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#history
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You're welcome
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alpine onyx
Thanks Drach
manic latch
>watching Perun's video about corruption
>checks the comments
>
Brits gonna Brit
Need to ask
If quality control was horrible
Then how did they know it had bad AP
somber knoll
TIL that Gun Jesus has a fetish for the 7.65 French Long 
spring briar
you learnt that JUST today?
dapper parcel
Is it even surprising that he fetish anything French
somber knoll
haven't checked his previous 7.65 pistols videos 
spring briar
he wrote a book on french rifle development
his most famous meme is
"you got any 32 french long?"
somber knoll
Is it even surprising that he fetish anything French
I mean, He shot a Famas F1 with glee and I just knew it after a couple of videos in when I first watched him.
dapper parcel
His Chaucat videos are legendary
spring briar
any automatic rifle that isn't the LA85 a1
somber knoll
Anyone who enjoys shooting the LA85 is a confirmed masochist.
spring briar
depends on the version
dapper parcel
HK version doesn't count
somber knoll
indeed, and when it's done right, well
roll the MurmFrench
dapper parcel
Still waiting for someone to casually dust off a Ribeyrolles from the attic
somber knoll
soon ™️
spring briar
and gewehr 98 vs lebel as well
somber knoll
The MAT-49 is chambered in 9x19mm, and has a wire stock as well as a foldable magazine well, which allowed for easy carry. The magwell also doubles as a foregrip; someone must have noted how many soldiers during the last war often held the Sten or MP 40 by the magazine
spring briar
manic latch
what
You know like
He implies Italians had bad AP because their quality control was incompetent
But he also says that incompetence caused them to say AP was great
spring briar
bad quality control simply induces more bad AP shells to enter the ships
manic latch
Then who learned AP was horrible
manic latch
bad quality control simply induces more bad AP shells to enter the ships
Ok who learns that AP was bad
spring briar
some AP shells are just bad
that's how it is in a factory
that's why in a milk factory they have a light box to inspect the bottles before they are filled
dapper parcel
End user as the last line of quality control isn't something new tbf
somber knoll
also Lebel vs Mauser reliability test when
Lebel vs Mauser vs Mosin when
spring briar
QC control prevents bad AP from getting to the ships
bad AP shells happen from time to time due to the sorta uncontrolled way these things are made
you can make it as controlled as possible but bad shells will always be produced once in a while
delicate beacon
Geweer 95 
junior trench
~~HK version doesn't count~~
The HK version of the L85 is a fucking weirdo who infected the 416 with its internal dimensions
And resulted in the 416/M27 (and L85, via that connection) being the only AR I know of where using a P-MAG or blue follower GI mag doesn't fix the issue of M855A1's presented angle to the breech face from the magazine
So it's only the HK rifles where the exposed steel tip is still chasing problems
And it's probably why the Brits resorted to their brainy ass new round
spring briar
m885a1 has a tin bismuth alloy under the steel tip iirc
spring briar
or is it just solid copper now?
spring briar
makes sense, the copper is a bit more dense
junior trench
And then circa 2013-2014 the pressure thing stopped being an issue
Because the powder burn rate got finalized
Which is also why you don't really see any major improvement by moving to barrels longer than 14.5"
spring briar
but the tin bismuth was a intermediate measure for ease of testing until they had everything figured out?
junior trench
I guess
spring briar
the melting point it really low so it would probably be a lot easier and cheaper to just form the copper jacket around the penetrator and then just pour in the tin bismuth before crimping it
that and bismuth is probably not that friendly to the users
junior trench
And on the previous point.
961 m/s from a 20" barrel for M855A1
910 m/s from a 14.5" barrel for M855A1
856 m/s from a 20" barrel for DM11
851 m/s from a 20" barrel for GP90
948 m/s from a 20" barrel for SS109
You get an extra 50 m/s from a whole additional 5.5" of barrel
Which... Isn't all that much afaik
spring briar
it isn't relatively but at that velocity even an additional 50 m/s is a lot
dunno if they consider it enough to justify the 20"
spring briar
make the last 5.5" a hybrid steel/carbon fiber barrel for that extra spicy toxic smoke formation
chilly osprey
Should anyone ever ask what the difference between late Italian ACRs and Pre-dreadnoughts was...
The answer appears to be 'about 50mm'
chilly osprey
I mean, they're the only late Italian pre-dreadnoughts to compare too XD
The joke is more how much those two types converged, for the RM
manic latch
<a:InaBufferA:756863495630225428>
That's the spirit Undef. People look up to you. You really give Tony Soprano wibes time to time which makes your character unique. Not the typical AL discord user who is a big pile of lust and current day humour.
spring briar
I always found the really heavily armed ACR's weird
like
what were they gonna fight?
chilly osprey
I can't answer to Russian doctrine, but for the Japanese, they were basically a way to have a 'fast wing', and for Italy, it was a way to respond to large numbers of enemy armored cruisers they had to deal with.
And, to be honest, they also offered pretty effective counters to many of the older Austrian pre-dreadnoughts, many of which were of quite modest dimensions and fighting capacity.
spring briar
makes sense
since at least for ACR vs ACR, the 210, 203 and 194 are still gonna do work despite not being 254's or 234's
manic latch
I can't answer to Russian doctrine, but for the Japanese, they were basically a ...
