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#history
tough quail
wholesome
frigid karma
It's almost the 80 year anniversary of the hood sinking
It’s the 81st righ
spring briar
I have a throat infection
frigid karma
Oof
spring briar
frigid karma
Also that’s really interesting
Hood is dying in the prelude
And we’ll see it on there 21st
delicate beacon
Can't be something the Dutch shot at. When the Dutch silenced artillery at Sicily they hit the artillery itself.
delicate beacon
It's almost the 80 year anniversary of the hood sinking
manic latch
Can't be something the Dutch shot at. When the Dutch silenced artillery at Sicil...
Smh Australian
tough quail
touch touch
desert agate
HMAS Brisbane's bridge and gun
Because Canberra is a poor location for a naval museum but the war memorial needed some way of recognising the navy
Given like 70% of the indoor space is just air force stuff
We are very proud of our air force sometimes I get concerned we go too far but then I look at Canada and decide we're fine
eager dove
?
spring briar
a random maple leaf boye appears
eager dove
we're basically the opposite
nobody really cares about our military at all
in the grand scheme of things
desert agate
It's a fucking miracle you didn't go with the gripen
tough quail
i care about your weird leopard refits
eager dove
I would have been surprised if we went with the Gripen
it's kind of a nonsensical pick
desert agate
A world where Australia gives so little a fuck about defence that we went with Gripen is not one I'd want to live in
We have a weird relationship with the military culturally and shit
eager dove
the Canadian Army is the only branch to really have got any public attention
the airforce to a more limited degree
the Navy is the forgotten branch largely
desert agate
The air force has always gotten the lions share of attention in the modern age
somber knoll
But sometimes Canadians have a very weird taste in weapons.
I still remember the Inglis Hi-Power being a bit of a meme back in the day.
desert agate
2nd oldest air force in the world fuck you South Africa
eager dove
back in the day?
we still use it now lol
the Army got all of the glory for fighting land engagements throughout the years
the Navy was always relegated to largely supporting roles due to a lack of funding
they never got their battle
desert agate
Historically yeah people pay more attention to the army
But the navy has always been important
And we're very proud of our air force
somber knoll
back in the day?
I mean back when some enthusiasts (and veterans too) decided to put FN parts to ther Inglis then figured out it was way off because of different measurement 
tough quail
what y'all need is a good and proper domestic vanity project like the dumb korean carrier
eager dove
yeah you guys didn't have salty french people trying to get rid of your recently founded navy
😭
shrewd pecan
Canadian America class
eager dove
my brother in christ you need actual escorts first
desert agate
Solomon Islands looking kinds sussy
We have the Hobart's they're fine for escorting a light carrier
somber knoll
Bruh, my girlfriend in Ontario once complained that the Army always gets the bling compared to the other branches.
desert agate
Especially now we're discussing getting another 3
eager dove
Bruh, my girlfriend in Ontario once complained that the Army always gets the bli...
it's funny because the Army isn't getting anything
and the Navy and Airforce is getting all of the major funding atm
somber knoll
The Diemanco C8 is a mistake 
eager dove
Hobarts are a bit sussy for escort work even for one carrier
rule of thumb is generally you need three ships minimum to have one operational at all times
that's the bare minimum
eager dove
there's been no indication I've seen that you guys will get 3 more
desert agate
Depends who wins the election
eager dove
it's Hunters or nothing
desert agate
there's been no indication I've seen that you guys will get 3 more
Navantia offered to build 3 more and the opposition leader said if elected (election is tomorrow) he'll go for it
eager dove
I'll believe it when I see it
talk is cheap especially from politicians around elections
desert agate
eager dove
the main issue is that you guys have had at minimum a two year lapse since you commissioned the last ship
ivory ridge
Navantia cringe
eager dove
since the original plan was never for more than the original order, the yards very likely didn't keep themselves at a point where they are ready to jump into continued production
also yes navantia cringe
it very likely isn't as easy of an option as some people say it is
desert agate
They're talking about partially building them in Spain to deal with potential issues with Osborne shipyard
eager dove
that only gives you time to potentially address the issue
it doesn't necessarily solve it
people who work in shipyards don't sit around
desert agate
It's up in the works rn anyway and it's not like the people who worked on the initial block disappeared
eager dove
they generally move to where the work is
they also very likely haven't been sitting around for over two years waiting for work to fall into their laps
desert agate
The work is in Osborne and Henderson
Henderson especially is pumping out ships every 2-3 months
somber knoll
Don't think old Scott will boost the Navy if he gets reelected there.
desert agate
Scomo will
But he's a fuckhead
Both leaders have the exact same policy on naval expansion
As in we need it urgently
eager dove
if the plans for Australia to upgrade the current Hobarts to better radars and other systems is true, you could be looking at even more delays and issues
somber knoll
But he's a fuckhead
That's the main issue yea
eager dove
if they are redesigning to get these new systems into another trio from the start
desert agate
Regardless the political drive is there
chilly osprey
TBH I'd actually argue - had this been done from the start - that buying more Hobarts and not trying to stick CEAFAR2, or at least using a reduced version on the Hunters, would have been the better bet
I'd get you could save a significant amount of weight not bothering with the L-band panels
desert agate
The Solomon's debacle has proven that we need a bigger navy and we need it 5 years ago
Tbh we need the Hunters to act as front-line combatants too
We need the mission Bay and we need peer combatant capability and sacrifices needed to be made
chilly osprey
Tbh we need the Hunters to act as front-line combatants too
And they can, it's just, they do so with a less bulky radar suite and just stick with doing local AAW and the ability to contribute to medium-range AAW
And leave the more intensive AAW stuff to the actual AAW destroyers
eager dove
that's the price you pay for propping up domestic radar development
and seemingly going so hard into a large radar array
eager dove
this doesn't look especially "based" to me
five head
it keeps getting stupider and stupider looking as time passes
desert agate
5head gonna detect yo dollar store 5th gen and yeet it
eager dove
SPY-7 rise up
desert agate
Cring
somber knoll
The Solomon's debacle has proven that we need a bigger navy and we need it 5 yea...
