scammed by the US
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Difference is there's over 2000 F-35s in active service
Compared to 6 completed SU-57s
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What
shrewd pecan
man we paid F-35 costs for the F-14 back in the 80s
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man we paid F-35 costs for the F-14 back in the 80s
Yeah heard about that one
shrewd pecan
high aircraft costs + trouble development is nothing new
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Bro the F/A-18F is an exceptional program that's leagues above literally any equivalents
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no
it's not "leagues above"
wheeze
that's not how the aircraft industry works
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no
Australian Government purchased 75 A and B variants of the F/A-18 in 1981 to replace the RAAF's Dassault Mirage III fighters.
So we can see why Spon likes F18
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I mean ofc it is because australia had them
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The Mirage is a 3rd gen lmfao
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I'm asking him not to let that cloud his judgement
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And it was a good platform for its time
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👁️ tho the F-18 is the inferior American 4th gen out of the 4
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I'm not
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If F18 is that good. Why many purchased F16 instead
shrewd pecan
its a decent aircraft but in terms of airframes
F-14 (NOT THE F-14A), F-16 and F-15 excel over it
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The F-15EX is better now but it's not carrier operated
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F-14 (NOT THE F-14A), F-16 and F-15 excel over it
so why buy F18 if there is 16
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in the 80s it had some capabilities the F-16 didn't receive until later
like default sparrow integration
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shrewd pecan
even if its the worse out of the 4 doesn't mean its a bad aircraft as well
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Yeah an F-16 might be better than a classic Hornet but not a Super Hornet
Also single engine
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Also single engine
F35 worse than F18 now?
gilded girder
F-14 (NOT THE F-14A), F-16 and F-15 excel over it
Wait. I just realized
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it also has a superior short take off capability
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F-17s the F-18
gilded girder
The what
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Where F-17?
who
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F-35 single engine is a criticism
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gilded girder
Mfs skipped a number 😔
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But the F-35 is still an exceptional platform with a single engine
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F1 on land
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was enlarged for the navy and became the F-18
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And looking at loss rates F-35 vs F-16
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night ops
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idk once you get the F-14B its a excellent aircraft it just costs a crapton
tho maybe the F-14D wasn't the program that should of gotten the axe when LCS and Zumwalt was on the table
👁️ tho that's with the benefit of hindsight
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idk once you get the F-14B its a excellent aircraft it just costs a crapton
Imagine if US give it a go for F-22's naval variant with swept wings
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And again Super Hornets are vastly better platforms than an F-16
shrewd pecan
navy never wanted the naval F-22
again the F-14 was already super expensive and hard to maintain
only reason why they were in the program was to get USAF funding for their own programs
then the airforce withdrew from the A-12 program
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shrewd pecan
thing they actually wanted
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Ah 70s wing sweep systems
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basically the navy had everyone of its fucking aircraft programs fail and were left with only the super hornet
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If it weren't for the maintenance intensity of the wing sweep system the RAAF would have kept the F-111
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shrewd pecan
F-14D honestly would of been okay to keep especially if it means axing the LCSs
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So what are the things F-18 Super Horny has over Rafale M
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tho again that's with the benefit of hindsight knowing how Zumwalt and LCS went down
the ideal US navy would of just made a aegis OHP and a upscale burke with the Zumwalt radar set to meet its needs
idk its a shame honestly what happened to Zumwalt
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idk its a shame honestly what happened to Zumwalt
It's the curse of +150mm naval guns
It always fails some reason
But everyone wants it
shrewd pecan
depends honestly
as much as I used to shit on it
you could of made it work with just reducing it to 1 gun per ship
and giving it a wider ammo set to supplement the more expensive guided rounds
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Well. Wonder what they will do with guns now
shrewd pecan
other issue is Zumwalt probably needed
several more years in development before they built her
her capability got boiled down due to cuts in key parts of her radar set
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I thought Navy was in rush to replace Burkes
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Supers carry more armament, better targeting system, more hardpoints, better range
shrewd pecan
Zumwalt wasn't a Burke replacement
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Not sure about radar
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ideally she would of been a Ticon replacement
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Zumwalt wasn't a Burke replacement
Didn't Burke construction stopped but continue when Zumwalt cancelled
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idk she was just a Burke successor more than anything
beyond that navy basically has 3 ships with boiled down capability
and are trying to decide what to do with them
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idk Gerald R Ford is a innovation on a already existing concept
gilded girder
Yeah uhh
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24? New technology on a single platform
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Zumwalt is a reimagining of the the idea of the destroyer
gilded girder
Hard to fuck on what's a proven template
shrewd pecan
there's a reason why she failed
gilded girder
Instead of reinventing a Nimitz
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Well Ford has less crew
New catapults
New toilets?