Russian ACRS were designed against British as potential enemy
Making Long cruise to destroy enemy commercial vessels
Guess somewhat like Scharn, spee
spring briar
Rurik really showed how effective having only 2 twin big turrets were for her /s
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Rurik really showed how effective having only 2 twin big turrets were for her /s
Remove 254mm for even more 203mm? 
chilly osprey
In the context of the RM specifically, it's also worth recalling that their pre-dreadnought force's early members were pretty badly hampered by budget issues. Ex, the E. Filiberto/Saint Bon were hobbled by the whole 'you will build your battleship on 8,000 tons' thing (they ended up being a bit over 10k tons full load), and produced battleships of mediocre speed (18 knots) and protection (250mm Harveyized plate) and an underwhelming armament (4x 254mm, 8x 152mm).
The follow-on R. Margherita/Brin-class didn't suffer the same restriction and were thus larger and much more heavily armed (305/203/152), as well as faster (20 knots), but actually had thinner protection (150mm Harveyized) due to a focus on protecting against QF guns and ignoring larger calibers. Not really a fantastic option to stand in the line of battle against larger units.
The RM adopted KC-type armor in the middle of building the Regina Elena's, and thus the four big ACR's (Pisa and San Giorgio-classes) had much better protection relative to the older battleships, as by the time they were built KC-type armor was the norm.
manic latch
In the context of the RM specifically, it's also worth recalling that their pre-...
"Focus against QF guns and ignoring large calibers"
Did Italy also got Tsushima syndrome?
dapper parcel
I always found the really heavily armed ACR's weird
I find the entirety of 20 knot era cruisers weird in general. The doctrine being indistinct that often I simply see them as battleships with lighter but faster firing guns
ivory ridge
Italy considered the ACRs second rate BBs so
dapper parcel
Heavily armed one isn't as weird as the heavily armored one
chilly osprey
"Focus against QF guns and ignoring large calibers"
Did Italy also got Tsushima...
They were pre-Tsushima ships
manic latch
Interesting
tribal mortar
Speaking of Tsushima.
manic latch
So Italians got afraid of potential of QF earlier than others?
tribal mortar
Are Avrora and Mikasa the oldest ships in Azur Lane?
tribal mortar
Which one?
tribal mortar
Hmm.
desert agate
hai tien
tribal mortar
She's the oldest ship in Azur Lane?
tough quail
they had to reach back real far, yeah
tough quail
laid down a year before avrora
spring briar
Like when you build an ACR, atleast keep your armament somewhat consistent
manic latch
On 11 September 1911, she was the first Imperial Chinese Navy vessel in American waters
"First"
dapper parcel
they had to reach back real far, yeah
On the other end of the spectrum An Shan retrofit was basically 1970s 
spring briar
Should anyone ever ask what the difference between late Italian ACRs and Pre-dre...
Scharnhorst with 8 210's and 6 150's...
might as well do 14 210's
oh wait
chilly osprey
lol
Honestly, mixing 203mm and 152mm on the same ship always seemed like a bad idea to me
chilly osprey
Mmm. Because, tbh, mixing 194mm and 164.7mm, as on the older ships, is also questionable
ivory ridge
Honestly, mixing 203mm and 152mm on the same ship always seemed like a bad idea ...
what about 254s and 152s
manic latch
What was the point of having main guns on sides instead middle? Did navies expected enemies to appear from both sides at same time?
spring briar
yes
ivory ridge
WoWs Napoli moment
spring briar
luckily they only did that on one and a half classes
or made the 194 the secondaries and the 164's the mains
honestly idk what would be worse
the 210's and 150's or 234's and 190's
manic latch
honestly idk what would be worse
the 210's and 150's or 234's and 190's
150 and 130mm
chilly osprey
honestly idk what would be worse
the 210's and 150's or 234's and 190's
I mean, FWIW the latter can work - Averoff was literally just a Pisa with 234mm instead of 254mm, and she certainly gave the Ottoman's hell
Just, I wouldn't recommend it.
spring briar
Averof didn't really use her 190's tho did she?
chilly osprey
I actually haven't seen much in the way of detail in that regard. Do you know of any good detailed accounts of those actions?
dapper parcel
It wasn't that weird when there was often quite the difference in the handling between the caliber
Usually between multiple bag vs single bag or cased charge, screw vs sliding breech, manual vs powered ram, manhandled vs assisted, etc
delicate beacon
I'm so grateful with Edgar Quintet's uniform 194's
*mixes 19cms with 15cms*
ivory ridge
spring briar
I'm just concerned for the fall of shot spotting
does anyone here even have any info on San Giorgio's accuracy
since Rurik doesn't have any hits to look at and I want to know how good this style of ACR was
and or some info on Italian shell performance since I don't trust Vickers
chilly osprey
I don't recall ever seeing any complaints on the accuracy of the guns
spring briar
no gunnery test data?
tough quail
is there another good source for deep load displacements that isnt a ballache now that navypedia is down
chilly osprey
no gunnery test data?