Pretty much so. and by the way, your closest neighbors aren't really a problem since our Navy sucks, even compared to the Singaporeans
desert agate
Singapore's navy is a glorified fishing trawler with some VLS cells
RAN isn't at the peak of its power like it arguably was in the 60s but were getting back there
Crawling back slowly yet surely
Mainly because a good navy actually has a reason to exist now like it didn't in the 60s
eager dove
I do agree with Phoenix
I think it would have been worthwhile to invest in AAW capability from the start
desert agate
He makes a good point yes
eager dove
instead of trying to squeeze it into the Hunters
ivory ridge
Indonesia on its way to get 4 different frigate models from 3 different countries
eager dove
Canada has the excuse of doing it with CSC since we're going for a one stop shop for the entire Navy with one design
but Australia has an AAW and ASW split
feels like they are too far into the Hunter program to divert now
ivory ridge
half of this wont end up anywhere but lmao
desert agate
Yeah but defence spending is only going to get higher after this election
There will be more ships
desert agate
Hunters are done and dusted, no government will risk a second Attack class debacle
eager dove
I wouldn't be so immediately sure
somber knoll
half of this wont end up anywhere but lmao
Our navy expansion is pretty much a meme at this point.
That Sverdlov-class cruiser we had in the sixties were the peak of our naval power, and that's it.
eager dove
you guys are staring down the barrel of the most ambitious submarine procurement in the world in recent memory
desert agate
But the profound need to immediate modernisation and expansion and replacement of previous shitty procurements has become the driving force of modern defence policy
manic latch
but considering how many high cost programs you guys have ongoing
The big guy above does cause some panic. It's good that Australia is improving their military budget. Especially with nuclear submarine step
eager dove
based as fuck
manic latch
Oh boy that will take a long time
desert agate
Honestly it's a good thing we're going for them
eager dove
flex on shitty conventional boats
desert agate
But the way we went about it
eager dove
you guys signed the deal with the devil when you agreed to the Attack class with France
desert agate
Stabbing one of our closest regional partners in the back like that
eager dove
France did not have your interests in mind and you guys built off ramps into the program
France can get fucked
desert agate
All of the issues were having with the French could have been avoided if we just allowed them in the tender process for the new boats
eager dove
French nuclear submarines are entirely unsuited to your political and operational needs
desert agate
An open and fair submarine competition would have avoided these issues
tough quail
doesn't need to be selected
desert agate
Irrelevant, at least including them would have meant they wouldn't be as pissed off
tough quail
the issue is just booting them out like absolute cunts
desert agate
Exactly
eager dove
I have minimal sympathy when France was acting belligerent towards their own customer
desert agate
They're probably our 2nd closest defence partner right now behind only the US
Or at least
Were
tough quail
you don't really get a rep for being a good trade partner when you just ghost a huge ally knee deep in a procurement program and then ghost them on the replacement
eager dove
French nuclear submarines do not run off the "lifetime closed reactor" system like US reactors
desert agate
The French were being cunts too but they should have been included in the tender process regardless
eager dove
they run off much lower grade fuel and require them to be ripped open and refueled every decade or so
that is a deal breaker for Australia
US reactors are a closed module you drop into the hull and plug in
and is good for the lifetime of the boat
manic latch
Tfw Australia gets nuclear subs before nuclear reactors
desert agate
There's so much more to this than just subs because France is one of the few definite allies we have that more or less borders us
desert agate
Tfw Australia gets nuclear subs before nuclear reactors <:hmm:886726902449045534...
There's a nuclear reactor in Australia
manic latch
spring briar
sadly that nuclear reactor is for medical isotopes
delicate beacon
From when is project 72
manic latch
Oh that kind of nuclear reactor
eager dove
you don't really get a rep for being a good trade partner when you just ghost a ...
The Australians built off ramps into this program so they could leave whenever they felt like it. Was it right for them to do it in the way they did? I don't think so but you also have to realize what the French were doing to Australia here. One of the main reasons why this program went through and the agreement was signed was for major development to Australian submarine industry and to build the boats largely in Australia. Throughout the process, France repeatedly renegotiated larger and larger percentages of work away from Australia and back into France itself.
desert agate
Unlike Europe and America, Australia can be an energy exporter on pure solar and wind
eager dove
the French effectively did this to themselves
chilly osprey
half of this wont end up anywhere but lmao
Yeah, the Mogami's are straight-up not a thing as far as the Indonesian Navy's procurement is concerned. It went nowhere but still got included in the graphic because, uh, enthusiasm on the part of the creator
eager dove
even if the Australians weren't entirely diplomatic about the exit from the program
France signed onto the deal full well knowing Australia wanted this done domestically at basically any cost and continued to cut into that fact as time went on
basically undermined the project as a whole
junior trench
Unlike Europe and America, Australia can be an energy exporter on pure solar and...
that's a good joke
desert agate
In the words of a former German energy minister "the best place in Germany for solar energy is worse than the worst place in Australia for solar energy"
Which is why Europe needs nuclear power, but we don't
eager dove
there's also a huge swath of complications and issues with the Attack class design as a whole
desert agate
And never will
eager dove
it was immensely risky
junior trench
have fun with a powergrid that is constantly dying due to base load issues
eager dove
French nuclear submarine turned conventional with American tech rammed into it
desert agate
The Attacks were a very sketchy program from the start
eager dove
that is asking for a disaster
desert agate
And I'm not saying they should have gone ahead at all
eager dove
although atleast Australia seemingly has the deep pockets, allied support and political willpower to go ahead with nuclear subs
makes me jealous
desert agate
I'm just saying we should have been nicer to one of the only nations that basically borders us
eager dove
I agree to a point
somber knoll
Yeah, the Mogami's are straight-up not a thing as far as the Indonesian Navy's p...