Uhh
New elevators for ammo
New radars
Potential ability to carry future planes in mind
New reactor
Oh yeah. Uss Enterprise will be much better
Gerald's mistakes learned will be apply on it
And they will use new method for construction
Forget it's name
Here this guy explained it
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people kinda forget
the pure amount of teething issues both enterprise and Nimitz went through as well
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the pure amount of teething issues both enterprise and Nimitz went through as we...
Tho I have honest complaint
Gerald's failure to use F-35
That's just damn weird
shrewd pecan
she has to be upgraded for it
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That Nimitz can launch but Ford cant
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I don't think Nimitz has F-35C capability herself
tho some of the Nimitz class carriers have been upgraded for it
John F Kennedy is gonna have it so
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I think it's problem with catapults
Where steam can handle the weight but Electromagnetic cant
shrewd pecan
they should be able to
junior trench
beyond that navy basically has 3 ships with boiled down capability
???
Zumwalt was a Spruance replacement
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how wonderful it is as that
junior trench
Excellent
junior trench
It was never supposed to have BMD
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it was, until it got cut
cinder escarp
The old PP slides do indeed show BMD
With the SPY-3/SPY-4 dual band radar suite
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@spring briar
cinder escarp
Please don't overtax the poor SPY-3 any more
She's had to take on all of the SPY-4's search tasks and the illuminator's task of missile guidance illumination. (The flush mounted CW illuminator for ZumZum was canned)
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ESSM only loadout
idk once they rip out her 155s for hypersonic tubes suppose she'll have a use assuming they ever do that
junior trench
?
cinder escarp
build ultra bespoke 155s with speciaux sneauflake ammo
only order small amounts of ammo
can ammo for unit cost being too high
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she's already one of the best ASW ships in the fleet
chilly osprey
Zumwalt was meant to be a Sprucan replacement, but generally a more multirole ship than the Sprucan's ever were.
However, the USN recognized in the 2000s that this was no longer a viable idea, as what the fleet needed more than anything else to deal with the rising threat of the PLAN was a hell of a lot more AAW escorts, which is why they cut the Zumwalt's and restarted Burke production.
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ZumZum had a very long and tortured history
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4.2 billion dollars a ship really should be buying you more than just ASW capability and ground attack capability
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Had she been built to original spec, she'd still be great
shrewd pecan
indeed
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4.2 billion dollars a ship really should be buying you more than just ASW capabi...
Fully loading Zumwalt with 155mm shells cost 2.5 bil right.
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But that's a story for a time when I'm not having to bukisleep
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idk I’m just accepting the fact I’m living off of 4 hours of sleep today
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Sleep deprived gang
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well, [EXPLETIVES REDACTED]
why the [REDACTED] brushing into Isidore of Kiev during my idle research on Conquest/Fall of Constantinople trips a switch in my head that wants Kyiv ASMR (think the official ones Ayanami and Hipper have)
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why the [REDACTED] brushing into Isidore of Kiev during my idle research on Conq...
What
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(Isidore was an eyewitness of much of the Siege and snuck out during the early hours of the fateful Black Tuesday after he was wounded earlier in the day, btw.)
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why the [REDACTED] brushing into Isidore of Kiev during my idle research on Conq...
You mean Kiev ASMR?
desert agate
Are you high?
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'you' being?