I'm sure it exists, just, I don't think I've ever seen any published
spring briar
you can access navypedia via the waybackmachine
chilly osprey
Unfortunately information on the performance of specific armaments from the WWI-era is quite hard to come by
chilly osprey
Though, FWIW, the 10" guns proved quite adept at scaring off British Town-class CLs from trying to be too gun-ho about bombarding Tobruk
spring briar
10" guns and light cruisers usually don't mix I'd say
did the Italians use newly made shells in San Giorgio?
chilly osprey
I don't believe so
dapper parcel
Tho be careful interpreting such engagement since there's quite a difference between actual combat concern vs not wanting to take avoidable risk
spring briar
I'm pretty convinced of the risk here
dapper parcel
I mean, the brits have the option of not taking the risk here
spring briar
speaking of risk
I literally said that Danton could take Dreadnought at <12 km range between 1911 and 1915 in Drach's server and I did not get death threats
chilly osprey
I don't think they thought such heavy guns were in the area. The first response to the attempted bombardment was from patrolling minesweepers, which decided to respond with their 76mm guns. The British assumed these were coastal batteries and engaged them, putting a hole in one that forced it to beach, and then San Giorgio entered the party and before long straddled the British cruisers, inflicting some splinter damage. At that point, they decided to disengage.
chilly osprey
Sitting in port
spring briar
reference to my point on keeping the edgar quintets around
well
disregarding the fact that France has turreted 340mm coastal batteries with ~35 km range
chilly osprey
Probably more relevant to look at the state of the defenses in French North African ports, since San Giorgio was more meant as a mobile battery to boost defenses at more poorly equipped bases. Otherwise, bases in Italy tended to be more more heavily equipped to begin with for anti-ship defenses - 381mm and 305mm being the most common for battleship-caliber installations.
You don't need an ACR to help Toulon's defenses, but idk about Bizerte
spring briar
Btw, 194mm performance against 200mm plate at ~6000+ meters equivalent
pierced the plate without damage to projectile
will add this to the doc
chilly osprey
Test date is June 1931, or is the number on the left not a date?
spring briar
that is a test date yes
it's from the tests of the 200mm plates on the twin 340 gun turrets for coastal defence
the French certainly learned from their low elevation in WW1
chilly osprey
Yup
spring briar
they even made sure to increase elevation on the croiseur de bataille 37000t to 45°
manic latch
@spring briar https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow-point_bullet
What would happen if you used such design for Naval shells?
junior trench
Why would you use a method that's only relevant for solid shot on what I assume is a naval shell with a filler
And even then, there's big differences between hitting a fluid and hitting a ship
spring briar
first of all
what target would have the viscosity needed to have the desired expansion here?
dapper parcel
hollow point on hard target gets you... splatter?
spring briar
it gives you very shitty fragments that don't penetrate a whole lot
the sheer weight of the lead might cause spalling on thinner cemented plates
but that's about it
dapper parcel
the density of lead gives veery slight more credence to sinking ship by sheer amount of shells dumped into it
spring briar
I'm more concerned about the gun that has to fire such a shell
like that's how you get 14" shells to weigh as much as a 16" SHS
and fuck up your rifling
dapper parcel
you wouldn't want full extrusion fit at that caliber 
lead with somewhat hard case?
spring briar
no, I am talking with a steel outer shell
it's going to weigh way too much regardless
dapper parcel
you probably need either severely reduced charge or special charge with extreme slow burn just to avoid exploding your breech
spring briar
just make it a rocket shell
dapper parcel
gyrojet
spring briar
the only time people even used lead as a material in naval shells was in that weird time when lead was used for rifled shells just after the american civil war
I love how France is using its old 305mm stocks to test armor in the 30's
that's like using a tennisball to penetrate a wood door
ok nvm
tennisball vs wooden door but the tennisball was shot from an air compressor
spring briar
Importance of AP caps
chilly osprey
Really angry nationalists, usually
spiral cedar
Are there non-angry nationalists
spring briar
rapid junco
Are there non-angry nationalists
Nationalists are always angry
Here they got angry that Tikuna are in the US for joint exercises 
They say it's just to spy on us
That they'll get the acoustic signature of Tikuna (ignoring the fact Tikuna is inspired on a German Best Seller)
spring briar
Tikuna?
rapid junco
This cuttie here
delicate beacon
Onder marine
rapid junco
Here
spring briar
Inderdaad een onder marine
rapid junco
She's basically a modified IKL 209 class
dapper parcel
At least Australia know to fuck the supplier instead of themself
unlike Canada
rapid junco
I know barely anything of modern subs
Tikuna has the nickname of "Carrier Killer"
Because of her success in a joint exercises like this
Ten years ago
ivory ridge
rapid junco
She managed to "Sink" USS Carl Vinson twice
eager dove
Oh god not the diesel submarine carrier killer meme lol
rapid junco
eager dove
Basically every diesel sub has done the same thing during exercises
eager dove
Those exercises are incredibly unbalanced in the submarines favor
eager dove
At least Australia know to fuck the supplier instead of themself
*unlike Canada*
Hopefully we can get rid of the Victoria class some day and get some better submarines
rapid junco
Tamoio also did that in an exercise
eager dove
High hopes I know
rapid junco
With Principe de Asturias
rapid junco
20 different stories like this
She did "Sank" the Carl Vinson in the exercise
But like i said
The "Carrier killer" is just something created by the clickbait channels i mentioned
Like one that says we should've a major naval base next to the Amazon 
Ah
And btw
People here love
To mock Tikuna
Our subs overall
Since they're diesel eletric
spring briar
The salt/fresh water mixing there will do wonders for any sort of underwater detection going on
Great idea
rapid junco
I think just the major base on the northeast will suffice
Like this
Side note:
That was taken from an April Fools article 
Ah Riche
Did you know Mistral is paying a visit to us? 