This tbh. also, after that U-boat (read: our old German bought subs) sinking incident last year, the current narrative that are running is we also want to modernize our existing U-Boats
eager dove
but they screwed you guys over
so you screwed them
France getting called out and owned immensely publicly for a classic move they usually get away with was worth its weight in gold
it was some incredibly top shelf seethe that was pretty unrivaled until
recent events
spring briar
it's hard being the bad guy
manic latch
it's hard being the bad guy
maiden citrus
it was some incredibly top shelf seethe that was pretty unrivaled until
true, even in here
eager dove
I can only hope our submarine replacement plan gets half of the attention or urgency as either Australian one did
smh
desert agate
have fun with a powergrid that is constantly dying due to base load issues
Raping and pillaging indigenous lands when a perfectly viable alternative that is especially suited to our conditions isn't really the way we probably want to go forward with our future energy needs
eager dove
forever banished to the euro export boats
spring briar
truly the worst of fates
desert agate
I'm pretty happy with the way defence is going in terms of spending rn
In the last 10 years the navy has gone from a pretty obsolete force running mediocre second line frigates and some 30+ year old destroyers to replacing old assets, expanding capability and modernising the Anzacs
The air force has gone from a very capable force to an even more capable force operating modern 5th gen and expanding by an additional squadron of fighters
The army meanwhile is currently going through that same modernisation phase, just finished replacing the old F88s for new EF88s, is about to begin replacing old M113s and is about to become the first non-US operator of full spec Abrams'
desert agate
And defence spending is only increasing
Remember the optimistic ramps on the Canberra's friend
eager dove
"hello parliament yes we need aircraft carriers"
justifies increased AAW escort like a boss
somber knoll
get the US to build you guys a pair of QEesque ships
So the Forrestals
desert agate
Stare at them and pray
chilly osprey
Bankroll the construction of another yard in the US that can build carriers and build some modern Forrestal's/Kitty Hawks in there.
That way the Americans will build some for you and them
And Whatismoo can get his CVL force for the Atlantic
eager dove
🙏
desert agate
The cope slope is only there because one officer was feeling very cheap, and very optimistic at the same time
eager dove
flex on anglos by getting small catobar ship with functioning awacs and F-35C
desert agate
We already flex on the anglos by having an objectively better air force than them
chilly osprey
Alternatively throw enough money and, uh, hookers and blow at congress, until they let you buy NGAD
eager dove
lmfao
chilly osprey
NGAD-capable CVL (aka CV for any navy other than the USN)
desert agate
Honestly tho baby CdG would prolly be the best option for the RAN going forward
eager dove
you guys can likely get a good deal on F-35C once NGAD comes up
desert agate
Yes I am advocating for basically a bigger Majestic class how can you tell
eager dove
Moo's CVL idea is basically perfect for you then
chilly osprey
MMI would want in on this for when it has to replace Cavour since who knows if we ever get another S/TOVL aircraft
desert agate
tfw the closest I will ever get to Australia in NATO is that I'm in Istanbul right now
Bring back SEATO
eager dove
my condolences
junior trench
Raping and pillaging indigenous lands when a perfectly viable alternative that i...
that's a funny way to talk about nuclear when solar looks like... well
hm yes
muh very untouched natural beauty
spring briar
literally liquid salt
desert agate
Solar can be done on land that isn't indigenously owned
junior trench
so can nuclear
desert agate
All of the mineable uranium in Australia is on indigenous land
junior trench
so what
desert agate
In fact uranium mining is inherently exploitative of indigenous people
junior trench
it's a mine shaft
desert agate
It's their land
manic latch
Global Warming is good
More habitable land for Siberia 
desert agate
To deny them their right to decide what happens with their land
Is nothing more than the continuation of genocide
So unless you're advocating genocide here, "fuck em" isn't the attitude we should be taking to their native land rights
manic latch
🦅
desert agate
The theft of land and forced displacement of indigenous people is a form of cultural genocide
maiden citrus
didn't you already debate this with jaba before
desert agate
They have a sprititual and cultural connection with this land
To force them off it is genocide
manic latch
Wish I had spiritual connection with Soyuz
junior trench
who said anything about forcing them off
just because Australia is broke and resorts to strip and open pit mining doesn't mean that's the only option
desert agate
You have to force them off if they say "no we don't want uranium mines on our land"
junior trench
no you don't lol
desert agate
Australia universally uses open pit mining these days
maiden citrus
just because Australia is broke and resorts to strip and open pit mining doesn't...
that's what was disproven in the last time this came up yeah
spring briar
well australia can either go nuclear or depend on chinese solar panel contracts for the foreseeable future
or wacky solar farm projects
desert agate
Because strip mining is obsolete
spring briar
manic latch
well australia can either go nuclear or depend on chinese solar panel contracts ...
China builds like %70? Of world's solar panels
desert agate
well australia can either go nuclear or depend on chinese solar panel contracts ...
Literally all the resources in those solar panels are mined here already
junior trench
that's what was disproven in the last time this came up yeah
in what way
spring briar
China has a monopoly on rare earth so yes
but it's usually a good deal to get them from there
maiden citrus
in what way
I mean that you are right, last time it was jaba pulling out nuclear papers
spring briar
as long as you're willing to spend time to check each panel from the chinese factory
desert agate
I mean that you are right, last time it was jaba pulling out nuclear papers
I'm not making the same point as last time
junior trench
I mean that you are right, last time it was jaba pulling out nuclear papers
figured as much
manic latch
China has a monopoly on rare earth so yes
Tfw more demand for solar panels= more production needed= China will burn more coal in factories= pollution = more demand for solar panels
desert agate
Last time my argument was the environmental destruction caused by outdated mining techniques
My argument currently is that indigenous people have the right to say what happens on their land
spring briar
<:hmm:886726902449045534> Tfw more demand for solar panels= more production nee...
yes but what about relative CO2 emmissions
desert agate
Doesn't matter what it is
junior trench
sure
desert agate
They have a right to the final say
junior trench
they can certainly think that
manic latch
but when shit comes to a head, fuck em
desert agate
We spent 200 years saying "fuck em" to our indigenous peoples
maiden citrus
if it doesn't disturb the land, what's the point
desert agate
We are not going back
maiden citrus
saying no to say no
of course we're also basing this off the comment of 'every single piece of nuclear fuel in australia is not owned by australia'
spring briar
australia could go solar and then invest in H2 production and make that their main export
desert agate
You can want to go back like some fucking weird genocide advocating maniac but you'll find most Australians don't want that
desert agate
of course we're also basing this off the comment of 'every single piece of nucle...