rapid junco
Not only Mistral
It's a joint operation between the Brazilian Navy, Marine Nationale and French army
spring briar
Neat
rapid junco
That's a CLAnf of the Brazilian Marine Corps
spring briar
Who we invadin
rapid junco
spring briar
rapid junco
Don't say that
The nationalists here will be angry
rapid junco
Btw
There's already a clickbait channel i know saying
"French ship lands in Brazil"
rapid junco
There are no nationalists here
In my country i mean
spring briar
French reconquista of brazil
rapid junco
Well
I know they're practicing on the state of Ceará
Next to the capital, Fortaleza
delicate beacon
Whelp.
rapid junco
Ships involved:
Mistral and frigate Courbet
Plus OPV "Araguari" of the MB
delicate beacon
I'm trying to find a way to share my book. But Google doesn't let you not share your real name/e-mail.
rapid junco
delicate beacon
Same, need to be up in a bit over 5 hours and I've been struggling with google for way too long.
rapid junco
One day, i remember a friend who really loves battleships said
"Don't let the carriers bite"
spring briar
Don’t let the Dreadnought bite
Can’t penetrate over 152mm of KC armour so that won’t be an issue
hushed saffron
Some kind of very late ACR-BC thing.
cinder escarp
"Maybach SRG 328 145 shaftless gearbox used on Pz.Kpfw.III Ausf.E-Ausf.G and VK 30.01 (H) tanks. The gears are selected via a combination of five levers, four of which have a vacuum actuator. When the gears are changed, the brake and synchronization accelerator are activated automatically. All of these operations take a fraction of a second and require precise manufacturing to work. "
maiden citrus
I missed more based acr talk rip
strong plank
wait so is Cavour serving as NATO flagship for an operation?
i thought PoW was the current flagship
maiden citrus
cry about it
strong plank
ah ok, so NATO's more or less borrowing it for a few days
rapid junco
Why so much hatred?
It's just like some journalist wanting to sink Minas Gerais (the carrier) when we bought it
rapid junco
strong plank
to be fair, looking at the stern of a modern carrier always feels like they chopped a lil bit off
tribal mortar
So which number is it?
ivory ridge
eternal veldt
The dry dock that will lift Texas for repairs is on its way to Galveston. It has now cleared the Florida Keys and is in the Gulf of Mexico. Things are happening!!!
maiden citrus
hope it turns out ok
rapid junco
About museum ships
I saw this info yesterday on the Navy's Cultural Space's website
That from May 30th to September 11th,
Submarine museum Riachuelo is going to the drydock
For hull inspection/repair
fervent bobcat
delicate beacon
„Danton' -klasse ingevoerd, is een tusschensoort tusschen het
pantserprojectiel met 2 °/0 en de halfpantsergranaat met 6 °/0
meliniet. Zij heeft eene lading van 3 °/n meliniet```
sullen canyon
spiral cedar
Thoughts?
manic latch
Number advantage always gives a possibility of victory
But you need much better tactics if enemy has superior technology and experience
spring briar
But you need much better tactics if enemy has superior technology and experience
wrong
look at Kyriakos Grizzly
zenith seal
Bruh
spring briar
all you need is sheer mass
zenith seal
In actual combat, better tactics will most likly always win
spring briar
nah man look at this guy
manic latch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCIAGE9RAIA
Much larger target, eats alot, likely runs slow, will be focused for being absolute unit, can't use standard uniform.
You sure you want an army of this guy?
zenith seal
He would define the russian steam rollor during ww1 and ww2
zenith seal
But in naval combat, speed matters
manic latch
https://tenor.com/view/hefflas-heffle-vritannis-hefflian-hefflite-gif-25135342
Hell 10 man transporter turns to 4 man transporter because more can't fit in
spring briar
this guy is literally shrugging 300+ kg
zenith seal
You dont want to be a sitting duck in war, that would mean absolute destruction
Would that man be able to withstand artillery fire? No he wont
manic latch
this guy is literally shrugging 300+ kg
And yet still weaker horsepower than first ww1 tank 
Flesh is weak
zenith seal
Lollllll
zenith seal
Nah bro. The british tanks at the somme were faster
spring briar
anyways in all seriousness
if you have less men but they have better morale, cooperation, you have a geographic advantage and good strategy you will win most times against a bigger force
easily I'd even dare to say
maiden citrus
depends on if the offending or defending side has more hot dogs
zenith seal
???
spring briar
true
zenith seal
Hot dogs???
spring briar
very good point, maka
maiden citrus
gotta have them logistics
spring briar
hotdogs aren't the kindest to logistics because of their modular nature
but they make up for it in sheer flavour
maiden citrus
truly stressful, a test of logistics power
things that need refrigeration, various ingredients of different amounts per
if you can give your troops that, you have already won
spring briar
Having like 1 Dunkerque also helps
like
if there's a river nearby you park her there
and have her shoot HE salvos at the enemy formation
I'd recon about 200 casualties per salvo
eternal veldt
Just bring in a monitor 
delicate beacon
I'd recon about 200 casualties per salvo
Enemy or allied?
eternal veldt
Honestly, destroyers and smaller vessels are in some ways better for bombardment due to the ability to get closer to the shore and maintain a sustained, steady bombardment
maiden citrus
artillery strike out a canal with the monitors
spring briar
France spending millions on the Panama canal, only to lose 20k workers to malaria and yellow fever
delicate beacon
*France spending millions on the Panama canal, only to lose 20k workers to malar...
I'm sure the Union of Northern American States is grateful for your contributions and wont make fun of your country.
eternal veldt
dig a canal from dunkerque to berlin
Next thing you're telling me you're going to offload all that weight and make Dunkerque traverse the Baltic seas...
maiden citrus
spring briar
maiden citrus
wouldn't want to be in front of her
spring briar
wouldn't want to be in front of her
yeah I'm pretty sure that that is an amiral charner
zenith seal
2 F-22s versus 50 corsairs. Who would win?
maiden citrus
the f22s
maiden citrus
yeah I'm pretty sure that that is an amiral charner
either way that bow is something all my ships must have
spring briar
even new mexico?
spring briar
interesting
maiden citrus
on ones I make myself I always put ram bows, but that is not a ram bow, that is a death bow
manic latch
2 F-22s versus 50 corsairs. Who would win?
If F-22 cannot leave then it's Corsair
Because I doubt F22s have enough ammo for all 50
And f22 should consume all its fuel before them right. So crash land before they do
But if F22 can leave to rearm and fuel. They will win
ivory ridge
Because I doubt F22s have enough ammo for all 50
480 rounds on the gun
probably enough
spring briar
cors ofc
but it doesn't matter if they are just getting strafed from outside effective range
fuck it, at low speed the F22 might even be better with thrust vectoring
zenith seal
I personally think it depends if the jets or the corsairs get supplies or not
shrewd pecan
so
Besides the stupid scenario
F-22s should have the maneuverability to out maneuver Corsairs due to their thrust vectoring
beyond that it basically just boils down to the F-22s slamming down AMRAAMs at the corsairs at ranges the corsairs can’t even do anything at
Disengaging with their afterburner and resupplying
Corsair’s are basically completely out matched in every way so they’d basically just be picked out of the sky slowly and when the F-22s run out of munitions they’d just disengage
corsairs getting smacked out of the sky at 70 KMs by two aircraft they can’t see nor do anything about
F-22s being able to fling 14 AMRAAMs at their targets each
rapid junco
@ivory ridge https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/esri27/the_italian_destroyer_nicoloso_da_recco_receiving/
spring briar
cute
manic latch
<:gigachad:819080582859718678> F-22s being able to fling 14 AMRAAMs at their tar...
Kinda ironic still
Irrc. Only fighter kill of F-22 was an F-4 I believe
manic latch
Irrc. Only fighter kill of F-22 was an F-4 I believe
Yeah it was an Iranian F-4
shrewd pecan
F-22 hasn’t gotten any combat air to air kills
it has intercepted Iranian aircraft tho
main issue with the scenario presented is your basically flinging 50 aircraft at a absolute disadvantage against the best fighter aircraft ever made
F-22s are basically able to fully decide how the situation goes down due to well their 60 years of technological advancement behind them
they’re able to decide when they engage, when they disengage and the corsairs can’t really do anything to counter that
Corsairs also lack obviously radar early warning receivers or anything that might actually give them a chance
even if you deprive the F-22s of resupply they’d just fling off their missiles, disengage and wait for the corsairs to run out of fuel since the F-22 has nearly twice the range
ivory ridge
<@194852183097737218> https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/esri27/the_i...
nice
shrewd pecan
more interesting scenario would be like flinging 2 F-22s at like 12 F-4Cs or some shit, something that actually has the technology behind it to actually have a shot even if heavily disadvantaged
rapid junco
Ah
And there's also this pic of Italo Balbo on the Catete palace, with Getúlio Vargas
spring briar
that guy is shining
manic latch
more interesting scenario would be like flinging 2 F-22s at like 12 F-4Cs or som...
Nah you want something more unfair?