All of the sizeable deposits are in indigenous land
spiral cedar
What if you paid the indigenous peoples for uranium 
desert agate
There are deposits on crown land and the like but it's not large enough to justify large scale mining operations
manic latch
pay them in shells or smth?
Chocolate
spiral cedar
pay them in shells or smth?
6" AP is the world reserve currency
desert agate
What if you paid the indigenous peoples for uranium <:Thinkpitz:7541920581635277...
Similar shits been tried and they've always said they want their land not money
junior trench
so let them keep the land lmao
desert agate
pay them in shells or smth?
Indigenous poverty is a huge issue especially in rural Australia
spiral cedar
Offer more money 
junior trench
usage without ownership under contract is a thing
this is just looking for excuses to keep sucking off China so you can keep going solar
spring briar
oh we're talking about those aboriginals
desert agate
The money would definitely help their communities
But again, these people don't want money, they want white people to stop raping their land
spring briar
this is just looking for excuses to keep sucking off China so you can keep going...
I mean
you do realise how many companies are doing just that?
junior trench
despite solar being the most wasteful non-fossil fuel energy production out there
spiral cedar
But again, these people don't want money, they want white people to stop raping ...
Hence my proposal
manic latch
What if
You mine it through tunnels. So they can't see it and complain
junior trench
and don't even get me started on the Aussie "biomass" wank
junior trench
we stopped burning wood for a reason
desert agate
I seriously doubt they'd do that but you know it's worth proposing
manic latch
Why Nuclear is bad tho
manic latch
Why Nuclear is bad tho
French got like. 50?
eager dove
Let them mine it themselves
We have this issue in Canada. The federal government bought fishing boats and licenses for the native bands in order for them to participate in the commercial fishery and you know what they did? They turned around and leased the same licenses back out to commercial fishermen and didn't want to work them.
spring briar
Why Nuclear is bad tho
building and maintenance is pretty intensive
but that's about it
desert agate
Why Nuclear is bad tho
It's not bad
desert agate
It's just unnecessary in Australia
junior trench
no
manic latch
spiral cedar
We have this issue in Canada. The federal government bought fishing boats and li...
I mean, it makes sense
desert agate
We have more than enough alternatives
spiral cedar
But you can say that they made that choice
junior trench
I mean literally burning biomass for energy to maintain a base load on the grid
spiral cedar
It's not being forced upon them
junior trench
because solar and wind can't fucking do that
desert agate
I mean literally burning biomass for energy to maintain a base load on the grid
I've never heard of such a thing
eager dove
Yeah they did make the choice but like part of the entire point was to lift people out of poverty by giving them jobs
eager dove
not bringing money to the band chief through leasing and keeping the band members itself poor
junior trench
eager dove
which is what happened to an unfortunate amount of groups
spring briar
trying to capture as much of the emmissions as possible
spring briar
but in the end you're still burning wood or plant based biomass
which means you're literally re-releasing the absorbed CO2
junior trench
"burning waste" almost inevitably ends into intensive farming to create biomass to make up for solar and wind being shit at providing baseline
at which point just cut the shit and go to nuclear instead because it's legitimately less intensive
spring briar
and you just put the CO2 you captured while growing the biomass back into the atmosphere unless you have some really extensive CO2 capture process
spring briar
since even today CO2 capture is in its infancy
only now are scientific papers getting published and those will be put into practice in ~40 years
so yea
desert agate
But it would be too deep in Australian politics
spring briar
junior trench
it's labeled as renewable for [redacted] expediency reasons
desert agate
It's been labelled as renewable because the LNP is trying to pretend it has a net zero plan
Fun fact it doesnt
spring briar
the real big brain move australia could do here is to invest in CaO-based CO2 capture technology to combine with their "solar plans" and make a sustainable solar energy based loop
just saying
but that takes money they'd rather spend on chinese solar panels
desert agate
solar is pretty good for the sunniest continent
And wind is nice too for a very windy continent
junior trench
but it has no base load
spiral cedar
How about really big batteries
junior trench
so your grid will be fucking dead
spring briar
they will have base load near the coasts if they are willing to invest massively into wind
desert agate
Hydroelectric?
spring briar
but that's only at some places near the coast
maiden citrus
How about really big batteries
alright so you take the old non nuclear australian subs and hook their batteries up to the power grid
it's a win win
this will work guys
spring briar
australia I don't think has very many wind patterns like europe
spiral cedar
desert agate
australia I don't think has very many wind patterns like europe
Perth is the world's 3rd windiest city
spiral cedar
Buy nuke subs and then just park them offshore to power towns
maiden citrus
Buy nuke subs and then just park them offshore to power towns
lexington class moment
desert agate
And South Australia is heavy on wind power already
spiral cedar
I assume it's too hot for big water batteries
spring briar
guys we should paint all exposed asphalt in the world white
that will literally lower the earth's temperature by like half a degree
spiral cedar
Roofs too
spring briar
snowball earth achieved
spiral cedar
Literally whitewashing global warming
desert agate
I assume it's too hot for big water batteries
maiden citrus
return to retinal earth
spring briar
honestly tho
I love how australia not wanting to invest in nuclear power
lead the submarine deal to fail
which made France a meme again
so that people could shit on it online
spiral cedar
Is he Corsican?
desert agate
France needs nuclear power because they don't have the world's best environment for solar
read superpower it's a good book
spring briar
france does have a great advantage in wind
due to Mistral
aaaah no I'm getting Algerian war flashbacks
maiden citrus
but that is a wind of destruction
desert agate
I'll simp nuclear for Australia when fusion is viable until then we can work without it
maiden citrus
see I was being nice because I could've made the obvious white object joke
spiral cedar
What about non-uranium reactors
desert agate
Those are fine too
maiden citrus
are we about to have a thorium moment
spring briar
listen, if australia goes solar
AND invest in H2 electrolysis
now then
then we are talking
spiral cedar
AU government says AU has 20% of Earth’s thorium resources
desert agate
Should note that Australia is one of those nations that is disproportionately suffering the impacts of climate change compared to the amount of carbon we actually output
maiden citrus
electrolysis my beloved
desert agate
AU government says AU has 20% of Earth’s thorium resources
So long as it's sourced without impacting indigenous land rights it's fine by me for sure
spiral cedar
It’s a matter of figuring out if it’s commercially viable for the available mining sites then
junior trench
I think I'm honestly going to just laugh when Australia needs to do a crash generator project to stop their grid from needing to black start
spiral cedar
Wonder if a feasibility study’s been done
spring briar
Should note that Australia is one of those nations that is disproportionately su...
yeah I mean
antarctica as well
maiden citrus
what do you mean, soon antarctica will have more living space despite being smaller
now that's a feat
junior trench
either that or they actually do need to do a black start, after inflicting this on themselves
in which case I'll laugh harder
spring briar
either that or they actually *do* need to do a black start, after inflicting thi...
watch them import french reactor components
desert agate
It’s a matter of figuring out if it’s commercially viable for the available mini...
The only limit on commercial viability in Australia is the size of individual deposits
junior trench
"who could have foreseen this entirely predictable outcome!"
desert agate
Otherwise it's just mining
If we need to build entire ports then that's what we'll do
Done it before
spring briar
that's not a very viable way of doing things tho
desert agate
I think I'm honestly going to just laugh when Australia needs to do a crash gene...
Batteries exist and there's more to renewables than just solar and wind
desert agate
that's not a very viable way of doing things tho
Oh how wrong you are
spring briar
mate I've done a course on renewable energy just this semester
desert agate
Building entire ports to support mining is our speciality
spring briar
desert agate
Saw that a few days ago
spring briar
launching rockets in the ocean...
this will negatively affect the Norse trout population
desert agate
Just desperately trying to extend the service lives of submarines that currently have no planned replacement date
Keeping subs in service longer than they're designed for is rarely a recipe for success
spring briar
defence related nonsense
remote monolith
oh hey I got summoned
eager dove
Keeping subs in service longer than they're designed for is rarely a recipe for...
we're going to be operating 1980's submarines until the mid 2030's or early 2040's
so join the club
spring briar
we're going to be operating 1980's submarines until the mid 2030's or early 2040...
this sounds like the 75mm mle.1897 field cannon all over again
remote monolith
anywho, babe new Denisovan fossils dropped, this time in Laos
maiden citrus
maiden citrus
chemical engineering -> jurassic park
desert agate
Men
remote monolith
it's interesting because Denisovans are never indicated to live this far south in the SEA
maiden citrus
no, they forced me to do a thesis on CO2 capture
there was more oxygen back then
this is but the first step
remote monolith
yet here it is, an evidence that they do spread that far from assumed original range of around Central Asia
remote monolith
and for @desert agate, Denisovans are suspected of interbreeding heavily with Aboriginal Australians
desert agate
There's a lot of theories about aboriginal Australian genetic heritage and stuff
remote monolith
it wouldn't be surprising if Aborigines had extensive contact with Denisovans given so far they seem to be fairy widespread throughout Asia, sort of like how Neanderthals are very common in Europe, only Denisovans are rather poorly known
also for Dino fans, new Spinosaurid from Spain
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08912963.2022.2069019?journalCode=ghbi20
junior trench
Batteries exist and there's more to renewables than just solar and wind
lmao
I was waiting to see if this would come up
the good old batteries canard
batteries
remote monolith
well, I say 'new' more like they found out a certain fossil is actually a different genus
junior trench
are shit at storing power
remote monolith
which is what tends to happen when a new dinosaurs genus is announced
it's usually just old bones reexamined and paleontologists finding it it's actually not that similar from other specimens, enough to be warranted as a separate animal
desert agate
Also nighttime solar
spring briar
***are shit at storing power***
Kinetic energy storage
junior trench
There's enough battery powder to hold load for for example in, California, for a few minutes.