Topgun F-14 vs 70 F-22
manic latch
Ace combat *any plane* vs the rest of the world air forces
Muh infinite fuel + air reload of +100 missile
tough quail
glorious AC7 rafale vs entire USAF
tHrUsT vEcToRiNg is no match to my patented Stall Maneuvering™️
spring briar
Rafale with EMP laser vs entire USAF
tough quail
trying to get into a hacking fight with a goofy japanese video game is a very poor idea
delicate beacon
*hacks into Rafale systems*
*realises all the code is in French*
shrewd pecan
I can’t remember is the top gun F-14 a A or a B
If it’s a A it’s gonna be losing dog fights against A-4s
since the F-14As engine is the worse F-14 engine
then the F-14B gets actually good upgraded engines
manic latch
tough quail
manic latch
I can’t remember is the top gun F-14 a A or a B
Should be A
shrewd pecan
so the trash F-14
shrewd pecan
I don’t care about the ace combat F-14 I will kill it in my ace combat F-15C
shrewd pecan
war thunder A-10 PTSD of me being repeatedly smacked out of the sky by AIM-9Ls in my F-4C
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I don’t care about the Phoenixs on the F-14
I care more for AIM-7 spam
Since that things AIM-7s are gonna be epic
With its multi lock capability
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Can't wait for Mig-29. Given F-14 is here already
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I’m guessing next is probably MIG-25
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French with no Mig-2000
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From there early F-16 and MIG-29
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I would add F-16 together with Su-27
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nah
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Tornado doko
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F-15A and Su-27 makes more sense
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I’m guessing next is probably MIG-25
How bout Su-25
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F-16 and MIG-29 make sense together since there both light fighters
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Hmm should Mig-31 be split after her or should come as tech tree
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Initial F-16 also would lack sparrows
unless it’s one of the early F-16s with sparrow modifications
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Initial F-16 also would lack sparrows
You can make Sherman spam with F-16 right
Especially all way to Block 70
Like. 7 F-16 in row?
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idk I just want F-15E
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After you get E. You will want EX
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22 AMRAAM spam
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Wonder if F-22 will ever come
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game will probably be dead by then
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Especially how stealth will work. Starting with F-117
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Tho it would be funny to out climb early R-77s in the F-15
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Especially how stealth will work. Starting with F-117
Maybe like. Locking on nerf?
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684721152739770371/981223110374207618/IMG_20220531_025925.jpg
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684721152739770371/981223110374207618/IMG...
She is blocking the beautiful view 
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If you’ve ever used the F-4Cs radar
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She is blocking the beautiful view <a:smoge:889039808020770827>
that is the beautiful view
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You’d know what it’s like to never detect or lock anything outside of a blue moon
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Thing would just be invisible to radar until extremely up close
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Thing would just be invisible to radar until extremely up close
- clouds
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Which basically means just climb to space and bomb objectives with paveways
Clouds don’t impact radars
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684721152739770371/981223110374207618/IMG...
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684721152739770371/981223109627633714/unk...
eugh Drach's discord has drained me again
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684721152739770371/981223110374207618/IMG...
why are you so fucking cool
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/213011911002816513/981271746432860220/unk...
shitty defence youtube please die
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tough quail
throw in a shilka with and you'll be dropping f-35s, flankers, typhoons, rafales, you name it like it's duck hunt
will still have problems with gripens tho
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cant beat the mighty gripen
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throw in a shilka with and you'll be dropping f-35s, flankers, typhoons, rafales...
Speaking of Shilka
Her twin 37mm sister is ignored 
Meanwhile chad Tunguska gets 4 30mm and 8 9M311, 9M311K, 9M311-1, 9M311M, 9M311-M1 or 57E6
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that's a lot of letters and numbers
tough quail
i wish i had even a third of the brain capacity to memorize GRAU designations
that's beyond even my hyperfixation
i think i remember 6B43 and 6P41 and that's exactly it
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The Art of War, Dutch Edition 
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the first being the big boy ratnik body armor and the latter being a pkp
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Step 1. You grab a Dreadnought
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Hello
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I've got a little question, King George V class isn't complete in Azur, isn't it?
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we're missing one
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Anson I think? 
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yes
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But don't worry, we got Vanguard.
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Anson I think? <:cirThink:896523450510901298>
How did you know
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But don't worry, we got Vanguard.
And Monarch
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I may have read up a bit on Anson after I discovered she was vaguely related to operation Rainbow when there was speculation about the SMS event.
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@spring briar Atlântico and São Paulo at the AMRJ 
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Until then it’s the KGIV class
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Diving Shells
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very random stat but when it comes to BB classes with 3+ members
we dont have any complete
(including uncompleted ships)
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That doesn't strike me as strange.
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Like the QE class
There's Barnham and Malaya missing
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They might consider holdingn ships in reserve.
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for the purples there are some complete like the colorados
but for gold BB classes
KGV is missing anson
richelieu is missing clemenceau
Littorio is missing Roma
Sodak is missing Indiana
i guess we can say the soyuz class is missing Ukraina but
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tough quail
yeah not anytime soon, we're gonna be waiting until october
spooky zombie marat time
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Diving Shells
This is talking about the frenxh tests?
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Yep
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eugh Drach's discord has drained me again
What happ
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Let me guess, teaboo went teaboo?
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This is what peak turret placement looks like
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Echelon + Superfiring = 
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French naval exercise test results got revealed
Which one?
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i guess we can say the soyuz class is missing Ukraina but
She will be cute like other sisters
Finally United with Soyuz
Rossiya will welcome her most
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the next NP event is going to be really funny no matter how they handle that
Soyuz, Marat, Leningrad, Maxim Gorky, Grozyashchy 
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swap gorky for molotov and you've p much got my wishlist yeah
but rn i need to swap into frenchie shill mode
bearn refit 2014
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Alsace boiler 
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i swear if the french got more kais before italy gets one
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Im more of a missile type of person but still, i love torpedos!!!!