desert agate
Early stages development but potentially excellent
junior trench
including the car batteries
ivory ridge
that whole thing is so fucking stupid
desert agate
Batteries literally saved South Australia
maiden citrus
like I said just use the old subs past their lifecycle batteries
desert agate
Like they had the worst power outages in national history
We installed batteries with a new system connected to other renewable and their power issues were solved
desert agate
Statewide blackouts for over a million people for days on end is a bit of an outage
junior trench
it's turning off the power for an area because if you don't your grid fucking dies because you fucked your base load
you're lauding a solution to a problem of your own making
you're Texas power gridding yourselves, but with renewables instead of uninsulated gas lines lmao
desert agate
but the batteries objectively solved the issues with South Australia's power grid
spring briar
You need a physical way of storing that power
Either as gas
Or as a liquid
Solids work too but are not yet viable
desert agate
I'm no fan of musk but those batteries saved lives
junior trench
because you fucked up in the first place
spring briar
Thank god you’re not elon musk
maiden citrus
if you were elon I'd legally have to insult you
junior trench
oh
desert agate
Was a number of fuck ups that contributed
And the coal stations were in no way absolved
junior trench
and I haven't even touched on how excess power generation will fuck your grid as well
junior trench
and btw
junior trench
batteries are even worse at it
lmao
that's not how energy exporting works
energy exporting is pre-accounted for
spikes in generation that aren't accounted for can't just be dumped into wires to someone else
desert agate
wind turbines can be turned off
And solar panels can be disconnected from the grid
There are ways and means around it
junior trench
yes, they can be
if you schedule for it
because idk if you know this but
electricity moves really fast
desert agate
The public here is ridiculously anti nuclear anyway
The talk around building the second submarine base for the nuclear subs on the east coast has caused huge uproar
desert agate
as I said before
I'm personally in favour of thorium or fusion reactors provided the thorium is mined ethically
Fat luck convincing the public tho
spring briar
Fusion
desert agate
The batteries installed in South Australia responded to fluctuations in the grid faster than the traditional coal plants
And they did, as much as you pretend they didn't, prevent any further catastrophe like that which was caused in 2016
Which was, yes, caused by shoddy practices in the wind turbine generators and the people running them
junior trench
lmao
desert agate
But was compounded by years of shitty policy and running of the coal plants
junior trench
complaining about the cost of nuclear but stanning for Thorium
junior trench
you have in the past
desert agate
My issue is where the uranium is
junior trench
Thorium reactors still need uranium btw
desert agate
Ok and I've changed my position on thorium some time ago
desert agate
We'd probably have to import that anyway
Or make huge infrastructure investments which are a good idea anyway
The enriched uranium for the nuke subs is coming from overseas
Because the facilities don't exist here to enrich shit
junior trench
Thorium waste is just as bad/good/whatever as Uranium waste as well, but no one likes to talk about that, because leaving out that you can make U waste as inert doesn't sell the nuclear fear well enough
desert agate
not talking about waste
junior trench
so you literally only care because you don't think Uranium mining can or should be done
desert agate
Talking about the ethics of the mines the fissile material comes out of
junior trench
then piss right off lmao
tough quail
sound argument there
tough quail
but that doesn't fit the narrative thats let's em act like a smug asshole
desert agate
You're the one that came out about waste and cost, which I wasn't discussing in the first place
ivory ridge
desert agate
Any large scale domestic nuclear industry is going to require domestic mining of fissile material, whether that material is thorium or uranium. Thorium is much more ethically sound than uranium and therefore is the better option, should we ever decide to go nuclear, whatever uranium is require in those thorium reactors can be obtained either by import or by smaller scale mining operations mines that wouldn't normally be viable but won't impact indigenous land title (something which is protected by high court judgements in Mabo v Queensland)
If Australia intends to support its naesant nuclear submarine fleet beyond a single class, domestic nuclear industry is going to be necessary regardles
spring briar
you can very cheaply ship the fuel from abroad
keeping it running is not expensive in terms of fuel
desert agate
Not politically viable
The mining industry wouldn't allow it
They would lobby so hard it would make Rupert Murdoch look like a paper boy
exotic scarab
yeah thats the thing I found looking up nuclear power
well yes in terms of scale it would be able to replace a fossil fuel planet it has a pretty high cost esspically for a country that doesnt have a domestic source of nuclear fuel
junior trench
did you account for the undue burden placed specifically on nuclear
exotic scarab
yeah a decent portion of people i've talked to act like nuclear is the magic solution
but I think the way to fully replace fossil fuels is a slow mix of many sources
exotic scarab
to a extent yes but there are issues I dont think we can get into here with removing the fossil fuel dependence of my country of america (cant say anything about any other countries)
spring briar
well it's a huge part of american industry and geopolitical influence rn
and any loss in the car industry is gonna be put in the chemical industry
so for atleast another 50 years it isn't going to change that much
junior trench
yeah a decent portion of people i've talked to act like nuclear is the magic sol...
Not what I meant
Nuclear's cost is massively inflated due to regulations that even coal and other industries that produce concentrated nuclear waste in such quantities they can chase dam breakage floods never had to worry about
They're straight up designed to strangle nuclear as much as possible
spring briar
the same sort of regulations those other plants have to worry about, with much higher standards
as well as fossil-fuel based industry funding other non-nuclear renewable energy producers like wind and solar just to prevent the nuclear option
it's because they know they will get outcompeted
the oil industry wants people to believe in the solar and wind story
since then they know they can easily compete
hence why in any country that has common sense will do additional power generation in conjunction with wind and solar
preferably H2-electrification since it allows excess wind and solar during the day to be converted into H2 without wasting money on batteries
exotic scarab
I see
Also is it bad that I'm more interested in the history of northern Europe (and British isles) in the middle ages then the United States and the cold war
spring briar
no?
exotic scarab
good lol because I dont even know half of what we did in the cold war
and like did you know after the vietnam war vietnam was kinda at war with china
spring briar
what you did in the cold war hmm?
exotic scarab
well we as in the united states of america (and the air force since I was sorta part of it)
tough quail
some silly little hijinks here and there
strong plank
a little trolling
spring briar
pretty much every country did a self inflicted oopsie
subtle prawn
delicate beacon
manic latch
@delicate beacon
Found this...Stalingrad...
It's either one of the earliest design like Riga or a fake one
spring briar
delicate beacon
Cute O class
tough quail
thanks i hate it
manic latch
Why it looks like Gouden
delicate beacon
It does not
delicate beacon
It has a catapult and no annorexic funnel
manic latch
thanks i hate it
Have single 130mm
They pass to double since Soviets didn't reach the rpm they wanted
tough quail
Guys I got le coof
farewell friend
manic latch
<:cri:861289822168416296>
Make Richel sit on your face for 5 mins and you will be good as new
spring briar
My last… post… to you all…
manic latch
You ain't dying before Alsace comes
manic latch
manic latch
spring briar
delicate beacon
spring briar
How to summarise soviet fuze development: germany bad
manic latch
delicate beacon
spring briar
cold pumice
I didn't know they left
exotic scarab
who left?
exotic scarab
he means dark ages as in the time between the fall of the western roman empire and the rise of more centralized states
about 500-900AD give or take
tender monolith
he's making a dumb joke
brisk ruin
Anyone know ?
maiden citrus
south dakota
maiden citrus
yesssss
humble mulch
remote monolith
hell naw, not for documentaries
Paleo preps hasn't got any decent to good docus in years now
nothing like Walking with Dinosaurs
maiden citrus
the best jurassic world did was canonly acknowledge that they genetically engineered the dinosaurs to be cooler over being accurate
exotic scarab
nothing like Walking with Dinosaurs
I saw that at the IMAX in my musuem it was pretty good
exotic scarab
the one by the bbc
junior trench
hence why in any country that has common sense will do additional power generati...
It's not just "additional" per se
It's needing it permanently have a fossil fuel back up capable of supporting the entire grid, which you need to pay for but rarely actually use, solely because of how serious the consequences of not having enough back up for the whole grid is
And as for H2 electrification...
Large scale production that produces more energy than it takes to make uses fossil fuels
Meanwhile electrolysis takes more energy to produce H2 than that H2 will provide
cinder escarp
A "hydrogen economy" only makes sense if you are running nuclear powered electrolysis plants, with the H2 serving as merely an intermediate.
junior trench
It really does all come back to spicy rocks
maiden citrus
the corny one
maiden citrus
A "hydrogen economy" only makes sense if you are running nuclear powered electro...
in my fiction it's mainly obtained from things like tidal power, but it's also nowhere near the scale a modern nation would require is my excuse
remote monolith
whoever did this made a good job replicating the old narrator
maiden citrus
for real
spring briar
I survived the night
spring briar
Large scale production that produces more energy than it takes to make uses foss...
Yes, it’s logically a net loss of electricity, especially when considering storing the hydrogen, but it’s leaps and bounds better than just solar
And one if the few alternatives countries have to nuclear
dapper parcel
Loss of energy during generation/production is unavoidable, it's just thermodynamics at work
spring briar
It’s really not as big a deal if your country already has nuclear power
And combined solar/wind/electrification plants are perfect to put on polluted soil during clean up
dapper parcel
it isn't a big deal for anything really. You just need to take every sources in the equation if you want fair comparison
spring briar
Something that is often overlooked is the subsidies
Depending on what country it is in
Those can be the deal maker or breaker
dapper parcel
It's just that easy to misled by selectively using numbers sadly
A lot of "green" energy doesn't pass sanity check once you look at total system cost/impact
spring briar
especially when you don't look beyond the 1st scope of said project
the pollution that comes from the cement or solar panels you use in such a project etc.
a lot of companies simply look at their own project in a vacuum which misleads the public
atleast it's not as bad as "plastic recycling"
shrewd pecan
went down a rabbit hole of New York Times articles on the F-14
interesting how much its price inflated over the years
1969 they were expecting the platform to cost around 10 million per, by 1975 that inflated to 20 million dollars a plane
https://www.nytimes.com/1975/09/22/archives/price-rise-called-setback-for-f14-prospects-held-weakened-for.html
by 1988 the F-14D were going for about 74 million per or about 180 million per
so more expensive adjusted for inflation than a new built F-35A
hell its more expensive than a F-22A going by the 2011 cost for the F-22A
honestly makes me wonder why people fanboy the F-14 as much as they do when trying to compare it to the F-35 or other modern platforms
spring briar
top gun
dapper parcel
It's much easier to fanboy over single supercapable thing than say other thing with better cost benefit ratio
maiden citrus
people cared less about cost at the time, just that it was better than anything else
shrewd pecan
fair tho the aircraft was never really worth its cost
like the F-14A was kinda lackluster performance wise in a lot of ways
and later on the F-14 fleet notably was overshadowed by its competitors
its draw backs during the gulf war did prevent it from really engaging in actual air to air combat in that conflict
suppose it got proper BVR combat in Iran-Iraq but it didn't really have anything really capable of BVR going against it
jovial elm
Here you go peeps, A poem for the Grand old Lady of the royal navy:
You say you have no subject
And your brushes all have dried;
But come to Marazion
At the ebbing of the tide.
And look you out to seaward,
Where my Lady battle scarred
Hugs the rock that is more welcome,
Than the shameful breakers yard.
Paint her there upon the sunset
In her glory and despair,
With the diadem of victory
Still in flower upon her hair.
Let her whisper as she settles
Of her blooding long ago,
In the mist than mingles Jutland
With the might of Scapa Flow.
Let her tell you, too, of Narvik
With its snowy hills, and then
Of Matapan, Salerno
And the shoals of Walcheren;
And finally of Malta,
When along the purple street
Came in trail the Roman Navy
To surrender at her feet.
Of all these honours conscious,
How could she bear to be
Delivered to the spoiler
Or severed from the sea ?
So hasten then and paint her
In the last flush of her pride
On the rocks of Marazion,
At the ebbing of the tide.
-Lieutenant-Commander R.A.B. Mitchell
spring briar
subtle prawn
desert agate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61505857
Holy fuck hurry up and die already
remote monolith
Holy fuck hurry up and die already
we'll meet Vulcans and form the Federation well before the Queen dies I'm afraid
remote monolith
she'll sit eternally on the Golden Throne
sustained by the collective psyche of the British
desert agate
What
desert agate
I'd say involuntarily but she survived the referendum in the 90s
remote monolith
should have gone for the head
spiral cedar
:guillotine:
eternal veldt
Todd, that's just going to inspire another spinoff QE Manga or something
I forgot what the name is, but it's Marie Antoinette getting extremely swole
https://mangadex.org/title/4ca469a9-65f3-462e-9155-f067145cefa8/power-antoinette
There it is, thanks jaba
she destroys the scaffold with her incredible muscles, wielding the very guillotine blade that was to take her head as a weapon!
dapper parcel
manic latch
ivory ridge
Most advanced russian navy ship
spring briar
Least opinionated Italian
spring briar
Increased splinter damage
dusty kraken
controls can't be sabotaged if there's simply no controls
manic latch
Most advanced russian navy ship
But that's...Belfast 
manic latch
Welp I am fine Belfast being Russian
spring briar
Least opinionated Italian 
ivory ridge
I was joking 
manic latch
spring briar
delicate beacon
But Belfast is Dutch 
manic latch
spring briar
Canarias’ turret?
spring briar
Why are you posting that
delicate beacon
Because it's a momentous occasion.