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What's your favourite missile? 
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Broadhead arrow
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Mine is the Exocet
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tomahawk (the axe)
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Im more of a missile type of person but still, i love torpedos!!!!
missile is just air torpedo
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torpedos are just powered throwing spears
. . .
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Harpoon my beloved
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super cool art for it too
dusty kraken
Missiles are just flying torpedoes
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the missile knows where it is..
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And where it isn't at the same time
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isnt that the lockedmartin logo
No it says right on it "McDonald Douglas"
Which is now part of boeing
Lockheed Martin has a star not a circle
Also at the time they were not "Lockheed Martin" but "Lockheed corporation" and the "Martin Marietta Corporation"
Isn't American corporate genealogy fun :)
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Ah yes, the current Boeing
What happens when McDD bought Boeing with Boeing's money
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*what the hell*
Favorit is scalp eg,(was replying to th torpedo converstaion from earlier.)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kinburn_(1855)
I prefer this one
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kinburn_(1787)
Huh
Smol LCS
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I prefer this one <:hmm:886726902449045534>
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat...
4,000 including 2 French officers
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She's had her plane and boat rigging replaced. And you can't throw much in there since she's basically a large destroyer.
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It looks like Gnevny after I fed her 70 hamburgers
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One of the two Gearings we operated 
Btw
Recently i've been reading about the FRAM program
Kind of amazed about it
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Does Gnevny carry 6 - 6"?
I can arrange that
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Will it still be able to hit something
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I don't think that's the issue...
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And that's your problem Sang. You lack innovation
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But not a stable gun platform.
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war thunder gonna get banned by every major government soon
because soldiers keep having "gamer moments"
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Turns out the F22 is a hoax
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"your honor, in my defense, the guy on the forum was being real annoying"
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wheres the tug
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wheres the tug
Does this one is enough?
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it is so surreal that there are photographs of veterans from the napoleonic wars and from the american war of independence
also, i just learned that napoleon's body was almost photographed but because of the time it took to take photos back then, it may have resulted in napoleon's body decomposing even further so they opted not to photograph it
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there were a few american revolution war veterans who lived to see the start and end of the american civil war
imagine fighting for your country's independence only to see it break into a civil war
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Imagine…
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Most country don't even need to wait to get from war of independence into civil war
and then there's China
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Note to self, play Dynasty Warriors again when I get a chance to do so
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goddamit the nazis did have time travel machines /s
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what kind of modifications ave been applied to the b-25 of the dolittle squadron for take off a carrier?
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Machine guns were replaced with wooden sticks
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what kind of modifications ave been applied to the b-25 of the dolittle squadron...
Extra fuel, removal of armour and other protective measures
Currently driving to Pozieres
Charles Bean wrote that Pozières ridge "is more densely sown with Australian sacrifice than any other place on earth"
23'000 casualties over the 3 month battle
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even the machine guns?
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You don't rly need the machine guns. So yeah
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Coolest restaurant ever
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Some of the places the Aztecs conquered, from the Codex Mendoza
This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
Huehuehue
Also those exploding houses are temples on fire and the pictures are the symbols of the places
Take Mixtlan on the 4th row of the 1st column for example. Its symbol is of a raining cloud (Mixtli)
gilded girder
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Another would be Tlaximaloyan on the 2nd row of the 1st column. It shows an axe chopping wood and rather fittingly the place means 'the place where carpentry is done'
Tlaximalli = Woodwork
-yan = Place where X occurs
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Battle damage at the Australian National Memorial in the Somme
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nice royal navy ensign
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I don't presume she hoisted that during the Spithead review?
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perhaps
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i genuinely think this one is a shitpost
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At the school in Villers-Bretonneux
This school was fund-raised by Victorian school children after the war with the original destroyed, many of whom had relatives who died here
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Nice to see they don't touch monuments
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The Germans shot up the Australian memorial when they came through in 1940
It was badly damaged
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This is at the Monash Centre opened a few years ago as an extension to the Australian National Memorial
These two barbed wire emus represent the 300 Indigenous Australian soldiers who died in France in WW1. As they are in a foreign land with no Southern Cross to guide them, their spirits will wonder forever unable to rest
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Well well
If rumours are correct she will be launched tomorrow
Will beat QE's record as largest non-US CV of modern world
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Conventional steam powered carrier in the year of our lord 2022
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Should have gone diesel like QE?
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If they don't need the steam for the catapults, it would be the most reasonable thing to do
Though, realistically speaking, they're doing what the PLAN always does, which is be extremely conservative with designs to minimize risk
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chilly osprey
hence, sticking with steam and poor elevator ergonomics
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Better safe than sorry
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I mean, at least less people will help reduce water consumption :p
But, realistically, for the PLAN the horizon is 2040
At which point the population decline will only just be starting to make itself felt
So they've still got a good 15 years before the date they've set for themselves to, uh, 'reintegrate' Taiwan
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Assuming the water shortage doesn't cause agriculture in the south to collapse entirely causing mass famine before then
But yeah
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But, realistically, for the PLAN the horizon is 2040
Type 003 should give good Data to make fixes on Type 004
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<:COPIUM:845777540035641374>
Oh be happy Undef. It's the second nation that doesn't use cope slope anymore
Actually third..since Gaulle was there
My bad
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Always forget France.
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Zumwalt CIC
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Oh be happy Undef. It's the second nation that doesn't use cope slope anymore
why would i care
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Ignorance is a bliss indeed
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the Izumos were a thing already too and they dont have the slope
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the american LHD/As dont use the slope either
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You need ramp when it's amphibious assault ships?
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So they don't get slopes if they prioritize Helicopters over F35?
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weary timber
Izumo use emals?
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What on earth are you talking about
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No, it's still STOVL
the difference between Slope and no slope is how far back the plane has to start
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Izumo use emals?
Nah F35 flies of like helicopter. But if you use slope it will fly more like plane
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the F35 will never use VTOL
or well, the VTOL system is used for the landing
but it will never vertical take off
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Anyway the Izumo’s weren’t really designed as full-on carriers
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Anyway the Izumo’s weren’t really designed as full-on carriers
That's a lie to fool China I think
Or creating loopholes
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Point is why would you need a slope on something designed to field helicopters
even if you may or may not have some other plans for it later
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Yeah the PLAN is going to be the world's only navy to operate both CATOBAR and STOBAR carriers
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<:PepeLa:900320968457748500>
It's called being optimistic
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iirc the recent refit for the izumos lengthened the deck just a little bit
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like, if we want to lie to ourselves and say the Izumos werent designed with planes in mind sure.
not even, they added the heat resistant thingy on the deck
and that's kinda it
point is
the slope allows more of the rear deck to be used for other stuff
-> like helicopter operations
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ah, sorry
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it's why QE has a slope
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deck wasn’t lengthened but the end was squared off
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Yeah the PLAN is going to be the world's only navy to operate both CATOBAR and S...
And all the logistical difficulties that come with operating 2 carriers with entirely non interchangeable aircraft
tough quail
You need ramp when it's amphibious assault ships?
yes
so you can ramp tanks off of the deck and straight to the shore
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front half of the deck for planes, rear half for helis
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poggies
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Wonder how much air time a Stryker could get off one of those…
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how much air do you think a centauro 2 could get off of cavour
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3000 flying Centauro of Dragone
tfw
our prime minister is called Draghi (Drakes/Dragons)
and our Chief of the Defense Staff is called "Dragone"
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fucking based
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what if we use a trebuchet
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and a Supermarine Spitfire Mk26B
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how much air do you think a centauro 2 could get off of cavour
Didn’t Top Gear drive a sportscar off a British carrier in one episode?
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and a Supermarine Spitfire Mk26B
what? 
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There was a Spitfire Mk26b and pic related flying over.
tough quail
the PLAN will learn to fear Citroen
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There was a Spitfire Mk26b and pic related flying over.
I mean , I'm pretty sure the pic is a Texan and have nothing to do with Spitfire
What kind of cursed a radial Spitfire is?
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EN
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I mean , I'm pretty sure the pic is a Texan and have nothing to do with Spitfire...
........ there were two planes.
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Anyway sang they do a similar thing where I used to live where a paying passenger sits in a plane and flies alongside a spitfire
So that's prolly what it was
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nut nut nut nut
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So Turks will use this for their latest fighter?
Ain't that massively underpowered for it
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not when you add the MIGHT of TURKISH NATIONALISM
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TFX is twin engine. 2x145 kN would be enough for 20 something ton aircraft
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TFX is twin engine. 2x145 kN would be enough for 20 something ton aircraft
So you get power of F-14B from 1987. In 2020s?
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It's not like gas turbine doesn't get PIP
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Prototypes will be equipped with General Electric F110 engines until the TAEC engine, a joint venture between the Turkish KALE & British Rolls Royce, is completed and ready. Ismail Demir also stated that besides these two engines, an alternative engine is found from an undisclosed nation
Oh I see now
Prototypes only
Smart Rolls Royce. Will gain the experience they make with Turkish Jet engine to use it on Tempest engine later
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hey, it's the correct color!
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And realistically the only thing that kept it out of continued service was its wings which were maintenance heavy
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shifting the goalpost so fast it just kind of falls apart
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The F-14 was by no means underpowered
F14A with tf30 was much worse ye
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Interestingly the biggest concern of TF30 wasn't that it was underpowered
The compressor stage combined with inlet geometry was extremely prone to stall
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_F110
Just the prototype will use the F110
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Beaufighter best
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très beau
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ptab gang
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Sorry kiddo, but in the real world, the RAAF gets the Japanese convoy
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I like bf-110s
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i see tea has finally shifted his PFP to match his animated discord banner
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Ain't that massively underpowered for it
You have gone too far. Do not insult the F110.
GE once planned a growth path from the current 145kN to 160kN
But there were no takers
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surface cold waters?
woah wtf just happened
there was like an exclamation mark that popped up on the server icon
tough quail
it's that good shit is what it is
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there was like an exclamation mark that popped up on the server icon
That means connection lost for a moment
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the face of a man who's 3.9 million% done
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you can't bullpup a warship
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you can't bullpup a warship
... Please tell me it's not just... one loooooong magazine.