It's not often you get to see her without the fire.
ivory ridge
Why are you posting that
because i found it on reddit
delicate beacon
Need to find a cooler 12cm mount.
solid mango
Is dis scaling of the guns correct (+ context as to why)
ivory ridge
delicate beacon
Scaling looks correct?
I keep my scale consistantly 1px=2cm so I don't usually have scaling problems anymore.
solid mango
Ngl should do that too 
delicate beacon
Not sure if the scale I work with is that great, since my canvas usually ends up 15k pixels wide (for 300m max length) and all kinds of blueprints are scaled to this res making it excessively large.
solid mango
Oh i see 
delicate beacon
You just have to be consistent though
solid mango
Ill continue these cursed ships tmr cause too lazy now
manic latch
Why are you posting that
Undef has secret love for Russian ships
But he is acting like tsundere about them
manic latch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LxLSzzrplw
spring briar
tough quail
what up lads ive had less than four hours of sleep
tough quail
my brain is always eviscerated
vae just got me to get up at fuck in the morning for f1 free practice
spring briar
sounds fun tho
delicate beacon
tough quail
well im excited to see how fucking jank aston martins car is after near 1:1 copying red bull's because their current one sucked absolute dick but without changing the front end at all
and tumbling them into ultra aero hell
spring briar
I'm not excited
and I just can hide it
I'm not about to lose control
and I strongly dislike it
manic latch
No
If it was up to the time itself no content before Soyuz event would be necessary
But with events like this it brings me new equipment and ships to build better fleets
Thus better equipments for Soyuz
tough quail
i said it before, she's waiting with new mex and the qe refit in that cool DE event coming up
manic latch
manic latch
Making her lvl 125, oath and 200 affinity, putting her strongest equipments at +13, putting her special dorm with best xp boosting foods, making her secretary, max limit breaking her
And then putting her into NP fleet
And buying all her skins of course
Then my purpose will be complete. But because we can't desire what we already have, new desire would be her getting an oath skin
tough quail
im too sleepy so it doesn't register
spring briar
in all honesty tho, chasing your dreams is good
tough quail
i can barely feel where my hands are
manic latch
spring briar
my lungs hurt
tough quail
the issue i have with soyuz atm is you can do the funny russian flag hair meme with ruskie backliners but if they put on soyuz i'd have to replace rossiya to keep that going and that physically hurts me
my poor girl, forever cursed to be kind of stinky
manic latch
tough quail
and also weirdly similar to littorio despite being closer to MP irl
manic latch
and also weirdly similar to littorio despite being closer to MP irl
Well MP is larger Littorio somewhat
tough quail
it probably helps they werent too far apart in release date
delicate beacon
https://tenor.com/view/pomu-pomu-rainpuff-angry-malding-evil-gif-24192768
Richie vtuber 
tough quail
there she goes
is Parizhskaya Kommuna gonna have a ghetto iris outfit
da yes ver french
spring briar
tough quail
excellent
ivory ridge
tough quail
i
..
excuse me?
aren't they still fapping around in the early superdread kiddie pool
ivory ridge
gaijin on its way to pull a hyuuga once more
add repulse/kongo before the ship armed with more of the same guns?
noo
Hyuuga and hood first
tough quail
ah yes lets add a 46k battlecruiser
ivory ridge
aren't they still fapping around in the early superdread kiddie pool
The US has Arizona, germany has scharn
tough quail
lmfao
ivory ridge
italy is stuck with just Dante 
ivory ridge
russia has the same 4x3 305 ship thrice
tough quail
da
ivory ridge
japan has hyuuga
ivory ridge
i mean there are rumours that we are getting cavour this patch but
yeah
a dante with one more gun
vs hood
tough quail
it's like dropping in a T-44-100 when everyone else is dicking around with PzIVs, cromwells and shermans
manic latch
Her only weakness is AA
gilded girder
Mfs rly gon pit Hood against Scharn 😭😭
gilded girder
Based?
delicate beacon
Mfs rly gon pit Hood against Scharn 😭😭
It's fine. Both are just battlecruisers.
ivory ridge
manic latch
Got 4? 533mm torps as well
Well Hood was in the leaks. Means Bismarck or Tirpitz will soon pop out as well
tough quail
get hyped for the eighteen fucktrillion clips of hood getting whacked in the mags
doiihhohiohohi rheinubung ecks deeeeee hood go kablams
the combined deaths of nearly four thousand british and german sailors is quite lol XD
gilded girder
😐
ivory ridge
video in italian but it's very cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1e-8RxaQ38
tough quail
jesus christ i didnt realize how huge they are
tough quail
you're so tall centauro 2
tough quail
which is the berate women button
somber knoll
I feel the urge to eat ramen rn.
fierce sparrow
oh my! Japanology...
manic latch
doiihhohiohohi rheinubung ecks deeeeee hood go kablams
I kinda feel bringing Shima will be better the more Big BBs appear
It's a fast 15km torp with 1000kg explosive
Wonder if one is enough for Hood
eternal veldt
Can we get the meme that is Shimakaze's boilers exploding (indirectly) from 12.7mm MG fire yet?
manic latch
somber knoll
<:HoodSip:588629683977977857> oh my! Japanology...
the good old days
delicate beacon
What the actual fuck are they thinking
spoiler: ||no||
delicate beacon
No wows does
The surprise is that this gal is out of the other current ships's league.
manic latch
What the actual fuck are they thinking
Scharnhorst bullying
She deserves it
Will be interesting to see Arizona vs Hood tho
dusty kraken
how is it even a gamer vehicle when it doesn't even have a hotkey for the n-word
alpine onyx
